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Speaker 1: Cole Cuberlic SEC Network, ESPN, like fifteen other things, and

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Speaker 1: we chatted for like an hour plus about all sorts

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Speaker 2: This is our conversation with our buddy Cole kublic Welcome.

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Speaker 1: In time to time we like to welcome in special

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Speaker 1: sometimes friends of the program knock on the door and

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Speaker 1: that friend, and the knock has come and he has arrived,

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Speaker 1: so we welcome him in again. And look, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what we're going to talk about. It's Memorial Day

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Speaker 1: eve as this is playing. But I felt patriotic. I

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Speaker 1: I guess my first question is how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well better than you. It sounds like with

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Speaker 3: a little concerned about you. This doesn't feel normal. No challets,

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Speaker 3: no white tea. This, I mean, what are we even

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Speaker 3: Are we launching a new show?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 1: I'd be lying if I said I knew what we

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Speaker 1: So you remember the Maguire home run chase in the

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Speaker 1: then fast forward all these years later and I'm not

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Speaker 1: a youth in West central Georgia anymore, and I got

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Speaker 2: So it's a bad time for your boy here.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't sound like paid state material. Number one, we

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Speaker 4: Somebody's getting the acts here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but hey, you know what, You're playing through it,

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Speaker 1: And I'm leaning forward so I can't even lean on

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Speaker 1: But yet, no one wants to be scratched with a

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think what we'll find it out about

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Speaker 3: you is just that one you're soft, and two if

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Speaker 3: So I love I love those questions about like playing

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Speaker 3: This was going on I guess on social media last week,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm almost as sure, because I mean, so poop

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Speaker 3: Now, well, what I found out was that there were

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Speaker 4: This wasn't one individual.

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Speaker 3: And you people that pick up your dog's poop in

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Speaker 3: And I've got nothing for you, so I couldn't put

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Speaker 1: Like the anti neighborhood watch approach to poop gate has

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Speaker 1: been taken, it's beautifully done. Yeah, so it says here,

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Speaker 1: It says here you host a show named Mac and Cube,

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Speaker 1: and it says that you work for SEC Network and ESPN.

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Speaker 4: No one's ever known the name of it.

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Speaker 3: Technically it's that podcast that that guy does, or that

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Speaker 3: We're just literally running in circles some baby YouTube show

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Speaker 1: If the people can't tell watching right now, something happened

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Speaker 1: for those of you watching, it is called the Cube

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Speaker 1: Show podcast and it is available to a wonderful resource.

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Speaker 1: I would highly subscribe you, or I advise you to

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Speaker 2: That's a yes. Yes, the no no is what.

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Speaker 3: Please name the podcast. Please reference it by name and

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Speaker 3: location of where you found it would also be prefable

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Speaker 3: via Spotify, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, at Cube Show on social media,

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Speaker 3: at Cube Show sixty one via YouTube. That's all we need.

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Speaker 3: Just throw us a bone and say, this is where

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Speaker 3: is when you decide to do that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Yes, Cube show cute. It's not me, by

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Speaker 1: the way, I'm not the guilty part of it.

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Speaker 2: Cube show. That was their show prep. And that's all yeah,

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Speaker 2: good one. That's a good one, all right. So let's

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Speaker 2: let's do something different. Let's talk about actual college football.

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Speaker 1: So every time I am on a radio hit right now,

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Speaker 1: people are asking about sleeper teams. And you you actually

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Speaker 1: So I assume you've been getting asked a lot about this.

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Speaker 1: You've been talking a lot about it too, So draw

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Speaker 3: They have one of the most talented offensive lines in

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Speaker 3: I feel like nobody's talking about Washington.

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Speaker 1: on the front. And I don't know if Oregon's going

439
00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,600
Speaker 1: to be like cruising out altitude there yet, but I

440
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,880
Speaker 1: think they'll be closer than any team out there this year,

441
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,119
Speaker 1: and in a conference that's going to be all about quarterbacks, Like,

442
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 1: if you can get after the quarterback better than anyone else,

443
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,000
Speaker 1: that feels like it gives you a leg up out there.

444
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Speaker 1: And I was talking to one of their staffers and

445
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,359
Speaker 1: they said, hey, man, I know that you guys are

446
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,160
Speaker 1: talking to recruiting a lot, and you're talking portal a lot,

447
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,200
Speaker 1: But man us getting bo Nicks to come back because

448
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 1: his dad wanted him to go in NFL Draft. US

449
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,959
Speaker 1: getting bo Nicks to come back, that's the biggest recruiting

450
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,960
Speaker 1: win we had. And they lost Kenny Dillingham to Arizona State,

451
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,440
Speaker 1: so they got a new offensive coordinator.

452
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,200
Speaker 2: Said that is huge, huge, huge. We love where we're

453
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 2: at right now.

454
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Speaker 4: Now.

455
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,760
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see because I mean, Kinny dilling him

456
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,800
Speaker 3: obviously helpo Nicks move past a lot of bad habits

457
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 3: and a lot of mistakes that he was making on

458
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 3: a consistent basis at offered. Imagine though, if somehow someway

459
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Speaker 3: he takes even another step. Yeah this year, because all

460
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 3: the physical tools and attributes are there. I mean, the

461
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 3: guy's got great mobility. He's one of the toughest quarterback

462
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 3: competitors I've ever seen in watching college football. Bottom line, Now,

463
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,240
Speaker 3: did it go too far times and some of the

464
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 3: sideline antics things of that nature yet, But I do

465
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 3: think a part of that was just his competitive nature.

466
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 3: He'll try to run you over, doesn't care for three

467
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 3: twenty or two twenty or one to twenty. Like he's

468
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,120
Speaker 3: he is as fiery of a guy at that position

469
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Speaker 3: as you're gonna get. But he can throw the ball.

470
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,920
Speaker 3: He throws a really nice deep ball. He's got plenty

471
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Speaker 3: of arm strength, and he's played in a football now

472
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 3: where he says, have pretty good recognition that everything is

473
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,959
Speaker 3: going to take place. I'm interested defensively, which is all

474
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,439
Speaker 3: the piece is gone, how it's going to look. But

475
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 3: if you kind of fall up your point, if you're

476
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Speaker 3: wondering about the future of Oregon football or Dan Lannings

477
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 3: his potential being a star one day, which he probably

478
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 3: already is and is going to be even more so.

479
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,239
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I sat down with him

480
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Speaker 3: his first year is Georgia DC. We get into our

481
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Speaker 3: TV meetings and we go through, you know, thirty forty

482
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Speaker 3: minutes whatever it was, and he's just so dynamic, so energetic,

483
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 3: so excited about all this guys he's going through, whether

484
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 3: it's x's and o's and he's diving deep really into

485
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 3: like the nuts and bolts, or he's just talking about

486
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 3: a guy's life off the field and how they were

487
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 3: able to recruit him.

488
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 4: He walked out and I looked at Tom and Jordan.

489
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 3: I said that dude's a rock star man, Like, he's

490
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 3: freaking going places. So he obviously has a bright future.

491
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 3: And you see not just through regular recruiting, but also

492
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: the portal. He's doing damage right now. And it's not

493
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 3: just the D line. They've they've loaded up some guys

494
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 3: on the offensive line through this portal cycle as well.

495
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 3: So I agree that I think that the talent on

496
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 3: the second and third level of the offensive defensive line

497
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 3: is gonna be better. And we've seen PAC twelve teams

498
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 3: kind of fall off the map because of that. The

499
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 3: USC shut practice down this spring. They stopped practicing. I

500
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 3: wan't tell I mean hosesot with you, Josh. I have

501
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 3: never been around a program to stop practice because guys

502
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 3: were nicked up, never in my life. And Lincoln said,

503
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 3: you know what, We're gonna take a little break. It's

504
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 3: like a literal intermission. We don't have intermissions in movie anymore.

505
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 3: Like he took a spring practice intermission because guys.

506
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 4: Were dinged up.

507
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 3: It's like, you go get your popcorn, go to the restroom,

508
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 3: come back, we're gonna push play again, and here we go. So, yes,

509
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 3: it affects teams in that conference because the depth is

510
00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: just not where it is a lot.

511
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Speaker 2: Of other they talk about.

512
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: They talk at USC right now about how much better

513
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: can the defense get this year?

514
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 2: They were.

515
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: They were way down the list last year. I had

516
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 1: had one of our bold predictions. The other day one

517
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: of their fans said, Hey, we're gonna go to the

518
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: national title game cause we're gonna have a top thirty defense.

519
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: And I may be wrong here. I listened to Lincoln Riley.

520
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: I watched the way they operate out there. I don't

521
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,959
Speaker 1: think he's under any illusion that's ever gonna happen. I

522
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: really don't. I think he believes they got to be

523
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: if they can float in that opportunistic turnover team that's

524
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Speaker 1: good in the red zone, that is otherwise like forty

525
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: fifth or fiftieth in the country. He believes with the

526
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: right quarterback, which he'll always have, they can thread the needle.

