1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: name is Noll, and I am then today. Hopefully you 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: are still you. Thanks for dropping by. That makes this 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. And boy, we've 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: been doing uh, we've been doing a lot of doozies. 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: This is the first time in a while that all 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: three of us have been in the studio together. I 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: have returned everyone. Yes, this is the real journeys, I 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: tell you, gentlemen. Being on a naval base, a huge 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: naval base that was once a couple of separated institutions 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: that are now all one big thing. It's fascinating going 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 1: through all the security to retrieve the launch codes. You're 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: not supposed to talk about that here. No, Well, the 17 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: badgers out of the bag. What's what's the happens? Beat 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: the badger back into the bag. So, guys, what happened 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: while I was there is I got to watch about 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: five hundred young I guess they're petty officers. They are 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: They all graduated from the Nuclear Power School in different 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: varying degrees. Some of them are officers, some of them 23 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: will be moving on to go work on a sub 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: whole another set of lingo right for positions in the 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 1: names right, So these are not like shallow bad people. 26 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: Their actual title is petty officer. Yeah, and my brother 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: in law, he was the person I went to go see. 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: He actually very much dislikes that title, but yes, it was. 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: It was super cool to see all these guys who 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: are younger than me, who are going to be going 31 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: and working on just huge nuclear powered machines that they 32 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: are going to be essentially running the furnaces, you know, 33 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: like just making it all happen and running all the systems. Oh, 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. I'd like to have that knowledge. Well 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: that this brings us to an interesting point. UH listeners, 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: we'd love to hear any of your military or naval 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: related stories if you have some experience, because it is 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: an entirely different world and it's something that if if 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: you think there's something hidden or interesting that the average 40 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: non uh non military member just wouldn't think about or 41 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't know, UH, and you'd like the rest of your 42 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: fellow listeners to hear it, then write to us or 43 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: send us a tweet or um, what's a Facebook message? 44 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: I've got one for you. Right before we go in, 45 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: I did not know that most of our countries nuclear 46 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: power systems, just the ones that generate power that's mostly 47 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: run by the Navy. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's true. 48 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: I I thought I thought they were simply training people 49 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: four ships and for submarines and things like that. But 50 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: it's to maintain the infrastructure of our nuclear power. Speaking 51 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: of correspondence, and we had some folks right in and 52 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: we we asked if this should go at the beginning 53 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: of the end. We're going to keep it at the 54 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: beginning this time, and and see we feel about it. 55 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: But ladies and gentlemen, it is time for our shout 56 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: out corner. Shout out corners, Yes, shout out corner, the 57 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: moment in the show where every week we go to 58 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: your comments, your tweets, your community case and we attach 59 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: a shout out, a personal touch to send it back 60 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: out at you. So today we have several. The first 61 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: one comes from Eric or at Eric, who says every 62 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: three minutes of the show should have a shout out. 63 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: And now any one for myself. So fair, Eric, here's 64 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: your shout out. Thank you for the feedback. This was 65 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: visa vs. Should the shout out corner be at the 66 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: top of the show or the bottom of the show. 67 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: Clearly Eric is in the former camp. Well he has 68 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: gone a third way. Eric, We'll make a compromise. What 69 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: what you can do is play that shout out part 70 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: every every three minutes, repute every five whenever you wish. 71 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: I think it'll be tough for us to do a 72 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: shout out every three minutes. That sounds kind of we'd 73 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: have to be a live show, and then it would 74 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: be confusing. We would need a fourth person just to 75 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: supply all of the shoutouts just while we're going. I think, 76 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: what if the shout out? What if we were fueled 77 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: by shoutouts? What if that was the only way we 78 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: could continue is every three minutes we recharged with a 79 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: shout out. I don't know, man, kind of like we've 80 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: talked about shoutouts as currency, why not shoutouts as sustenance? 81 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: You know this is this is We're gonna tie this 82 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: in in a weird way. Uh. Later on in today's podcast, 83 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: actually and I love do you point out sustenance. Who's next? 84 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: You want to go? You want me to go? Matt. 85 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: The next shout out goes out to Steward Lucky. He 86 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: sent us an email. We see him all over the place, 87 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: guys on our periscope, sending us messages on our Twitter 88 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: all the time. Starts. Stewart's really cool and he always 89 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: is interacting with us. So guess what, Stewart, huge shout 90 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: out to you. You send us something about the tiger 91 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: stripes in the Kumtang desert in northwest China. It looks 92 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: really interesting. Have you guys seen an image of this? Yeah, 93 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: I've seen some images. Yeah, it's really cool. He says. 94 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: Could this have something to do with perhaps a Chinese 95 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: harp system? Maybe be, But the way it looks, it 96 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: looks very very different to me. I would you know, 97 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: I would love to look into this more and get 98 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: back get back to you on that. With this is 99 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: like a pattern that you can see in a flyover 100 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: or something I don't know