1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Buck, I don't know how 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: much attention you've ever paid to this story, but I 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: went to I think I've talked about this on the 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: show before. I went to a public magnet school in 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: the Nashville area for grades seven through twelve, and it 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: was a school that was academic focused and you had 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: to have they give you like STAY nine tests or whatever. 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: I think they called the t CAP Tennessee Comprehensive Assessment 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: Program that you take when you're a kid, and basically 11 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: it's four smart kids to the extent that I can 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: qualify as smart, and seven through twelve. It changed my 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: life immeasurably, right, I went to public school K through 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: twelve and I got to go to this school, Martin 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: Luther King grade seven through twelve. And by the way, 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: I think I got an email this morning from one 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: of the guidance counselors saying they're trying to do away 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: with to eighth grade there, which is its own crazy story, 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: which I think is an awful idea. But there have 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: been of late and I don't know if you've paid 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: a lot of attention to this buck, but I've kind 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: of paid a great deal of attention to it because 23 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: of my own academic background. Of late, there have become 24 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: attacks on high academic courses, whether it's AP courses, whether 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 1: it's honors courses, whether it's the schools themselves designed for 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: smart kids as an attack upon equity, And sometimes buckets 27 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: focused on, Hey, we don't have the right enrollment. The 28 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: AP history class is not diverse enough. The people who 29 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: were taken AP calculus, Oh, they don't have enough of 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: this particular minority in them. And so the result is 31 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: some places say you should just do away with them. 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: And I was thinking about that this morning as I 33 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: was getting ready for the show, and I saw this 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: headline from the Daily Mail, Chicago's progressive mayor Brandon Johnson 35 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:15,279 Speaker 1: announce his plan to acts windy cities high achieving, selective 36 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: enrollment high schools to boost equity, despite promising not to 37 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: during an election campaign. And Buck, you grew up in 38 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: New York City, which is probably where all this kind 39 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: of started. I know, Boston has their own version. Northeast, 40 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: I think is where this high achievement public high school 41 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: dynamic began. And those schools in both New York City 42 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: and Boston have also been coming under attack. Chicago, my 43 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: hometown of Nashville. The idea is, oh, there's too many 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: smart kids there, and if they don't directly reflect what 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: the population of the enrollment is of the overall student body, 46 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: then we've got to tear them down. I just think 47 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: this is a direct attack upon the meritocracy itself. Don't 48 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: we want shouldn't we want smart kids to be as 49 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: smart as they possibly can be. 50 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: This is a an ongoing and it's it's fascinating how 51 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: this plays out. 52 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 3: And it's one of those one of those. 53 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: Policy issues where you see that the progressives are actually 54 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: cruel in the name of diversity or cruel in the 55 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: name of some higher good, because instead of allowing high 56 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: achievement high schools or courses to exist, they get very 57 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: frustrated because you can't actually have these schools in high schools. 58 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: You know, they can't do like the college application holistic 59 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: nonsense where it's like, oh, the person's essay is why 60 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: they got in. No, actually, it's skin color, it's affirmative action, 61 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: it's the things that we all know that they're taking 62 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: into account more than anything else. But okay, you see 63 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: this happening. I mean the fact that they they can't 64 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: change the numbers, then they let's just shut it down. 65 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: Let's shut it down. And they've done this. 66 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: They'll shut down schools that outperform other public schools as 67 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: a giveaway to the teachers unions, the thuggery of the 68 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: lazy and inept teachers' unions. They did that in New 69 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: York City. They were trying to They're going to shut 70 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: down Harlem Success Academy. Young black kids out performing all 71 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: of their peers of all races on statewide tests, doing 72 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 2: phenomenally well. 73 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: And there was a movement under the. 74 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: Blasio to shut down the Harlem Success Academy schools. Why well, 75 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: as I said, teachers union stuff. But also, you know 76 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 2: what the centerpiece of these some of these charter schools 77 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: is accountability for the kids and the parents. 78 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 3: Yes, and there's another. 79 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: And I actually so you know you were, I mean 80 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: Clay's like, I mean, there's like the school for Geniuses 81 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: in Tennessee. 