1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: The vine. 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 2: All right, my buddy Nick Wright is about to stop 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 2: on buy, so we chop it up for an hour. 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 2: You know, we're going to talk about a lot. That's 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: why I love Nick so much. Before we start with Nick, 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 2: I want you to grab your smartphone. Takes ninety seconds. 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: Download the Game Time App. You will not regret it. 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: It's the fast, easy way to buy tickets to comedy, sports, theater, concerts. Anything. 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: Takes the guess work out of buying tickets at the 10 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: Game Time App. Fast and easy. 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Download 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: the game Time App today, last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. 22 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: All right, we like to bring on nick right as 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: often as we can. And after some speculation if I 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: had given up the sauce, I'm here to announce that. 25 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: Oh there we go. Thank goodness, I was out here 26 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: drinking alone. You. Your excuse last time was essentially all paraphrase. 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: You got so hammered the previous two days with your 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: lovely wife that you needed to detox for a man. 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: Well, you and I have discussed this. 30 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: We are with beautiful creatives. It's every pod. This comes 31 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: up every pod. The listeners of your pod know more 32 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: about your wife and my wife then close family friends do. 33 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, sometimes I let me finish your sentence. Sometimes, 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: in order to get on their intellectual or creative level, 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: or really to remove some social awkwardness, we need to 36 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: have a couple of cocktails in order for them to 37 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: not be embarrassed when they're out in public with us. 38 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: That obviously happens. So yeah, I'm with that. But I 39 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: interrupted you. So cheers. Good to see to see you, 40 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: And I know there's a rant. There's something you want 41 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: to start with. You wouldn't even tell me. You were like, 42 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: I have a rant, so go ahead, let me hear it. 43 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: So you know, if you I think we both think 44 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: of ourselves as people that are, you know, more progressive 45 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: than not. But there are two sides to every coin 46 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: and every argument. But I tend to try to tell 47 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: my kids be curious, adapt travel, don't be rigid. It's 48 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: just no fun to be around. But not everything new 49 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: is right, and not everything right is new. So I 50 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: have some things as an older guy with gray hair 51 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: that I'm a little old school, and I'm gonna throw 52 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: this out. Everybody's got something where they like romanticize the past. 53 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: Or they just they they can be a little bit outdated. 54 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: But it's okay. 55 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: We all like Like, I have a friend who just 56 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: loves like seventies rock and roll. He just can't let 57 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 2: it go. 58 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: I like some of it too. 59 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 2: It's okay, right, sure, So here's mine. Yeah, my wife 60 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: likes being a wife. I like being a husband, and 61 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: I always feel that it's sort of my job to 62 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: just figure shit out. I don't like guys. I don't 63 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: think it's masculine to complain about your kids, about your job, 64 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: about the economy, about your school, about your boss. I 65 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: don't think it's masculine my job. When my wife brings 66 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: me problems, figure them out for her. You open doors. 67 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: She likes the masculinity it sometimes and sometimes she'll. 68 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: Laugh at it. 69 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: You're a guy. I like being a guy. And when 70 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: I watch sometimes the media because that's the business I'm in, 71 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: and politicians just constant grievance and constant complaining. 72 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: I can't do it. 73 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't like it. 74 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: Figure it out. 75 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: If you don't like the economy, do a side hustle, 76 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: make corners. If you don't like your boss, get another job. 77 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: If you don't like a cultural change, then ignore it. 78 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: You don't have to complain about everything. 79 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: So there has been a rapid So there have been 80 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: two very rapid I think cultural shifts just in the 81 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: last ten years. And one, I think, you know, cuts 82 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: against my side of the aisle, and one cuts for 83 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: my side of the aisle. So I will tell them 84 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: both because one leans into what you're talking about. The 85 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: one that cuts against my side of the aisle is 86 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, if people were talking censorship, 87 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: it was the conservatives. It was you know what I mean, 88 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: it was we have to put you know, this parental 89 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: advisory on this record and these video games and this music. 