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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy pros. This is the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Football podcast that is Me Joey P joe Pisipa, and

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Speaker 1: today we're gonna take a look at the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six breakouts via Pat fitz Morris. That's right, our own

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Speaker 1: Patty Cakes has made a top ten list and I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to get to number one on this list.

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Speaker 1: You gotta watch the entire shows. They get all the

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Speaker 1: way there, no fast forwarding, because these names are going

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Speaker 1: to win you some fantasy leagues in at twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: The NFL Draft is just days away. Now make sure

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Speaker 1: you stay with us for all of our coverage. And

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Speaker 1: guess who's gonna be there live me Joey P. So

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Speaker 1: here also on the program, By the way, I forget you,

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Speaker 1: he's sitting quietly in the corner for once, for once

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Speaker 1: on this show the Athletics Jake Seely, Who's gonna give

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Speaker 1: some more insights to some of the players that Pat's

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Speaker 1: gonna go into. So before I turn the floor over

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Speaker 1: to Pat. Jake, it seems like you had something on

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Speaker 1: your mind you wanted to share with the all today.

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna be in Pittsburgh?

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Speaker 1: I will be in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to Pittsburgh?

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Speaker 1: We just become best friends.

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Speaker 2: I'm up there for the Dane Brewler Beast like giveaway

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Speaker 2: type stuff. So we're gonna be answering fancy pre draft

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Speaker 2: and all that type of stuff. So where are you

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday? Because maybe we need to get together? Well?

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Speaker 1: Are you staying Thursday for the draft too?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I'm not that cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I will be checking into a hotel

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Speaker 1: sometime late Wednesday evening. So okay, I don't understand why

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Speaker 1: you're not. Just so you're going all the way for

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Speaker 1: the draft and you're leaving the day before the draft.

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Speaker 1: That makes no sense. Pat, have you ever heard a

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Speaker 1: dumber thing in your entire life? In that? Like? Who

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Speaker 1: drives all the way to Pittsburgh? You're flying?

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Speaker 2: This is company? This company.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jake Zeey, I work for the Athletic They'll fly

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Speaker 1: me all over the country.

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Speaker 2: Pat, not true?

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Speaker 1: Who goes to Pittsburgh the night before the draft and

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Speaker 1: doesn't stay?

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Speaker 2: That's that was my question.

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Speaker 3: Good, good question. That's okay, But I've just I'm more

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Speaker 3: interested in finding out if you guys are going to

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Speaker 3: meet up at Primante Brothers and have the sandwich with

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Speaker 3: the f slaw right on it. Permantes famous sandwich shop,

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Speaker 3: which I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, but it's Permanni Brothers.

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Speaker 1: It is you. You got it right there, So it's.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of that. I got the hamburger with

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Speaker 2: the parogi on it when I was up there.

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Speaker 3: This one they dumped the fries and the slaw go

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Speaker 3: right on the sandwich.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done that before.

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Speaker 1: Here the Premanning Brothers is not as appealing to me,

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Speaker 1: but yes, I will be there Wednesday Thursday, we got

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Speaker 1: a flag football tournament on the weekend regionals, so we

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Speaker 1: did not win the Ravens Regional. We came close, but

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Speaker 1: we fell short. So now we traveled to Pittsburgh and

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Speaker 1: while I'm there, I figured out I'll just hang out

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Speaker 1: and cover the NFL Draft and take my daughter with

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Speaker 1: me too, So fun day for her. She gets to

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Speaker 1: see the NFL Draft and then gets to play a

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Speaker 1: little NFL flag on the weekend. They're pretty cool. All right,

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Speaker 1: so let's get to some of the names on the

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Speaker 1: breakout list here, and let's start with a running back

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Speaker 1: who missed some time in twenty twenty five and in

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Speaker 1: at the running back position. It's Bucky Irving, who we

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Speaker 1: thirty three pat in this mix because unfortunately, like I said,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if breakout is really the best term

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Speaker 3: fade for them in twenty twenty six drafts. The Buccaneers

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Speaker 3: point four percent. But I want to push back on

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Speaker 3: the idea that Bucky Irving's workload is under siege. Like

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Speaker 3: Kenneth Gainwell is a replacement for Rashad White as a

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Speaker 3: backup and third down back. Gainwell averaged six point seven

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Speaker 3: The idea that the Buccaneers are somehow disenchanted with Bucky

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Speaker 3: just silly. They were so disenchanted with Bucky last year

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Speaker 3: that he averaged twenty point three carries a game, like,

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Speaker 3: is it possibly gets poached on goal line carries? Again? Yes, totally.

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Speaker 3: I don't think anyone was really buying Bucky Irving for

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Speaker 3: the touchdowns in last year's draft. People were buying him

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Speaker 3: because he averaged eighteen point five touches and one hundred

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Speaker 3: off in effectiveness. I'm not going to put all on

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Speaker 3: last year. To my eye, Bucky Irving was pretty much

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Speaker 3: the same guy last year that he was in twenty

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Speaker 3: thought he looked good and maximized his runs. The big

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Speaker 3: gans just weren't there. But we always talk about how

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Speaker 3: there just aren't that many work horses in the NFL

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Speaker 3: last season and a half, and we just want to

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Speaker 3: kick him to the curb. If everyone is fading Bucky

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Speaker 3: on him.

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Speaker 2: Jake, That's a.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting case for Bucky Irving because I'm sure a

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Speaker 1: lot of people will read maybe too much into the

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Gainwell acquisition. And then on top of that, you

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Speaker 1: do have the inefficiencies that Pat touched on. Do you

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Speaker 1: think the inefficiencies were more based on his returning from

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Speaker 1: the Kenneth Gainwell addition to this roster. Are you concerned

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Speaker 2: So to the first point, Pat brought up a lot

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Speaker 2: of numbers that I had down to forty eighth, by

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Speaker 2: the way, in percent of rushes for ten plus yards

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Speaker 2: six point four percent, it was stuffed twenty one percent

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Speaker 2: of the time. So all those numbers that Pat said,

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Speaker 2: those are two more that I had on my list

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Speaker 2: as well. Where to add into your second part of

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Speaker 2: your question, I actually do think some of it was injury,

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Speaker 2: and some of it was not just his own injury.

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Speaker 2: Pat brought it up. I think a lot of it

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Speaker 2: had to do with the offensive line. The offense as

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of concerns for Bucky Irving

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Speaker 2: the Kenneth Gainwell one where the one aspect I do

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Speaker 2: have slight and it's not major concern. I completely agree

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Speaker 2: with Fitz. He's replacing Rishad white Well. Buckyervey saw a

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Speaker 2: going to be Kenneth Gamewell's job? And then we lose

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Speaker 2: that for Bucky Irving and then we were stuck to

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Speaker 2: the rushing side of it. Here's the good thing that

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Speaker 2: I wanted to bring up. We're going to Zach Robinson.

