1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bobby Brown. I think it's so amazing 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: that a doctor, respected doctor who has, you know, quite 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: a history of working in some of the best hospital 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: has gone to the best schools, decided that what he 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: was doing his profession was not helping people and not 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: working for him. So I love the story that Dr 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: Marvin Singh decided that he needed to do things differently, 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: that he just said, this is not working. He first 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: personally decided he wanted to change his lifestyle, his habits, 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: and how he treated people, and he lost forty five 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: pounds by doing the things that he's teaching people to do. 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: And what I love about him most is when I 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: got him on the phone, we discussed everything that was 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: going on with me, and he just has a way 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: of simply explaining how and why that you can prove 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: some of your symptoms. And I think that that approach 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: to wellness is something that more people need to hear. 19 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: He's also an author, a podcast host, and one of 20 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: the few boards certified integrative gastro entrologists in America. Here's 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: our conversation. So I'm so happy to talk to and 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm really so happy to meet you. Marvin. Likewise, yeah, 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean I should call you Dr saying a lot 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: of people don't really know this about me, but I'm 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: kind of weird. I do things like not the way 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: everyone else does. And how I met you, I'll tell 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: you where I was. I was actually on a little 28 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: boat in sag Harbor with my son, my twenty one 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: year old, driving and my husband co captain ing, and 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: I had a podcasts on because you know, it was bumpy, 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: and I just that's what I do. And I was 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: listening to you being interviewed on Broken Brain, the podcast, 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: and then I guess I commented to you, guys. I 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: don't even know how I actually talk to you. I 35 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: think I saw the comment and I just said thanks 36 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: or something like that back, and then we started talking. 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: Tell us your story because you're a board certified gastro intrologist, 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: that's right. I was very traditionally conservatively trained doctor, you know, 39 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: University of Michigan for my residency, Scripts clinic for my 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: g I training, and my first job was assistant professor 41 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: at Johns Hopkins, so you know, it's a big university, 42 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: academic institution. Everything kind of by the books or writing 43 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: the books, as they would say. After that, I kind 44 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: of felt a little lost in how I practice medicine. 45 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: You know, we do a really good job at taking 46 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: care of people when they're sick, when they're in the hospital, 47 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: when they're bleeding, or when they have cancer. You know, 48 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: we were able to have a lot of technology that 49 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: we can diagnose things and treat things, but that was 50 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: just a really small subset of the people that we 51 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: actually take care of on an ongoing basis. And these 52 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: are the people that you know, up coming to the 53 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: office with the same complaints over and over again and 54 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: just kind of getting shuffle from doctor to doctor to doctor. 55 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: And I think about things and reflect a lot, a 56 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: lot of self reflection, and I was almost questioning my 57 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: ability as a physician. I was thinking, maybe maybe it's me. 58 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm doing something wrong. Maybe I shouldn't be a doctor. Actually, 59 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: I remember vividly telling my wife maybe we should just 60 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: open a bagel shop or something like that. Maybe we 61 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: should just make more people. Yeah, right, So, you know, 62 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: and my wife had always been more of the open 63 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: minded type of person compared to me, more conservative, and 64 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: so she said, why don't you look into integrative medicine. 65 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: Maybe that's kind of the answer you're looking for. And 66 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: I kind of dismissed it immediately said I don't know 67 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: that this is too much. I don't think this is 68 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: what's going to be the solution. And she was a 69 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: little um uh insistent on it and bought me this 70 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: book called Integrative Gas from Trology because that's my fear 71 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: old him, guess from trologists. And so I looked at it, 72 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: flipped through it, and I found it really super interesting. 73 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: It's that Andrew Wild series book. And Jerry Mullen was 74 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: the editor of the book. And I said, you know, 75 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: Jerry is one of my friends from Johns Hopkins because 76 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: we were there together. I emailed him and then we 77 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: talked and he said I told him about the situation, 78 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: kind of what I was feeling and thinking, and he said, 79 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, you really should look into the Integrated Medicine 80 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: Fellowship at the University of Arizona. So I looked into it, 81 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: and I decided, you know what, let's just let's go 82 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: for it. You just you know, take the take the plunge. 83 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: It was kind of a risk quit your job, no no, no, 84 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: I I while working full time, I basically put myself 85 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: through school again. It's a two year fellowship training program. 86 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: So you work all day and come home and go 87 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: upstairs and read until like midnight, you know, and so 88 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: it's done all digital. A lot of it is digital. 