right, you can see on 101 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: Google Earth came. So it can't be that that secret 102 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: because as we know, Google Earth will cow taw to 103 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: any state level oreganization that request. It removes something what 104 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: a nightmare. That job must be going in and scrubbing 105 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: all the yeah and pixelating it and people you can 106 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: probably tell if you know what you're looking at, if 107 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: you find the right spot and you say, wow, these 108 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: trees or this sand became suddenly sixteen biddish. Yeah. That's 109 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: very much a repeating pattern here. So our last last 110 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: shot is to Ashley Wazner or Wazner who suggested we 111 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: look into the strange noises in the sky that have 112 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: been documented on video across the world. This is an 113 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: interesting one. I think a few years ago we had 114 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: heard about this. Some people have said trumpets in the sky. 115 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: Some people had mentioned it's tied as well with the 116 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: idea of the hum or some something of that nature. 117 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: So these are all great suggestions. We're gonna look into these, 118 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: and thank you for writing to us. If you would 119 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: like a shout out, then, as always, drop us a 120 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: line where conspiracy stuff on Facebook, Twitter, and we're uh, 121 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, we're kind of all over the internet nowadays, right, 122 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: we got the Internet going nuts. And that concludes the 123 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: shoutout corner. Let's go right into this. Have you guys, 124 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: have you matter you know seeing a UFO I can 125 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: I cannot say that I have or not. I do 126 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: not believe that I have seen a UFO officially, Well, guys, 127 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: as it happens, I have seen what I would consider 128 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: unidentified to me, and I was not able to identify 129 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: it after the fact. And it was a very unusual 130 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: peculiar shape that I'm not used to seeing at the 131 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: at the height in the sky that I was seeing it. Um. So, 132 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: in a past life, I once was a poor touring 133 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: musician um with a group of Satanists called the hell 134 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: Blinky sex tet Um. We were released Satanists, but the 135 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: name of the band was the hell Blinky sextet Um. 136 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: They're actually still around and shout out to Andrew Benjamin 137 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: and and all the hell Blinky folks. They played Dragon Con, 138 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: they play They're they're kind of a steampunk type band. 139 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: That was was sort of a little goth kid playing 140 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: the violin with my uh, with my goatee and my 141 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: black clothes. Anywhere, Yeah, I can, we can post a picture. Um. Anyway, 142 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: we were on a tour and we were traveling through 143 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: the Midwest in a rented van and um, you know, 144 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: it was in Illinois or somewhere. I remember there was 145 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: a lot of corn a lot of corn fields. I've 146 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: never really um road tripped in that part of the 147 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: country before, so I was kind of taking it in 148 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: and looking out the window. I had a little handicam 149 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: back in the day, was one of the first little 150 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: HD sony handicams, and UM I was shooting footage of 151 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: the window, and um, over the corn fields, kind of 152 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: far into the horizon, I saw what looked like sort 153 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: of a strange geometric, clely shaped object. It was. It 154 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: was kind of like a diamond shape um or maybe 155 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: like almost like a like a trapezoid kind of I 156 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: remember it had very angular and it was it was 157 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: just hovering and it wasn't close. It was clearly very far. 158 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: But the size that it was for how you know. 159 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: And again, the perspective is strange out there when you're 160 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: in very flat land. It's hard to kind of judge 161 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: distance as well. And I wasn't really used to, you know, 162 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: seeing things in this part of the country, so it 163 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: was very jarring. And I did get it on video, 164 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, I do not have the tape anymore. 165 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: I know that's sort of likely story. But at your house, 166 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: no nobody showed up at my house. But they probably 167 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: just figured that, you know, my dumb self would lose 168 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: the thing in which I did, and so I was 169 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: no threat to anyone trying to cover anything else. Well, 170 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: here's the thing with the men in Black, if if 171 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: you were in fact visited by them, you would have 172 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: no recollection with Yeah, it's like being roofy by the 173 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: men And luck did the UFO have any lights on 174 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: it or it was during the day, it's the thing, 175 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: So it was in the middle of the day and 176 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: it you know, it was just very strange. And the 177 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: funny thing is, I've looked, even like in the X 178 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: Files and in shows like that where they have uh 179 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: photos of supposed UFO sightings. What I saw it looked 180 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: very similar to some of these sightings. And I remember 181 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: there's an episode in the X Files, I forget which 182 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: one it was, where there was some sort of top 183 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: secret government craft that would like it was really really 184 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: fast and it was you know, setting the ground on 185 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: fire because it was remember that one. Anyway, it looked 186 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: like kind of what one of those would have been 187 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: what would have looked like. But it was really strange, 188 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: and to this day have not been able to justify 189 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: figure out what it was. Um, you know, very, very 190 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: very that's fascinating. And we've had, we've had, especially recently, 191 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people right in to say, hey, guys, 192 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: here's the story I have. I cannot explain it, but 193 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you about it. And we appreciate 194 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: those and maybe when we compile enough we can read 195 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: them on air and maybe a UFO listener mail episode. Um, 196 