WEBVTT - I Feel a Presence with Matt Fraser

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, So we are going on the wind Down Tour.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael and I are so excited. We can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>get out there and just talk about life and love

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<v Speaker 1>and laugh, maybe have a few good cries in there.

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<v Speaker 2>You never know with wine Down, and we're gonna bring

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people from from the seats, from the audience

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<v Speaker 2>up on stage. We're gonna come out with some microphones.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna get you all involved. It's very interactive, a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of fun and honestly, some nights we don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know what's about to go down.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the coolest thing about the wind Down Tour

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<v Speaker 1>is that you know, you guys can ask us questions

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<v Speaker 1>and you really kind of guide, you guide the night

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<v Speaker 1>for us. And so we are going to San Antonio,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to Austin, We're going to Dallas, We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to Houston and then Los Angeles and Sacramento. So you

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<v Speaker 1>guys get your tickets. Go to janakramer dot com slash

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<v Speaker 1>tour to get your wind Down tickets. So excited to

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<v Speaker 1>see you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on out, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Wind Down with Janet Kramer and Michael Coffin and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>her radio podcast Gang's all here.

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<v Speaker 2>Just another Monday.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>You here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I back at it. No, because we've

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<v Speaker 1>got Easton and Mark too.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>How does it feel like to have like the whole gang?

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<v Speaker 1>Because last time it was just you and me isolated,

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<v Speaker 1>isolated in our emotions.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh. No one wanted a part of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's like, nah, you're good.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys got it.

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<v Speaker 5>Even if we've been here last week we hung out

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<v Speaker 5>of that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was like, come on, somebody throwss the lifeline.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell no. But I mean it's good just to hear

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<v Speaker 2>y'all's voices and to be back with everybody and just

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<v Speaker 2>get back into our zone.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike, you've kind of learned what you said that you

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<v Speaker 1>caught yourself the other day with the kids where it's

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<v Speaker 1>Joelie is just kind of like doing things I think

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<v Speaker 1>to just get a reaction. Even Jason right now too.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's what does she do in you were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you caught yourself to not be like critical.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, last night I was upstairs with the kids and

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<v Speaker 2>we were playing like before bathtime and everything in the playroom,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had Jason my lap and Jolie was playing

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<v Speaker 2>with this little toy like ukulele and stepped on this

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<v Speaker 2>like a platform plush thing that we have for Jase

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<v Speaker 2>to crawl on, and she stepped on the edge of it,

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<v Speaker 2>so it flipped up. She fell forward, and like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>usually when kids do that, it's not so much that

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<v Speaker 2>they got hurt, but it more scares them and they

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<v Speaker 2>still cry. So she got scared. She kind of hurt

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<v Speaker 2>her hand a little bit and started crying. And my immediate,

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<v Speaker 2>like the first thought that came to mind of what

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to say was why would you do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I literally wanted to say that to our four

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<v Speaker 2>year old daughter, and I had to I had to

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<v Speaker 2>catch myself and be like, no, it's not what I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say, and I calmed down. I was like, okay, hey, Joeli,

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<v Speaker 2>are you okay? I'm sorry that happened. Hey, you know

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<v Speaker 2>that happened because you stepped in the edge. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do that again, just try to step

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<v Speaker 2>more in the middle then it won't fall on you.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was just that was my natural reaction to

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<v Speaker 2>think the other way.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was like, wow, what a cool teaching moment,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think I remember my mom and we've brought

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<v Speaker 1>this up a few times too. She yelled at me

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<v Speaker 1>and said something like why would you do that? I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, mom, I don't know. Why won't you

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<v Speaker 1>like why don't you teach me? Show me how to

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<v Speaker 1>do it right? And it's like I've remembered that so

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<v Speaker 1>much now as a parent because I'm like, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>easy to Joulie, why would Jase? Why would why would

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<v Speaker 1>you do that? Like can't you see that it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>fall or that you're gonna hurt yourself for this or

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<v Speaker 1>that or other where it's like, hey, don't do this

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<v Speaker 1>because this can happen. Like I think, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it's the we expect them to.

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<v Speaker 2>Know that, and I think too a lot of us

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<v Speaker 2>receive that. I think every kid has received that at

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<v Speaker 2>some point in time from their parents of why would

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<v Speaker 2>you do that? Use your head? You know how many

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<v Speaker 2>times have kids heard that, like why would you use

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<v Speaker 2>your head? Just use your head?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're getting triggered right now, but I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>really was something for you though, Yeah, where it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, you know, it was just I would feel stupid

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<v Speaker 2>and then like shamed and feel like, oh, yeah, why

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<v Speaker 2>would I do that? I don't know right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's at least you said you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I think just like being conscious of it, Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be times we're gonna be like what are you thinking?

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<v Speaker 1>But then it's like kind of been like ah, sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, and more so now than when they're like sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like what are you thinking?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but isn't that one like you really want your

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<v Speaker 1>parents to be not your friend. I get the not

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<v Speaker 1>having your friend, but also not doing kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>happened with I'm like trying to like with the you

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<v Speaker 1>know where it's like they you yes, they might have

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<v Speaker 1>really screwed up, but they've come to you and they

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<v Speaker 1>told you the truth. So instead of saying what were

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<v Speaker 1>you thinking, it's like, hey, thanks for coming to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Or if so they got caught. Let's say one of

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<v Speaker 1>the kids got caught with like, I would be very

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<v Speaker 1>upset with the whole vaping stuff. I'd be so upset

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<v Speaker 1>if I caught one of the kids vaping, especially with

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<v Speaker 1>all the I mean, who knows what's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>vaping at their age, but like let's just say right now,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're older and they were vaping, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>be like my first thought would be like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you thinking? Like you could die and they don't know, Like, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>rather you have a cigarette of.

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<v Speaker 2>All of you know, And that's our that's our feelings

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<v Speaker 2>behind it, that's our reaction, right, But.

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<v Speaker 1>I would rather be like, Okay, why did you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do this? Is? Are there kids that wanted?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you feel cool doing it? Instead of saying why would.

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<v Speaker 2>You do this? No, for sure, I'm just saying it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna I honestly think when the kids are older, it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be more difficult to have that pause like I had

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<v Speaker 2>last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't you have wanted that from your father?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? I thought I would want it. Every every kid

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<v Speaker 2>would want that from their parents and I and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>practicing it now. Is going to be beneficial for the

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<v Speaker 2>when the kids are older, because that's really when they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be developing these skills to learn from and

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<v Speaker 2>bring into their you know, young adulthood.

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<v Speaker 1>What did our couples therapists say the other night where

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<v Speaker 1>their cortex something in the brain shuts off at at

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<v Speaker 1>like ten and then doesn't come back online till twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>So from like ten to twenty three, there's acting like crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, but that's that's basically what they said. They're

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<v Speaker 1>like you just there is no reasoning really right, because

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<v Speaker 1>they're not really acting from there. It was that they're

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<v Speaker 1>something some part of the brain.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't remember exactly. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to say it.

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<v Speaker 5>And how you how your kids, how you react to

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<v Speaker 5>your kids hurting themselves is an interesting conversation because I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know the right answer because I think moms tend

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<v Speaker 5>to rush to their child's aid, like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 5>your poor thing. Are you're okay, where dads tend to

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<v Speaker 5>be more You're fine, get up, shake it off. And

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what the right answer is because I

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<v Speaker 5>feel like both can have both can backfire. When you

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<v Speaker 5>rush in, oh my gosh, you okay, suddenly they know

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<v Speaker 5>that all they have to do is kind of scrape

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<v Speaker 5>my knee and I can get this kind of love

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<v Speaker 5>and attention, and or they'll even think it's a bigger

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<v Speaker 5>deal than it is, especially when the young If your

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<v Speaker 5>parent has a big reaction, you're like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm really hurt. What But the other element of it,

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<v Speaker 5>get up, shake it off. I feel like there was

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<v Speaker 5>a message there like you just scraped your knee, you're fine,

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<v Speaker 5>get up and keep moving. And I tend to be

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<v Speaker 5>more of the get up and keep moving kind of

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<v Speaker 5>a guy. But I'm not sure that's the right way

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<v Speaker 5>to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Devil's Advocate does that then, maybe not teach them how

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<v Speaker 1>to have empathy?

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<v Speaker 2>Possibly, Well, it's a way to suppress your emotions. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a way to like kind of train you to suppress

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<v Speaker 2>certain emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>And but I totally would do the same, like come on,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to hear fine.

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<v Speaker 2>You're fine, up and not to I mean, I have

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<v Speaker 2>very few wins I feel like in life sometimes, So

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<v Speaker 2>to go off of my win last night with the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say, with the topic that we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was kind of the best of both

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<v Speaker 2>worlds because Okay, I didn't say, Julie, you're fine, like stop,

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<v Speaker 2>you're fine, get up, you're good. And I also didn't

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<v Speaker 2>rush over to her. I sat where I was and

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to her kindly and softly and said, what

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what happened? Do you come here? And she

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<v Speaker 2>came to me, and I hugged her and kissed her

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<v Speaker 2>and then explained it to her. So it was. I

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<v Speaker 2>liked it. I would like to think that it's that

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of a way to meet in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>where she didn't get this overbearing reaction of oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>but she also didn't get, you know, the dismiss the

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<v Speaker 2>dismissed feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>What if we call it pause parenting, paused parenting, paused

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<v Speaker 1>parenting where you take a pause.

