Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal ull.
Speaker 2: That for me. I'm a man, I'm for I've heard
Speaker 2: so many players say, well, I want to be happy.
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Speaker 2: Woof?
Speaker 1: And then and tie.
Speaker 2: Dan Robinstein. It is the last week of the regular season.
Speaker 2: We did a part one for Rivalry Week back on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: We've got a part two coming everybody's way right now,
Speaker 2: Rivalry Week Part dua, thank you, Thanksgiving in the good
Speaker 2: old us of a a busy week in the forballer hood,
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Speaker 1: I looked at the document because we did part one
Speaker 1: for all of the pre Saturday action. I looked at
Speaker 1: part two, which is just Saturday, and I just said
Speaker 1: to myself, too many bangers, too many games, too much
Speaker 1: greatness on the line, too much emotion. How do we
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Speaker 1: I like that you said if you're amongst the people,
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Speaker 2: the verboler hood. Last, but certainly not least playruntheboard dot com.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a big in this week.
Speaker 2: It is sixteen rivalry games, all of which have a
Speaker 2: cool nickname or a cool trophy.
Speaker 1: Play rundboard dot com.
Speaker 2: We'll give you more intel on how to get in
Speaker 2: on that game. We have not determined what the prize
Speaker 2: is going to be yet. Yeah, and it was actually
Speaker 2: kind of fun last week to just sort of throw
Speaker 2: random thoughts out there and then weave them together in
Speaker 2: the end. So I have taken on that burden as
Speaker 2: you are thinking up Dan, what would make sense to
Speaker 2: use as a prize in week fourteen. Just throw the
Speaker 2: word out. I will find a way to weave them
Speaker 2: together in the end. We'll give out a gift card
Speaker 2: or something fun.
Speaker 1: You send me a link to something called an adult
Speaker 1: swing and I did not. I did not say that.
Speaker 1: My computer is telling me that it is is a
Speaker 1: very specific kind of recreational device. I don't know what
Speaker 1: kind of STU appropriate you're googling over there in Chicago.
Speaker 1: But Joyce, I have no idea what that. I did
Speaker 1: not know where that came from. I did not send
Speaker 1: that to you.
Speaker 2: My mother is listening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where are we going? Where are we going, So
Speaker 1: we have to come up with the prize as we're going.
Speaker 1: You know that makes sense in alignment with our conversation.
Speaker 2: It's our big pickup game. Yeah, yeah, we'll come up
Speaker 2: with We'll come up with some word association here. The
Speaker 2: deeper we get into this thing, Dan, it is rivalry
Speaker 2: week this week, which does mean only one thing. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna let you do the honors. If you are ever
Speaker 2: so inclined.
Speaker 3: Ty, you have got to throw the records out, Dom
Speaker 3: out the window, dow them out the window, get them
Speaker 3: out of here.
Speaker 2: More and more coaches every year, every year now some
Speaker 2: of these coach pressers that we see in the build
Speaker 2: up to Rivalry Week, coaches start talking about, look, you
Speaker 2: gotta throw the record.
Speaker 1: You just got to throw the records out. Was it
Speaker 1: Jeff Brahm? This year somebody said everybody.
Speaker 2: Somebody sent me a tweet saying, look, you just got
Speaker 2: to throw the records out in this rivalry?
Speaker 1: Yeah you do. Who's Northampton High's rival? The Catasauqua Rough Riders.
Speaker 1: I'll get out of here. Rough got calbas A Girl High,
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Oh my god, I think that's where Clay
Speaker 1: Matthews went yeah, I believe you know who went to
Speaker 1: my high school. Who's that? Nobody? Nobody, not even the
Speaker 1: famed early two thousands alt rock group Incubis. No.
Speaker 2: No, we had Jim Druckey Miller, we had Brian Schneider,
Speaker 2: we had Denny Oncott's back in the day, but otherwise
Speaker 2: we had no.
Speaker 1: No, we had we had Tapanga from Boy Meets World
Speaker 1: and Jesse Spano from Saved by the Bell and Jim Rome. No,
Speaker 1: we don't have anybody of merit and me and used.
Speaker 2: So look, throw out the records. It is rivalry week.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go through all of these and much much
Speaker 2: more before we do, though, just because we are interested
Speaker 2: in being completists, not gonna yell. We have new college
Speaker 2: football playoff rankings. We talked about the for Baller top
Speaker 2: twelve on the last episode. Here is the actual top
Speaker 2: twelve per the powers that be, if that's something you
Speaker 2: care about, all right, Oregon, Ohio State, Texas one, two, three,
Speaker 2: Penn State still holding on at four.
Speaker 1: Over Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: Notre Dame hanging on over number six, Miami number seven, eight,
Speaker 2: nine are Georgia, Tennessee and SMU cracking the top ten.