527
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 1: They can win a title. But I want to go

528
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: all the way back to Auburn right quick. So you

529
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: were talking about A and M, and yeah, I did,

530
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Speaker 1: oh pretty much everything he said about A and M

531
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Speaker 1: with Auburn. Let's just say so, let's say I were

532
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Speaker 1: to take you out of nineteen ninety eight. I were

533
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Speaker 1: to just drop you on present day Auburn Tiger twenty

534
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 1: twenty three team, and you were to see what your

535
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: head coach just did so, Hu Freeze came in, and

536
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: then the the nature of the game today is you've

537
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: got holes on your roster. You've got, especially a year

538
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: one allowance to just go take as many guys as

539
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: you can get to come in there. They have taken

540
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: the equivalent of a pretty much a full starting offense.

541
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: Not all of them will start, but they have brought

542
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: those kind of numbers in and they have according to

543
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven Sports, they have more four star

544
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: or higher rated players out of the portal than any

545
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: class of this cycle. And that counts Colorado who brought

546
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Speaker 1: in like one hundred and fourteen kids.

547
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Speaker 2: So there's a difference.

548
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Speaker 3: Though.

549
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Speaker 1: The point I'm trying to make is there's a difference

550
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: in the Xbox world where you just have a player

551
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: comes in and his rating is the level of play

552
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: you get out of him, versus a real life football

553
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: team made of living, breathing humans where you got the

554
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 1: bricks and then you got the mortar in between, or

555
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: what we would call a team. How long does it

556
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: take man to actually have those pieces form into a team.

557
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: Because even in the sec I don't care who you

558
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: start with, you're running into stiff competition pretty quickly, and like,

559
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: people are gonna shake your cage pretty quickly. And if

560
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: it's not cohesive, it doesn't matter how many stars you

561
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: had next to the pieces. So I'm not saying he's

562
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: not gonna get the job done. I'm just saying it's

563
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: such a new world. It fascinates me to watch all

564
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: these portal pieces thrown together and then ask, okay, but

565
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Speaker 1: is it going to be a team come September.

566
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Speaker 4: Let's look at a couple examples of recent memory.

567
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Speaker 3: Michigan State took what had twenty six guys out of

568
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: the portal and it worked really well, and then the

569
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: next year kind of crashed and burned. Tennessee had every

570
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 3: decent player that they had on their roster left. I

571
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: mean Jandye Morris Oklahoma, Eric Gray Oklahoma, like DeAndre Johnson Miami,

572
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: Like everybody was gone, and then all of a sudden,

573
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, it's not as bad as we thought it.

574
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: Was gonna be. It might be okay.

575
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: But it's when you talk about Hugh Freeze's tenure at Auburn,

576
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 3: I would say he has cleared the first major hurdle,

577
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Speaker 3: and that was upgrading the talent.

578
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Speaker 4: And you referenced a lot of it. You could.

579
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: You could make a honest case right now half of

580
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: their starters on their football team now not on one

581
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 3: side out of the ball, or not all on one side,

582
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 3: but half of the twenty two that will start will

583
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: be out of.

584
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: The port easily.

585
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: Since Hugh Freeze has arrived. It's incredible to think about that.

586
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna cheat here a little bit, but because

587
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: there's too many names to remember. He brought in their

588
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 3: best offensive tackle, Dylan Wait He's the best tackle on

589
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 3: the team. Gyr Shorter is the best wide receiver on

590
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: that football team. They brought him in from North Texas.

591
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: Peyton Thorne is the best quarterback on that football team.

592
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: They brought him in. Justin Rogers is the best interior

593
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: defensive lineman they brought him on that football team. You

594
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 3: brought into an edge defender from app State. That's gonna

595
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 3: be the best edge pass rusher that they have on

596
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: that football team. There's seven eight Monno Fairweather by far

597
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: the best tight end they have on that football team.

598
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: He's gonna have a big year, by the way, So

599
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 3: you've got seven eight positions. That doesn't account Shane Hook's

600
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: coming in, who could help it receiver or a guy

601
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 3: like Brian Battie at running back. That's gonna be maybe

602
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: your second back when you run two back stuff or

603
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 3: catch the ball out of the backfield. It's gonna help

604
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 3: on special teams in the return game. You've got six, seven, eight,

605
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 3: maybe nine positions that he went and got the best

606
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 3: guy you have on the roster. That is unbelievable. Now

607
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: that being said, that's the first hurdle. The second hurdle is, Okay,

608
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: you collected the talent, Now organize the talent. Now get

609
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: the talent on the same page. Have them understand what

610
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: the assignments are. Have them understand what the fundamentals are

611
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 3: that go with those assignments, what's gonna change, how it's

612
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 3: gonna change. And then probably the hardest part, go formulate

613
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: and find and allow guys to be leaders. So first

614
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 3: you get to do is locate them, because I'm imagining based

615
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: on what they were last year and the guys that

616
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: are gone, there's probably not a ton of great leadership

617
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 3: left on that roster. Probably some guys that want to

618
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 3: be and some guys that are trying to be. But

619
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: I always try to help people out with this, Like

620
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a leader my red shirt freshman year.

621
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: But I went and practice with the defense every day,

622
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 3: and I wasn't leading to Keo Spikes and the guys,

623
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 3: and Ricky Neil and Ryan Taylor. Like I wasn't leading

624
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: those guys. They didn't give a damn what I said. Now,

625
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: no matter how hard I practiced, or how hard I

626
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: lifted in the weight room or everything else I did

627
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 3: to the coaches want to, I wasn't a real leader

628
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 3: on that football team. You pretty much have to be

629
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: playing probably starting, have to have been around for a

630
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: little bit to be a true leader. So are there

631
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: guys that they brought in that can take those roles

632
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: and run with those roles and the guys will get

633
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: behind and follow. So you got to now organize that talent,

634
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 3: instruct that talent, teach that talent, and then what the

635
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: next hurdle will be when the season gets here, motivate

636
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: that talent, have the guys to go out and want

637
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: to do things the right way and want to play

638
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: hard consistently and want to play team football, whether it's

639
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 3: situational or just like we talked about earlier, a defensive

640
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: lineman getting out of the gap those are the next

641
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: hurdles in line for Hugh Freeze, but he has passed

642
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: the first one with flying colors because the talent upgrades

643
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 3: across the board have been numerous and I think it

644
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 3: has a chance to make off but a really dangerous

645
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: football team this year.

646
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the other thing he has turned into.

647
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: He's turned into this cycles Brian Kelly. And by that

648
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: I mean remember Kelly came in last year and there

649
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: was all the foolishness about what accent is he talking with?

650
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: What kind of recruiting videos are we sean out of

651
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: bat ruge? There was all the stuff that actually doesn't

652
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: matter that was dominating the headlines. Well, when Freeze came in,

653
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: you had a lot of off field stuff. You had

654
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: a lot of the baggage from his past that people

655
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: made the headline of Auburn hires Hugh Freeze dot dot dot.

656
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: How are people ever gonna send their kids to play

657
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: for him? What about what he did at Old Mess

658
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, And the question was will he be

659
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: able to overcome that? When's the last time you heard

660
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: anyone talk about that? No one's bringing that up anymore.

661
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: It's just like Kelly folks thought, oh, this is gonna

662
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: be an albatross around his ankle. Two months later it

663
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: was gone because they were already getting results in recruiting.

664
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: You were already feeling the positive vibes. Hugh Freeze, nothing

665
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: has changed. He's still zero and zero as head coach

666
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: at Auburn. They still got a couple of months, got

667
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: like one hundred days before they kick it off this year.

668
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: But already that's what the portal can do. Like, there's

669
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: some negatives to it, there's some positives to it. One

670
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: of the positives is if you're a new head coach,

671
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: you can erase any kind of negative vibe before September

672
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: just by going and leveraging that thing. And you got

673
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: playing time you can offer, whether you're promising it or

674
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: just saying, hey, you're smart. Look, there's wide open competition here.

675
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: No one's even talking about it anymore. There's no negativity

676
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: around him right now.

677
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: No, you can gain momentum in different ways, like you said,

678
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: through the fan base. They see guys, and first off,

679
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: that podcast that I do, we talk about it almost weekly.

680
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: How people just pee their pants over anybody who goes

681
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: into the portal. They're like, oh God, portal. Kids gotta

682
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: get him. I mean, it happened at Auburn with a

683
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 3: wide receiver from Ohio State. You've seen the show. You

684
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: see what I do. Players come to the SEC. I

685
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: go pull their film, not watch them. We evaluate them.

686
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: Everybody goes nuts about this receiver coming from Ohio State.

687
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: I'm looking at every game. I'm looking at every game.