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<v Speaker 2>Easier said than done. And then I know, like there's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be some days where when Jason's older, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be like, dude, stop being a.

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<v Speaker 1>Dick, but stop because that's not that's not what you

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<v Speaker 1>would have wanted from your dad.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I'm saying when it's an important moment, no,

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<v Speaker 2>But there's gonna be times where.

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<v Speaker 1>He might do something brushing her teeth an important moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. What I received is a lot more than hey

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<v Speaker 2>and playfully stop being a dick.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I'm just trying to play devils with you here

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<v Speaker 1>because I just want you to be cautious, because you

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want the same pattern repeating no.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, trust me, I'll be very conscientious of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking on the topic of the children, though I don't

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<v Speaker 2>look at comments really often, but with being back on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast. I'm looking at comments just on the podcast app.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh don't look.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's the worst, the worst. I think if either

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<v Speaker 2>one of us look at it will end up fighting

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<v Speaker 2>each other. But I did, I did. I did see

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<v Speaker 2>a few, and I've seen these before that I can't

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<v Speaker 2>not address and I have to defend you me. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>because a few people commented about how you talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Jolie and like shaming you and how you are and

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<v Speaker 2>playing playing favoritism and all this bullshit, and it got

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<v Speaker 2>me irate. I was like, only if y'all could see

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<v Speaker 2>how is to our kids on a daily basis, y'all

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have to say no. Seriously, it gets me roughed

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<v Speaker 2>up because that's unbelievable. They don't see what behind what

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<v Speaker 2>goes on behind closed doors. And this is our podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We can speak our opinions, we can vent, we can

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<v Speaker 2>talk about our kids annoying us and being little head

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes because they are. Anyone who has kids understands that

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<v Speaker 2>you want to be able to call them that sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>because they are. And yeah, right now, Jace, it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>for him to do any wrong because he's one years

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<v Speaker 2>old and he's the most adorable little boy in the

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<v Speaker 2>world and Jolia is four going on fourteen and she

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<v Speaker 2>acts like it, So I mean, it's inevitable we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>feel that way at times. But this just because we

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<v Speaker 2>vent or Gina vents about that or talks about it

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<v Speaker 2>and jokes about it, doesn't mean that she plays favoritism.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't mean that she speaks that way to Jolie. She's

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<v Speaker 2>the best mom I know and would do anything for

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<v Speaker 2>both kids and loves them equally. So it just pissed hery.

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<v Speaker 2>It pissed me off when I started seeing that stuff

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<v Speaker 2>because I was like, that's one area that no one

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<v Speaker 2>has a right to comment about because they don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, So thanks, babe, I appreciate that. My soapbox, Ma, well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it. You know, people are just gonna That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I said something there on my Instagram because someone

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<v Speaker 1>was basically called me. You know. So when we've had

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation our last podcast, everyone there was a like

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<v Speaker 1>ninety percent was super positive. And then I made the

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<v Speaker 1>mistake of reading comments on a on a other website

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<v Speaker 1>and those were all obviously terrible, but one of the

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<v Speaker 1>girls on my Instagram left like a really like nasty DM,

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<v Speaker 1>and was just like, you know, you're basically an idiot

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<v Speaker 1>for staying and like that's not showing your kid's strength.

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<v Speaker 1>And because of your daughter and how you treat her

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<v Speaker 1>like a baby, she's going to be like basically messed

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<v Speaker 1>up until she's fourteen or and jas won't talk until

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<v Speaker 1>he's fourteen, and then kind of like mocking Jolly's speech delay,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. And I was like, look, you can go

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<v Speaker 1>after me and my love life all day long. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. I've got thick skin, but you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>my kids and making fun of Jolie and making fun

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<v Speaker 1>of how like I'm a parent, or criticizing how I parent,

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<v Speaker 1>or that Jase isn't gonna talk till he's fourteen because

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<v Speaker 1>you know I treat him like a baby. Like it,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like f you. Basically I ended up

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<v Speaker 1>putting it on my story, but then I took it

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<v Speaker 1>down because I was like, you know what, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to put the negative out there because I know

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<v Speaker 1>there's enough positive. But I did say something where I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I I just don't want to say people

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<v Speaker 1>that well, I just don't understand people who can say

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<v Speaker 1>mean things about other people's kids, Like I can sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>like that. You know, there's the kid at the playground

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, hey, I'm gonna don't hurt my kids

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<v Speaker 1>or be nice.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh, yeah, you have no problem going up to

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<v Speaker 2>a little kid, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I know, but I would never like be mean

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<v Speaker 1>or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you've been mean, You've always been respectful.

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<v Speaker 1>But so I just don't get people that say mean

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<v Speaker 1>comments online. It's just really bothered me.

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<v Speaker 5>I get that that's rough, that is really rough, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's scary that that's you know, well you should read

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<v Speaker 5>those and blah blah blah. And people just love being

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<v Speaker 5>anonymous on the internet. But it's scary that people have

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<v Speaker 5>that in them, that they have those thoughts.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, And I get.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had my friend Brandon, who's so sweet, Brandon Leslie,

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<v Speaker 1>they're a married friend of ours, and you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>sent me message he's like, look, he's like, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in this world, He's like, you're not going to have

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent approval, right, you just aren't. And that

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat kills me because I want people to like me,

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<v Speaker 1>but them at the same time, what I want, what

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<v Speaker 1>I want, honestly is I want people to disagree with me,

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<v Speaker 1>but still respect me. That's what I want. I disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of my friends. I disagree with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of you know, I disagree with my friend's political background,

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<v Speaker 1>but I still love her. I'm not going to be disrespectful.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I usually ask is you can disagree with me,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't be disrespectful and that.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's just the whole theme of society where that's

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<v Speaker 2>why politics, religion, all those things are such you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hot time topics or you know, hot buttons for people

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<v Speaker 2>at over the holidays or at big gatherings or family

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<v Speaker 2>reunions or whatever, because people just tend to get disrespectful

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<v Speaker 2>and heeded about their opinions or going against someone else's

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<v Speaker 2>opinions when it comes to those kind of things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's just, I mean, it's just the way it is.

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<v Speaker 2>We have our guests here. I'm super excited. We'll introduce

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<v Speaker 2>them in a minute, but first let's take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I am real excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Who isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to do the intro?

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<v Speaker 2>Janea's nervous of saying the name incorrectly.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to I don't want to mess up

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<v Speaker 1>Alexa's name because she's beautiful and she deserves the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>entrance ever.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone, welcome to our studio. Mister Matt Fraser and

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<v Speaker 2>Alexa Pepagotis, Yes, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I got it.

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<v Speaker 4>He almost got it.

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<v Speaker 2>What I messed up? Matt Peas, I said, go didn't? I?

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<v Speaker 4>You put the goat in it?

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<v Speaker 6>Very difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>So on e meet the Frasers Monday, ten ninth Central.

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<v Speaker 1>How much fun are you guys having doing this together?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, it has been a blast, literally a blast.

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<v Speaker 6>I know it's not often. I mean, you guys know,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not often that you get to work with the

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<v Speaker 6>person you're in love with and with, so to do

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<v Speaker 6>it all the time. Plus our families is like a

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<v Speaker 6>dream come true.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's that's the hard part work with the film. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean our family tends. Some people think us is hard.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, by dead people. I'm not. I'm haunted by the living.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm haunted by my family members.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Who is it? What inspired you guys to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of combine and do this show together?

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<v Speaker 4>So, you know, to be honest with you, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>even know. One day, great question.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that I got to recall one day

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<v Speaker 3>from MGM YEP in Los Angeles, and they learned about

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<v Speaker 3>our relationship with one another, and they learned about, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>my life as a psychic medium, and they were like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this would be an incredible TV show to

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<v Speaker 3>you know, see all parts of it, just not you

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<v Speaker 3>as a medium, but also you with your girlfriend, and

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<v Speaker 3>you were with your families, and you know how you

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<v Speaker 3>interact with one another. So next thing, you know, meet

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<v Speaker 3>the Phrasius was born.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it's very different. I don't think there's a psychic

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<v Speaker 6>pageant Italian like show.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you got a lot of places to go here.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just a producer's dream I can imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Well no, that's what I love about it though, too,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not just I mean, it's not just about

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<v Speaker 1>about you. It's it's about the family, it's about the relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about it, it's all of that. So you're able

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<v Speaker 1>to not just see the readings, but to see everything

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<v Speaker 1>that goes on in y'all's life as well. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a cool new approach. Well, how did they

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<v Speaker 1>how did they find you? What were you doing to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of put that out in the universe? Were you

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<v Speaker 1>telling the dead people to talk to E like, were

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<v Speaker 1>you well, I going to remember.

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<v Speaker 3>That before before the TV show, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 3>out touring, so I had sold out events across the country.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a two year waiting list for private readings

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<v Speaker 3>before the TV show came about, so, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>Alexa was Miss Rhode Island teen, USA twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah she was, Yes, she was, Yes, she was.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, I was doing my thing, she was

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<v Speaker 4>doing her things.

