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Speaker 1: everybody here on a Monday edition of Talking Cowboys here
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Speaker 1: As we've got plenty to break down. Just one more
Speaker 1: preseason game on the docket for the twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. We've got three in the books. All three
Speaker 1: have been losses, and we're gonna talk about that coming
Speaker 1: up here just a couple of moments. So glad you're
Speaker 1: with us on Talking Cowboys alongside professional football analysts, heck
Speaker 1: My Harrison, we've got resident Super Bowl champion Isaiah stand
Speaker 1: back in, the Great Rob Phillips, Cowboys insider, I'm Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's and gentlemen, well let's go. Let's take a step
Speaker 1: back for a little bit. The Great Rob he Oh,
Speaker 1: of course, that's the Great let's take a step back. You.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, I'm sorry your allergies acted up to you.
Speaker 1: I had the double back crop. I thought my allergies
Speaker 1: were tripping you double back. It was a little dusty,
Speaker 1: it was a little yeah. Yeah, the Heppo filter not
Speaker 1: working at great in my house apparently. No, you did
Speaker 1: a great job right out with we're of course talking
Speaker 1: about the Darren Woodson documentary that we alluded to on Thursday,
Speaker 1: A Path to Safety the Deep Blue. Rob Phillips was
Speaker 1: a huge hand and putting that together. Great shout out
Speaker 1: to Mats as well as a fantastic job. Darren loved it, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what he said to you, Yeah, he said,
Speaker 1: he told Nick he really enjoyed it. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: Keith Tucker, his best friend who's featured that part, reached out.
Speaker 1: I think he enjoyed it. So that's that's always important.
Speaker 1: You want to make sure that Isaiah and I were
Speaker 1: just talking. You don't want to disrespect anybody, you want
Speaker 1: to misrepresent anybody's life. That's that's something you really take seriously.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad. I hope people watch it, hope people
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Up there. Yeah, if you if you missed
Speaker 1: it on Saturday. You can go watch it right now
Speaker 1: on demand. It's on Dallas Cowboys dot com. You can
Speaker 1: go find it there in the video section. It's also
Speaker 1: on YouTube correct, Yeah, on YouTube, Facebook, the website, anywhere
Speaker 1: you want to go check it out. So plenty of
Speaker 1: plenty of places. The Cowboys now app as well, which
Speaker 1: you can download on your fire, your Broku. You can
Speaker 1: watch it on the TV screen like you would any
Speaker 1: other documentary, and it really is worth your time. It
Speaker 1: is fantastic, very well done. Again Rob Phillips on that
Speaker 1: and everybody that was involved with the Path to Safety.
Speaker 1: Got a couple more I think one more documentary that's
Speaker 1: coming out in the next week or two weeks or so.
Speaker 1: Two more. Two more. Yeah, So there's one over Draft Stories.
Speaker 1: It's called War Stories and it's about like inside Draft News. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really really cool. I got this very cool sneak peek
Speaker 1: at that trailer. Man that's it's the guy that's really cool.
Speaker 1: That is sick. Yeah, I heard it was and sultry. Actually,
Speaker 1: who who might that be? I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Just check it out in two weeks. Sound good, We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to get it We're in a box and
Speaker 1: like two weeks from the from the podcast, you give
Speaker 1: Heckma mad props for what his voice sounds like on
Speaker 1: the documentary. Um, what's the other one that's coming out?
Speaker 1: Jesse Holly, Right, Yeah, which some really cool that's really cool,
Speaker 1: cool life and career story for him too, sounds really cool.
Speaker 1: Two already out, we had The Path to Safety and
Speaker 1: then also the Drew Pearson documentary, which is such awesome,
Speaker 1: super fantastic, So lots to catch up on. If you
Speaker 1: want to binge Dallas Cowboys, you can watch Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You can see our interview with Darren Woodson that was
Speaker 1: last Thursday. But let's talk about going on what we
Speaker 1: saw binge watching wise on Saturday, and that was the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the Houston Texans. Is the Cowboys fall twenty
Speaker 1: to fourteen? There? Now oh and three? In the preseason, Rob,
Speaker 1: you would like to get a couple of wins, you
Speaker 1: really would just to kind of get the ball rolling.
Speaker 1: Is there any concern about just, you know, the wheels
Speaker 1: falling off, even though it's not even the preseason, not
Speaker 1: really wheels falling off. That's a little dramatic, that's doomsday sounding,
Speaker 1: but they haven't won a preseason game. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: is there any worry about what's going on right now? No? No,
Speaker 1: not for me. I mean, Dak hasn't played. He hasn't
Speaker 1: he hasn't had a chance to get in there and
Speaker 1: give him a touchdown drive. You would hope Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: now leads the quarterbacks in terms of touchdown passes in
Speaker 1: preseason with two on Saturday Night. And we had a
Speaker 1: discussion about the backup quarterback situation the other day, and
Speaker 1: I think, and I brought it up to I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, there's still some questions on the offense in
Speaker 1: terms of your backup quarterback, who's your backup quarterback, who's
Speaker 1: your swing tackle, who's your backup center. I don't know
Speaker 1: if those have been fully all fully addressed. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think your backup center is probably Connor Williams and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to live with some growing pains there.
Speaker 1: But those other two positions, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: answer is yet. And backup quarterback got more interesting coming
Speaker 1: out of Saturday Night. Definitely did Garrick Hilbert win three
Speaker 1: of five? He saw what one? Two series? I guess
Speaker 1: two series series? My goodness, Yeah, I mean he was
Speaker 1: in there quick. Is that? Is that something to take
Speaker 1: note in Isaiah absolutely, especially in a quote unquote dress rehearsing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got snatched out the game. He's gonna say it
Speaker 1: just as about as blatantly as we can say. I think, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: he got snatched because he got hook That was not
Speaker 1: that was that straight saying man, you know, a night
Speaker 1: at the Apolo, get off the stage because you're messing
Speaker 1: up um, and we're not about to sting up this
Speaker 1: whole game. So there's there's a thing to it. You know,
Speaker 1: you kind of alluded to it very beginning there. You know,
Speaker 1: things were kind of getting off the rails there for
Speaker 1: a second. It was ugly, and you know in that
Speaker 1: game three in the preseason, the most important preseason game.
Speaker 1: I think we talked about that last week as well.
Speaker 1: So you can't afford to let this thing get off
Speaker 1: the rails in the preseason game early. You just can't
Speaker 1: because then you're gonna have four quarters of just bad football.
Speaker 1: So they got them about it there relatively quickly, and
Speaker 1: they got it back on the rails when rush came
Speaker 1: in a game. Mike McCarthy said he was asked that question,
Speaker 1: did you take him out sooner than you planned? And
Speaker 1: he said, we wanted to balance out the reps with
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush. So that's that's the head coaches. But the
Speaker 1: thing about it is, to your point, it's like, has
Speaker 1: this felt like a real backup competition within the roster
Speaker 1: until Saturday night? Not not so much. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's more Garrett Gilbert competing against anybody else that might
Speaker 1: come available. And you know, and Cooper Rush has played
Speaker 1: pretty well, but every first team rep has gone to
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert. Absolutely, yeah, there really hasn't been any fluctuation.
