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Speaker 2: All Right, how the heck are you doing here on

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Speaker 2: a Thursday? Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Hello, Uh,

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Speaker 2: we're uh, we're dealing with some stuff we'll get into

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Speaker 2: around the NFL in just a second. But more and

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Speaker 2: more sporting events Steve along the East Coast are being

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Speaker 2: canceled due to the smoke from the Canadian wildfires up

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Speaker 2: in Quebec and in Ottawa. It's bad. The Bills for

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Speaker 2: a second straight day of their Ota practice is practiced

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Speaker 2: indoors in the field house, and Steve and I were

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Speaker 2: walking through the field house yesterday and just because of

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Speaker 2: the air intakes at the top of the field house

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Speaker 2: to circulate the air, you could see smoke in the

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Speaker 3: It was hazy in here yesterday and they really didn't

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Speaker 3: have a full blown practice. I was talking to one

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Speaker 3: of the guys yesterday and he was leaving town today

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Speaker 3: because one of the guys on the team's getting married.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to mention any names, or somebody's getting married.

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Speaker 3: One of the guys getting married. They're all going to

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Speaker 3: the wedding, so some of the guys are taking off today.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where the wedding is, Saturday, Sunday or tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I don't know when it is, but they're all taken off.

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Speaker 1: And going to that.

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Speaker 3: So taking full advantage of this last of the day

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Speaker 3: some brief calisenic out in the field house and I

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Speaker 2: But the Yankees game in New York got canceled last night. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it taking off because the air quality was so poor.

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Speaker 3: Extracurricular activities here in the area for some of the schools, yes,

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Speaker 3: they like itchnate all of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Those were canceled. And now we just got word that

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Speaker 2: the Washington Nationals baseball game is canceled tonight. So all

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Speaker 2: the way down in DC, they are feeling the effects

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Speaker 2: of this and there's no sign of it dying down.

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Speaker 2: Canada is right now in a national preparedness Level five,

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Speaker 2: meaning Canada has basically committed all of its national resources

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Speaker 2: to mobilize in the fight against the fires. President Biden

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Speaker 2: said sent six hundred firefighters up north to try to

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Speaker 2: help them out. There are experts coming in from Australia,

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Speaker 2: the fires. It was interesting to read that some of

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Speaker 2: them were started by lightning. Lightning strikes increase with each

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Speaker 2: degree that the temperature increases by a factor of twelve

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Speaker 2: percent at least from what we're reading here. But humans

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Speaker 2: So everything from a spark from a railway car to

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Speaker 3: Some of the you know, you get stuff being written constantly.

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Speaker 3: This was from last night, seven twenty or something that said,

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Speaker 3: you know that at that moment there were one hundred

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Speaker 3: and thirty forest fires going in Quebec, and under one hundred,

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Speaker 3: Anybody out there fighting them because they're in remote areas. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: The satellite photos are fascinating, Yeah, just the distance covered

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Speaker 2: by the smoke. And you know, my daughter works in

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Speaker 2: You can't even see across the street in the lower

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Speaker 3: And you know, as we all know, I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: Because the Canadian government issued this updated outlook for the

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Speaker 2: So good luck to the people north of the border

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Speaker 2: it's it's like a giant animal that nobody can control.

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, and they say, you know, some of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they said Syracuse was the worst in New

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Speaker 2: So good luck to the firefighters doing brave work up there,

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Speaker 1: It's all hands on deck to you.

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Speaker 3: We've sent a you know, I've read six hundred firefighters

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Speaker 2: The Zealand, Australia, South Africa, they're all around.

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Speaker 1: People are bringing in coming in to try and help out.

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Speaker 2: And we just found this out this morning. The Giants

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Speaker 2: canceled their practice today. They were going to practice indoors

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Speaker 3: One of the stories I'm looking at from a publication,

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Speaker 1: It's going remote.

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Speaker 3: Areas of Quebet where the wildfires are intensely you know,

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Speaker 2: At this point in time, we mentioned some of the

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Speaker 2: Vikings will owe Dalvin Cook two million dollars this year

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Speaker 2: once they release him. But by releasing him, they're also

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Speaker 2: going to save nine million in cap space, they'll take

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Speaker 2: on a little over five million in dead money. And

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Speaker 2: already there are teams deemed to be the favorites to

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Speaker 2: that Miami just cleared some cap space with the post

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton is eager to get Dalvin Cook in Denver,

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Speaker 2: looking for an Alvin Kamara type player. And Cook certainly

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Speaker 2: is that Javonte Williams not quite the athlete in terms

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Speaker 3: You think about this, and it was said by a

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Speaker 1: You got Dalvin Cook being released, You've got.

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Speaker 2: No extension.

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Speaker 3: The highest the team that's paying the most for a

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Speaker 3: single running back in the National Football League this year

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Speaker 3: is the Atlanta Falcons. That's Bejon Robinson, the guy they

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Speaker 3: his pocket than any running back in the league. It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: And now Dalvin Cook just gets like kicked to the curb.

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Speaker 3: He's coming off now, listen, He's coming off his fourth

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Speaker 3: in a row thousand yard season. He's got forty seven

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Speaker 3: thank hey, bro, thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Vikings are hacking off salary in a big way.

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Speaker 3: How can you believe you? I do not believe you

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 1: To do what the Chiefs did. Trade the guy, Trade

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Speaker 3: You tell me that's the last guy and then it's

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Speaker 3: We've talked about this.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to play that game again.

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Speaker 2: They live very fortunate to trade away Stefan Diggs and

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Speaker 1: If you didn't once, that's beyond well.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's that easy. I know receivers

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Speaker 3: So it leaves you in the in our scenario we're

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Speaker 2: But I might better? Am I winning more games? Because

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now, Steve, you and I know

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Speaker 2: They had nine one score victories. Nine I don't actually

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Speaker 1: You and I.

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Speaker 3: You and I are both believers that they were frauds,

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Speaker 1: They're frauds. I get it.

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Speaker 3: But are you better? Are you better with those guys

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Speaker 2: It's remarkable, it really is. So we'll talk to Joel

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, but let me say this and I'll

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Speaker 3: Sure they got they did it after trading a guy

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Speaker 2: They did it with volume. There's no question about it.

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Speaker 3: So to put a little bow on this conversation, Andrew Brant,

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Speaker 2: going to be a committee type approach, but I would

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Speaker 2: be surprised if he's not the guy getting the most

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Speaker 2: work in terms of touches. And I'm talking carries and receptions,

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Speaker 2: total touches. I'm talking here.

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Speaker 1: I think it starts out that way.

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Speaker 3: I think given the way they run the the show here,

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Speaker 3: best guy is gonna get it. Certainly James Cook is

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Speaker 3: gonna be the guy that lines up there at the

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Speaker 3: number one in the beginning because he's got more experience

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Speaker 3: in this offense, with the play calls with the players,

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Speaker 3: with the coaches, more familiarity, more trust, quite frankly, and

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Speaker 3: they'll give other guys a chance to earn their way

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Speaker 3: onto the field in a bigger role or a different

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Speaker 3: role or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But until.

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Speaker 3: Somebody plays better, is a is a viable or a

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Speaker 3: visibly better option than James Cook, He's gonna he's gonna

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Speaker 3: hold onto that role. That's just the way they work it.

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Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta, I guess if you call it,

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Speaker 3: if you gotta beat the champ. And right now, James

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Speaker 3: Cook is the guy standing there, so he unless he

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Speaker 3: figuratively or literally fumbles it, it's his spot. But I

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Speaker 3: think there's gonna be other guys that are gonna be

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Speaker 3: allowed to compete, and I think you know they're gonna

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Speaker 3: rotate in no matter what.

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Speaker 2: And I think there are going to be some game

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Speaker 2: situations that arise where the coaching staff chooses to go

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Speaker 2: with a more bruising type runner for maybe some tough

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Speaker 2: yards and that's when Damien Harrison Latavius Murray probably get

463
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Speaker 2: that balled up.

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Speaker 3: That's where I think this coaching staff does it the most.

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Speaker 3: They come out and they'll give guys situational reps, like

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Speaker 3: for a month or whatever early in the season of

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Speaker 3: the preseason, James Cook will be the guy in on

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Speaker 3: first and second, third down or whatever. But then on

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Speaker 3: short yard its goal line, or in when they're backed

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Speaker 3: up or whatever. You know, Damien Harris or Latavius Murray

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Speaker 3: goes in or Nahim Hines goes in. Then they start

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Speaker 3: taking those reps and then that those reps increase or

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Speaker 3: decrease depending on his production. And then you know, kind

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Speaker 3: of go from there and that's where it begins. And

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Speaker 3: they never make they never really make the switch. It's

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Speaker 3: more of an evolutionary process, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they kind of go with the flow. Who's performing well, who's.

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Speaker 3: Got the hot hand, you know, cocle start the game

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Speaker 3: when he needs a blow. You're the first guy in,

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Speaker 3: and then you know, next you and then you're gonna

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Speaker 3: take a series, and then you take two series. Then

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Speaker 3: you're gonna get half the game, and then all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden you're the guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, But it takes.