82 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: I I Clay, Travis. 83 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: Maybe I think you might also point out that some 84 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: people would say a genius for kids from Tennessee could 85 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: be considered an oxymorn in many parts of the country. 86 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: But yes, this was a like I mean, I do 87 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: not believe Buck. Here's the way I'll put it to you, 88 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: because I know you went to You were at a 89 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: really good school in New York City, a nerd school 90 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: for the swigs. I went to a nerd school in Nashville. 91 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: Here's a good question, and I would put it this way. 92 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: I was fortunate to go get a scholarship to George Washington, 93 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: and then I graduated from Vanderbilt Law School. I think 94 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: that I would not have achieved any of that if 95 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: I hadn't gone to Martin Luther King seventh through twelfth grade, 96 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: seventh and eighth grade, I think we're the toughest years 97 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: academically for me, way tougher than college and law school. 98 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: And some people think that's crazy, But it was about 99 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: catching up. It was about determining what level of academic 100 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: achievement you could attain. I don't think i'd be sitting 101 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: here talking to you today if I hadn't been able 102 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: to go to that school. 103 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: And there's another school in New York City. I mean, 104 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: I want to we can get back to Chicago's progressive mayor. 105 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: Just to point out here that he's going to get 106 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: rid of these schools because they upset people. 107 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: Think about how cruel that is. Think about a. 108 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 1: Meritocracy upsets people on the left right now. 109 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 2: But it's really it's a sore point on the left 110 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: because it goes to the failure of all these They 111 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: always do these things where they say, if we just 112 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: had better student teacher ratio, if we had more resources, 113 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: if we spent more money. No, what the actual data 114 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: shows is do your parents show up to parent teacher 115 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: night or does a parent show up to parent teacher night? 116 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 2: Do the parents make sure the kid arrives at school 117 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: on time and is picked up If they're at the 118 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: age where they have to be picked up by an 119 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: adult who isn't you know who cares for them? 120 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 3: Do the parents check to see the kid is doing 121 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: the homework? 122 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: Is the kid supported in their day to day When 123 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: they get home, does someone ask them about their school? 124 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: Does someone eat dinner with them? It doesn't have to be, 125 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 2: you know, filet mignon served by a butler. Does someone 126 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: sit with the child and talk to them over the 127 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: dinner table about their day? Nobody wants to hear that. 128 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: They want to hear that. It's it's structural racism, or 129 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: they want to hear that it's systemic inequality, or they 130 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: want to hear whatever. And one of the best laboratories 131 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: of how this elite school system plays out in the 132 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: whole country, there's Stuyvesant High School. Now there's a lot 133 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: of beef between Stuyvesant and my high school, regis because 134 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: we were both free schools, but we were the free 135 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: private school and they were obviously public. So it's free, 136 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: but you had to take a special test for both 137 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: to get in. Humble brag Clay, I got into both. 138 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: But I remember I showed up on on Stuyvesant test 139 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: day and I'm not I'm not kidding when I say 140 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: it was me and a thousand or so Asian kids. 141 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and and and. 142 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: Now I did not not super rich Asian kids. By 143 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: the way, these are first generation the parents like are engaged. 144 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: Was so important. 145 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: They the poorest ethnicity per capita in New York City 146 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: of the sort of you know of the black, white, 147 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: Hispanic and Asian is actually Asian. They are poorer per capita. 148 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 3: And that people. This blows people's minds. 149 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: They cannot believe it until they look up the data 150 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: and they say Oh my gosh, it's actually true. 151 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: So it's not that there's all these rich kids. 152 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 4: You know. 153 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: This isn't like the Crazy Rich Asians movie where people 154 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: are driving Maseratis everywhere and flying on private jets. These are, 155 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: to your point, immigrants whose parents often speak almost no English. Now, 156 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: Stuyvesant is just a test. There's no nothing but the 157 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: ultimate meritocracy. You sit down and it's just how well 158 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: do you score on tests? And it's like the SATs. 159 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: It's sort of math and probably language arts or reading 160 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: or forget what they call it now. It's been a 161 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: long time, but it's a you know, a verbal section 162 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: of math section. 