Speaker 1: Good for them.
Speaker 2: Yes, Tennessee drops or excuse me, Indiana drops below Tennessee
Speaker 2: and below SMU to number ten, Boise at number eleven,
Speaker 2: Clemson clet'son up five now to number twelve. The first
Speaker 2: four out per this ranking system are number thirteen Alabama,
Speaker 2: number fourteen, Old Miss number fifteen in South Carolina, number sixteen,
Speaker 2: Arizona State. Then and your reaction to this, do we
Speaker 2: gloss over it?
Speaker 1: Do we move on?
Speaker 2: Obviously this is going to get a little bit weird
Speaker 2: after this weekend, will it not?
Speaker 1: Oh, it will get weird. But this is basically our
Speaker 1: moment to say, through what are we at through thirteen weeks? Yeah,
Speaker 1: of data points, this is where the committee has landed,
Speaker 1: and so we typically have said, you know, most famously
Speaker 1: like when TCU was in the top four a decade
Speaker 1: ago and they destroy Kansas and do nothing to say
Speaker 1: that they're not a top four team, but they get
Speaker 1: jumped over, they get leapt over whatever by Ohio State
Speaker 1: that year. I believe that you're like, well, what did
Speaker 1: this team do that was so bad? In the case
Speaker 1: of Clemson at twelve, it's particularly interesting because they have
Speaker 1: a high profile opponent, they have an opportunity to cement
Speaker 1: themselves as a top twelve team by that game in Clemson, right, yep,
Speaker 1: that's correct, by beating a headline rival, and it at
Speaker 1: least sets up the possibility that the ACC is going
Speaker 1: to get a couple teams in, which has been a
Speaker 1: question with the ACC and the Big twelve ACC More,
Speaker 1: I would argue with, you know, now three ACC teams
Speaker 1: in the top twelve heading into the final week. So
Speaker 1: that's interesting to me. And so yeah, just in all
Speaker 1: of these it sets up the idea with Boise State.
Speaker 1: Now we still have conference championship weekend, of course, but
Speaker 1: with Boise State where they are, with SMU where they are,
Speaker 1: with Tennessee where they are, and most of these teams
Speaker 1: where they are that are you know, angling for an
Speaker 1: at large bid that this is a significant statement by
Speaker 1: the committee heading into rivalry weekend. They're like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is how we view this team after you know, eleven games,
Speaker 1: and that should mean probably more than a single data point,
Speaker 1: but we'll.
Speaker 2: See, we'll see. The Other thing that I think is
Speaker 2: of interest if you look at this, Arizona State is
Speaker 2: at sixteen. Also, yes, interesting, it is the highest ranked
Speaker 2: Big twelve team per this ranking set. How that changes
Speaker 2: by beating Arizona. I don't know if it changes much
Speaker 2: by beating Arizona. Arizona's pretty bad. There could be teams
Speaker 2: in front of ASU that lose that essentially helped to
Speaker 2: move up their standing within this ranking. The Big twelve
Speaker 2: is in really interesting territory. I think you're probably looking
Speaker 2: at a win in a conference championship game that would
Speaker 2: move Arizona State up a little bit more and would
Speaker 2: insulate them perhaps from somebody like a two lane.
Speaker 1: ASU at sixteen. It's Iowa State at eighteen. So either way,
Speaker 1: if if the Big Twelve championship ends with Iowa State
Speaker 1: beating Arizona State, somebody who felt pretty damn good about
Speaker 1: being in this twelve team field is being booted. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And furthermore, TWU Lane is at seventeen in the rankings.
Speaker 2: And so the place going with this is the way
Speaker 2: that the rules are set up. Your only guaranteed spots
Speaker 2: are for the top five ranked conference champions right by
Speaker 2: it does not specify that they have to be Power
Speaker 2: Conference right victors.
Speaker 1: So there is at least a.
Speaker 2: Slim chance, and I don't think it's likely, but there
Speaker 2: is a slim chance that a team like al Tulane
Speaker 2: could sneak in ahead of a Big twelve champion depending
Speaker 2: on how things go this weekend, right, I mean a
Speaker 2: lot can go wrong, a lot ca and go hay wire.
Speaker 2: The Big twelve is already kind of in this blender,
Speaker 2: but just something to kind of file away in the
Speaker 2: back of your mind. Tulane sitting there at nine and two,
Speaker 2: they are only two losses to Power Conference opponents. They've
Speaker 2: been playing pretty well. There's a real chance here if
Speaker 2: things really get hay wire this weekend, if Tulane goes
Speaker 2: on to beat Army for that American title, that they
Speaker 2: could end up sniping that final spot.