89 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: You have to go to Arizona about three times in 90 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: the course of the fellowship for a week to meet 91 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: all the faculty in Iraq with dr while and things 92 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: like that. When I went from my first week, it 93 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: was like total breath of fresh air blown into me. 94 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: Like I was learning about nutrition, I was doing tai 95 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: chi at sunrise and the Arizona desert, and you know, 96 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: it was just things that I would never have imagined 97 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: ever doing in my life. And when I came home, 98 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: I was like just totally rejuvenated. It was excited. I 99 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: started integrating some of these concepts of nutrition and lifestyle 100 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: into my own practice, into our home, and very quickly, 101 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: within like three months, I started just dropping the weight. 102 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,119 Speaker 1: I wasn't even really planning to lose weight. It wasn't 103 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: like my intention, But that's just kind of what happened. 104 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: Did you always have a weight problem or was it 105 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: a slow build? Yeah? I mean, you know, as a doctor, 106 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: you think you're kind of eating healthy things are okay. 107 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: But I think in my fellowship, I started to realize 108 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: that I had a problem because I was over two 109 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: hundred pounds and my liver ensigns were elevated and I 110 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: had fatty liver. But I thought I was doing every thing. Okay. 111 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: You know, I have a sandwich and bag of chips 112 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: and a Coke zero for lunch. That's healthy, right, Like, 113 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: who told you that was okay? We don't know. I 114 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: mean that that's what we think is okay. Oh where 115 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm not drinking coke. I'm drinking Coke zero. I'm having 116 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: a sandwich, not a slice of pizza. You know, that's 117 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: kind of that's how we think. You think that's you know, 118 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: that's good. That's how a lot of people think. And 119 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: it's really eye opening when you actually understand what real 120 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: nutrition is. They don't really teach us too much about 121 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff in school or residency or fellowship. 122 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: So take me through like a normal day, like what 123 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: you eat when I'm at home these days that usually 124 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm doing intermittent fasting, So in the morning, I'm really 125 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: not eating anything. I might have a black coffee or 126 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: green tea or something like that and then lunchtime, I 127 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: have a huge salad. So what you don't eat from 128 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: how many hours? Usually about sixteen hours, so by sometimes 129 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: even less than that. My window is even tighter because 130 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: it depends on the schedule at work, whether I have 131 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: time to eat at ten or eleven o'clock or I 132 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: just wait till lunchtime and you're not starving. No, it 133 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: takes a little bit of some getting used to. Actually, 134 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: the other day, I did a twenty four hour fast 135 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: just to kind of, you know, rejuvenate myself, and I 136 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: wasn't hungry at all until I ate. It was just 137 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: this is weird. I mean, your body just kind of 138 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: adapts to that. Just like you think you're never going 139 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: to be able to eat asparagus because it's just not 140 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: something you grew up eating. But once you start eating asparagus, 141 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: you find that that's the only thing you can think about. 142 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: You crave it. So you your first meal is usually 143 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: around noon, usually around new maybe a little bit before that, 144 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: depending on the schedule. Okay, and what what's your salad 145 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: to bring it from home? To get bring it from home? Yeah, 146 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: my wife is very kind and makes my lunch for 147 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: me every day, so tell me what what she puts 148 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: in your salad. She'll vary it sometimes, but there will 149 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: be some romaine with maybe some mixed greens in there's well, carrots, cucumbers, 150 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: bell peppers, onions. Will put some flax or hemp seeds 151 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,679 Speaker 1: in there, and usually her nut of choices, pecans because 152 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: she loves pecans. Sometimes you put wal nuts because I 153 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: like walnuts a little bit better. And then the dressing 154 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: is like a olive oil and balsamic mix. So just 155 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: very simple. So no protein for lunch. Not usually. Sometimes 156 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: she might have a hard boiled egg in there. Even 157 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: that salad with an egg might be like too much 158 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: for me. See, I'm such a crunch person, like like 159 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: I just found some gluten free gg crackers. I'm so happy. 160 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: So you don't need like a piece of toast, a 161 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: piece of bread rice quene wa. The romaine is the crunch, 162 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: I guess, okay, And then when do you eat again? 