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Speaker 2: What does Zach Robinson do wide zone rushing schemes? What

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Speaker 2: is Bucky Irvin succel at wide zone rushing? The downside

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Speaker 2: to that, Kenneth Gambell also works well in zone rushing,

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Speaker 2: as we've seen with the Eagles and last year as well.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's a concern that some people will

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Speaker 2: think it's kind of like your confirmation bias here, if

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Speaker 2: you're concerned about Kenneth Gamewell, I don't think Fits or

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Speaker 2: of it, like you're concerned about him. Everything we bring

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Speaker 2: you can make for Game. Well, I'm more with Fits

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Speaker 2: as an RB two, not an RB one next year.

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Speaker 2: But I think that a lot of people are so

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be with Fits and having a lot

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to number nine on the list here,

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Speaker 1: and it's quarterback and Malik Willis now with the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: He had a eight game in Week seventeen where he

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Speaker 1: dropped thirty one and a half Fantasy points QB three

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Speaker 1: against the Ravens, and it seemed impressive in theory until

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Speaker 1: maybe it's not quite as impressive as we thought it

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Speaker 1: might be. However, a lot of teams were in the

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Speaker 1: Malik Willis sweepstakes, and Pat, you feel like that a

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Speaker 1: lot of fantasy teams in super Flex should be in

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Speaker 1: that sweepstakes as well. Do you even believe potentially that

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Speaker 1: Malik Willis could be a guy that in deeper leagues

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Speaker 1: you even want in single quarterback because of what rushing

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Speaker 1: upside he might hold in this Miami Dolphins offense.

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Speaker 3: I do, Joe, and I wonder if I think Malik

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Speaker 3: Willis was going to be trendy in one QB drafts

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Speaker 3: before the Jalen Waddle trade. Now I think people are

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Speaker 3: gonna be scared off. So in six career starts, Malik

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Speaker 3: Willis has averaged forty four point eight rushing yards per

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Speaker 3: game and has run for four touchdowns, So he's averaged

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Speaker 3: about eight point five fantasy points per game just with

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Speaker 3: his legs. And Malik Willis seems to have made considerable

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Speaker 3: strides as a passer, Like when Jordan Love injured his

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Speaker 3: knee in the Packers twenty twenty four season opener. That

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Speaker 3: game in Brazil against the Eagles, Willis started weeks two

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Speaker 3: and three. The game plans admittedly very run heavy from

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Speaker 3: Matt Lafleur, but Willis completed twenty five to thirty three

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Speaker 3: two touchdowns, no interceptions. Also ran for one hundred and

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Speaker 3: fourteen yards in a touchdown in those two games, both

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Speaker 3: of which the Packers won. And then last year, we

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Speaker 3: Love sustained a concussion midway through the second quarter of

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Speaker 3: the Packers' Week sixteen game against the Bears. Willis came

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Speaker 2: No, And that's actually what it's going to bring up.

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Speaker 2: But again, I don't think it's an overreaction depending on

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Speaker 2: Probably not with the double digit touchdowns, but that six

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Speaker 2: The risk is that it goes as bad as justin Fields.

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Speaker 1: think with the Dolphins, look, you haven't won a playoff

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Speaker 1: That's there's a generation of Dolphin fans that have never

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Speaker 2: And I think you said that. I think the gift

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Speaker 1: list here for the breakouts of twenty twenty six, and

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Speaker 1: it's Alec Pierce. And Pierce certainly I would say maybe

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Speaker 1: the darling of the off season here as far as

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot of talk, but man, Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 1: Every fantasy nerd I know FITZI has been talking about

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Speaker 1: Alec Piers and Alec Pierce. And guess what, the Colts

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's uh, mister moneybags now wind up wound

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Speaker 3: up resigning with his own team four years, one hundred

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Speaker 3: He averaged five point six target's a game last year.

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Speaker 3: But now I think we're going to get some games

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Speaker 1: Despite all that, Jake, you look and he's still ranked

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Speaker 2: Yes, So I have Pierce at twenty seven and I

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Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to see the same production

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Speaker 1: These both games of them were at home. He had

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Speaker 1: twelve catches in those two total games, over two hundred

435
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Speaker 1: yards and two touchdowns. And then Fitsy after that it

436
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Speaker 1: was pretty pedestrian. So I understand. We all know that

437
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Speaker 1: the Chargers had some challenges last year with some health,

438
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Speaker 1: especially in the offensive line. We have a new offensive

439
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Speaker 1: coordinator coming in, Mike McDaniel, so certainly we know he

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Speaker 1: can make a tight end very special if he chooses to.

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Speaker 1: Is a Rendez Gason going to be that special piece

442
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Speaker 1: in this offense that maybe people don't see coming quite

443
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Speaker 1: as much as they should, because when you look at

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Speaker 1: the early rankings right now, Gadson's kind of floating in

445
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Speaker 1: that range of Oh, he's probably a tight end one,

446
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Speaker 1: but nobody's really excited about it. At number nine.

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Speaker 3: Overall, Yeah, he's tight end nine, and that's where he is.

448
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Speaker 3: For me, I think this is mostly about being willing

449
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Speaker 3: to wait a little bit at tight end if you

450
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Speaker 3: don't get the top prizes. Trey McBride, Brock Bauers, Colston, Loveland,

451
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Speaker 3: Gadsden perfectly good fallback option a little bit later in

452
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Speaker 3: the draft. So you framed this so well as a

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Speaker 3: rookie forty nine catches, six hundred and sixty four yards,

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Speaker 3: three tds, good season tight end fifteen in PPR scoring.

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Speaker 3: But over that four game stretch, it was really four

456
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Speaker 3: games from Week six to week nine, Gadsden averaged six

457
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Speaker 3: catches and ninety four point three yards per game. He

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Speaker 3: was tight end one over that stretch, seventeen point nine

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Speaker 3: PPR points per game. And here's the thing. That was

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Speaker 3: a really good offensive stretch for the Chargers. Overall, in

461
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Speaker 3: those four games where Gadsden was going bonkers, the Chargers

462
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Speaker 3: averaged twenty nine point three points. And it wasn't all

463
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Speaker 3: against pushover defenses. They hung thirty seven points on the Vikings,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Brian Flores defense. Gads dion at five

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Speaker 3: touch or five catches for seventy seven yards and a

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Speaker 3: touchdown of that game. And with the Chargers offense faring

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Speaker 3: well when Gadsden fared well, I think they're going to

468
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Speaker 3: endeavor to make him a more regular contributor in this offense.

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Speaker 3: And now the Chargers have an offensive coordinator coming in

470
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Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel who two seasons ago melt in eighty eight

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Speaker 3: catch eight hundred and eighty four yard eight touchdown season

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Speaker 3: out of John hus Smith in Miami. So yes, I'm

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Speaker 3: excited about Gaston Jake.

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Speaker 1: I think when you look at Gadson, you can understand,

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Speaker 1: you know, between you know, some of the success that

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Speaker 1: eighty year old Darren Waller had with Mike McDaniel and

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Speaker 1: then of course John hu Smith as fits. He pointed out,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Gadson kind of fits the mold of that

479
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Speaker 1: style of play. Do you think that there is enough

480
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Speaker 1: to go around and what this offense is going to be.

