1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hello, 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: my Little Peanuts sits me your host Lance Bass. This 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: is Frosted Tips with Me and my co host Jay Dizzel. 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: What up, Jay Dizzel. It's part two of our Robbie 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: Williams interview. I've been waiting so long. Yeah, well, I 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: already know what happens and it is good. All right, 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: it is good. So let's get to the second part 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: of a Robbie Williams interview. Right now, let's get to 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: the breakup of Take That in ninety five, heartbreaking for 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: many in America. Y'all are just starting to break. I 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: mean it was I mean all about Take That and 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: then I think you're maybe are going to do a tour, 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: and then you broke up and didn't get to do 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 1: the tour. Obviously massive all over the world. From your 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: point of view, how did that all go down, those 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: last moments of Take That? And did you ever think 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: that you would ever be able to pick it up 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: many years later? 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: Well, I was in a spiritual emotional life spiral and 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: one of the first of many nervous breakdowns. You know, 21 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: you don't know you're going through that at the time 22 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: because you don't have capacity or the words to understand 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: what it is that's actually happening to you. And mixed 24 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: with that, I think the the the years of being 25 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: the runt of the litter and what was happening outside. 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: I had a contract out on me to kill me 27 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: where I was from, and I wasn't safe anywhere. Basically, 28 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: I wasn't safe at home and I. 29 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: Had someone want to kill you. 30 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody the pub told me, oh. 31 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: My, for what reason? Just because you're in a boy band? 32 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, jez yeah, wow. 33 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: I mean it is crazy. I mean, we've had a 34 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: lot of death threats, you know, within sync, I mean, 35 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: and to the point where we don't even share a 36 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: lot of the stories because we don't want fans to 37 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: get upset. But there were some crazy. 38 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: But his thing now, especially with social media, is that 39 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: you know, the woods I've been there's been a death 40 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: threat issued against me, are issued so freely that nobody 41 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: takes the serious. It's because like even I read it, 42 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: and I was getting death threats, and you know, but like, no, 43 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: you're getting death threats. 44 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Exactly, and all it takes is one to really follow. 45 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: Through, you know, the threats on your. 46 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: Life, especially with social media like Twitter. I had to 47 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: get off Twitter because I don't know how many times 48 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: people were telling me they're going to murder me on Twitter, right, 49 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: and and then send pictures of my home, right, you know, 50 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, that's that's a little much. Do 51 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: you ever get worried? I mean, it's I like getting older, 52 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of that kind of dampers 53 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: down a little bit, especially with like the young fans. 54 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: But do you ever worry about your family? 55 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? Not not not anymore. And I have protection and 56 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: all of that business. But what I've noticed, especially entering 57 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: into middle age and which I'm now a member of, 58 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: the jealousy and the hatred. But I mean it's still 59 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: out there, but it's not the same thing, you know. 60 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: It's like I was physically unsafe whenever I left my 61 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: home in Stoke on Trent. We do two things really 62 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: well in Stoke kindness, we're the kindest people you will 63 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: ever meet. We also do violence incredibly well. And you 64 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: don't know who you're going to get, you know. So 65 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: I wasn't safe at home, and I wasn't safe in 66 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: the band. Management and interpersonal relationships within the band, so 67 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: there was escape for me, and where would I escape. 68 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: I would escape in drink and drugs. And that mixed 69 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: with a nervous mental breakdown and a rehearsing for a tour. 70 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: I told the boys that after this tour I wanted 71 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: to leave the band. And and one day we went 72 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: in for rehearsals and you know, very cinematic the night 73 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: before as me down in a bottle of Jack Daniels 74 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: and then crying on my knees, naked, looking up at 75 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: the ceiling. 76 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: You know that's the opening of your movie. 77 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the movie. I don't think. I don't know 78 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: if that's in the movie, but it's very cinematic, isn't it? 79 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: Very dramatic? And next day I go in and then 80 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: rehearse badly because I'm hungover. And then the boys say 81 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: we need to speak to you, and they sit me 82 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: down and they say, look, we know that you want 83 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: to leave after this tour, but we were thinking we'd 84 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: like to do this tour as afore to see how 85 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: we get on. What do you think? And I was like, 86 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: it was just like my opportunity there in that moment 87 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: to unplug and you know, remove myself from a situation 88 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: that I thought was causing me great stress and great 89 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: pain for whatever reason that was. 90 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: Well, take us on their journey from knowing that you 91 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: weren't going to do that tour to your first solo song. 92 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: What did that look like? How did you get there? 