Speaker 1: You were in the market for free agent? Who do
Speaker 1: you want to get in that group three? Are you
Speaker 1: getting a cut? I think he's getting a cut. This
Speaker 1: Welcome into what's vernon? I'm fresh off of plane from Denver,
Speaker 1: right and chipper and cheery after forty five minutes of sleep.
Speaker 1: But the Nuggets are NBA champions. Matt Barnes, boogy cousins,
Speaker 1: welcome in. Look is this what you expected? Is this
Speaker 1: going into this finals? I think you both picked the Nuggets?
Speaker 1: So would you think.
Speaker 2: First of all, let's just talk about your night. I
Speaker 2: hit so Nate hit me last night, asked him, I'm
Speaker 2: coming in. I'm like, yeah, I'm coming in. Who am
Speaker 2: I working with? Because I just saw Rachel getting champagne
Speaker 2: nearly poured on her, Like she's in Denver in the
Speaker 2: locker room, right, yeah, in Denver in the locker room.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, she's catching an early fight. So what
Speaker 2: was your give us your last twenty four hours?
Speaker 1: All right? So flew out to Denver, you know, there
Speaker 1: for the game and kind of you know, we expected, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're because we think the championship could happen. And Miami
Speaker 1: jumps out to that sizeable lead. At the start of
Speaker 1: the game and you're thinking, Oh, okay, now I gotta
Speaker 1: make plans for Thursday. What's happening? This is what happens.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the media section.
Speaker 2: Do you pack for? What to do you pack for?
Speaker 2: You have to pack for Denver?
Speaker 1: And I was gonna come home between either way, but
Speaker 1: some trips you do, right, So it just kind of depends.
Speaker 1: But yeah, everyone in the media section is partly concerned
Speaker 1: about the game and partly concerned about how it will
Speaker 1: affect their plans to go home or not. And then
Speaker 1: as Denver kind of makes the comeback and it just
Speaker 1: Miami to me. I don't know, you guys thought it
Speaker 1: just thought. At some point you run out of legs, right,
Speaker 1: like just Jimmy Butler looked like he couldn't elevate, like
Speaker 1: the team BAM couldn't do everything. And it felt like
Speaker 1: Denver was settling in. And then those last two minutes
Speaker 1: were absolutely bedlam and the arena was going crazy. It
Speaker 1: was so much fun. And then postgame wants they're awarding
Speaker 1: the trophy. It takes really long time. All the stuff
Speaker 1: is happening, and they've never won a title in Denver before.
Speaker 1: For the nuggets. Obviously they've won a bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 1: So the streets were bananas. I saw people were like,
Speaker 1: you know, honking everywhere, traffic everywhere, out in the streets.
Speaker 2: I saw Aaron Gordon out in the streets with his people.
Speaker 1: Aaron left the arena in a very good place. That's
Speaker 1: good is that it's a final champagne.
Speaker 2: There you go, as he should big So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know they were letting off a
Speaker 1: lot of fireworks. And then I wake up this morning
Speaker 1: and hear that one of those fireworks was sadly a shooting.
Speaker 1: So you know it's rough when that happens. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was four thirty in the morning in a car
Speaker 1: on the way to the airport so I could come
Speaker 1: be and hang out with you good people with dedication.
Speaker 2: Boom, that's serious. Okay, Now back to the game. As
Speaker 2: you were saying, yeah, exactly, I just thought, obviously Miami
Speaker 2: had a hell of a run, historic run in my opinion.
Speaker 2: I mean, you didn't finish with the championship, but where
Speaker 2: they came from to what they did, and I say
Speaker 2: they had the most heart and just everything you need
Speaker 2: to win. Denver just had more talent at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, Like I said, I think Miami got
Speaker 2: as far as they could possibly got. Jimmy was great
Speaker 2: the entire time, struggled the entire game until the last
Speaker 2: two minutes and and made it interesting and only the
Speaker 2: way he can do it. But at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, you know, Jokic was incredible, Murray fairly consistent.
Speaker 2: The others that stepped up, Aaron Gordon was huge, Porter
Speaker 2: Junior played well in a few games. So I just
Speaker 2: think Denver overall had more talent and and got the
Speaker 2: job done. But man, hats off to Mike Malone and
Speaker 2: those guys. First championship. I saw something that said stan kronky'
Speaker 2: is the first owner that had what for American sports
Speaker 2: titles in the last two years. That's not he's making
Speaker 2: money across I had played. Still that's still you're winning money.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: But yeah, shout out to Denver, man and congratulations for sure.
Speaker 1: But would you think of the way the finals went overall?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think we can all say nobody expected
Speaker 4: this to be, you know, the finals this year. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Miami was you know, a super big dark horse, and
Speaker 4: you know, on a version not even making the playoffs,
Speaker 4: they going to like Matt said on story where in
Speaker 4: the wins. Obviously Denver wasn't the favorite to come out,
Speaker 4: especially with the big trade happening with Kadie earlier in
Speaker 4: the season. So just a lot of things didn't really
Speaker 4: go as expected. Boston was expected to come out of
Speaker 4: the East or the Bugs or you know, a team
Speaker 4: of that nature, and you know nothing when is playing.
Speaker 4: But I will say I felt like this was the
Speaker 4: finals that you know, us as basketball fans and just
Speaker 4: fans of the game in general, had needed to see.
Speaker 4: And with that being said, it's a different look. It's
Speaker 4: something we haven't seen. We saw where to a big
Speaker 4: man's now down to nating the game. And again, I
Speaker 4: mean I would say for the past decade it's been
Speaker 4: dominated by mostly guards. So I believe is the NBA
Speaker 4: is now on the verge of making another shift in
Speaker 4: its playing stop because we all know the NBA is
Speaker 4: a trendy league. Uh you know, want to go to
Speaker 4: State went on their run the entire league when small yep.
Speaker 4: And one thing that stood out to me about this
Speaker 4: finals matchup.
Speaker 3: Is dem is just a big ass team.
Speaker 2: A gentlemen man. Right.
Speaker 4: You got a seven foot center playing the point, you
Speaker 4: got a power forward that sixteen spreading the floor. You
Speaker 4: got another small floor power forward at sixteen spreading the floor,
Speaker 4: and athletic. You got a championship guard in KCP. And
Speaker 4: then you know the icing on the cherry on top
Speaker 4: of Jamal Murray as.
Speaker 3: Your big shot maker.
Speaker 4: So it's the perfect combination. And it's now a time
Speaker 4: where the league has to adjust again. So I think
Speaker 4: the league has to start going big again. You know,
Speaker 4: we have to see what just to match up with
Speaker 4: just different team because they're locked in for a few
Speaker 4: years down the line, and this is a team that
Speaker 4: the league is gonna have to continue to see.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I love that take. But is it is
Speaker 2: it a new age big? I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: back to the basket bang big. Is it Is it
Speaker 2: a like like your style, Big Jokic style, embad style,
Speaker 2: just big that can do everything or do you feel
Speaker 2: like guys are going to be effective just dropping it
Speaker 2: down again and going to work.
Speaker 3: I think it's both.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a new style Big, but let's be honest,
Speaker 4: he's doing on the offensive end. He does most of
Speaker 4: his damage in the posts, and I think that plays
Speaker 4: into the factor of teams of garden a seven foot offensive,
Speaker 4: a three level scoring offensive big at seven foot with
Speaker 4: a small forward or power forward or today's power forward.