481
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we all think of Murray and Hampton's gonna

482
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Speaker 1: be a big breakout guy. We all talked about him

483
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Speaker 1: a lot, I know this offseason, but can Gatson kind

484
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Speaker 1: of piggyback there and a little bit kind of flying

485
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Speaker 1: under the radar where everybody's talking about Hampton but not

486
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Speaker 1: so much about guys like Gadson on the squad.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing here is that what do we know

488
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Speaker 2: about Mike McDaniel is that he wants you to be

489
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Speaker 2: able to do everything, whether you're the tight end, the

490
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Speaker 2: wide receiver, whatever it might be. And that includes moving

491
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Speaker 2: and moving across the line because of the pre snap

492
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Speaker 2: motion as we saw time and time and time and

493
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Speaker 2: time again. But also that includes putting you in positions

494
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Speaker 2: that you might not normally play. Oh what did Gatson

495
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Speaker 2: start as? Oh, by the way, a wide receiver who's

496
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Speaker 2: in converted wide receiver to a tight end, so he

497
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Speaker 2: knows how to do that. So my biggest concern on

498
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Speaker 2: this roster is actually, if we're looking at it right now,

499
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Speaker 2: is Quinton Johnston Because we know Quinton Johnson struggling to

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Speaker 2: do all that run a complete route tree. What if

501
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Speaker 2: and I just throw the scenario out there, what if

502
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Speaker 2: we're talking next year, it's Macaukee, Harris the backfield and

503
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Speaker 2: Gadson and all of a sudden, Quinton Johnson's just left

504
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Speaker 2: to the sidelines. And it wouldn't be a surprise. Now

505
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Speaker 2: if Quenton Johnson's still involved and he gets more out

506
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Speaker 2: of him, cool, we'd be excited about that as well.

507
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Speaker 2: But I think Gadson, as Fitz said, with john nehu

508
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Speaker 2: is just the fact that, like if it was more

509
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Speaker 2: of a you know, like a Jake Ferguson type who's

510
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Speaker 2: just like, you know, a good all around and quality blocker,

511
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Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, probably not going to be as

512
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Speaker 2: the big as threat because we've seen that before with

513
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Speaker 2: McDaniel too, Like the Kasikis of the world, Like it

514
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Speaker 2: doesn't get a ton out of them. There's flashes here

515
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Speaker 2: and there, but that's more because of a game matchup situation.

516
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Speaker 2: I think Gadson fits what Mike McDaniel wants to do

517
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Speaker 2: with his receiving options. So I'm in on this one

518
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Speaker 2: as well. Like we're eventually going to disagree, it's coming,

519
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Speaker 2: but unfortunately, so far, I'm fully on board with Fits's

520
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Speaker 2: list and it's an entertaining factor.

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Speaker 1: Well look, I'm sure we'll find some more entertaining factors

522
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Speaker 1: to disagree on later on, but good practice is good practice.

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Speaker 1: And I think when we're talking about, you know, this

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Speaker 1: specific year with the tight ends, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: tight ends at the top of the first five or

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Speaker 1: six that people are very excited about for very good reason.

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Speaker 1: But if you miss out on that run, there's still

528
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Speaker 1: guys like Gaston out there that I think have unique

529
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Speaker 1: upside at a much better costs. And he's not the

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Speaker 1: only tight end tease that we're gonna talk about on

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Speaker 1: Fitzi's list today. The next guy we're gonna talk about, though,

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Speaker 1: I bet a lot of people watching and listening all

533
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Speaker 1: this from me.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited like that, I told you we're not

535
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Speaker 2: going to disagree yet.

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Speaker 1: Well, number six on the list. If you go back

537
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Speaker 1: and pull up the stats here from week nine on,

538
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Speaker 1: which is when this player had the bye week eight

539
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Speaker 1: came back, they were wide receiver eleven and a half

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Speaker 1: point PPR. I bet you didn't know that about one

541
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Speaker 1: Parker Washington. So, FITZI, let's walk us through why Parker

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Speaker 1: Washington can carry over that second half momentum from twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five into the twenty twenty sixth season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was kind of stodgy about buying into

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Speaker 3: Parker Washington last year.

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Speaker 1: I said, for a lot of people were Yeah, there

547
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Speaker 1: was a lot of those conversations like let's not buy

548
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Speaker 1: into this, let's not make too much of this week

549
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Speaker 1: or that week, and then by the time you look

550
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Speaker 1: up at the end, you missed out on the wide

551
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Speaker 1: receiver eleven in the second.

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Speaker 3: It was really a turbo finish for him. Joe So

553
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Speaker 3: like the total numbers fifty eight eight hundred and forty

554
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Speaker 3: seven yards, five touchdowns in sixteen games. Eh, But then

555
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Speaker 3: you throw in that he had a great playoff game

556
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Speaker 3: seven catches, one hundred and seven yards and a touchdown

557
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Speaker 3: and the Jaguars lost to the Bills. And over his

558
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Speaker 3: last four games of the season, including that playoff game,

559
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Speaker 3: he averaged ten point three targets, six point five catches

560
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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirteen point five yards per game, and

561
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Speaker 3: he had three touchdowns in those four games. So Trevor

562
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Speaker 3: Lawrence loves his slot guys and his tight ends. In Jacksonville,

563
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Speaker 3: Christian Kirk had in eighty four catch eleven hundred yard

564
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Speaker 3: eight touchdown season in twenty twenty two. Evan Ingram one

565
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Speaker 3: hundred and fourteen catches nine hundred and sixty three yards

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. Krick and Ingram both had other

567
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Speaker 3: good seasons with Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville. The only outside

568
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Speaker 3: receiver to have a thousand yard season with Trevor Lawrence

569
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Speaker 3: while playing primarily outside, Calvin Ridley seventy six catches one thousand,

570
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Speaker 3: sixteen yards in twenty twenty three, but he wasn't the

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Speaker 3: Jaguars targeting reception leader that year. It was the Evan

572
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Speaker 3: Ingram season where he had one hundred and fourteen grabs.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if we can really count Brian

574
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Speaker 3: Thomas a couple of years ago. I know people are

575
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Speaker 3: shouting at their screens right now about this, but Trevor

576
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Speaker 3: Lawrence played ten games in twenty twenty four, effectively nine games,

577
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Speaker 3: and with Lawrence at quarterback. First nine games of that season,

578
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Speaker 3: Thomas averaged five point nine targets, three point nine catches,

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Speaker 3: sixty six point one yards per game. From Week ten on,

580
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Speaker 3: when it was Mac Jones at quarterback for all but

581
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Speaker 3: ten pass attempts. In one partial game for Lawrence, Brian

582
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Speaker 3: Thomas Junior averaged ten targets, six point five catches, eighty

583
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Speaker 3: five point nine yards per goal. So much higher production

584
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Speaker 3: with Mac Jones. So, plus, the slot receiver roles generally

585
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Speaker 3: been pretty valuable in Liam Cohen's offenses. Saw Chris Godwin

586
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Speaker 3: get off to that great start a couple of years

587
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Speaker 3: ago when Cohen was the OC in Tampa before Godwin

588
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Speaker 3: got hurt. I don't want the outside receivers in a

589
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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence Liam Cohen offense for fantasy. I want Lawrence

590
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Speaker 3: a slot guy, maybe his tight end. And last season

591
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Speaker 3: Parker Washington was in the slot for about forty percent

592
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Speaker 3: of his snaps. Now, the Jaguars also have Jacoby Myers,

593
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Speaker 3: who's done a lot of slot work in his career,

594
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Speaker 3: but when Parker Washington was going nuts down the stretch,

595
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Speaker 3: it was predominantly him in the slot, Myers at flanker.