90 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: And now in the last ten years. Yes, there has 91 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: been a level of where people that I want to 92 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: agree with and I tend to agree with the stifling 93 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: of certain speech or this makes me unsafe has become 94 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: very in vogue in some circles. And by the way, 95 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that's meaningless. I think it can be overused. 96 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: And now, if you were to tell me someone is 97 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: trying to stifle speech, I tend to have a different 98 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: look of who they are politically than once upon a time. Right, 99 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: So that's a shift. Here's another one, man, oh man, 100 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: the folks who love to point out and claim everyone 101 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: is triggered and they hate victims. God, you're seeing to 102 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: be the most easily triggerable victim mentality folks these days, 103 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: like every like no, no, no. The reason I have 104 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: a mediocre job is because of DEI rather than the 105 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: fact that I barely graduated my associates degree and I've 106 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: kind of been a mediocre employee everywhere. The fact that, oh, 107 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: my youth expect me to walk down the street, And 108 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: what am I supposed to tell my children if they 109 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: see someone dressed in a way that I don't think 110 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: associates with the gender they were born. I don't know 111 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: be a fucking parent. Have a conversation, is what you do? 112 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: You've been for years, right, use that as an opportunity 113 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: to have a conversation with your child. And so there 114 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: has been a real switch as far as the there 115 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: is it. Once upon a time, I think we had 116 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: a certain right or wrong stereotype of what it meant 117 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: to be liberal and what it meant to be conservative. Yeah, 118 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of those things have been turned on 119 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: their head. Yes, because right now, if you were to 120 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: say to me someone is trying to get a book band, 121 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: that's almost come full circle. Like I used to think 122 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: that would be conservatives. Then there was a period of 123 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: time where it's like, well, not a book band, but 124 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: I do think that there's they want to ban certain 125 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: words used on you know what I mean, on certain schools. 126 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: And now it's come back to, oh, a book band, 127 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: Oh there must be a gay parent in it, and 128 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: you don't want to have that awkward conversation with your 129 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: kids at the dinner table. So and there is a 130 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of woe is me from folks that 131 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: consider themselves alphas, folks that are like, I am the 132 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: manliest man there is, and yet all of this shit 133 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: has gone wrong and you expect me to fix it. 134 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: You think it's my fault. And what you were saying 135 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: about your relationship with your wife. I think it's very 136 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: interesting because this is kind of a cliche, you know, 137 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: fight between spouses, but where very often, again to use 138 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: kind of gender norms, a woman comes to her husband 139 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: says this happened to me or this is a problem, 140 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: and the husband's immediate reaction is, well, here's how we 141 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: can fix it, and the wife gets pissed, like, I 142 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: don't want you to fix it. I want you to 143 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: like sit with me in this you know problem. But 144 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: you and I are, and I think a lot of 145 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: people are in a way, and I think this tends 146 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: to be more men than women, where it's like, no, 147 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: let's just rather than like kind of empathize about the issue, 148 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: try to solve the issue, and I think that can 149 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: be frustrating for certain people. I do think it is 150 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: very useful and helpful in relationships. If whatever your guys, 151 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: whatever you perceived you wanted your role to be as 152 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: the husband. Yeah, if that's the role your wife before 153 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: you guys were married, perceived she wanted her husband to have, 154 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: Like it is important to me that I am the provider. Yeah, 155 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: that's an you can say that's toxic. It's ego, whatever 156 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: it is, it is it is. And my wife's very 157 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: successful and owns her own business. And you want to know, 158 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: one reason I'm not going to retire anytime soon. I 159 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: would be more likely to retire if she did. But 160 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: the idea that there's gonna be a day where I'm like, honey, 161 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: I need some money. I can't do it. Yeah, I 162 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: just couldn't do it. And maybe that's bad, Maybe I 163 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't be admitting that, but that's how I am. But 164 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: also that's who she wants. She doesn't want you know 165 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: what I mean. She wants someone motivated in those types 166 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: of ways, which is why it works. Yeah. 167 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 2: No, Anna has said to me before, and she's funny. 