Speaker 4: It's just the matchups don't make sense. So, I mean,
Speaker 4: the last time we saw Jokic actually be held to
Speaker 4: you know, decent or average numbers the championship LEGAC team
Speaker 4: and they had Dawhite Howe, a traditional big. So I
Speaker 4: think you got to put all that into, you know,
Speaker 4: in the play when it comes to how did we
Speaker 4: defend this championship thing.
Speaker 2: Because they're gonna have a nice little run.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, what you're talking about with the bigs.
Speaker 1: The three finalists for MVP this year all big men, right,
Speaker 1: and who's the highest rated prospect in years and years
Speaker 1: about to come into the league victor another big and
Speaker 1: who does play in a different style. Right, he's taking
Speaker 1: the ball off the floor and you know, duck and
Speaker 1: weave it all. Yeah, So I think we're going to
Speaker 1: see that shift absolutely, kind of absolutely. There was a
Speaker 1: bunch of times last night where Denver was having trouble
Speaker 1: hitting the three, where I was screaming like, why don't
Speaker 1: we just go to the basket. And by the way,
Speaker 1: on both sides with the Heat too. There was a
Speaker 1: period on some of these games where the Heat were
Speaker 1: struggling to get their shots to fall, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: just go to the basket. Three is more than two,
Speaker 1: but two is more than zero. And you know, Jokic
Speaker 1: goes down there like a freight train can get the
Speaker 1: team out of that slump and going again. So I
Speaker 1: do think, I just I think we're gonna see more
Speaker 1: and more of that for sure. And look, Yokic well
Speaker 1: deserved finals MVP. These were his numbers, guys, thirty point
Speaker 1: two points per game, fourteen rebounds a game, seven point
Speaker 1: two assists per game, uh, steal in a half per game.
Speaker 1: He's only twenty eight years old. I mean, it's bonkers.
Speaker 1: He also showed again why he's a different kind of superstar.
Speaker 1: Did you guys see the clip of them asking him
Speaker 1: about the parade?
Speaker 2: He wanted to go home, right right?
Speaker 1: Did you see this? Billy? They really go were you
Speaker 1: excited to be in your first parade? And he got
Speaker 1: very agitated and looked to the PR guy and was like, wait,
Speaker 1: when's the parade? And probably Thursday, news man, I got
Speaker 1: to get home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's funny. Yeah, shaking the champagne either. He
Speaker 2: looked kind of uncomfortable doing that. But I think Rachel,
Speaker 2: there are so many amazing storylines from a standpoint of
Speaker 2: obviously Jokic getting over that hump two times MVP again,
Speaker 2: we got a chance to, you know, interview his agent
Speaker 2: and kind of tell how he was found in the newspaper,
Speaker 2: which is crazy. Now you look at him and he's,
Speaker 2: you know, a two time MVP Finals MVP and a
Speaker 2: champion Jamal Murray, you know, thinking he was damaged goods,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to live down bubble Jamal, and he
Speaker 2: was able to win a championship. Aaron Gordon out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: I mean, he played incredible.
Speaker 1: And accepting a different role, yes than he had.
Speaker 2: He was twenty one, twenty point game score over in
Speaker 2: Orlando and he sacrificed. But to me, that's one of
Speaker 2: the dopest ones because I started playing with Aaron Gordon
Speaker 2: when he had just turned fifteen years old. He used
Speaker 2: to come to San Francisco and playing the keys Oar
Speaker 2: Summer League, and I was throwing this little fifteen year
Speaker 2: old kid lives. I'm like, yo, this kid's gonna be
Speaker 2: a fucking monster, and I got a chance to meet
Speaker 2: his family and everybody, and then to see him grow
Speaker 2: through high school, go to college for a year, and
Speaker 2: then you know, do what he did in Orlando, and
Speaker 2: then like you said, you know, accept a role of
Speaker 2: you know, being being a star in his role on
Speaker 2: a championship caliber team. So that was dope. Michael Porter Junior,
Speaker 2: all the back trouble he's had. And then guys like
Speaker 2: my brother DeAndre Jordan, you know that the first one
Speaker 2: out of the Lop City trio to get a ring
Speaker 2: maybe the only one. You know, I'm hoping out. I'm
Speaker 2: holding out for Blake and Chris. You know, Jeff Green
Speaker 2: a former teammate of mine who I think we'll talk
Speaker 2: about later. You know, had a long career of battle
Speaker 2: with former teammate. Everyone almost died, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: had had the heart condition and bounce back from that.
Speaker 2: So it's just a bunch of different guys. Ish Ish
Speaker 2: Smith has played on as many teams as years, So
Speaker 2: I mean, I was just really happy. Like Boogie said,
Speaker 2: it wasn't the team we expected to be there, either team,
Speaker 2: but when you look at it and the way they played,
Speaker 2: the way they handled the business, and then the character
Speaker 2: of guys on the team along with Mike Malone, great guy.
Speaker 2: You know, I couldn't be happier for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was talking to Michael Porter Junior after the
Speaker 1: game and he was bringing up those surgeries. He just said,
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, he's like threes back surgeries.
Speaker 2: It's serious. People don't come back from him.
Speaker 1: Before twenty four years old. He's like, no one expected
Speaker 1: me to be here. And Aaron Gordon, I will say
Speaker 1: that I've I've covered him off, you know, pretty don't
Speaker 1: know as well as fifteen years old, my lord, but
Speaker 1: covered him in Orlando and then through this and I
Speaker 1: frankly not just at the finals, but I have not
Speaker 1: seen him happier, oh man, than he has been in Denver.
Speaker 1: He had like a weight lifted off of him, which
Speaker 1: is pretty cool to see. I want to put you
Speaker 1: guys in the company that Nikola Jokic is in right now.
Speaker 1: So players with two MVPs and a finals MVP, Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: Kareem Lebron, Wilt, Magic Bird, Moses Jannis, Steph, Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: and now Jokic. That's the lists, all greats.
Speaker 2: What is that? Fifteen people? I can't count that fast.
Speaker 2: You know, I finished school, but I wasn't pay attention.
Speaker 2: How many is that name? Eleven eleven? So only twelve
Speaker 2: people in the history of the game. That's incredible, man.
Speaker 1: That's pretty insane. So how much better do you think
Speaker 1: he could get? Buggy man? Like, have we seen this?
Speaker 2: Fact?
Speaker 3: Is the fact that this is?
Speaker 4: It's crazy because if you really think about him as
Speaker 4: a person, in his personality, it's like he doesn't even
Speaker 4: really like basketball.
Speaker 3: So you sit here and ask the question, how much
Speaker 3: better could he get?
Speaker 4: Like imagine if he actually liked or loved basketball, that's
Speaker 4: how much better he could get at this game. But
Speaker 4: I mean, the dude is an incredible talent. I mean
Speaker 4: he's shown it on a nightly basis. He's in an
Speaker 4: elite company, and now these conversations do start. I spoke
Speaker 4: on it earlier in the years, like when he came
Speaker 4: to the three MVPs, was he that caliber of a
Speaker 4: player yet? And I felt like things were still up
Speaker 4: in the air. I felt like he still had improved.