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: this brought us to a big question we wanted to 197 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: ask today and you have maybe asked yourself this before, 198 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: which is where the heck are all the aliens? Where 199 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: all the extraterrestrials seems like they would be around, right? Absolutely? So, okay, 200 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: this is this is something that blows my mind when 201 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: you think about it. Whenever we hear people arguing about 202 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: alien life or extraterrestrial stuff, and it's automatically treated as 203 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: some sort of tinfoil clap trap. Those people are not 204 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: exhibiting those critics rather or not exhibiting critical thinking when 205 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: they say that there are no aliens. We can walk 206 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: through this because there's this huge paradox, right, given this this, 207 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: given the size of the universe, it is, let's just 208 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: through the numbers so the observable universe is about ninety 209 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: billion light years in diameter, just the part we can see, 210 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: just that part. In that billion light years, there at 211 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: least a hundred billion galaxies, and planets like the one 212 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: we live on are pretty common. They're not They're not 213 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: rare by any means. This means that there are trillions 214 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: of possibly habitable planets. And this leads us to the 215 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: number one thing that blows my mind. The odds are 216 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: on our side. With the size of the universe, it 217 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: is almost completely inevitable that some other form of life 218 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: exists or did exist, or will exist. Here's the downer 219 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: to this beautiful thought, right, Uh, the same thing that 220 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: means is that aliens definitely exists, and where life definitely 221 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: exists in the universe also guarantees that these other forms 222 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: of life, um probably won't ever come into contact with us, 223 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: or we won't come into contact with them, and and 224 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: that's a very unfortunate thing. But it just it's because 225 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: we're so vastly far away, right, Yeah, So when you 226 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: look at the odds, think of our area of the 227 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: universe like a neighborhood, right, And let's call our neighborhood 228 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: the Milky Way. So these other life forms may very 229 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: likely not be in our neighborhood. They might be in 230 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: a different neighborhood. And the reason that this sucks so 231 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: bad for us is because we will probably never get 232 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: to see them, even if we have great technology, because 233 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: the universe is expanding. But whenever the stuff comes up 234 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: in you know, pop culture tropes and fiction, it's always 235 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: like the aliens just have to make contact with us 236 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: because we are so fascinating and great and or awful 237 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: if they want to annihilate us, right, And that's you know, 238 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: from a logical standpoint, there's some disturbing things in there. 239 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: We get this, like, even if we had an amazingly 240 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: fast spacecraft, right uh, And even if we somehow had 241 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: a social organization or dynamic that allowed us to be 242 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: in a spacecraft for a long time and not kill 243 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: each other and reproduce effectively and still be cool about everything, 244 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: it would still take us billions of years to travel 245 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: to another another cosmic neighborhood, yeah, to another galaxy, right 246 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: to escape. And even if we could escape our galaxy, 247 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: we're not even exactly sure what we're going to encounter. 248 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: From a physics standpoint, leaving a galaxy because there there 249 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: are all of these effects on on gravitational fields and 250 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: all these other things that when you're inside the safety 251 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: of even a solar system, when you're trying to escape 252 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: that they're's they're huge dangers that we possibly haven't even 253 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: accounted for yet. Right, and let's remember that those dangers 254 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: would it goes both ways. Another civilization attempting to come 255 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: to Earth would also run into those things, if it 256 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: we're not from the Milky Way and in between those neighborhoods, 257 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: it's the deep, it's the ink. Yeah, it's a very 258 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: specific set of conditions that give us the atmosphere and 259 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: then the gravity that we experience. And you know that's 260 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: why astronauts need such intense equipment when they you know, 261 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: even go just outside of our atmosphere. Right, yeah, and 262 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: this this ties into something else. Let's get weird with it. 263 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: Let's assume or play a thought game with us, folks. 264 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's imagine that humanity gets its collective junk together, 265 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: right where a family show gets its lective stuff together, 266 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: cooperates and builds some kind of multi generational spaceship and 267 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: arc of sorts. Yes, yeah, essentially, and this thing would 268 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: be capable of traveling billions of years. And we have 269 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: detected somehow a signal from a nearby galaxy, and we 270 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: we say, well, we have the technology to build something 271 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: that will last billions of years. We're going to take 272 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: this gigantic leap, and we are going to spend more 273 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: time than ever in humanity and a conscious pursuit of 274 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: a single endeavor. Here's the stuff that would happen that 275 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: we would be strange. Even if we survived, I had 276 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: some kind of cohesive social structure, we ourselves would probably 277 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: evolve along the way due to the exposure, the compromises 278 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: we would have to make to this other, uh, this 279 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: other environment in which we would live, Which means that 280 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: even if everything else went right, and even if there 281 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: were still some things, some other intelligent thing to find 282 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: when we got there, whatever did land and comes out 283 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: of that spaceship would no longer really be human. That's 284 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: crazy to think about. So even for that alone, we 285 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't be there. And did there are ways we could 286 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: get around it. Let's imagine if we did cryogenics, you know, 287 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: some kind of hibernation. What if we sent robots which honestly, 288 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: is probably the the next step. What if we just 289 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: sent robots that had our DNA and said, you know, 290 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: do us a solid and make some of us once 291 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: you get to a cool part, and they would go, 292 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: it's a little weird, I don't know. No, No, it 293 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: would be great. As long as they didn't have any 294 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: kind of extensive historical documentation about humanity, then they would 295 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: be well. Of course, once we get to this point 296 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: where we can create an arc, at least in this 297 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: world that we've created here, perhaps humanity has moved on 298 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: from our past aggressiveness and all of that. But that's 299 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: that's the strange thing, right, Matt, Like, none of that matters. 