168 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: This morning, she's in an area of the country that's 169 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: very cold, and I said, where are you. She goes, 170 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: I'm at TJ Max looking for a winter jacket. And 171 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: that's why I love her, Like she would never go 172 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: to expensive store. She's like, I'm at TJ Max. They 173 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: didn't have it, so I'm going to uh, you know, 174 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: Target or wherever. And I'm like, right, I love you. 175 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: Some good but then somewhere yeah. 176 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: But she also said, a couple of weeks ago, we 177 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: did something that was reasonably extravagant for us, and she said, 178 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: you know, you you talk about retirement. There are some things, 179 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: there are advantages. Do you not retiring? 180 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: You make exactly right, exactly right, I said to the 181 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: I said, and again, now we're just talking about our life, 182 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: in our relationships. That's fine. The audience. There's not all 183 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: going on sports. We can get to it later, I 184 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: said to my wife, not that long ago, because I'm 185 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: I turned forty this year, and that's a weird thing. 186 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: Forty is like a weird a thing psychologically. Like when 187 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: I turned thirty five, my buddy called me and was like, hey, 188 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: there is one big change thirty five. And I'm like, 189 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: what's that. He's like, you're not professionally graded on a curve. 190 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: Ever again, I'm like, what do you mean. He's like, 191 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: when you're thirty three, you get to be really good 192 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: for a young guy, You get to be an up 193 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: and comer, you get to be graded on potential. He's like, 194 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: when you're nobody looks at the thirty seven year old 195 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: and he's like, well, he's going to turn into the 196 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: it's like you are now, you're just an adult, like 197 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: from thirty five on, you're not graded on a curve anymore. 198 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: And at forty at least for me psychologically, I need 199 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: to I don't know, I need to really have a 200 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: plan laid out of what I think I want to do. 201 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: So I said to my wife. I was like, I 202 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: was like, I think I want to do this ten 203 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: more years and she's like, what do you mean. I 204 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: was like, ten more years. Our youngest is in college. 205 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: If I'm not just a total schmuck, I'll have the 206 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: money set aside. And then I was like, then I 207 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: don't know, like maybe I travel and play poker, maybe 208 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: I go to law school. And she was like, you're 209 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: not quitting. And I'm like, but you hate how much 210 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: I work. She was like, yeah, I think you work 211 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: too much, but you need to keep working. She's like, 212 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: you could work a little less. I'm like, we'll be 213 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: I was like, I've done the math, like I think 214 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: you know, we could have X amount of dollars whatever 215 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: it is. And what she was saying is a she 216 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: doesn't think I would actually quit. What she's also saying 217 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: is yeah, but to live our lifestyle if there's no 218 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: more money coming in, Like there's a level of like 219 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: how long are we gonna live? Like maybe push fifty 220 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: to fifty five or sixty? Uh yeah. So because I thought, 221 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: I was like ten more years, I'll do it ten 222 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: more years. But she says, no, how about this one? 223 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: So this When I was in high school, I can 224 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: remember my mom saying, oh you are she was British. 225 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: Oh you're such a scat of brain. I can remember 226 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: having girlfriends in my twenties and thirties. You are such 227 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: a scattered brain. I really like you. But you forget 228 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: your keys, you lose your wallet, you can't keep a 229 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: bear of sunglasses. So I remember telling Anne when I 230 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: met her, I said, here's what's going to happen in 231 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: my career because the way my mind works, and I'm 232 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: thinking about rants all day, and I lose myself sometime 233 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,239 Speaker 2: I talk to myself, I lose myself, lose train of thought. 234 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: I said, I've been doing it since I started at 235 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: twenty three years old. But once your hair is gray 236 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: and the first number of your ages six, then it's 237 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: viewed as always lost as fastball, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, 238 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: I lost this fastball at fourteen. This is my brain. 239 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: I lose my train of thought regularly. That's not my 240 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: age all. No, when I've gone, you know, I've lost 241 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: some marbles, So I said, so whereas thirty five maybe 242 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: some line of demarcation. Six is when your bosses start going. 243 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 2: You know, that wasn't just a mistake, right, getting that's 244 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: a different thing. So that's a different thing, which is 245 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: now you. 246 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: So the this is again that I'm not quite forty 247 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: and you're not. You're not sixty. I'm six. 248 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: I'm sixty. 