Speaker 1: Do you guys feel that that change this week? I
Speaker 1: think so. I think I think it definitely that you
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah. I really felt bad for Garrett Gilbert,
Speaker 1: like you said, getting the hook, and I think it
Speaker 1: was a sack that did it for him, and he
Speaker 1: was patting that ball and just didn't have any pocket awareness.
Speaker 1: And absolutely absolutely, And you've also pointed out, you know,
Speaker 1: the way that the receivers interact with him and knowing
Speaker 1: whether the ball is gonna get completed or not. But
Speaker 1: I thought that when Cooper, when Rush came in, things
Speaker 1: like you said, gout back on the rails and you
Speaker 1: saw the offense move more efficiently. I was really happy
Speaker 1: to see Kelly Moore's offense work and click the way
Speaker 1: that it did. Ralston guys like that at the fullback.
Speaker 1: I love this guy. He's gonna be my favorite. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you right now if he makes the team. I
Speaker 1: just love what they bringing the fullback into play. It's
Speaker 1: like a lost art, right. But the things that we've
Speaker 1: been talking about, red zone efficiency and things like that,
Speaker 1: we saw Kelly Moore put together a few drives and
Speaker 1: that was all Rush doing that. So and I I
Speaker 1: wrote about it during the OTA's about this position. Was
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert's to lou Well, if you're doing the underwear
Speaker 1: Olympics and you don't have to worry about pressure and
Speaker 1: you can just let that thing rip. He did a
Speaker 1: really good job of that. But the clock is just
Speaker 1: not going off in his head. He's patting the ball
Speaker 1: and to that point, heck, some of the things that
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert was struggling with right in terms of holding
Speaker 1: onto the ball, in terms of getting to his reads
Speaker 1: and making quick decisions, Rush came in and had I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a direct comparison. Now he had the same
Speaker 1: situations where nobody was open. There was a quote unquote coverage, sacks, sacks,
Speaker 1: and Rush took off right, got a first down, slid,
Speaker 1: get whatever the artists you can pop up and get
Speaker 1: back in the huddle, right, getting to your first second,
Speaker 1: third read sometimes right, making those quick decisions whenever you know,
Speaker 1: I said, of throwing the ball back and across coverage,
Speaker 1: what did Rush do? He came in and threw the
Speaker 1: ball away right. He had those opportunities to make those
Speaker 1: same mistakes that Gilbert was making. Now, whether it had
Speaker 1: been he had an opportunity to see that right live
Speaker 1: and in in action to say, when I get him opportunity,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do the same thing, or he
Speaker 1: just naturally was making better decisions. Either way, instinctively, he
Speaker 1: was doing better than Gilbert was. And I think that
Speaker 1: was a direct comparison from the time that Gilbert left
Speaker 1: the games the time Rush came in. What is that?
Speaker 1: What is the hesitancy that you're seeing with Gilbert not
Speaker 1: trusting what he's saying, because you know in the in
Speaker 1: the NFL, those windows are very small, and most quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are throwing guys open, waiting for them to be If
Speaker 1: there's an anticipation. So yeah, so what you're touching base
Speaker 1: on right now is a quarterback. You can't wait in
Speaker 1: this league. You can't wait till somebody is actually open.
Speaker 1: You can't wait Heckman Harrison's running around, He's running a
Speaker 1: ten yard out route. I can't wait for Heckma to
Speaker 1: put his right foot in the ground and plan to
Speaker 1: go open up to the left side, and then wait
Speaker 1: from him to turn his head look at me, show
Speaker 1: his hands and say hey, I want the ball, because
Speaker 1: that when by the time I release the ball to
Speaker 1: the time and gets in your hands, that window has closed.
Speaker 1: So what am I doing. I am anticipating that you're
Speaker 1: going to be open. I see your leverage on the
Speaker 1: on the defensive back or whatever it may be, and
Speaker 1: I know that you're going to be open. And I
Speaker 1: trust that because we have that symmetry where I'm gonna
Speaker 1: release the ball, you come out, your break ball is
Speaker 1: going to be there on time. Boom. That's not happening
Speaker 1: with Gary Gilbert. He's questioning that, whether that's his relationship
Speaker 1: with the receivers, whether that's a timing thing, or whether
Speaker 1: he's just waiting for literally somebody just to come wide open.
Speaker 1: Either way, it's not working out for him, and and
Speaker 1: that's okay because that's what happens in a preseason. However,
Speaker 1: you have to turn it up and say, guess what,
Speaker 1: I can't throw the ball right now, run on that ball.
Speaker 1: And where he got strip sacked right there, he had
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty yards of open space in front of him.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're Tom Brady, go run with them,
Speaker 1: gimpy legs or whatever you got. And then they left
Speaker 1: in the tank, So go get you some yards, right
Speaker 1: he go get you some yards. So that's all the
Speaker 1: coaches want to see is make you see you make
Speaker 1: good informed decisions. It doesn't matter if it's a big play,
Speaker 1: move the chains. That has happened a couple of times
Speaker 1: in the red zone in the first couple of games
Speaker 1: as well. And usually what you just said, like you
Speaker 1: see it with younger quarterbacks, and he hasn't played a
Speaker 1: lot in the NFL, but he's been around a while.
Speaker 1: I think you see it with the Nucci where you
Speaker 1: know he's not he's not trusting what he sees fast enough.
Speaker 1: And that's normal for a young quarterback. But and obviously
Speaker 1: he struggling the game with every interceptions and their polar opposites, right,
Speaker 1: So Gary Gilbert holds the ball forever and the Nucci
Speaker 1: just throws it up right sometimes, so trying to make something.
Speaker 1: He's just trying to make something happen. So they're they're
Speaker 1: polar opposites as well. So it's kind of the economy
Speaker 1: of these guys. It's kind of crazy because you got
Speaker 1: the two extremes and you got Russia. He kind of
Speaker 1: comes in the middle and just like, that's what you're
Speaker 1: doing wrong, that's what you're doing around. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: playing in the middle right in position myself strategically to
Speaker 1: see how this thing shakes down. I thought he looked
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush looked like a guy that's been in Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore system for four years. He had stopped with the Giants.
Speaker 1: But other than that, he's he just looks like he's
Speaker 1: got command of the systems comfort. A fan actually tweeted
Speaker 1: at me a couple of weeks ago or a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago, and said, if you put if you
Speaker 1: combine Cooper Rush's skill set with what the Nucci does,
Speaker 1: well like that might be your number two quarterback because
Speaker 1: Ducie's got the arm talent, you know, but Cooper seems
Speaker 1: maybe most comfortable with all the three guys with the offense.