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Speaker 3: To me, it takes weeks for these changes to happen

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Speaker 3: with his coaching regime.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if that changes this season. Question of the

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Speaker 2: day for you to discuss with us, Which Bills player

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Speaker 2: do you think is the most important to sign to

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Speaker 2: a contract extension? Eight oh three h five fifty the

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Speaker 2: number to get on board one eight eight eight five

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Speaker 2: fifty two five fifty the toll free number if you're

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Speaker 2: outside the seven to one to six calling area, or

494
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Speaker 2: you can hit us up on the tweet sheet at

495
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Speaker 2: one Bill's Live. And part of the reason we asked

496
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Speaker 2: this is a lot of times we see Brandon Bean

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Speaker 2: signing a player with a future here to a contract extension,

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Speaker 2: and you know, July August, right before the season, there's

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Speaker 2: a history of him doing that. He did it with

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Speaker 2: Dion Dawkins, he did it with Tradevius White, he did

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Speaker 2: it with Dawson Knox. I think he even did it

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Speaker 2: with Taron Johnson. So Josh Allen did it. So a

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Speaker 2: host of players have signed long term contract extensions in

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Speaker 2: the late summer months right before the season. We know

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Speaker 2: that Brandon Bean just said the other day that they're

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Speaker 2: going to have to make some moves to get under

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Speaker 2: the cap when they put the fifty three man roster together,

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Speaker 2: because that's when the top fifty one salaries count against

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Speaker 2: the cap, and their projection for that roster has them

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Speaker 2: over the cap. So you got to create cap space somewhere.

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Speaker 2: One way to do it is by signing a player

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Speaker 2: to a contract extension and reducing their cap hit for

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Speaker 2: the current year to create cap space. The other is

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Speaker 2: to move players off the roster via trade, and you

515
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Speaker 2: know you can cut him out right as well if

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Speaker 2: you feel that's the best way to do it. So

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Speaker 2: we're trying to go with the positive end to that

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Speaker 2: equation and say, hey, who are they going to sign

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Speaker 2: to a contract extension or who do you think they

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Speaker 2: should sign to a contract extension going forward? Who should

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Speaker 2: have a long term future here and we can help

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Speaker 2: you out with some of the expiring contracts this year.

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Speaker 2: I'll run down the list real quick, so here. It's

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Speaker 2: a long list, by the way. Micah Hyde, Day, Kwon Jones,

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Speaker 2: Tim Settle, Leonard Floyd, aj Epanessa, Gabe Davis, Jordan Phillips,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Matakaevich, Poona Ford, Tyrrell Dotson, Dane Jackson, Trent Sherfield,

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Speaker 2: Damian Harris, David Edwards, David Questenberry, Quinton Morris. Although I

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Speaker 2: think he'll be a restricted free agent, AJ Klein, Latavius Murray,

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Speaker 2: Shaq Lawson, Brandon Shell, Matt Barkley, Dean Marlow, Kyle Allen,

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Speaker 2: Kam Lewis, Ikebucker and Travin Howard. It's a long list.

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Speaker 2: The long list. So or maybe you've got a candidate

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Speaker 2: that's their contract doesn't expire for two years and you

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Speaker 2: think they should get signed to a contract extension. You know,

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Speaker 2: Tarren Johnson's contract is up in twenty twenty five. Do

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Speaker 2: you want to spread him out again? He's only twenty

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Speaker 2: six years old. You know, Dion Dawkins's twenty nine. His

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Speaker 2: contract's up in twenty five when it'll be thirty one.

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Speaker 2: Do you want any Do you want to add any

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Speaker 2: more to his contract? Maybe not. You know, Spencer Brown's

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Speaker 2: only twenty five, but you probably want to see more

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Speaker 2: from him this year before you make a call on

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Speaker 2: that deal. So you know, yeah.

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Speaker 3: What you can do too, is is give him the

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Speaker 3: exact same money, spread it out over a longer like

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Speaker 3: a guy like Dion Dawkins, for instance. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Dion would want.

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Speaker 1: To do this.

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Speaker 2: He's restructured a couple of times the last few years.

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Speaker 3: Too, So if he's restructured, maybe this will his dead

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Speaker 3: cap hit. I don't have that on front. Here's what

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Speaker 3: it is. He's got four years fifty eight million that

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Speaker 3: he signed. It goes through like you said, it goes

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Speaker 3: through his age twenty nine. He's aged twenty nine now,

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Speaker 3: it's got a couple goes through twenty five. What you

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Speaker 3: can do is add more money on to it if

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Speaker 3: you want, but guarantee everything that's on the contract now

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Speaker 3: and then spread it out over like a five year deal,

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Speaker 3: so you can. And what that means, folks, is anything

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Speaker 3: you pay a player in that year that's bonus and

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Speaker 3: not salary, anything outside his regular salary. If you give

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Speaker 3: him money, like on a bonus or whatever, it goes

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Speaker 3: super extended out the life of the contract, so it

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Speaker 3: gets advertised, it's amortized over the life of the contract.

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Speaker 3: So if it's a five year deal, that money you

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Speaker 3: pay him this year gets divided five ways. That's why

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Speaker 3: you get that gap where you can give him a

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Speaker 3: lot of money, but it only counts a fraction towards

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Speaker 3: this this year's cap. You can play with those numbers

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Speaker 3: all you want, sooner or later, the numbers are real.

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Speaker 3: Those numbers all come back to roost and it comes

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Speaker 3: back to how much cash you actually have out there.

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Speaker 3: And I think the bills are up. I think up

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Speaker 3: around actual cash outs like two thirty nine or something

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Speaker 3: this year, but they're still under a two hundred and

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Speaker 3: twenty four million, eight hundred thousand dollars cap because of

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Speaker 3: the pro ration. Sooner or later that money comes back

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Speaker 3: to roost, and as much money as you want to spend,

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Speaker 3: you're still not spending that far over the cap, even

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Speaker 3: in a year where you're a little bit fat.

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Speaker 2: So if you have a player in mind, which Bills

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Speaker 2: player do you think is the most important to sign

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Speaker 2: to a contract extension? You got all those defensive tackles

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Speaker 2: whose contracts are coming up, with the exception of Ed Oliver,

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Speaker 2: and there's a host of other players too, including a

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Speaker 2: couple of defensive ends. You let us know. At eight

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Speaker 2: oh three five point fifty one eight eight eight five

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Speaker 2: fifty two, five point fifty we're back to take your

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Speaker 2: phone calls when we return here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: presented by Colida Health, it's s Buffalo Bills Radio. All right,

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Speaker 2: here we are One Bill's Live on a Thursday. Chris Brown,

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Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you, and question on the table today

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Speaker 2: is which Bills player do you think is the most

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Speaker 2: important to sign to a contract extension? Very often we

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Speaker 2: see Brandon Bean signing a player to a long term

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Speaker 2: deal in August. Who is your candidate that you would

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Speaker 2: prefer to see that happen for eight oh three five

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Speaker 2: point fifty one, eight eight five point fifty two, five

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Speaker 2: point fifty the number to call. And we lead off

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Speaker 2: today with Tony in Syracuse. How are we doing? Tony?

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Speaker 5: Hey, not too bad? Guys. Sorry I'm a little bit

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Speaker 5: off topic, but it still is about players and personnel

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Speaker 5: and whatnot. And Steve, I think you know quite a bit.

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Speaker 5: I know you do too, Brownie. But so you said

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Speaker 5: something about Delvin Cook and about him being the guy

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Speaker 5: and whynot. And a couple of saturdays ago there was

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Speaker 5: a show where I forget who it was, but they

607
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Speaker 5: were talking about fourteen hundred or eighteen hundred carries combined

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Speaker 5: with college and running back historically drop off at cliff.

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Speaker 5: They're no longer the guy, very few exceptions, Derrick Henry,

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Speaker 5: I think Leonard Fournette, and obviously is why. But anyway,

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Speaker 5: you said something about that and then getting rid of

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Speaker 5: Justin Jefferson and getting getting a bunch of pick back

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Speaker 5: and keeping your players, And I have a question now

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Speaker 5: about the staff that is going out and looking at

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Speaker 5: players at college, high school, whatever, and how they're selecting them.

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Speaker 5: And we all know the craps of drafting players, and

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Speaker 5: you said, just go get another one. And my question

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Speaker 5: is is you know, I quickly looked at kind of

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Speaker 5: what those people make. It's now very you know, very

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Speaker 5: much compared to the other team that they that the organization,

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Speaker 5: you know, bank roles the players themselves. Why don't they

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Speaker 5: invest a lot more into the people doing the analytics

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Speaker 5: and looking at the players and making the recommendations. It

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Speaker 5: seems to me that the team that puts together the

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Speaker 5: Superstars staff on draft day to to to pick the

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Speaker 5: absolute best players consistently, there's got to be a million

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Speaker 5: data points that you could put together to build this

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Speaker 5: superstar team. And because you're right, you know, Steve, if

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Speaker 5: you never had to pay a second contract and you're

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Speaker 5: casting on rookie deals with all of your superstars, I mean,

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Speaker 5: think of think of that team. You know how you know,

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Speaker 5: a stud in every single position, you know, I work

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Speaker 5: in aerospace. I've seen some pretty magical stuff done, you know,

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Speaker 5: putting together a list of attributes and things and some

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Speaker 5: data to to be a lot more consistent and successful

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Speaker 5: at who you're picking. Yeah, you know, I seem offering

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Speaker 5: these guys eity one hundred thousand dollars a year and

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Speaker 5: and just you know, not really. You know, imagine you

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Speaker 5: paid your guys a million dollars and you put together

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Speaker 5: a team of ten guys like that to go out

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Speaker 5: and sign you the superstars, and the draft well nobody

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Speaker 5: does that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I would tend to disagree with you, Tony.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I appreciate the call and what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: but the level of investment in the draft in terms

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Speaker 2: of the personnel departments across this league, there are tens

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Speaker 2: of millions of dollars invested in that end of the

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Speaker 2: football department, not only for the personnel staff that they hire,

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Speaker 2: but for the travel budget to go see all these players.