596
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Speaker 3: So the one thing above all else that I am

597
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Speaker 3: going to be paying attention to in the twenty twenty

598
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Speaker 3: six preseason. Who lines up in the slot for the

599
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: small number of snaps that Trevor Lawrence plays. If it's

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Speaker 3: mostly Parker Washington, I am going to be all in

601
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Speaker 3: on Parker Washington and drafts. If it's kind of a

602
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty mix of Washington and Myers, I'll be

603
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: a little more hesitant. If it's mostly Myers in the slot,

604
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Speaker 3: then I'll be out on Washington quite honestly. But I

605
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Speaker 3: do think it's going to be Washington mostly as the

606
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Speaker 3: slot guy, the main slot guy for the Jags, and

607
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Speaker 3: if so, he could be in for a really big season.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I love about working with Fitzi

609
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Speaker 1: is it's always like you get to up your vocab

610
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Stodgy's not a word that you hear

611
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: very often. So I looked it up while FITZI was

612
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Speaker 1: going on giving some great stats about Parker Washington, and

613
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: the definition is quite good. Actually reminds me of you

614
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: a little bit, seely things that are dull, boring, old fashioned,

615
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: and excessively formal. But it also describes heavy dens or

616
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: hard to digest foods such as a thick pudding. Jike,

617
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: I've often referred to you as a thick pudding sometimes.

618
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Speaker 1: Are you so thick that you can't love Parker Washington

619
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Speaker 1: or do you see Parker Washington way? FITZI does too,

620
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Speaker 1: And now Travis Hunter and other guy out of the equation,

621
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Speaker 1: one more guy not to worry about catching footballs uh

622
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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. Is Parker Washington's twenty twenty five for real?

623
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Speaker 2: That's how about the fact that I'm so thick that

624
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: I have Parker Washington way above Brian Thomas and that

625
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: pains my soul? And as I said, is that the

626
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: fact that fit stole my Parker Washington from me? Like

627
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 2: I just love it?

628
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Speaker 1: Like I told you, this is on your ranking because

629
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Speaker 1: he's wide receivivor five in the consensus, okay, number forty

630
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: five overall, so you've got him as a three already

631
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: locked in. That's good to know.

632
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: And Brian Thomas is a wide receiver four for me,

633
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: and that might be too high, and that, like I said,

634
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: this pains me. I want Brian Thomas on a new team,

635
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: get them hur away from here. Uh. And let me

636
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: be clear, I want to go back. I'm surprised you

637
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: to bring this up, to bring up the point, as

638
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: you said, as we were, we everybody was hesitant to

639
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: buy in. You and I were doing a Waivers show

640
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: and you thought. I met Parker Washington on Monday, and

641
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: I was like, Eh, I don't know if I really like,

642
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 2: give me another week or whatever. And so admittedly I

643
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: didn't want to believe at the gate because it is

644
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas. But the thing I go back to what

645
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: Fitz said is like, let's just take all the numbers

646
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Speaker 2: to throw him to the side. For a second. We

647
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Speaker 2: knew the mac Jones numbers, We knew how much better

648
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Speaker 2: Brian Thomas was with mac Jones. We just assumed, hey,

649
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650
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Speaker 2: of Jacobe Myers came around. You know this because you

658
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Speaker 2: and I talked about last year. Brian Thomas's ADOT went

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Speaker 2: almost fifty percent. He was seeing targets fifteen twenty yards

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00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,240
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Speaker 2: when he chucks him downfield, when you're getting fifteen twenty

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Speaker 2: This is just really an unfortunate scenario where he was

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Speaker 1: number five here, and it's a Patriot, which warms my soul.

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Speaker 1: But pat you're gonna have to convince me of this

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Speaker 1: one because I have massive concerns about ramondre Stevenson still

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Speaker 1: eating into such a workload that Traveon Henderson, your guy

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00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: and my guy can't get that game to the next

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00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: level for fantasy, So please tell me I'm wrong. Here fits,

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Speaker 1: He's show me why.

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Speaker 3: Yes, fits, you cannot be excited about Travion Henderson. He's

715
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: just form Andre Stevenson's backup. You saw how that worked

716
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Yes, Joe, everything is completely static in

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00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: the NFL. Situations are always unchanged here to dear, And

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00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: since Ramandre Stevenson was New England's running back of choice

719
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, we should totally forget that three game

720
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: stretch last year from Week nine to Week eleven, when

721
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: Trevon Henderson averaged one hundred and ten scrimmage yards per

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00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: game and had a pair of two touchdown games. And

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Speaker 3: we should forget about that Week fifteen game against the

724
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: Bills when Ramandre Stevenson was playing in Travion Henderson still

725
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: had one hundred and forty eight rushing yards and two touchdowns.

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00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to forget the Super Bowl, all the

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00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: other games I want to kind of remember.

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Speaker 3: Maybe a little more Travion Henderson would have done them

729
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: some good, Joe, But.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna argue that Fitz. I argue that couldn't hurt.

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Speaker 3: I mean, bottom line for me on Travion is that

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00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: he gave us several weeks of high end running back

733
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: one production last season. A lot of fantasy managers are

734
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: going to turn up their noses at Henderson and drafts

735
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: this year because he mostly sat behind Stevenson in the playoffs.

736
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Speaker 3: Just remember what Henderson did when he got his chance

737
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: last year and realized that it's pretty silly to think

738
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: he won't get other chances in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: All right, So Henderson for you, Jake Sealey, are you

740
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: concerned with the usage and the way it's at least

741
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: presenting to be similar year over year? You know, FITZI

742
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: might have dropped a little bit of sarcasm there about

743
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: the static thing in the NFL, but I do know

744
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: this Mike Vrai Bowl is going to be a defensive

745
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: minded coach. They're gonna grind games when they can, and

746
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: part of that means more of Roman Dre Stevens in style.

747
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: Do you think that changes though? And you need a

748
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 1: little bit more breakout ability from a guy like Trevon

749
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: Henderson to kind of get the offense humming along a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: Better well so and Fits can jump in anytime he

752
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: wants or wait till the end. But part of my

753
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: question would be what his breakout mean, Like how far

754
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: are we going to go? Because I think that's going

755
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: to depend whether or not I'm in on Dragon Henderson,

756
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: because going from Week thirteen through the Super Bowl, which

757
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: matters because that usage was there, and the thirteen was

758
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: Stevenson's second game back from that injury, it was a

759
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: fifty one percent forty two percent running back touch split

760
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: fifty forty for all intensive purposes. The bigger concern I

761
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: have here is that Henderson only saw six percent about

762
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: of the team target percentage. Stevenson was up at almost

763
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: twelve percent. The yards per touch were vastly in favor

764
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: of Stevenson, the yards per reception vastly in favor of Stevenson.