Speaker 4: You shut me up. He proved everything literally about four
Speaker 4: to five months later. So he's now an the League company,
Speaker 4: and you know, those conversations start and you.
Speaker 2: You think about it. I mean, as athletes, this is
Speaker 2: when we hit our prime as far as just our body,
Speaker 2: our strength, or you know what I mean, all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So his touch can is going to
Speaker 2: continue to get better, his craftiness is going to continue
Speaker 2: to get better. I mean, he's clutch. I think he
Speaker 2: has a nice and if they can keep this core together,
Speaker 2: this is a nice and everyone don't be a prisoner
Speaker 2: of the moment. But you just look at it, as
Speaker 2: Boogie said, as just basketball. When you look at this team,
Speaker 2: this is a really good basketball team that is kind
Speaker 2: of changing the dymanic naming of the game as we speak.
Speaker 2: So to me, this team has a nice three or
Speaker 2: four year run, you know, an opportunity to win a championship.
Speaker 2: I feel like in the next three or four years
Speaker 2: a couple of them if possible. So it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Well, if you look at the roster, they've got their
Speaker 1: top five guys locked in for the next two seasons
Speaker 1: at least. And I think this is a little bit
Speaker 1: of what was going on with Lebron after that last
Speaker 1: game the Lakers played. I still I'm gonna say it again,
Speaker 1: I do not think Lebron is retiring. But I think
Speaker 1: after you get your ass swept by a team that
Speaker 1: you know is just going to keep being that same
Speaker 1: team for the next couple of years, I think you
Speaker 1: look forward to what is ahead of you on that
Speaker 1: Lakers team and you think, what we clearly I mean,
Speaker 1: they didn't even win a game off of them, right,
Speaker 1: So you think, Okay, well, we clearly don't have enough
Speaker 1: to beat them, and what's going to be different next
Speaker 1: year except the Lakers will have gotten older. So I
Speaker 1: get it what that thought process was in the moment. Now, obviously,
Speaker 1: the summer happens, and moves are going to get made
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, But it's it's I get why.
Speaker 1: It's demoralizing for the rest of the league.
Speaker 2: It's the jokers time. Quit playing. God damn it, it's
Speaker 2: the Joker's time.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think? But do you think that?
Speaker 1: I mean, they're Do you think they're the team to
Speaker 1: be now in the NBA?
Speaker 3: Absolutely are.
Speaker 4: They're the champions As of next season when it starts
Speaker 4: to they will be the defended champions. So they're absolutely
Speaker 4: the team you have to go through. Like I said earlier,
Speaker 4: it's the NBA is gonna have to adjust now because
Speaker 4: over the past five six seventy seasons, let's just say
Speaker 4: the decade that go to States domin, every team has
Speaker 4: built their team to match up with Golden State, and
Speaker 4: most teams are.
Speaker 3: In this in this structure.
Speaker 4: So now teams are going to have to defunct, go
Speaker 4: back to the drawing board, and now have to build
Speaker 4: a plan to match up with this Denverson for the
Speaker 4: next as of right now, two to three years. But
Speaker 4: who knows how it plays out contract wise for these guys.
Speaker 4: Let's say they all get extended, then this is something
Speaker 4: we got to match up with for the next couple
Speaker 4: of seasons.
Speaker 3: So I think it is.
Speaker 4: It's gonna send a shockway through the league obviously, and
Speaker 4: you know, teams now have to start adjusting.
Speaker 2: And I think, as as Rachel mentioned, having your core
Speaker 2: five sign for the next two years, you're not out
Speaker 2: having to make desperate moves in the summer. They're gonna
Speaker 2: get good pieces. They're going to help them. They don't
Speaker 2: have to be crazy number expensive, but they're going to
Speaker 2: get good, solid pieces because they don't have to make
Speaker 2: any desperate moves. Their core is set. So now they're
Speaker 2: strategically picking out like, hey, who are the two or
Speaker 2: three guys we can bring in. I think obviously that
Speaker 2: the obvious sign is to resign Bruce Brown. I think
Speaker 2: he played well. But it'll be interesting because I was
Speaker 2: about to say it's gonna be interesting because I think
Speaker 2: obviously they're going to throw the bag at him. So
Speaker 2: you know, you got to find strategic pieces that can
Speaker 2: kind of come and fit in with our core. And
Speaker 2: you know, I have a lot of confidence they're going
Speaker 2: to be able to do that. So yeah, I definitely
Speaker 2: feel this run is a two or three year, four
Speaker 2: year run. Yokic has a nice four or five year
Speaker 2: run in him, so it's it's going to be his
Speaker 2: time for a minute.
Speaker 1: Well, if mister Cousins is correct, and teams around the
Speaker 1: league are gonna have to restructure a little bit to
Speaker 1: face this, it sounds like someone's gonna have to go
Speaker 1: out and get to Marcus Cousins.
Speaker 2: If they're smart, they might.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that, what did you think of
Speaker 1: your guy Mike Malone?
Speaker 3: Super happy for him.
Speaker 4: I mean, like Matt said, there's so many storylines that
Speaker 4: play into this championship team uh and and Mike Malone
Speaker 4: is just one of the many. Uh It's well documented.
Speaker 4: He's one of my favorite coachs ever played for. He
Speaker 4: came into the game with me as a head coach,
Speaker 4: so we have our history, we have you know, our
Speaker 4: connection or whatever. So just knowing how his story played
Speaker 4: out in Sacramento and you know, being able to move
Speaker 4: on to Denver and find you know, a foundation and
Speaker 4: a home and to be able to be on this
Speaker 4: run from the beginning, the building this championship team.
Speaker 3: It's not a storybookinding.
Speaker 4: So I mean happy for him, well deserved, hell of
Speaker 4: a coach, and this is just he's also building his
Speaker 4: legacy as a coach along with you get building his
Speaker 4: He's you know, on the verge of building his as well.
Speaker 4: You know, I mean well deserved. So the flowers of you,
Speaker 4: Coach Malone.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things was before Game one, both
Speaker 1: Mike Malone and Eric Sposo spoke and they both made
Speaker 1: the point that there are years that other franchises would
Speaker 1: have fired either one of them, right like coach both said,
Speaker 1: He's like I would have been fired four or five
Speaker 1: times in another franchise. This is a patient franchise in
Speaker 1: Denver's the same way with Michael Malone and I interviewed
Speaker 1: Stan Krunky last night and I asked him about it.
Speaker 1: I said, what made you stick with Michael? What made
Speaker 1: you stick with Jamal Murray? When some people would have
Speaker 1: been like, oh man injury prone, or you know, oh
Speaker 1: this acl we got to figure something else out or
Speaker 1: something like that. He's just I just believe if we're
Speaker 1: doing the right thing, we're doing the right thing. And
Speaker 1: you just wish maybe more owners in sports will this
Speaker 1: will rub off on them instead of panicking every five
Speaker 1: seconds when not every team can win a championship. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just think it's a chain reaction with the media
Speaker 2: now that we live in such a what have you
Speaker 2: done for me lately? Society? You know, you look at
Speaker 2: Monty Williams his winning percentage in Phoenix and you fire
Speaker 2: money Williams like what the fuck like? And then he
Speaker 2: goes and breaks the bank for head coaches. So I agree,
Speaker 2: I mean there's something to be had. You look at
Speaker 2: Golden States run, how they kept their pieces together, kept
Speaker 2: their coach together, you know, did and refined until and
Speaker 2: that's why they were able to sustay and have run.