688
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: I'm looking at game logs. The kid hasn't played. No,

689
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what they're getting. I can't I consider

690
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: and tell you that he's going to come in and

691
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: be Randy Moss, or he's going to come in and

692
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: even be Courtney Taylor. I have no idea because I

693
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: haven't seen what he's capable of doing. But when you

694
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: add that talent, and then now with the way people

695
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: pay attention to the portal and what that has become,

696
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: you can ignite a fan base. I think you can

697
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 3: ignite and help motivate an administration, and in Auburn's case,

698
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: somehow the collective can be ignited and can be forwarded

699
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: a little bit and people can all of a sudden

700
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Speaker 3: start getting behind that.

701
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Speaker 4: Just a little bit more.

702
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Speaker 3: And let's be real, there is a competitive portion that

703
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: should be happening when you bring in guys who are

704
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: as good or better than me, and now all of

705
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: a sudden, it doesn't look like that's just my position

706
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: to go sit on for the entire season. So the

707
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: level of concern positive concern from players of I need

708
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: to watch more film, I need to work out, I

709
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: need to get inside the facility a little bit more.

710
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: If all those things go up, then you have raised

711
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: the level of quality of your football team before you've

712
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Speaker 3: even played a game.

713
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Speaker 1: Cole Cubling as my guest Cube Show podcast on basically

714
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: any platform you want to watch it on. You can

715
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: listen on podcasts, you can go to YouTube and find

716
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: it Mac and Cube in Birmingham if you're so inclined. Also,

717
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: you frequently see him SEC Network. And I'm not looking

718
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: at this to read your bio. I'm looking at this

719
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: because I want to figure out what I want to

720
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Speaker 1: ask you next.

721
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Speaker 2: So here's what I'll go with.

722
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Speaker 1: I was doing your show a couple of weeks ago

723
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: and we were talking about teams that can win a title,

724
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: and it was McElroy, it was you, it was me

725
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: and you guys had very different criteria for how you

726
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: break down who can win a title. I was a

727
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: little bit more on maclroy's side. I was looking as if,

728
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: as if my wife is on the line, should I

729
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: eliminate a team that ends up making it. So I'm very,

730
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: very broad with the funnel at the beginning of the year.

731
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: You're a lot tighter with the requirements. So he and

732
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: I went like twelve teams deep, and you were a

733
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: lot skinnier than that. So rattle them off for me.

734
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: You can go coast to coast. Who can win a

735
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: national championship this year in college football?

736
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Speaker 3: Well, I gave first off, I gave you an easy

737
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Speaker 3: out because I gave you the option. I was at

738
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Speaker 3: five six, Greg was at like twelve thirteen, and I

739
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: just asked you which one would you leave more closer to?

740
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: And you're pretty emphatic, like, no, I would be much

741
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: closer to what McElroy is this year.

742
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Speaker 4: I think you can win a national championship. I think

743
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 4: Michigan can win a national championship.

744
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: I am teetering on Ohio State and it frustrates me

745
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: a lot of years because most people just throw that

746
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: in like oh Hi to stink you win.

747
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 4: A national title of them?

748
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like two years ago when everybody said

749
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: US top top three team in the nation. Why tell

750
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: me why. It's not that I'm down on them, It's

751
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: just that I've seen what they are when they win

752
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: a national title, and I just I kind of don't

753
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: think that they're that going into this year. Quarnerbacks obviously

754
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: a massive concern. You lose your two best offensive lineman.

755
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: Corner and defensive line have not been the same the

756
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: last couple of years, and I just don't expect that

757
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: to all of a sudden, oh, be back.

758
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: To what it was prior to that.

759
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: Now, if they're running backs, if Trevon Henderson's healthy the

760
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: entire year, then I will probably give them a much

761
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: better chance. But as we pointed out with guys like

762
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: Devin Leary a little bit earlier, some guys have not

763
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: been available for their entire career. So I don't know

764
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Speaker 3: if that's one that, like you said, if my life

765
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 3: came down to it right now, we had to throw

766
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: the names out, if I would actually include or not. Obviously,

767
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: I think Alabama can win a national championship. I think

768
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: LSU can win a national championship. I think Florida State

769
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: can win a national championship. But they be towards the

770
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Speaker 3: bottom of my list, and then it gets really tricky

771
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Speaker 3: out in the PAC twelve. I mentioned Washington before. If

772
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Speaker 3: you were to ask me for a team out there

773
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Speaker 3: that could, I would give you them. And I understand

774
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: where everyone's going to go and say, wait a minute.

775
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: The Heisman Trophy winners back and he throws for X

776
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: thousand yards and look what he does. And they're so

777
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: magnificent and they're magical. This is why I went where

778
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Speaker 3: I went. I think so many people get consumed, Josh,

779
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: when we start having this conversation, their brain goes get

780
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: into the playoff, and I don't know why it stops there,

781
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: but I don't think people think it through the next

782
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: two steps. And that is Okay, we got there. Now

783
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: I gotta go beat Georgia and Michigan, or I gotta

784
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: go beat LSU and Ohio State, or I gotta go

785
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: beat Alabama and pick another team that we think of

786
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: potentially could be there. That's where I reach a stopping point.

787
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: With teams that are a giant maybe for me, like Texas,

788
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: like Washington, like Penn State, like those are my big maybees.

789
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: Florida State's almost in that category. For me, because I

790
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: do think that Jordan Travis has some inconsistencies that could

791
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: potentially cost them in that setting. And see that's the

792
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: other part of it. Talking about the regular season and

793
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: maybe even the conference championship game, that's one thing. Your

794
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: inconsistencies and your flalls will be highlighted to the extent

795
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: in those last two games that it's hard for me

796
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 3: to generate confidence that a defense that literally couldn't touch

797
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: people's ankles in a conference championship game is all of

798
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: a sudden, I'm going to try not to cuss here,

799
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: is all of a sudden, gonna figure out how to

800
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: go get elite ball carriers to the ground who are

801
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: probably bigger, stronger, and faster than them. By the way, Like,

802
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: we're just gonna figure that out because we got one

803
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: d lineman from the SEC. Now we're gonna know how

804
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: to tackle. I don't see that correcting itself in a year.

805
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: Now.

806
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 3: Could we get into a track meet back and forth

807
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, it's fifty eight to fifty

808
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: two and you find a way to win it. Yes,

809
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 3: But the teams like Texas, the teams like USC, the

810
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 3: teams like Clemson this year is one of my confidence

811
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 3: is a little bit lower on doesn't mean I think

812
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: they're gonna have a bad season, it's just in that

813
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: setting the playoff, winning two of those games. I just

814
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: don't see that happening because the concerns that I have

815
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: in the flaws that I know you're gonna have, I

816
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: don't view them as being able to be overcome very quickly.

817
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: This is college football season and being corrected. Now.

818
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 3: A lot of teams have proved us wrong and gotten there.

819
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: Very few have gotten to the playoff and broken through

820
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 3: the next two and had massive flaws in which a

821
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: lot of people thought, no, there's no way they're gonna

822
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: be able to go do that.

823
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, what it takes is it takes the

824
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: TCU thing last year, But it takes that happening twice.

825
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: It takes it takes you playing the very tippy top

826
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: of your game.

827
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: You peak in the semi final, and you have to

828
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: have probably some turnover help.

829
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: You have to score on special teams.

830
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: If you do that, you can be someone like fifty

831
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: one to forty, whatever that score was.

832
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: You got to go beat Georgia. I will.

833
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: I've never been in a more anti climactic National title environment.

834
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: Not during the game. Now, I'm talking about before the game.

835
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: I don't think I talked about it, Colin. We should

836
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: have done this on our show, But anyway, I'll talk

837
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: about it now.

838
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: So we were on the field before the game, Georgia.

839
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: Some of the guys, you know, some guys come out

840
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: early to stretch and stride and stuff like that, and

841
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: then you get waves and then you get the entire

842
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: team out for warm ups. When the two teams in

843
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: the National Championship game were on the field for warm ups,

844
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: You've never seen anything like that in your life.

845
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: It would be like watching the only.

846
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: Other disparity that I could think about would not happen

847
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: at the college level.

848
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: It would be like if you're watching high school football.

849
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: And if I were down in like Phoenix City, Alabama,

850
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: I'm watching Central and Phoenix City and some team from

851
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: like West Alabama comes over in non region action and

852
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: there you look at the size of the kids on

853
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: different sides of the field and you're saying, wow, like

854
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: mismatch City. But we were in a National championship game

855
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: that day. So point remains there with TCU. But I

856
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: think that's just a roster thing. I mean, people can

857
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: understand that. Go back to Michigan for a second. Michigan's

858
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: gotten themselves in that situation twice, and Michigan is a really,

859
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 1: really good team running the ball. They are really sound

860
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,959
Speaker 1: up front both sides. You don't really question their identity there.

861
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: They've had better pass catchers in the room the past

862
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: two years than they've had at any point under harrball.

863
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: They've been really good at quarterbacks. So in other words,

864
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: they're checking a lot of the boxes you're talking about.

865
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: Their identity is sound, they know exactly what they are.