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00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: The percentage of plays for ten plus rushing yards and

766
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: twenty plus yards overall vastly for Henderson. So here's the

767
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: other good side for Henderson, nine goal to go rush

768
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: attempts versus only two for Stevenson. So I'm saying, there's

769
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: ways to like both of them, and that's where I'm at.

770
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 2: I like both. I have them both as RB two's,

771
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: which actually puts Henderson very close to his ranking as

772
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: of right now, but vastly over ranks Stevens. And everybody's like,

773
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: why Stevenson, because they can both be RB twos. The

774
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: biggest takeaway I have as today is I'm okay if

775
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: there're RB twos, if you want to push for either

776
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: being higher, and you know, I'm with you, guys. You

777
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: know how much I love Henderson. I said he was

778
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: like those little hot wheel cars that you pull back

779
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: back in the day and just like launched him out

780
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: of the launcher. Is that's the excitement we have, and

781
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: he can be an RB one. If Stevenson gets hurt,

782
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: he can be an RB one. If Henderson gets hurt,

783
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: Stevenson can be an RB one. I think we have

784
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: to understand that if we know we are getting seventeen

785
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: games from both, it's going to be like this, It's

786
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: gonna be up and down. It's going to be the

787
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: best of Charbonnay and Walker from two years ago, where

788
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 2: we got that up and down and up and down.

789
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: One week one of them got twenty, one of them

790
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: got five. The next week they both got fifteen points.

791
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 2: So you just have to understand that's what you're buying

792
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: into with the upside of potentially being an RB one

793
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: if either gets hurt. But I want them as mid

794
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 2: to low RB twos. I think going higher is where

795
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: I would pull back on Henderson if you have him

796
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: as a high on RB two and that's where he is.

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00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: He's ranked right now currently as the twentieth RB overall,

798
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: which I think feels right. I think it's baking in

799
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: the downside that you're talking about, Jake, but also the

800
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: upside that fits he's talking about in the explosives.

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00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: Do you have him higher? Fits? Where would you push

802
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: him higher than that? Because that's where we would finally

803
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: disagree a little bit.

804
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like I'm a tick higher. I think

805
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: I'm RB nineteen.

806
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: So and.

807
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 3: Your take is totally literally.

808
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: One tick for the record and my show, hold on,

809
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: where's my gavel? I haven't gotten the gavel app a

810
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: long time. Let the record show it is one single tick,

811
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Speaker 1: all right, Fitzy, go ahead.

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00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: My sarcasm was probably unwarranted because Henderson is ranked ahead

813
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 3: of Stevenson in ECR, and I kind of expect that

814
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: the ADP is going to work out that way too,

815
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: because people sort of recognize what the upside is with Henderson,

816
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 3: like they're not oblivious to what he did when he

817
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: got that chance, but like we thought that was going

818
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: to be that was it. He had arrived after that

819
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: three game breakout when Stevenson was out. I don't think

820
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: anyone expected the sort of pivots fully back to Stevenson

821
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: that we saw from the Patriots. But part of it

822
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: was that Henderson was built as such a good pass

823
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: blocker coming out of college. Not really the case. Stevenson

824
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: is like way better in that department last year, and

825
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: I think that's what they cared about not getting Drake

826
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 3: May killed in their stretch run. So Henderson had shown

827
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: in college that he could be adept in that area.

828
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: Maybe another NFL training camp, more tutoring, it's gonna help

829
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 3: him and leave the Patriots coaching staff a little more

830
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: confident they can put him on the field and not

831
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: get their franchise QB put in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, he's younger running back than Stevenson too.

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00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: You know that does factor into its long season. So yeah,

834
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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of reason to invest and

835
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: hope for the best there with Stevenson. But you also

836
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: have to understand he's, to the guy's point, he's not

837
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: an RB one. Okay, you don't draft him like inn

838
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: RB one. That would be crazy to think about. So

839
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: he's definitely mid level RB two, but you want to

840
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: make sure that you know if if you can get

841
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: him as a flex RB, that's great. I like this

842
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: where you'd love to have him in an ideal world,

843
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: but that's not always the case in a lot of

844
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: these deeper leagues. Speaking of guys in the top twenty,

845
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: how about a guy in the top twenty of wide

846
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Speaker 1: receivers and it's Luther Burden number four on Fitzi's list today.

847
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: Luthor Burdon also a guy who's gotten a ton of

848
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: offseason helium. So FITZI, why is everybody so excited about

849
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: Luther Burdon and why does FITZI think he can be

850
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Speaker 1: a breakout in twenty twenty six.

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00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, two point four to eight yards per route run

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00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 3: as a rookie Joe. Wildly impressive number After sort of

853
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: a slow rollout for Luther Burdon last year. He was

854
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: playing behind Alamine's a chaus for the first few months

855
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 3: of the season. Didn't see more than four targets in

856
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: a game until Week eleven, or maybe it was more

857
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: than five targets. Didn't have a game in which he

858
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: played more than fifty percent of the Bears offensive snaps

859
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 3: until Week twelve, But from Week twelve through the end

860
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: of the regular season, Burn averaged four point seven catches

861
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Speaker 3: sixty seven point two receiving yards a game. That's an

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Speaker 3: eighty catch eleven hundred yard pace. And that was with

863
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 3: Dj Moore around more now in Buffalo. So Luthor Burton

864
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: just moves differently, Like, this guy's feet are so quick.

865
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: He is going to be such a tough cover for cornerbacks.

866
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: And we saw that late last year when he came

867
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: on Bears QB Caleb Williams started to get a better

868
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: handle than Ben Johnson's offense late last year. And you know,

869
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: the Luther Burden bandwagon is already annoyingly overcrowded. Uh, he's

870
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 3: not going to be cheap in drafts. No, I do

871
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: feel like the enthusiasm is warranted because what we saw

872
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: from him late last year is pretty exciting.

873
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: Seay, what's your enthusiasm level when it comes to Luther Burton.

874
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: Yes, so apparently I hate him because I'm a spot

875
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: behind on consensus on this.

876
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: One's the question one tick, one tick, one tick, one

877
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: tick back on.

878
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: But it's a little irritating. I think it's more of

879
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: what Fitt said is that it's the bandwagon because going

880
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: back to last year in the draft, uh, normally I

881
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: smash up two players, but for him, I smashed up

882
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: three because I said, if you took Garrett Wilson, Julian Enland,

883
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: and Randall Cobb and mixed them all together and you

884
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: get Julian Cobson, And I think that was like my

885
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: joke about it, But that's the upside. He has the

886
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: concern underlying that. But no, this is where I'm gonna go.