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Speaker 2: And just about every team in this league has an

651
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Speaker 2: analytics department. The smaller ones number three or four, the

652
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 2: larger ones are up to about twelve or fifteen. They

653
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Speaker 2: spend the money. They know that the lifeblood of this

654
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: league and of keeping a team competitive is drafting well.

655
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: But as we have said, year over year over year,

656
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Speaker 2: despite all of those efforts, it is still very much

657
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: an inexact science, and no one has really been able

658
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: to perfect it to any consistent degree year after year

659
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: after year after year. You'll I mean, look at the

660
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks. You know, as Steve has mentioned before, they

661
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: had the one draft class where they had four starters

662
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: come out of it. Bobby Wagner, Bobby Wagner, Richard Sherman,

663
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: Cam Chancellor, kJ Wright, all those guys came in a

664
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Speaker 2: pair of draft classes back to back. That team went

665
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Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl twice just by virtue of the

666
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Speaker 2: fact that they had two good draft classes in a row,

667
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Speaker 2: which is almost unheard of. They haven't had a draft

668
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: class like that until just last year. So you're going

669
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Speaker 2: back to twenty ten, and they didn't hit on four

670
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: draft choices that impacted them in year one the same

671
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Speaker 2: way until twenty twenty two. I mean, well that's twelve

672
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Speaker 2: years later.

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Speaker 1: Tony's right, though, You're right, Tony. If if you had.

674
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's hard despite all those efforts, If.

675
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Speaker 3: You had the ability to draft like out of seven picks,

676
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Speaker 3: draft the right seven guys every.

677
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Speaker 1: Year, you do it.

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Speaker 3: The problem is this, and I get what you're saying

679
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Speaker 3: in a certain way that you said that you want

680
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: to pay your scout, get a guy who's worth a

681
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 3: million bucks a year as a scout, who can pick

682
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Speaker 3: those guys? Well, okay, now you've got another problem. How

683
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: do you find the guy who's good enough to pay

684
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: a million bucks who's gonna draft you? Now you're drafting scouts, right,

685
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: who's the first round scout? A guy who can prove

686
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: to you that he can pick the guys every single year.

687
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: Instead of drafting players, you're trying to draft an analytics guy.

688
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: That guy doesn't exist, right, He may not, he may not.

689
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: We've said it all the time. It's like a baseball

690
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: batting average. If a general manager in this league's betting

691
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Speaker 2: three hundred, they're doing a darn good job. If they're

692
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: betting four hundred, they're elked.

693
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But the point is, the point is you exchange

694
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Speaker 3: one problem for another. If there is a guy out

695
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: there or a bunch of guys, you want to pay

696
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Speaker 3: him a million bucks to pick players, and they how

697
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Speaker 3: are they gonna turn out to be worth They can't miss?

698
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Speaker 6: Right?

699
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: So you get a guy out there, all of a sudden,

700
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 3: you get a guy who'd nicks all the data points.

701
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 3: All The problem is he's got a disability someplace right,

702
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: something happens, he's got a personality.

703
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: Flaw, or maybe his run his perfection streak runs out, whatever,

704
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: and now you're paying him a million dollars.

705
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Speaker 1: The point is you're right.

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Speaker 3: Scouting is absolutely the lifeblood of the National Football League.

707
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 3: The better you do it, the better you're gonna play,

708
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Speaker 3: and the less misses.

709
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Speaker 6: You have.

710
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: Smart guys, and I'm not saying the smartest guys ever,

711
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 3: but a lot of smart people over the years have

712
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: tried to revamp it and looked at it. They've had

713
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 3: people look at it with fresh eyes. You bring in consultants,

714
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: say how can we do better at this? They talk

715
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 3: to them, and the consultants look at it with fresh

716
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: eyes and say, why don't you use this data points

717
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: and pick the data points and priority all this stuff

718
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: has shown this, all of that. They slice and dice

719
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: this a gazillion different ways.

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Speaker 2: It would blow your mind. And how many ways they se.

721
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Speaker 3: The simple fact of matter is, if I want to oversimplify,

722
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: and I guess I will, just for the sake of

723
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Speaker 3: our radio show. Human beings make it impossible, not only

724
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: on the one end of scouting and stuff, but when

725
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 3: you pick them they're still human beings, and this guy

726
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 3: is more physically gifted touches all the data points better,

727
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: but this guy who looks like a bag of donuts

728
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: is a better player by far. You can't that that

729
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: human beings render all the analytics useless, because what happens

730
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: inside a guy's brain and inside his heart and the

731
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Speaker 3: environment that he's dropped into affect what happens going forward.

732
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Speaker 3: And that's really analytics aren't predictive yet, and that's what

733
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: they're trying to find. They're not predictive. They can only

734
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 3: quantify what's already happened, because these human beings can change

735
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Speaker 3: their entire fortunes with one decision on a day that

736
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Speaker 3: you don't even know what it is.

737
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Speaker 2: And you are right about I think the number you

738
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: were looking for is two thousand total carries once a

739
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Speaker 2: running back hits that between their college and pro career,

740
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Speaker 2: there is data that suggests production will go down precipitously.

741
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Speaker 2: So I think that's the number you were looking at.

742
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: Well, that's where maybe that's where Dalvin Cook is right,

743
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: He's close. He's like eighteen fifty or nineteen hundred to me, though,

744
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: if that's the data, you're using don't you trade that

745
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: guy even for a bag of footballs?

746
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: Or apparently they were trying and they were unsuccessful, which

747
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 2: only further speaks to the devaluation of the running back position.

748
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Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones and to John on

749
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Speaker 2: the west side. As we're asking you, which Bill's player

750
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Speaker 2: would you prefer to see get signed to a contract extension? Next?

751
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Speaker 2: What do we got? What you got? John?

752
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Speaker 4: Hey? How are you doing? Steve and Brownie? How are

753
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: you guys doing good? Yeah? I just I heard the

754
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 4: list that you brang out. And the one.

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Speaker 6: Player that I think that they sure we signed to

756
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 6: the stension is greg Usso okay before he gets like twelve,

757
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 6: fifteen or eighteen six.

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Speaker 4: Because I think he just gets better better every year.

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Speaker 4: And with vom Miller and the guy we gets signed

760
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: from the Rams him learning from.

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Speaker 6: Then he's going to be an expensive player if he

762
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Speaker 6: gets up to fifteen eighteen sacks. That's all I got

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Speaker 6: to say.

764
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Speaker 4: I listened to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, John, that's good, that's a good pick. I like,

766
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 2: he's not eligible yet, right, You have to play three

767
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: years in the league before you're eligible to get signed

768
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Speaker 2: to a contract.

769
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Speaker 3: If you're a first year player, I mean, a first

770
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: round player. Yet he's on a five year deal and

771
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: you have to play at least three years of that.

772
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: Now they you know, they'll pick up his his contract,

773
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: and I kind of agree with that. I think Greg

774
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: Russeau is one of those guys you can see gradual

775
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: and steady improvement on he's He has played extremely well

776
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: for the club since day one. It's hard for rookies

777
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: to do that in this in this under this regime

778
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 3: right away, as we've seen with other players, Rousseau has

779
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: really played well, really played well, and I think he's

780
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 3: ascending and I and I do think whether the time

781
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: is now or whenever, Yeah, he's a guy there not

782
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: gonna let get out the door.

783
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: Tied for the team lead in sacks last year with

784
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Speaker 2: von Miller at eight and missed three or four games

785
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: with a high ankle spring that we learned after the

786
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: season was over, was never really right after even he

787
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: even after he came back. So hopefully he can stay

788
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: healthy this year and really we can see a spike

789
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: in his production even further. I've talked about it a

790
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: lot on this show, Steve and I know we got

791
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: to get the break here, but year three for a

792
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: lot of players in this player development system in Buffalo

793
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: have breakout seasons in year three. Greg Russeu is going

794
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: into year three.

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Speaker 1: I like that, Thanks John.

796
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll take a break here, but when we come back,

797
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: more of your phone calls as we want to know

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Speaker 2: which Bill's player you think is the most important to

799
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: sign to a contract extension? Going forward? Open lines through

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Speaker 2: you at eight h three oh five fifty one eight

801
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: eight five fifty two five fifty the number to get

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00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: on board. We're back in a minute here on One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live. Stay tune all right. Back here on One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Which Bill's

805
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: player do you think is the most important to sign

806
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: to a contract extension. Let's go to the tweet sheet

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official equipment

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Speaker 2: moving company the buffet. What are you miming over?

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Speaker 1: There was something? Something was on my MIC. It's like

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Speaker 1: a web or something.

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Speaker 2: I gotcha, I got it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: We begin with Eric, who says, Gabe Davis clearly he

814
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: was compromised all season with the high ankle injury from

815
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: lamblast year. We know he had it early in the season,

816
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: kind of played through it, we know. Brandon Bean referenced

817
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: it as well when talking about Gabe's twenty twenty two campaign.

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00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: I'll say this.

819
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Speaker 3: If you do, if you're the Bill's front office and

820
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 3: you do think Gabe Davis had an off year because

821
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 3: he was injured and had nicked up, and you think

822
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 3: he's got a lot under his hood, now's the time

823
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: to sign him.

824
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: Oh you get him for less money?

825
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 6: Yeah?

826
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: Right?

827
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 2: But what kind of GM would you be, Steve? Would

828
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: you be more inclined to get a guy done early

829
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: if you're convinced or do you need to see it

830
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: proof in the pudding and wait? And I'd rather pay

831
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: more and know than pay less and hope. Do you

832
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

833
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 6: Like?

