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Speaker 1: Piece of the planet, Charlamagne to God here and as

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Speaker 1: we come closer to closing out this year, I just

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Speaker 1: want to say thank you for tuning into the Black

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Speaker 1: Effect podcast Network. There have been so many great moments

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Speaker 1: over the past year. Take a listen to some of

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Speaker 1: those captivating moments. In this special best of episode.

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Speaker 2: My team and I only had a good idea, why

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Speaker 2: don't I actually interview sway.

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Speaker 3: Ah No, who told you that was a good idea?

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Speaker 2: Though? One of the millennials and one of the millennials

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Speaker 2: around myself with a bunch of Malmi modes. Okay, have

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Speaker 2: you been interview before? I'm sure you have.

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Speaker 3: I've been asked a lot of questions before, but not

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Speaker 3: I've been an interview. But you know, let's see what

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Speaker 3: you will? You do this for a living? Is he

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Speaker 3: kind of controlled the narrative, right, you know when someone

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Speaker 3: is interviewing you. So I very seldom let my hair down,

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Speaker 3: so to speak, you know, in the interview, as I

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Speaker 2: If you ask me a question, I definitely I definitely

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Speaker 4: So I'm gonna ask you a.

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Speaker 2: Couple of questions, and I think that maybe I've been

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Speaker 2: curious about. So a lot of people may or may

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Speaker 2: not know your history. Can you tell me just a

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Speaker 4: As a broadcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't speak a lot about the history. In

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Speaker 3: high school, I met my partner, DJ King Tech who

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Speaker 3: I grew up playing instruments. I played the saxophone. I

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Speaker 3: grew up a music lover and got into deep boy

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Speaker 3: And like anyone else who was in high school, you know,

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Speaker 3: I didn't sound like a guy from Oakland, you know,

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Speaker 3: And so it took us a long time to really

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Speaker 3: When we came to New York, where the most of

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Speaker 3: And so we came home and she tried to figure out,

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Speaker 3: So we were put those things out to see what

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Speaker 3: we would go to these stores and say, yeah, man,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we'll leave fifty cassettes there in thirty days,

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Speaker 3: pay us partial payments. It's like, well, but you're not

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Speaker 3: if you reshow for us with more product, then we'll

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Speaker 3: I started learning about the inner workings of the music business.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah, if you keep feeding the system, the system

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Speaker 2: Listen, I want to CEMBC thirty to forty times a week.

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Speaker 2: I've been on ABC fifth ABC for fifteen years. I

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Speaker 2: So you know, I'm the Kardashians of CNBC and you

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Speaker 2: sit there at that point and reflect and say it

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Speaker 4: How dare you question yourself?

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Speaker 2: I think that is the question.

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Speaker 5: Certainly, I think if I'm speaking to my lower desires

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Speaker 6: But my capital tea truth, Like, the thing that I

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Speaker 5: Is that I'm just an acting nerd, and I love

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Speaker 5: And I knew that I wasn't getting the opportunity to

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Speaker 5: people ask me, you know, you're sitting there and you're

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Speaker 6: It just was the thing that I had wanted and

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Speaker 6: operating on that level. And I'd love to hear from

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Speaker 6: you and Damon when you're with people that are that exceptional.

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Speaker 6: It feels natural. There's no second guessing because you know

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever been really I don't think

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Speaker 2: that common has ever been positioned that way. You're right

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Speaker 2: when you know I put up I was on a

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Speaker 2: I was happening to be someplace, and it was we

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Speaker 2: What has oh yeah legend, Yeah he has a drink

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Speaker 2: chance And I'm know Nori twenty five years. Fat Joe

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Speaker 2: Now Nori smokes. Bob Marley would look at moreco right,

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Speaker 2: he smokes so much. Bet Joe biggest dookie talker in history.

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Speaker 2: And he's fat Joe.

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Speaker 6: He's o zeenpic Joe.

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Speaker 2: He looks great, he looks he looked great, he looks great.

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Speaker 2: I'm cool, I'm I'm I'm myself with my fifteen, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five year old lingos. So it's coming out. I'm

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Speaker 2: You know, rights of people and how how do how

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Speaker 2: do they stimulate certain things? When when you're in the

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Speaker 2: I think the question arises that how many times have

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's the question.

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Speaker 6: I only have real impostor syndrome when I'm an impostor,

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Speaker 6: like when I've done the work and I feel confident

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Speaker 6: it's not a solo act. Right, it's not playing an instrument,

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Speaker 6: it's not painting a picture. Acting artistry. It is the

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Speaker 6: ultimate team effort, and you have to pray that all

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Speaker 6: in which you're there and you have to let go

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Speaker 6: to a certain extent. And yet the way I show

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Speaker 6: work that this requires. I've done the forensic, the not

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Speaker 7: See is in a movie is the drunken writer who

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Speaker 4: Well me? I started to understand.

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Speaker 2: And you found something in there, and I'll let you

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Speaker 2: say what it was, because they he had it for years,

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Speaker 2: six years, six years, could barely walk. Everybody's seen them.

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Speaker 2: What did you find in there?

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Speaker 9: It was an elevated that there's a part of the

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Speaker 9: white blood cell counts is something called immature granular sites

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Speaker 9: and BESA phills, and these are only elevated when you

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Speaker 9: have chronic, low grade viral infections. And so you're looking

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Speaker 9: back at the I used to read medical records for

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Speaker 9: a living. I'm not a physician, by the way, so

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Speaker 9: I'm not licensed to practice medicine. But I went back

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Speaker 9: he had had this elevated granular site in Besa phil

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Speaker 9: from the time that he was diagnosed until the time

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Speaker 9: that he actually came to work with me.

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Speaker 2: And I asked him, I.

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Speaker 9: Said, have you shown this to your neurologist and he said, yeah,

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Speaker 9: I showed it to him, and he he didn't know

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Speaker 9: why it was elevated, so we just he just threw

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Speaker 9: it out and I said, well, you know, it's not

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Speaker 9: really what we do in medicine, and so I said,

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Speaker 9: the next time you come into town, I think we

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Speaker 9: should pull a full viral panel on you. And so

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Speaker 9: we pulled into a full viral panel and as it

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Speaker 9: turns out, it was the highest West Nile tighter that

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Speaker 9: the lab had ever seen, and so the reason why

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Speaker 9: it was unresponsible to Parkinson's medication. So the reason why

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Speaker 9: I was diagnosed with Parkinson's. If you look at the

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Speaker 9: parallel symptomology between Parkinson's disease and West Nile you'll see

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Speaker 9: that they're superimposable. Right. Flexer dystonia starts off with a

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Speaker 9: shuffling gait, and eventually you get this flexi dystonia where

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Speaker 9: you just kind of start to curl in on yourself.

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Speaker 9: And I happened to be. It happened to be the

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Speaker 9: day that I got the message from the neurologist that

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Speaker 9: you were there in my unit, I think, and so

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Speaker 9: I read it to Damon. I didn't tell him the

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Speaker 9: patient was. But as it turns out, you know, as

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Speaker 9: the viral load came down, his mood stabilized, his CT improved,

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Speaker 9: his CT scan of the brain improved, His flexure dystonia

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Speaker 9: went away, His pill rolling tremor was gone. He walks

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Speaker 9: without a kine right now. He's fully upright that that

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Speaker 9: that Western heal virus is and remission it, remission it,

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Speaker 9: remission mission.

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