163 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: All right, Clay. This is in the New York Times. 164 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: By the way, this is from earlier this year, because 165 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: every year we have to have the same debate, just 166 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: like they're having a Chicago right now. Of these seven 167 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two new students admitted to Stuyvesant's elite 168 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: high school next year, how many are black? 169 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: I would bet that it is is five hundred Asian, 170 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: one hundred white. And you said seven hundred and eighty 171 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: or something like seven and sixty two students, seventy five 172 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: Hispanic and seventy five black. If I were guessing. 173 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 3: Seven, that's crazy. Seven. Yeah. 174 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 2: Now this is very upsetting, very upsetting to the Democrat 175 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: administration of New York City. 176 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: Very upsetting too. 177 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: You have to remember, Clay, I mean, I had a 178 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: friend who was a teacher in one of these, like 179 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: one of these they call them like Renaissance schools, and 180 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: she says that, you know, all, it's all the computers 181 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: are brand new, and there's so much money, and there's 182 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: so much tax dollars and all this stuff. They haven't 183 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: budged the test scores for black and Hispanic students in 184 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: the public school system in forty years. 185 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 3: They can't do it now. 186 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: Harlem success Academy charter school systems have had success. It's 187 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 2: not that it can't happen, but the system that they're 188 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: operating in and overall does not work. And so there's 189 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: just this year in and year out debate, and you 190 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: know what they. 191 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 3: Want to do. 192 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 2: They want to make Stuyvesant a random lottery school because 193 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: then it's like, well, everybody gets a shot. But the 194 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: point is Stuyvesant is only Stuyvesant. And by the way, 195 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: fierce debate rival So I kind of want to talk 196 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: some trash about them. We were like, you know, like 197 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: the Sharks and the Jets from West Side story That 198 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: was Regis and Stuyvesant in debate. Does it get nerdier 199 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 2: than this folk, No, it does not. I mean you 200 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: can see the pocket protectors right now, those you're listening 201 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: to us on radio across the country. But they always 202 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: want to try to shut it down because it is 203 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,599 Speaker 2: just a it's a thumb in the eye of the 204 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: whole system and all the spending and all the money, 205 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 2: and it also goes to the meritocracy. 206 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 3: You actually see this. 207 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: Why are only seven black students getting into Stuyvesant this year? 208 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: What is going on? I mean, I think the New 209 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: York City, I'm guessing. I think it's like. 210 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: Thirty percent, maybe African American. I have to check on that. 211 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: Probably higher than that for public school enrollment too. But 212 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: that is the point. Here is your peer group, and 213 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: this is my one bit of parenting advice to the 214 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: extent that I have any your peer group, that is, 215 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: the peer group of your kids is insanely important when 216 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: it comes to determining what their overall academic success will be. 217 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,239 Speaker 1: And if you are like Buck and I were surrounded 218 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: by nerdy kids who care about academics, especially as you 219 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: hit adolescents, you are more likely to achieve at a 220 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: high level than if you were surrounded by people who 221 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: don't care about academics at all. 222 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 2: And you know, we have doctor Carrol Swain coming out. 223 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: We're talking to her, and you know she's gonna talk 224 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: to us about the Harvard president. 225 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: The Harvard president. 226 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: Doctor Gay wanted Roland Friar Junior fired and d tenured 227 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 2: and fired, which is like impossible to do, No to Clay. 228 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: The reason, in part was his his data crunching on 229 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: white and Asian kids get more friends as they are 230 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: more successful in school. Black and Latino kids, and actually 231 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 2: Latino kids more than Black kids, according to his data, 232 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 2: lose friends as their grades and their test scores improve. 233 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 2: What is going again, just looking at the numbers, that 234 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 2: was sacrilege for this tenured you know, really kind of 235 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: like hot shot professor at Harvard to put that out 236 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: there and think about the culture that you're creating for 237 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 2: young black and Hispanic kids that when they dominate academically, 238 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: they have less of a good social circle around them. 239 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's brutal. It's the opposite of what should happen. 