163 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: Dinner at home? So you eat nothing snacks, salad, and 164 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: then you eat dinner. And what's your dinner Dinner depends 165 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: on I guess what the kids are feeling. But often 166 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: that may be the time when we have meat. If 167 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: we have meat, and there'll be a bunch of vegetables 168 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: there as well. And then after dinner you're done, done, 169 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: No no fruit, no dessert. I might I mean I 170 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: might have some berry with some cinnamon sprinkle on top. 171 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: That's kind of like my my specialty dessert. And once 172 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: in a while I'll have an organic piece of dark 173 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: chocolate if I feel like it. That's just the like 174 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: it's so clean, but it's so kind of like you're 175 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: missing all this good stuff. Well, there's plenty of good 176 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: stuff there, yeah, But I mean like like, if you 177 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: went to France, would you eat the French bread? Probably 178 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: you would, Okay, And you are now in New York 179 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: and you did admit that you had Chinese food? Was 180 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: it worth it? Today it's not worth it, But last 181 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: night it was worth it. I'm a huge believer in 182 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: flexibility and adaptability. Otherwise you're just it's hard to function. 183 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: You sees people at you know, parties and things like 184 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: that where they like, no, I can't eat that, I 185 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: can't eat that. I I strongly believe that part of 186 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: being alive and healthy and well isn't enjoying life as well. 187 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: So it's more important what you do most of the 188 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: time than what you do once in a while. So 189 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: like my aim is saying is that you should eat 190 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: cake on your birthday. It's good to eat cake on 191 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: your birthday. You should celebrate your birthday. Just don't eat 192 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: cake every day. That's when you have a problem and 193 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: you don't think you'll ever incorporate breakfast I do. I mean, 194 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: actually today I had steel cut oatmeal with berries on top, 195 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: mainly because the lady in the hotel told me that 196 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: you could not just sit and drink coffee because some 197 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: people say don't eat oatmeal. Like, I feel like there's 198 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: experts out there that are constantly telling you what not 199 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: to do. You can't have oatmeal, you can't have eggs. 200 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: You should have egg whites. No, you should only eat eggs. 201 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: I think it's so complicated out there. Yeah, you don't 202 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: you know why there's only one expert on this planet 203 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: that exists. It's you. Yeah, everybody is totally different. I 204 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: mean there was even a study earlier this year that 205 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: they looked at thirty some odd people I think thirty 206 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: four thirty two people and they followed them for seventeen 207 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: days and they checked their microbiome every day, and what 208 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: they determine was that within each individual you could predict 209 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: what changes in the microbiome might occur based on what 210 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: foods they were going to eat, but that was not 211 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: generalizable across the entire group of people. So if I 212 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: ate broccoli, I might have five different changes in my 213 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: microbiome that might produce five chemical changes in my body. 214 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: And you might have five different changes in your microbiome 215 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: that might produce five different chemical changes in your body 216 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: for eating the same broccoli. And I might be good 217 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: and you might be bad. We're only ten to similar 218 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: in our gut microbiome. So explain to me this whole 219 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: gut microbiome has exploded over the past couple of years. 220 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: Like I, you know, five years ago, we didn't know 221 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: what it was. Yeah, we took you know, acidophilis because 222 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: we we heard we should. So how do you know 223 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: that your gut is healthy? And there's all these now 224 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: doctors that are coming out with these cleanses that you've 225 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: got to remove all the bad things and then replace, 226 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: Like what do you think about all that? I think 227 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: the one thing that we all agree on is you've 228 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: got to remove the bad things and put in the 229 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: good things. It's what exactly is the good thing for 230 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: your body that is dependent on you individually. The bad 231 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: things that we all universally agree on are like, you know, 232 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: the vegetable oils, the fried foods, the saturated fat, the 233 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: hydrogenated fat, all those kind of things, you know, process 234 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: packaged food. We all agree that those are not good. 235 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: And then what kind of diet pattern do you follow 236 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: to optimize your gut health. That's the tricky part because 237 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: a lot of this health and wellness stuff has been 238 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: highly marketed for certain belief systems, and so you find 239 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: certain pockets of people, you know, following one direction or another, 240 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of marketing behind that, and people 241 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: are generally lost because they don't really know what's best 242 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: for them. They see, oh, this guy, you know, he 243 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: wrote a good book and he sells these products, So 244 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to try that just because I like what 245 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: he has to say. Maybe that's what I have to do. 246 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: And they follow based on that, They're not really following 247 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: necessarily based on them or listening to what their body 248 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: is saying. And everybody is so different, But how do 249 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: you find out what your body needs? That's what I 250 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: love helping people figure out So I started as clinic 251 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: called Precision Clinic, and we do really in depth analysis 252 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: of people's bodies, their microbiome, food sensitivity testing, chemical sensitivities, 253 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: the whole body imaging, brain imaging, heart imaging, all these 254 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: kind of things, and I put it all together. If 255 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: I was gonna do you, we we would go through 256 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: all the testing