866
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: They ran into a bus saw two years ago and

867
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: they ran into it again last year. So they're one

868
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: of those teams even that has the ability to get

869
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: there but didn't get over the hump whatever in the world.

870
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: That's supposed to mean.

871
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: So here's what I did, though, your maybe's, your maybees

872
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: are teams that I'm willing to group in because I

873
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: know I reserve the right to shave out throughout the season.

874
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: So like with Ohio State, it's really simple. I don't

875
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: even need to pull down like a projector or anything

876
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: and go position group by position group. I just know

877
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: you've accumulated so much talent you've got a shot. It

878
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: may be that you crash and burn because you you

879
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: were so deficient at tackle you had to go rely

880
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: on San Diego State to bail you out in the

881
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: portal post spring. It may be that it may be

882
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: that my grandpa telling me, if you have two quarterbacks,

883
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: you have none.

884
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: Maybe he's right.

885
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: This time around with Ohio State, maybe you end up

886
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: wasting that receiver room. Maybe or maybe like you got

887
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: noles in there's defensive coordinator. In the second year, you

888
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: see what you hope you would see year one, which

889
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: is the more quantum leap in scaling and production defensively.

890
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: But anyway, the Ohio State microcosm, that's the same thing

891
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: I'll use for Texas. I will never look at a

892
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: roster A and M. It's not a team we're talking

893
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: about about the national title, but even A and M.

894
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: I struggle to just like slam the door on them

895
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: and keep him out just because of like the prerequisite

896
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: talent level that I know it takes to at least

897
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: get there. But like you said, man getting there versus

898
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: knocking the door all the way down and going inside,

899
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: that's two different things.

900
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: You have to in some.

901
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: Cases rely on Georgia to be off a step or

902
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: Bama to be off a step, because if they're not,

903
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: this is like a two or three team conversation.

904
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: No, And I think think the one of the reasons

905
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 3: that I would put in Michigan in the can group

906
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: is because they've been there the last two years.

907
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I do think.

908
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: That I've seen that staff try to become more athletic,

909
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: try to find more guys on the perimeter that can

910
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 3: help become a little bit more athletic on the defensive line.

911
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: I see them at least trying to morph into what

912
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: they think they're gonna have to be, as opposed to

913
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 3: seven tight ends on the field at one time ninety

914
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: percent of the time trying to go out and just

915
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: cause you're not gonna out Georgia, Georgia, you're just not

916
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 3: you know.

917
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 4: I feel like we say this with Kentucky.

918
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: Every year, like they're gonna be great, they're gonna have this,

919
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 3: they're gonna have that.

920
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 4: But you're not gonna out Georgia, Georgia.

921
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: So how are you gonna circumvent that problem when you

922
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: get to it and you can't push those guys around anymore?

923
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: So that's you know, It's kind of my problem with

924
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: some of those Pac twelve teams we talked about. But

925
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: to your point a moment ago, I actually have seen it.

926
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: I had to go look up as last year twenty eighteen, I.

927
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 4: Had Georgia Georgia Tech.

928
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: Now I know it's not a championship game. The biggest

929
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: discrepancy in physical appearance of two football teams even in

930
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: high school, than I've ever seen in my mind entire

931
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 3: life on the field and warm ups. Could not believe

932
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 3: what I was looking at as far as the differential

933
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball, Like linebacker defensive lineman.

934
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: Okay, believe if you took Darnell Washington, Now granted he's

935
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: an alien, but he's a tight end. If you took

936
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: him and walked him over to TCU's offensive lineman warming

937
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: up over in the left corner of the end zone,

938
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: Washington would have towered over any of the offensive lineman

939
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: TCU was about to shot out there in the National

940
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: title game.

941
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: Well, like I talked to Stacy Seerles before the Missouri

942
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: game last year and he was walking by.

943
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 4: I was like, coach, can you believe that kid?

944
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: He said, Cole, if you gave me three months with

945
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 3: that kid, I'd make him the richest offensive lineman in

946
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 3: the history of professional football. He's like, I could make

947
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: a left tackle out of that kid, and probably could,

948
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: but that wouldn't mean as much fun, probably catching football's

949
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: running around. But yeah, he is a I remember I

950
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: had their spring game before the first National Championship and

951
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: I asked Kirby about him when we were meeting, and

952
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: I said, Coach, I loved how as a freshman he

953
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: was a willing blocker, because a lot of times, as

954
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: a freshman tight end, they're not very willing blockers. They

955
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 3: haven't had to do it. They they don't they don't

956
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 3: like it. And he wasn't the best. But he put

957
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: his face basket in there, shoot his hands, run his feet.

958
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, the kid's actually trying to move

959
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: people around. And asked Kirby about it, and I go, yeah,

960
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: he said, you know, he's just he's like, you know,

961
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: he's just so big. I was like, what was he

962
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: walking around like about to sixty two sixty five right now?

963
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: He said, cool, he's two eighty and honestly, Josh, I

964
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: didn't believe it.

965
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: So then I get.

966
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 3: Down on the field before the spring game, and I'm

967
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: standing next to him and his ass is bigger than mine,

968
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 3: like circumference wise, and his waist is like four inches smaller.

969
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: His waist is like my quad. I've never seen a

970
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: human being built like that in my entire life ever.

971
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 3: And yeah, and like, well, I asked Korey had Kirby

972
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 3: at the Regis Golf term a few weeks ago about

973
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: Darnell Aushton. He says, well, no, there's not another Darnell

974
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 3: Washington and there will never be another Darnhill Washington because

975
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: it's only one of that guys. So we're gonna have

976
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: to figure out another way to handle that time.

977
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: You're talking about six seven, six eight, can carry three

978
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: hundred if he wants to do and play tight end, probably

979
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: two seventy or whatever he's going to play in the NFL.

980
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: Amazing.

981
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: So here's what I want to do and the reason

982
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: I paused there, so Colin can cut this as an

983
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: individual video. The coaching changes at Alabama. When you saw

984
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: him steal in defensive coordinator, Tommy reeson offensive coordinator, what'd

985
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: you think about it?

986
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: I feel like Nick Saban was kind of trying to

987
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 3: go back to his roots a little bit to finish

988
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: off and grab another national championship. I think there are

989
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: there are pieces of college football, maybe even the game

990
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: of football and where it is that drive him crazy.

991
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 3: And this first I first got a good look at this.

992
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: I think it was three years ago, maybe two was

993
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: last year. I had him one time, and there had

994
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: been multiple press conferences after games leading in where you

995
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: could tell the local media was trying to bait him

996
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: into how bad the offensive line was, and it just

997
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: infuriated him. And finally, after two or three of those games,

998
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: which they probably didn't run for two eighty or whatever

999
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: it was, but still scored forty two points in one

1000
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: by thirty, he said, listen, you guys keep bringing up

1001
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: this offensive line.

1002
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 4: How bad we are.

1003
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: He's like, what you got to understand is we can't

1004
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: go to practice every day and throw it, throw it,

1005
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: throw it, throw it, throw it, and then get in

1006
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 3: the game and get up by twenty one and all

1007
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: of a sudden, say, well, let's go move some people around,

1008
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 3: let's bring out our bulldozers, and all of a sudden,

1009
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: we want to turn our gazelles into rhinoceroses, and let's

1010
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: just go truck people. It doesn't work that way. When

1011
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: you don't do it, you're not going to be great

1012
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: at it. And I think that there is just a

1013
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: portion of where offense had been going that was bothersome

1014
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 3: to him, and he understands that it affects the other

1015
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 3: side of the football and it affects his football team

1016
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 3: collectively because he knows think about that amount of detail

1017
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: that Nick Saban puts into everything, so he probably doesn't

1018
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: look at just offensive efficiency or passing game efficiency or

1019
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 3: run game efficiency or any other magical, made up mythical.

1020
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 4: PF statistic that gets thrown out there.

1021
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: He looks at what helps his team win games and

1022
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: most likely spends the majority of his time on what

1023
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 3: cost his teams the opportunity to win games and therefore

1024
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: lose games. So I think he just wan Ultimately he

1025
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: wants to be more balanced, and if he wants to

1026
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: go run the ball twenty times in a row, he

1027
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: wants to be able to do that. If he wants

1028
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: to throw it thirty times in a row, they can

1029
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: be able to do that. And then defensively, that one

1030
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: was a little bit more difficult for me because I

1031
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: am not a media member that thinks peak Golding was terrible.

1032
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: I actually think Peke Golding is a really good defensive coordinator,

1033
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: and I have visibly tried to present that to people

1034
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: for the last few years of Hey, I know you're

1035
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: mad that there wasn't a pass rush here.

1036
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 4: But when we're running a twist and the.

1037
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: Two defensive tackles, really they claim the front of their

1038
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: face masks together like this in front of the center,

1039
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, the middle three offensive lineman

1040
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: just don't have to block anybody that ain't.

1041
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 4: On the defensive coordinator.