93 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: Do you know? It's like a Guy Ritchie movie like 94 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 2: that that I'm not in the most trouble that I 95 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: could be in at this point out the frying pan 96 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,559 Speaker 2: into the fire, and there are a lot of people 97 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 2: that are still alive, so you know, there would be protective, 98 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: protective of their own reputations. So the stuff that I 99 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 2: could get into is a film in itself. But the 100 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: footnotes are I take my record company to court to 101 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: get out of the contract for one reason or another. 102 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: Didn't you have to pay? 103 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 2: Well? I leave take that with one point two. Yeah, 104 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: it cost me one point five to get out of 105 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: my record deal. So I sign with EMI and I 106 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 2: am three hundred grand in the red. 107 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: Biggest band in the world, biggest band in the world. 108 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: You don't have enough money coming out. 109 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: Of that, No, I have. I have minus three hundred thousands. 110 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: Wow. 111 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is nuts. 112 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: That is so nuts. Yeah, well it all worked out 113 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: because your solo career just took off like no other. 114 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: Remember the first time and you'll never remember this, but 115 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: I did meet you in Spain. God, what year was that? 116 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: Probably ninety eight in an elevator. I had no idea 117 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: who we were at the times. We were just coming 118 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: out over there, but you were super nice in the elevator. 119 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was good for me, y, yeah, good 120 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: for you good yeah, So yeah ninety six. Did you 121 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: know where was the solo career in the works towards 122 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: the end of take that? Or was that just a 123 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: surprise to you? 124 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: To what? I had a incredible overwhelming feelings of lack 125 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: of self worth and no esteem, mixed with an unconsciable 126 00:07:52,800 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: belief that something out there for me is massive. And 127 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: I hadn't written a song at the time, but I 128 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to write songs and I'm going 129 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: to sing them, and my albums are going to sell 130 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: millions and I'm going to do huge shows. 131 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: And I mean, and you became an incredible songwriter. Do 132 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: you remember what was the first song you wrote? 133 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: Angels was like one of the first songs, Yeah, Angels. 134 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like a loser now. 135 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: Dude, like you know, like you know that this, I 136 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: believe that something exists out there in the ethereal, like 137 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: something that we're unaware of. Because you know, I've written 138 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: probably seven hundred songs since then. I haven't done it again. 139 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: Not I've done really well. You know, I've written some 140 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: great things, but I haven't written anything that's that. And 141 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: it's not lost on me that the song Angels is 142 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 2: about angels or Angel Michael or Angel Gabriel, And I 143 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 2: don't know. There's just moments in people's life that are 144 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: sliding doors moments. And that was the biggest slideing door 145 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: moment that I've ever had. 146 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: When Angels came out. How quickly did that take off? 147 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: I mean I think that was I mean immediate hit. Right. 148 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: Well, I'd had four singles and I was just my 149 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: album would come out and the record company had signed 150 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: me for a lot of money and it sold thirty 151 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: three thousand copies. At the time, this was abysmal, and 152 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: a note went around the record company to drop Robbie Williams. 153 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: Really and then, you know, I don't know why or 154 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: how they gave me this chance with Angels and Bump, 155 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: you know, it just went stratospheric and went stratospheric straight away. 156 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: But it all could have been so different. 157 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: And you've experienced with experimented with a lot of different 158 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: genres too, and a lot of your albums, like you 159 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: said before, you know, we are kind of came from 160 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: different loves of music. What genre did you enjoy most recording? 161 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,599 Speaker 2: Well, I was just thinking this on the way. He is, like, 162 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: I love I love music, and I love culture and 163 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: I love cultures and I want to be everything. I 164 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: want to be straight, I want to be gay. I 165 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: want to be a teddy boy. I want to be 166 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: a rocker. I want to be a punk. I want 167 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: to be a rapper. I want to be a West 168 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 2: End Wendy. You know, I want to be in. 169 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: Theater original fluid. 170 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 2: Well, yeah I am. I am fluid when it comes 171 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: to music and what and I want to be I 172 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: want to be everything. There's nothing that I don't want 173 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: to be. Maybe thrash metal, but you know, thrash metal 174 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: has its place for people and they have their love 175 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 2: for it, and I get that you love it. It's 176 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: not for me to but absolutely everything else. It's like 177 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: I want to inhabit it and be it, you know, 178 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: like an like an actor. You know, if you get 179 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: lucky and you're on a soap and you remain on 180 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: a soap and you get a solid job, that's great. 