300 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: None of all these very heady scientific fiction type things 301 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: we've mentioned matter. If the destination star explodes, if the 302 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: civilization perishes, perhaps due to nuclear war, due to some 303 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: other technology, or a gamma ray burst, you know there. Um, 304 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: there's so many more ways this could go wrong than 305 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: it could ever even go halfway right, especially what you're 306 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: saying with the expansion of the universe, and depending on 307 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: which direction you're going within the universe, how the expansion 308 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: is occurring, because you have to imagine that's time like, 309 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: if you're traveling billions of years, the way light functions, 310 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, and the expansion you you could be the 311 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: billions of years could be exponentially greater. Mm hmm. Yeah, 312 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: And that's that's the problem. They're moving goalposts. So let's 313 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: say if other galaxies are right out, then let's talk 314 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of out our neck of the woods. 315 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Milky Way. So the Milky Way, 316 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: our galaxy contains about four hundred billion stars billion with 317 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: a b of that four billion around twenty billion um. 318 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: Look a lot like the Sun. Yeah, So up to 319 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: a fifth of these are about four billion have planets 320 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: that orbit within what we call the habitable zone. Uh, 321 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: sort of a Goldilocks kind of vibe. Not too hot, 322 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: not too cold, just right. If only point one percent 323 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: of those star systems point one percent harbor life, um, 324 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: we'd still be looking at a million planets with some 325 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: sort of life. And what we have to note on 326 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: in that regard is that when we say some form 327 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: of life, we're not instantly talking space faring civilizations. Quite 328 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: the opposite. I'll probably like micro organism, rocking microbes. Yeah, microbes. 329 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe if we're lucky, some kind of higher order 330 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: multicellular life, but makes me think of these, uh, these 331 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: little guys called the water bears, tartegrades is what they're called. 332 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: And they you know, scientists froze them and then revived 333 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: them after you know, a decade or something like that. 334 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: Very very resilient, little little little guys. Seems that they 335 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: can survive space travel even without a helmet. Yeah, which 336 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: just kind of if we got weird stuff like this 337 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: on our plan if it's so resilient and that could 338 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: exist outside of our again very specific set of conditions 339 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: that we are, you know, um kind of built for. 340 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: I see no reason why this could not exist outside 341 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: of our you know. Well, here's another note, and I'm 342 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: really I'm really glad you brought that up, because we 343 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: have to assume that we have to factor in age 344 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: as well as size. So the Milky Way is around 345 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: thirteen billion years old after the first For the first 346 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: few billion, it was sort of a bad neighborhood. Stuff 347 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: was exploding, things were smashing together. Plan It's like a 348 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: lot of planets weren't quite planets yet. It was it 349 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: was people probably or life force probably didn't live there 350 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: during the first billion years if there anything like us, 351 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: because which again that's a tremendous assumption because they would 352 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: be obliterated so quickly. Even think about things like the 353 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: formation of the continents, you know, and plates just smashing 354 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: up against one another. You know, we don't. We haven't 355 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: really experienced anything like that in our lifetime. It's just 356 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: where such a blip. And this idea that you're talking 357 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: about about the age makes me think of things like, 358 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: you know, the ancient ones, the elder ones, you know, 359 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: like you, And that's that's an interest. Okay, yes, we're 360 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: gonna tie this in because Earth is a new kid 361 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: on the block. Earth is uh well over four billion 362 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: years old, which is just nothing. That's that's chump changed. 363 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: This means that way before our planet became a thing, 364 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: the Milky Way had trillions of chances of opportunities for 365 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: life to be created, to to uh life to exist. 