Speaker 1: But we'll see. And they responded to him, but has
Speaker 1: has your stance changed on the backup quarterback being on
Speaker 1: this ross? No, okay, no backup quarterbacks in my eyes
Speaker 1: is still not on his rost. And I still think
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys need to And I know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want get it put me in the principals suce.
Speaker 1: I'm not a GM. However, my suggestion would be, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to make a big trade. You're going to
Speaker 1: have to make a big trade this week before before
Speaker 1: the preseason game. I don't know that the Cowboys know
Speaker 1: this for sure. I don't think they do for certain.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mike was asked after the game if he
Speaker 1: wrote about this, has he seen enough evidence that Gilbert
Speaker 1: or Rush will be the number two guy? Clarence Hill
Speaker 1: asked that question. He said, well, we have one more
Speaker 1: week and we're gonna need it. That's why that was
Speaker 1: his answer. So, I mean, look, I mean, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have made no secret to you guys point like they're
Speaker 1: going to keep their options open. They worked out two
Speaker 1: guys in the offseason. They're not married to the backup
Speaker 1: quarterback situation. The problem is who's out there? What can
Speaker 1: you fit under the cap? All that stuff? But Pete,
Speaker 1: when you paid account of money that you paid a
Speaker 1: number one guy, you don't want to hear anything about
Speaker 1: Well here we are talking about the number two, but
Speaker 1: you just the number one guy. Yeah, but you have
Speaker 1: you got to prepare yourself for the worst case scenario
Speaker 1: because last year was the worst case scenario. So if
Speaker 1: you go into this year again underneath those same Now,
Speaker 1: last year was a dog on F five tornado. Everything happened.
Speaker 1: Not only was in the bad storm, but the whole
Speaker 1: dog on town got wiped out. Right. But that's the
Speaker 1: thing is, if it wasn't a tornado, if it wasn't
Speaker 1: everything in front of the quarterback got wiped out along
Speaker 1: with the corn, you would have felt okay with Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton at the helm was Yes, every I think everybody did.
Speaker 1: But everything went wrong about Everythinge was not a good
Speaker 1: look regardless. I kind of want to go back to
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush. You want to add something real quick? No,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this the other day. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: I'll save it. It's kind of okay, It's a little winding. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll save it for a second, but I want to
Speaker 1: go back to Cooper Rush because we're talking about the confidence,
Speaker 1: the comfortableness of what he was able to do in
Speaker 1: Calamore's offense. I've seen it, I think over the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and Rob you could probably attest to
Speaker 1: this that has grown exponentially and visibly from Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: ever since day one at Oxnard until this point. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have seen the confidence continue to grow because he
Speaker 1: came in did look great at the beginning, and now
Speaker 1: he has since then kind of taken every step along
Speaker 1: the way to get back to where he was I
Speaker 1: think before he even went before he was not on
Speaker 1: the roster anymore. Do you see that same kind of
Speaker 1: deal with Cooper Rush and the confidence that's continuing to grow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I asked him after the game about his comfort
Speaker 1: level in Kellen's offense. He definitely has that. And the
Speaker 1: other thing too, is I forgot that he had a
Speaker 1: couple things injury wise that he's been dealing with since
Speaker 1: they got to Oxnard. He had up some back spasms
Speaker 1: early and he had a shoulder thing that came out
Speaker 1: of the Canton game. So he's been a little banged up,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's a matter of being healthy, you know,
Speaker 1: because he let me say this, I will say, Garrett Gilbert,
Speaker 1: over the last month and you've seen it, you're out there,
Speaker 1: he's had some good practices, he's done well, he's had
Speaker 1: some good stretches where he's played well. And that number
Speaker 1: one offense deal. But is it enough? You know, it
Speaker 1: is enough for them to stop looking. Cooper Rush looked
Speaker 1: like the number two quarterback on Saturday Night based on production.
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush played like someone that knew his job was
Speaker 1: on the line, you know. I mean, these guys are
Speaker 1: not blind to the fact that if we don't get
Speaker 1: this done, this game or the nixt I don't put
Speaker 1: enough on tape, I may not be here. The Cowboys are,
Speaker 1: They're gonna get this number two guy with or without me.
Speaker 1: I would rather it be with And he played like that.
Speaker 1: He had the offense moving like that. He I mean,
Speaker 1: and the one thing that he didn't do didn't turn
Speaker 1: over the ball, didn't make costly mistakes. And that's the
Speaker 1: thing from an organizational standpoint that you want to see
Speaker 1: just don't lose it for us. I mean, we want
Speaker 1: you to make plays, but and be the proverbial bus driver?
Speaker 1: Can you do that? If we have our full litany
Speaker 1: of guys here, can you bust drive us to a victory?
Speaker 1: Because that's all you want from your number two quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: If you guys were wearing your GM hats right now,
Speaker 1: what move would you do? Would you stay with one
Speaker 1: of these guys or are you going out and trying
Speaker 1: to make a big trade? I would trade. I think
Speaker 1: I'm on your boat from what I think you're definitely
Speaker 1: looking around to see what you can do to potentially upgrade.
Speaker 1: I think you have to do that. The closer you
Speaker 1: get to these last cuts, you're starting to see more
Speaker 1: teams need quarterbacks. Sure, so like you're you're your window
Speaker 1: of opportunity as we talking about wind those right, window
Speaker 1: opportunity is really dwindling right in terms of the level
Speaker 1: of competition that you're gonna have for those remaining quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: there's only a handful of them out there that are
Speaker 1: probably realistically attainable. What are you going to do? That's
Speaker 1: the part that scares me though, because if indeed there
Speaker 1: is a higher price or excuse me, a higher need
Speaker 1: on the quarterbacks, there will be a higher price. You're
Speaker 1: gonna see premiums paid out for backup quarterbacks because there
Speaker 1: are teams that have stashed them. There are teams with
Speaker 1: multiple backup quarterbacks. I mean, look at the Bills, look
Speaker 1: at the Bears. I mean there are multiple teams that
Speaker 1: could they could say, all right, come on, give me
Speaker 1: your best offer. Let's figure this out. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much the Cowboys would have to offer without giving
Speaker 1: up some kind of comfortable level elsewhere. That's my biggest
Speaker 1: It comes backups are not at a premium. And when
Speaker 1: you talk about a backup quarterback is though. But you
Speaker 1: talk about teams like Chicago, let's say San Francisco, they
Speaker 1: have two young quarterbacks that are kind of making headway
Speaker 1: in the preseason. Do you it is the future now
Speaker 1: for those teams? And you start and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say any names and get in trouble, but I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: there's those situations where teams like the Cowboys, would you know,
Speaker 1: go and say, look, we want to present this trade
Speaker 1: for you're a guy vice versa. Are those teams knowing
Speaker 1: that you're in a desperate situation? Are they hoarding those
Speaker 1: because we want to bleed you as dry. The answer,
Speaker 1: the answer is yes, And I think the perfect scenario
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys obviously is analyzing their roster and seeing
Speaker 1: where are we deepest? Right, where are we deepest? And
Speaker 1: hopefully we're we're deepest. That's the same area that that
Speaker 1: this team that has backup. I think that question, I
Speaker 1: think we think. I think we have the most competition
Speaker 1: at the defensive back right now. I think that's where
Speaker 1: it runs to mean you're deepest though in terms of
Speaker 1: competition level, Yes, because I think we have the most
Speaker 1: talented in terms of depth. Right, if we have one
Speaker 1: one first, bring our second stream go down, do we
Speaker 1: still have guys that we feel we can play with?