249 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: Oh six, you just turned sixty? Yeah, just turnt oh 250 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: I missed? Oh okay, I'm bad at birthdays. Well, a 251 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: happy birthday. That's a big one. I thought I thought 252 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: you were just about turn sixty. But the other things 253 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: is is, you know, I show up at work with 254 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: a broken arm, and people are good with what I 255 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: told him, But in the back of their head, they're like, 256 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: I wonder if Nick was doing something he shouldn't have 257 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: been doing. You're sixty, you show up at work with 258 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: a broken arm. They're like, oh no, he fell in 259 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: that house. They're like, oh no, Like is he okay? 260 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: Like that? You're right that there there are right now, 261 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: Collin Cowherd or like I'll use a good example, a 262 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: guy who I know we both have massive like either 263 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: personal or professional affection or love for that. It's so 264 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: baked into how people think of him. No one thinks 265 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: it's because he's old. Mad Dog can do every any 266 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: can make any mistake because he's made them forever. Mad 267 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: mad Dog has gotten names wrong in these things forever. Yeah, 268 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: so because of that, if he does it, no one's like, oh, 269 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: he's getting a little older. It's like this is who 270 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: he's always been. So you almost need built in that 271 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: people know who you are in order you can't be 272 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: the guy who was super sharp on everything. And then 273 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, as you get older, start forgetting things start 274 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: whatever it is. That's a that's a different story. 275 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's but I've always known it's coming. I've 276 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: always known it's I just can't come to work with 277 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: a cast on my arm or all that. 278 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's a problem. It's almost problem for me. 279 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: There have been a handful of of friends I've had 280 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: in this business. You're certainly at the top of the 281 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: list of people who are mathey compartmentalized well, and they 282 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: all have the ability to gamble well or be lawyers. 283 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: They'd be good lawyers and good gamblers. You're one of 284 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: those people. 285 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: That's so funny. What did I say I was going 286 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: to do if I quit this? I said, maybe go 287 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: play poker and maybe go be a lawyer. Exactly right, Yes, 288 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: And so that's that's how your brain works. One of 289 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: the things I think one of my bigger criticisms of 290 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: the media sometimes the sports media all stand. The sports 291 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: media is just the naivete of the sports media. The 292 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: escort business in America is largely run by professional athletes. 293 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just you go to a hotel on 294 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: the road, it's it's escorts. It doesn't matter if it's 295 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: La Houston, Atlanta, it's baseball, hockey, bet like every like. 296 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: It's it's you could not small street. Pro athletes are 297 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: probably the two biggest at the centers and those and it's. 298 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: Say what you want. It's legal in every city in 299 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: the country. Maybe not Salt Lake, but but but everywhere 300 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: else it's happening, right, and. 301 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: It's consenting adults. I'm not going to judge that this 302 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: is not I don't feel like anyone's being Everyone knows 303 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: what they're signing up for sure. 304 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: The second thing is everybody is gambling everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. 305 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: Everybody's got bookies, everybody's gambling. And finally, actually when a 306 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: DraftKings comes in, there's clarity. You can bet on everything 307 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 2: except the NFL and don't be in our facility. Yeah, 308 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 2: you can bet at anything else that's actually helping the business. 309 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 2: Now it's like, just don't be here and don't bet football, 310 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: go bet anything, so that creates clarity. Baseball, no illegal 311 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 2: bookies and don't bet baseball. So I don't look at 312 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: it as a negative. I look at complete clarity on 313 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: what you can bet on everything and what you can't 314 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: our sport. So this is around about way of getting 315 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: into Otani. 316 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: Is I think. 317 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: And celebrities Billy Joel lost ninety million, Robert de Niro 318 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 2: eighty eight, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tim Duncan, John Elway, smart people, 319 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 2: great degrees, great schools, have lost hundreds of millions of dollars. 320 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: There is more now than ever. It's an industry to 321 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 2: target rich, young celebrities who are clueless about business. So 322 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 2: I look at Otani and I think, yeah, I'm not 323 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: shocked as interpreter with nothing but downtime and money use 324 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: an illegal bookmaker in southern California. But I also think 325 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: it's possible that o'tani is not looking at his bank account. 326 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: Billy Joel was DeNiro banks, charity schools get duped. 