366 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: And you know a lot of planets came and went 367 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: before we ever showed up or moved in. So that 368 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: means if only one such civilization existed before us and 369 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: created space travel, this will fundamentally change our understanding of 370 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: the universe. And you know, we always think of because 371 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: of science fiction We always think of an alien species 372 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: that can uh, that has space faring technology as being 373 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: a future oriented, advanced thing, but it maybe, to your point, 374 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: a much older and ancient and eldritch thing, and it 375 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: certainly would give them the time to have developed a 376 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: different set of technolo apology or to be more advanced, 377 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: because again, you look at the timeline of Earth and 378 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: um you know what we've what it's taken us to 379 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: create the technology and the um you know, society that 380 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: we have today. I think if we had a million 381 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: years accomplished that stuff. You know, every time I we 382 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: talked about this stuff, I think about that game the 383 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: Massive or Mass Effect. Have you played Mass Effect at 384 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: all or heard about it? Okay? Well, alright, Ben, Well 385 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: in that in that game you and I think I've 386 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: talked about this before on here, but we in that game, 387 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: once a civilization gets advanced enough to travel a certain 388 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: distance from their planet, they will encounter this ancient, old 389 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: technology that is massive and what it can do is essentially, uh, 390 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: have you jumped with light speed to a different part 391 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: of the galaxy. But there was an ancient, ancient civilization 392 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: that created these things in order to traverse the entire 393 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: galaxies because collects the Harbingers, and I don't want to 394 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: give things away, but but there is that, Yes, there's 395 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: an ancient civilization. And what you're saying Ben in here 396 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: is that let's say that one of those really did 397 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: exist in the Milky Way, Uh, civilization that could do 398 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: that if if it was true and in the real world, 399 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: and they built these ships capable of taking you know, 400 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: thousand year long trips to get to one part of 401 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: the galaxy to the other and then build this huge technology. 402 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: It would take millions and millions of years to achieve 403 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: some of these things, to colonize the entire galaxy, or 404 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: to at least visit the entire galaxy, Which means then 405 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: that if this, if some ancient civilization existed, uh, there 406 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: would be there. There would be time, enough time if 407 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: they were around can and this is such a tremendous 408 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: house of cards yet that the question would be where 409 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: are they? And that is the million dollar or shall 410 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: we say, the billion light year question originally posed by 411 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: the legendary physicists and Rico Faremi. This is the Faremi paradox. 412 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: If everything we know about the Milky Way and the 413 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: larger universe assures us that other forms of life are likely, 414 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: if not near inevitable. Then why have we not found any? 415 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: Why have we not found one? There are a few possibilities, 416 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: you guys want a laundry list them. Yeah, maybe it's 417 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: just extremely difficult for life itself to begin. We we 418 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: don't really know exactly the mechanisms that make life occur 419 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: on a planet. We know a non living things. Yes, 420 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: we we know that there are situations which are extremely beneficial, 421 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: like being in the habitable zone near a star and 422 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: having an atmosphere and all of these other things. But 423 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, getting an atmosphere is a huge ordeal in 424 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: its own right. Or then maybe it's just really really 425 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: difficult for life to evolve past a certain point, so 426 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: to like the earlier point you made. No, maybe most 427 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: aliens are single celled, relatively primitive organisms. So maybe the 428 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: entire universe, like the Milky Way, used to be a 429 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: lot more dangerous to life, just made it unsustainable. But 430 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: imagine a past that's filled with gamma ray bursts and 431 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: exploding stars and black holes, wandering black holes, radiation, all 432 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: kinds of existential threats, you know, or or just go 433 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: back to the earlier note about evolution. Maybe we just 434 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: haven't gotten to the next big evolutionary hurdle. We haven't 435 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: gotten over it. It's possible, I guess that we could 436 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: invent technology that has species ending consequences. Nuclear weaponry, which 437 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: we already have obviously good rent could go wrong, that's safe. Well, 438 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: it could render the entire planet completely uninhabitable. Might not 439 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: even take something as immediate as a nuclear weapon. We 440 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: could just do it to ourselves with you know, climate 441 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: change and you know, the right kind of weaponized disease, 442 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: or maybe Alphabet or another big company hundreds of years 443 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: from now will invent essentially what is a new species 444 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: through technology that can then or will have to take 445 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: over for us once organic life can't exist or maybe 446 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: hundreds of months. That's yeah. This goes into something that 447 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: the machine consciousness thing is something that we I'm glad 448 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: you mentioned because we're going to get into that too. 449 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: Here's the scariest one, in my opinion, what if another 450 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: highly sophisticated UH class three kind of civilization does exist, 451 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: able to traverse the galaxy with technology such that not 452 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: only is it UH not only does it seem part 453 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: of the natural world to us, but it is godlike, 454 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: And what if this civilization seeks out life forms that 455 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: evolved past a certain point, you know, whatever that point, 456 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: maybe maybe before you find whatever magic technology it is 457 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: that allows you to traverse space, and what if it 458 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: destroys them? Yeah, out of self preservation. I mean, you 459 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: don't want anyone else coming out in and destroying your 460 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: ships or fighting over resources. I mean maybe that could 461 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 1: really be a thing. And and the other factory your 462 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: course is time. As we mentioned previous in the previous 463 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: podcast about contacting aliens, the likelihood of other life forms 464 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: is existing is high, It's very high. But the likelihood 465 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: of them existing at the same time as our life 466 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: forms is likely much much lower, just because there's so 467 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: much time involved. Guys, one more possibility. I'm this is 468 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: something that Noel and uh I guess since the previous 469 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: podcast to kind of talked about and I can't remember 470 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: if it made it on the air, but um, let's okay, No, 471 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: maybe you should explain it. What if all biological entities 472 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: are just stepping stones to another phase of evolution entirely 473 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: like machine minds or created life. This is fascinating to 474 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: me because it certainly feels like space is not the 475 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: right environment for biological life. Right. There are a lot 476 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: of things, the processes that we do, that we have 477 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: to do in order to maintain our existence as a 478 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: human or as any biological living thing that just aren't 479 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: conducive to an environment that's enclosed, like in a spaceship 480 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: or something like that. I don't know. Well, it's painful 481 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: for the human ego, I'm sure, but it may well 482 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: be true. You know, what is what is more within 483 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: the reach of our seas Is it to modify ourselves 484 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: and our issue such that we are better adapted to 485 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: interstellar exploration? Or is it closer within our reach? You know? 486 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: Are we Are we the primates that give way to 487 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: the next step? Are we the bacteria that are you know? 488 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: Are we the unicellular organism that creates something multicellular? You know? 489 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: It's it's strange because we tend to think that we 490 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: are the masters, yeah, the end result, the masters of 491 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: our own evolution. That there was a poem you and 492 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: I got close to quoting a few podcasts to go 493 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: with the Master of My Fate, The Captain of my soul? 494 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: Is it black as the night that covers me, Dark 495 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: as the night that covers me black as pitch from 496 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: pull to pull. I thank whatever God may be for 497 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: my unconquerable soul. I can't arrest we. I think it's 498 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: called but uh, it's it's a very human thing, you 499 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And it may not be true. 500 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: The id the idea of being somewhere low on the 501 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: evolutionary chain is almost like as incomprehensible as imagining what 502 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: it's like to to be dead, to not exist, you know, 503 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: like try to wrap your just think about like what 504 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: what what what does it feel like to not experience? 505 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: To you know, I mean, it's you can it can't. 506 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: You can't do it right because the thought itself is 507 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: an experience. And so to me, like to think of 508 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: what would it be like to evolve beyond myself, beyond 509 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: beyond what I am, the equipment that I have mentally, physically, 510 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: any of that still very incomprehensive. Yeah, it's the old 511 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: question of if we make, if we make robotic uh 512 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: like hard drive copies of us, if we scan our 513 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,479 Speaker 1: brains and our personalities with a fidelity such that they 514 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: would be an exact copy, you know, does that is 515 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: that us? And if so, what are we? But now 516 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: it's time for us to get to something that hopefully listeners, 517 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, friends and neighbors, you will enjoy as well. 518 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: We are going to talk about whether, despite all these 519 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: all these things, all these numbers, all these statistics we 520 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: have looked at, we're going to talk about whether there's 521 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: any evidence something like an alien or extraterrestrial has visited Earth. 522 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: But first a word from response. Here's where it gets crazy. 523 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: This is this is an even bigger question, have aliens 524 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: visited Earth? Let's let's talk about UFOs because we're not 525 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: the first people to ask this question. Oh no, no, no, 526 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: no no. This is a huge question has been around 527 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: since I guess since we've been looking at the stars 528 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: really and trying to understand what the heck they are? 529 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: What is that giant glowing? Yeah, we've been wondering like 530 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: what put that there? How did that get there? Is 531 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: it something that some outside force did? Can I go 532 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: to their? Can that go to me? Yeah? Yeah, very 533 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: very simple questions that are actually pretty big. Um. So 534 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: if we look at if we kind of zoom through 535 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: the human histories, we get to in a time right 536 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: after World War Two when there were a lot of 537 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: sightings of things in the sky a lot of times 538 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: at night, sometimes during the day. Uh that appeared a 539 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: bit strange, out of the ordinary, that regular old Joe's 540 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: like you and me, Noel and Ben just look up 541 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: and go, huh, that's weird. So the Air Force decided 542 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: they were going to look into these things UFOs in particular. 543 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: They began in night and it was a thing they 544 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: called Projects Sign where they were looking at sightings of 545 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,479 Speaker 1: UFOs and just kind of collecting as much data as 546 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: they could on them, trying to see if they could 547 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: explain them through uh means like a balloon in the 548 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: air or test going on with an aircraft, even things 549 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: such as lightning or you know, lights in the sky. 550 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: And then in let see, that was called Project Sign 551 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: and it was then they changed their name to Project Grudge, 552 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: which was a kind of a separate project where they 553 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: were going through and essentially trying to debunk the findings 554 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: of Project Sign or just to explain all of them away, 555 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: because there were there were a couple of things, a 556 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: couple sightings that were considered unexplained still and then in 557 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three it kind of had its third little iteration, 558 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: which became a thing that you probably have heard of, 559 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: and we've talked about before on this show, called Project 560 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: blue Book, not to be confused with the Kelly Blue 561 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: Book or a Project blue Beam, nor the blue books 562 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: that you perhaps were issued when you had to do 563 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 1: writing tests. True, so this became Project blue Book in three. 