Speaker 1: An answer is yes. You don't have that top guy,
Speaker 1: that top as, you don't have a you don't have
Speaker 1: a bunch of absolutely right, you don't have all pro whatever.
Speaker 1: But if you have, you have some very competitive guys
Speaker 1: that'll go three D easily. Right. So I think you're
Speaker 1: hoping that one of those teams that have a three
Speaker 1: deep quarterback situation needs that same position that you're deep
Speaker 1: in because you're now in a position to deal one
Speaker 1: of those guys to fit their need while they fit
Speaker 1: your need and that takes them the advantage of way.
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say about this, and I'll
Speaker 1: pass it to you, Rob, is if you're trying to
Speaker 1: go get let's let's just throw Andy Dalton. I know
Speaker 1: I can't even say specific games. Let's just say you're
Speaker 1: gonna go try and get a quarterback. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: trade a Jordan Lewis or Anthony Brown for a starting
Speaker 1: I guess depend backup quarterback depends on where your number
Speaker 1: one is, and we don't know that. We don't know
Speaker 1: the extent of that. If it is, well a month thing,
Speaker 1: then you that's what you said, Well you're talking about
Speaker 1: about this before. Then you see a drastic move like that,
Speaker 1: and that'll tell you everything you need to know. And
Speaker 1: they've done that. I mean they've thrown draft picks at
Speaker 1: when Romo broke his collar own in twenty fifteen, they
Speaker 1: went got Matt Castle. They they'll throw a pick out
Speaker 1: there and you can do that. Now, what did that take?
Speaker 1: Do you remember? Oh, it was like a fifth maybe
Speaker 1: Matt waspsing seventh or something like that. But there's there's
Speaker 1: teams calling I'm seeing there's teams calling for office Ave Lineman.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so, I mean, you know, it really just
Speaker 1: depends on the needs of the team that you're talking to.
Speaker 1: You just hope that if you are going to make
Speaker 1: that move, that they are in a need of a
Speaker 1: position that you're willing to do. I do think it's
Speaker 1: to your point, had because you kind of let me
Speaker 1: where I was going. It's important to kind of bring
Speaker 1: it back to QB one and just just clear it
Speaker 1: that every he's okay. Every he's fine. He went through
Speaker 1: his pregame throwing session. It was fifty something throws. That's
Speaker 1: what they wanted to fifty two. He looked really good.
Speaker 1: No issues everything we've heard, no issues. I know there's
Speaker 1: been reports out there suggesting he I don't get what
Speaker 1: what was that about. I didn't really hear about it
Speaker 1: till I got to the stadium. It was was it
Speaker 1: esp in? Was it a rapper? Poor thing? Why does
Speaker 1: he do that? Man? He drops a bump. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if it was like an official like source report.
Speaker 1: They have said something some screenshot. Are you talking about
Speaker 1: dan Quinn? Sorry I was reading up. No, I'm saying
Speaker 1: this is something maybe Adam Schefter had said about Dak
Speaker 1: conversation and he got picked up. He may not be
Speaker 1: ready for the first game. He may not be one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, But I mean I agreed with this with
Speaker 1: his statement, Well, I didn't disagree with this statement. His
Speaker 1: statement was alluding to what we've talked about in the past.
Speaker 1: Not only now is he dealing with trying to come
Speaker 1: back from an ankle, but now he's dealing with overcoming
Speaker 1: a shoulder. So did he did he ever get to
Speaker 1: one hundred percent? I think was a chef's question, like,
Speaker 1: is he did he ever even have a chance to
Speaker 1: get to one hundred percent? So if you've never even
Speaker 1: had a chance to get to one hundred percent from
Speaker 1: the ankle because he had to deal with the shoulder. Now,
Speaker 1: is he ready going into the season? Is he had
Speaker 1: one hundred percent going into the season? That is he ready?
Speaker 1: Is he one hundred percent? I think the ankle's good.
Speaker 1: I know the ankle's good. I think he's in good
Speaker 1: shape with where the shoulder is. Right now. It sounds
Speaker 1: like he's going to more of this week in practice,
Speaker 1: not gonna play in this game Sunday. They're just gonna
Speaker 1: get him ready for the opener. I think that this
Speaker 1: discussion is more about the importance of having that depth
Speaker 1: because you mentioned Andy Dalton, like, and this is where
Speaker 1: I was going earlier, is I think some fans say, well,
Speaker 1: if if that goes down, you're screwed anyway, right, and
Speaker 1: you're not gonna win the super Bowl. But I think
Speaker 1: the counterpoint that is, like two thousand and eight, Romo
Speaker 1: breaks his pinky finger in Arizona, misses three games. They
Speaker 1: just needed three games out of their backup quarterback to
Speaker 1: just kind of keep them afloat, and they lost two
Speaker 1: or three and they lost the last week of the
Speaker 1: season when Romo and they got blown out by Philly
Speaker 1: and missed the playoffs in a year that they were
Speaker 1: supposed to be contending for the Super Bowl. You bring
Speaker 1: them back fan trauma right now. I'm sorry, that is
Speaker 1: like Silver Linings playbook forty four to six game and like,
Speaker 1: but that's that's what you That's why you got to
Speaker 1: feel good about your backup quarterback is even hopefully it's
Speaker 1: not the last that's eleven weeks like Dak last year,
Speaker 1: but maybe it's three games that maybe something pops up
Speaker 1: and you got to make sure in a tight division race,
Speaker 1: you're okay. You know, that's why it's important. But at
Speaker 1: one more thing about Cooper Rush. Okay, your point. He
Speaker 1: does look more comfortable and maybe the Cowboys must be
Speaker 1: seeing that for them to decide, Hey, let's even this
Speaker 1: out a little bit. Let's see him behind the first
Speaker 1: offensive line. You know that's they clearly have seen enough
Speaker 1: in practice to give him that opportunity. And that was
Speaker 1: a good sign. To see our just real quick, our ones.
Speaker 1: And to see Tyrn Smith, to see Lall Collins, We've
Speaker 1: seen him on preseason, but to see Zach Martin, just
Speaker 1: to see the full You know that those five guys together,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was important for them to get
Speaker 1: some run. And man, we just when they were in
Speaker 1: you could tell the difference in the offense the way
Speaker 1: they did it flow, not the turnal, not the turnal
Speaker 1: was and all the other stuff. So I've got a
Speaker 1: crazy hypothetical for you guys before we go to break.