181 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: But as an actor, I'd want to be you know, 182 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: John McClain, But I'd also want to be Tom hankson 183 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: Philadelphia or you know, or I want to try on 184 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: I want to try on everything. It's like, if we're 185 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: allowed to identify I am a straight camp guy, that's 186 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: that's my my thing is like I'm I'm camp and 187 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: I love being camp, and that's how I identify. I don't know, 188 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: when you walk down this this road, when you talk 189 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: about this stuff, this stuff, you can only get in trouble. 190 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: That's true, there's no there's no. 191 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: Get offended by anything you said. 192 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: But there's no there's no sort of like debate, and 193 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: there's no gray areas, and there's no love, and there's 194 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: no opportunity to understand people's sensibilities and how it holds 195 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 2: space for people to exist in the place that they 196 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: want to exist in if it doesn't hurt anybody else exactly. 197 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: Freedom expression is amazing as long as you literally don't 198 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: hurt anyone whoever you want. 199 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: To be Yeah, be whoever you want to be, doing 200 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: whatever you you love that whatever makes you feel good, 201 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm I'm ay. Yeah, that's that's that's where 202 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: I am. I would have loved to have. Yeah, I 203 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 2: would have loved Like I say, I want to be 204 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: a punk rocker, want to be a teddy boy, want 205 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: to be a rapper. I want to be gay, want 206 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: to be straight, want to be by I want to 207 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: be whatever. I want to experience it all. 208 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: I love your wife so much, unless she have I'm 209 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: known for a long time. We became poker buddies back 210 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: in the day. 211 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's very fond of you. 212 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's when when poker was like the thing, remember 213 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: early two thousands and everyone was playing poker, so we'd 214 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: have poker night at my house. A lot loved her 215 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: and that's when she's met you at that time, and 216 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: she fell madly in love and I never saw her. 217 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 2: That was the last she saw of you. 218 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, she got into the Robbi Williams world. 219 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: She got into the Robbie Williams world and then moved 220 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: to the UK. But she's she's so, she speaks lovely, 221 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: so affectionately about you. She's very, very fond of you 222 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 2: and we should get back. 223 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: We are for sure. How did y'all meet? I don't 224 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: even know the story of how y'all blind date? 225 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: Really yeah, a friend of ours, mutual friend of ours, 226 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: and chaos and chewed and it wasn't you know, it 227 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: wasn't playing sailing. But seventeen years later, I have, I have. 228 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: I was just about to say I have felt no 229 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: great love, but I have because I've got four kids, 230 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: So that's that's just. 231 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: But how did she? I mean, every girl wants to 232 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: tame Robert Williams, How does she get you? 233 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: Sliding doors moment? You know, another one of those sliding 234 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: doors moments where my solo career was now giving me 235 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: a nervous breakdown, and I decided that I was going 236 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,479 Speaker 2: to retire because I love to make sweeping statements, and 237 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: I retired in my head and I met Ida at 238 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: the same time. And you know, she if I if 239 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: I I didn't know what I wanted or what I 240 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: needed or who it was, I couldn't have described them. 241 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: But now looking at my wife, it's so obvious what 242 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: I needed and what I wanted. 243 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: The universe gives you exactly what you need when you 244 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: need it. Yeah, is that when you moved to America? 245 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. I moved to America first year 246 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: of sobriety, when I was twenty three, And you know, 247 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: I met Ida that was funny and dynamic and interesting 248 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: and interested. And when I say funny, hysterical and loving 249 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: and empathic. And you know, there's never been a second 250 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: where I've been bored with my wife, bared of her, 251 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: or bored with her. And yeah, she just yeah, I 252 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: mean I could, I could tear up thinking about her 253 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: because I'm just so in love. 254 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: Well you can see it for sure. 255 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 256 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: And your kids are they getting an entertainment? Oh my god, yeah, 257 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: you're like, no. 258 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: No, no, it would be so weird if they wanted 259 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: to be an accountant or lawyer, I'd be so upset. Well, 260 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: everybody wants to be a lawyer. You know, you should 261 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: really think about joining a boy band and you want 262 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: to be a lawyer. But watch your plan. B is 263 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: it content creator? 