1042
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: So now you could say, why couldn't you go to

1043
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: the next guy and the youth de Maybe that was problematic, Okay, fine,

1044
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: but I know Pete knows defense, and I know he

1045
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: knows how to call defense. So but I also know

1046
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: Kevin Steel's fantastic and Kevin Steele. One thing that has

1047
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: not gotten a lot of discussion about him is he

1048
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: has actually morphed and taken some big steps as to

1049
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: how creative he is, how different he is. It's one

1050
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: of the things that I think Kirby has really allowed

1051
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 3: to happen with his defense the last couple of years

1052
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: with Schumann and Landing is the creativity has changed a lot,

1053
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: and I think there are some things that Kirby probably

1054
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 3: would have looked back at five eleven years ago and said, no,

1055
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: we ain't wasting our time on that. We do this

1056
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: and we do it this way. I think he's kind

1057
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: of said, well, no, we need to simplify this and

1058
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: make it look one way, or you know what, we

1059
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: probably should run that front a little bit more because

1060
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 3: these guys can be more effective doing that. I think

1061
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: Kevin Steel has gotten there, and for a long time

1062
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: he was just the other Nick Saban disciple, another guy

1063
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: that ran that defense and had his jack linebacker, you know,

1064
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: and played you know, pattern matchs coverage and that's what

1065
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 3: they did. But he has actually presented his defense in

1066
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: a very different way the last few years. So I

1067
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 3: think it will help. Because McElroy made this point on

1068
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: my show, and I never thought about this. He said,

1069
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 3: I think the problem with Alabama's defense right now is

1070
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: Nick Saban and Pete Goding are two alike, and how

1071
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: they think about defense structurally, what they want to change,

1072
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: how they want to call it, who they want to

1073
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: play where. He says, So there's maybe a little bit

1074
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: too much group think happening defensively. Now, one thing I

1075
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: know about Kevin Steele, and I'm not saying they're going

1076
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: to fight or they're gonna have like the Alabama coaching

1077
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: staff octagon in the middle of the day. Kevin will

1078
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: not be afraid to go toe to toe with Nick

1079
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: and will not be afraid to say, you know what,

1080
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: let's try it this way. And the main reason I

1081
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: say that is Kevin knows how to do that, Whereas I,

1082
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 3: maybe you would go in there with our chest puffed

1083
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 3: out and say, look what I found on film, coach,

1084
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: we gonna run it this way. Kevin knows how to

1085
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 3: dance around that, and he knows how to talk through

1086
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 3: that very politely, very calmly, in a very professional manner.

1087
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 3: And Nick has the level of respect where I think

1088
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 3: he'll listen to that, and therefore they will change some

1089
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: things philosophically. On defense, It's good they're not going out

1090
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 3: there and running the old fifty defense at the Bears

1091
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: ran in eighty five. I'm not saying that, but I

1092
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 3: think he will be able to have Nick Saban's ear

1093
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 3: just a little bit more to where he can do

1094
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: things in a little bit of a different way. And

1095
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 3: then offensively, I think you'll see more tight ends on

1096
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: the field. I think you'll see a more balanced rushing

1097
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: attack that's not going to be near as dependent on

1098
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: whether or not the quarterback wants to or feels like

1099
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 3: they should hand the ball off. The quarterback's going to

1100
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 3: be directed to hand the ball off more this year,

1101
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: and I think that's something that Nick saban Bleeze can

1102
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: help his football team as a whole.

1103
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 4: This entire season.

1104
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: You know what I wonder is, even with all the

1105
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: experience he's had and the DWS forgotten a dozen times

1106
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: more than most of us even know about the game

1107
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: to begin with, even he understood there was sort of

1108
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: a little element of the unknown as to where the

1109
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: game was headed, and he himself adapted and evolved.

1110
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: I almost almost wonder. I don't wonder whether he liked it.

1111
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: I know he didn't necessarily love it, but I almost

1112
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: wonder if he looked at it and wondered, how far

1113
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: to the extreme is the sport gonna go down this road?

1114
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: Because as long as it's headed down that road, I'm

1115
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: gonna try and I'm gonna try and ride the wave

1116
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: instead of trailing the wave. So I'm gonna go get

1117
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: the Bryce Young's or the two Wiz or whatever I'm

1118
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go get Steve Sarkis and I'm gonna

1119
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: try and stay at the forefront of this. But when

1120
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: he saw Georgia do what they've done the last two years,

1121
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: it almost feels to me like he watched it along

1122
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: with the rest of us and said, oh wait. First off, yeah,

1123
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: obviously that still works if you can play defense at

1124
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: that level. And number two, perhaps that that signifies a

1125
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: little pendulum swing.

1126
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: And if that's the case, if the sport.

1127
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: Is going to maybe regress a little bit back toward

1128
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: towards whatever I would have considered norm ten years ago,

1129
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: well we're gonna dive in full speed, because I think

1130
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: Nick Saban's always looked at it and understood that if

1131
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: the game is is within two bookmark points of my familiarity,

1132
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: there are a dozen coordinators either side of the ball,

1133
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: I can go out there to get and run my

1134
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: stuff with the players I'm gonna give them and we

1135
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: can win. So I watched the rest of the world

1136
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 1: freak out about the coordinator hires, and I know he's

1137
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: probably not reading the headlines, but if he were to

1138
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: watch that, I think he would have met it with

1139
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: like a collective yawn and said, you're focusing on the

1140
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: wrong thing. People, You're focusing on such the wrong thing.

1141
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: If the games where I think it is, if my

1142
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: roster's where I think it is, I could put Joe

1143
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: over here, I could put Tim over here. If they

1144
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: have the requisite football knowledge, I'm going to give him

1145
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,959
Speaker 1: the ingredients, man, Like the stovetop works are a bunch

1146
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: of chefs that could take my ingredients and cook a

1147
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: really good meal with it, will be fine.

1148
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: That's how I think he feels now.

1149
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: Ultimately, we got to play the games in the fall

1150
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: to find out if A He's right, or if B

1151
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm totally off base, or see all of the above.

1152
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 4: You're not totally off base for a couple of reasons.

1153
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: Number one, and I laugh at the people that say, oh,

1154
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 3: Tyler Buckner, he's got familiarity with this offensive coordinators.

1155
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: That's a big advantage. He's definitely going to win that job,

1156
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 4: not going to be that offense.

1157
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 2: No.

1158
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: And I talked to Bill O Brian about this two years.

1159
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: I talked to Lane Kiffin about it. I talked to

1160
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: Brian Dable about it. You learn Nick Saban's offense, and

1161
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 3: we had Bill the first i think two of the

1162
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: first three games this first year, and we kind of

1163
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 3: didn't believe it, and so I pressed him on because

1164
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: it's like this, Bill O'Brien, if he's the head coach

1165
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: and the felt like he's gonna run his offense.

1166
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 4: He's like, no, you guys don't understand.

1167
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 3: I spent this entire offseason learning this offense, the terminology,

1168
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: the formations, the shifts, the names, all of these. This

1169
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: is his offense. Now I call it, and he lets

1170
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 3: me call it the way that I want to, but

1171
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: it is it's his terminology. So those quarterbacks that have

1172
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 3: been there, they actually have that advantage going into this now.

1173
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 4: And then well, the other side of that too is

1174
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 4: I think people.

1175
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 3: Kind of just bypass the fact that Tommy Reich did

1176
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: have a part in bringing another quarterback in that put

1177
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: that quarterback on the bench, and who knows, nobody wants

1178
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: to pay attention to that. But I also think that, yeah,

1179
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 3: you're you're accurate in saying that there is a portion

1180
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: of what Nick Saban wants to do coming full circle.

1181
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 3: I think it started with Iowa State a couple of

1182
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: years ago when Matt Campbell was living in thirteen per

1183
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 3: you know, one back in three tight ends.

1184
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 4: He had the guys to do it.

1185
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: How many people are running majority twelve personnel now two

1186
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: tight ends, one running back. So there is a physical

1187
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: portion that is coming back. Michigan. We talked about them Georgia,

1188
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: but be real. They had some good pass catchers. They

1189
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: had brought bowers, they had good backs. They had a

1190
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: quarterback that won two titles and could scoot a little bit,

1191
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 3: but they won most of their games because they could

1192
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: bludgeon you at the line of scrimmage. That opened everything

1193
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: else up. And really and truly the most magnificent part

1194
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: of what Georgia did offensively last year was the presentation

1195
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 3: of it and how they made it look because they

1196
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: ran everything like literally, they ran counter, they ran powered,

1197
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: they ran toss, they ran toss crack, they ran split zone,

1198
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 3: outside zone, inside zone. They ran tunnel screens, they ran

1199
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: parameter screens. They had quarterback runs that they ran, They

1200
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 3: had replays, they had RPOs and then all the formations

1201
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 3: and then the motions that went those, and then the shifts.