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<v Speaker 3>So, you know, I never really feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I've gotten many calls over the years of different production

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<v Speaker 3>companies wanting to do a TV show with me. And

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<v Speaker 3>in the beginning, you know, I've gotten calls like to

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<v Speaker 3>do shows like about finding you know, missing and murdered children,

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<v Speaker 3>and that just wasn't that to me was like too sad.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted me to you know, to go into haunted

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<v Speaker 3>houses and you know talk to you know, spirits and

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<v Speaker 3>haunted houses, and I didn't want to do that. I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to do something that was going to help people,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, showcase what I did on a daily basis,

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<v Speaker 3>but also have my family involved as well. So when

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<v Speaker 3>I got a call and they said, listen, we just

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<v Speaker 3>we don't want to we don't want to script anything.

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<v Speaker 3>We just want to, you know, have you be you

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<v Speaker 3>and do a show just about you and your life.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in, I was signed up, and I was

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<v Speaker 3>ready to go.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. So before we talk more about the show,

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<v Speaker 2>what's y'all story? Like, how did you guys meet? How

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<v Speaker 2>long y'all been together and all that fun the stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this a real story, that's a fake story.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, so I'll just give you that.

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<v Speaker 4>I have the real one, honey, now, honey, yes, I do.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, she'll tell you that. All right, Fine, go ahead, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just have my turn. So that's okay.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, well, according to you, you were scrolling on Instagram

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<v Speaker 6>one night at eleven pm, true with the cats land bed,

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<v Speaker 6>and I guess I posted a picture or selfie of

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<v Speaker 6>some sort and you were like, ooh, ooh.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know what I was. How do you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I was was? Are you a psychic?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just guessing.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, okay, you're like ooh.

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<v Speaker 6>And then you followed me, even though you don't think

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<v Speaker 6>you did. I don't know how you messed that up.

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<v Speaker 6>The lives start to come in and you followed me.

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<v Speaker 2>The screens are sensitive Okay, Matt just accidentally hit it. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't purposeful. I got your back, man, I got in

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<v Speaker 2>right that.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 6>It's one of those things. Don't like it, don't like

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<v Speaker 6>it to scroll, don't exactly, but you liked it, and you,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, messaged me and basically you said, congratulations on

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<v Speaker 6>you know, your title and what you're doing, doing great things.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait, wait, it gets better, it gets better. Tell the line.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell the line.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yes, he loves this line. I didn't know I was.

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<v Speaker 4>Being shut up? Are you kidding me right now? You're

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<v Speaker 4>laughing at my life.

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<v Speaker 6>I just didn't know I was being followed by an

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<v Speaker 6>Instagram star. Let me buy you a cup of coffee?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Signal delivered.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like that. That call to action was on point,

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<v Speaker 4>like it got you to that coffee shop.

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<v Speaker 6>So I was. I did, but I was a half

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<v Speaker 6>hour late. And now let me.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell my side, because I says, I'm trying my hardest

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<v Speaker 3>to contain myself and I really can't, like I want

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<v Speaker 3>to just bust with this my You know what.

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<v Speaker 6>My favorite part is when you talk about when I

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<v Speaker 6>walked into the coffee shop. Let's do that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, because you don't want to bet that back. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's the thing, Jana, Okay, here's what here's here's

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<v Speaker 3>what happened. Okay, So she says, she says to me,

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<v Speaker 3>I never followed you. You know you followed me. Blah

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<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah blah blah blah. She was definitely a

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<v Speaker 3>follower beforehand.

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<v Speaker 6>That's number one to know who you were.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, that is the biggest lie.

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<v Speaker 2>This is literally like episode one of Me the Frasiers,

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<v Speaker 2>and I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, listen, this is this is what happened. I'm like

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<v Speaker 3>so upset right now. I'm getting all hot and bob

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<v Speaker 3>and my nipple, my nipples a sweat. And it's because

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<v Speaker 3>here's what happened. So she how could you not know

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<v Speaker 3>somebody who's verified, who has a blue check mark on

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<v Speaker 3>the instruct.

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<v Speaker 1>Pause, pause, pause, I'm going to defend my girl just

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<v Speaker 1>for a second. Michael and I met on Twitter. He

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<v Speaker 1>had a blue check mark. I had no idea who

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<v Speaker 1>he was. He followed me a lie.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't accept it, Mike, I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Accept So I had no I didn't know who he was. Yes,

0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.040
<v Speaker 1>he had a blue check mark, which is why I

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<v Speaker 1>then looked at the message because I'm like, okay, right,

0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:36.760
<v Speaker 1>so I'm gonna now look, but I didn't know he was.

0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I saw that he was all.

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<v Speaker 2>About a blue check mark. Because of that, I have

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<v Speaker 2>my wife. If I didn't have that, this would not

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<v Speaker 2>be happening.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just saying, I'm with my girl here that

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<v Speaker 1>she maybe didn't know who you were.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, because you know what, I'm young, so he's a

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<v Speaker 6>psychic medium. I'm young.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like your age demography is a little bit older,

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<v Speaker 6>only because those people are old, you know what I mean, Like,

0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.320
<v Speaker 6>but you know, like they've lost people, they've lost, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>so I'm a little bit younger. I think you didn't

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<v Speaker 6>lose anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>You didn't read the headline that said world's renowned psychic medium.

0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:09.040
<v Speaker 3>You didn't you tell me you didn't see that.

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<v Speaker 6>I did not know what psychic was. And you know

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<v Speaker 6>that because I asked you really dumb questions at the

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<v Speaker 6>coffee shop.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, you just pretending to be dumb.

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<v Speaker 6>No, this is I don't pretend I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting out of this conversation. Is that if you have

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<v Speaker 3>a blue check mark, basically that is like that, that

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<v Speaker 3>is like real life. That is like that is like

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<v Speaker 3>the we need like one on that, like for plenty

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<v Speaker 3>of fish, Like we need like a blue check mark

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<v Speaker 3>on plenty of fish.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they have that's they have the ray of

0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.040
<v Speaker 1>dating app now because everyone's basically a blue check mark

0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and RAYA or Raya or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>That yaa, that's amazing.

0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.399
<v Speaker 1>It's like a dating app for celebrities and people that

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much only have a blue check mark.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh God, bless Yeah, how long is this?

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<v Speaker 6>We need that?

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<v Speaker 2>But how long ago is this? How long has this

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<v Speaker 2>been going on?

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<v Speaker 6>Three and a half years?

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<v Speaker 1>Where's the ring?

0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.160
<v Speaker 6>Oh? Thank you?

0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:57.120
<v Speaker 5>Question?

0:21:59.000 --> 0:21:59.960
<v Speaker 4>Why am I only show right?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see?

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<v Speaker 4>I feel a bus running over God?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, it's not only me mark, because Jerry Springer real quick,

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<v Speaker 6>well answer the question. You were just asked the question

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<v Speaker 6>that you didn't answer.

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<v Speaker 4>So I bought her a promise ring that she's got on.

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<v Speaker 1>A promise ring? Are we in high school?

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<v Speaker 4>You know? When did this become the roast of me?

0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:26.320
<v Speaker 4>When did this become the most of me?

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<v Speaker 1>Like we're not talking Cubic Zirconian baby like promise ring.

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<v Speaker 4>We all got those back in the day. I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like I got one, like I feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're back in school and like the kids make

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<v Speaker 3>fun of you and then like they they like, that's

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<v Speaker 3>probably never happened to Mike because you know he's you know,

0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:41.200
<v Speaker 3>he was very athletic.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know when they when they when they when

0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:44.919
<v Speaker 3>they form like the circle around you and it's not

0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:47.240
<v Speaker 3>like the answering you. Yeah, yeah, that's me right now

0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.800
<v Speaker 3>over the Okay, Oh, I'm so happy because maybe it

0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:50.159
<v Speaker 3>takes that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, well can I can?

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<v Speaker 5>I can?

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<v Speaker 1>I ask? Like, so what is it? Because you know,

0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:57.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously our our podcast we talk about relationships and kind

0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:00.480
<v Speaker 1>of our struggles. What's what's the biggest struggle in y'alls reallylationship?

0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:04.159
<v Speaker 1>And maybe you know why you know, what are not?

0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:06.040
<v Speaker 1>What are you waiting for? Because a lot of like

0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:08.800
<v Speaker 1>my girlfriend just is about to get married after six

0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:12.080
<v Speaker 1>years of waiting for the ring, but it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is there something in your marriage that are you scared?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you nervous? Or what is it like? And also

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<v Speaker 1>what's the biggest kind of riff?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I can, I can tell you that.

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<v Speaker 3>So the thing is is that Alexim and I have

0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:26.440
<v Speaker 3>an age different, so we're seven years apart, which.

0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:28.840
<v Speaker 6>I I'm twenty one, he's twenty eight, which I love.

0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:29.960
<v Speaker 4>Also six years a pot.

0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:33.120
<v Speaker 3>Sorry I failed math, but anyway, six year has a pot.

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<v Speaker 3>I But you know, the thing is is that she

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<v Speaker 3>also I don't want her to have to look back

0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:40.560
<v Speaker 3>and say like I regret it anything like. I want

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 3>her to also have, you know, the freedom of being

0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:45.959
<v Speaker 3>able to do the Miss Rhode Island USA pageant.

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<v Speaker 4>I want her to be right, you can't.

0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:49.399
<v Speaker 6>Be married, you can't be engaged, like you can't do

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:50.400
<v Speaker 6>any of that because.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to take away her dreams and her goals,

0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, I want her to have that. I want

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:56.719
<v Speaker 3>her to be able to have it all because you know,

0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:58.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm older, I'm not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>I love her.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, I want her to be

0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:02.920
<v Speaker 3>able to have that to do the competition this year.