and then on a day like a Saturday, 257 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: when I'm not working, you know, seeing patients in the office, 258 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: I'll literally block off six to eight hours and I'll 259 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: be sitting there looking at Bobby's results and analyzing everything 260 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: and creating like an executive summary. Then I sit down 261 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: and I say, based on your genes, and based on 262 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: what your microbiome is saying, and based on your leaky 263 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: gut analysis and all this, I think this is how 264 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: you should eat. I think these are the things you 265 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: should avoid. This is a way to clean up your environment, 266 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: and this is how you should exercise. And we kind 267 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: of go through all this step by step, and then 268 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: I kind of guide them through the process. Is very 269 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: overwhelming to get all this information as well, so it's 270 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: important to have somebody to kind of guide them through it. 271 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: But for most people, if they're not in San Diego. 272 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: They don't have access to you, they don't have the 273 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: money to pay for it because insurance I'm sure doesn't 274 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: cover most of those things. How does a normal person 275 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: become healthier versions of themselves? I think if you were 276 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: to say, you're like stuck on an island, but you 277 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: have all the food and all the resources, but you 278 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: have no doctors and no tests. Even some of the 279 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: tests are actually becoming much more affordable because as there 280 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: as the technology advances and they're able to do things quicker, 281 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: then the cost goes down. If you look at sequencing 282 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: the whole genome on the Clinton administration had Craig Venture 283 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: do that for the first time, I think it was 284 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: like a hundred million dollars, And now you can get 285 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: a whole genome sequencing done for like three thousand dollars. 286 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: So you say, three thousand dollars a lot of money, 287 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: but it's not a hundred million dollars, And in the 288 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: coming years that maybe three hundred dollars. So I don't know, 289 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, and what what kind of information does that 290 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: give you? So it'll show you, you know, what what 291 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: diseases you may have, risk for how your body may 292 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: process certain things like caffeine and if you have a 293 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: risk for high hypertension or heart attack based on that 294 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: and salt and take and kind of helps you understand 295 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: your risk so that you can understand how to live 296 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: for the future. So if it tells you you can't 297 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: drink coffee and you love coffee, uh huh, you have 298 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: to quit. It tells you there's this particular gene we're 299 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: talking about regarding coffee. I actually have that gene. Unfortunately, 300 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: probably my worst gene. Drink coffee. I drink coffee, but 301 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: you're allowed two hundred milligrams of caffeine, so that's like 302 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: two cups of coffee, which is not bad. I mean 303 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: usually have one or two cups. Yeah, And actually I 304 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: always did notice, never knew why if I ever pushed 305 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: to have a third cup of coffee, just historically over 306 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: the last many years, I would get a headache or 307 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: I'd start feel jittery. And when I did the gene 308 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: test on myself, I figured, well, that's probably why, because 309 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: I don't metabolize the caffeine that well, and so that 310 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: jitteriness is just my body saying enough. But I think 311 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: you know someone like me who's very in touch with 312 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: what happens when I eat certain foods, and and because 313 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: my body is not as clean as yours, but it's 314 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: cleaner than most people. When I do something that's not 315 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: on my okay list, I don't feel good, I think 316 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: because either I'm more sensitive or I just noticed. So 317 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: I have a double expresso every morning, I'm fine. If 318 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: I ever have a cup of coffee in the afternoon, 319 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: I instantly yawn and feel tired, and I don't feel well. 320 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: So I don't need the test. I just don't drink 321 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: that cup of coffee exactly. So that was actually going 322 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: to be my point where we were talking about being 323 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: on the island with all the resources and food but 324 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: no doctor or tests. Really, the best doctor that you 325 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: have access to is your body. Your body will do 326 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: the best job that it can under your circumstances and 327 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: in your environment if you help it as best as 328 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: you can by listening to what it needs. And a 329 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: lot of the times we are not tuned into our bodies, 330 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: were listening to somebody else what somebody else's experiences with 331 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: regards to their body. But that's how we as humans 332 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: are kind of programmed to think that, oh, well, this 333 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: guy did this, So I'm gonna do this and I'm 334 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: gonna get healthy too. So there's a lot of stuff 335 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: that you can figure out that you couldn't figure out 336 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: from a test. Even Also so actually, in my in 337 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: my consultations, the first visit is actually a test, I 338 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: tell everybody because we sit and talk for ninety minutes 339 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: and there's no test on the planet that can really 340 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: replace the conversation. And so just talking to somebody and 341 