264 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: That's what I said. We start a boy band with 265 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: all ex boy band members. We got oh my god, 266 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: Johnny Wahlberg's kid, You got your kid. Mine's gonna be 267 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: too young, but we'll get some how. Eighteen months My 268 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: kids are, so they've got a way to go. 269 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: Is that so your kids are brand new? 270 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just babies. 271 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: For some reason, I thought you had a kid a 272 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: while ago. How was your kid? 273 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: I've got a dog that's five years old. 274 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: Oh really? Okay, Well you know there's never been a 275 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: boy band or a girl band with a dog in it. 276 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: There you go, there you go, true, you write it down. 277 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: You got lots to do. 278 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: Do you think? Okay, you're nineteen months old? 279 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: Kids? Yeah? 280 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: On now eighteen? Would you do you think? Literally if 281 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: a boy band, what what would they go? 282 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: Boy? Or boy and a girl? 283 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: Boy and a girl? Okay, what would you think about 284 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: them joining a boy band at eighteen? 285 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't mind. I would support whatever they 286 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: want because now, knowing what I know now, I could 287 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: protect them a lot more. Me too, Yeah, so I'd 288 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: be fine with it. 289 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, fine with it. 290 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: I would not. I would rather than be the drummer, 291 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: just because I think, you know, being a public figure, 292 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: it just comes with so much pressure, especially right now, 293 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: and a lot of more danger. 294 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: I think I think you should be I think you 295 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: should have a license to manage. I think you should 296 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 2: you should have to have a license to manage young people, 297 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: anybody underneath, anybody under the age of twenty one. You 298 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 2: should have a license, and your license should be So. 299 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: It's true, it's like the wild wild West with these 300 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: young entertainers. And now because I'm actually working on a 301 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: documentary now where we're looking at that, you know, underage 302 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: kids that are especially TikTok stars and all this, that 303 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: are getting so taken advantage of and abused. And it's 304 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: just a hellish world out there that these kids are 305 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: not being protected at all and there's no rules and 306 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: regulations for because they're social media stars, so they're not 307 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, they're not real people. Yeah, it's it's it's 308 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: sad what a lot of these kids are going through. 309 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: And it never changes. It's like you hear these horror 310 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: stories for the last five decades, you know. 311 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: And it's before. I'm sure underneath every rock in the 312 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: entertainment industry is a predator of some sort ready to 313 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 2: take advantage of you. 314 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when it comes to kids. Yeah, sadly, how 315 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: did it who approached you to bring back take that? 316 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: And what year was that? 317 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: That was? What two thousand and. 318 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, how did that go down? Was it Gary, 319 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: that was like, yeah, it's time. 320 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: The boys were recording album in Los Angeles. They've just 321 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: done this tour called The Circus, and I saw the 322 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: Circus show. 323 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: And y'all had remained friends. I mean, I know you 324 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: and Gary were not close. 325 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: No, we hadn't seen each other. But they came back 326 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: and they were bigger than they were when we were 327 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: originally when we originally started, much bigger, and which blew me. 328 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 2: It was like what how? And then they did this 329 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: show called The Circus and it's one of the best 330 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: shows I've ever seen. You know, I removed myself from 331 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: anything to do with take that. Just oh my god, 332 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 2: this is effing incredible, you know, up there with you know, 333 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: my favorite shows, Blonde Ambition Tour, Prince Love, Sexy and 334 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: then I've loved The Happy Mondays and all of these 335 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: kinds of shows. But I saw this one and it 336 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: was like that exists in my favorite shows. And that 337 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: was the moment where I was like. 338 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: I want to do this again. 339 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: Do I want a bit. 340 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: Of a. 341 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 2: No no no. They came to LAM but they were 342 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 2: recording an album and we got together in a hotel 343 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: room and you know, the rest of the boys were 344 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 2: here and Gary Barlow was there, and it was just 345 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 2: like I couldn't There was so much awk, awkwardness and 346 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: things that were on said. And then we had a 347 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 2: meeting at my house a few days later and I 348 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: got to say what I needed to say, and the 349 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: rock sack full of resentments dissipated and disappeared, and instantly, 350 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: literally seconds later, there's me and Gary Barlow rolling about 351 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: on the floor laughing at something. 352 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: We've just laid kids again. Dude, It's a brotherhood. 