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:05.159
<v Speaker 3>I want her to be able to, you know, end

0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.760
<v Speaker 3>that chapter of her life and then be able to

0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 3>move forward with you know, getting engaged and whatnot the

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 3>way it should be, because I don't think that you

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 3>should have to choose. I don't think that you should

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 3>have to say, well, you know what, I'm going to

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:16.639
<v Speaker 3>get engaged by I can't do this goal or I

0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:17.440
<v Speaker 3>can't do this dream.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I want her to be able to have

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<v Speaker 4>it all.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you've been very respectful of that. And he does

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:22.959
<v Speaker 6>tell me sung too.

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<v Speaker 1>But I hate when people that are young they're like,

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't mean that, you know, I can't get married.

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:30.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, no, not at all. It's just but

0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you are still so young, so it's you know, there

0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.360
<v Speaker 1>is no true rush right now. It's not like you're

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.480
<v Speaker 1>in your thirties and your ovaries are you know, no.

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.800
<v Speaker 6>Write that biological clock. And my mom reminds me of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when I met Mike, I was like I was

0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:44.199
<v Speaker 1>thirty and I was like, you don't get it. Like

0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:46.080
<v Speaker 1>he's like, yeah, we can wait like five years. I

0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.199
<v Speaker 1>was like, you basically just put a death sentence on

0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 1>my ovarreas she's like, a are getting married?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got it. I love it.

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<v Speaker 6>No, but it's true. And we are a little bit different.

0:24:57.760 --> 0:24:57.919
<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't drink, we don't club, we don't go out,

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 6>we don't you know, do stuff like that. And I

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 6>like want to be a mother so badly. I want

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 6>to be a wife so badly, and I always have

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:10.719
<v Speaker 6>have wanted that you know at a young age. I've

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 6>always been a little bit more mature for my age.

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.000
<v Speaker 6>You know, all my friends were kind of smoking, drinking,

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:18.120
<v Speaker 6>you know, out and about. I was like at home

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:20.639
<v Speaker 6>doing homework, like washing the dishes or like whatever. And

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 6>I still love that now. So I do think it's

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:24.960
<v Speaker 6>the age. But you tell me all the time. Listen,

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 6>if you were I don't know, twenty two, twenty three, whatever,

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.600
<v Speaker 6>and when we first met, you would have like had

0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:33.719
<v Speaker 6>a ring on my face. We knew as soon as

0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 6>we saw each other.

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 1>But I love that you're respecting to you know, her

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 1>journey and the things that you know that she wants to.

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's amazing and makes a good partner

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 1>out of you. But I know some We've had a

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 1>few mediums and psychics on the show, and my husband

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 1>here is probably one of the biggest skeptics out there

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 1>because he's what is it?

0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:58.920
<v Speaker 4>Why do we get thrown on the bus over here?

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:00.040
<v Speaker 4>It's always it's always.

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Us, amen against the world. Right now, I'm like, I don't.

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing. I think this is why because I've

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.720
<v Speaker 1>had experience with mediums and psychics where I really truly

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 1>believed it and I felt it, but I don't think

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:14.840
<v Speaker 1>he's had that experience before. I don't feel like he's

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.360
<v Speaker 1>had that. Ah wow, this is really.

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh wait a minute, Wait a minute, because I have

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 3>a soul coming through that passed the tragedy with you, Mike.

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 3>When I'm connecting and did you lose something in the

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:26.960
<v Speaker 3>car accident or the car crash here in the physical.

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 2>I can neither confirm nor deny.

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes you can, Michael.

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 4>He's stepping forward.

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:37.440
<v Speaker 3>He was a brother here in the physical world when

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm connecting with him. Say that again, he was like

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:42.280
<v Speaker 3>a brother here in the physical world when I'm connecting

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 3>with him, because he's telling me, like, I wasn't supposed

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.479
<v Speaker 3>to die like this. And he tells me when I'm

0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 3>speaking to him that there was also bad decisions that

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 3>were made before he got in the vehicle that day,

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 3>because he's acknowledging that. So that was a friend of yours.

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 3>So no, that he's stepping forward because when I'm connecting

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 3>with him, he says to me, you know, can you

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:02.120
<v Speaker 3>just let him know that I'm okay. And it's funny

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:04.160
<v Speaker 3>because when I'm speaking to him on the other side,

0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:05.639
<v Speaker 3>like he thinks this is so cool that he can

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 3>speak to a medium right now when I'm connecting with him.

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 3>But he was a party animal here in the physical world.

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 3>When I'm connecting with him, like, he shows me that

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 3>he was like always out and about. He actually got

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 3>in trouble with the police. He's telling me where was

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 3>the police issues with him?

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know about those if he had any.

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's both because when I'm connecting with him, he's

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 3>showing me like that there was always issues with his car,

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 3>Like I feel like that he either got a duy

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 3>or like there was issues like that, because he's acknowledging

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 3>that to me. And it was so unfortunate about the

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 3>way that he passed because he says to me when

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm connecting with him, like, I don't he talks about

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 3>not supposed to be driving, So I don't know if

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 3>they took turns driving or if somebody else like took

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 3>the wheel. But he's acknowledging that to me when I'm

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 3>speaking to him.

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Right now, say the story, Michael, come on, how could

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 1>you not like, hello.

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 4>That's you.

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>And sand that give the guy with the credit.

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:01.440
<v Speaker 4>That's I'm on. I don't care because me the credit

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 4>or not listen, I hear and see them.

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 3>You know, they're they're always around me no matter where

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 3>I go, and he's just with you. And it's so

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 3>crazy because you know, this is what I mean when

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 3>I do this, Like I don't have to ask any

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 3>questions because I already know because he's here chirping in

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.159
<v Speaker 3>my ear when I'm connecting. You know, I'm always hearing them,

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm always sensing them, and you know, when I'm connecting

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 3>with him, he's also telling me about all the things

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 3>that we've done a memory of him, because he even

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:23.440
<v Speaker 3>tells me there were shirts that were made or shirts

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 3>that we've done a memory of him here in the

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 3>physical world when I'm connecting with him, and he just

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 3>wants to thank everybody for that. So no, it's his

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 3>way of just bringing that up. And he also says

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 3>to me, because you talk about he's it's so funny.

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 3>He telling me about like a brotherhood tattoo. So was

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 3>everyone was supposed to get a tattoo a memory of him, not.

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 2>That I know of, maybe maybe some other some other

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 2>friends of his, but I wasn't included in that. But

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 2>uh no, I mean this as much as I as

0:28:53.080 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 2>reluctant as in situations like this, I will say, you know,

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 2>I had a friend that I grew up with who

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 2>was like a brother to me, that died in a

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 2>car accident a month before his eighteenth birthday. He was

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 2>in the passenger seat and the kid who was driving lived.

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 2>My buddy did not. And uh, I used to go

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>to his grave every time I was home from college break.

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Anytime I was back home, I'd always go see him.

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 2>For years, I did that until I moved.

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Every Well, he says that everybody did because wh I'm

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 3>connected with him. You're telling me this, and he's showing

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 3>me beer bottles at his grave. People used to go

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 3>and drink with him at his grave or like leave

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 3>beer bottles at the grave.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the other people he was close with as

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 2>we got older were I could definitely see them being

0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 2>the ones that did that for sure. Yeah, so cute.

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 2>That's damn okay. I'll give you that. I'll give you that.

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And people, our listeners have heard me shut down most

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 2>other people we've had on the show with the gift

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 2>like yours. So I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 3>Though, Listen, I get shut down every day no matter

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 3>where I go. I deal with the hardest skeptics. I mean,

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 3>I didn't get a TV show by being wrong. Let

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 3>me tell you, I have to you know, that's why

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't ask. I'm different than other mediums there.

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 3>You know, there are people out there that don't have

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 3>the gift of that don't have the ability. But I

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 3>don't have to ask questions because they just tell me,

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 3>so I'll know different details, are things like that that

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 3>happened with their passing. When I was connecting with your friend,

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, there was even a question over who was

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 3>driving that night and if he should have drove, and

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 3>he was telling me all of these different things the

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 3>moment I was connecting with him. But also, you know,

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 3>he's stepping forward not because of the fact that he's

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 3>with me, it's because he's with you to let you

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 3>know that he's appreciating the ways that you still think

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 3>about him, the ways that you went to with his grave,

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, the things that you did with him here

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 3>in the physical world, and you know he's bringing that through.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow. Oh and did you also, wait a minute, did

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 4>you also just lose a dog?

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 2>No, well, Jane, did.

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 3>There's a dog that's coming through to me and your

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 3>grandmother's here, Janna, So your grandmother?

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 4>So your grandmother departed?

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>No, mine, I've both grandma's right.

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Then, this is this a woman that's stepping forward. It's

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 3>like a grandmother student that's stepping forward.

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>I have a great grandma.

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Were you close with her though, Yeah, it had to

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 3>be somebody that you were close to.

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>She we were close for I mean yeah, we were close.

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>She passed like when I was like thirteen, No, ten, twelve,

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 1>hold on.

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 4>Wait a minute, I want to make sure. I want

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 4>to make sure there there's.

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people in the room.

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 4>Wait a minute. I felt Wait a minute, hold on.

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if I felt.

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 3>No, it's definitely with you because I saw I saw

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 3>this dog that's here with That's what this woman. I'm

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 3>just wondering if it was a grandmother or if it

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 3>was an aunt to you?