887
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: This is why I'm just thinking about the stodgy thick

888
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: pudding and how there you are with that with that

889
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: three combination names go ahead.

890
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: So many people like, like it can be good late

891
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: at night, nice little treat, especially if you peel off

892
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: that stut and then you can put on your face

893
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: like on the office. So in any case, going back

894
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 2: to this, I think that that Randall Cobb, back when

895
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 2: he was a fringe wide receiver one with the Packers

896
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: in his best days, also came alongside where my slight

897
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: concern like I love Luthor, but they think that clear

898
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: and everybody thought like there was not everybody. There was

899
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: a lot of people that thought Luthor Burden was being

900
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: overrated at coming out of college and for various factors,

901
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: but whatever might be is that it's the touchdowns, it's

902
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: the play more of a one B to a one A.

903
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: And I'm not completely out on a Dounday yet. I

904
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: still really like a Doomsday And I think a Donsay

905
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: to go back to those days of the could be

906
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: like Devonte Adams or Randall Cobb type of situation where

907
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: they're both great. But I still think of Dounesay has

908
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: the slightly higher ceiling because of the higher touchdown upside,

909
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: the higher red zone and end zone touchdown, which also

910
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: comes down to a player. Will pause on that one

911
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: because I have some numbers for that. And something that

912
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: I really love about is I just feel like all

913
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: three of these options now that there's no DJ Moore,

914
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: are going to be great. We could hopefully get Kill

915
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: Williams to be the first Bearers quarterback to ever throw

916
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: for four thousand you are still didn't even do it

917
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: last year, and get four thousand plus yards thirty plus touchdowns,

918
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: and all three will be great. It's just I think

919
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: what fits his biggest point there, maybe not his, but

920
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: my biggest point from what he just said is this

921
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: is going to be I feel like one of the

922
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: bigger players that the bandwagon gets so overblown that he's

923
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: gonna get overdrafted because everybody wants him, and everyone's gonna

924
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: be like, well, I got a gat him because I

925
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: know everybody else is about to take them, and then

926
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: you lose all potential return on your value.

927
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: Jake, how the how big is the gap between Odunsay

928
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: and Burden and your rankings?

929
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: It's a good question.

930
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: Three three, Okay, close, So I've got I've got Burden

931
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: one spot higher.

932
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: My only tighter than I am. So there you go.

933
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're probably right about donsday. The only thing without Donsay.

934
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 3: I'm like ninety five percent sure he's good, but I'm

935
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: not one hundred percent sure he's actually good.

936
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what To that point, though, Fitzie, I mean,

937
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: Luther Burton has had maturity issues, not just in college

938
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: but also in the NFL level. There's a lot of

939
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: stuff last year in camp if you recall him getting

940
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: kind of punished for not doing the right thing or

941
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: being at the right meeting at the right time and

942
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: all that's like there's a lot of that stuff flowing around,

943
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: So you might there's a five percent of me that

944
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: I look at Luther Burden, I'm like, is he a

945
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: serious football player? I know he's a talented one, but

946
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: I'm like ninety five percent there that he's serious or

947
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: with a dunsay that like the five percent is just

948
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: whether or not. Like for me, he can just stay

949
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: healthy and play. He's a smart kid, good worker, all

950
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: that stuff. But again, Luther Burden's a special talent. But

951
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: we've seen time and time again the special talent sometimes

952
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: they can't let some of those maturity issues get in

953
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: the way of what they could be. And oftentimes they do.

954
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: Which is a full career like OBJ and then row

955
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: it in on a boat. There you go.

956
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: Hey, man, I just haven't won a playoff game since, right.

957
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: I've got a bunch of Missouri University of Missouri friends.

958
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: I've sort of been forced to do my homework on

959
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 3: Burden by these people, and I'm pretty convinced he's like

960
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 3: not a bad kid, like I think he's.

961
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: All honest, think a bad kid, immature and I think,

962
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: you know that's the thing that comes up now, FITZI,

963
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: We're in the top three, and I gotta say this one.

964
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to sell me a little bit because

965
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: I have gone down this well many a fantasy season,

966
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: only to drown in the bottom of it in despair

967
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: because Christian Watson always let me down. Now, I understand

968
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: last year, from Week nine on he was wide receiver

969
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: sixteen and a half point BPR. I get it. But

970
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: this is another guy that's never healthy. This is a

971
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: guy that has teased us with the big playability what

972
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: he's got. And Jordan Love also another guy that's teased

973
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: some great stretches, but has also dealt with some injuries

974
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: and some issues on his own. So how do we

975
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: get Christian Watson to be a full breakout for a

976
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: full season? Fitsy sell me because I want to believe.

977
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: I've just been hurt so many times. Joe.

978
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: It's like trying to sell you a Faberge egg. Like

979
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 3: I can promise it's going to look great above your fireplace.

980
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: I can't promise that you're not going to drop it

981
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 3: and it's gonna shatter into a million pieces. Because obviously,

982
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: like that's the thing everyone worries about with Christian Watson.

983
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: He has missed twenty games in four years. He's had

984
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: a torn acl The injury fears are going to hold

985
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: his ECR down. But man, if this dude can stay

986
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: healthy for a full season, like he could be a

987
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: wide receiver one, maybe even a high end wide receiver one,

988
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: like Christian Watson is that good averaged seventeen point five

989
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 3: yards per catch last year, eleven point one yards per target,

990
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: two point two eight yards per route run, all terrific numbers,

991
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: and for his career, also really good numbers. Ten yards

992
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: per target, two point zero six yards per route run,

993
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: six foot four, two hundred and eight pounds, four to

994
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 3: three six speed, and that speed shows up on the field,

995
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: Like this guy is a freak athlete. He's paired with

996
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 3: a high quality quarterback in Jordan Love, and he's really

997
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: poised for a big role in twenty twenty six. Like,

998
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sell you on the idea that Dontavian

999
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: Wicks with some sort of star, But the Packers right

1000
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 3: now have three credible wide receivers. It's Watson, It's Matthew Golden,

1001
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: who did very little as a rookie last season, so

1002
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: I'm not even sure we can count him in the

1003
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: credible category. And then Jayden Reid at wide receiver that's

1004
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: basically it, and Tucker craft, Yes, very high quality tight end.

1005
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: But Watson is the undisputed king of the green Bay

1006
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: receivers right now. And if he can stay healthy, target

1007
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: uptick coming like I think he could be a thirteen hundred.

1008
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: He could be the George Pickens of twenty twenty six

1009
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: if he stays healthy.

1010
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: There you go clip that for social That's the one

1011
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: that's going to run around. I can feel the YouTube

1012
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: comments right now. Jake Seally, Chrishia Watson wide receiver twenty

1013
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: seven in the early ranks.