Speaker 1: Oh I love the tea, so I'm gonna should I
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Speaker 1: next break. I've got a hypothetical around the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: We're gonna pick three weeks this season. I want you
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Speaker 1: telling you, dude, I'm just super sidetracked. I've had so
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Speaker 1: Wait now can we can we even do it anymore?
Speaker 1: Who was in the booth last week? That is a mute.
Speaker 1: You were there. You were there, and you talked and
Speaker 1: you made great points. There's there's only so much you
Speaker 1: can do. But yeah, Hey, the Cowboy's crew is on
Speaker 1: the ascension all the way through yea, hey, hey do
Speaker 1: you take that do Our whole crew is is elevating
Speaker 1: over here. You know what I'm saying. I heard you
Speaker 1: talk about you we threw over there yet you don't
Speaker 1: want to see us. Yeah, we haven't peaked yet. We're
Speaker 1: not even in that fight. It's it's a yeah. I
Speaker 1: would love that if that happen, If if Chris just
Speaker 1: got in our ear and said, don't have him come down,
Speaker 1: I would love it if we got him. Come on now,
Speaker 1: all right, So I've got three games that I've picked
Speaker 1: out on the Cowboys schedule. I'm gonna give you a
Speaker 1: bye week beforehand too, So bye week Week seven, and
Speaker 1: then weeks eight nine in ten at Minnesota and then
Speaker 1: at home against Denver at home against Atlanta. I want
Speaker 1: you to tell me to the record out of those
Speaker 1: three games if you had to keep the sale a liar,
Speaker 1: I guess the boat afloat. If you had to keep
Speaker 1: the boat afloat with a backup quarterback, something happens. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a three week deal for Dak Prescott. You're
Speaker 1: gonna tell us which quarterback? Yeah, and then you're gonna
Speaker 1: tell me what what the record would be? You want
Speaker 1: to start? Okay, Isaiah, I'm going one and two with
Speaker 1: all three? All three? But what with the first two quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: Nucci three? So it's it doesn't really matter either way.
Speaker 1: You're going one and one and two? So which one
Speaker 1: would be the win? It's Minnesota Denver is going to be.
Speaker 1: It's gonna have to be Atlanta. Okay, So that third week, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you would lose the first two and then the
Speaker 1: third week would be a win with Cooper Rush and
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert. Okay, let's do Cooper Rush, Rob. I think
Speaker 1: that's fair, like one and two. I mean, because like
Speaker 1: you're looking at the quarterback matchup right, We're talking Minnesota
Speaker 1: Denver in Atlanta. Well, Minnesota and Atlanta, Man, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's an edge at quarterback if Dak Prescott's not
Speaker 1: in there. So I mean, that's that's the most important position.
Speaker 1: I'd have to lean that way. Would you say, what
Speaker 1: about Ben d Nucci? For you? You know, I think
Speaker 1: it'd be hard pressed to win a game with with Ben.
Speaker 1: He's not I don't think he's ready to be in
Speaker 1: that position. I don't think that. I think he's got
Speaker 1: a chance to still be a quarterback in this league
Speaker 1: last night notwithstanding, but he's not competing to be the
Speaker 1: backup this year. He's competing for a spot to develop.
Speaker 1: You know, I look at it that way, and so
Speaker 1: we saw last year he wasn't ready. I don't think
Speaker 1: he'd be ready this year either. To be honest with you, Okay,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in Tostito's plasita right now right
Speaker 1: are you gonna go? I'm not gonna do that, but
Speaker 1: you know I would say, I'm right there with you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go one and two for Garrett Gilbert and
Speaker 1: I would you know, and close on that Denver game.
Speaker 1: I just think that Minnesota, I think they would they
Speaker 1: would confuse him defensively with all the tape that they
Speaker 1: have on him right now. So that's the reason why
Speaker 1: I'm saying that, But not that I think Denver is
Speaker 1: that much better. But Atlanta is a dumpster fire this
Speaker 1: year anyway. But one in two I'm gonna be one
Speaker 1: to two, and I just think the Nucci wouldn't have
Speaker 1: a chance at all. So it's it's it's the same
Speaker 1: thing as Isaiah wanted two for Rush and Gilbert. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: how do you feel? I actually agree completely? I don't
Speaker 1: know for the Nucci. I know you really love I
Speaker 1: loved his POTENTI and is the Nucci for me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like his added to I like his confidence. He
Speaker 1: has some confidence. Yeah, well maybe a little too much.
Speaker 1: But it's hard. It's true you do or nobody else.
Speaker 1: Let's talk. Let's talk about Nucci. Man here for a second. Um,
Speaker 1: that's a nice watch, Kyle, thank you? Are you trying
Speaker 1: to change the subject? Very nice? Thank you? Um, it's
Speaker 1: hiding a Watchtan right now? Um with Benda Nucci? Do
Speaker 1: you still like his potential? I like his potential, But
Speaker 1: I hate that word. I know you do hate. I
Speaker 1: hate that word because potential doesn't mean that you're actually
Speaker 1: going to attain it. It just means it. It's it's
Speaker 1: a possible. It's possible. Everybody has potential, So how does
Speaker 1: that distinguish you from anybody else in the world. You
Speaker 1: supposed to be the top one percent in the whole world.
Speaker 1: Outside of his potential, What is the value to this
Speaker 1: team right now for him? Practice squad? Okay, yeah, development
Speaker 1: what Rob was talking about. Yeah, can he get you
Speaker 1: a good look from a practice squad stand point? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, got to one thing Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy said after the game was using his legs. He's
Speaker 1: got that element of his game. They use some of
Speaker 1: that redraw stuff and he can do that and that
Speaker 1: helps you during the week, especially if depending on who
Speaker 1: you're matching up with. I think that's the best situation
Speaker 1: for him. I mean, I'd be surprised, honestly if they
Speaker 1: kept three quarters, these three quarterbacks, all three of them
Speaker 1: on the roster. I just think you could go heavier
Speaker 1: at another position. We talked about some of these other
Speaker 1: spots that they're pretty deep at. That's how I feel
Speaker 1: about it. He's definitely developing. He's fighting for, like you said,
Speaker 1: fighting for a spot on the practice squad to further
Speaker 1: develop his career as an NFL quarterback. I think he
Speaker 1: has potential. There's certain things, I mean, besides the three turnovers,
Speaker 1: which were awful turnovers. He did make some plays. He
Speaker 1: did make some throws where you zip some things in
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, that's a good throw. He kept the
Speaker 1: offense moving at certain points in the game. But just
Speaker 1: like every young quarterback, it's just an accident waiting to happen,
Speaker 1: and he fell victim to it. And you can't faught
Speaker 1: him or blame him. Every young quarterback goes through those
Speaker 1: young growing pains and he's not immune to him. You
Speaker 1: gotta think about this guy. His first start in the
Speaker 1: NFL was what Sunday night in Philadelphi was a Sunday
Speaker 1: Sunday night. And that's a rough that's a rough way
Speaker 1: to go, you know. And you know, luckily for him,
Speaker 1: And there's been so many comparisons stone around for like
Speaker 1: on the on the broadcast, you know, is he more romo?