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh, wrong side a dog? Hm hm, oh your aunt

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and the dog is still there.

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 2>If a dog's so alive, well, I mean.

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, I can mess up.

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 4>No, I only talked to dead people. It's definitely.

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Jane gets a little bit of the string, its just

0:31:59.040 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 2>starts pulling it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, she was just excited.

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 6>I'm the same way. I'm the same I'm like, ah, yes, okay.

0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 2>So I was going to ask you, Alexa, when you

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 2>guys first met, were you already a believer in this

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of gift or were you skeptical at all?

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 6>I was a believer. I am into all of that stuff.

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, tell about that first date, Tell them what happened,

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 3>because I have to, like, Mike needs to know this.

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 4>Means anybody needs to know. It's Mike needs to know this.

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 4>It's so important.

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<v Speaker 6>So fortunately I've only lost my grammy knock on wood.

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 6>You know, we don't want any of that. So but

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 6>I was very close to her, and she passed when

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 6>I was younger, and in my family we have like

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 6>this little pouch of like her prayer beads and little

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 6>crosses and things, and whenever someone in our family needs it,

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 6>we take it. So we kind of pass it around.

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 6>And at the time that I met Matt, it was

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 6>actually in my wallet and I kept it hidden away,

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 6>like you know, in my way, in my purse. And

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 6>I actually put my purse like totally on the other table.

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 6>So we sat down, and of course, now I know,

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 6>like how annoying listened to you, But I was like

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 6>who do you see behind me? And I wasn't expecting anything.

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 6>And he was like, oh, he's like you have your

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:14.239
<v Speaker 6>grammy that passed. She's literally right here with you. And

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 6>I was like what and he's like yeah, he's like

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 6>where's her preabes? Like what don't you guys like have

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 6>something that you all pass around and blah blah blah.

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 6>And I was like, oh my god, and I have anxiety.

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 6>So I started like seeing black the cold sweats from

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 6>like my head to my toes.

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 4>Like jar, oh god, okay, so she had to untant.

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 6>I like went and I'm like holy like he's so

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:40.760
<v Speaker 6>on point. Oh my god, Oh my god.

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you ran out. I did it, ran out,

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 3>And I didn't think she was gonna run back in.

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I was like an Ash's I had

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 3>my head in the sand. I didn't know what the

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 3>hell to do.

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 1>I was.

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 6>So I was like, oh my god, like I'm literally

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 6>going to pass out in front of my date right now.

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 3>But the good news this is that see I I

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:55.479
<v Speaker 3>used to be the I used to be the e

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 3>m T see. So if she would have if she

0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 3>would have she would have passed out, I would have.

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 6>Revived her if she died, were to talk to her, yeah,

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 6>I said, every day.

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 4>But it's true. I would have you know, if you

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 4>was a cute thing.

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:10.359
<v Speaker 5>It's a cute thing.

0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 4>It's not a cute thing. It's the truth.

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:14.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you passed out, I'd revive if you died,

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 3>I would talk to you because I'm a medium and

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 3>I can do that.

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<v Speaker 6>I was shocked on that day three and a half

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 6>years ago, and still to this day.

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:21.840
<v Speaker 1>You shocked me.

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 6>Every single day. You floor me. I cry over the readings.

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.359
<v Speaker 6>I get chills over the readings. His new book came out,

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:28.879
<v Speaker 6>and read the book, I'm like crying.

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 3>The book When Heaven Calls Life Lessons from America's top

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:32.920
<v Speaker 3>psychic medium.

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, well everyone Amazon right now When Heaven Calls.

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.240
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you can pre order on Amazon and Barnes and Noble.

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<v Speaker 1>When was the first experience that you had like that

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 1>you knew that you had this gift?

0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:49.760
<v Speaker 3>So it's so crazy because my grandmother was a medium

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 3>who passed it on to my mom and then in

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 3>turn passed it on to maybe. You gotta remember that

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 3>back in the day, you know, nobody talked about this.

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 3>My grandmother didn't do this professionally. My mom didn't do

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 3>this professionally. It was something that was kept close to home,

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.279
<v Speaker 3>just for close friends and family members. And it was

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:06.920
<v Speaker 3>so secret that not even my grandmother told my grandfather

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:08.720
<v Speaker 3>that she could do that, shed even tell her own husband,

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 3>so you know, it was kept a very secret, you know,

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 3>just for close friends and family. And then when I

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 3>was growing up, I too was seeing and hearing the departed.

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.520
<v Speaker 3>It started with me seeing my grandmother that had passed

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 3>the psychic one. She passed when I was three, and

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 3>when she first died, I was still seeing and experiencing her.

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 3>I never realized that she actually died. But then after that,

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 3>other souls came in trying to talk to me. And

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 3>it was so crazy because you know, growing up and

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 3>seeing and hearing the departed, it wasn't comforting to me.

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:36.800
<v Speaker 4>I was scared.

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.399
<v Speaker 3>I was literally like living that movie the sixth Sense,

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 3>Like I remember like pulling the covers over my head,

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 3>pulling you know, the pillows up to my ears. I

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 3>didn't want to hear, see or experience them. And that

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 3>so I spent most of my life running from this.

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 3>And I never wanted to be a psychic. I never

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 3>wanted to be a medium. And that's what people don't

0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 3>understand is that, you know, I started my career as

0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 3>an EMT. I had a wonderful career working at the

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 3>World Trade Center and boss, and you know, I was

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 3>going to be I wanted to be a paramedic and

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 3>then physician's assistant. And then I went to see a

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 3>medium for the first time, and it changed my life

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 3>because you know, I wanted to at that moment. I

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 3>wanted to see what it was that I kept running

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 3>away from, and seeing a medium for the first time

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 3>showed me it wasn't something that I had to be

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 3>afraid of. It was something that could help use and

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 3>teach others that there's so much more to life than

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:23.240
<v Speaker 3>what's here in the physical world.

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 4>So I started to be open about this.

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 3>I started to you know, read for close friends and

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:29.799
<v Speaker 3>family members like my grandmother did back in the day.

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 4>And then I don't know what happened.

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 3>All of a sudden, word traveled quickly about the one

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 3>who could speak to the dead, And here I am

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 3>with you.

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Are you able to turn it off? Though?

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:38.359
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 4>Never, No, you say that like it's a bad thing.

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 6>It's not a bad thing. It's not a bad thing.

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 6>But I feel bad for you.

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes I feel bad for myself because there's no customer

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:49.280
<v Speaker 3>service hours.

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:51.759
<v Speaker 4>I have no customer service hours in heaven. Like they

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:52.799
<v Speaker 4>just call up any time.

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 6>Yeah they do.

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.360
<v Speaker 2>All right, So let me hear one thing before we

0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 2>let you guys go. Well, it's like your elevator pitch

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:00.719
<v Speaker 2>to get people to watch the show. And what can

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:03.720
<v Speaker 2>they get? What can they expect an elevator pitch?

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:05.440
<v Speaker 6>Oh my oh, what's an elevator?

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Basically eleven second? If you had eleven seconds to pitch

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 2>somebody your company and your brand or your business or

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 2>your show, what would you say?

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 3>All right, So I'm a psychic medium, might have a

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.919
<v Speaker 3>pageant queen girlfriend Alexa, Papa Jonas. We have two loud,

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.759
<v Speaker 3>crazy Italian families. We live in Cranston, Rhode Island without

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 3>three Bengal cats. And if you think the dead is scary,

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:24.240
<v Speaker 3>just meet my family.

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:30.399
<v Speaker 1>I love it. Everybody watch Ninth Central on e Love

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>you guys so much, Thank you so much for coming

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:33.359
<v Speaker 1>on the show. We really appreciate it.

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you again. Check out Meet the Frasers every

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Monday ONNY. I mean, if there shows anything like the interview,

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:50.080
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be entertaining.

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 1>She's so sweet. I really like her, She's cute.

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:56.359
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really she was twenty one, definitely, I saw

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 2>in the rundown that she was.

0:37:57.719 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I did not see that.

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.879
<v Speaker 2>She did not ask or present herself as a twenty

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.359
<v Speaker 2>one Nothing against twenty one year olds, but us being

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 2>significantly older than that. Yeah, it's it was very surprising.

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Agreed she Yeah, she just really holds herself.

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that kind of shocked me.

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 5>So Mike, does this change your opinion at all?

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:22.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm dude, come on, you at has to that one.

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 1>No one's brought that up.

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 2>No, they have, and that's something that nobody would know.

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>So I give him credit where credits due. You know,

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:36.479
<v Speaker 2>something still felt fish like fishing when he's like, yeah,

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:43.320
<v Speaker 2>fishing for like the alcohol piece or you know, partying.

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 2>But the biggest things for me was, yeah he was,

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 2>but I'm saying that he made some bad decisions that

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 2>they like, I felt like he was trying to figure

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 2>out if it or like he had a dui. He

0:38:57.280 --> 0:39:02.279
<v Speaker 2>never had a dui as far as I knew, But

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 2>so something seemed like fishing. But still there were enough

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 2>things where that really interest me, especially when it came

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 2>down to you know, he wasn't sure if he should

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>be driving or not driving, the fact that he was

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:17.760
<v Speaker 2>the passenger. So there are some things that definitely uh.