834
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: Which side of the fence are you on? There?

835
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing.

836
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 3: If you pay less and hope, and if you're wrong,

837
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: you're out less money on the cap anyway, getting rid

838
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: of the guy. If you pay more and then he stinks.

839
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: You know that, it's all it all. It's all about

840
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: what happens after the contract and if it goes belly

841
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: up either way, you're better off you sign him early.

842
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 6: Okay.

843
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if you answered my question.

844
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 3: But well, I'd say sign him early. Cheaper is better,

845
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: Sign them early. Okay, cheaper is better. And if you

846
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: you gotta believe.

847
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: In the guy, you know, that's it.

848
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: Certainly, And there's no guarantees about anything, but that's the

849
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: way I feel about it. I think you have to

850
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: know your you have to spend time knowing your guys.

851
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: And Brandon Bean and his scouting staff, it's all well

852
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 3: and good for them to go out and look at

853
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: these guys on other teams. You know, the pro personnel

854
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: look at the pro teams like the USFL, XFL, CFL

855
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: and the NFL. They keep files on those guys. The

856
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 3: college guys go out and find out about all those guys.

857
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: So you got these guys. It's also pays It pays

858
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: off when you talk to your own coaches who see

859
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 3: these guys every day and get a knowledge of who

860
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 3: you have and how good are they. You got to

861
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: know that. You got to know that. You got to

862
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: know how good your guy is and why he wasn't good,

863
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 3: so that if you do get a guy like Gabe

864
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: Davis who you believe in your coach believe, no, no, no,

865
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: Gabe's our guy.

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00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: Love the guy.

867
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 3: He's everything we want. He's good. He had a hard

868
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Speaker 3: year last year. He was struggling the whole time. I

869
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 3: saw it every day in meetings. He's in he's on

870
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: got ice in his ankle every single day in meetings.

871
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: He's trying to get better and he just can't get

872
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: rid of the injury. So when he gets healthy, he's

873
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: going to be the guy we thought he was going

874
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 3: to be. Well, sign him, you know, sign him. Don't

875
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: wait till he has a fifteen hundred yard, twenty catch,

876
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: twenty touchdown season before you sign him. Sign him now.

877
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 3: But you got to know those things.

878
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: He is in the last year of his rookie deal,

879
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: as we know, so that is the kind of player

880
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: contract wise, that and being will eye up and decide

881
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: whether to sign them a nine contract extents.

882
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 3: I know it's a different atmosphere, but it's a great

883
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: tweet from Eric. But I know we're a different atmosphere.

884
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: But remember when he came in as a rookie under

885
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: this same coaching staff. He caught the first pass of

886
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 3: the entire season in twenty twenty. Yeah, the first pass

887
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: that was completed by a Buffalo Bills player was from

888
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: Josh to Gabe Davis as a rookie, he was on

889
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: the field.

890
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: He had thirty five catches that year for seven touchdowns.

891
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: Had three touchdowns called back.

892
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: That's right, could have had ten, and his production has

893
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 2: been pretty much the same to the next two years.

894
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: I think they were hoping for a drastic spike in

895
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: production with all the snaps that he got last year,

896
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: but that just did not come together. As we all know,

897
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: his catch ray was at about fifty two percent, which

898
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: obviously the impacted things. And I wouldn't put all of

899
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: those misfires or drops on Gabe. I think Josh would

900
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: be the first to tell you that, you know, there's

901
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: a couple of airmailers in there right or outside the

902
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: body frame, high degree of difficulty catches involved. But his

903
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 2: play was uneven last year. I think that's safe to say.

904
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: And I think they're hoping for a bounce back season

905
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: from him, and hopefully full health will do that.

906
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 3: It's interesting and obviously Eric thinks he is the guy

907
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 3: that they should snatch up because he has some faith

908
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 3: in him.

909
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: We have to take a break here because when we return,

910
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Speaker 2: we're going to be talking with CBS Sports, NFL contracts

911
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: and salary cap expert Joel Cory, who's the host of

912
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: Inside the Cap podcast. He's also a former agent. So

913
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: we'll catch up with Joel as we talk about the

914
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook situation. We can talk about possible extensions that

915
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Speaker 2: he sees on the horizon for the Bills, all in

916
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: hour number two here on One Bill's Live. Stay tuned.

917
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Speaker 1: This One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

918
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: Right time for hour number two here on a Thursday,

919
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Happy to be joined

920
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: now by CBS Sports Salary cap expert Joel Corey joining

921
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: us here on the show, who is also the host

922
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Speaker 2: of the Inside the Cap podcast. Joel, thanks for making

923
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: some time for us. We appreciate it.

924
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me.

925
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Speaker 2: Well, let's begin here. I wanted to bounce the Bills

926
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Speaker 2: news off of you first. Ed Oliver signs a contract

927
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: extension this week and it's not top of the market money,

928
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: and I think most of us understand why. But after

929
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: some giant contracts were handed out to some other defensive tackles,

930
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Speaker 2: Oliver's extension. I don't know if I want to say

931
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: it's team friendly. It's still a lot of money, but

932
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering where you kind of came down on

933
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: it after getting eyeballs on it.

934
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Speaker 7: Well, he's represented by Joel Siegel, who also represents Deron

935
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 7: Payne and Dexter Lawrence. I thought this was the best

936
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Speaker 7: deal that Joel Siegel did from a player perspective, I

937
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Speaker 7: would have let ed Oliver play on his ten point

938
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 7: seventy five three million dollars fifth year option. He says

939
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Speaker 7: he's going to outplay the contract that remains to be seen.

940
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Speaker 7: I'm not having forty five million and guarantees for at

941
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 7: Oliver based on what he's done his first four years

942
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 7: twenty eight basically fully guaranteed.

943
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 5: In signing, you.

944
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 7: Pay a guyfer what you expect him to do, not

945
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 7: what he's done. So they're expecting him to more or

946
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 7: less live up to the draft position, which I don't

947
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 7: think he has yet. But what's done is done. Cap

948
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 7: number dropped basically a little more than half, So it's

949
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 7: good from that perspective for the Bills.

950
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 3: And where do you think the defensive tackle market is going.

951
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 3: There's a couple of guys in Lianel Brownie just mentioned

952
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: that are in line four extensions. At Oliver gets signed

953
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: before those guys. So where do you think the market goes.

954
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 7: Well, there's one more out of that draft class that

955
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 7: still needs to be signed twenty nineteen, and that's some

956
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 7: Quinn Williams with the Jets. That's basically should not be

957
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 7: a hard deal to do because you've got Jeffrey Simmons

958
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 7: at twenty three and a half, You've got Lawrence at

959
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 7: twenty two and a half. He's going last to me.

960
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 7: As soon as Simmons was done, that was his floor.

961
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 7: So maybe twenty four you're going to no more than

962
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 7: twenty five million per year. If the Jets won't five

963
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 7: years and all these other deals are four, you got

964
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 7: a problem. And then Chris Jones said, I hope all

965
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 7: these young guys blow it out of the water, or

966
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 7: something to that effect. He's in a contract year, he's

967
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 7: got a cap number over twenty eight million, and he's

968
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 7: probably looking at I want Quinn Williams to get as

969
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 7: high as possible. The highest paid non quarterback is Aaron

970
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 7: Donald at thirty one point seven million per year. Chris

971
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 7: Jones was the best non was the best interior defensivelignment

972
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 7: last year. He's probably looking to get as close to

973
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 7: Donald as possible. I don't think he passes Donald, but

974
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 7: he's looking to get as close to thirty as he

975
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 7: possibly can.

976
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: And then shifting it to the running back position. With

977
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 2: the Dalvin Cook news that we got today, I mean,

978
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: it's not surprising to any of us, but it looks

979
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: like it's gonna actually happen before the week is out officially.

980
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: And there's a guy that's, you know, twenty seven years old,

981
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: didn't exactly have the best offensive line in front of

982
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 2: him last year, which impacted his production. And they're saying, well,

983
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 2: we couldn't even find a trade partner to trade this guy,

984
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: and he's going to be out on the street here.

985
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 2: It looks like very soon. And you know, you pointed

986
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: out in a recent write up on CBS Sports about

987
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 2: how the Giants and Saquon Barkley are still at an impass.

988
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: He's still sitting out there tagged but no extension, and

989
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: they only got about a month to figure that out

990
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: if they want an extension done. I mean, we all

991
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: know that the running back position has been devalue joel,

992
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: but this offseason almost seems unprecedented for where it's gone

993
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: in terms of value.

994
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,479
Speaker 7: Yes, going backwards, you had eight running backs averaging twelve

995
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 7: million per year more at the end of the last season,

996
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 7: you're gonna have five. When Cook is released, I'm assuming

997
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 7: no one's gonna step in at the eleventh hour and

998
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 7: trade for his eleven million dollars. This year, you'll have five.

999
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 7: Cook supposed to make eleven. He's got two million, which

1000
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 7: is guaranteed. There's an offset, but he'll be lucky to

1001
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 7: get half from some team. As far as I'm concerned,

1002
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 7: I say that because of the late stage of the year.

1003
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 7: He's getting released in June. The best running back deal

1004
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 7: in free agency was Miles Sanders at six point three

1005
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 7: to five million per year, then David Montgomery at six.

1006
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 7: Saquon they supposedly offered twelve at the bye week last year,

1007
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 7: guided up to thirteen. I don't know the structure, but

1008
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 7: if it's a decently structured deal, he should have taken that.