Speaker 1: Is he far because the gunslinger mentality is always put
Speaker 1: the label that's put on young quarterbacks that just throw
Speaker 1: it all around the park. But you know, again, before
Speaker 1: you start putting all that out there discussion, it was
Speaker 1: quickly texted me that and I thought they were joking. No,
Speaker 1: I think babe, Babe kind of threw it out there,
Speaker 1: but you know, Moose kind of dusted a little water
Speaker 1: on it. I guess I could get it from the
Speaker 1: gun gunslinger standpoint. I guess right, because he does. I mean,
Speaker 1: he'll like As that said, he's not afraid to. I
Speaker 1: feel like he's a guy that once he settles down,
Speaker 1: once he settles down into a system, I feel like
Speaker 1: he would be a very confident player. Okay, I really do.
Speaker 1: I really feel like once he grasped the offense and
Speaker 1: once he has confidence in that system, timing all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff with his receivers, I feel like he would.
Speaker 1: I think he would. He would develop relatively quickly. When
Speaker 1: can he settle down though, because nobody knows that. I
Speaker 1: know nobody would know. But that's the thing is that's
Speaker 1: really discouraging to me, is because we saw it last
Speaker 1: year against Philadelphia, had to come in spot duty. Nobody
Speaker 1: blames him for the Philadelphia game. I don't think because
Speaker 1: it was a terrible situation. She had zero off season,
Speaker 1: your rookie quarterback. You're coming from a small school. The
Speaker 1: pace of play was just not there. For being the
Speaker 1: nude she last year, you expected to maybe see an
Speaker 1: uptick and that has there been an uptick. I don't
Speaker 1: think there has. I think, if anything, it's even kind
Speaker 1: of leveled off a little thing. I think more of
Speaker 1: what you're looking for is better decision making. And I
Speaker 1: think that's more so important than it is the physical
Speaker 1: right because his arm motion and that's not going to
Speaker 1: gonna change. It's just not it's too late in his
Speaker 1: in his life where that to change. So you deal
Speaker 1: with it. Um, he finds ways to create windows with
Speaker 1: his legs and all those other other all the other methods. However,
Speaker 1: his decision making doesn't seem to have improved. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look at his game. He went fourteen for nineteen
Speaker 1: with three interceptions, so he was really seventeen for nineteen, right,
Speaker 1: but he just three of those went to the Roman people.
Speaker 1: I mean fourteen for nineteen. If you took the interceptions away,
Speaker 1: fourteen for nineteen for one twenty, that's not bad. It's
Speaker 1: a pretty good that's not bad at all. Right, So
Speaker 1: it's it's the decision making. We're not talking about how
Speaker 1: he was, how he had a really good pass completion percentage.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the bad decisions that resulted in interceptions.
Speaker 1: So he has to figure out a way to take
Speaker 1: those off the table. If he takes those off the table,
Speaker 1: he improves his position on rosters. Well. He also then
Speaker 1: sent one touchdown, right, I mean in Arizona. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: he threw a touchdown pass in Arizona to the other team.
Speaker 1: He did, so he's got sound pass that's true. Truth.
Speaker 1: Dang it. Chris came in. There was a big six
Speaker 1: to Lonnie Johnson for those who haven't watched the game yet.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's where I stand. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm grilling you here, But you are the former quarterback
Speaker 1: at the table. But how do you teach the decision making?
Speaker 1: Can you teach decision making? Absolutely? I think he's learning that.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe that he's not learning how
Speaker 1: to make That's just decisions. It's just at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, he has to make the decision not
Speaker 1: to make that throw, you know. I mean like for
Speaker 1: a long time when I was playing quarterback, I had
Speaker 1: to make the decision not to try to make the
Speaker 1: big play in the field. It's like throw it away,
Speaker 1: Like that was a learning process for me, Like, no,
Speaker 1: I want to make a play. I'm looking for anybody
Speaker 1: and everybody. Heck, but go deep, go that way goes
Speaker 1: six yards. I don't care. I'm gonna throw it if
Speaker 1: I hit you, good, if I don't hit you. It's
Speaker 1: at least incompletion. He's not to the point where he
Speaker 1: can make it just incompletion. He's to the point where
Speaker 1: it's like big play or interception. He has to get
Speaker 1: to the point where it is either big play or
Speaker 1: guess what, maybe it's just throw it in the ground
Speaker 1: or just throw it away. And that takes a lot
Speaker 1: for you to get to that point. But there's gonna
Speaker 1: be one time where he does it in the game.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play that was easier to not thought why
Speaker 1: haven't done Why? Why haven't I done this the whole time?
Speaker 1: And when that clicks for him, I think he will
Speaker 1: start making huge jumps. Parcels called it impulse throws. Yea
Speaker 1: when when Romo And I'm not comparing him directly to
Speaker 1: Romo because Dave got me in trouble on Twitter. I
Speaker 1: quoted me, Yeah, Romo needed some time too, you know,
Speaker 1: And I wasn't. I was joking. I wasn't making a
Speaker 1: direct comparison. That's not fair to Bed. But he had
Speaker 1: that touchdown drive in Arizona. That was impressive. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah not Cooper Rush did it the other night,
Speaker 1: did it last night, uh, Saturday night and got away
Speaker 1: with it. An impulse throw that should have been picked off.
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert strown it into traffic at least twice in
Speaker 1: these three games. You could be around the league and still,
Speaker 1: you know, get yourself in trouble doing that. So for him,
Speaker 1: it is the decision making. It's seeing things faster, seeing
Speaker 1: the field developed faster. That's where Dak, I think to me,
Speaker 1: is really his game is just taken off because he's
Speaker 1: seen everything now, you know, and sometimes it takes just
Speaker 1: being on the field. You have to have the talent
Speaker 1: to do it as well. And I think for Ben too,
Speaker 1: like he's not the tallest quarterback and I think sometimes
Speaker 1: he's it looks like maybe he's struggling a little bit
Speaker 1: to see over things too. That's one that's a myth though.
Speaker 1: The whole Yeah, I know, so the whole scene, the
Speaker 1: seeing over the line thing, it's just not a it's
Speaker 1: not a thing because guys are looking at passing lane,
Speaker 1: you're looking through you're looking through lanes. So that's that's
Speaker 1: when the footwork comes into it. I think that's I mean,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's he's totally debunking everything that everybody's ever said
Speaker 1: about about the hype thing. Drew Brees is totally debunked it.