Speaker 2: I just don't know if it's that kind of game anymore,
Speaker 2: unless you build foundationally. You know, you look at Oklahoma City,
Speaker 2: they're building foundationally. It will be interesting to see who
Speaker 2: continues to run them. But you know, there's a handful
Speaker 2: of teams that are doing it the old school way,
Speaker 2: and the old school way is the way you not
Speaker 2: to just sneak in and get won school ways to
Speaker 2: have a sustainable run. It's like Golden State did.
Speaker 1: Yep? All right, Well let's talk about what some other
Speaker 1: teams should do. Right, So I want y'all to play
Speaker 1: GM for me for a minute here. First up, the
Speaker 1: Celtics big choice ahead of them. Do they extend Jalen Brown.
Speaker 1: It's almost three hundred million dollar contract that they're talking about,
Speaker 1: which means they're also in line to extend Jason Tatum
Speaker 1: next summer, also for a nearly three hundred million dollar contract.
Speaker 1: So the Jalen Brown decision, because Tatum seems pretty automatic,
Speaker 1: the Jalen Brown decision is are you going to lock
Speaker 1: up six hundred million dollars over the next five years
Speaker 1: into players? And remember Grant Williams as a free agent
Speaker 1: also sort of the factor there. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what would you do, BUGGI if you're a Boston.
Speaker 3: I'm paying the money.
Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's you have you have
Speaker 4: two all NBA guys locked in together for five six years,
Speaker 4: like it only makes makes sense.
Speaker 3: They're young.
Speaker 4: You can find another Grand Wing so I think Grand
Speaker 4: Williams is the hell of the player. But you can
Speaker 4: find another guy to play a Grand Williams role. You
Speaker 4: keep those two guys together and you build that foundation,
Speaker 4: the same thing you're speaking out speaking about, you know earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 4: start the foundation with these two guys and build it.
Speaker 4: I think they're the correct pieces. So I was gonna
Speaker 4: think you can go on the market and find something better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I'm signing both of them, and we
Speaker 2: just spoke to This is about building and again this
Speaker 2: will be what you're five or six for them together
Speaker 2: coming up.
Speaker 1: They're twenty four and twenty three's right, and they're.
Speaker 2: Still so.
Speaker 3: Babies.
Speaker 2: Hell, yeah, you lock. My question is, and I love
Speaker 2: what Marcus Smart brings for that team, but is he
Speaker 2: the wild card that you dangle after this possibly see
Speaker 2: what you can get to kind of mix up that flow.
Speaker 2: Obviously you have Brogden still, who is a very capable,
Speaker 2: uh you know, starting point guard, and I don't ever
Speaker 2: want to take anything away from a Marcause to me
Speaker 2: and Marcus smartest similar to a Draymond Green in Golden State,
Speaker 2: I really But I feel like Draymond is the one
Speaker 2: that really makes them go, and you know that's why
Speaker 2: he'll I feel like he'll continue on. Marcus mart has
Speaker 2: been a great piece, defensive player of the year. I
Speaker 2: feel like he's their heart and soul. But I think
Speaker 2: that something needs to tweak with that team. If you're
Speaker 2: going to keep Brown and Tatum, which you definitely should,
Speaker 2: and I you know, Marcus mart could be back, but
Speaker 2: I think Marcus Smart is the one player you could
Speaker 2: possibly get some good pieces for to kind of shake
Speaker 2: up and and and bring some new life to that team.
Speaker 2: What is your thoughts?
Speaker 1: He'd have to change the green hair, which would be distressing.
Speaker 2: He needs to cut that shirt off anyway.
Speaker 3: But I love I.
Speaker 1: Mean, he's one of my favorite guys to cover.
Speaker 2: What do they need?
Speaker 1: He's the kind of guy that you want to see
Speaker 1: on your team, right Marcus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I love Marcus Smart. He's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite players. I don't like he flopped sometimes a
Speaker 2: little too much for me, But the dog, the heart,
Speaker 2: the big shots the big nuts. He takes big shots
Speaker 2: and is not afraid to miss him. So I really
Speaker 2: like Marcus Smart. Boot your question, what do they need?
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, I think I like what Robert Williams
Speaker 2: brings to their team. He's the type of center that
Speaker 2: team needs. It's not gonna get a lot of touches.
Speaker 2: He works with what he gets. I'm thinking possibly a
Speaker 2: solid power forward. It would have been interesting to see,
Speaker 2: although older, it would have been interesting to see what
Speaker 2: Gallinari could have differ for their team this year, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Him going down to that ACL,
Speaker 2: I think through a little wrench in the plans, but
Speaker 2: I think a solid power forward who can can shoot,
Speaker 2: run and rebound, you know, so there's not a ton
Speaker 2: of those out there. I like what's his name over
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, nas Reed? Is that his name? He's feel
Speaker 2: like he's one of these players that can go and
Speaker 2: really put a team over the top. But yeah, like
Speaker 2: I said, again, love Marcus Smart everything he's done for
Speaker 2: that team. But I think he's the one piece you
Speaker 2: can still get quality pieces for So I think you
Speaker 2: you know, you put him out there to kind of
Speaker 2: see what you can get.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the Suns. They got
Speaker 1: a question out there, is CP three you going to
Speaker 1: play for that team next year? There's been kind of
Speaker 1: conflicting reporting. It does seem they're working toward maybe moving
Speaker 1: him on. There's the DeAndre news right that he was
Speaker 1: on the block, maybe a little less on the block
Speaker 1: now that Frank Vocal is there. But how are they
Speaker 1: going to get the depth and the defense and the
Speaker 1: pieces they need. I mean, they got to move and
Speaker 1: change something because we saw they just they weren't deep
Speaker 1: enough in the playoffs. They gave up all that stuff
Speaker 1: for Kevin Durant, which by the way, I would do too,
Speaker 1: is Kevin Durant, but this is this is the time.
Speaker 1: You got to make that up. So what do you
Speaker 1: think they should do with Chris and DeAndre?
Speaker 3: Well, it's no question one of them has to go.
Speaker 4: And it's not that any one doesn't bring value to
Speaker 4: that team, because I think they both do. But you
Speaker 4: got to hopen up some money so you can add
Speaker 4: depth to that team and fill in the holes that
Speaker 4: you do.
Speaker 3: You know, yes you do have to fill in, but
Speaker 3: you can't keep both of them.
Speaker 4: Obviously, with Kevin being up in age, it will kind
Speaker 4: of lean you more towards keeping Aiden because he is younger,
Speaker 4: he will be more available than a guy CP's nature,
Speaker 4: So it just kind of only makes sense to lead
Speaker 4: towards eight. But freeing up I think it's all about
Speaker 4: freeing up the money and just trying to fill into depth.
Speaker 4: Those are the clear two answers of which one do
Speaker 4: you go with to make that happen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree. Unfortunately, Chris will be the odd
Speaker 2: man out because of his age. But if you think
Speaker 2: about they have their two superstars. They have Aiden who's
Speaker 2: on the verge of being something. He's got so much
Speaker 2: talent he could be an All Star if he wants,
Speaker 2: or he can just blend in if he wants. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's how much talent Aiden has, right And then outside
Speaker 2: of that, like you said, but if you can free
Speaker 2: up some money, you got to go get pieces that
Speaker 2: fit because you have their two go to guys and
Speaker 2: those are two cod boys right there. So again I
Speaker 2: think CP will be the odd bamp. But then I
Speaker 2: also think, you know, we've been seeing across social media
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot.