1009
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 7: Supposedly they went back to the table and lowered the offer,

1010
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 7: which to me, that's gonna make it hard to get

1011
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 7: a deal done because you're gonna need to give him

1012
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 7: away to save face if he made a mistake in

1013
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 7: not taking the offer. And it's hard to say that

1014
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 7: without knowing all the details in terms of what the

1015
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 7: guarantees look like and how the cash flow is in

1016
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 7: the deal.

1017
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: So when you look at the running back, you got Dery,

1018
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: Henry Nick Chubb, Joe Mixon, Saquon Barkley, Josh Jacobs, these

1019
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: guys with the you know, they got the hack cap hits,

1020
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 3: and Bijon Robinson is getting more cash this year than

1021
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 3: any running back in the league bar none, the guy

1022
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 3: who got drafted the top. This is a position. What's

1023
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: gonna happen with this position? Is the pendulum gonna swing

1024
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,479
Speaker 3: farther enough away that they're gonna be devalued and will

1025
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: it ever swing back towards them where they are valuable again?

1026
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 7: Well, I'm gonna go back to something that happened a

1027
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 7: few years ago. The DeVonta Freeman at one point was

1028
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 7: the highest paid running back, and he was I think

1029
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 7: at eight and a half a year. There were two

1030
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 7: running backs in twenty eleven, Adrian Peterson he signed for

1031
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 7: fourteen point two million a year, and she and Chris

1032
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 7: Johnson was at thirteen to five. Then he had other

1033
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 7: guys in eight and a half nine million range. They

1034
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 7: all dropped out, and then Tyd Gurley gets a deal

1035
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 7: for over fourteen million per year. Takes the market back up,

1036
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 7: and you had all these guys spilling around him. Ezekiel

1037
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 7: at fifteen. McCaffrey's the highest paid guy to shade over

1038
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 7: fifteen sixteen now, So I think the pendulum is gonna

1039
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 7: swing provided that b John Robinson plays well as the

1040
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 7: eighth overall pick. And then you have Gibbs, who after

1041
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 7: Detroit signed him Ave Montgomery drafted him that high. You

1042
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 7: had a while you have backs going in the top ten.

1043
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 7: Now you have two this year. So if these two

1044
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 7: top ten backs play well, then the pendulum's gonna swing back.

1045
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 7: The one guy I'm interested to see how the deal

1046
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 7: works is Jonathan Taylor's in a contract year. He got

1047
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 7: hurt this year, had his worst year as a pro,

1048
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 7: but he looked like the guy that was going to

1049
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 7: advance the ball. I still think he might get an extension.

1050
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 7: They can afford to pay him because Anthony Richardson's on

1051
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 7: his rookie contracts. You don't have a high priced quarterback

1052
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 7: taking up cap room, and you really want to lean

1053
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 7: on the running game when you have a rookie quarterback.

1054
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 2: Joel with Minnesota tossing veteran players overboard, either by trade

1055
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: with Zadarius Smith or just outright release. They're shedding an

1056
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: awful lot of salary, and okay, if you're tight on

1057
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 2: the cap, we understand why you got to do that.

1058
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: But is getting Justin Jefferson signed to an extension the

1059
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: other part of the equation here as to why they're

1060
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: just tossing people overboard.

1061
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, they came out and said he was a high

1062
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 7: priority early in the offseason. They don't have to do

1063
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 7: him this year because he has two years left on

1064
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 7: his rookie contract, but he clearly from a productivity standpoint,

1065
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 7: you should want to do him sooner rather than later,

1066
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 7: because for elite players, the longer you wait, the more

1067
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 7: it's gonna take to get the guy done. He's the

1068
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 7: most productive receiver for the first three years in an

1069
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 7: NFL career, So you're talking at least highest paid wide receiver. Now,

1070
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 7: that's Tyreek Hill at thirty million per year on paper,

1071
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 7: but it's a cosmetic league deal is artificially inflated because

1072
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 7: the last year has forty five million. It's really twenty

1073
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 7: five million per year. The highest paid gone a real

1074
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 7: deal is Cooper Cup at a shadeover twenty seven million

1075
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 7: per year, but I'm not setting my sights there. If

1076
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,479
Speaker 7: I'm justin Jefferson. There is league wide precedent for having

1077
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 7: a wide receiver be the highest paid nine quarterback. It

1078
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 7: happened in twenty eleventh Larry Fitzgerald twenty twelve with Calvin Johnson.

1079
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 7: The new money average for DeAndre Hopkins in twenty twenty

1080
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 7: made and the highest paid nine quarterback, and on paper,

1081
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 7: Tyreek Hill became the first thirty million dollars per year

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00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 7: nine quarterback. So I'm looking to be the highest paid

1083
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 7: nine quarterback if I'm justin Jefferson, that would put me

1084
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 7: at about thirty two million per year on a deal.

1085
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 3: What do you think about the Vikings building a roster

1086
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 3: the way it seems they're building, And they got Kirk Cousins,

1087
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: who's coming to the end of the end of the

1088
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 3: line there in Minnesota. They're they Jettison's Adam Thielen. They've

1089
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 3: got all these other guys now Dalvin Cooks out the door,

1090
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 3: and they're going to save the one guy who has

1091
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 3: been massively productive. Well it's actually been a couple. Cook

1092
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 3: has been another guy who's been really productive. It seems

1093
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 3: as though they're throwing really good players, tossing them to

1094
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 3: the curb in favor of one great player.

1095
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 7: Well, it's actually gonna be two not great players. But

1096
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 7: they made a trade to get TJ. Hockinson. They didn't

1097
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 7: give up all that draft capital have him walk out

1098
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 7: the door. He's in a contract year. They could franchise

1099
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 7: him next year, and the tight end number for a

1100
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 7: franchise tag hasn't been rubbed to where the top of

1101
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 7: the market was great value for a team. But if

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00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 7: I'm TJ. Hockinson, I'm like Justin Jefferson is a great

1103
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 7: and all of that, but I'm in a contract. You

1104
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 7: need to do meat as well, So we'll see if

1105
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 7: he's part of the equation. They have to Neil Hunter,

1106
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 7: who's been unhappy for his contracts since he signed it,

1107
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 7: since he never should should have. He's only making five

1108
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 7: and a half million this year because they advanced money

1109
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 7: from twenty twenty three to try to placate him. Are

1110
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 7: they gonna trade him or are they gonna pay him

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01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 7: market rate for a someone who can put pressure on

1112
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 7: the quarterback consistently, which would be north of twenty million

1113
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 7: per year.

1114
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 2: We've seen Brandon Bean sign a lot of players in

1115
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 2: August to contract extensions. That's what he did with Josh.

1116
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: He did it with Dion Dawkins, Tredavius White, Dawson, Knox,

1117
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: Tarren Johnson. So do you have a candidate if you

1118
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: had to pick one, that you could see the bills

1119
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: because Brandon said this week, you know, their projection for

1120
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: their fifty three man roster has them over the cap.

1121
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Speaker 2: So when they get down to roster decision time, they're

1122
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: gonna have to make some moves, either moving people off

1123
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 2: the roster via trade or maybe creating some space by

1124
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: signing somebody to an extension. You have anybody you like.

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Speaker 7: Or well, I would say Gabe Davis to be the candidate.

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01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 7: He was inconsistent to me last year. I don't know

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01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 7: if I would extend him. But you got two candidates

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01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 7: where you can't get cap rooms. White would be a

1129
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 7: restructured candidate, and Dion Dawkins that would be the place

1130
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 7: where you can get the cap room. You've already restructured

1131
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 7: Stefon Diggs, you've restructured Von Mill, and you've restructured Josh Allen,

1132
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 7: so you can't get cap room for those guys. So

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01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 7: your cap room most likely will come from I would

1134
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 7: think restructures from Dawkins and White.

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01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 3: We talk about these contracts and all these position groups,

1136
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 3: and we all know that the one position group that

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01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 3: sets the market is the quarterback spot. And it seems

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01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 3: to me and I may be missing somebody, but Joe

1139
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 3: Burrow is the next guy in line who's gonna get

1140
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 3: one of those Pat Mahomes kind of deals. So everybody

1141
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 3: talks about that contract for a couple of weeks. Kind

1142
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 3: of what does Joe Burrow's contract look like to you?

1143
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 3: Like the length of it, obviously, the structure, you can

1144
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 3: be as creative as you want. But what do you

1145
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 3: think that next you know, topic of conversation is going

1146
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 3: to look like.

1147
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 7: Other two guys are going to get paid. I think

1148
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 7: before the regular season starts, justin Herbert and Joe Burrow.

1149
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 7: I tend to think whoever goes last ends up with

1150
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 7: the biggest average. Burrows more interesting from the standpoint that

1151
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 7: Mike Brown, the principal owner it's a family run business

1152
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 7: in Cincinnati, has expressing affinity for that Patrick Mahomes contract,

1153
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 7: which was very backloaded, team friendly in the early years.

1154
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 7: The thing people don't realize about that deal is it

1155
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 7: averaged forty five million per year, when Russell Wilson was

1156
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 7: the highest paid guy at thirty five million per year.