1014
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: You buying that where he is mostly because it comes

1015
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: down to health. I mean you mentioned we've been burned

1016
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: because of health. This is the comparison I was making

1017
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: earlier to Alec Peerce, is that No, Dantavian Wicks wasn't

1018
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: a massive threat. I think that trade had more to

1019
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: do with the fact that they still believe Matthew Golden

1020
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: can be something. But we're seeing, at least through one

1021
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 2: years where he sees in the downside of Matthew Golden

1022
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: was like a Nelson Aguilar type. So that's just what

1023
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: we might see is for his entire career and he

1024
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: might be a non factor. Jayden Reid has to stay

1025
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: healthy too, but if you have Jane Reid and Watson

1026
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 2: both healthy, those are your one and two's and those

1027
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: are both potential top twenty five wide receivers if they

1028
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: stay healthy for the entire year. A big part of

1029
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: it is we just talked about the previous team. I

1030
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: think all three are in play, including Tucker Kraft. So

1031
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: it comes down to Jordan Love. It comes down to

1032
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: consistency in this offense. There's a lot of questions, but

1033
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: I think when you have him at twenty seven, where

1034
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: if he stays healthy and this team executes next year,

1035
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: we might see him inside the top fifteen. Because to

1036
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 2: go back to the in Douneesday comparison with Jaden Reid

1037
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: is like Jayden Reid kind of plays and they're not

1038
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: the same wide receivers everybody, but like Jada Reed, Luthor Burden,

1039
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: crossover and what they can bring to their teams crossover,

1040
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: don Say and Watson had the upsides with the touchdown

1041
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: equity to be top fifteen. Bigger part about it too

1042
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: with Watson is that of his touchdowns, only two of

1043
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: the six came in the end zone. They're all from

1044
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: outside bigger plays actually one week.

1045
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: And that's what he does he's the splash.

1046
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was gonna say he had three end

1047
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: zone targets one week and didn't catch a single one

1048
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: of them. So there's like still even potential for more

1049
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: with the touchdown department for Watson. All right.

1050
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 1: We saw a lot of potential out of a mechag

1051
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: Buka last year. Of the first eight weeks of the season,

1052
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: he was wide receiver six, and then things kind of

1053
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: fell apart for him along with the health of Baker

1054
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: Mayfield A Levante David just retired FITZI. He spoke about

1055
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: how all the injuries that Baker had that people didn't

1056
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: even know about.

1057
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: So I feel like we.

1058
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: Could just kind of chalk that up to Baker wasn't healthy.

1059
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: Things kind of fell apart. It just got rough for

1060
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers. I'm buying back in on Ibuka at number

1061
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: two on your list here, it looks like you are

1062
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: as well, especially now that Mike Evans is elsewhere. Now

1063
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: you get an opportunity for a mechaig Buka, I think,

1064
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: to really become a star and a true number one

1065
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: Fantasy wide receiver.

1066
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Abuka was wide receiver three in PPR scoring

1067
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: through the first five weeks of the season. Five touchdowns

1068
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 3: in those five games, and then it wasn't just Baker

1069
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: Mayfield maybe not being fully healthy. Joe Abuka himself. He

1070
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: tweaked his hamstring in week six, played through it, but

1071
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: the production started to fall off.

1072
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: Then.

1073
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 3: In there first five weeks of the season, Abuka averaged

1074
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 3: twenty and a half PPR points a game, caught sixty

1075
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: five point eight percent of his targets. From Week six on,

1076
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: he averaged seven point eight PPR points caught forty two

1077
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 3: point seven percent of his targets. So it was a

1078
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 3: stark contrast between his start and the rest of the season.

1079
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 3: And yes, Mike Evans and Chris Godwin did both miss

1080
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 3: some games during Abuca's hot five game stretch run earlier

1081
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: in the season, but Godwin didn't play in the first

1082
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 3: three of those games, Evans didn't play in the last two.

1083
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: But at least one of them was playing in all

1084
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: five of those games, so it wasn't like he was

1085
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: totally benefiting from both of those guys being out. Evan's

1086
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: now gone at Buka is a real chance to be

1087
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: the Buccaneers out for receiver and we've already seen the

1088
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: upside and it was high end wide receiver one upside,

1089
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 3: you know, wide receiver three through five weeks. That was

1090
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: his rookie season. It is absolutely worth chasing the upside.

1091
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: Here, Jake. It feels like the only thing that can

1092
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: keep Mecca Agbuka down is the health of Baker Mayfield

1093
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: and the health of a Mecca Abuka keep him down

1094
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: from what though, this is another one where becoming up

1095
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: top I think top ten wide receiver in fantasy, that's

1096
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: where I think he is. To be honest, I think

1097
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: he's in that range.

1098
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: That's where if that's where we're going with it, that's

1099
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: where I'll disagree. And it mostly just comes down to

1100
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: and maybe I'm giving him too much hate. I just

1101
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 2: think that Abuka is more of a Keenan Allen and

1102
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't think he's fully equipped to be the pure

1103
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: Mike Evans in that aspect. And like for most of

1104
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen's career, about fifty per tent seat at the

1105
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: time of the slot. And if you told me that

1106
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: if like Ibuka was going to be that usage, then

1107
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: I'd say probably still not top ten, but maybe top fifteen.

1108
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: Kind of bouncing around that fringe wide receiver one what

1109
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: basically older, well not older, but younger before the injury

1110
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: started to mount for Chris Godwin, where you always saw

1111
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 2: a season or two where he got into the side

1112
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: the top ten. But I think the Chris guy went

1113
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: being healthy. And I'm not saying he's a major factor

1114
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: at this point in his career because he is the

1115
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: older now and he is as exceptional as he was,

1116
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: But Chris Guy, when we saw McMillan pop off in

1117
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 2: that one game where McMillan was the Baker mayfield target,

1118
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: and we're already remembering from his rookie season how excited

1119
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: to people were for McMillan late in that year. So

1120
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: I just think it's a kind of like there's a

1121
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: lot of options here with Ubuca, McMillan, and Godwin. And

1122
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Ubuka is not the best of all three.

1123
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: I have him ranked as the best of all three.

1124
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: I just have him more as like wide receiver twenty

1125
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: ish than to say kind of a wide receiver one.

1126
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: And I think it just comes down to there's a

1127
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: lot of talent on this team.

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Speaker 1: Now.

1129
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: If Baker May, if you'll throws for forty four hundred

1130
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: yards and forty touchdowns, then well, obviously somebody needs to

1131
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: be a wide receiver.

1132
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: One, and it would be well, he's only one year

1133
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: removed from that missive season exactly.

1134
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: That's why that's why I bring that up. So you know,

1135
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: if we get back to that, sure, then yes he

1136
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: would be the one. I just I would buy into

1137
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: him more as a two. So that again, it comes

1138
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 2: down to context of where you would think the breakout

1139
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: for a BUCA is coming.

1140
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 3: Sure, you don't have to buy him as a wide

1141
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 3: receiver one. That's that's the thing though, And I think

1142
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: Joe is saying like that's the upside, but I don't know.

1143
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: There you go.

1144
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: Actually, it was just looking right now at wide receiver

1145
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: twenty that's six over consensus. So there I'm actually over consensus.

1146
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: So there you go.