Speaker 1: Of takers for one of the rumored takers could be
Speaker 1: the Clippers.
Speaker 2: Clippers, Clippers. I heard Clippers, Warriors, I heard Lakers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you hear a lot of different things. I mean,
Speaker 2: Chris has made a ton of money. I've never count
Speaker 2: nobody's pockets, but he's made a ton of money. So
Speaker 2: I think at this point he would probably strategically fit
Speaker 2: into a place for lesser money obviously, so it'll be interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure coming home could be a priority.
Speaker 2: You know his Yeah, he lives in LA and he's
Speaker 2: been gone the last you know, handful of years, and
Speaker 2: his kids are getting older now, so I'm sure that
Speaker 2: could be a priority. Uh, you know, you hear Golden State,
Speaker 2: you know what that could be like. So if he
Speaker 2: doesn't end up in Phoenix, which I don't think it
Speaker 2: will happen, I think he's going to end up somewhere
Speaker 2: he's still happy with.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he goes back to the Clippers.
Speaker 1: Maybe you've got to go back to the Clippers.
Speaker 2: No, I'm too old for that. But I'll definitely be
Speaker 2: there chair back here, Yeah, I definitely there. The band
Speaker 2: back together.
Speaker 3: The Sons. Six guys under contract right now.
Speaker 1: All I need to sign as well. Yeah. Producer Nate
Speaker 1: Letting us know that Sons have six guys under contract,
Speaker 1: so that is a thin roster. They need to need
Speaker 1: to do something. So let's get to the Lakers, right.
Speaker 1: You've got Austin Reeves, Rijachimura. You could sign technically both
Speaker 1: resigned both of them, but then you really can't do
Speaker 1: anything else, or you can keep one of them. There's
Speaker 1: still rumors that they're going after Kyrie Irving. What would
Speaker 1: you do that?
Speaker 2: M tough. I would love to see the Kyrie and
Speaker 2: Lebron reunion, but I just don't know. We were just
Speaker 2: talking about Phoenix. That would be such a top heavy
Speaker 2: team with older stars in Lebron, and you know, I
Speaker 2: just don't know if that's the move you make that
Speaker 2: youth the injection of youth in February is what got
Speaker 2: this team over the hump.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Obviously Lebron and a d being healthy and being available
Speaker 2: was key, but the injection of youth is what really
Speaker 2: you know, probably say some jobs over there in that
Speaker 2: Laker office, you know. So it's yeah, it's you know,
Speaker 2: I'm here. You know you're hearing people are gonna throw
Speaker 2: the bag at Austin Reeves, and I think that's dope.
Speaker 2: Hachimore was super, super solid. I still think has a
Speaker 2: lot of potential. You know, these what is the fourth
Speaker 2: or fifth year, He's still really young player in this league.
Speaker 2: So both guys were great. If you sign both those guys,
Speaker 2: and are you gonna be able to fill out the
Speaker 2: an adequate roster with Vetman's you know, I don't really
Speaker 2: know numbers and ship like that, but you definitely I
Speaker 2: would try to keep both. Who knows if they are
Speaker 2: going to be able to afford to keep both, but
Speaker 2: they need youth, plain and simple.
Speaker 3: I agree. I don't really know what angle they should
Speaker 3: take either.
Speaker 2: Ria. It's like confusing. Do you go all league You're
Speaker 2: gonna be super top heavy, You're gonna build and give
Speaker 2: them some help.
Speaker 1: Again, they just got spanked by Denver, so that's sort
Speaker 1: of the standard you got to hold yourself to. What
Speaker 1: what team could you build that would compete with Denver
Speaker 1: in the West?
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, if you if you decide to keep ruining,
Speaker 4: you would feel like they would be going up to Kyrie.
Speaker 4: And if they decided to keep off, and that would
Speaker 4: kind of could Kyrie out right?
Speaker 1: Uh, Angel Russell's the odd man out if they go
Speaker 1: after happening anyway.
Speaker 4: Well, we know, obviously, we know they're gonna have to
Speaker 4: put some size next to a d uh to match
Speaker 4: up with Denver. Man I could say this, I would
Speaker 4: hate to be the GM and the Lakers right now.
Speaker 3: Man, I don't know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Obviously, Lebron's gonna want to, you know, finish out his
Speaker 4: time then compete for a championship, so you have to
Speaker 4: kind of by his wishes as well.
Speaker 3: It's tough, right, yeah, they the Lakers are in a
Speaker 3: very tough situation. Let's just.
Speaker 1: Here's the other wild card with the Kyrie factor is Kyrie,
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis and now Lebron who used to be an
Speaker 1: iron man. But you know, we all get older. None
Speaker 1: of those guys has played more than sixty five games
Speaker 1: last season. So you're getting into a situation if those
Speaker 1: are your top three guys and they all have an
Speaker 1: injury history at this point, who's gonna be on the
Speaker 1: court from right tonight? What are you getting?
Speaker 2: I'm getting nas read I said it earlier for Boston.
Speaker 2: He's a free agent. He just told me he's a
Speaker 2: free agent. What if you let Ruy slide, which you know,
Speaker 2: good luck, go get your money sign Austin signed nas Red.
Speaker 2: He's a monster. Versatil could play the four and the five,
Speaker 2: has a nice handle, could stretch the floor. He's a dog,
Speaker 2: and then fill around with what else you could fill
Speaker 2: around with.
Speaker 1: Well, it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 2: Seriously, Like to me, he's my favorite, and I just
Speaker 2: I didn't know he's a free agent. He's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite and he doesn't even have to be a superstar.
Speaker 2: I just know his motor, how he plays. He's a dog.
Speaker 2: He's gonna make any team a lot better. So I
Speaker 2: would risk I would, And to be honest, this is
Speaker 2: not a knock on Kyrie. I just think for the Lakers,
Speaker 2: I would take a nas Read first to go out there,
Speaker 2: and there really a lot of fire. Bobby portis type,
Speaker 2: you know, guys that can really just kind of bring
Speaker 2: that grit, but also give you numbers because it's important
Speaker 2: they get numbers too. They can't just have dogs that
Speaker 2: are just dogs. You need something to give you numbers too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think you know, like you said, but
Speaker 2: it's not going to be an easy job for whoever's
Speaker 2: making those decisions over there this year this summer, and.
Speaker 1: Kyrie is going to get offered a lot of money
Speaker 1: by Dallas, so we'll have to see how that factors
Speaker 1: into it too. By the way, if he's looking for
Speaker 1: not looking for a new agent.
Speaker 2: Man, right here, bro, you already know what it is.
Speaker 1: We know who gotcha Blazers. Big question marks up in Portland.
Speaker 1: Right So, Damian Lillard, you know, kind of hinting he
Speaker 1: might be open to a trade already, Like talking on
Speaker 1: another Showtime program about his possible favorite trade destinations, He's like, well,
Speaker 1: I could go to Miami, but that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I don't know this for sure.