240 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: We should just you know, it really helps you shut 241 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: it all down and just say that it's all racism 242 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: and never fix anything. That's that's what the Democrats do, 243 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: and throw more money at it and tax you more 244 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: and say that it's no one's fault. There's no account 245 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: of ability for anybody. And you know, if people need 246 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: to pay their fair share taxes, it would all get better. 247 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I wanted 248 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: to thank everyone out there as we come up near 249 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty three and get ready for 250 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: what will certainly be and absolutely bonkers twenty twenty four. 251 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: Both Buck and myself have had an awesome time hanging 252 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: out with you, and it's nice to see that we 253 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: are being well received here as we're coming into what 254 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: your next year will be, year number four, not the 255 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 1: full year, but we started in twenty one. We'll be 256 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: entering in the fourth year obviously behind these microphones and 257 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: Barrett News Media has a big industry poll that they 258 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: do of the best news radio shows. And you know, 259 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: I hate to brag and draw attention to myself as 260 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: all of you out there listening. No and as Buck 261 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: has certainly learned, we were number one, so that's pretty great. 262 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity was number two. So a lot of you 263 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: are listening to us and Shawn Sean, I'm not sure 264 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: if he has WiFi on his new private jets, so 265 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: he may or may not have seen this yet, so 266 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: I think he'll probably do fine here. As I saw 267 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: Desayntis come out and say, hey, Sean Hannity's the best 268 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: at hosting debates. We want to do a debate with 269 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: Nicki Haley. In all seriousness. Shawn's in the same studio 270 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: with us in New York. He's phenomenal, and I think 271 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: this is a credit to the work of Julie Talbot. 272 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: But they've got us one, Sean two, and in third 273 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: place Glenn Beck, and that is the morning through the afternoon, 274 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: and then they've got our friend Jesse Kelly at eight. 275 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: So the lineup that many of you are hearing distributed 276 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: by Premiere Radio. Our boss, Julie Talbot's done a fabulous job. 277 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: Were excited to have this opportunity and to see one, two, three, 278 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: US Hannity and then Glenn Beck is pretty awesome and 279 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: we're having fun and I think hopefully only the best. Still, 280 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: the Comebuck twenty four is going to be potentially the 281 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: wildest election year combined with everything else that truly any 282 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: of us have lived through, and we can't wait to 283 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: spend three hours every day with all of you throughout 284 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: what is going to be a Bonker's twenty twenty four. 285 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: Thank you all for listening and for giving us a shot. Obviously, 286 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: trying to follow in the steps of the greatest of 287 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: all time is a major task, and as I'm fond 288 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: of saying, nobody can fill Russia's shoes. But Clay hopped 289 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: into one shoe, I hopped into the other. And we're 290 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: moving as fast as we can for the benefit of 291 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: this audience and doing the best job we can every day. 292 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: So it's very gratifying to get a little shout out, 293 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: and you know, we just think, just by what our 294 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: friend Jesse Kelly says, we are humbled by this. We 295 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: are humble, not the opposite of humble. We are joined 296 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: by doctor Carol Swain. She's a senior fellow at the 297 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: Institute for Faith and Culture, also the author of the 298 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: book The Adversity of Diversity, which was released this past summer. 299 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: Doctor Swain honored to have you on the program. 300 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 4: MITCHA, I'm quite excited. Thank you for all the good 301 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 4: work you did. 302 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 303 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: Let's start with, well, why your name has certainly been 304 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: in the news cycle for the last week or so. 305 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: The president of Harvard still the president as we speak here. 306 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to change anytime soon, doctor Gay. 307 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: There are allegations from a friend of the show, Chris 308 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: Ruffo here and others that she plagiarized some of your work. 309 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you first about that. I mean, 310 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: what do you think of those allegations and what do 311 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: you think of overall the fact that doctor Gay seems 312 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: to be held to a different standard than other university 313 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: presidents like University of Pennsylvania's who have already resigned. 314 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 4: Well, she is a documented serial pleasuriss that that cannot 315 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 4: be denied, and Harvard University can't decide, you know, laterally 316 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 4: that they're going to change the definition of pleasurism just 317 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 4: to protect its first ever black president. So that is 318 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 4: certainly the case. And she lifted two passages from my 319 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 4: prize winning book Black Faces, Black Interests, The Representation of 320 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 4: African Americans in Congress, but her home to me, I 321 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 4: contend go far beyond that because she did her early 322 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: research in the area where I was the noted scholar 323 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 4: who produced the path breaking work. She built on my 324 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 4: work and she did not give me proper acknowledgement or attribution. 