1157
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 7: That's almost a thirty percent market increase. So if I'm

1158
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 7: going to go that route, is Joe Burrow. From an

1159
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 7: agent standpoint, you never want to sign too long of

1160
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 7: a deal because we've seen Mahomes that it hasn't kept

1161
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 7: pace with the market. So if you're trying to maximize dollars,

1162
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 7: that's not the way to go. If you have other objectives,

1163
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 7: or you're trying to have a happy medium between getting

1164
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 7: fairly compensated, well compensated and leaving room to keep talent

1165
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 7: around you, which seems to be Mahomes objective, then you

1166
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 7: may go that route. But about a thirty percent increase

1167
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 7: from where the market is now, which is Lamar Jackson

1168
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 7: at fifty two million per year, puts you right around

1169
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 7: sixty seven to five per year, which sounds crazy on

1170
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 7: a ten year extension six hundred and seventy five million

1171
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 7: over ten years, But nobody expected the market to jump

1172
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 7: the way it did when my Home signed to where

1173
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 7: he's being pushed down in the top ten, where it's

1174
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 7: at the point where the chiefs recognize they're gonna have

1175
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 7: to adjust this contract because he's in year one of

1176
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 7: the ten new years of the deal. If it's left

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01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 7: to Brian Erap, Burrow's agent, he signs a traditional deal

1178
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 7: and it'll be the new norm is five years, so

1179
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 7: it'll be a five year extension, seven years under contract. Total,

1180
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 7: it'll be right around fifty five million per year. The

1181
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 7: Bengals will have to change how they do business. They

1182
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 7: don't guarantee anything outside of signing bonus and contracts, and

1183
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 7: that's not going to fly with Burrow. You're going to

1184
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 7: give base salary guarantees. Pittsburgh was the same way but

1185
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 7: changed or established new president for TJ.

1186
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 6: Watt.

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Speaker 7: I expect that to happen with Burrow. And Herbert's gonna

1188
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 7: be right up there as well. He's gonna get more

1189
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson. It's just a question to meet whoever goes last.

1190
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 7: We'll get the bigger average.

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Speaker 2: Last one for me, Joel. You know, DeAndre Hopkins is

1192
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: going to visit with the Titans over the weekend. I

1193
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: think a lot of people thought that if the Cardinals

1194
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,919
Speaker 2: released him, people would come out of the woodwork looking

1195
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: to sign him. The market's been soft Obviously, the timing's

1196
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 2: not good because most teams have spent their money to

1197
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: get their rosters where they want them. What do you

1198
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 2: think is a realistic number for Hopkins to sign for.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we know teams want it to be as

1200
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: low as possible, but what do you think is reasonable

1201
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 2: for Hopkins at this late stage of the offseason.

1202
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 7: Well, is he trying to maximize dollars? Does he want

1203
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 7: to win a ring because he hasn't had much playoff

1204
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 7: success in his career. Of Mike Vrabel knows them well

1205
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 7: because he was the linebackers coach and defensive coordinator for

1206
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 7: I think four of hopkins years in Houston. I think

1207
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 7: Tennessee is a place where he can get money. That's

1208
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 7: a place that paid Robert Woods ten million per ten

1209
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 7: million dollars last year and DeAndre Hopkins is better. But

1210
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 7: at the same time, I'd be leary about an older

1211
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 7: receiver in Tennessee because they traded for Julio Jones, paid

1212
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 7: him fifteen point three million for one year and that

1213
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 7: didn't work out. Odell Beckham Junior messed everything up with

1214
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 7: DeAndre Hopkins because you got a guy who missed all

1215
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 7: of last year gets fifteen million, fully guaranteed, no per

1216
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 7: game roster bonus. He's three million dollars left of incentives

1217
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 7: as well, so he can max out at eighteen on

1218
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 7: to one. Hopkins has to be thinking, wait a minute,

1219
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 7: I've been better than this guy for the past few years.

1220
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 7: He didn't play last year. That should be my floor.

1221
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 7: It won't be. Julio Jones last year signed a one

1222
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 7: year deal for six right started training camp with Tampa.

1223
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 7: He had two million coming from Tennessee because there's a

1224
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 7: guarantee of no offseense, so it was really eight. So

1225
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 7: I'm really thinking Hopkins is probably gonna be somewhere between

1226
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 7: six and nine on the base value, and then they're

1227
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 7: gonna be incentives, which you're gonna take it up even higher.

1228
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 7: It has to be not likely to be earned. It

1229
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 7: has to be more than what he did last year,

1230
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 7: which is sixty four catches, seven hundred and seventeen yards

1231
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 7: and three touchdowns. If he is the DeAndre Hopkins of

1232
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 7: old and not an old DeAndre Hopkins, he should easily

1233
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 7: exceed those numbers.

1234
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned it. Odell Beckham Junior signs with the

1235
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens. Do you believe in the transformation. They plan

1236
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 3: on giving Lamar Jackson the ability to do now. They're

1237
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 3: gonna they're gonna throw the football. They knew new offensive coordinator,

1238
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 3: they paid him the contract he wanted. They got him

1239
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:55,439
Speaker 3: O'Dell Beckham Junior. They drafted a guy. Is Baltimore gonna

1240
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 3: be a different type of offense than we've seen and

1241
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: are they gonna be able to be successful?

1242
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 7: Well, Lamar Louisville was more of a pocket passer than

1243
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 7: the Greg Roman offense. The thing is you still have

1244
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 7: to count for the threat of the run because that's

1245
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 7: still there. So it may open things up in the

1246
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 7: passing game, and now he should have better weapons between draftings,

1247
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 7: A Flowers signing Odo Beckham Junior. He should be healthy

1248
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 7: since he was out all of last year, so the

1249
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 7: knee shouldn't be the issue. So maybe a work in

1250
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 7: progress this year, and we won't see the true results

1251
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 7: until twenty twenty four. They still have Mark Andrews as

1252
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 7: a tight end, so the defense is good. They're going

1253
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 7: to be right there contending in the AFC North. We'll

1254
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 7: see if they can get over the hump and get

1255
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,439
Speaker 7: past the first round in a playoffs this year.

1256
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 2: Joel, thanks for the time. As always, we appreciate the inside.

1257
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:46,919
Speaker 2: Enjoy your summer. We'll catch up with you soon.

1258
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 7: You two, thanks for having me guys.

1259
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: All right. That's Joel Cory CBO Sports Salary Cap Expert.

1260
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 2: Also he is the host of Inside What is it

1261
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 2: called Inside the Cap? I couldn't remember it off the

1262
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: top of my enda to look it up, but does

1263
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 2: a good job kind of putting it in layman's terms.

1264
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 3: I'll say, yeah, he's been an agent in his past.

1265
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 3: He was a former sports agent, and he's got that

1266
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 3: side of the equation kind of under his belt. And

1267
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 3: it's always interesting to me because agents have to have

1268
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 3: the wherewithal to understand the long term implications of the

1269
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 3: cap and how it affects the player on the field.

1270
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 3: And that all sounds a little bit convoluted, but it does.

1271
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 3: The Mahomes deal, we couldn't stop talking about it because

1272
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 3: it was a half a billion dollar deal over a

1273
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 3: ten years and that ten years is just starting now, right,

1274
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 3: So it's an enormously long contract. There's a balloon payment

1275
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 3: in it. The structure of the contract is something that's

1276
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 3: really hard to get your mind around. Guys like Joel

1277
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 3: hat you know, make a living doing exactly that. I

1278
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 3: think it's fascinating. The Borough contract, in the Herbert contract,

1279
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 3: he's right, whoever signs last is gonna set the market.

1280
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 2: When he started talking ten years, six hundred and seventy

1281
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 2: five million there, he's right. Eyeballs almost fell out of

1282
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 2: the right though. No I'm not saying he's wrong. It's

1283
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: just you hear it.

1284
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: And you're like, where we're at?

1285
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 2: Man year for a quarterback? What?

1286
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 3: And he's right too. The Brown family in Cincinnati has

1287
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 3: been notoriously frugal and Carson Palmer left just said listen,

1288
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 3: I've had it, you're gonna get rid of me, and

1289
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 3: they and they drove a hard bargain in the trade

1290
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 3: market and got two ones for Carson Palmer late in

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Speaker 3: his career. It was a a huge move. But they

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Speaker 3: don't budge. The Brown family has been very, very tough

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Speaker 3: to negotiate with and get them to move on their numbers.

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Speaker 1: But I think when you get.

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Speaker 3: Into a spot like this, if you're Joe Burrow, you

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Speaker 3: kind of got to dig your heels in and say,

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Speaker 3: all right, here's what's going to be.

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Speaker 2: He would seem to have leverage here, I mean two

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Speaker 2: deep playoff runs in a row. I mean you if

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Speaker 2: you asked me and a Super Bowl a ball right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: at an AFC title. He is the closest thing, in my estimation,

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Speaker 2: to Tom Brady in terms of his play style, just

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01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: getting the ball out, making completion pocket. You know, he

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Speaker 2: is the closest thing in play style to him that

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01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: I've seen since Brady came into the league. He really

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01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: adopted that style of play just last year, in large

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Speaker 2: part to reduce the number of sacks he was taking.

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Speaker 2: And it worked, and it worked, and we saw it

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Speaker 2: here in the divisional playoff. The ball was out of

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Speaker 2: his hand in an average of like less than two

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Speaker 2: and a half seconds. And if he keeps doing that,

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Speaker 2: he's going to be productive for a long time.

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Speaker 3: I think it's but he's dealing with a the most

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Speaker 3: I don't know, stubborn. The Cincinnati ownership group does not

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Speaker 3: care about public opinion. Not that they don't care, but

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Speaker 3: they will not be swayed by it no matter how

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Speaker 3: much people clamor to sign him, no matter how much

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Speaker 3: the pressure could be intense from the public.

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Speaker 1: You know from their season, take it hold.

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Speaker 3: While they will not overpay for anybody, or at least

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Speaker 3: not you know, cross lines that they have drawn in

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Speaker 3: the sand of themselves. So I'm really interested to see

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Speaker 3: how this goes because I think Joel Corey's right.