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Like how would he know that? That's such a random

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 1>and it's not like a gram or Grandpa passing. I mean,

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:25.320
<v Speaker 1>that's that was a friend of yours that died in

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.319
<v Speaker 1>a car accident. That's to this day, you've talked to

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.799
<v Speaker 1>me about it, no one else. Well, you know that

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 1>at least on the podcast, that it's affected you and

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 1>you still think of him. You can't even listen to

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 1>a song.

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>That's true. There's a song I still cannot listen to

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:42.440
<v Speaker 2>to this day because that was like our jam.

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 1>But he knows that you're thinking of That's so sweet.

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:48.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's that is pretty cool. I will

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 2>say that.

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 5>Wait, you did talk about this in the podcast once

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 5>I talked about ever Last.

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I talked about the song, so yeah I

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.839
<v Speaker 2>have talked about yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have talked

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 2>about him. See, so maybe he did his research.

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 5>Mark, come on, I always feel like there's a logical

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:13.439
<v Speaker 5>explanation for these things. Although Easton at a very very

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 5>odd situation with the Long Island Medium where she knew

0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 5>something that I had no idea about Easton and nobody

0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 5>else know about Easton.

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 1>What.

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.799
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you know, we had Teresa Caputa of the Long

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:26.839
<v Speaker 7>Island Medium on with Ryan Seacrest one morning and I

0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 7>was like filling in as an engineer, you know, at

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:32.560
<v Speaker 7>this other studio, and so there's no way of her

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:34.839
<v Speaker 7>knowing that I was going to be there, but she

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 7>she was like, oh, someone in this room had a

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 7>like a lost a friend to a drowning accident, and

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 7>and I I had lost one of my close friends

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 7>like a year earlier, and it I was I'm totally

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:47.319
<v Speaker 7>a skeptic. And so by the time I came out

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:48.879
<v Speaker 7>of that, because she got a couple of things wrong,

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:52.400
<v Speaker 7>but mostly it was pretty accurate, I was like, Okay,

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:54.480
<v Speaker 7>she either it's either the real deal or she has

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 7>the best researchers on the face of the planet. And

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.399
<v Speaker 7>that's impressive too, you know, because like.

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Either way, it's impressive, you know, like like either they.

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:04.879
<v Speaker 7>Have like CIA levels of like researchers and and their

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 7>talents are being grossly misused.

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go with that it's real and that

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 1>because I don't want to believe that someone's that Connie,

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, to like to do that, especially when people

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 1>can really get some healing and some validation and some

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 1>love from it. Now, you know, obviously they're going to say,

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 1>like you said, they're going to say a few things wrong.

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 1>But I think it's the the fact that he did

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:39.880
<v Speaker 1>get that so right too. Sure there may be pieces

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 1>that may be wrong, and.

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's that's the expectation I have because I'm such

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:47.279
<v Speaker 2>a skeptic. It's like, I need you to tell me

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.160
<v Speaker 2>their name. If they're talking to you, they can tell

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:54.400
<v Speaker 2>you their name, exactly where they were, how it happened.

0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Like that's where that's where my skeptical brain.

0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Goes that they're just as spirits.

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:03.879
<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, they're still talking to them.

0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:09.279
<v Speaker 1>That is a good point. Actually, shoot, that actually is

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:10.120
<v Speaker 1>a really good point.

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 5>If they could say a car accident, right, they can

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:14.680
<v Speaker 5>say all that stuff, They could say their name.

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Maybe when they say that they're talking to them, it's

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:21.320
<v Speaker 1>more of like images and a feeling.

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Subjective. Anyways, I enjoyed their interview, I enjoyed their company.

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah they're fun. I'll watch it. Remind me of he

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:37.480
<v Speaker 1>reminds me of Todd crisly, very just like out there

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and fuel very unfiltered character.

0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 5>So I have a word with my grandfather. If any

0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:45.360
<v Speaker 5>medium ever can tell me the word that I have

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 5>with my grandfather.

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:47.799
<v Speaker 2>Then I'll buy it blueberry pancakes.

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:49.439
<v Speaker 5>It's not the word.

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Ah wait, next time we have someone on we have

0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:55.279
<v Speaker 1>to ask them. That would have been so good. Mark.

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 5>Well, but that's the thing is, I don't even like,

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 5>I don't even like queuing them up for that. I

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 5>feel like, if it's legit, they'll just have it and

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:03.720
<v Speaker 5>they'll have the word.

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you're I mean, if you can just say that,

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 2>there's no way they're gonna be able to guess the word.

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 1>How many words are in the dictionary?

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 4>That's true, that's true, but that'd be kind of crazy.

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to start guessing.

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.839
<v Speaker 1>I know, we're just going to start sounding like.

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Depending on how many years we have on this podcast

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.879
<v Speaker 2>in the future, every day is a new word. Our thing.

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 5>Me and my grandpa. This was our thing, and there's

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 5>no no And I know he would say it because

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 5>he almost when he was laying on his deathbed and

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 5>like in convulsions, he kind of referenced this word so

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 5>I know, what's the first word he would say if

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 5>you were speaking to me, Oh, my heart?

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 1>When did you lose him?

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:44.799
<v Speaker 5>I was about twenty and he's my only grandparent that

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:46.439
<v Speaker 5>I was really close with. I had a hard time

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 5>with that one. Yeah.

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Is it a single word?

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 5>Oh my, it's a single word. It is one word. No, so.

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:56.439
<v Speaker 1>Heart.

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's so sweet though, those are the words a

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:01.880
<v Speaker 2>woman would think.

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Hey, what would you think of lego? Yeah?

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something like that.

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 6>My lego?

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.799
<v Speaker 2>Who would you think of something? Not what you're saying?

0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Probably Mark.

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:14.279
<v Speaker 1>Do we have any emails?

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 5>Selene needs some help? So these are that's the kind

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 5>of serious, which makes sense after last week's episode that

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.399
<v Speaker 5>the emails are kind of serious. This week, she said,

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:23.040
<v Speaker 5>I've been with my husband for over three years now.

0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:25.440
<v Speaker 5>He's a recovering drug addict. I found out about his

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:27.439
<v Speaker 5>addiction when I was newly pregnant with our son about

0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:29.799
<v Speaker 5>two years ago. He's relapsed a few times, and every

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:32.879
<v Speaker 5>time it's completely apologetic and remorseful. Every time I say

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:34.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm done that I'll not put up with his addiction

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 5>around our son. And he doesn't think that he needs

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 5>rehab and that it's something he will stop because he

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:41.319
<v Speaker 5>wants our family together. So we've agreed for me to

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:44.799
<v Speaker 5>do random drug tests when I'm feeling insecure about his sobriety.

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 5>He's been clean for almost six months now, but I

0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 5>don't want to continue to live in constant fear. Every

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:51.360
<v Speaker 5>time I ask him to take a drug test and

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:54.239
<v Speaker 5>it comes back clean, I feel horrible for not trusting him.

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 5>I live every day with constant anxiety of finding out

0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 5>he's been using. Listening to your podcasts every week, hearing

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 5>how both of you are working through it gives me

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 5>the faith that we, too can be happy and work

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:06.399
<v Speaker 5>this out. I love your podcast and love to hear

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:09.360
<v Speaker 5>how much love you have for each other. Such an inspiration.

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Janna just gives me a little snap and okay, you're up.

0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:23.160
<v Speaker 2>First of all, Selene, thank you for sharing. You know,

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:27.400
<v Speaker 2>our our hearts and empathy go out towards you and

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 2>your family and what you're dealing with. What I would

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:33.239
<v Speaker 2>have to say, I can understand. Jane can speak more

0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:36.799
<v Speaker 2>on this, but I can understand how you how you

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 2>would feel, or how she would feel like horrible after

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:45.399
<v Speaker 2>the drug test comes back clean and she feels bad

0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 2>for not trusting him. Having said that if he's willing

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 2>to do that. You know, Jane, again, we'll speak on this.

0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:58.760
<v Speaker 2>That's a tangible thing where if he's not grunting and growing,

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:00.919
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, you got it. You know, I feel

0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:02.520
<v Speaker 2>like a kid. I feel like I'm being controlled all

0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the things that I would say in the past about

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, what Janna needed is if he's willing to

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:12.399
<v Speaker 2>do that, then use it and try to maybe talk

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:14.839
<v Speaker 2>about it with him, tell him your fears around it,

0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 2>but maybe find a way just to do some therapy

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:23.920
<v Speaker 2>work around it, to discuss it with him, just a

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:27.720
<v Speaker 2>way to look at it differently than you know, living

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 2>with that fear and anxiety. But again I can empathize

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.120
<v Speaker 2>with every time you're waiting to get that test back,

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 2>you're probably terrified, absolutely terrified, praying that it's not going

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 2>to be positive. So I think again, if he has

0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:45.040
<v Speaker 2>a positive attitude about it, I think that's great because

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 2>that's something tangible that he can give you, which is

0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 2>something that is difficult for me to give. Janna. I'm assuming,

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 2>because she says she feels horrible for not trusting him

0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.400
<v Speaker 2>when it comes back clean, I'm assuming that his attitude

0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:02.799
<v Speaker 2>towards it is probably pretty decent, So that's the biggest thing.

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Guess we're assuming his attitude is positive because she doesn't

0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:10.240
<v Speaker 2>allude to it not being that way. So I'm hoping

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:11.799
<v Speaker 2>that's the case. And if that's the case, that's why

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying use it as a tool. If it's not

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the case, then that's something else to discuss, because I

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 2>can understand even more so, while you'd have so much

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:23.359
<v Speaker 2>for your anxiety, if he's given a shit about it.