325 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 4: As a scholar if you are working in an area 326 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 4: where there is a leading professor, to acknowledge that work, 327 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: either to a permit to repute it, or to expand it. 328 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 4: She would have a citation in her bibliography, but anyone 329 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 4: reading Claudine Gay's work would not know that about the 330 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 4: work that I was the lead scholar on that was 331 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 4: considered pathbreaking. So that's one issue. The other issue is 332 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 4: to get early tenure at Princeton. The requirements back in 333 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 4: the nineteen nineties was that you had to have a 334 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 4: path breaking book, not a series of mediocre articles. And 335 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 4: my book won three national prizes, was cited by many 336 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 4: law courts as well as the Supreme Court. I have 337 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 4: three Supreme Court citations. That was the path breaking work 338 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 4: that she should have acknowledged in her career. 339 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 1: She did not, really, Doctor Swain, I appreciate you coming on. 340 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: This is Clay and I first want to say glad 341 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: that you have been at Vanderbilt University in the law 342 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: school and the undergrad I went to the law school. 343 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: I think you've done fantastic work there. My understanding is 344 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: you're a mom, a grandma, and a great grandma. So 345 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: I want to look at it from this perspective. When 346 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: you see what Harvard is saying to defend their president 347 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: right now, Claudine Gay, not only as a scholar, obviously 348 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: because you have achieved a tremendous amount in your career, 349 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: but as a mom, grandma and great grandma. What do 350 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: you think when the NAACP says it's racist to question 351 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: doctor Gay in any way about her scholarship. 352 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 4: I've been black all in my life and all of 353 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: my life, whenever a black person was challenged on the left, 354 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 4: the reaction from the elites it's always racist, and so 355 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 4: you can't challenge one of their fellow elite blacks without 356 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 4: hearing the charge that it has to be racist. It 357 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 4: always has to be racist. If you're a white, you 358 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 4: have to be a white supremacist. I would say that 359 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 4: the people are from the NAACP don't really understand the issue, 360 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 4: and one of the nuances of the issue as it 361 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 4: pertains to me is that in her published work that 362 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 4: we now know that parts of it was pleasurized. She, 363 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 4: in my opinion, cheated me out of citations, because in academia, 364 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 4: your statue depends on how many citations you get. And 365 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 4: if there's someone working in an area where you did 366 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 4: pathbreaking work and they're not adequately citing your work or 367 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 4: acknowledging it, it hurts you over time. And so I'm 368 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 4: a person I took early retirement from Vanderbilt in twenty 369 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 4: seventeen largely because of the woke environment. And when I 370 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 4: look at her, who is quote a distinguished professor. She 371 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 4: won a prize for her senior thesis, she won a 372 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 4: prize for her dissertation, and now we know she is 373 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: a series real pleasorists. I believe that people like her 374 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 4: who have had the most elite education. She went to 375 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 4: Phillips Exeter Academy up for her high school. Then she 376 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 4: went to Harvard University and was tenured at Stanford. Today 377 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 4: she education that America has to offer, and yet she 378 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 4: has not produced any path breaking work. I would say 379 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 4: her work is mediocre is at best, it should not 380 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 4: have warranted tenure. 381 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: At Stanford doctor Swain, you, no doubt have I'm sure, 382 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 2: thought about what the future holds here in the environment 383 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: where the Supreme Court has weighed in most recently on 384 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: affirmative action in college admissions and deemed it deemed it unconstitutional. 385 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: I wanted to know if if you think that, given 386 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 2: all your time in academia, that we are at a 387 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: turning point for both college admissions and also for the 388 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 2: hiring of professor when it comes to relying on diversity 389 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: as a primary really a game changing indicator of who 390 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 2: they're going to take or is this just going to 391 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: be a long series of lawsuits over many, many years 392 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: to get these schools to start changing how they admit 393 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: students and how they hire and tenure professors. 