WEBVTT - Flew the Coop 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.960 Hell, I suck a dating with Dengler Dared Haven and 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:11.120 I heard radio podcast. Hey, welcome to help I suck 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:15.640 at dating. I'm Jared Haven joined by Dean Ungler, who's 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.919 in a beautiful room and it sounds great and the 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.560 WiFi connection is good. He's ready to go. We have 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.520 a wonderful episode coming up. Obviously, we're gonna talk about 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.080 Dean's time on Bachelor in Paradise. We're gonna talk about 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.560 all the couples are thoughts about it. We also have 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.559 some very special guests that we will announce later on 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.960 in the show. But first, Dean, how is your Bachelor 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.839 in Paradise experience down there now that we've gotten to 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.640 witness it on TV. Well, before we get to that, 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.479 actually have a question for you about the location that 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.519 I'm in since you mentioned it, and I just I 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:49.200 wanted to pick your brain really quick. So I am 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.160 in my house in Las Vegas. I'm in my den, 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.200 if you will, And what constitutes a den? You know, 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:58.680 I just I'm just gonna start calling it that instead 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.360 of game room. I think then just has a little 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.960 bit more sophistication to it, a little bit yeah elegance. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.160 I'm in my den and I essentially have free rain 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:07.880 to do whatever I want in this room. And as 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.640 you can see, the walls are all white. Um has 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.400 your touch on it? Nothing exactly, It's very minimalistic at 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.360 the moment. I just I had to ask you a 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.000 question before we dive into, you know, the meat of 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:21.520 this episode. Um, I want to paint the walls black. Uh. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.720 Do you think that's a horrible idea? Do you think 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.280 it's gonna be too dark? So I'm gonna do a 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.240 lot of like wood paneling, so the black is really 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.959 going to be more of an accent to the wood. Uh. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:33.720 I guess the real question I have for you is 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.399 do I paint my floorboards? Because the floorboards are currently white. 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.080 The carpet is like this light gray color. But I 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:42.600 don't know what to do with the floorboards because like, 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.400 do those get painted? Do those just stay white? Should 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:46.160 I paint them like a dark blue color? I don't 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:47.640 know what to do. You're talking to the wrong guy. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.240 You gotta talk to Ashley on that one. I man, dude, black. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.640 The only downside is that you're just gonna be dark 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.040 in there. So if you want it to be like 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.680 a dark room where you can go and just have 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:03.720 extreme anxiety. Yeah, totally Anton black. Yeah, it's my it's 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:08.079 my my dark den of solitude. But when you're spiraling, yeah, 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.720 just going your black room, it's perfect. This is when 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:12.560 I'm on like super hungover or something, I can just 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.800 come over here and be like this is this is 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:19.640 the epitome of anxiousness. That's the room that Klin sends 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.239 you to when she's punishing you. You know what, going 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.600 you're black dead? Uh yeah, and she's so it's actually 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.440 gonna be like a den slash office. So she's gonna 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.200 spend a litle time in here as well. But you know, 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:30.960 this was a little less constructive than I expected it 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.520 to be. I'm gonna paint the black. I'll show. I'll 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.000 give you before and after at some point. Um. But anyways, Yeah, 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.760 back to Bachelor in Paradise. So did you watch the 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:41.359 finale episode? I saw some of it. You didn't watch 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.440 a single second of it. I watched a few seconds 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:48.160 of it, Okay. I saw when Kendall came down. Okay, yeah, 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.600 that was like probably the apex of the episode. You 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.040 didn't watch Mine Kalin starring Roles, And I know I'm 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.680 such a bad Friend. I'm gonna rewatch it. I haven't 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:57.720 recorded ready to go. I've just been a busy guy, 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.000 that's all. I want to see my my good friend 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.040 on TV in full transparency. I didn't see you or 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.680 Ashley on Paradise last time you're on there. Okay, then 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:10.280 I didn't watch a second of this past episode. Um, yes, 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.520 a Bachelor Paradise wrapped up. We have our favorite couples, well, 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.320 all three of them. Our favorite couples, I guess it'd 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:20.000 be Riley and Marissa, Kenny Murray and Joe and Serena. 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:21.720 And then actually it was weird because it's like the 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.880 show ended and then they did like a little like 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.440 an eighties montage of like this is where they are 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.120 now kind of thing. And then we also come to 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.400 find out that Noah and Abigail are dating and in love, 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:35.320 and Thomas and Becca are dating and in love. So 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.440 there's actually five six couples of you count Aaron and 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.640 James that came off this season. Um, which has to 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.480 be some sort of record, I would say. And they're 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.480 not just like these flimsy couples where you get sometimes 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.080 where it's like, yeah, well date, but it seems like 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.640 every one of these couples is fully in love with 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.960 each other, So I think that's a pretty Who do 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:58.400 you think is gonna make it? Do you think they'll 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.080 all make it? Do you think there's one couple that 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.440 stands out more than the rest? Yeah, the optimist in 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:04.800 me is gonna say that they're all gonna make it. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:06.320 I think that you kind of always have to come 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:07.960 out of hoping that everyone makes it right. Like, I'm 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.600 sure you would say the same thing. But the realist 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.040 in me is gonna like, at least half of them 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.480 have to end up right because we've been through it. Dude, 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.359 we're jaded. I mean, how many engagements have we seen? 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.880 How many people do we know have gotten engaged on 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.120 this show and it just doesn't end well. They don't 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.480 get married. I mean there's nothing wrong with that, Like, listen, 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.880 you get engaged, doesn't work out? Like I just yeah, 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.000 I don't think all the couples are gonna work out. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.880 The odds are against them. You're right, But between the 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.719 two of us, we've got like at least ten x 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:41.560 ten ten appearances on reality dating television. I will say 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.520 it's it's it's interesting, Um, the difference between being on 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.240 the show and then just watching it as like an 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.680 audience member. Obviously, like we don't have the the like 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:50.919 the insider knowledge that we would from our respective like 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.680 Batchelor and Paradise seasons. But I do remember specifically from 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.560 both seasons, even the second one where I only was 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.640 on the show for like four days, like you can 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.680 just out like this couple is not gonna last, this 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.880 couple is gonna do really well, this couple has like 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.920 they're just doing it for Cloud or whatever it is. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.400 This season, as an audience member, it didn't seem like 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.279 there was anyone like chasing Cloud in the broader sense 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:13.839 that we've seen people do it in the past, at 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.719 least in my opinion. Um, like everyone seems genuinely love 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.119 with each other, and they all seem like they're pretty 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.000 good matches with each other. So like that's why the 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.040 optive missed in me is like saying they they're all 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.680 gonna work out. Um, but yeah, like we were saying, 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.200 it's just like probably not gonna be the case. Probably not. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.920 I mean, that's very sweet that you're being a hopeless romantic. 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.320 But who's who's your favorite to come from the from 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.160 the show, Because I mean, I obviously didn't get to 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.119 watch the entire finale, but you still have a pretty 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.760 good grasp on everyone that left the show together. Yeah. Yeah, Well, obviously, 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:45.240 I guess my favorite couple would be Joan Serena because 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.120 we're friends with Joe. I know Joe. I'm rooting for Joe. 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.640 I love Joe, but obviously also my heart goes out 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.520 to Kendall. I don't know why she went back down there. 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:01.280 I don't know what she was thinking, but I I'm 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.000 there's a part of me that feels terrible for Kendall, 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.280 but I'm also extremely happy for Joe. So I'd say 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:11.200 Joe and Serena because I want Joe to be happy. Uh. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:17.599 Mari and Kenny interesting couple. Uh, Kenny, I like. I 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.120 like Kenny A Lott, so rooting for them. Merica and 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.880 Riley I don't know much about Wait. Wait, so you 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.719 had some reservations about Kenny and Mary, but you clearly 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.360 like Kenny. So does that mean your reservations live solely 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.440 on the Marie side of things? Uh? No, I guess 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.760 my reservations are more for Kenny, even though I like 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.160 Kenny because he's just been honest this entire time in 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.560 dating multiple women and just doing what he wants to do. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.160 But so I guess my reservations are more with Kenny 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:47.240 than anything. But I still like Ken anytime. So my 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:51.640 question is, Abigail and Noah and Becca and Thomas broke 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:56.640 up now and now they're back together. So my question, 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.559 do you think that they broke up because they didn't 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.760 think that there were good in a relationship anymore? Or 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.720 do you think they broke up because they didn't want 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.080 to get engaged at the end of the show, so 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.160 they were like, well, we're not going to get engaged, 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:15.680 will break up and then we'll just start dating afterwards. Yeah, 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.040 you know what I'm trying to get it, Since you didn't, 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:19.960 since you didn't watch the episode, I'll just I guess 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.600 take their hands on this one perfect um. It seemed 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.000 like with Thomas and Becca, at least that Thomas really 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.160 wanted to be in a relationship with Becca. But Becca, 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.080 obviously having been through the ringer quite a few times already, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:34.680 both with our and uh Garrett, she understandably was like 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.640 super hesitant. She's like, you know, I'm not gonna happen again, 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.440 Like I think we should part ways. And then I 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.560 guess they probably like reconnected after the show is filming. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.640 So that's one of the like the rare occasions where 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.520 it seems like where the girl is doing the dumping right, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:49.920 it always seems kind of like near the end, like 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:51.040 the guy is kind of like the one that's like, 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.240 I'm not into this, um so Becca, I think that 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:55.520 she just didn't want to have the pressure of another 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.840 TV engagement or any type of potential pressure from even 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.280 leaving in a relationship like that. And then No One. 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.120 Abigail was an interesting one because we didn't really see 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:05.520 like a whole lot of them all season long, but 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.040 they always like would cut to the I T M 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:10.560 and they're always be like, yeah, we're the most solid 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.760 couple here in Paradise, and you're like, yeah, I guess, 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:14.640 but like do you never really anything to prove it? 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.640 And so I think their issue was that they really 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.040 liked each other, but there was never like, uh, there's 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:21.680 never a turning point where they were like, wow, you 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.680 like really really like each other. Even though it did 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.040 say that he was falling in love with Abigail and 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:26.880 Abigail was gonna stay back to him. I feel like 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.840 they were like a super super slow burn and then 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.360 so they like, you know, look at all the other 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:34.959 couples around them, and they're all like madly in love, 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:36.439 and then they're still like liking each other and like 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.120 each other. Nothing's going wrong, but nothing's going great, and 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.480 so that's kind of why, in my opinion, they were like, yeah, 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.080 let's just get out of here. Separately, speaking of Abigail, 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.880 do you make anything of this dale Claire and Abigail drama? 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.840 I saw something about that. Um, I didn't really follow 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.800 it too closely, but would you have like a do 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.520 you have a an inside knowledge? But the t is 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:02.400 Claire posted a photo. Uh so her mom has been 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:06.400 sick for a while, which is really sad, and you know, 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.160 Claire is super close to her, and she posted a 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:13.480 picture of her, I believe, holding hands with her mom 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:17.400 and saying about how you know, it's been tough times. 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.359 They obviously just and she just ended a public relationship 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.040 and going into things of that nature. But then she 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:28.079 tagged Abigail in the picture, so she just pretty much 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.079 says in this I'm choosing not to speak right now 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:31.920 in the details of my relationship because at the end 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.280 of the day, anyone could put their own opinion or 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:39.200 throw words together from any narrative they want. Uh So 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.000 she just goes on. She says, I'm thankful for the 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.480 people in my life who offer genuine, unconditional love with 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.760 no personal gain and stand by me through thick infant 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.720 especially when the cameras are off with no accolades. Actions 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:55.640 speak for themselves. So she posted that and tagged Abigail. Obviously, 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.000 everybody's screenshot at it, if that's if you can do 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:03.720 a past tensive screen shot, and then she untagged Abigail. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.640 And now there's this whole thing coming out that Dale 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.959 and Abigail possibly hooked up when Dale and Claire was 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.400 still together. But it's all just the rumor mill. Nobody 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.040 knows any thoughts on it. You were smiling. Do you 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.720 have like inside knowledge about this? I well, I definitely 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.960 have any inside knowledge of it. Unfortunately, I uh, I 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.440 do remember seeing that the tag of Abigail, But then 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:29.280 I remember since like since, because of this podcasting, because 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.400 Kaylin and I've been watching Bachelor in Paradise. I'll like search, 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:33.760 you know, Bachelor contestants on Instagram every once in a while. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.160 So now my explore page is like almost all like 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.840 Bachelor news, and so I've seen like a lot of 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.320 like Instagram photos of like what is the truth behind 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.880 the Abigail, Like how did Abigail get ripped in this 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.000 whole Derrek Dale Claire thing? And I haven't I just 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:49.680 haven't really been interested enough to even click on it 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.959 to kind of get the inside scoop on what's going on. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:58.120 But it just seems I don't know, it seems fishy 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.360 to me, you know, and not fishy on their side 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.480 of it just seems like a weird rumor. It's very weird. 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.280 It's it's from left field, as they said, it just 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.320 it doesn't seem like it's just it doesn't seem true 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:09.840 to me. But again, this is just from someone that 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.960 doesn't has no information whatsoever. It just doesn't seem it 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.320 was very random. So I don't know what the hell 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.559 is going on, but I want to ask because we're 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.880 talking about Abigail. But I want to mention Becca and 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.360 Thomas as well. You know, Becca is such a veteran 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.959 of the show. I wonder if she pulled a veteran 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:30.319 wildly move and was like she went to Thomas knew 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.480 she didn't want to get engaged, but was afraid that 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.520 Thomas was going to propose at the end of the show. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.440 So maybe she went to Thomas and said, listen, I 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.080 don't want you getting pressured into proposing to me. I 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.160 don't want to be in another I don't want another 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.880 Bachelor engagement. Because when you think about it, Becca has 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.920 been proposed to two times on the show, so if 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.319 she got proposed to in Paradise, that would have made 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.960 three times she left the show engaged. That's a ton. 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.800 So I wonder if Becca was like, listen, I don't 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.800 want you to propose, and I think it's probably would 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.040 be best for our relationship if we take the pressure 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.800 off a little bit. We break up. We leave Paradise 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.040 broken up, even though we know once we get out 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.120 of this we're gonna start dating again and work on 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.240 this relationship and start dating in the real world. And 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.439 I wonder if she did that as an old veteran 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.800 wildly move and Thomas was like, yeah, sure, as long 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.120 as you know we're happy and we're on the same page, 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.200 let's do it. You know. I actually I think there's 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.560 a lot of merit to that, because, yeah, finally something 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:40.920 I say. The breakup between Becca and Thomas Caitlin looked 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:42.480 over at me and she was like, that's some of 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.920 the worst acting I've ever seen in my life. And 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.079 I was like, you know what, that is really bad 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.000 acting or he like, it just didn't make sense in 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.360 the context of like his reaction to what was going on, 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.240 Like it was just it seemed like a huge overreaction. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.720 And I I I hesitate to say that the acting 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.160 things specifically because I'm sure You've been accused of acting 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:05.880 on the show. I've been accused of acting on the show, 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.840 and it there's no truth to that for me at least, 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.800 I'm sure for you as well, And so for me 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.719 to say that about Thomas is a little unfair. But 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.440 it just seemed a little contrived. And I do agree 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.000 with where you're coming from. It seems like that could 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.480 definitely be the case. But I mean, you can't really 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.240 blame Beckay, like you know, like you said, she's been 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:27.520 proposed to twice and both those proposals have ended, uh 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:31.319 without a marriage obviously, so this kind of like let 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.520 her regain some of the power on her own and 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.200 have a little bit more say I guess and the 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.959 way things are gonna go. But uh, yeah, I don't 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.600 know it. It was a good season overall. I would say, 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:45.400 you know, it's probably the first ever Bachelor show Bachelor, 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.920 Bachelor at Bachelor in Paradise that I've watched every episode 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.720 of the season of aside from the ones that I've 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.280 been on, you know, so like that's that's saying something. 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.400 I think. I think it was a little more, a 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.720 little more interesting than I normally would give a show 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.480 like that credit for compelling TV. Paradise is the best 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.720 out of the three between Bachelor, Bachelor and Paradise and Bachelorette. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.520 I would much rather watch Bachelor in Paradise. It definitely 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:11.920 is it definitely like even this season it kind of 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:13.400 got drug out a little bit, Like there was a 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.240 couple episodes in the middle where I was like, okay, 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:16.840 like I'm ready for the show to be over, and 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.760 it's a sidebar. It's the perfect show to like watch 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.080 because I could like sit on my phone and do 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.120 a Crossford puzzle or like stroll Instagram, and I could 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:26.920 put my phone down for ten minutes, get back into it, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:28.920 and then like be bored to pick up my phone again. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.240 It's like one of those shows where you can kind 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.360 of tune in and out of little Mindless but that's 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.000 the purpose of it, that's what makes it so good. Yeah, exactly. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.360 And then with Bachelor and Bachelorette, it just seems so 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.680 much longer and there's like so much less uh less 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.080 variation from episode to episode, Like, yeah, you kind of 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.600 are whittling it down, but it's just, uh it just 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.440 seems like a little bit more drug out my I 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.640 think my attention span maybe isn't it what it needs 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.840 to be for a show like that for the Bachelor Bachelorette. 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:56.560 But yeah, yeah, I mean listen, I want to show 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.960 to last forever. The show is very beneficial for us. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.520 I love the show. I'm extremely grateful for the show. 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.800 But yeah, Paradise is my favorite by far. Wasn't Jesse 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.880 Palmer announced as the host of Bachelor? Yes, he was 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.880 officially Jesse Palmer. What are your thoughts about that? Before 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.800 we get I was gonna ask you, I've never met 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:17.040 the guy? Uh yeah, I mean fine, I like Jesse Palmer. 