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 1>It's just so tricky. And even when you had said

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 1>that one thing, like you wish you had tangibility. I

0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:32.320
<v Speaker 1>think that sometimes where even I can get sometimes a

0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 1>little envious of because that would be something that she

0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 1>can hold on to at least knowing that he's not.

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 1>And there's no I can't drug test you or ethan

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:46.520
<v Speaker 1>lie detective test you. But that's not even accurate because.

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:48.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not as black and white as drugs and alcohol.

0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 2>So's there's too much gray area.

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and with a drug test, it's you know, here's

0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:58.520
<v Speaker 1>the thing that at the end of the day, and this

0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:02.080
<v Speaker 1>is where I can have empathy for her. It's we

0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:04.839
<v Speaker 1>don't want to have to do that, Like I don't

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 1>want to have to do some of the boundaries that

0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:11.359
<v Speaker 1>we do, because it's it's exhausting for us to have

0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 1>to sit there, and it's like, we just want to

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 1>trust you, like why why do we have to do this?

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Because why can't you just be honest or stay in

0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 1>your program? And so I think it, at least from

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 1>my experience, it's just it just gets so frustrating because

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:29.560
<v Speaker 1>you're like, we don't want to have to do it.

0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:32.120
<v Speaker 1>And I love that you guys are willing to, you know,

0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:35.920
<v Speaker 1>let us do these things, but it just gets so exhausting,

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:40.320
<v Speaker 1>and that disgusting anxiety that comes up when she waits

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:44.040
<v Speaker 1>for it or when we check balances and stuff on

0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:46.480
<v Speaker 1>a boundary list, it's just it's that waiting for the

0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 1>next shoe to drop and that you know that that's

0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 1>just like such an ugly, yucky place to live in,

0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 1>but at the same time you need it for safety.

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:56.319
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, I don't. I wish I had the

0:48:56.400 --> 0:49:00.440
<v Speaker 1>right answer, you know, for for even her too, because

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know what I've maybe the balance

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 1>of doing it like not obviously not every week or

0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 1>not every day, like maybe just do it where it's

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 1>not I don't even the That's the thing, I don't

0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:15.560
<v Speaker 1>even know, because no matter what, you're still going to

0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 1>have the anxiety. But hopefully, over time, when he starts

0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 1>proving to you that he's being honest and that he's

0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:25.800
<v Speaker 1>staying in recovery, that that anxiety won't be there because

0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:28.120
<v Speaker 1>you'll be expecting it to be negative because of how

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 1>great he's acting and how much he's been able to

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:35.799
<v Speaker 1>change and grow and live in recovery. Yeah, so I

0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:38.680
<v Speaker 1>think hopefully you just just think about it where it's like, Okay,

0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:40.680
<v Speaker 1>in a year from now, I'm probably not going to

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 1>be this heightened because he's gonna will have shown negative

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 1>this entire time, and I can I can really start

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 1>to trust him and build put the building blocks on

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 1>there and put some stuff in the relationship bank.

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's my thoughts.

0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:59.080
<v Speaker 5>This one is uh, it's titled Mike's Confidence, but it's

0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:01.719
<v Speaker 5>really more for Janet from Andrea. She says about last week,

0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 5>I needed this episode. When I heard Mike say you

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 5>can't truly love someone until you love yourself has struck

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:08.200
<v Speaker 5>a chord with me. My husband and I have been

0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:11.680
<v Speaker 5>going through drug addiction issues that include ongoing lying justifications

0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 5>et cetera. We got to the happiest place in our

0:50:13.880 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 5>marriage ever, and then two weeks later he relapsed. My

0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:19.759
<v Speaker 5>question is, Jianna, how does it make you feel to

0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 5>see Mike love himself and be proud of himself. It

0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:25.719
<v Speaker 5>sounds terrible, but I have moments where I'm mad that

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:28.320
<v Speaker 5>my husband has so much confidence in himself and pride

0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:30.960
<v Speaker 5>because I'm just not there yet. I don't feel that

0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:33.319
<v Speaker 5>way yet because of hurts, because of the relapse, because

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:35.359
<v Speaker 5>of the doubt. How do you handle Mike talking about

0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:37.480
<v Speaker 5>all the good he's being and well he's doing it,

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:39.919
<v Speaker 5>all these things. I don't want to keep my husband down.

0:50:39.960 --> 0:50:41.520
<v Speaker 5>I want to be a cheerleader, but how can I

0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:44.400
<v Speaker 5>truly do that with so many reservations? I love you, guys,

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 5>Thank you for being so vulnerable. It helps more than

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:47.920
<v Speaker 5>I can put into words.

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.839
<v Speaker 1>Was she in my therapy session of like let ago?

0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:54.000
<v Speaker 2>What a great great topic?

0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:54.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I know it's such a great topic because I remember,

0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:00.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, when everything kind of happened with the boundary

0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:04.400
<v Speaker 1>slips a month or so ago. You know, You're like,

0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:06.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna get healthy, and

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:08.279
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, wow, cool, like, you're doing all these

0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 1>steps to be healthy, and I'm just kind of sitting here,

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:13.759
<v Speaker 1>still angry and still and it's just we want to

0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:15.239
<v Speaker 1>be happy for you. At the same time, I'm like,

0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:17.400
<v Speaker 1>you just crapped all over my side of the street,

0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:19.640
<v Speaker 1>and now I got to pick up your crap on

0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:21.600
<v Speaker 1>my side of the street, and I got to pick

0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:24.400
<v Speaker 1>up my stuff. So it's just like we just got

0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:29.440
<v Speaker 1>we get dumped on twice, and we've got extra crap

0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:32.320
<v Speaker 1>to clear out. And you know, I remember talking to

0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:34.720
<v Speaker 1>my therapists Amy being like I want to be happy

0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:36.640
<v Speaker 1>for him, but I'm like I'm also looking at him

0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:40.400
<v Speaker 1>being like, oh, you're so healed, and just being real,

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:44.920
<v Speaker 1>just nasty because I was hurt and I was like,

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:47.160
<v Speaker 1>how do you get to be happy when you keep

0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:51.320
<v Speaker 1>hurting me and people? You know, we talked about comments earlier,

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:53.359
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, yeah, you know why I've been disrespectful

0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 1>because you've given me no reason to trust you. You

0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:58.400
<v Speaker 1>keep breaking it. How can I like, you know? And

0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:01.160
<v Speaker 1>so it's like I go in that tailsp but I'm like,

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:03.200
<v Speaker 1>but you get to be cool and healthy. And that's

0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:05.120
<v Speaker 1>when my therapist finally sat me down and she's like

0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:08.280
<v Speaker 1>you have to stop focusing on him and his recovery

0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and what he has to do for himself, like in

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:13.480
<v Speaker 1>what y'all's relationships. She's like, this is a this is

0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 1>your therapy session. We need to talk about you and

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:17.920
<v Speaker 1>how you are going to get healthy and what you

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:22.560
<v Speaker 1>need to do to be healthier and better and happier

0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:25.480
<v Speaker 1>and lighter and more free. But it is hard to

0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:27.759
<v Speaker 1>sometimes see, especially when you guys kind of puff out

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:30.840
<v Speaker 1>your chest and you're like this great new shining version,

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:35.279
<v Speaker 1>like shiny version, and I'm like, oh, buddy, like we've

0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:38.319
<v Speaker 1>seen that version twenty times and try to like come

0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 1>out of different shells, you know, where it just becomes

0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:46.359
<v Speaker 1>we get we get sickest seeing the new shiny version

0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:48.040
<v Speaker 1>that you keep saying is going to be there, and

0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 1>then it's never there, so then we don't respect that version,

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and then we start to become bitter, and it's just

0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:58.040
<v Speaker 1>becomes that cycle. But that's where it's like my therapist too,

0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 1>is like over time, just continue to watch and see

0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:04.320
<v Speaker 1>if they can consistently stay that person, but then also

0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 1>ask them to help you, like lean in, you know,

0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:08.359
<v Speaker 1>what is something that they learned that you can help

0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:12.520
<v Speaker 1>them lean into their recovery and your recovery as well.

0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, no, for sure, I have a few things.

0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:27.120
<v Speaker 2>First of all, I can totally understand, like how that

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:35.600
<v Speaker 2>would be frustrating, infuriating at times and painful to see that.

0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:41.520
<v Speaker 2>I think for our particular situation. The difference and you

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:44.720
<v Speaker 2>can attest this or not. The way I feel about

0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:49.240
<v Speaker 2>it now is I think I've actually talked less about

0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.560
<v Speaker 2>the changes I'm making than I have in the past. Sure,

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:56.160
<v Speaker 2>we're in the past, I like, which.

0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Is maybe why I believe it more because I'm seeing

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:02.160
<v Speaker 1>it as opposed to you saying what I'm what you're doing. Yeah,

0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.360
<v Speaker 1>you're not telling that what you're doing, you're doing.

0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 2>It right, I'm not. Yeah. And anytime I reference something

0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:10.400
<v Speaker 2>like you know i've been talking about that book, I'm

0:54:10.400 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 2>reading a lot just because.

0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Mentioned the book, because I know you've really liked that

0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:14.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot.