327 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I talked about this because I am Matthey 328 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: and lawyerly, I'm not good organizationally, and I have weird 329 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: I have weird like anxiety triggers, like I don't like 330 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: I don't I have right now if it looked at 331 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: my phone and I'll tell you the exact number. I 332 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: have two hundred and fifty four unopened text messages, So 333 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: like that's not unresponded to. That is I haven't even 334 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: opened them and read them. And it's not because I'm 335 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: in group chats. I've got so I So I say 336 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: that because so I have weird things about like even 337 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: if I know I have money, I have I struggle 338 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: like opening the bank app, like I don't like to 339 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: look at it. I don't know weird thing in my brain. Okay, 340 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: say that if someone was stealing from me, I could 341 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: go months and not know it. There's three there's three 342 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: people who basically have access you know what I mean, 343 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: And there are people I trust. There are people that 344 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: I you know, either handle my investments, my taxes, or 345 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: make sure my agent's paid. All of that. Those three people, 346 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 1: if they and by the way, even when I they 347 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: do check, like what do they do they send me 348 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: a bank statement? Those are easily forged, Like if I 349 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: did to do a people do not every month do 350 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: a real self audit if they are paying people to 351 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: handle their money. Having money stolen from you is just truly, 352 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: in my opinion, mostly bad luck. It means the person 353 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: you trusted was dishonest or had a problem, whatever it is. 354 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: And I'll take it a step further. This is what 355 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: I discussed this so I do. Who would be the 356 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: single easiest person in the world for me to steal from? 357 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: The answer is my son because he trusts me implicitly. 358 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: He relies on me for things that he doesn't know about, 359 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: like hey, how do I file my taxes? What do 360 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 1: I do? I have all of his information and he 361 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: would never ever think that I would be taking advantage 362 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: of because I have always worked for him, helping him 363 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: out all of it. Well, who in the world do 364 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: you trust more than the person who speaks for you 365 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: and translates for you in a foreign country. You come 366 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: to America, don't even speak the language. Right, every interaction 367 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: you have this guy is attached to. Of course you're 368 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: going you have to trust him implicitly with everything. So 369 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: if he's gonna steal from you, you're not gonna see 370 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 1: it coming because then all of it, Like if you 371 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: have to worry what this guy steal from me, then 372 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: you also have to worry is he lying to my employer? 373 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: Is he lying to my agent? Like every single interaction 374 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: you have that he's involved in. So I I think 375 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: it is totally plausible that Otani could have a few 376 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: million missing and not know it. I think it's totally 377 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: plausible that this guy would have full access to it. 378 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: The part of the Otani story that I want more 379 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: investigation on is multi layered. One is this bookie that 380 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: gave a guy a multimillion dollar credit limit. I want 381 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: to know more about that because I've gambled and I 382 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: know how credit works, and I don't have Otani money, 383 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,479 Speaker 1: but I do have Otani's translator money. Yeah, and I 384 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's hard to get 385 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: a credit. It's hard to get a credit line. With 386 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: any bookie in America higher than fifty thousand dollars, we're 387 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: talking about a million plus. So I'm interested in that 388 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: was that guy trading? Did the bookie think Otani was 389 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: making the best even if he wasn't. The other thing 390 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: that I want to know about is this because the 391 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: part of the story that I don't understand is there 392 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: seems to be a thirty six hour period between when 393 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: the angels and authorities believed, oh, the interpreter has been 394 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: doing something wrong and when they and from that there 395 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: was a thirty six hour period where from that moment 396 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: nobody he was like, Hey, we need someone else that 397 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: speaks Japanese to update Otani. 398 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: Right. 399 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: There seems to be a day and a half where 400 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: they were like, interpreter, you're in trouble. Now, go tell 401 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: Otani you're in trouble. And it's like, wait a minute, Yeah, 402 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen to me. That does that mean Baseball 403 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: or the Angels or somebody was like just hoping, please 404 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: let this go away, please? You know. I don't know, 405 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: so they're a part of it, part of the story 406 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: that doesn't I'm like, hmmm, I need more information there, 407 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: but I do not. I don't think it is. I 408 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: think it is more likely than not that Otani didn't 409 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: do anything here right then he was a victim. I 410 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: think the most likely outcome that Otani had money stolen 411 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: from him by someone he trusts. Yeah, or go ahead, sorry, 412 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: And I. 413 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: Do think the Dodgers in Major League Baseball are praying 414 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: he didn't know anything, and if it comes in gray, 415 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: that will be he didn't know anything. 