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.720 I've i've we i've actually and I have been him once. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.400 He was very nice, very cordial. He knew who we were, 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:27.000 which was so humbling. Um, so I'm definitely excited for him. 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.640 I feel like they've been grooming him to be Chris Harrison, 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.200 Chris Harrison's replacement for quite some time. I mean again, 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:35.720 there's definitely a part of me that Mrs Chris on 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.320 the show. I I do. I He's just been such 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.680 a staple in the franchise. He's a friend. I miss. 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.000 I miss hearing his voice. Don't call me creepy, but 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.880 you know when it's like the intro and welcome to Paradise, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.040 and you know, the most dramatic season ever, Like it 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.560 was such a funny gag towards the end, but it 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:57.520 was it was nice to have. Uh So, I think, 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.880 you know, he's I don't know, is he God? I 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.640 keep fumbling on her words. Is he going to be 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.640 the host moving forward? Or is he just this host 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.360 for this upcoming season and then we're gonna see where 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.320 this goes? I mean, I am the wrong person I 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.200 asked that question too. I would imagine it probably put 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:19.200 him on like a one season contract with the possibility 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:20.520 to extend it, you know what I mean, So like, 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.080 let's see how the first season goes and they go 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.320 from there. I do remember, And actually it's funny because 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.960 I think you and I attended this showing together. That 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.440 show listened to your was it listen to your heart? 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.680 The proposal? The proposal? Oh, that's right where we were 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.960 in the audience with Nick. With Nick and like I 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.760 think Courtney or Lily was there with us to do 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.160 that horrible, horrible show. He was the host of that. 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.040 He's a bring your job of it, he was. I mean, dude, 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.280 we were talking about We called him one take Jesse, 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:53.000 One take Jesse. Yeah, he's he's a he's a professional, 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.280 and so you gotta give the guys some credit. I again, 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:56.680 I don't know anything about him. I know that he 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.200 played football. Uh that's about it. I didn't know anything 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.280 about Chris. Still don't really know much about him. But 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:04.359 I think that's kind of like that's kind of what 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:05.720 you want out your host, you know, like a little 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:10.720 nondescript um, a little vanilla, a little bland, because if 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:12.280 they're a little two out there, then they're going to 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.240 take away from kind of the the interest of the 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.480 show that's going on. So I'm excited to watch. I 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.640 guess um, we'll see how I'm definitely excited for him. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.560 I think I think he'll do great. I think he's 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.440 gonna be really good. Yeah, I mean, if it's not 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.200 gonna be me, Jesse Palmer is a good choice. I agree. 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:31.600 It's funny. Actually, I got a lot of a lot 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:36.120 of backlash for my hosting on Paradise in the final episode. 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.120 Let's have a backlash. It's pretty hard. Actually, I'm curious 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:40.719 to know how did it go for you. Did you 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.560 have like lines that you were supposed to recite or 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:45.560 would they just like basically send you. Actually, I was 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.880 like a gist of what to explain to everyone. I mean, 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:49.920 they gave us like a general idea of what was 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.119 going to happen, but no no lines or anything like that. 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.080 We just kind of so they give they give Kaitlin 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.680 and I like full on scripts, and we didn't have 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.639 much time to memorize the scripts. And even if we 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.119 had more time to memorize it, like we're not you know, 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.920 we're not good at like we're not actors in any sense. 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.760 So like it came across very robotic and it's so funny. 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:11.840 In the moment, I was like, Wow, I crushed it, 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:13.640 And then watching the show back, I was like, wow, 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.160 that was really really, really bad. And then the time 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:18.760 that we didn't have a script where they were just 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.439 like okay, just kind of like free ball it. They 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.040 didn't hear any of it. So there was probably like 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.840 a good thirty minutes of conversation with a lot of 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.440 the girls right before they went down to the proposal 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.879 area that didn't get aired. There's a couple of things 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.159 up in the plot, but that didn't get aired. And 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:34.880 I'll be honest with you, I didn't think that any 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:36.159 of it was gonna get aired. I thought that's how 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.680 bad it was. So the fact that we were even 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.080 still on TV, in my opinion, is a bit of 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.959 a blessing. So um, it's interesting to hear that you 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.240 didn't have quite the structure that we did. I guess, well, 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.360 they just they you know, they know we're naturals. They're like, hey, 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.040