394 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 4: Well, well, certainly I believe at a turning point. And 395 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 4: that's the one reason why this book, The Adversity of Diversity, 396 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 4: is important, because it points out that CRT and DEI 397 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 4: programs violate the Constitution and our civil rights laws in 398 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 4: the same way as race based firmative action. And I 399 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 4: also contend that we can have diversity without discrimination. All 400 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 4: we have to do is go back to the original 401 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 4: intent of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four 402 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 4: enforce the equal Protection clause of the Constitution that does 403 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 4: not prohibit outreach to persons, but that outreach needs to 404 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 4: be done to qualified individuals of all races, and so 405 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 4: it should be the deaf neal for DEI programs theft. 406 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 4: They've already declared that they're going to resist in the 407 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 4: same way as people resisted on the left and on 408 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 4: the right the nineteen fifty four Brown Versus Board of 409 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 4: Education school desegregation ruling. It meant for me as a child, 410 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 4: I did not attend integrated schools until the late nineteen sixties. 411 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 4: Because of the massive resistance. Progressives have declared that they're 412 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 4: going to continue doing what they've always done. And I 413 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 4: have been encouraging white Americans, Asian Asian Americans, men, Christians, 414 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 4: various groups who are protected by the civil rights laws 415 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 4: to exercise and defend their rights by filing lawsuits. And 416 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 4: I know that lawsuits are being one by white Americans 417 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 4: and by men who have been discriminated against because they 418 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 4: are male, because you know, they have a female boss 419 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 4: or female bosses that have accused them of being you know, 420 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 4: toxic because they're male, or they have and they openly 421 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 4: tell men. They tell white people we have to promote. 422 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 4: You know, someone asked you cannot take advantage of this 423 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 4: scholarship or this promotion opportunity because of your race. That 424 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 4: is blatantly against the law. More Americans need to know 425 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 4: their rights, and one of the things I've tried to 426 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 4: do with my research is to make them aware. And 427 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 4: so even before the adversity of diversity, I published a book, 428 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 4: A Black Eye for America had critical race theory is 429 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 4: burning down the House DEI and critical race theory. Both 430 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 4: of those theories are deeply rooted in neo Marxism, and 431 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 4: the end goal of neomoxism is to bring down America, 432 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 4: to usher in globalism, to get rid of First world countries. 433 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Swain, do you think if Claudine Gay the president 434 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: of Harvard or fired that it would be an improvement? 435 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: Do you think it would send an important message? Or 436 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: is all of this toxicity with which I think it's 437 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: fair to say she is a standard bearer for is 438 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,239 Speaker 1: it so deeply embedded in these universities now that it 439 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: doesn't really change anything because the next person up will 440 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: basically be a clone of doctor Gay in many ways 441 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: as well, and that they'll believe the same things. What 442 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: should happen in your mind here ability? 443 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 4: And if Harvard University wants to be considered a world 444 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 4: class university again, they have to do something about doctor 445 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 4: Gay because doctor Gay is an embarrassment to education in America, 446 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 4: not just in higher education, but also K through twelve. 447 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 4: And my hope is that we are at a turning 448 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 4: point and that universities they're losing students because students are 449 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 4: not seeing a college education as a good investment. And 450 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 4: I have met parents and grandparents who are given that 451 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 4: children an option of taking that college money that was 452 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 4: saved up and starting businesses rather than going to a 453 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 4: four year college. So they're losing students, they're losing respect. 454 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 4: They're at a point where they could actually do the 455 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 4: right thing. And all they have to do is to 456 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 4: bring back the original intent of higher education to expose 457 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 4: students to a marketplace of ideas, to create an environment 458 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 4: where you exposed to new ideas, where you have to 459 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 4: wrestle with new ideas. That's how critical thinking takes place. 460 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 4: It cannot take place in indoctrination centers. And I would 461 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 4: also contend that it hurts racial and ethnic minorities the 462 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 4: most and especially those of us of all races who 463 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 4: were worked out butts off where we are when they 464 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 4: lord the standards and they laud them for someone who's 465 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 4: had an opportunity to have the best education that America 466 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: has to offer, and they're law on the standard for 467 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 4: that person. I don't think so. And I said in 468 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 4: another interview, I cannot let this go. I can't let 469 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 4: it go because the future of American education is at 470 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 4: stake and what is happening is harming everyone. And I 471 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 4: intend to stay on. Dr Gaye's not doctor Gay because 472 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 4: I don't know about whether she earned her doctorate, but 473 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 4: President Gay's case, just like quite on rice. 474 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: Doctor Swain, you're fantastic. I appreciate you coming on with 475 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: us and sharing your story and good luck with all 476 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: those grandkids and great grandkids as Christmas gets closer. I'm 477 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: sure you're super busy as many of us are with 478 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: all of that, and we appreciate you giving us that time. 479 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 4: Thank you. 480 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: That is doctor Carol Swain. I encourage you guys to 481 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: check her out. She's active on social media and she 482 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: is a truth teller in a world where often truth 483 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: is not told. 