416 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: And by the way, I also I don't know if 417 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: this would be against Baseball's rules or not. But if 418 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: the end is that Otani knew his best friend was 419 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: gambling and he covered it for him because the money 420 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: is all fake to him anyway, I wouldn't judge him 421 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: for that at all. Maybe that's against the rules right 422 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: right now, that's now I would judge him if it's like, 423 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: but now I'm going to tell everyone you stole from 424 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: me and you got to go to prison. That then 425 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, that's a problem. But so we'll 426 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: see what it comes out. I don't think. But my 427 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: gut reaction is not Otani was bet. It just wasn't. 428 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense, Yeah, it doesn't logically, I don't 429 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: think that's how that works. And I and here's the 430 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: other thing. If he was betting, he's not wiring the 431 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: money from his account, right, Like there's a he would 432 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: have been more subtle about it if he were better. Yeah, 433 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: And I and I think. 434 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 2: Like whenever I whenever I hear the kind of the 435 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 2: do gooders in the media lament gambling, I'm always like 436 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: I said this to John Middlikoff. If you want to 437 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 2: be a journalist, then be a journalist. And journalists have 438 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: to report both sides. The average bet by DraftKings and 439 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: FanDuel is four dollars. Hard to break your family on that. 440 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: And the disturbance distortion rate is one percent, meaning one 441 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 2: percent of gamblers get in trouble. I have to read 442 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: a one eight hundred number after every spot. The distortion 443 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: disturbance rate with alcohol is six percent. And they tell 444 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: you know when to say when, so are we closing 445 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: all the bars? 446 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: Stadiums? 447 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: Ply you with alcohol it hurts your brain, your liver, 448 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: your family, your bank account. So I think a lot 449 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 2: of people are using this OTAWNI moment to waive caution 450 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: flags of this gambling thing is terrible. No, like anything else, 451 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 2: anything that is fun, it can be abused, used, and 452 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: I think we are going through a period in sports. 453 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: Rick Neuheisel gotten in trouble years ago at the University 454 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: of Washington for betting a March Madness pool. It got 455 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: him fired. Gambling has always been something that is mistakes 456 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 2: or made aid. There's a lot of money, it's fun, 457 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: it's young people, they have cash. I don't think O 458 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: Taani is a signal that gambling is I never thought 459 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: it was a virtue, but that it's it is this 460 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: problem in America. We've been doing it forever. 461 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: So so couple things. So I I agree and disagree 462 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: with you on this. So I I think that we 463 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: can have an honest conversation about Listen, there are a 464 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: lot of things that are going to cause some very 465 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: significant harm to a percentage of people that do it 466 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: that we just say we don't I don't want to 467 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: say we don't care. But it's that's the cost of 468 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: living in a free society essentially, you know what I 469 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: mean that we're just now. I I do think that 470 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: the that there there's two things that I think should 471 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: be at least looked at. One is the ease with 472 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: which because you mentioned alcohol, that I think a fair 473 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: distinction is I can't hear an alcohol add and grab 474 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: my phone and a shot comes up, right like the 475 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: fact that the ease with the z constrictionless part of it. Yes, 476 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: I think has it has some unintended consequences that when 477 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, gambling's legal is Supreme Court chains laws. 478 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: Gambling is legal, but in order to do it you 479 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: got to get in your car go to a casino 480 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: stand for like, you know what I mean. So there 481 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: are so I do think that there could be some 482 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: push and pull there. To me, the bigger gambling story 483 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 1: this week was not Otani. It was the kid in 484 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: the NBA Porter, Michael Porter Junior's brother, who the circumstantial 485 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: evidence makes it seem like he was banging on his 486 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: own personal points and rebounds unders to the tune of 487 00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: ten twenty thirty grand. So that now, people, if I 488 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: asked me, people ask me all the time, do you 489 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: think games are fixed? 