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: learning about their life and their background, how they grew up, 342 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: what stressors are, there's no test that can that can 343 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: tell you that information. And so that's actually the first 344 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: part of the puzzle. What's kind of your like health 345 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: coach on top of being a doctor exactly? So is 346 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: your is your practice now mostly gastro? Is it weight loss? 347 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: Like where are you? And your everywhere? Everywhere? Okay, I'm 348 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: gonna drive your wife crazy, you know, it's like I 349 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: don't know where I am some days they're not. So 350 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: I have a regular gastro practice where I do colin 351 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 1: ospy's and endospi is just like anyone else. And this 352 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: precision Clinic is a second practice that I started. So 353 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: the diagnosis like leaky gut cebo all of those other ones, 354 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: Are they real? And why do people get cebo? Yeah? 355 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: I think they're all real. I think they're all manifestations 356 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: of a similar spec from a problem, and that problem 357 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: is called dysbiosis or an imbalance in the gut microbiome. 358 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: And why there's an imbalance in the gut microbiome could 359 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: be due to a number of factors. Some of the 360 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: common things alcohol, smoking, other toxins, diet choices, stress, not 361 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: sleeping enough or well enough, um, not exercising, you know, 362 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: all of these kind of things that sound really basic 363 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: when you say them, but it's not a basic process 364 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: that happens inside the body. It's actually very complicated and 365 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: simple at the same time. That's actually the more and 366 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: more I start reading and learning about things over the 367 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: last several years, the more fascinated I become with the 368 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: human body. I mean, if you look at all the 369 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: studies on how to improve your DNA health, how to 370 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: improve your gut health, how to improve your motochondrial health, 371 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: all these are like the big buzzwords out there, and 372 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: you look at what all the common factors are with 373 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: regards to how to optimize each of these areas. It's 374 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: the same kind of stuff. There's nothing special. You can 375 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: read a book on motochondrial health and they might tell 376 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: you to take a couple of different maybe supplements, but 377 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: the general basic principles are the same as for gut 378 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: health and for DNA health. And what we're doing is 379 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: basically scientifically proving now that all of these various different 380 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: kinds of lifestyle elements help optimize these different parts of 381 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: your body. And so where one program will say, okay, 382 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: you should eat broccoli, you should have onions, it's got 383 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: good prebiotics. But then if you have SEBO, they tell 384 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: you to follow a fod map diet. Yeah, so it's 385 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: it's complicated for most of us out there. Yeah, that's 386 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: why listening to your body and seeing what symptoms you 387 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: have when you eat particular kinds of foods is important. 388 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: Just because you may have se bo or bloating now 389 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,479 Speaker 1: and it might be a good idea to avoid the 390 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: fod map foods now doesn't necessarily mean that that's how 391 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: it would have to be forever. Because from what I understood, 392 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: if you follow a fod MAP diet, it takes away 393 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: the symptoms, but it doesn't get rid of the CBO. 394 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: So people probably don't know what CEBO is. So CEBO, 395 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: as s I b O stands for small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. 396 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: So we have trillions and trillions of bacteria in our 397 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: gut microbiome, and majority of them live in the colon, 398 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: but they do live in all parts of our gi tract. 399 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: And when there's an overgrowth or an imbalance of these 400 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: bacteria in our small intestine, which is about twenty ft long, 401 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: then we start feeling symptoms bloating, sometimes people have diarrhea 402 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: or constipation or a mix of both. That's a largely 403 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: a result of fermentation that these bacteria do have the 404 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: food that you're eating. And so foods that are highly 405 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: fermentable are some of these fod MAP foods that we're 406 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: talking about. A lot of these are very healthy, like 407 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: cabbage and Brussels sprouts and cauliflower and avocado, yeah, even 408 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: avocat and so these are all health foods we talk about. 409 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: So people will go and you know, I'm gonna eat 410 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: all these foods you're telling me that they're good to eat. 411 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat plant based, But I can't eat any 412 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: of these plant based foods because I have these symptoms, 413 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: avoiding the foods that you know cause your problem, and 414 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: then addressing the actual cause of the sebow, and then 415 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: trying to slowly, sequentially reintroduce some of these foods may 416 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: be able to kind of help bring balance back. And 417 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: and that's kind of what I work. And it's a process. 418 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: It's not something that you can take one magic pill 419 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: and overnight you know you're miraculously cure not come on, 420 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: maybe just come up with some kind of magic pill 421 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: and be so much easier. It's because the body is 422 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: simple and complicated. There's a lot of things going on 423 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: at the same time. So you know, your sebow could 424 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: be caused by not sleeping well, alcohol and and alcohol 425 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: and being stressed. A lot of those three things go together. 