Speaker 1: My opinion is that he will not go ask for
Speaker 1: a trade. I don't think that that's really the way
Speaker 1: his relationship with Portland and the Blazers are set up.
Speaker 1: But I do think he's sort of making it known
Speaker 1: if that's what they want to do, he's not going
Speaker 1: to fight them on it. And then the question is
Speaker 1: if they did that, they'd obviously be going toward a
Speaker 1: youth movement or they've got the number three pick, which
Speaker 1: is not on Dame's timeline. So do you keep Dame
Speaker 1: and do you trade the number three pick for to
Speaker 1: finally get this man more help?
Speaker 2: I said this a while ago, and they have to
Speaker 2: love Dame enough to let him go, to trade him
Speaker 2: out of respect for everything he's done. I just think
Speaker 2: it's time. He's been tremendous. But tell me that there's
Speaker 2: one player in the league that can make Portland a
Speaker 2: championship team, especially going through the West. Is there one
Speaker 2: player that that third pick can get you? I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily think so, So I think it's time to let Dame,
Speaker 2: you know, spread his wings. And the fact that Dame
Speaker 2: has never talked about the shit, and if he has
Speaker 2: talked about it, he's always talked about being loyal to
Speaker 2: the soil, still is loyal to the soil. But the
Speaker 2: fact that he's even entertaining other ideas. I think that's
Speaker 2: all the signs of Portland need to, like, respectfully, like,
Speaker 2: you've been amazing. We're gonna hang your jersey up here.
Speaker 2: You're one of our all time Portland Trailblazers. But we
Speaker 2: want you, we want you to finish your your your
Speaker 2: your the rest of your years in another spot that can.
Speaker 1: Possibly, yes, But let me let me ask mister DeMarcus Cousins,
Speaker 1: is it your experience the teams do generous wonderful things.
Speaker 1: What's best for the player at their own expense, because
Speaker 1: I do not see any NBA franchise but what they But.
Speaker 2: Can they trade for him?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: They could make a trade, like make trades.
Speaker 1: Right, But who are you getting?
Speaker 2: You're getting quick A youth movement, a youth movement, and
Speaker 2: it to me, I mean, obviously a Sacramento organization is
Speaker 2: a lot different now. But you can't compare Portland to Sacramento,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean as far.
Speaker 1: Just saying Sacramento. But you play for a bunch of teams, Matt,
Speaker 1: You played for a bunch of teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was never a superstar though, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Did you see the team putting the player's best interest
Speaker 1: above their own team building for the next five years?
Speaker 1: They trade Damian Lillard, they got to answer to all
Speaker 1: those Blazers fans.
Speaker 2: What about you can't get picks and and all? Like
Speaker 2: I said, like the it's TAM's run out there.
Speaker 4: I don't think obviously that's not a common thing in
Speaker 4: the NBA, where you know, they look out for the
Speaker 4: interests of the player. But just knowing the issue between
Speaker 4: Dame and poor Linn and their long last relationship I
Speaker 4: do think they'll, you know, kind of grant his way,
Speaker 4: and I hope you'll in Miami knowing they have Hero,
Speaker 4: knowing they have three first round picks, I think I
Speaker 4: think they'll be happy with that. You get a hero,
Speaker 4: you draft a guy like Schoove Henderson or you know,
Speaker 4: it's a lot of talent in his draft. You got
Speaker 4: a foundation moving forward, you got a hero, you got school,
Speaker 4: or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3: I think I think you got something moving forward.
Speaker 1: I always ask, though, when you're trading a guy like
Speaker 1: Dame for picks, it is because you hope one of
Speaker 1: those picks will turn into eventually maybe a Damian Lillard.
Speaker 2: You have Dave Lillard, right, but you know you can't
Speaker 2: do nothing with him though.
Speaker 1: The other thing that's complicated about Dame is he makes
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of motherfucking money, so.
Speaker 1: Good Trading him is also a little bit of a
Speaker 1: complicated dance because that team has to be able to
Speaker 1: absorb his salary and for him to actually be in
Speaker 1: a better situation as opposed to not just be like
Speaker 1: again the loan superstar somewhere where we've seen that's not
Speaker 1: quite enough he's got to have a co star who
Speaker 1: will be making a lot of money. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's copkn It's deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's deep. I hope it works out.
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, no for sure, and by the way, where
Speaker 1: it works out with him on the Blazer still, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just you want him to find some success either way. Sixers,
Speaker 1: James Harden, how hard you working to keep him? Buggy?
Speaker 3: I think you have to because what other option do
Speaker 3: you have?
Speaker 4: Because if you lose James, then I think you have
Speaker 4: to start thinking about blowing things up because going to
Speaker 4: what's going to replace that production? What's on a match
Speaker 4: up with MB's timeline, the other core pieces been around it, Like,
Speaker 4: I think, I think you have to. If not, it's
Speaker 4: gonna be troubling, Uh.
Speaker 3: Paradise.
Speaker 2: So yeah, what's What's so? Harden is a is a
Speaker 2: restrict unrestricted free agent?
Speaker 1: Does he have a player options? He's just out He's
Speaker 1: gonna But.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think you go hard on him,
Speaker 2: but you also got to think, boogie is it is
Speaker 2: it not time to cut Tyrese Maxi free and really
Speaker 2: allow him to not not let him go, but allow
Speaker 2: him to like really be the guy. I mean, he
Speaker 2: proved he can do it in the playoffs, He's done
Speaker 2: it in the regular season. He's young. I think he's
Speaker 2: next in line obviously. You know, James is a twenty
Speaker 2: and ten guy now and shows you at times he
Speaker 2: can do more. But do you break the bank for him?
Speaker 2: Is the question? How many years do you give him
Speaker 2: as is another question. H I've never heard it come
Speaker 2: out of James's mouth, but everyone's saying there's possibilities in
Speaker 2: Phoenix or Houston. So where is his heart at? You know,
Speaker 2: he went to college in Arizona, and you know Houston
Speaker 2: is He's nice on and off the court out there,
Speaker 2: so it'll be interesting to see. You know, like I said,
Speaker 2: the the the years and the amount of money, I'm.
Speaker 1: Just gonna let all of that pass and move on
Speaker 1: to the next team. Miami Heat. We're just talking about them.
Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry is said to make twenty nine million dollars
Speaker 1: next year, Dunke Robinson eighteen million. So you can keep them,
Speaker 1: you can trade them. I have to think they're gonna
Speaker 1: try to move Duncan.
Speaker 2: Can you move Kyle? As great as Kyle Lowry was,
Speaker 2: he's just in a with all due respect. He'll be
Speaker 2: thirty eight next year making that kind of money.
Speaker 4: Can it at.
Speaker 2: Once Dame leaves to mentor the younger guys.
Speaker 3: He'll be a grave veteran for the.
Speaker 1: You can't play golf in Oregon year round the way
Speaker 1: you can in Miami. I don't know how Kyle's going.
Speaker 2: To take bad money. He could build some indoor shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, knowing he'll figure it out. He'll figure out I think.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously, Duncan Robinson one of the premier shooters
Speaker 2: and he just needs time and opportunity. That the amount
Speaker 2: he's making. I'm never going to talk about no one's money.
