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Speaker 1: Ye, sure, Hello, Welcome to the Naughty n Nice Shrub.

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Speaker 1: Your host from Shooter is first thing. And guess what

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Speaker 1: we have a surprise to day. I did not know

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Speaker 1: if the co host would be back this week. It's

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Speaker 1: a holiday still, it's you know, that sort of weird

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Speaker 1: period after Christmas, but it's not really the New Year,

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Speaker 1: but it is. And guess who texted me last night?

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Speaker 1: Popped up on my phone, Loopy Lou saying do we

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Speaker 1: do a show tomorrow? Are we doing your shower tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: I said, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes,

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Speaker 1: Lupy are you there? Luby lewis here?

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Speaker 2: Hello?

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Speaker 1: Ram A happy happy holiday my friends. How was it?

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Speaker 1: Did you have fun with your family?

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Speaker 2: Happy New Year? And I had a great time. We

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Speaker 2: were eating and drinking and laying down and just having

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was a good time.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love it. Well, thank you for being here today.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I didn't expect anybody to be back.

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Speaker 1: You're the only one of the five co hosts to

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Speaker 1: do a show this week. Mark ll look at me.

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Speaker 1: That's good. You get extra points for that, extra brownie points.

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Speaker 1: So we love love that you are with us. I've

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Speaker 1: got quite good, though, at doing a twenty minute monologue.

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Speaker 1: When I first started podcasting, Mark, I just didn't believe

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Speaker 1: I could do two minutes, let alone twenty, and then

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Speaker 1: twenty by myself. And then I think of people, people

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Speaker 1: who you've worked with. I've worked with, like Wendy Williams,

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Speaker 1: who just opened a show five days a week, and

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Speaker 1: my favorite part of the show was the monologue. I

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Speaker 1: just used to sit there giggling and laughing. So I know,

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Speaker 1: Wendy Williams, I get that. But Wendy, if you're listening

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Speaker 1: A Love A Love Aloe, we know she might be

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Speaker 1: If you're listening, You're my inspiration Wendy the days and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh gosh, Mark, what am I gonna do?

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Speaker 1: What am I gonna talk about for twenty minutes? I

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Speaker 1: think of Wendy and think, if she can do it,

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Speaker 1: I might not be as good, but I'll give it

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Speaker 1: a go.

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Speaker 2: You were the person I can listen to talk all

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Speaker 2: day long. You were the most entertaining person solo any

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Speaker 1: So oh, look at that. You are the best. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's jump into a a show. What time is it,

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Speaker 1: my friends? It is tea Times good story at the

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Speaker 1: top of the show. So Meghan Markle has it made

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Speaker 1: her comeback on Instagram at least, and Harry filmed the video.

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Speaker 1: So Megani's back on Instagram. She posted a really nice

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Speaker 1: video of her running down the beach. It's shot from behind,

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Speaker 1: Hollywood movie, independent type film like this is not in

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Speaker 1: your face. It's not an action hero, it's not Mission Impossible.

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Speaker 1: It's more arty, farty, it's very Megan. So she's running

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Speaker 1: she makes the numbers in the sand, and then the photographer,

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Speaker 1: It's a very very abstract type, very beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a message there, if there's

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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to help really with her new

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Speaker 1: And so I think this is nice. Now. I did

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Speaker 1: have a little look, so I'm noisy. She has about

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Speaker 1: wish her the best here. I'm definitely going definitely that's

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Speaker 2: night because I figure you have to be on top

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Speaker 2: I think they realized one big thing, which is there

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Speaker 2: fans from people. When you're silent, It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right there. It's a disconnect. I'm

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Speaker 1: not knocking anybody for being on social media with both

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Speaker 1: very nosy Mark, get on social media. Tell me all

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Speaker 1: your secrets. I'm happy to listen. However, if I had

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Speaker 1: have a good laugh. Well, Harry, you can fall over

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Speaker 1: But I think Mark, that's you're absolutely right. There's a

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Speaker 2: Why would I do any of these things, buy a

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Speaker 1: I don't know who you are. I'm worse than that,

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Speaker 1: I'm confused about who you are because sometimes the pictures

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Speaker 1: I said to your book mark, do a black and

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Speaker 1: it's not who I am. Megan, find out who you are.

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Speaker 1: of person I am. So who are you, Meghan? Which

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Speaker 1: brings us to our whole question of the day. Megan

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Speaker 1: Markle's Instagram account is bag and Harry filmed a video

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Speaker 1: you follow her? Already told you his answer, I think

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Speaker 1: I've told you mine too. I'm not following her yet,

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Speaker 1: which is quite telling. Will you follow her? Hey? Go

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Speaker 1: vote on our Twitter page at Naughty Noise. Rob Our

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Speaker 1: check back down my rower to hear your results. And now, Mark,

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Speaker 1: this is a massive story. This blew up over the holidays, Mark,

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Speaker 1: and it's only getting bigger. It's quite a detailed story,

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Speaker 1: but I'm sure you can make sense of it.

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Speaker 2: This is a huge story, Rob. So Justin Baldoni has

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Speaker 2: filed a two hundred and fifty million dollar watsuit against

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Speaker 2: The New York Times over the explosive Blake Lively allegations.

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Speaker 2: I't man explain. So Justin Baldoni is not going to

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Speaker 2: go down without a fight. It ends with us. Director

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Speaker 2: has filed a two hundred and fifteen million dollars lossuit

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Speaker 2: against The New York Times. He's accusing the publication of

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Speaker 2: defamation following escaping exposa that rocked Hollywood. Now. The four

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Speaker 2: thousand word piece titled we Can Bury Anyone Inside a

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Speaker 2: Hollywood smear campaign detailed allegations of Baldoni inappropriate behavior on

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Speaker 2: the side of It ends with Us, including claims by

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Speaker 2: co star Blake Lively that Valdonia repeatedly entered her makeup

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Speaker 1: We really we had a couple of more topics to do, Mark,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark, Brad and Angelina finally have settled their

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