1202
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 3: They they whoever they had doing what they needed them

1203
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: to do, knew how to do all of it, and

1204
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: that's a massive advantage. So I think there is a

1205
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: portion that is getting away.

1206
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 4: From throw it fifty times.

1207
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 3: How close can we be to the air raid without

1208
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: being air raid and keep some subblance of a run

1209
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: game that is coming back and saying, hey, ball control

1210
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: can still be valuable. Protecting our defense still has value.

1211
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 3: Moving the change has value. Living in second and three

1212
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 3: and second and four still has a lot of value

1213
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: as opposed to third and ten and third and eight.

1214
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 3: So I think that was a massive part. I think

1215
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 3: you're spot on. I would totally agree with those are

1216
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 3: some big reasons why he made the moves that he did.

1217
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: Cole Kublick joining us, Okay, let me get you one more.

1218
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: I'll get you out of here. It may go five minutes,

1219
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: it may go twenty minutes. So easily the hottest topic

1220
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: in college football right now has been what Dion's doing

1221
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: at Colorado because it coincides with Number one, a really

1222
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: big name out of the box, getting a Power five

1223
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: job at the perfect time where he can leverage new

1224
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: rules and new mechanisms in college football. So like the

1225
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: portal roster turnover has been historic. I know, it's like

1226
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: one of the first years that it could happen. I

1227
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: don't know that we'll ever see it happen, happened this

1228
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: violently to this degree as we're seeing at Colorado right now.

1229
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: So I've heard from a ton of coaches behind the

1230
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: scenes about him. Some of them are just flat out

1231
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 1: jealous of the attention he gets. Okay, that's a little

1232
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: chunk of the pie. Several more of them don't really

1233
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: care about the attention. They don't like that, they feel

1234
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,959
Speaker 1: the system is getting abused. Some of them just don't

1235
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: like the system period. And then there are others like

1236
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: Pat Nardoozy, who at least had the stones to put

1237
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: his name on the record and has said I don't

1238
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: think that's college football, Like I am a college football coach,

1239
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: and whether it's the rules or not, beside the point,

1240
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the way college football should operate.

1241
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: And so I've sat there and I've soaked all that in.

1242
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, no one's necessarily wrong.

1243
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: Like your opinion is your opinion, so it can't be wrong.

1244
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: You could feel one way, I could feel another way.

1245
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: But I've always looked at it like this. When the

1246
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: portal changed, when the rules changed, and when it kind

1247
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: of overlapped with the n rules just being thrown out

1248
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: in free for all fashion, and NCAA said, it's legal,

1249
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: but we don't really know where the guardrails are. So

1250
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: you're not okay, We're not okay.

1251
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: That's okay.

1252
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: I said on the show at the time, this is

1253
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: going to lead to a little more a professional model.

1254
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: And everyone was celebrating at the time. Everyone was celebrating

1255
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: players rights, and everyone was celebrating that players are gonna

1256
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: get to move just like coaches, even though that's an

1257
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: apples to bowling balls comparison because one's on contract and

1258
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 1: ones not. And people were celebrating that players were gonna

1259
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: get paid. And so I said, this little desk in

1260
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: this studio right here, and I said, okay, that's technically true.

1261
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: Players are going to have more freedom to move, players

1262
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: are gonna have deeper pockets because they can monetize their name,

1263
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: image and likeness. However, you're asking for them to have

1264
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: rights consequence free, and that's just utopian.

1265
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: That's never gonna happen.

1266
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: And so what I said is, in turn, if you

1267
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: want them to live in the same world that a

1268
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote professional or a quot unquote employee lives. Are

1269
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: you ready to see how employees get treated? Are you

1270
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: ready to see a coach come in and decide a

1271
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: third of this roster's not good enough for me? Goodbye?

1272
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: Case closed. Don't care that you're a college kid and

1273
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,479
Speaker 1: no one wanted to have that conversation at the time.

1274
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: Well now they're forced to because Deon's making them have

1275
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: that conversation. So you're watching this. You cover the game,

1276
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 1: you talk about the game every day, you played the game.

1277
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: Do you have like one feel on this? Can you

1278
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: see it from multiple angles? How have you watched what's

1279
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: happening in Boulder?

1280
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: I think it's impossible to have one feel on it.

1281
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 3: I do too, especially especially from someone who played college

1282
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 3: football at a very different time in which none of

1283
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 3: these things are even available. So I can't point my

1284
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: finger and say I wouldn't have done that. I mean,

1285
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 3: I played for Rick Tricken. If you don't know, just

1286
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: google it. You'll figure it out. Like most of the

1287
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 3: guys I played with would have been in the portal,

1288
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: I have zero doubt about that. I might have been

1289
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 3: one of them. I don't know. It was just a

1290
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 3: very different time, so it's hard for me to point

1291
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: the finger and say would have done that, wouldn't have

1292
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: done this. But I also love college football, and I

1293
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: can remember when NIL first started getting kicked around. I

1294
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 3: was one that stood up and said, why are none

1295
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: of you people talking about the brand that these kids

1296
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: are affiliated with and the value that that brings. Everybody

1297
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 3: just wanted to Nobody wanted to open the door. We

1298
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 3: wanted to plant a brick of C four on the door,

1299
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,959
Speaker 3: probably like five bricks, and just mission impossible that thing

1300
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 3: blow it up. Everybody comes rushing in and it's like,

1301
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 3: gim me the loot. So no one wanted to say

1302
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,479
Speaker 3: this is what I thought was hilarious to a tongue

1303
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: of the headline, to a tongue of Iola lost thirteen

1304
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 3: million dollars in NIL money when he was at Alabama.

1305
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence lost eighteen point nine million dollars his last

1306
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: year at Clemson in nil money. How much are they

1307
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: making at.

1308
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 4: A Sun Belt school?

1309
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 3: How much are they making at a Mountain West school?

1310
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 3: No one, no one even wanted to begin to try

1311
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 3: and recognize the fact that the brands they were affiliated

1312
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 3: with brought even more value than they did at that position.

1313
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 3: Not saying they weren't at players and they weren't great,

1314
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 3: but the brands you're affiliated with also bring a ton

1315
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 3: of value. And it was just ignored. And I think

1316
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 3: because it was ignored is why we just said, bath

1317
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 3: let them all in. Let's just let it go and

1318
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: see what happens and see how it plays out. Obviously

1319
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: it didn't play out very well. Do I believe that

1320
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 3: the portal should be a free for all? No. And

1321
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 3: by the way, I don't even know why we have

1322
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,959
Speaker 3: these windows, because kids are going in every day.

1323
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 4: Like, what is a portal window?

1324
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 3: It's the portal is seven to eleven, it's twenty four

1325
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 3: to seven, man.

1326
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 4: Three sixty five, Like it doesn't really close.

1327
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: Okay, so technically you can't enroll in another school at

1328
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 3: a certain point in time, but the thing doesn't shut down.

1329
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 3: Then we bring in tampering to the entire equation and

1330
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 3: what that is and how do you solve that? Can

1331
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 3: you solve that? There are so many questions that go

1332
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 3: along with it. I would just I go back to

1333
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: this and that all I can reference is what college

1334
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: football has done for me, and every penny that I

1335
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 3: have made in my entire life is because I played

1336
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: football at Auburn. Now, I know some people will hear

1337
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: that and they'll say, oh, what ye a fad of

1338
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: the hooking you up with a job and just giving

1339
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 3: you a check to walk around. It's not that. The

1340
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 3: understanding that you need to have is when you played

1341
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: at Tennessee or Michigan or Georgia or Ohio State or

1342
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 3: Purdue or Illinois or Nebraska or USC or Washington or

1343
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 3: Oregon or Auburn, that there are going to inherently be

1344
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 3: people that want to help you for the rest of

1345
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: your life forever. And I'll be honest with you, josh

1346
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 3: I am I talked to Herbstreet about this a couple

1347
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 3: of years ago. I can't wait to see what it

1348
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: looks like when we get kids that have played at

1349
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: three and four schools. Yeah, is school two gonna want

1350
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 3: to help him? It's school before gonna want to help him.

1351
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 3: I doubt School one's gonna give a damn about it.

1352
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 3: Like I just I, where are they gonna go to games?

1353
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 4: What?

1354
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 3: I took my kids to the Hoover met we couldn't

1355
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 3: stay away for the Auburn game last night. But I

1356
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 3: want them to kind of take it all in because

1357
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 3: they were playing there like we went there because Auburn's there.

1358
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 3: If they weren't in the tournament this year, I'm probably

1359
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 3: not taking them like I love taking my kids to

1360
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 3: Auburn into games, and I don't get the chance to

1361
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 3: take in the games very much. As why the A

1362
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 3: and M was so special last year, I had them

1363
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 3: all in the field before the game.

1364
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 4: Where are they going to go?

1365
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 3: And I understand that your whole free market, free enterprise,

1366
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 3: let them make as much as they want, you know, fair, fair, fair.