426 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: I sleep well and the other things I can promise. 427 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: You can say, well, I stopped eating fod maps, So 428 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: why why do I still have symptoms? Was because that's 429 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: just part of the process. That's not the entire process. 430 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: And that's actually the hard part because it involves behavior change. 431 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: But I think that I am so much better than 432 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: I was before. And I don't know if it's anything 433 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: I did except a mindset I said to myself, just 434 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: eat the best possible food you could eat, listen to yourself, 435 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: and don't feel bad about you know what you're eating. 436 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: You know, I think that has helped me a lot. 437 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: Like I I feel a lot better than I did 438 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: when I you know, I was crying to you on 439 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: the phone because I literally I just said, you know 440 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: what enough. I just if my stomach hearts, it's because 441 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm making myself crazy, and I don't know, I think 442 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: I've willed myself into feeling better. Yeah, I I strongly 443 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: believe that too. I mean, sometimes if you just put 444 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: yourself in the right mindset, take some deep breath, do 445 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: that for seven eight breath, and Dr Wild teaches you 446 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: just kind of rebalance yourself because your body listens to 447 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: all of these method sages. It's very very cool and 448 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: fascinating at the same time. So Dr While is a 449 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: mentor definitely. Yeah. I met him once years ago. You know, 450 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: tell me, tell me what he means to you, and 451 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: tell me what he's like. It's a really gentle guy, 452 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: very very soft spoken, very smart, intelligent. It's almost just 453 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: listening to him walk you through a meditation practice is surreal. 454 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: It's very peaceful. He's actually the one on the the 455 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: Fellowship the first week, the one that actually teaches you 456 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: through the for seven eight breath. But his his eating, 457 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: he eats like he eats normal. He doesn't do intermittent fasting. 458 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: I don't know about intermittent fast he's I don't know 459 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: whether he eats meat or not. Actually he eats regular meals. 460 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been to his restaurants. Fantastic. Yeah, do 461 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: you have one in San Diego? We have to. We 462 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: don't have any in New York yet. But when you 463 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: sit down at these restaurants, they're called Drew Food Kitchen. 464 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: They have one in Chicago where my sister lives. The 465 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: flax crackers, you know, are the best things. I don't 466 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: know why he doesn't just put those in a box 467 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: to sell them. They're so good. And because he doesn't, 468 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,239 Speaker 1: they don't serve bread at the restaurant. Yeah, but they 469 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: do serve alcoholohol to get a cocktail. Because he does 470 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: teach I don't know. I don't won't say moderation because 471 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: he's not saying, you know, go eat French fries. But 472 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, maybe if you bake sweet potato fries. But 473 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: he teaches you like a better version of regular food exactly. 474 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: So if you take a high quality ingredient versus a 475 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: low quality ingredient of the same food, it's it's different. 476 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: You get a different nutrient profile, it tastes better, it's 477 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: healthier for you. Even something as simple as an apple, 478 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: you ever compared just a regular apple and an organic 479 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: apple or broccoli, even just looking at it, smelling it 480 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: as you cut it, it's a different food. So sometimes 481 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: when I'm at a restaurant, I usually order off the restaurant. 482 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: I eat out a lot, which probably is, you know, 483 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: not the best thing, and I usually order off the menu. 484 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: I just said, give me a piece of old fish, 485 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: nothing on its steam, vegetables. But sometimes when everyone's looking 486 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: at the menu, I kind of play a game with myself. 487 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, if it wasn't fattening, I wouldn't get 488 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: a headache or a stomachache, I wouldn't feel gross. What 489 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: would I eat? And you know, the truth is I 490 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: would probably get a cheeseburger and fries or you know, 491 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: or I would get you know, I don't like French toast, 492 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: but I would get something where I usually make my 493 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: choices on what I'm what's not going to make me 494 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: feel bad. You know, I've turned it into you know, 495 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: what I believe in. But I realized there are some 496 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: people that could eat things and not get affected by them. 497 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: How is it affecting them. Maybe they don't get indigestion, 498 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: maybe they don't our burn, maybe they don't gain weight, 499 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: but maybe the lipopolysacharade in their body start shooting through 500 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: the roof and the CRP starts going up and and 501 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: they don't really know that in the background, they're brewing 502 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: this inflammatory storm inside of their body and one day 503 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: it will show up in one form or another of 504 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: a disease or something. Yeah, this is chronic disease or 505 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: chronic inflammation. We talk about all the time. It's another buzzword. Yes, 506 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: there's so many buzzwords. So I think your job is 507 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: to try to figure out how to help people and 508 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: de buzz and navigate navigate through life basically, because no 509 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: matter what, no matter how good you are or how 510 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: perfect you think you are, there is always, I guarantee 511 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: it going to be a time when then there's a 512 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: problem and you're gonna get derailed, whether it's you're in 513 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: a car accident, somebody you know bumped into you from behind, 514 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: or whether you tripped and broke your ankle, or god forbid, 515 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: if loved one passes away. We're not invincible. We're humans. 