353 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: Whatever the whatever the effort is with this crazy mixed 354 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: up family, to its truest sense, it is universal. It 355 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 2: pulls us back together. It's you know, the road is 356 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: like this, you know, it's sort of I do and 357 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 2: say things that upset and offend and you know, and 358 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 2: they'll never be a true healing of the callouses that 359 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 2: happened between us, But there is an understanding and there 360 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: is a love and there is a like, you know. 361 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I like and love all of those boys, 362 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: no matter what I've said in the deep dark past, 363 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: and no matter what happens when documentaries come out, when 364 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 2: biopics come out, and you know, there has been an 365 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: addressing of the way I thought as a sixteen year old, 366 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: seventeen year old in this biopic which is upset and 367 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: offended and which then leaves you in a place where 368 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: well that's how I saw things, then it's not how 369 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: it is now, and I need to I need to 370 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: speak and think how I spoken thought. Then Yeah, you know, 371 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: so there's always gonna be these things where I get offended, 372 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: they get offended. Overriding all of that is they are 373 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 2: my brothers, and I fucking love them, fucking love them. 374 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 1: Let's do some fan questions for I let you go 375 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: all right? From Shiner fifty two two. Was there a 376 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: song you turned down that became a hit? 377 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: No, there wasn't a song that I turned down that 378 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 2: it became a hit because I was so determined to 379 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 2: write my own songs. You know, I never looked for songs. 380 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 2: I never got on the convey about with the people 381 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 2: that the people get on the convey about with. There 382 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: is a way of collecting your songs as an artist, 383 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: and I tried to act against that and just write 384 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 2: with my mates. Yeah, now I have I'm so open 385 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: to whatever if anybody wants to pitch me songs. Now 386 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: I'm all about it, but I won't actively seek a 387 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 2: song because I want it to come from me. 388 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: What do you think about I mean people now Frankenstein 389 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: songs together. There's twenty people on one song. 390 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got. 391 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: The b verse, you got this? Oh, change this word here? 392 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? 393 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: To me, I think that's cheating totally. So what do 394 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: you think? 395 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: Look, however you get there, it's however you get there, 396 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: it's all changed, and it just you know, if the 397 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 2: song's a song and it's incredible and it's moving and 398 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 2: it's a. 399 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: Hit, A hit is a hit? Is it a hit? 400 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: Is a hit is a hit? 401 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 2: Who cares how you get there? I have no I 402 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: have no pretense anymore. I think I would have done 403 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 2: at some point going that's not right. But it you know, 404 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 2: it's like AI, It's happening. No matter what you think. 405 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: About it, accept it, accept it. 406 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: And get on board and use it to your own 407 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: advantage if you can. 408 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: Do you prefer being in the studio and writing or 409 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: being on stage. 410 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 2: I prefer being in the studio and writing, but I 411 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 2: also do tons of art. I'm drawing and creating images 412 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: every day, and you know, I'm building hotels and basements, 413 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: digging basements, by myself using my hands, have to be 414 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 2: very quiet. There is that there's so much on the 415 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 2: living in a Erica. You catch something that doesn't happen 416 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: in the UK because in the UK we like to 417 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: keep ourselves in boxes. But in America you see the 418 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: opportunity and what people are doing outside of music for themselves, 419 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 2: and I find that intoxicating. I also find that incredibly 420 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 2: creative to think from where I'm from, that I could 421 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: think up a hotel, its interiors, it's exteriors, and feel 422 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 2: what the philosophy of the hotel is, the style of 423 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: the hotel, how you want to be greeted, how you 424 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: want to be treated, and what happens. 425 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: To you there. 426 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 2: That's like writing an album. But you know, so that's 427 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: where I'm at at the minute, is that I'm in 428 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: this art world in my head and I am creating 429 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 2: things for my family that will go on long after 430 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: I'm not on this earth. 431 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: And speaking of what do you want your legacy to be? 432 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not bothered about legacy because I'll be dead, 433 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: but I do like with the economic background that I 434 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 2: come from and where I find myself, I am blessed 435 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: with opportunity. I want my children and my children's children 436 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 2: to have that opportunity and then what they do with 437 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: it is up to them. But there are I'm fifteen 438 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: next birthday, and there are things that I need to 439 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: sort out for my children's children that I haven't yet, 440 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: but I will. 441 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that you're thinking about that. 442 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: Brass Monkey Ida it wants to know what's your favorite 443 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: song to perform live? 444 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 2: Angels? Of course, I wish I could give you another answer, 445 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 2: but you know, you know those songs because you're a 446 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: performer and you know you've been on stage and those songs. 