Speaker 1: You know, you go Alway, Doug Flute, everybody has Oh,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of you know, freaking um Wilson,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. I mean, these guys are not tall, um,
Speaker 1: so they're seeing you're seeing through lanes. It just really
Speaker 1: comes down to him, just hey, don't do that. Don't
Speaker 1: do that, young fella, Like, just just don't. It's not
Speaker 1: worth it. Throw it away. You have your legs, us
Speaker 1: your legs. Nobody's gonna yell at you for for running
Speaker 1: three yards and sliding death. That's much better than throwing
Speaker 1: the ball up in the air. But to PE's point,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what you had even alluded to before. It's
Speaker 1: just having the vision to see when a guy is
Speaker 1: going to be open, to throw him open, that maturity
Speaker 1: in his decision making process. He just hadn't got there.
Speaker 1: We hadn't seen him get to that point, and therefore
Speaker 1: that's why you're getting those errand throws. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: but like even myself as a young quarterback, I had
Speaker 1: to learn to sit in the pocket because when I
Speaker 1: wasn't confident with the timing and when I wasn't confident
Speaker 1: with you know, throwing to just sitting back there in
Speaker 1: the pocket, I took off. I was gone, right, I
Speaker 1: was gone, and I was considered a running quarterback. But
Speaker 1: I bet you what we were getting the first down.
Speaker 1: We weren't having a negative yardage. I wasn't throwing an interception.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, I think I have the lowest
Speaker 1: interception percentage of my school's history because I was not
Speaker 1: going to make a bad throw, you know, I did
Speaker 1: not want to do that. So I had to learn
Speaker 1: to sit back and trust my guys and throw the
Speaker 1: ball and guess what to throw the ball away, and
Speaker 1: not try to run people over and slide. And so
Speaker 1: he has to get there. He has to get there,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately he's just not there yet. But I feel
Speaker 1: like at some point in time, if he continues to
Speaker 1: receive opportunities, he will that that light ball will come
Speaker 1: on for him. Hopefully, So for bend In Nucci. And
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Speaker 1: Junior had to call the plays on Saturday, really a
Speaker 1: last minute thing. But this is a guy who Coach
Speaker 1: McCarthy coach Quinn both have a lot of confidence in
Speaker 1: what did you see from the defense on Saturday? Because
Speaker 1: even if the offense was pitter pattering, I thought the
Speaker 1: defense showed a lot of positives. Yeah, it's not enough
Speaker 1: to say about the job that Joe Junior did. And
Speaker 1: you know, when you talk about twenty twenty and the
Speaker 1: whole newness of weird, that we're experiencing. When I heard that,
Speaker 1: you know, Quinn was was out, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is this can't happen during the regular season, So
Speaker 1: whatever happens, let's see what Joe Witt does and it
Speaker 1: then it reminded me that Joe Witt was one of
Speaker 1: the candidates when we were looking for a defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: as well. So it just talks about how dynamic this
Speaker 1: coaching staff is. And and I'm not going to go
Speaker 1: out there too far with some of the superstars that
Speaker 1: we have on this coaching staff, but I just felt
Speaker 1: like Joe Witt did an awesome job with dolling it up.
Speaker 1: And man, I don't know what we're We're three four A,
Speaker 1: We're four three hybrid. It's a hybrid all over the place.
Speaker 1: And I just thought that, first of all, just the
Speaker 1: way that they're using Micah Parsons. Micah Parson is everywhere.
Speaker 1: He's standing in the A gap, he's out on the edge,
Speaker 1: he's at the same he's everywhere on the field, and
Speaker 1: just some of the blitzes that Wit was dolling up.
Speaker 1: I loved him. I love the pressure from the safety position.
Speaker 1: I love some of the stunting that we saw with
Speaker 1: Oca DIGGI Zola and uh Micah And I think you
Speaker 1: pointed that out in a tweet. How that you know
Speaker 1: how successful that was. And look, Michael Parsons is everywhere.
Speaker 1: He is all over the place, and this kid is
Speaker 1: If you thought he was good in the draft, well
Speaker 1: at least Idea, Yeah, of course I thought he was good.
Speaker 1: But you know, he is a lot more. He is
Speaker 1: a lot We're getting a lot more. And his ability,
Speaker 1: uh to blitz it and just cover all of the
Speaker 1: weaknesses that people thought that he had. He doesn't have any,
Speaker 1: I guess right now in preseason. But from a defensive standpoint, Colum,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. There's so much that I'm seeing from
Speaker 1: God's like Darnce Armstrong, even Bley and I I had
Speaker 1: himself a game, didn't Bradley a nice setting that this now?
Speaker 1: He did At one point he made a tackle and
Speaker 1: he like did a split. Did y'all see that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That that that scared me a little bit because had
Speaker 1: Heckmiman done a split like that on the field. You
Speaker 1: care flighted me about it there too, but you definitely
Speaker 1: would have had a new talent. But all in all,
Speaker 1: I was definitely pleased with the job. And the last
Speaker 1: thing is, you know, we talked Rob p. We talked
Speaker 1: p about the offense. Last year. I think that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys defense was number one at points off of turnovers,
Speaker 1: meaning points scored against them on turnovers. You saw when
Speaker 1: they did get have the turnover, they gave up that,
Speaker 1: you know, gave up the touchdown initially, but then in
Speaker 1: the second half had a goal line stance which and
Speaker 1: only gave up a field goal, which I thought was
Speaker 1: good as well. And that's to me, that was the changing, Uh,
Speaker 1: to see the defense hold up like that. I think
Speaker 1: for the first time this preseason, we've seen the culture
Speaker 1: of our defense show up, the new culture, the dan
Speaker 1: Quinn culture, which is fast and furious and relentless. I
Speaker 1: think we saw that and regardless of who was in
Speaker 1: the game, Um, these guys were flying around dumb Toto defense.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, all about family exactly, It's all about family. Family.
Speaker 1: But these guys were relentless. I mean, you saw guys
Speaker 1: all over the place, and you know, you just alluded
Speaker 1: to the different fronts and stunts and things that they brought. Um.
Speaker 1: Obviously that comes from the defensive coordinator. You know, he
Speaker 1: did a great job. Stepping in for Quinn. But the players,
Speaker 1: the players showed up. Man Bradley and I Michael Parsons,
Speaker 1: you know, you started talking about it was good to
Speaker 1: see Malik Hooker in there. Um, it was good to see.
Speaker 1: Um who else was Jabriel Cox? That's somebody had my
Speaker 1: eye on. He was flying around. I mean, you think
Speaker 1: about that's gonna be your second wave over, that's your
Speaker 1: second lineup coming in as your linebackers. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was really good to see these guys and they
Speaker 1: were having fun. They were having fun, and we talked
Speaker 1: about this all offseason. These guys were having fun, running around,
Speaker 1: hitting and just celebrating. Just hit him with the coach.
Speaker 1: It just showed up. It showed up. And I'm really
Speaker 1: hoping that that was not just a one time appearance
Speaker 1: and that that is the new identity for this defense.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at some of the PFF grades just
Speaker 1: for fun, just to kind of see where everybody kind
Speaker 1: of fell in. Michael Parsons scored a ninety ninety plus.