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Speaker 1: I think you have.

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Speaker 3: To change the way you do business as the league evolves.

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Speaker 3: And every time it's been a while since Cincinnati's had

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Speaker 3: to put together one of these contracts like this. Carson Palmer,

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Speaker 3: you know, Boomer Sizon back in the day, all the

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Speaker 3: guys that have been through that franchise, it's been a

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Speaker 3: while since they've had a contract like this to deal with.

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Speaker 2: That is correct. Yeah, I mean he's gonna get paid.

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Speaker 2: I think the I mean, you know, the quarterbacks are

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Speaker 2: gonna get their money. The one that I'm really keeping

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Speaker 2: my eye on is the Quinn Williams one. Yes, because

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Speaker 2: you've had Jeffrey Simmons, Dexter, Lawrence, Deron Payne all get

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Speaker 2: top of the market money, well, with the exception of

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Speaker 2: coming close to Aaron Donald Steele. Does Quentin Williams get

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Speaker 2: close to Aaron Donald Steele? Does he get thirty million?

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Speaker 2: The Jets head coach Robert Salas said, hey, we'll get

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Speaker 2: this done before training camp, and I don't know, that's

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Speaker 2: a tough one.

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Speaker 3: Thirty million when they're trying to renegotiate Aaron Rodgers' contract

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Speaker 3: still as well.

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Speaker 2: That's probably part of the reason why, because they got

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Speaker 2: to pay this guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a tough that's a tough balancing act there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, because Quentin Williams is great and he's going

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Speaker 3: to be great for a while. Aaron's you hope he's

1349
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 3: great for them just next two, this year and next year. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's what you're kind of looking at.

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Speaker 2: You got to create cap space from the Rogers deal

1352
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 2: so you can sign this guy and then you're gonna

1353
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Speaker 2: be You're basically gonna be handing it to him, right,

1354
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 2: He's gonna be somewhere between twenty eight and thirty a year, right.

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Speaker 2: He's he's, I mean, he's he's probably one of the

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Speaker 2: closest things to Aaron Donald without being Aaron Donald.

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Speaker 3: He is a monster, no question about it, and he

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Speaker 3: does it from the inside. He's big, he's fast, he's

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Speaker 3: got it all. He's a game wrecker. So you got

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Speaker 3: you can't let him out the door, right.

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Speaker 2: They did it with Leonard Williams.

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Speaker 3: I'll say this, say what you want, Leonard Williams and

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Speaker 3: Quinn Williams.

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Speaker 1: He's not and and I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Saying that they're fast across the street now right.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that that that Leonard Williams was a

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Speaker 3: bad guy or anything like that. He was a first

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Speaker 3: round pick, but you do have to say that they

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Speaker 3: picked one of them. Anyway, Well, there you go, they

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Speaker 3: picked both of them, but they you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: they didn't they didn't let them both go. If you

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Speaker 3: let them both go, then that draws some questions in

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Speaker 3: how you're doing business.

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Speaker 2: There's a long history of first round picks not signing

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Speaker 2: second contracts with the Jets. Recent history well maybe, well

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01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 2: maybe it changes. I mean there they seem confident that

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Speaker 2: the jetsiest to get well, they seem confident that they're

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Speaker 2: gonna get this deal done before training camp even opens.

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Speaker 2: If it doesn't, it's going to be a daily watch

1380
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Speaker 2: by the New York tabloids. It's gonna be a daily

1381
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: thing every single days. Quinn here, is Quinn here? How

1382
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 2: come the quinnin deal's not done? It's gonna be monotonous.

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01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: It's just relentless, and you know, it could develop into

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Speaker 2: a distraction. So we'll see where it goes. I'm very

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Speaker 2: interested to see what not only does it get done

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Speaker 2: before camp, but what are the figures? What do they

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Speaker 2: ultimately pay this game? We got to take a break

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Speaker 2: here more of your thoughts on the tweets sheet and

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Speaker 2: your phone calls. What Bill's player do you think is

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Speaker 2: most important to sign to a contract extension? You let

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Speaker 2: us know at a eight h three oh five fifty.

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Speaker 2: We're back in a few here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: presented by co Lout of Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 2: Back here on One Bills Live. Chris Brown, Steve Jasker

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Speaker 2: with you and headed straight to the tweet sheet where

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Speaker 2: we're looking for more of your responses in terms of

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 2: which Bill's player he thinks the most important to sign

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Speaker 2: to a contract extension. We usually see Brandon Bean do

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01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 2: that in August in some way, shape or form. We

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01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,560
Speaker 2: know he has to create cap room as well, and

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01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 2: extensions one way to do it. So back to the comments,

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01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 2: and Casey says Micah Hyde realign his years with Poyer

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01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 2: again to get somewhat of a definitive exit strategy for

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01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 2: the team. I don't know if I agree with that.

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01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 2: For this reason, you've got Jordan Poyer who's thirty two

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Speaker 2: year years old, and you've got Micah Hyde who's thirty

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01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 2: two years old. And I think they're more than capable

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01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 2: right now. But do you want them both coming off

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01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 2: of your roster in the same offseason. That's a lot

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01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 2: to replace. So to align their contracts to expire at

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01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 2: the same time when you know they're much closer to

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01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 2: the end of their careers than the beginning, I don't

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01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 2: know if I want to do that. I would almost

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01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 2: want to stagger their exits so it's less painful and

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01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: easier to an easier void to fill if it's one

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01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 2: at a time instead of both.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they've already addressed that with Taylor Rap

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01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 3: being in the building. Yeah, theaking their Rap is here

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01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 3: and he's going to compete. It'll take a huge effort

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01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 3: to get on the field. But I think the team

1421
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 3: is really hedging its bets against the guys that are

1422
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 3: those two guys that are thirty two. They saw it

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01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 3: last year when neither one of them was healthy for

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01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 3: any significant length to time during the season. Micah was

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01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 3: out for the entire season. If something like that happens

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01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 3: at all, Taylor Rap can slip in and do it.

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Speaker 3: I think they've already started that exit strategy because they've

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01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 3: got insurance policies now.

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01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 2: And Rap is probably a prime candidate to be signed

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01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 2: to a contract extension after the season is over, just

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01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 2: by virtue of the fact that he is every bit

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01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 2: the athlete that Hide and Poyer are and he's twenty

1433
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: six years old.

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Speaker 1: Right, It's an audition, no question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Hidees contract is up this year, Poyer's contract is

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01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 2: up after the twenty four season, So Rap is the

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01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 2: guy that carries you into the future. At least that's

1438
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 2: the way I see it. Nothing against you know, Hide

1439
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 2: and Poyer, who have been absolute dynamite tandem, one of

1440
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 2: the best tandems in the league for the better part

1441
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 2: of the last six years. But all good things must

1442
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 2: come to an end at some point in time, So

1443
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 2: I don't, unfortunately foresee that. Casey Justin says day Kwon

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01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 2: Jones is the easiest answer. He has been the best

1445
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 2: one technique since Marcel Darius played here. Without his play,

1446
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 2: the D line can't be as effective. Proof of that

1447
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 2: game in the Cincinnati playoff game. Other candidates could be Tarren,

1448
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 2: Micah Dion or Mitch Mitch is so underappreciated by Bill's fans.

1449
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 2: Mitch Morris, as I've said many times on this show,

1450
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 2: in my estimation, at his most consistent season in Bill's

1451
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 2: uniform last year. Now he is thirty one years old,

1452
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 2: so I think you got to you gotta be strategic

1453
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 2: there if you're going to do an extension, because you

1454
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 2: don't want to, you don't want to go too far

1455
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: into the future. But he is of tremendous value to

1456
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:46,520
Speaker 2: this team from a leadership perspective, from an offensive line perspective, obviously,

1457
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 2: I mean players look to him.

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Speaker 1: I think Mitch is.

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Speaker 3: He's signed through twenty five, so he'll be thirty three

1460
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Speaker 3: at that point. I think he's and he's got a

1461
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Speaker 3: two year, nineteen point five million dollar contract nine point

1462
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Speaker 3: seven this year.

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Speaker 1: I think they probably ride that out, Yeah, exactly. They may.

1464
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Speaker 3: He may give him some relief, put it out there

1465
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 3: and use it for a bonus and with avoidable all

1466
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 3: that stuff. They may be creative with it. But I

1467
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 3: think he's he's right where he's going to be. So

1468
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm kind of no on Mitch. I think Mitch

1469
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Speaker 3: is perfect because of the extension and the work he's

1470
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Speaker 3: already done to help the club.

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Speaker 2: Right, and you know we mentioned Taylor Rap, you know,

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Speaker 2: as a possible succession plan at safety, you know, depending

1473
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 2: on Ryan Bates, who bless you, who looks like you know,

1474
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 2: the odds on favorite to serve as Mitch Morse's backup

1475
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 2: in addition to maybe playing guard as well. That might

1476
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 2: be the air apparent at the center.

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Speaker 3: Dakon is signed through next year, so he's got this

1478
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 3: year and next on it.

1479
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Speaker 2: No, I think he's done after this year.

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Speaker 3: This says Daykon. He's gonna two year, fourteen million dollars and.

1481
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Speaker 2: He signed it last twenty four. Yeah, so he's done

1482
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Speaker 2: after this year.

1483
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 3: Oh it expires in twenty I see, all right, not

1484
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Speaker 3: in twenty three.