1367
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: It doesn't fit into that discussion.

1368
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 4: I get that.

1369
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 3: I understand that, But from experience, what I'm telling you

1370
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 3: is college football has done a ton for me, and

1371
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: it's allowed me to do something that I love and

1372
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 3: talk about it every day and get paid to do it,

1373
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 3: which is just acidine when you really think about it,

1374
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 3: because I haven't, I mean I technically have it. I

1375
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: tell you I haven't worked in like eight years now.

1376
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: I put work into it, but I haven't shown up

1377
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 3: for work per se in like eight or nine years.

1378
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: This is not work. It's a job and you get

1379
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 3: a check for it. But I love it. I love

1380
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 3: every benefit. I love compiling statistics, I love watching the film,

1381
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 3: and I don't get to do any of this if

1382
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 3: I played at a Sun Belt school or if I

1383
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 3: played at a Mountain West school. And I'm not banging

1384
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 3: on any I love Sunbelt football, I love maction. But

1385
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 3: the reality of it is, there are just not as

1386
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 3: many people that are going to go out of their

1387
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 3: way to help you and want to see you do

1388
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 3: good things and go out of their way to make

1389
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 3: sure you're successful after that life. And this for me,

1390
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: this includes medical sales, pharmaceutical sales, insurance, which god I

1391
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 3: hated it, selling boxes, God I hated it, and then radio,

1392
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 3: and then television, and then studio and then that podcast

1393
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 3: out there floating.

1394
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 4: Somewhere that I do.

1395
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 3: Also all of those things because I wore AU on

1396
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 3: the side of my helmet and played a couple of

1397
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 3: seasons of Coege football at a very average level. So

1398
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: we've lost all side of that and don't care about

1399
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 3: that anymore. We've turned into a And I can remember

1400
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 3: when actually the graduate.

1401
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 4: Transfer first starting happening.

1402
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,439
Speaker 3: I was doing a little show on sports radio seven

1403
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 3: thirty the MP in Huntsville, Alabama, and I can remember

1404
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 3: the guy that uhould call in every day and calling

1405
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 3: me and telling me that he remembered me saying it.

1406
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: When that first started happening, I said, it's never going

1407
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 3: to be enough. Understand that it will never be enough. Gimme, gimme,

1408
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 3: gimme mine mind, mind more and more more. That's the

1409
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 3: hard part about this conversation that you and I are

1410
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 3: trying to have right now. Josh says, what is going

1411
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 3: to be enough? Because look where the word transfer has

1412
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 3: gone in I don't know what six years, four years like,

1413
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 3: we went from oh you got your diploma, which so

1414
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 3: coaches and academic advisors completely full circle because it used

1415
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 3: to be hold on, slow them down, make sure they

1416
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 3: can't go anywhere, and then kind of the sabing air

1417
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 3: comes in. But we want to process guys, get them

1418
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 3: through as fast as possible, so we get them out

1419
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 3: of here and get the next guys in. To now

1420
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 3: the kids have smartened up and said, well, no, no, I

1421
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 3: want my degree in two and a half years so

1422
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 3: I can go and do whatever I want. Okay, that

1423
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 3: happened to now it's just I lost in call of

1424
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: duty last night. I'm out of here, hate this place,

1425
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 3: I'm done. So is there a quick fix to any

1426
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 3: of it?

1427
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 4: No?

1428
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 3: To follow up with what you said about coach Prime.

1429
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 3: I would laugh at the people who said that, like

1430
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 3: I read with what Paton R. Dooosey said, and this

1431
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 3: is where I think just the whole nother discussion for

1432
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 3: another day. Collectively, I think we're all wrong in a

1433
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: lot of our daily lives is we refuse to see

1434
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 3: things in the way that we disagree with. So I

1435
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 3: you know what I like in this too. Players sitting

1436
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: out of bowl games. I freaking hate it. I hate it.

1437
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 3: Every fiber of my body hates it.

1438
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 4: But I understand it. Yeah, I get it.

1439
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 3: Like, why would to a tongue of violola go play in.

1440
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 4: A bowl game?

1441
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 3: I get it. It's a month and a half head

1442
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 3: start on your NFL training which could set you and

1443
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 3: your family up for the rest of your life. Fine,

1444
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 3: go do it what I have done it. I would

1445
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: like to say, no, I don't think I would because

1446
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 3: I love my teammates and by god, I just love

1447
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 3: playing football. Like, give me another college football game with

1448
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 3: my guys and listen, I was an open for five years,

1449
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 3: so maybe mentally it was just different for me. But

1450
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 3: I liking it to that I don't have to like that.

1451
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 3: But you know what, I understand it, So I'm not

1452
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 3: going to kill a kid for doing it. To get

1453
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 3: mad at Dion for doing things that aren't against the rules,

1454
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 3: to me, it's a little bit ludicrous. He's not breaking rules.

1455
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 3: He's gaming the system, the same thing that every other

1456
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 3: coach has done in some form or fashion to hurry

1457
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 3: up no temple offense. We've all done that, right, I mean,

1458
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 3: whether you want to whether your guys are clapping, your

1459
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 3: linebackers are clapping trying to mimic the snap.

1460
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 4: We got rid of that. We were gaming the system there.

1461
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 3: Now we got guys shifting right before the snap, saying move,

1462
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 3: trying to again mimic a snap.

1463
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 4: Count guys are doing that.

1464
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 3: We've all gained the system somehow, whether it's holding a

1465
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 3: guy for an extra second or two to allow your

1466
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 3: running back to get past to you. I was never

1467
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 3: penalizing college. I wouldn't know about that. Whether it is

1468
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 3: you know, how you utilize your timeouts recruiting, you know,

1469
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 3: going to see it, bumping into a kid and not

1470
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 3: reporting it. Whatever, they all gained the system somehow, someway.

1471
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 3: So to get mad at Dion for utilize a system

1472
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 3: that's in place, I'll never disagree with that or hate

1473
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 3: on that.

1474
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: Now.

1475
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 3: I might not like it, but that's why Paton Rdosey

1476
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 3: has his team. You run your program, your one, and

1477
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 3: it's okay for him to voice that opinion and say,

1478
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 3: I don't think that's real college football. Here's the final

1479
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 3: question that I'll ask you. What is college football right now?

1480
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 2: Let me pause.

1481
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: I would say it's like a shattered window. There's some

1482
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: different shards, there's some different things.

1483
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: Now.

1484
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: I look at the shard that is mainly focused on

1485
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: Saturdays in the fall, because I.

1486
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, you and I love the shards, by the way,

1487
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 3: like we will walk on them barefoot, no problem. We

1488
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 3: are happy to do it, by the way. But as

1489
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 3: far as a definition of it, sorry to interrupt you,

1490
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 3: it is.

1491
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1492
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: It isn't a classical student athlete experience. We were a

1493
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: long way from that.

1494
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: It is not.

1495
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily as pure pristine as it ever appeared

1496
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: to be. Now, if you ever saw behind the curtain,

1497
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: you knew there were some ugly facets of it, but

1498
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: certainly the way it appeared, at least from a national perspective,

1499
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,959
Speaker 1: way different than what it is now.

1500
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 2: But at the same time.

1501
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: So here's what I'm saying with the thing with NARDOZI.

1502
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: The reason I appreciate it is because if you don't

1503
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: like something, you need to speak up about it. What

1504
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: you can't do is you can't be coming to me

1505
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: or texting me or DM and Cole Kublick or something

1506
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: and saying, I don't like this, but I'm not going

1507
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: to say the publicly about it. I just want to

1508
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: vent to you, because that's all that is.

1509
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 2: That's venting.

1510
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: At least Nardoozy went on the record with it. He

1511
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Speaker 1: thought USC tampered with his receiver. He went on the

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Speaker 1: record with it. He didn't like what deans. He goes

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Speaker 1: on the record with it. So thirty seven other coaches

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Speaker 1: do that. Hey, maybe it enacts change, but until that happens,

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Speaker 1: you're stuck with what you're stuck with.

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Speaker 2: But the question you just asked, that is a whole show.

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Speaker 1: That's a whole nother hour, Like we go to nine

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01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: or ten o'clock at night talking about that, because you're

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01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: talking about is it something that revolves around the regular season.

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01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: Is it something that includes an educational classroom aspect along

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01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: with the student athlete portion of it? Is it something

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Speaker 1: that's supposed to enrich your life for the next forty

1523
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: years versus a short term catapult to the NFL, even

1524
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: though statistically most of you aren't going to the NFL,

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01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: and even less numbers of you who go to the

1526
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: NFL are making it to a second contract. Is it

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Speaker 1: something that is supposed to revolve around just a playoff?

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01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: Like?

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01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: Is it supposed to be something that enriches nameless s

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01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: bureaucrats who you'll never meet, that work for television networks.

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Speaker 2: What's it supposed to be?

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01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: Because right now, the stuff that's in the news cycle

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01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: disproportionately leans a lot more towards the latter than the former.