0:54:15.080 --> 0:54:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I will, I'll get to that, but it's it's not

0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:22.760
<v Speaker 2>out of it's out of something that we're talking about,

0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:27.160
<v Speaker 2>right to give an example. So I really feel like

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:29.200
<v Speaker 2>that's been a big difference for both of us. Right

0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 2>now is I feel myself just doing things and not

0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:38.400
<v Speaker 2>looking to you to validate you to validate it or

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:43.120
<v Speaker 2>to acknowledge it. I'm not looking to you to be like, oh, wow,

0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:45.160
<v Speaker 2>you really have been waking up at six and six

0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:48.719
<v Speaker 2>in the morning every day doing your work. You really

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:50.200
<v Speaker 2>have been going to warment, you know.

0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:51.600
<v Speaker 1>And you're doing it for you, not for me, not

0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 1>for me to like pat you on the back, good job.

0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. I haven't even needed that because

0:54:58.280 --> 0:55:01.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually not doing it for you, which is a

0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:05.680
<v Speaker 2>first for me. And so I get why in the

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:08.000
<v Speaker 2>past a lot of times you would when you're in

0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:11.880
<v Speaker 2>a bad place and I'll be saying things, well, it'd be.

0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.319
<v Speaker 1>The thirtieth it'd be the thirtieth book that you would

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:16.640
<v Speaker 1>have ordered from Amazon that you don't actually open up.

0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:19.799
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, what is that book gonna do? What

0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:21.600
<v Speaker 1>about the twenty nine books that you say?

0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:23.560
<v Speaker 2>It's like, there's stack of books on my nightstand and

0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.840
<v Speaker 2>be like, honey, see all these books that I bought,

0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:35.400
<v Speaker 2>like but haven't read anyways, But now, but yeah, my

0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:37.880
<v Speaker 2>point is again now it's it's different than before because

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I think both of us can acknowledge that. Having said that,

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:45.720
<v Speaker 2>part of the thing too is it might come across

0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:50.600
<v Speaker 2>as us talking about it more because you or Andrea

0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:55.080
<v Speaker 2>might be asking questions of for your safety, of what

0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:57.320
<v Speaker 2>are you doing different? What do you you know what

0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean where especially early on, not now you're not

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:02.919
<v Speaker 2>doing that, but for the first month, it was you're

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.160
<v Speaker 2>trying to grab onto something, You're trying to get something tangible,

0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:06.640
<v Speaker 2>so you're asking a lot of questions. We're having a

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:08.480
<v Speaker 2>lot more discussions and talks about what it's going to

0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:08.880
<v Speaker 2>look like.

0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, because that's and that's something where I think

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:15.680
<v Speaker 1>men women we get in that struggle where if you've

0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 1>been hurt countless times, it's like, what do you have

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:22.120
<v Speaker 1>to hold on to when you've taken I won't do

0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:23.600
<v Speaker 1>this again, I won't do this or this, and it's

0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:27.239
<v Speaker 1>like what Okay, You're just like frantically searching for what

0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:30.319
<v Speaker 1>to hold on to to see if you're actually going

0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:32.280
<v Speaker 1>to do it or not, and that this it's just time.

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ultimately it is. There's nothing you can say.

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:40.200
<v Speaker 1>But that's what we're thinking. We want you to say something,

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:42.399
<v Speaker 1>but there's literally nothing you can say.

0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:44.879
<v Speaker 2>It's hard because you keep asking, you know, and we're

0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:46.680
<v Speaker 2>saying the same thing over and over again. You're asking

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:48.080
<v Speaker 2>the same thing over and over again, like we're going

0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:51.120
<v Speaker 2>to give you a different response, waiting to hear that

0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:52.319
<v Speaker 2>magical word.

0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:55.960
<v Speaker 1>But we want that so badly to give us hope.

0:56:55.960 --> 0:56:59.440
<v Speaker 2>It's a crazy hope. Has just been speaking of crazy cycle.

0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:04.040
<v Speaker 2>So Yanna mentioned this book that I'm reading, No this

0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:07.520
<v Speaker 2>crazy cycle. There's this book I'm reading right now called

0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:11.879
<v Speaker 2>Love and Respect by this author, Emerson Edgers. I think

0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:15.600
<v Speaker 2>you said you say his last name. It's again. I'm

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:17.640
<v Speaker 2>not a big reader. I'm becoming one because I'm doing

0:57:17.680 --> 0:57:20.960
<v Speaker 2>it more. The first ten pages of this book, I

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:23.840
<v Speaker 2>was just like already shaking my head giving some of

0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:26.320
<v Speaker 2>those like church like mm, like you know, some of

0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:28.560
<v Speaker 2>those like hand in the air, Like That's how I

0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:32.840
<v Speaker 2>felt because it was just like telling our story of

0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:37.760
<v Speaker 2>just like our interaction between husband and wife, and he

0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:40.440
<v Speaker 2>talks about this crazy cycle, that that relationships, that marriages

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:43.800
<v Speaker 2>get on and everything. The ultimate underlying point of the

0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:47.560
<v Speaker 2>book is love and respect. It's when it comes down

0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:51.960
<v Speaker 2>to it. What he's preaching is that women ultimately just

0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:53.960
<v Speaker 2>want to feel loved at the end of the day.

0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 2>That is their most important thing. That is what they need.

0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:59.200
<v Speaker 2>They need that attention, they need love, they need to

0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:03.800
<v Speaker 2>feel chosen. They need that stuff. And for men, our

0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:07.560
<v Speaker 2>biggest thing across the board, more so than not, is

0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:11.000
<v Speaker 2>actually we have the need to feel respected. And I

0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:13.360
<v Speaker 2>never really thought about it before, but I was like, oh,

0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:16.520
<v Speaker 2>that is it. You know. When he has some polls

0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:19.840
<v Speaker 2>in there, he referenced the Bible a lot, and it's

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:23.160
<v Speaker 2>just fascinating. I think one of them he asked a

0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:25.600
<v Speaker 2>group of I don't know, a thousand men or something,

0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:28.120
<v Speaker 2>would you rather be in a marriage that your wife

0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:31.400
<v Speaker 2>loves you and doesn't respect you, or that respects you

0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:33.720
<v Speaker 2>and doesn't love you. And it's like eighty one percent

0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:36.800
<v Speaker 2>of men said they'd rather be in a loveless marriage

0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:39.840
<v Speaker 2>as long as their wife respected them. And that means

0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:44.560
<v Speaker 2>more to men in this guy's theory than love does.

0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:48.680
<v Speaker 2>And there's obviously outsiders who will disagree and it doesn't

0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:52.160
<v Speaker 2>impact him as much as love. But again, that's what

0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:56.720
<v Speaker 2>he preaches, and it's about unconditionally respecting your husband and

0:58:56.840 --> 0:58:59.720
<v Speaker 2>unconditionally loving your wife. And he uses the analogy of

0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:01.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of like what came first to the chicken or

0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:03.600
<v Speaker 2>the egg, So the wife wants to be like, well,

0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:05.919
<v Speaker 2>I'll love you if you or i'll respect you if you,

0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:08.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, freaking love me. And the husband's like, well,

0:59:08.040 --> 0:59:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I'll love you if you respect me. And that's what

0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:12.600
<v Speaker 2>he calls the crazy cycle, because you're just waiting for

0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the other person to do it, and so it's unconditionally thinking,

0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:20.320
<v Speaker 2>in this moment, how can I love my wife in

0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:22.840
<v Speaker 2>this moment? How can I respect my husband. It's an

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:25.720
<v Speaker 2>unbelievable book. I highly recommend it, even for all you

0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:27.480
<v Speaker 2>non readers like me out there, go get it.

0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:29.160
<v Speaker 6>I love it.

0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:53.720
<v Speaker 5>I don't know how to answer that.

0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:56.920
<v Speaker 2>What you just said, Mark, I love because he kind

0:59:56.920 --> 1:00:01.560
<v Speaker 2>of references references that, and he says, men, that is

1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:04.960
<v Speaker 2>what we say if they ask. If someone asks us,

1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:07.439
<v Speaker 2>does your wife love you, we're like, yeah, of course

1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:11.040
<v Speaker 2>she does. And then he'll also ask, but does your

1:00:11.040 --> 1:00:13.280
<v Speaker 2>wife respect you? And to your exact point, you're like,

1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if she necessarily does. And to your

1:00:17.640 --> 1:00:20.920
<v Speaker 2>personal opinion, do you really care? To women? He has

1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:24.040
<v Speaker 2>the same question, you know, does your husband respect you? Yeah,

1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:26.160
<v Speaker 2>of course he respects me. But does your husband love you?

1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I know, I don't really think he loves me, and

1:00:30.960 --> 1:00:35.240
<v Speaker 2>so so you even saying that was kind of sparks

1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:39.160
<v Speaker 2>my This guy's kind of belief behind it is because

1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:40.840
<v Speaker 2>we just feel, Yeah, of course our wife loves us,

1:00:40.880 --> 1:00:45.200
<v Speaker 2>they're married to us. That's enough for us. Again, I'm

1:00:45.200 --> 1:00:48.040
<v Speaker 2>speaking in general terms, not everyone, but from his theory,

1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:52.080
<v Speaker 2>that's enough for men to have enough love. This woman

1:00:52.120 --> 1:00:53.640
<v Speaker 2>is willing to spend the rest of her life with me,

1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:57.000
<v Speaker 2>that's love, all right.

1:00:57.040 --> 1:00:58.480
<v Speaker 1>We'll stay tuned for next weekend.

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<v Speaker 5>O h.