1485
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 2: He signed a two year deal last year. This is

1486
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 2: year two of that deal. And that guy's the unsung

1487
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 2: hero of the defensive line. Last year he was a

1488
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 2: brick wall, their best run defender by far, and as

1489
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 2: steady as they came. I mean, you want to talk

1490
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 2: about consistency, he was the picture of it last year

1491
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 2: for that defensive front. And the shame of it was

1492
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,839
Speaker 2: he couldn't play in the divisional playoff and what happened

1493
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 2: the Bengals ran for one hundred and eighty something yards, right,

1494
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 2: I mean that wasn't by accident, right, So now he

1495
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 2: is he is a little bit longer in the tooth.

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Speaker 2: I think he turns thirty two this year. I think

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Speaker 2: he's thirty one.

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Speaker 1: Now, he's thirty one right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he might turn thirty two before the end of

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Speaker 2: the season. So so, and that's that's a grind position

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01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 2: down there where he's got nine years, this will be

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Speaker 2: his tenth. Yeah, so you've you've got to again, when

1503
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 2: you get guys on the other side of thirty, you've

1504
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 2: got to be strategic and how you structure stuff like that.

1505
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 2: But he has proven himself to be a valuable asset

1506
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 2: to that defensive front. So I wouldn't mind it, but

1507
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 2: I think he got to be strategic. Ed on the

1508
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 2: tweets sheet, says Greg Rousseau would be the next logical choice.

1509
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 2: Not sure if it's time yet though, Yeah, they can't

1510
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 2: do it until he's played his third season, so he

1511
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: couldn't do it this August even if you wanted to, right,

1512
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 2: But it's a good candidate. Nonetheless, Let's go back to

1513
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 2: the phones and we go to Marie in Amherst. What

1514
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 2: do you got for us, Marie or on one Bill's Live.

1515
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, so what do you think about taking some

1516
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 8: of the burden off of just keeping Jordan poy Or

1517
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 8: fresh and using more of Taylor rat to resign him

1518
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 8: to a contract extension. He's been looking really good out

1519
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 8: here and I think we need to get younger back

1520
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 8: there anyway, so that would make sense. And another thing,

1521
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 8: what do you guys think about moving Because I know

1522
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 8: that the Bill is probably not going to get rid

1523
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 8: of Gabe Davis, but what do you think about moving

1524
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 8: him to the slot and Trent Shirfield to the number

1525
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 8: two and Deontay Hardy backing up Gabe at the slot.

1526
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 8: I think he's strong and he could do some moves

1527
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 8: back there. But that's what I wanted to say.

1528
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks for the call, Marie. Yeah, I don't know

1529
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 2: if if Rap's gonna get signed to an extension after

1530
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: they just signed him as a free agent this spring.

1531
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 2: That's not typically how it goes. I think he's a

1532
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 2: much greater candidate to be signed or re signed. I

1533
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 2: should say after the season's over, but can't rule it out.

1534
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 2: You know, I don't never say never, And then with

1535
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 2: respect to slot moving.

1536
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 3: Guys in and out, I mean they tinker and talk

1537
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 3: about that, they do all the time.

1538
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 2: But we had Trent Sherfield in studio here and he said,

1539
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 2: at least at the outset, the plan was for him

1540
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 2: to line up a good deal in the slot, and

1541
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 2: Deontay Hardy's gonna line up in there too. And I

1542
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 2: think because of Hardy's stature at just five six, I

1543
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,799
Speaker 2: don't know if a full time role, you know, fifty

1544
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 2: sixty snaps a game is the right recipe for a

1545
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 2: five toot six guy to play seventeen games. So I

1546
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 2: could see him as a rotational player in that slot,

1547
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 2: maybe getting third between thirty five and forty five snaps

1548
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 2: a game rather than fifty five to sixty five, just

1549
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 2: to kind of pace him through the year because the

1550
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,600
Speaker 2: smaller guys it's tougher to get through those seasons in

1551
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 2: a full time major role.

1552
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 3: It might be different now, but my experience playing and

1553
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 3: beating in a wide receiver room in the NFL is this,

1554
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 3: Every player is evaluated at how they would play at

1555
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 3: every spot. You go one on ones with guys, and

1556
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 3: you do it from different spots on the field. You

1557
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 3: do it against different corners, and they get an idea

1558
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 3: for how you work against them, what you can do well,

1559
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 3: what you really you don't do well. And certain skill

1560
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 3: sets obviously are tailored to be a slot receiver, and

1561
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 3: others are tailored to be the X or the Z receiver,

1562
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 3: the guys outside, but the slot receiver, it's a different

1563
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 3: skill set. All these guys are evaluated on those skill

1564
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 3: sets constantly every day, particularly during training camp when they're

1565
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 3: doing in pads and stuff. So if there's a guy

1566
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 3: like Gabe, or like Sherfield or Hardy or anybody who

1567
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 3: displays the goods to play any spot X, Y or Z,

1568
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 3: you can bet that's where they're gonna line up when

1569
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 3: they get out there. So they're gonna line up at

1570
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:47,799
Speaker 3: their best spot. So if Gabe could play the slot

1571
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 3: really well and was good at it, he'd already be

1572
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 3: in there.

1573
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: It's that simple, Yeah.

1574
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, knowing it's a contract here,

1575
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 2: knowing he probably wants to redeem himself, I think they're

1576
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 2: just gonna put him wherever they feel he helps the

1577
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 2: team the best, which should translate into good production for him,

1578
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 2: which hopefully translates into a new contract for him Rick

1579
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 2: on the Tweak cheet when asked who should get a

1580
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 2: contract extension, says DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah, I see what you

1581
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 2: did there, Rick, You devil you Yeah. I mean we

1582
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 2: just had Joel Cory on earlier this hour, salary cap

1583
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 2: expert and former agent for cbssports dot com, and he

1584
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 2: estimates that hopkins value on the open market's going to

1585
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 2: be somewhere between six and nine million a season. So

1586
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 2: I don't think that's something the Bills can stomach right now,

1587
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 2: based on what Brandon Being told us about their salary

1588
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 2: cap situation this week. But it's a clever answer, and

1589
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 2: I get why you want it. You know what everybody

1590
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 2: was saying at the end of last season, More weapons,

1591
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 2: more weapons, more weapons. So I understand, but I don't

1592
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 2: know if there's room in the budget now, you'd have

1593
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 2: to move people off this roster and to create the space.

1594
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm there's a big I've been talking to some

1595
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 3: people not here in this building but out in the

1596
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 3: streets and some friends man on the streets. Yeah, there's

1597
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 3: some I'm beginning to formulate. My opinion is I'm thinking

1598
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins might be washed. He's had trouble staying healthy

1599
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Two years ago, the first

1600
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 3: year he was in Arizona, he killed it. He had

1601
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifteen catches, fourteen hundred yards twelve point

1602
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 3: two of catch. That's you know, that was that was

1603
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 3: the big year in Arizona when he you know, the

1604
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 3: hail murray against the Bills, which was to me, probably

1605
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 3: the highlight of his career. And in the last two

1606
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 3: years he struggled. He had forty two receptions in twenty one,

1607
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 3: sixty four. Last year in twenty two, didn't play a lot,

1608
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 3: didn't play all the time because he was hurt. So

1609
01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 3: he's thirty one, just turned thirty one two days ago. Yeah,

1610
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's I don't know. I might

1611
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 3: have to watch I haven't seen film. I've watched the

1612
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 3: guy play. He's a great player, but lately you don't

1613
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 3: see enough of him on the field. So there's a

1614
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 3: chance a guy's thirty one headed that direction who doesn't really.

1615
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:20,560
Speaker 1: Like to practice a lot.

1616
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 2: Might be washed. And I think you have been a

1617
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 2: market for him, there's no question.

1618
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: Careful of that.

1619
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 2: We have to break here. But some final thoughts on

1620
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 2: the tweet sheet about contract extensions and who'd you like

1621
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,719
Speaker 2: to see get one before we get to the regular

1622
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 2: season this September. We will be back in a moment

1623
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 2: here on one Bill's Live. Stay tuned. Some final thoughts

1624
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 2: on the tweet sheet here about who you think should

1625
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 2: be the next to get a contract extension, perhaps even

1626
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 2: before the regular season begins. Bill's News Consolidated, says Reggie Gilliam.

1627
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 2: Because fullbacks need love too. Well, that's very sweet of you. Well,

1628
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 2: then his contract goes through twenty five, so he's two

1629
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 2: years away, but yeah, you could do it. Pat says

1630
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 2: Dane Jackson should be signed to a contract extension because

1631
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 2: he has proven himself from coming in last year when

1632
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 2: everyone went down and did very well picking up the slack.

1633
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 2: He's tough and scrappy that he is. It was interesting

1634
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 2: he was a restricted free agent this offseason and he signed,

1635
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 2: you know, a one year restricted contract. But I believe

1636
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 2: if I read it right on spot track, that his

1637
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 2: contract is fully guaranteed. So there you go, there you go,

1638
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 2: which I think is kind of a tip of the

1639
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 2: hat today on the part of the team, like, hey,

1640
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 2: we've really appreciated what you've done, so.

1641
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: That is good.

1642
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 2: He could be a candidate for this.

1643
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: It's an interesting question. Somebody's going to be the next one.

1644
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, whoever it is, and when it is, You're right,

1645
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 3: Brandon Bean has a pendant a penchant for doing that

1646
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 3: just before the start of the regular season to clear

1647
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 3: up some free space to work.

1648
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 2: Thanks for all your contributions to the show today, phone calls,

1649
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 2: and tweets. Steve and I will see you tomorrow at

1650
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 2: one when we've got the Ringers Stephen Ruiz joining us.

1651
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 2: We'll see you that