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01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: That's what you and I were talking about before we

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01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: started recording. Right now, it's May, and we had the

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01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: audacity today to spend a good chunk of time talking

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01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: about on the field matters.

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Speaker 2: No one else is doing that.

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01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: If I told you there's going to be breaking news tomorrow,

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01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: you know good andwell it's not going to be about

1541
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: Michigan's left tackle situation. It is going to be about

1542
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve breaking up or the Big twelve breaking up.

1543
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: That's the sport now, It's going to be about a

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01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: transfer portal problem.

1545
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: It's going to be about NI this or that.

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01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: So I guess I guess that's college football. It's like

1547
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: five paragraphs, that's what the sport is.

1548
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 3: And it's all still beautiful in one way or another.

1549
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 3: I mean, it's said, and you can look at the

1550
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 3: ratings the last few years. Viewership's not going down, it's

1551
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 3: not going anywhere. I think the good news is, even

1552
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,439
Speaker 3: if we took all the negative things and we made

1553
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 3: them all worst case scenario, I still like we're feeling

1554
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 3: we're still light years away from people saying, you know what, yep, no,

1555
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 3: thanks done, because Aubert's going to put that uniform on,

1556
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 3: and Texas is going to put that uniform on, and

1557
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 3: Penn State's gonna put that uniform on, and by god,

1558
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 3: we want to.

1559
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 4: Watch it because we love it.

1560
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 3: We love those uniforms, those bands, those traditions in the SEC.

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01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 4: We like night games in November.

1562
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: So well, you know, it's much warmer down there. But

1563
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: look picture picture Auburn LSU. It's third quarter, it's twenty seventeen,

1564
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: Tiger's lead, obviously, and it's third and two on the

1565
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: opponent's twenty four yard line.

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01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 2: Click play. Can you tell the sport has changed.

1567
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: Crowd noise sounds the same, uniforms look the same, the

1568
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: collision feels the same, the urgency feels the same. As

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01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: long as those are the same, you haven't lost your sport.

1570
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: You may not like what revolves around it, but that's

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01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: exactly what it's doing. Those things are revolving around a nucleus,

1572
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: and if that nucleus on Saturday in the fall remains

1573
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: the same, you haven't lost your sport. We were talking

1574
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: about pro wrestling and NASCAR the other day and how

1575
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: they so radically shifted in the late nineties early two thousands.

1576
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: There are a lot of things changing about this sport,

1577
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: but has its nucleus radically shifted?

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01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 2: I would argue, no, you just.

1579
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: Suggested no, So yeah, I think we're a long way

1580
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,799
Speaker 1: from any kind of doomsday scenario. But at the same time,

1581
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,799
Speaker 1: you went back to talking about the grad transfer stuff,

1582
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: and when it first started coming, your question was when

1583
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,879
Speaker 1: is enough enough? We would also call that a slippery slope.

1584
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: The cognizant thing to do is start screaming the second

1585
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: you realize you're getting close to the edge, because once

1586
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: you start going down a slippery slope, that's why they

1587
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: call it slippery. You can't get back up, and so

1588
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: you don't wait until you're in the quicksand to start

1589
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: yelling at oh man, we're in quicksand you gotta yell

1590
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: on the front end. So if it sounds like some

1591
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: of us are alarmists, it's not necessarily because we think

1592
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: we're going off the cliff tomorrow. It's just because we

1593
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: can see maybe off in the distance of the cliff

1594
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: and we want nothing to do with it, because, like you,

1595
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in working.

1596
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 3: I don't think that there's any doubt that a lot

1597
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 3: of us have inherent fears about where we're going. And

1598
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,600
Speaker 3: I think the main reason we have those is, like

1599
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 3: you just said, we want to protect it.

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01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 4: We don't want to lose it.

1601
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 3: This sport means more to me than any other sport

1602
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 3: because I can remember growing up as a kid and

1603
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 3: Mason to Philip Parts and home on Alabama. People said,

1604
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 3: what do you want to do when you grow up?

1605
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 3: I said, I want to play football in the SEC. Like

1606
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 3: both my parents went to South Carolina, I grew up

1607
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 3: in Birmingham. It wasn't an opener Alabama fan like so

1608
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 3: I've been to a lot of really cool games in

1609
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 3: the Southeastern portion of the United States. My dad worked

1610
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 3: for a guy that was a beg at Georgia Booster,

1611
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 3: so we.

1612
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 4: Got tickets to Georgia games. We would go to games

1613
01:09:59,400 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 4: over there.

1614
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 3: I obviously went to a ton of games at Legion Field, Bama,

1615
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 3: Tennessee Bowl games, the first SEC Championship game.

1616
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 4: I went the games down at.

1617
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 3: Auburn because it wasn't far and even other college football

1618
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 3: Jacksonville State, UA b Samford, North Alabama. I've witnessed a

1619
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 3: lot of really cool college football, and so I fell

1620
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 3: in love with it. And I think some of us

1621
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 3: may come off as alarmists at times.

1622
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 4: It's because we want to protect it.

1623
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 3: And when we start having we start hearing those conversations,

1624
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 3: and we have to be, like you said, we get

1625
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 3: asked about them. We have to be a part of

1626
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 3: those conversations of are we going to the Big two?

1627
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 3: Are we going to two twenty four team conferences? What

1628
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 3: happens to everybody else? I don't I don't want San

1629
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 3: Diego State to go away.

1630
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't want North Texas to go away.

1631
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 4: You know, I don't.

1632
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 3: I don't want Toledo to go away. I love watching

1633
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 3: those games, and I think a group of five. I

1634
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 3: know Mike Orresco won't let me call it that, but

1635
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to on your.

1636
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 4: Show because this is your show.

1637
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 3: I think a group of five playoff would have been incredible.

1638
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 1: Though, oh iheartedly agree whole heart with those I think.

1639
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 3: That's the those Louisiana teams that Billy had, Liberty teams

1640
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 3: under huge freeze. You can go back to Boise teams

1641
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 3: that we've seen BYU if they would have been class

1642
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 3: UAB had some amazing Coastal Carolina the last couple of years, and.

1643
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 4: What Jamie was doing.

1644
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 3: They're like, we could add some badass football and I

1645
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 3: would have watched every second of it, and I think

1646
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 3: a lot of people would have watched every second of it.

1647
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 3: But that's also another I remember Mark Rick when we

1648
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 3: came out of the BCS ERA said, you know one

1649
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 3: thing that bothers me is there's enough to go around.

1650
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,480
Speaker 4: There is there's enough to go around.

1651
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 3: And people Josh I did Sanford football games in the

1652
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 3: spring during COVID. I knew some of the guys over there.

1653
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 3: They asked me to do them. I'm like, it's a

1654
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 3: mile and a half from my house, like, let's go.

1655
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 3: Got to know Chris Hatcher now, he's an awesome guy.

1656
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 3: And I was watching this and I was talking to

1657
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: their ad, talking to people on the administration. Is even

1658
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 3: right after COVID, they were getting pretty good crowds, and

1659
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 3: I was like, this thing would work if they did

1660
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 3: in the spring, like workwork. And fcspan has told me

1661
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: I was nuts, that I was crazy, and I said,

1662
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you guys, just listen to me. Here

1663
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 3: the main reason I'm telling you this. And your buddy

1664
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 3: Brandon Walker was the first to fight against this. He

1665
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 3: was like, they need those pret check games. Well, the

1666
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 3: first point that I was gonna make is those games

1667
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 3: are going away. Yeah, because if we're going to the

1668
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 3: big two, what are the big good? The big two

1669
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 3: are gonna have a ton of money. What do they

1670
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 3: not want to do with that money?

1671
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 4: Share it?

1672
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 3: It's that easy. And so when you look at the

1673
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 3: giant wheel of college football revenue for the little guys,

1674
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 3: it's getting smaller and smaller and smaller, and they're, oh god,

1675
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 3: they're holding on by dear life. I mean, they've got

1676
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 3: the grappling hook, they've got the ice pick, they've got

1677
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 3: you know, the little ninja CLLs whatever they are actually

1678
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,799
Speaker 3: stick on there like some mission impossible suction cups like, oh.

1679
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: They are just don't end it on a cliffhanger there. Hey,

1680
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: do me a favor because we appreciate Cole. He gave

1681
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: us over an hour of his time, one of the

1682
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: really good friends of the program that we have. Make

1683
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: sure you go subscribe to that channel. If you want

1684
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: really good college football talk, hopefully you get it on

1685
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: this channel. I promise you you'll get it on his channel.

1686
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 1: It's pretty new. We need to blow it up.

1687
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: Cube Show, Cube Show, Yeah, you'll see it.

1688
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: It's got less than three thousand subs right now, so

1689
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: we can help that in a big way. And if

1690
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 1: you don't do it for him, do it for me please.

1691
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: So appreciate Cold Cub appreciate you guys. Watch and make

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