490 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: Like? 491 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I'm like now, college games some definitely. And 492 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: do I think that we will have a referee based 493 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: officiating or a betting scandal in one of the major 494 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: sports in the next few years? Yeah, I do, just 495 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: because college kids don't have any money. Refs don't make 496 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: a ton of money, and you can make fifty grand 497 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: one hundred grand. So I think that could happen. But that, 498 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: by the way, happened forever. Okay, there have been gotten 499 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: college that's legal, illegal gambling that can happen. The thing 500 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: that so, But for a pro athlete, anyone that has 501 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: the ability to throw an NBA game makes so much money. 502 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: Being able to win forty grand, which is about the 503 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: most you can bet on an NBA game, doesn't make sense. 504 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: The only people who could really throw a football game 505 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: or quarterbacks. Yeah, you know, so it doesn't make sense. 506 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 1: But now all of a sudden, it's like, oh, I 507 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: can bet real money on in individual player props props. Yeah, 508 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: now we are talking about an area where there is 509 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: this John Tay Porter. I don't know that he did 510 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: it or he didn't, but the Johntay Porter story will 511 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: not be the first one world not be the only one. 512 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: And you see it in other sports. You've seen it 513 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: for you like you see it in tennis. Tennis, it's 514 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: a big problem, you know what I mean, Certain guys 515 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: who don't make a ton of money and can make 516 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: ten fifteen percent of their annual salary by doing something 517 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: that really does feel victimless, because if you are the 518 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: eighth man on an NBA team and you're like, man, 519 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: I just got to check in and then say my 520 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: hamstring hurts. I don't even know that it's going to 521 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: hurt the team, and I can make twenty grand. People 522 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: are gonna do that, Flatley. People are gonna do that. 523 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: And the only now, the reason I bring it up 524 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: in this context is those player props. When I had 525 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: to bet with a bookie, Nope, you couldn't say to 526 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: a bookie, hey, man, I'd like to take Dante DiVincenzo 527 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: under nine and a half points, and I'd be like, oh, 528 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: fuck yourself, pal, you know something, I'm not taking a bet, 529 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: And so those markets didn't exist. But now the player 530 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: props are big market, so I do think we'll see 531 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: more of it. It doesn't mean you have to have 532 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: a prohibition on it, but we have to be honest 533 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: about the likelihood of it, and the incentive structure is 534 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: changing versus fixing games, which pro athletes are not going 535 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: to do because you can't there's no not real money in. 536 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: It right now. I do think I've said this before 537 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: Henry Hill, Boston College or Boston University. I think college athletics, 538 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: especially pre nil, I think a lot of players felt 539 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 2: like they were being used. They hate a coach, they 540 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 2: want twelve thousand bucks. They got a girlfriend, they want 541 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: a new car. There is no Just like college basketball, 542 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: cheating was way worse than John Wooden's era than it 543 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: is ten years ago. There's a magnifying glass. I think 544 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: college basketball, there's three hundred and sixty teams. It used 545 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: to be in the sixties, seventies, eighties, and nineties, twelve 546 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: games a week were televised. It was so much easier 547 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: than you didn't have the comput I mean, good God, 548 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: to think about something that's not analogous, but you know, 549 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 2: it was at the beginning of Ted Bundy's killing spree 550 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: where states could link up and go. I mean it 551 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: used to be neighboring states had no idea. I had 552 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: no idea, just go from place to place. I had 553 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: no idea who he was. And now literally you can 554 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: find DNA and go find a guy that did something 555 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: forty eight years ago. The advancements on finding bad guys, well, 556 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,719 Speaker 2: there were no advancements in the forties fifty sixty seventies, eighties, nineties, 557 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: five thousand bucks to a kid in college was generational. 