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I 499 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: do speaking of cars or vehicles, I have an update 500 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: on Bus twenty seven. 501 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: Clay, Oh wait, wait, wait for everybody out there who 502 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: doesn't know, was it when did we talk about bus 503 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: twenty seven at Miami Beach last week? 504 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 2: I told everybody that I had a nemesis in my 505 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: new home. Bus twenty seven was coming by and the 506 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: noise it was making was something along like I mean 507 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: it was horrible, making a horrible noise. I'm sorry I 508 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: had to do that to all be listening across the country. 509 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: But it was this like screeching sound, and it would 510 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 2: only make it when it was at a stop. So 511 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: when it's driving, you would never know, but for some reason, 512 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: when it was idling, it would make this terrible noise. 513 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: And so I had my first experience with Miami Beach 514 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 2: Civil administration or whatever. I had to call around and 515 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: call around. I eventually found the people in charge of 516 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: maintenance for the bus. I eventually found the people in 517 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: charge of putting the contractors who actually do the maintenance 518 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: for the bus. And my first go around, Clay, you 519 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: know what they told me, Sorry, we had it looked at. 520 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: There's no problem with that bus. There's no sound, to 521 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: which I had to say, excuse me, sir, That white 522 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: whale so to speak, is still breaching, it is still spouting. 523 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: It is out there, and I have my harpoon at 524 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 2: the ready. So I called them again. I said, I 525 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: shall not be denied. I will not let this go. 526 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: This noise is disrupting me and so many of my neighbors. 527 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 2: And do you know what they did, Clay, Because I 528 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: am so persistent and so annoying. They had the contractor 529 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: look at the bus again, this time knowing that I 530 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: would not accept anything less than the full and sufficient 531 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: reversal of this ear piercing sound. And they called me. 532 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: They called me today to say, sir, we just want 533 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: to say thank you so much. 534 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: You were right. 535 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: There was an issue with maintenance. They figured it out, 536 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: and now Bus twenty seven is purring like a kitten. 537 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: As plus twenty seven driven past now fixed. 538 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: Have you noticed it many times? 539 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 2: Every time, every time it goes by, my heart sings 540 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: just a little bit. 541 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, my civic duty has been done. 542 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: I can't believe so if you had not moved to 543 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: this new place and. 544 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 2: Called me four times, just so you understand, I went 545 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: through four phone conversations about this. 546 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 3: At least. 547 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: How much time do you think you spent to get 548 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: the bus fixed, like total like time on your like 549 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: time at half. 550 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 3: An hour or two? Probably? 551 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's now fixed, forever fixed, Bus twenty seven. 552 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: It's it is like a finally it is the it 553 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: is like the Portia nine to eleven of buses, now 554 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: finely tuned machine. 555 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean, what do they always say the squeaky wheel 556 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: gets the grease. 557 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: Uh. 558 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: Here you have proven once and for all the bus 559 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 1: uh you managed to get a bus fix. So everybody 560 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: out there who's frustrated with local politics or national politics, 561 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: everything else, Buck Sexton has has saved the ears of 562 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: countless Miami Beach residence. 563 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: I am the old man in your neighborhood who gets 564 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 2: the pothole fixed. My friends, I am the one who 565 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: changes closing hours for the bar so they can't serve 566 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 2: after one am or whatever that is. 567 00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 3: I you need me on that. 568 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: Well, now you're losing a lot of support because there's 569 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people out there listening to us who 570 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 1: need as much alcohol as they can to make it 571 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: through the world right now, including the holidays coming up.