447 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: Some songs take care of themselves and some songs you 448 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: have to sell. Yeah, and when you're selling a song, 449 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 2: it can take a lot from you. And then some 450 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: songs just do the thing by itself. Bye bye bye, 451 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. Well, Angels is a 452 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 2: break for me on stage. I can switch off all 453 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 2: the engines and just let the malady and the words 454 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: and what it means to people take over. And it's 455 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 2: it's a beautiful space to be every single time I 456 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: sing it. 457 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. Speaking of Angels, Booze Mommy wants to 458 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: know what do you think of Jessica Simpson's cover of Angels. 459 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: I'll tell you a story about that, But off what 460 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: do I think about it? I think, Look, I'm honored, 461 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 2: genuinely honored that anybody chooses to cover any of my 462 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: songs and love her, and I love her version and 463 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: my story that I have got to tell you off 464 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: air is nothing to do how I have, nothing to 465 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: do with how I feel about her or it. I'm intrue, 466 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 2: I'm blessed. 467 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: I love it. What's a karaoke song? Do you do karaoke? 468 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: I don't do karaoke. I haven't done karaoke, but I 469 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: don't know. But like instantly in my head, dancing with 470 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: myself came up. I don't know why I've never sung 471 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: that at karaoke, but. 472 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: It's curious of the death of me. I can't stand 473 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: it right, It's not for me. 474 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not for me. 475 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: Last question here, Ivy Angels in Okay, will you be 476 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: back to continue your Vegas residency? 477 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 2: Maybe stranger things have happened. COVID put pay to the 478 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: Vegas residency because it was like a little a corn 479 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 2: that I was trying to build up, you know, because 480 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: I'm not Robbie Williams in North America. I know and 481 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: understand that, but there was a part of my life 482 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 2: where I cut off America as being something that I 483 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: wanted or needed because I wanted a needed anonymity more 484 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: than I needed more money and record sales. 485 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: And I felt that too. I'm like, I feel like 486 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: Robbie specifically chose America not to go touring. It that 487 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: just because you wanted a little more privacy. 488 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: Dude, I've been offered millions I can imagine to do 489 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 2: stuff here that I've turned down pre kids, before kids. Now, 490 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: if I got offered the same, ah, I would do 491 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: it in a heartbeat. But there was like, you know, 492 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: I was going to die and I was going to 493 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 2: die with what I what I was experiencing, what I 494 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: was putting myself through, And what I got to do 495 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: was be Bruce Wayne in America and Batman in the rest. 496 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: Of the world. But exactly I described it. 497 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: Right, Okay, thank you? 498 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: Well? 499 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: Well with with Vegas, it was my little bit of 500 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 2: you know, egoic Americans I can do. You know, it's 501 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: always it's always exciting when like walk just coming into 502 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 2: iHeartMedia today, I definitely felt like I'm in America doing 503 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: an American thing with Americans, and you know, so there 504 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: is then there is a grown up that's driving the 505 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: car right now, there's a lunatic in the back that goes, 506 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: I should have broken the streets, but you could have 507 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 2: would have died. 508 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: You couldn't have gone, You couldn't go anywhere in the world. 509 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 2: No, I mean, it was I'm me everywhere else apart 510 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: from China, you know, and it's worked for me. But 511 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 2: Vegas was all about planting a flag and just going 512 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: come watch this. I'm good at this now. But then 513 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: COVID came and washed away the progress, and I don't know, 514 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: stranger things have happened. I may go back. I have 515 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: no plans. 516 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: Nice the Netflix thing. You've got something coming on Netflix 517 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: to get the documentary? 518 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: Is it the Dark Series? It's a dark series. Yeah, 519 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: And I've got a biopic being made about me by 520 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 2: the guy that directed The Greatest Showman. 521 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: How involved you get to be in this one? 522 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: Well? 523 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: Incredibly invol Okay, So they okay, because some people don't 524 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: get to even be a part of their own. 525 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm I'm I'm I'm incredibly involved. 526 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: Because we get the truth. 527 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: Then well, look, you can't get the truth because I'd 528 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: be sued by so many different people. But what you 529 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 2: are getting is the essence of it and how it 530 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: felt on what it was mixed with beautiful fantasy, and 531 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,239 Speaker 2: I am. I'm super excited about what it is and 532 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 2: what it could mean for my career because we all 533 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: need the wind in our sails for different I'm still ambitious, 534 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,239 Speaker 2: I still want, I still need, I'm still searching, and 535 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: I need things like the Netflix Stuck You and I 536 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: need my biopic. I need them to be successful because 537 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: there's still so much that I I need to facilitate 538 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: for me and for my family. 