558 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: It fell well. And so that's that's the part of 559 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: it for the college athletes that I think people just 560 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: don't remember how broke they were in kylege oh I Colin, 561 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've told you this story on 562 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: the air or not. It's not I mean, it's twenty 563 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: years ago now, but it's not something I'm proud of. 564 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: I I lost. I lost one thousand dollars in a 565 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: poker game in college. Not a college poker game, a 566 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: in this in this city of South Syracuse, some Armenian 567 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: fellas and some real a real guy's game. And I 568 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: owed a thousand dollars. And I'd been playing in the 569 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: game for like a year, and I had till Friday 570 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: to pay the guy money. And I had like two 571 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: hundred dollars to my name, and I owed him a 572 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 1: thousand bucks. So I went to a different game with 573 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: the two hundred bucks and I'm like, the only way 574 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to get this is to try to spin 575 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: it up. I did not. I lost it. And I 576 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: went to the guy who runs that game, and I'm like, hey, 577 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: can I borrow one thousand dollars? And he's like, why 578 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: are you asking for this? I'm like, because I owe 579 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: it to that guy. You know, he he knew who 580 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: it was. And he's like, so let me just make 581 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: sure I have it right. You're more afraid of him 582 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,479 Speaker 1: than you are of me, And I'm like, well, I 583 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: think he would maybe hurt me. I don't I know. 584 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: I I don't think you would. But that doesn't mean 585 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stiff you. I just need more time. And 586 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: he's like, you're borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. It's 587 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: a terrible idea. I will loan it to you and 588 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: you will pay me back. And don't you know think 589 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: that our friendship will prevent me from making sure I 590 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: get it back. In that moment, Colin, if I were 591 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: a college athlete and someone was like, hey, I can 592 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: fix this for you, ten X, I was so scared 593 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: and so like out of moves, didn't want to call 594 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: my couldn't call my parents, didn't want you know what 595 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: I mean, like the those moments. And so now you 596 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: can say then that gambling caused it. I understand that 597 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's just it is what it is. 598 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: And so that and that was one thousand dollars. One 599 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: thousand dollars but in that moment a thousand dollars. But 600 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: I remember the day after that happened, I was walking 601 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: by a Jimmy Johns and there was like a little 602 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: like Discover card kioskin out in front, and it said 603 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: sign up for the If you sign up for the 604 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: credit card, you get a free sandwich. And I was like, 605 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: you're goddamn right, I'm getting that free sandwich. And then 606 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 1: and that's actually what saved me was I had never 607 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: had a credit card, and then I realized, oh, you 608 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: can get a cash advance on a credit card. So 609 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: I signed up for a Discover card with a thousand 610 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: dollars limit, like a three hundred dollars cash advance limit, 611 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: signed up for a couple more, paid that guy back, 612 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: and then you know, paid sixty two percent APR on 613 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 1: those cash advances, you know what I mean? Until probably 614 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: I was twenty three years old, but I really felt 615 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: out of moves. Sure, and so there is a level 616 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: of like, what does someone at nineteen twenty years old 617 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: who feels like they're in a rough spot, what would 618 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: they do to fix it? And if the answer is 619 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: you can win, just don't win by twelve. That feels 620 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: like the you know what I mean, the easiest fix 621 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: there ever was. I'm not encouraging it, but I also 622 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: am saying right now as someone who's been in those spots, 623 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: I don't think I would be like, oh, that person 624 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 1: is a bad person. I'd be like, no, they got put. 625 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: They were in a rough spot and they felt squeezed. 626 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: In defense, if you will, of legal gambling on things 627 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: like that, it is way more likely to be discovered 628 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: and found out now that gambling's legal versus when it 629 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: was all through bookies, and you know what I mean, 630 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: there wasn't a real rightulated market on it. That part's true. 631 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you can hide to our previous 632 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 2: discussion on serial colors being discovered, if you could hide 633 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 2: something like that for forty years, you could hide a 634 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 2: turnover and a miss jumper in a nineteen seventy seven 635 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 2: basketball game that wasn't televised, of course, the easiest thing 636 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 2: in the world. 637 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: Well, and there was. I think it was City College 638 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: New York. I think it was CCNY through I don't 639 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: know it was the national championship game, but I know 640 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: there was a movie about it from the fifties. They 641 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,479 Speaker 1: did in fifties called City Dumps. It was the best 642 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: team in the country and you know, I mean they 643 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: were accuse them of game. 644 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 2: Fix the volume. Thanks for listening to part one of 645 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 2: the conversations with Nick. Don't forget the check back for 646 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 2: part two.