Speaker 1: Jabille Cox had an eighty two. He was the third best.
Speaker 1: Who was the second best player on that list If
Speaker 1: you had to guess, he's a defensive end. Wasn't Dorrence
Speaker 1: Armstrong was mister Randy Gregory? Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he was. He was coming off the ball man
Speaker 1: with with the front seven. I mean, and you guys,
Speaker 1: credit to both of you in terms of the idea
Speaker 1: to revamp the front seven, because at least at the moment,
Speaker 1: it looks like it's working. I mean, they are revamped.
Speaker 1: I mean, Randy Gregory coming back having a full offseason,
Speaker 1: looks like it continues on. He even said it. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on him. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on that defensive line. Michael part and certainly adds
Speaker 1: to that mix as well. But how much improved have
Speaker 1: you seen from that side of the football. It's night
Speaker 1: and day right now year because last year, I mean,
Speaker 1: now you have now you have to compare it. This
Speaker 1: is preseason. Let's let's not get Crazil. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: preseason and we're playing against the Houston Texas. Okay, so
Speaker 1: let's let's yeah. I was going to make sure we
Speaker 1: temper our expectations right correctly. However, what they put on films,
Speaker 1: where they put on film and they were flying around
Speaker 1: and they were being dominant, these are still professional athletes
Speaker 1: that they're playing against. Now, it's not Tampa base Front.
Speaker 1: Let's get that very clear now. But it is very
Speaker 1: encouraging to see these guys thriving, says, you know, seemingly
Speaker 1: thriving within this new system and building confidence, because that's
Speaker 1: really what pro athletes need. And it kind of sounds silly.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, well, your pact pro athlete, you shouldn't need
Speaker 1: to feel that. No, No, you do. You do every
Speaker 1: every level. You need to feel good about what you're doing.
Speaker 1: You need to feel good about your assignment. You need
Speaker 1: to feel good about where you fit in the scheme
Speaker 1: and how how impactful can you be on the field. Also,
Speaker 1: or Gizua, he did a great job. He was jumping
Speaker 1: off the screen. You know, you look at guys that
Speaker 1: are jumping off the screen. This dude was in the
Speaker 1: backfield now, oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah, often and with energy.
Speaker 1: Not only was he making plays, but you saw guys
Speaker 1: after the play like being live. That's what I'm used
Speaker 1: to seeing in a successful dan Quinn system. They got
Speaker 1: to figure out that that d tackle deal because Neville's
Speaker 1: gonna come back, you would hope in the next couple
Speaker 1: of months. Before that, Okay, so Brent Urban started the
Speaker 1: game with osa Osa looks like he's gonna play, He's
Speaker 1: gonna be could be an impact player week one. You
Speaker 1: get that out of a third round draft pick, man,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a really good draft pick. Um. So
Speaker 1: that's that's really encouraging. They worked justin Hamilton in there,
Speaker 1: so they got to figure that out. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: front seven man, Mike McCarthy spoke after the game. He's'
Speaker 1: he said, I don't want to disrespect any of my
Speaker 1: former teams, but I have not seen a linebacker group
Speaker 1: with this much depth and talent that we've seen, And
Speaker 1: I think he's right. I mean that sub package where
Speaker 1: they've got Mike and Keanu Neel together, that's a really
Speaker 1: fun group to get in terms of fast, physical Have
Speaker 1: you ever seen Mighty Ducks too? This kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of Fulton and Dean Portman's going at it, you know,
Speaker 1: and like that's that's a really good sub package there. Texans. Okay, look,
Speaker 1: Zeke said it last week that they want their this
Speaker 1: offense to be the number one offense in the league.
Speaker 1: I don't think Houston's going to compete for that. You know,
Speaker 1: they're they're not. They're not. They're not a very talented
Speaker 1: offense top to bottom. But so that is keep that
Speaker 1: in mind. But look, anytime you hold somebody to zero
Speaker 1: for ten on third down like that is saying something.
Speaker 1: And one of them, I think it was a drop
Speaker 1: in the first quarter. But that was impressive. And you heck,
Speaker 1: you mentioned the quick change in the first quarter. They
Speaker 1: didn't respond to that great. I mean, they gave up
Speaker 1: some some runs there in that first drive and you
Speaker 1: kind of thought, man, that's that's kind of looks a
Speaker 1: little like last year. But they did a better job overall.
Speaker 1: And it was three point two yards of carry for
Speaker 1: the game Houston had, so overall, I mean, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was an impressive performance. They just look comfortable. Like you said,
Speaker 1: they're changing things up. They are blitzing, which is some
Speaker 1: cool blitz packages they got. They're coming. They're coming. But
Speaker 1: you know, I don't see a lot of bus either.
Speaker 1: The communication seems to be pretty good, you know, top
Speaker 1: to bottom. So now I love that, and I love
Speaker 1: what you're talking about as far as the linebacker group,
Speaker 1: because man, all of a sudden, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of decisions that have to be made there as well.
Speaker 1: Because what are you gonna do once you see your
Speaker 1: rookie Jabril Cox, take them you know where, take the
Speaker 1: reins in that position. He plays really well in pass coverage.
Speaker 1: That's what got him drafted with how superior he was there.
Speaker 1: Now he's showing you things in the running game as well,
Speaker 1: also blitzing. Now he came on a blitzing and Thompson
Speaker 1: got credit for but that was all because of Jabril
Speaker 1: Cox and what he did. And so what do you
Speaker 1: do now with Layton? What do you do now with Jalen?
Speaker 1: Guys that are making money, trying to make that big
Speaker 1: money that are now second tier, third tier guys when
Speaker 1: you're they're afterthoughts when you start talking about what they
Speaker 1: do as far as in those sub packages. Because ken
Speaker 1: On Nil is man. He is a general when he
Speaker 1: is out there, and you can see the way that
Speaker 1: the guys respect him and that's based off of his
Speaker 1: actions on the field and he's just putting it. He's
Speaker 1: putting that tape out there. Also man at the safety position.
Speaker 1: If you didn't have questions before, you have bigger questions
Speaker 1: now because Jeron Curse he had a good game. You're
Speaker 1: talking about questions in a good way. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: a great in a great way, great way. And I
Speaker 1: think that's going to be a discussion Wednesday, is I mean,
Speaker 1: we talked about the dB room last week. Let's try
Speaker 1: and let's try and talk about that on Wednesday a
Speaker 1: little bit because I want to get deeper into that.
Speaker 1: And we've got to get out of the way because
Speaker 1: there is another podcast after us. It's Players Lounge. Just
Speaker 1: got to get started. Yes, you can tune into that
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But we'll be here on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: eleven twenty. I believe it's the start time, so it's
Speaker 1: a little bit off. We have to work around coach
Speaker 1: McCarthy's schedule, so we'll make sure him do that and
Speaker 1: we will be right back here SWBC Mortgage Studios on Wednesday.
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