539 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your main thing? What do you want? 540 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: What's my main thing? What do I want? 541 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: What do you want? Life? 542 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: Well, I have an incredible relationship with my wife, I 543 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: have incredible relationships with my kids. I have a wonderful 544 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: musical career. I want to see where I can take this. 545 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,959 Speaker 2: You know, I want to be elon. That's what I 546 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: want to do, whatever that means, because I've done all 547 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: of this by thinking I can't. What would happen if 548 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: I think I can? You know? And also, you know, 549 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 2: when I started this, I didn't know to dream bigger. 550 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 2: I didn't know, and I'm only now in my middle 551 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: age going it's dream as big as we can and 552 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 2: see what we can do. 553 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: You probably didn't think you were allowed to dream bigger 554 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: than that. 555 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 2: No, no, no, you didn't. And it's a very much 556 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: British thing too. Like I was saying before about you 557 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 2: know you stay in your box. I'm smashing the box 558 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 2: to smithereens and I'm seeing what I can create because 559 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 2: it's fun. It is fun, you know, And at the 560 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 2: end of that, there may or may not be money. 561 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 2: That is not the ultimate goal. The goal always is 562 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 2: the journey, and the goal is the creation, whether that 563 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: is creating a video or an album cover or a 564 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 2: piece of art, or a hotel or drinks or whatever 565 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: you can imagine. I am going to be doing it. 566 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're doing it for yourself, your family and 567 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: no one else. 568 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 569 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: That's great, Robbie. I'm so glad that you came on 570 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: Fross Tips. It was so great to catch up with you. 571 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: I've learned so much. You're an incredible artist and I 572 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: can't wait to see this next chapter because I know 573 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: you are going to become an Eli Lusk out there, 574 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: and I can't wait to see what you're doing, because 575 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: you're going to support you so much and lots of 576 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: fun things to do together. 577 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 2: And exactly and the same thing. It's like, I don't 578 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: know you and we bumped into each other a few times, 579 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: but I've always had an affection for who I think 580 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 2: you are, and now I know you are the person 581 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: that I feel affection for. 582 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: Say, Robbie will love you so much. Please tell your 583 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: fans whatever you'd like to tell them right now, because man, 584 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: people have been dying for you to come on the shop. 585 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's that thing when you're on stage 586 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: and people say it and it becomes you know. You know, 587 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: I'm very, very grateful for what I have, and but 588 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 2: I've never been more acutely aware of how supported I've 589 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 2: been through my deepest, darkest moments on the planet there 590 00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 2: where I've had no self worth whatsoever, where I I 591 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 2: think that I am dog's mess. You know, literally, there 592 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: has always been a little in this river of life 593 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 2: that can often be torrential and wants to sort of 594 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 2: wipe you away to infinity and obscurity and smash you 595 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 2: into a million pieces. I've always had this hand on 596 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 2: a route coming from the side of the bank, and 597 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 2: that route has always been the people that come and 598 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 2: see me and sing my songs and shower me with 599 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 2: love because they've they've you know, because of them, I've 600 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 2: gleaned self worth when I've had none. So when people 601 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,959 Speaker 2: say I love my fans, it can feel. 602 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: Hollow. 603 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 2: I express it in that way, so I know people 604 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 2: know that I mean it. You know, I'm very grateful 605 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: that I've had their support. 606 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: They're a beautiful life flying through all of our ups 607 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: and downs in our career for sure. And we love 608 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: you all all right, Robbie, thank you so much. Thank 609 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: you all right, guys, that is all the show I 610 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: have for you. Thank you so much for listening. Jay Dizzle, 611 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: nice to have you back, buddy, always nice to be here. Well, 612 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: anytime Michael is gone, you're gonna have to fight our 613 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: favorite Bob to get back out. I'll do it anytime, Okay. 614 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: Our favorite Bob, which is one of our peanuts on 615 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: the show, is your biggest family. Huge, oh huge. He 616 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: was supposed to be here, but unfortunately how to go 617 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: to New York, so he is like killing himself. Oh well, 618 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: I oh, guys, all right, guys be going to each 619 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: other out there. Don't drink and drive, take care of 620 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: those animals, and remember stay frosted. 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