1147
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's twenty six is way too far down

1148
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: for a book in my opinion. If he is going

1149
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: to be I don't think we're going to get there

1150
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: come August. But if he floating, if he's floating around

1151
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: twenty four or even twenty, I will have more Mega

1152
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: Buka shares than probably anybody else because I see here, sis,

1153
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: I think.

1154
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: Give me the Abukah shares over the Luther Burton shares

1155
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 2: for the same price.

1156
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because ranked I have a booker ranked ahead

1157
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: of Burden.

1158
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: It's a really good discussion points. Drop your comments below

1159
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,520
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1160
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,400
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1166
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Speaker 1: Fantasypros dot Com slash Chat. All right, Fitzy number one

1173
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: here on the breakout list for twenty twenty six. And

1174
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: it's not a running back. It's not a wide receiver,

1175
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: nor is it a quarterback. It's a tight end Fitzy

1176
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: Colston Loveland, who had a really strong finish to the season.

1177
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: From Week nine to week eighteen, he was second in

1178
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: fantasy points of all tight ends and half PPR with

1179
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: a one hundred and nineteen. And it looks like after

1180
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: some of that stretch run into the playoffs, we're seeing

1181
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: a young superstar with Colston Lovelin starting to emerge.

1182
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 3: I can't believe he's a lifelong fan of the Green

1183
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 3: Bay Packers. I've got two Bears in the top five

1184
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: d list.

1185
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: Well, you snuck that Packer in there and Watson in between,

1186
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: so I did.

1187
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 3: I did, But still it's two against one here. Yeah, Loveland,

1188
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 3: you said it, Joe. Only Trey McBride scored more fantasy

1189
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: points at tight end from Week nine on, the season

1190
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 3: just kept getting better and better for Loveland, and at

1191
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 3: the very end of the season, Ben Johnson fully unleashed

1192
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: Colston Loveland. He had ten or more targets in all

1193
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: of his final four games, including the Bears two playoff games.

1194
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 3: Averaged twelve targets, seven catches, ninety four and a half

1195
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 3: receiving yards over that stretch. And I hate to remind

1196
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 3: Packers fans of this, but in that playoff win for

1197
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 3: the Bears over the Packers, Loveland had fifteen targets, eight catches,

1198
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty seven yards. He was just a

1199
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 3: mob during that game. This guy's such a matchup nightmare,

1200
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 3: six six two and forty one pounds. Most defensive backs

1201
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 3: can't physically handle him, and Loveland is too fast for

1202
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 3: most of the linebackers who try to cover him. So

1203
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 3: turned into a target monster at the end of last season.

1204
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: And that was with DJ Moore around, And now DJ

1205
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 3: Moore is gone, like Loveland, I feel like he's poised

1206
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 3: to just go off in twenty twenty six.

1207
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: Jake, the question is not about you know where he

1208
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: ranks the tight ends. I think we're all pretty clear

1209
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: he's a top three guy there. We can debate the

1210
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: order if people want to. It's more about overall when

1211
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: it comes to love one. For me, he's a top

1212
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: forty player overall in the consensus rankings. Is that where

1213
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: you have Loveland? Are you ready to take a tight

1214
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: end in the top forty or are you somebody that

1215
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,479
Speaker 1: wants to wait on some other guys that you feel

1216
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: have some other upside less of a less of an

1217
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: investment in terms.

1218
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: Of ADP, so it kind of goes to it. Let's

1219
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: so tight end is Ricky, Bobby first or last? I

1220
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: want to be in that tier one or I wait

1221
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: until the endgame and Dason's a great opportunity. I am

1222
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: not dipping into the tier twos. But if you want

1223
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: to make the argument for Loveland into Tier one, I.

1224
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: Can see it.

1225
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: My hesitancy here is then I'm going to ask and

1226
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 2: I'm not asking this, I'm gonna ask everybody, like when

1227
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: you sit down and look at the Bears, you need

1228
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: to tell yourself who's getting left out? Because the odds

1229
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: are that burden A Doonsday and Loveland are not all

1230
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: going to be great. I wrote an article or included

1231
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: in one of my waiver articles last year. There's only

1232
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: five times in the history of the NFL where three

1233
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: teammates top one thousand receiving yards. Once it included a

1234
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: tight end that was Kellen Winslow in nineteen eighty. The

1235
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 2: other times included Peyton Manning throwing for forty five hundred

1236
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: yards and forty nine touchdowns. One final point to this,

1237
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: twice did a Trio do it with nine hundred yards?

1238
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 2: So there's only two more times, even if you drop

1239
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: down to nine hundred yards. So I say all to

1240
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: say is is Caleb Williams going to break the four

1241
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: thousand mark for the Bears? Is he going to throw

1242
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: for forty four hundred and forty five hundred yards? And

1243
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: is he gonna keep it in narrow tree to these three?

1244
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 2: That's a lot to ask where it's gonna be somebody

1245
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 2: needs to be left out. And if Loveland's being drafted

1246
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 2: as a Tier one tight end and he just barely

1247
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 2: misses the mark and he gets seven hundred yards in

1248
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: the touchdowns, which I actually think it's better than that.

1249
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 2: I put the note down that fits had over the

1250
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: final four games. It was asserted he was averaging sixteen

1251
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: and a half Fantasy points per game and half point PPR.

1252
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 2: So is it him and Burdon? Well, then a dounsay,

1253
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: and where I'm wrong on a donsay, and he's the

1254
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 2: one that gets left out if it's Burden that gets

1255
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 2: left out. So I think that's the biggest thing when

1256
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 2: you're investing in the Bears. Are we either going to

1257
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: get a career year a historic season from this offense?

1258
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: And Caleb Williams or who's going to be the one

1259
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: that left out? And I think that's gonna be the

1260
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 2: biggest question to ask yourself when you're drafting this year,

1261
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 2: is who do you think has the biggest risk?

1262
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 1: I have a third option that I like to throw

1263
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: out there. It's Colston Loveland every week plus a wide receiver.

1264
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: That's my take on the Bears offense watching.

1265
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: So they cabablize each other and they both end up

1266
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 2: getting left out to a degree.

1267
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: To a degree, yes, to a degree. My hesitation with

1268
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: the Bears wide receivers is partially the Bears wide receivers,

1269
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: but also due impart to Colston Loveland, who I think

1270
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: is integral to what they want to do offensively. He's

1271
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: a guy that obviously we you know he went in

1272
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: there and he drafted for a reason, and we know

1273
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: that when the new coach comes in, always pay attention

1274
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: to the guy's drafted. I know Luther Burn was that

1275
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: guy too, but I think that when you see what

1276
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: the Bears evolved into last year, Loveland is a cornerstone piece.

1277
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the wide receivers aren't important, but

1278
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: I think the variability goes weak to week between the

1279
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: wide receivers, not between Loveland and a wide receiver. If

1280
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: that makes sense, Fitzy, that's my take on it. I

1281
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: don't know if you agree or disagree.

1282
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like with three principal pass catching

1283
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 3: targets for Caleb Williams, like, I don't feel like that's

1284
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 3: too crowded. I think there's enough room for everyone to eat.

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