516 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: Life is going to happen no matter what. That's something 517 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: that we have no control over. You can listen to 518 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: the cues that your body tells you. Then you can 519 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: kind of navigate through this time period and in these 520 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: tough times pass and then you can regroup after that. 521 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: And so what advice would you have for the people 522 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: that are listening and who knows where they are and 523 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: you know where they're working, and they don't they don't 524 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: know what to do? Like where do people start? By 525 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: reflecting on what's going on in your life and just 526 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: ask yourself a simple question to say, I have you 527 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: know all these issues and problems to deal with right now? 528 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: Say I fast forward one year into the future and 529 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: all those problems are gone. Just I feel like a 530 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: million bucks. I look like a million bucks. I'm on 531 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: top of the world. Then sit down with a piece 532 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: of paper and a pen and write down for yourself 533 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: the story how did you get from point A to 534 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: point B? They're in is probably the outline to your 535 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: lifestyle plan. It's really good, simple advice. Yeah, so I'm 536 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: going to ask you a speed round. Okay, besides this week, 537 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: what's the last time you do railed? And what did 538 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: you eat? Probably my son's birthday party last month? There 539 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: was nothing meal y, so I ate a slice of 540 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: pizza And how did you feel? I was fine, it 541 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: was good. I don't yeah, I mean, I mean, I 542 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: think it's part of American culture. You know, I don't 543 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: know how you could live in this country and not 544 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 1: eat pizza in some form or another. Very rarely do 545 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,479 Speaker 1: I eat pizza, Very rarely do I have like, you know, 546 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: greasy cheeseburger or French fries or something I don't. I 547 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: don't touch that anymore. If I feel like having something bubbly, 548 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: I'll have like San Pellegrino. That's my new obsession. I guess. 549 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: Do you have a cocktail of choice? What I like 550 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: to do if I'm going to have a cocktail is 551 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: may get some vodka and put with San Pellegrino. I 552 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: don't drink like the soda water or anything like that. 553 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I've been known to have a 554 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: glass of Scotch once in a while, not a glass, 555 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: but you know what did lass. Yeah, not a whole glass, well, 556 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: you say, to glass of scotch. Yeah, yeah, as long 557 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: as you know you're not abusing it or you have 558 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: a problem, or you're drinking a bottle or half a 559 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: bottle all the time your body. I think it's actually 560 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: good to kind of stress the body with a little 561 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: bit of these things once in a while as well. Interestingly, 562 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: I do have a gene that says that I have 563 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: a I think sixty or sixty six reduced risk of 564 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: heart disease. If I drink two drinks a day. Wow, 565 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: you're so lucky you have. That's a good gene. Yeah, 566 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: that's a really good And I don't even drink to 567 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: drinks any ever, and maybe be better for your house. 568 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: So if I have a drink once in a while, 569 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: I don't feel so bad about it anymore. And what 570 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: do you do to fall asleep at night? Usually I 571 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: fall asleep pretty easily. I don't have a hard time 572 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: falling asleep. What will knock me out in like a 573 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: second is I'll just lie down and I'll do a 574 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: deep breathing exercises. Sometimes I may it on headphones and 575 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 1: listen to like a guided meditation. But I don't do 576 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: that really much anymore. In the earlier days, when I 577 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: was first learning about these kind of things and seeing 578 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: how it affects me, I would do that. But these 579 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: days I just if I say, Okay, I'm gonna do 580 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: for seven eight breath for example, I don't even think 581 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: I make it to eight breaths. I'm done. I'm already asleep. 582 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: What's your morning routine? What time do you get up? 583 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: It depends on if I'm doing a podcast or not. Actually, 584 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: as I started my own podcast, so a lot of 585 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: people are on the East Coast, and so I'm up 586 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: at like five five thirty to to do an interview, 587 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: but otherwise around six six thirty. And what do you 588 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: do since you don't eat to work out? You know, 589 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm not a morning workout person. I just I've never 590 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: my whole life been able to say I'm gonna wake 591 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: up and I'm gonna work out first thing in the morning. 