Speaker 2: But he did a good job. You know, he went
Speaker 2: in there with no mask on and and got that
Speaker 2: money from them, you know, so that's great, But I
Speaker 2: would you know, I'm sure there's a ton of teams
Speaker 2: that would they would take him. I mean again, he's
Speaker 2: one of the best shooters in the game, and he
Speaker 2: just needed time. You saw he went, he didn't play
Speaker 2: pretty much at all during the regular season. Then when
Speaker 2: he was called upon in the playoffs, he stepped up
Speaker 2: and did what he was supposed to do. But he's
Speaker 2: not someone that's going to be a twenty to twenty
Speaker 2: two point a game score based off the money you
Speaker 2: give him. But he can definitely be a guy that
Speaker 2: can change momentum, you know, twelve to fifteen points if
Speaker 2: he has the right opportunities.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean there's people who are mentioning Kyrie's name
Speaker 1: with that team this.
Speaker 2: Morning, Miami. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, those might be Kyrie's agents. I don't know. You
Speaker 1: mentioned the Warriors the Draymond question, right, So Draymond has
Speaker 1: a player option, and when I talked to him after
Speaker 1: the Warrior's season it ended, he said, He's like, we
Speaker 1: haven't talked about it at all. He's like I At
Speaker 1: one point, he said, a month or two ago he
Speaker 1: tried to have a conversation with Rich Paul, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you think we should do? What should we do?
Speaker 1: And Rich was like, I refuse to speak to you
Speaker 1: about this while you're still playing. We got plenty of
Speaker 1: times talk about it. Once the season is over. I
Speaker 1: don't get I'm not getting into it. So he's like,
Speaker 1: I promise you, I haven't any decisions because my own
Speaker 1: agent won't even talk to me about it. But he's
Speaker 1: got to decide does he pick up the player option,
Speaker 1: does he opt out and try to do a new
Speaker 1: deal with the Warriors. Does he put himself out on
Speaker 1: the market. You're very close to him, and yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know anything, just like no one
Speaker 2: else knows anything. But if I'm just thinking Draymond, I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously you think there was some attractive things outside of
Speaker 2: the Warriors that sounded cool, you know, Lakers playing with
Speaker 2: Lebron or them going to Dallas. There's there's some stuff
Speaker 2: that sounds cool. But I just think for his legacy,
Speaker 2: what he's been able to do, what he's meant for
Speaker 2: that organization, how close he and Steph are, how another
Speaker 2: year probably under their bell will hopefully mend the relationship,
Speaker 2: because you're hearing that the Golden State's not actively looking
Speaker 2: to move pool. Hopefully they can mend that relationship over
Speaker 2: the summer. I think dra opts out and takes less
Speaker 2: money for more years, So I think he'll do a
Speaker 2: three year for I don't know what the number, maybe
Speaker 2: sixty millions, you know, seventy million for three years something
Speaker 2: like that. So obviously they'll be less money per year,
Speaker 2: but stretch those years out and just see what you
Speaker 2: have with this. You know, these three core guys until
Speaker 2: it's time just to say Okay, it's it's over.
Speaker 4: I agree with Matn you you got to find a
Speaker 4: way to let these guys right off on the I said,
Speaker 4: they've been the foundation for this organization.
Speaker 3: They literally made it.
Speaker 4: Took this organization from being about worth four hundred million
Speaker 4: to about seven billion dollars.
Speaker 3: The core guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just that right along. You should figure out a
Speaker 4: way to let these guys ride on. They should not
Speaker 4: have to uplift their families, They should not have to
Speaker 4: address to a new organization. They shouldn't have to find
Speaker 4: a city that's fitting for them. Lets you be able
Speaker 4: to ride off in the sunset in the Golden State
Speaker 4: uniform until they decide to ain't get their sneakers. That's
Speaker 4: how much value they brought to this franchise.
Speaker 1: It's a great part.
Speaker 4: A year by year contract still doesn't match up to
Speaker 4: what they turned this entire franchise into it. So it's
Speaker 4: literally a global brand because of these guys.
Speaker 3: So you have to.
Speaker 4: Figure out Kobe, right, Absolutely, you have to figure it out.
Speaker 2: You have to, and I mean I think book, I
Speaker 2: mean we talked about it earlier. I mean not saying
Speaker 2: that their way of the game is leaving, but it's
Speaker 2: it's also changable. I think they changed the trajectory of
Speaker 2: basketball as basketball has been played the last ten ten years,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So you can never put
Speaker 2: a dollar amount on that for any of those three plays.
Speaker 2: So they've been able to put a good dollar mount
Speaker 2: on Steph, but as far as right, and it's still
Speaker 2: not worth Like like you said, they went from a
Speaker 2: three four hundred million dollar team to six billion, seven billions,
Speaker 2: so you can never pay them what they're worth. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I definitely agree, they got to They got to keep
Speaker 2: these cores until I think it would be dope if
Speaker 2: they just all three retired at the same time or
Speaker 2: close to the same time. Like, hey man, it's been cool,
Speaker 2: like another three years, four years, mid thirties, We're going
Speaker 2: to live the rest of our lives. We've got the
Speaker 2: whole Silicon Valley and investments like this fuck around and
Speaker 2: run to run the business world. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Steph told me he wants to play
Speaker 1: as long as his dad did at least, which was
Speaker 1: into like I think thirty eight or something, so well.
Speaker 2: He's Steph's like thirty thirty five isn't.
Speaker 1: He is he thirty five the other movie, they yeah,
Speaker 1: right there, there you go, you got it, boom boom
Speaker 1: with that Clay extensions on the horizon too, So they
Speaker 1: do have questions. I thought Bob Myers leaving might influence
Speaker 1: the Draymond thing a little bit because he was Dre's
Speaker 1: biggest champion. But I saw I was at the final
Speaker 1: press conference for the Warrior when they got knocked out
Speaker 1: of the playoffs, Steph made a point of lobbying for
Speaker 1: Draymond continuing on the team, and you saw that Clay
Speaker 1: made a point of saying it. So I think they.
Speaker 1: I think management, even if Bob's not in that chair,
Speaker 1: management knows it's not just a decision about Draymond or
Speaker 1: his deal, it's about your other two guys and how
Speaker 1: they're going to react.
Speaker 2: And I think that was maybe Bob's last act maybe
Speaker 2: you know, obviously it's not publicized, but that, you know,
Speaker 2: let's just make sure we take care of Draymond and
Speaker 2: obviously Clay's extension coming up. And then you know, it's
Speaker 2: been a good run because it has been well.
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Speaker 1: after that at plus eight fifty, Lakers at plus twelve hundred,
Speaker 1: Warriors at plus twelve hundred, six Ers at plus thirteen hundred,
Speaker 1: MAVs at plus thirteen hundred, which is a stunning bout
Speaker 1: of optimism.
Speaker 2: That's how you really feel.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but they didn't make the playoffs. I don't
Speaker 1: think we're talking about them for a title next year
Speaker 1: unless they make some big changes. Look, who knows who
Speaker 1: they bring in. I'm a preserving judgment obviously, and I
Speaker 1: think that team has potential. But let's not put them
Speaker 1: in a title conversation as constructed at the moment. Do
Speaker 1: you think the Celtics are the biggest sort of threat
Speaker 1: to the Nuggets next year or do you think I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think the Suns are a little bit
Speaker 1: of a dark horse, depending on who they get this summer.