564 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 1: But they were all pursuing similar things in different ways. Yes, 565 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: And between ninety and nineteen sixty nine, the Air Force 566 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: investigated twelve thousand, six hundred and eighteen reported UFO sightings. 567 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: And in this report that talks about the findings of 568 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: Project blue Book, grudge and sign and uh nor could 569 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: you read that of these total sightings, eleven thousand, nine 570 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen were found to have been caused by 571 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: material objects such as balloons, satellites and aircrafts, immaterial objects 572 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: such as lightning reflections, and other natural phenomena, astronomical objects 573 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: such as stars, planets, and the sun and moon, weather conditions, 574 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: and hoaxes. As indicated, only seven d and one reported 575 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: sightings remain unexplained. Great job, noll. I would object to 576 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: the language that I uses, however, because only seven one. 577 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: That's sort of right, that it's not sort of that 578 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: there's no reason for me to add on some kind 579 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: of crappy modifier words to that. That's absolutely attempting to 580 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: unsuccessfully in my opinion. Uh Bury the lead, Yeah, downplay 581 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: it like crazy in the official report. So what were 582 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: their official conclusions? Okay, so they had three official conclusions. One, 583 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: no UFO reported, investigated and evaluated by the Air Force 584 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: has ever given any indication of threat to our national security. 585 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: That's a big word, you know, that word, very important 586 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: national security. There has been no evidence submitted to or 587 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as unidentified 588 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: present technological developments or principles beyond the range of present 589 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: day scientific knowledge. And Three, there has been no evidence 590 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: indicating that sightings categorized as unidentified are extraterrestrial vehicles. And 591 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: then in sixty nine they terminated the project, right, Yes, 592 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: that's correct, And I think I think it was President 593 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: Carter that wanted to kind of start back up blue Book, 594 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: not necessarily the project blue Book itself, but he wanted 595 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: the Air Force to look into unidentified flying objects again, 596 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: and they turned him down because because well, yes, because 597 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: he saw one, and I guess he just thought it 598 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: was a good idea, but the Air Force looked back 599 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: at these reports and just said, Nah, we're not gonna 600 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: do that. That's something that we hear often enough every 601 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: time a president is newly elected, not re elected, but 602 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: newly elected. Clinton, Right, Clinton was one. I think Bush 603 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: may have meant one of the bushes and made some 604 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: statements about it. Probably W. Probably not h W given 605 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: his past in the CIA. Barack Obama mentioned it. Numerous 606 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: presidential nominees will say I will look into this and 607 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: what ever they find out, you know, it's not been published, 608 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: which goes to the idea of the disclosure project. Let's 609 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: also talk about since we we talked about the idea 610 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,399 Speaker 1: of this vast chronological scale, let's explore the um conversations 611 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: people have about ancient alien visitations, the legends of someone 612 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: landing from Afar, the tie ins with biblical creatures such 613 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: as the Nephelum who fell from the sky and taught 614 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: man agriculture while also sleeping with as many people as 615 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: they could. Right, Uh, so we're the Nephelum. Rather, let 616 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: me amend that the Nephelum were the result of those 617 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: sorts of unions. So you will often hear ladies and 618 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: gentlemen arguments that these are these stories, these oral histories 619 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,919 Speaker 1: that were later written down, are evidence of some other 620 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: life form from beyond the stars, jump starting human evolution 621 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: or human social evolution. I I I have to admit, 622 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: I kind of like these stories, at least the idea 623 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: underlying these stories, because when you if you think about 624 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: it logically, you kind of get lost and you start 625 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: doubting that this could ever be true. But when you 626 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: I like the ideas of time and how large our 627 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: galaxy is and how long it's been around, and how 628 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: relatively young the Earth is. I like the idea that 629 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:33,919 Speaker 1: perhaps there was some mass, massive, um intelligent, perhaps even 630 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: technological life that that existed in the universe or even 631 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: in our galaxy, that somehow seated our planet. And I 632 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: really like the I think that's kind of what the 633 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: story is in Ridley Scott's latest Aliens franchise film. Yeah, 634 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: that actually came to mind that a lot of this 635 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: stuff just about, like you know, the engineers in that 636 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: film seem to be sort of like the next stage 637 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: of our evolution. So, yeah, this is this is a 638 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,439 Speaker 1: good topic because I was I was planning to bring 639 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: this up as well. The theory of pan spermium as 640 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: a horrible name, but it is probably one of the 641 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,760 Speaker 1: biggest potential discoveries that we can make, along with tracing 642 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 1: the origin or figuring out the providence of the Wow signal, 643 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: which you know, of course, is the one of the 644 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: most anomalous signals received from space. We have done an 645 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 1: episode touching on that. You can check it out where 646 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: we're talking about alien contact, the idea of microbial alien 647 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: life coming to Earth. The idea of this pan spermia 648 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: theory is in many ways of the plausible ancient alien idea, 649 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: and it seems um what do I say plausible, I 650 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: mean comparatively plausible. It seems that this could be in 651 00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: the cards if there were an extraterrestrial higher order being 652 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: that came to Earth and sometime in the ancient past. Uh. 653 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: I believe that most civilizations or researchers would want everyone 654 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: to know about it. If, however, they came during a 655 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: modern time, somehow, I believe that there would be an 656 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: air of secrecy just given them. Given the fact that 657 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 1: we live in a globally connected world in which many 658 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: state actors and corporations are in constant dirty competition, but 659 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: in in this alien ancient alien theory, it would be 660 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: that perhaps they visited before humanity had evolved into a 661 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: conscious mind, to a hunter gatherer situation, because then the 662 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: idea would have been that instead of being capable of 663 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: learning on their own, early Homo sapiens had somebody appear 664 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: out of the sky and plant and teach them how 665 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: to plant things. Uh. The clearly you know a long 666 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: time less news. Uh. You know that I have personally 667 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: quarreled with this because I think there's a lot of 668 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: institutionalized racism in ancient alien theories. I'll spare everyone in 669 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: the conversation I bring up when this stuff happens, just 670 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: to say, you know, if you hear someone tell you 671 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: that there's no way ancient Egyptian civilization could have made 672 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: the Pyramids, don't just believe them. Look into the vast 673 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: amount of research people have done about recreating them. So 674 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: at this point, I don't know where else do you 675 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: want to go with us. I would just say that 676 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: if you're you've probably already seen everything that you could 677 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: ever see about ancient alien theory through the History Channel 678 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: or H two, or basically by turning on your television 679 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 1: and being near those channels. Um, you'll you've probably learned 680 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: everything about the NASCAR lines. We've covered that before. We don't. 681 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: I don't think we need to go back over it. 682 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: We've covered the via manas, the flying machines, and ancient 683 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: Indian ethics. I'd like to look into those and more 684 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: depth at some point. I think it's fast and you know, 685 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,879 Speaker 1: warrants its own its own podcast, because listeners, if you're 686 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: familiar with this, this is the idea that, uh, in 687 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: ancient Indian civilizations there were flying machines that were invented, 688 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: and that there was actually something very close to an 689 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: ancient nuclear war. So we can check that one out 690 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: for sure. I don't know, but see also that doesn't 691 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: necessarily mean that aliens did it. Ancient civilization did it, 692 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: and we're just catting the cycle of building nuclear weapons 693 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: and then destroying civilization, and then building nuclear weapons and 694 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 1: then destroying civilization. The argument of great filters that civil 695 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: that alien civilizations tend to self destruct before they ever 696 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,919 Speaker 1: get to the point where they could communicate with other 697 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: people seems pretty likely. Well, that's all I've got. Certainly, 698 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: something we see, you know, repeating itself, even in the 699 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: short relatively short history of our own planet. You know, 700 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: great civilizations kind of crumbling and then being replaced. Oh 701 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: and that's a that's a scary thing to how how 702 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: how foolish would it sound to an outside civilization to 703 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:08,919 Speaker 1: land right after some devastating war and to say, well, these, 704 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: this group of animals was, this group of biological life 705 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:20,280 Speaker 1: forms was close to getting into interstellar travel. But because 706 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: their tribes didn't get along, they killed everybody. They didn't 707 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: have like a fight club thing with like two leaders, 708 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,279 Speaker 1: do get it out. No, they said, everybody dies. And 709 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: the fish are like us too, And they're like, yes, 710 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, 711 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: cosmically speaking to right. And and when we when, when 712 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: we think about this, how how strange this could be? 713 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: It also brings up a very specific thing that just 714 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 1: reminded me of No. I. If you think about the 715 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: rise and fall of empires, many historians have tried to 716 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: trace this, to find a pattern to the cycle, right 717 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: a frequency, and and if you look at the empire 718 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: that is currently the United States, it's anomalous right now. 719 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,839 Speaker 1: And while you know, we as people don't haven't there's 720 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 1: no one who's been alive as long as the U 721 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,320 Speaker 1: S has that we know of. Uh So, it seems 722 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 1: like it's stable and it seems like it's solid, but 723 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: it's early days yet that's just because inside of it. 724 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 1: And how long will it continue? Will it be or 725 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: will it be around when when we see some sort 726 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: of alien civilization, when humanity or humanities successors strike out 727 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,720 Speaker 1: to the stars. Let us know what you think, folks. 728 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,160 Speaker 1: Let us know if you think there have been instances 729 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,439 Speaker 1: of alien contact. Let us know if you think we'll 730 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,320 Speaker 1: ever find it. Let us know if you think space 731 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 1: is a place for biological entities like us, or if 732 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: we are just here just sort of be the midwives 733 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: for a new form of life. You can find us 734 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,839 Speaker 1: some face speaking Twitter where conspiracy stuff there, and you 735 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: can check out every audio podcast that Noel, Matt and 736 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: I have ever done, and there are quite a few 737 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: now at our website. Stuff they don't want you to 738 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 1: know dot com. And if you don't want to do 739 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: any of that, but you still want to talk to us, 740 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: because why not? What a check? You can send us 741 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,479 Speaker 1: a good old fashioned email. We are conspiracy and how 742 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,800 Speaker 1: stuff works. Dot