592 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: I know people wake up, they go to their spin 593 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: class at four or five o'clock in the morning. I 594 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: just can't do that. I'd rather sleep an extra hour. 595 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: But I will do that in the evening when I 596 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: come back from work, and I don't do it at night. 597 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: I have to do it first thing, not not at five, 598 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: but seven o'clock. Is everybody has theories on when's the 599 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: best time to exercise, but I tell people the best 600 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: time to exercise is when you exercise exactly. So what's 601 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: your coffee recipe? What's your tea? My coffee is usually 602 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: just black. Once in a while, I might put a 603 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: little splash of half and half in it. But I'll 604 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: tell you what my coffee routine used to be. I 605 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: used to put to splendors and generous amount of half 606 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,959 Speaker 1: and half in the coffee, literally a diabetes bomb, you know. 607 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, this was like five years 608 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: or more ago, that splendid is better than sugar, because 609 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: that's what everybody says. So I'm going to do that. 610 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: During this whole process of kind of revamping my own life, 611 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I'm gonna do this, and I'm 612 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: gonna do this slowly. So I went from too splendors 613 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: to one splendor, and then from one splendid to no splendor. 614 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: And then I went from a modern amount of half 615 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: and half to a splash. And you know, if I 616 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: want to put a little splash in it as a 617 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: treat once in a while, do that. But I'm fine 618 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: drinking black coffee now. And I actually grew a taste 619 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: for espresso. I drink espresso and I do a cap 620 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: full of half and half, like I try the coconut milk, 621 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: and I just don't love it, not the sweet you know, 622 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: touch a half and half and it's organic. So what 623 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: is your last workout? We have a peloton actually at home. Oh, good, 624 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: me too. I'll have to ratio. Yeah, I don't do 625 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: it very I still can't figure out how to work 626 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: out with people together. I know you can have friends 627 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but I don't. You can't. Actually 628 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: you can coordinate because my kids do it. I haven't 629 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: figured that out either, But you have kids, they'll help 630 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: you figure out. And what's the last book you read? Well? 631 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: I reread for the second time Dale Bredicon's book The 632 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: End of Alzheimer's. A large portion of our risk for 633 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's comes from lifestyle issues, and so we can prevent 634 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: and in a lot of cases reverse some of the 635 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: early inflammation and issues that are underlying Alzheimer's. And so 636 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: it's a very awesome, fascinating book. So I read it 637 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: twice if I read a book twice, and that means 638 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: it's really good. There's only a few books that I've 639 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: actually had to read two or three times. Even. Do 640 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: you read books that aren't medical books or self help 641 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: books or wellness books, I mean actually novels, fiction fiction. Um, 642 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: it's been a little while since I since I had 643 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: a book like that, But I read all kinds of topics, 644 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of what helped me develop 645 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 1: as a person and as a healer. I read books 646 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: on child psychiatry. I'll read books on quantum theory, which 647 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: is those are like the kind of the craziest ones, 648 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: like why are you reading about quantum theory? I don't 649 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: even understand necessarily half of it, But it's really funny 650 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: because a lot of the stuff all ties intogether. There. 651 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: When you take some of those principles and you kind 652 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: of boiled them down, and you read a book on 653 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: transcendental meditation, and then you go read a book on mindfulness, 654 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: and then you read a book on got health, you 655 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: kind of get this whole feeling of this theme. And 656 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: over the last several years, I've probably done over a 657 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 1: hundred books or so from wide variety of people I read, 658 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, Yoga Nanda's book, you know Dave Asprey's books, 659 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: all of Mark Hyman's books. All these things kind of 660 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: fascinating to me, and they all kind of help weave 661 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: the picture of what the human life is about. And 662 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: when's your book coming out? I have a book, The 663 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: Textbook of Integrative gast Frontrology, that actually just came out 664 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: with the second edition. So that book that my wife 665 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: made me read, forced me to read, that really brought 666 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: me into this field. It's funny how that's actually the 667 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: book that I ended up becoming an editor for in 668 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: the end. So that same book now I READID with 669 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: some of my colleagues and we we produced that just 670 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. And I and you send 671 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: it to me, and I'm going to dive into it. 672 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: It takes it's very very in depth. Got health expert. 673 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: I'm trying, but I'm so happy that you came here 674 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: to talk to me. I think you're fascinating and I 675 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: just think it's so cool what you have done personally 676 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: for yourself and that you're on this journey to help 677 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: all of us. Thank you, Thank you for having me. Yeah, 678 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: thanks so much for more podcasts from I heart Radio, 679 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: visit the i heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever 680 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.