Speaker 3: I think I agree with you.
Speaker 4: The Signs are a dark horse because just along with
Speaker 4: their two man guys, you put pretty much anything around it,
Speaker 4: they're gonna be contenders.
Speaker 3: So obviously they're a dark horse.
Speaker 4: But I mean with Boston and them being a title contented,
Speaker 4: it all falls on what they decided to do with
Speaker 4: Jaylen Brown.
Speaker 3: If the odd guard, that's.
Speaker 4: Kind of leaning towards Jayalen Brown being themselves with uniform
Speaker 4: next year. So if that's the case, with the team constructed,
Speaker 4: I think they got a chance.
Speaker 2: I think, uh yeah, I mean I liked well, I
Speaker 2: think everyone liked Boss in this entire year. I think
Speaker 2: we underestimated how good ema U Doka was.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: This is the one thing I'll say is obviously, and
Speaker 2: it's so players got to play, and there were times
Speaker 2: where Tatum struggled, Brown struggled. They struggled together. They're both great.
Speaker 2: They're both great separately. Joe Mizzoula, it was a learning
Speaker 2: year for him because I feel like, and I say
Speaker 2: with all the respect, I think it's going to be
Speaker 2: a good young coach. He was getting taken to school
Speaker 2: a lot of the playoffs with his decision making and
Speaker 2: inability to adjust on the fly and all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. So I think, you know, obviously they thought, man,
Speaker 2: this team is so good, we're gonna risk email and
Speaker 2: let him go and we can just hire him and
Speaker 2: it's gonna and and and it didn't work like that.
Speaker 2: So talent wise, I think they got a lot of talent.
Speaker 2: I would love to see if they can, you know, again,
Speaker 2: if if Marcus Smart happens to be the guy that
Speaker 2: they may sacrifice to shake things up. No, like I said,
Speaker 2: I like Marcus Smart, but I think something needs to
Speaker 2: be shook up. And again, a ton of teams would
Speaker 2: take Marcus Smart, but if he's the one guy that
Speaker 2: can possibly shake that roster up and bring some some
Speaker 2: fresh blood in there. But yeah, I still like Boston
Speaker 2: even if Marcus Smart returns. But I just think, you know,
Speaker 2: Jonazula needs to you know, get studying this summer because
Speaker 2: I think, again, great potential coach. But he definitely we
Speaker 2: saw his hand a lot in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I've said this before. I was in Florida
Speaker 1: when Eric Spolscher was first starting as a head coach,
Speaker 1: and he may.
Speaker 2: Mistay everyone's going to everyone's going to.
Speaker 1: Now we consider him one of the best tacticians in
Speaker 1: the game. So you know, I think I think you
Speaker 1: got to give Joe Mizzoula that room. What about Milwaukee, DeMarcus,
Speaker 1: what do you where do you put them in?
Speaker 3: This man?
Speaker 4: For some reason, Milwaukee just kind of became a forgotten team.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously you have you know, Janni's and building
Speaker 4: around that the foundation, but I think this year coming
Speaker 4: up will be a decision for Gianni's with.
Speaker 3: What he wants to do with his future.
Speaker 4: And obviously don't know the timeline and timeline and his uh,
Speaker 4: his deal, but.
Speaker 3: I definitely think if they're.
Speaker 4: Not a team contending or you know, in the finals
Speaker 4: this year, this becomes you know, where's my next destiny?
Speaker 2: Imagine him leaving Holy Ship.
Speaker 1: Well that's why, that's why you never know who's going
Speaker 1: to become available in the summer. Like, okay, so here
Speaker 1: are the free agents that we know of this summer. Right,
Speaker 1: You've got James Harden, Kyrie Porzinga, US Chris Middleton. While
Speaker 1: we're talking to Miami, He's got a player option, Dre
Speaker 1: Mom we just talked about has a player option, right,
Speaker 1: Brook Lopez, Who do you think is the most attractive
Speaker 1: guy if he were in the market for free agent?
Speaker 1: Who would you want to go get of that group?
Speaker 1: Are you getting a cut? He's getting a cut?
Speaker 4: This promo is phrase, But nah, I think obviously the
Speaker 4: only when I look at that list, it's only one
Speaker 4: guy that that's literally a game changer. And I'm gonna
Speaker 4: say that's Kyrie r A and and I think Chris
Speaker 4: Middleton is a great piece to any championship team. But
Speaker 4: the biggest game changer on our list is Kyrie IRV.
Speaker 4: So I'm picking him as you know, the biggest free
Speaker 4: agent of it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely especially I don't know, like I said, we've never
Speaker 2: we never wont insinuator or trying to figure out what
Speaker 2: he's thinking. But I just think like he hears the
Speaker 2: noise and he wants to and he showed it times
Speaker 2: last year, like don't forget who I am as a player.
Speaker 2: You know, I may march to my own drum off
Speaker 2: the court, but I'm one of the baddest dudes ever
Speaker 2: to you know, put the ball in his hand, So
Speaker 2: I think he it just looks like that's on his mind.
Speaker 2: You see him out working with kids a lot more
Speaker 2: in the summer. That's something he probably got from Cobe.
Speaker 2: Cobe was doing that, so you see him pouring in
Speaker 2: and spending a lot of time. So I think, you know,
Speaker 2: the Kyrie that everyone loved, that the amazing, incredible basketball player.
Speaker 2: I think hopefully it looks like that is kind of
Speaker 2: coming back to one of the top priorities. And if
Speaker 2: that's the case, like like Buogie said, he is a
Speaker 2: franchise changer.
Speaker 1: Although I do think for him Nico Harrison being there
Speaker 1: and Jason Kidd, who I mean, Kyrie Irving went to
Speaker 1: Jason Kidds Hall of Fame induction on his own because
Speaker 1: he was just such a big Jason Kidd fan and
Speaker 1: wanted to go pay some respects and show some love.
Speaker 1: Like that shows the relationship there and the respect that
Speaker 1: he has for j Kid. So to me, Kyrie, when
Speaker 1: he has these moments where some of his off the
Speaker 1: court stuff threatens to eclipse the on the court stuff,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a better front office coaching duo
Speaker 1: for him than the two people who he can really trust,
Speaker 1: who know him and know how to sort of talk
Speaker 1: to him in a way that they understand each other.
Speaker 1: I just it's gonna be interesting to see if he
Speaker 1: stays there.
Speaker 2: Does Dallas have any wiggle room too, if they do
Speaker 2: give him what he wants or what he's looking for
Speaker 2: to move or get anybody.
Speaker 1: It's really tough. I mean, they're in a tough spot.
Speaker 1: They may they have backed themselves into some difficult positions
Speaker 1: with the brunts and decision, the trade that they made
Speaker 1: for Kyrie, what they gave up like, it's been a
Speaker 1: tough It's a tough roster there.
Speaker 2: To tell them if they end up signing Kyrie, just
Speaker 2: to call me about Nas. I'll see if we can
Speaker 2: get him over.
Speaker 1: There, right the agency over here. Do but come back
Speaker 1: from Puerto Rico soon. Please. I know you've got a
Speaker 1: championship to win out there. I know y'all are marching
Speaker 1: through getting ready for getting ready for some serious playoff action,
Speaker 1: but please come home soon. We miss you absolutely.
Speaker 3: I planned on it.
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