Speaker 1: We'll see. I'm also I was curious as for Texas
Speaker 1: A and M's rank because Texas A and M losing
Speaker 1: and quadruple overtime I'm on the road to Auburn. They
Speaker 1: sit at twenty. Yeah, and so now we talk about
Speaker 1: the potential, albeit a low chance, but a chance, a
Speaker 1: potential leapfrog situation of Texas A and M at home,
Speaker 1: beating Texas and beating Georgia in the SEC Championship game,
Speaker 1: and the SEC potentially not getting a first round by
Speaker 1: if Boise is taking care of business and finishes the
Speaker 1: season at twelve and one. Yep, and keep they keep
Speaker 1: moving up with you know, teams ahead of them losing whatever.
Speaker 1: I guess that that would well, that's what would stand
Speaker 1: in the SEC's way of getting that by right, it's wild.
Speaker 2: Man, I tell you there there are some real interesting
Speaker 2: scenarios here.
Speaker 1: Because I don't think it'll be two lane standing in
Speaker 1: their way. Probably not.
Speaker 2: It probably won't. We have gotten to the point now, though,
Speaker 2: where there are a limited number of games that can
Speaker 2: give you that upward mobility and a limited number of
Speaker 2: teams that actually have upward mobility.
Speaker 1: Given what's left.
Speaker 2: Obviously, if you're not playing a conference championship game, you
Speaker 2: got to show out this weekend. The other thing that
Speaker 2: I did want to point out Dan before we move on,
Speaker 2: the coaching carousel is starting to spin now, and North
Speaker 2: Carolina has made.
Speaker 1: The move on Mac Brown.
Speaker 2: Mac Brown, notably, a couple of weeks ago, said he
Speaker 2: wasn't going anywhere. This followed reports from earlier in the
Speaker 2: season after that James Madison game where he kind of
Speaker 2: offered to resign if it would be helpful, and then
Speaker 2: everybody had his back. Mac didn't have any imminent plans
Speaker 2: to walk away. North Carolina has other ideas. North Carolina
Speaker 2: is going to move on from Mac Brown. He's going
Speaker 2: to coach this weekend against NC State. It's unclear right
Speaker 2: now if he's going to be in the bowl game
Speaker 2: or not. I would just call this out simply because
Speaker 2: right now North Carolina is the top Power job on
Speaker 2: the board, and I wonder if that's the reason they
Speaker 2: made the move, if they are kind of the darling
Speaker 2: job that is available right now at the Power five ranks,
Speaker 2: Power four.
Speaker 1: Ranks, right, and it's the only one right. I believe
Speaker 1: he won, So it's both. It's also the worst available
Speaker 1: Power Conference job available. It's possible, Yeah, yeah, it's possible.
Speaker 2: But the fact that they are on the board early
Speaker 2: trying to court some others who might be interested, I
Speaker 2: think is intriguing and puts UNC in a spot that
Speaker 2: I can't ever remember them being in. We'll see what
Speaker 2: they decide to do. But if you are either a
Speaker 2: lower level Power whatever coach looking to move up, if
Speaker 2: you're a G five looking to move up, if you're
Speaker 2: a hot coordinator looking to move up, UNC is out there.
Speaker 2: UNC is the name on the board right now. That
Speaker 2: is courting any and all who are interested, So we'll
Speaker 2: see which direction they end up going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw Bruce mentioned John Summral in his first
Speaker 1: year at Tulane, Jamie Chadwell who's been pretty successful at
Speaker 1: Liberty now after his coastal time. Glenn Schuman is going
Speaker 1: to come up in these jobs because of how many
Speaker 1: games he has won as an assistant and coordinator. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith came up because he's a North Carolina guy
Speaker 1: and weirdly enough, they're like and his dad is super
Speaker 1: loaded as a fed X. Yeah, there's a lot interesting there.
Speaker 1: It's a very good job. It is a good job.
Speaker 2: Let's get to rivalry week though, are you ready ready?
Speaker 2: Let's do it?
Speaker 1: Yah, time they need the week.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to short change any games this week
Speaker 2: because we've got so many great rivalries. We are still
Speaker 2: going to do our big games at the top. We're
Speaker 2: going to do our part to rattle off all the
Speaker 2: big name rivalries, the ones with the cool trophies, all
Speaker 2: the stuff that you actually care about. So if we
Speaker 2: do a little bit more rapid fire when we get
Speaker 2: to Quad Fathers in that segment, forgive us. We want
Speaker 2: to make sure we give every rivalry it's due this week.
Speaker 2: If you're cool with that, Dan Ruis.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course we do need to start though with
Speaker 1: the one they call the game. Yeah, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: of course the game.
Speaker 2: Maybe the game isn't quite as big of a game
Speaker 2: in terms of national relevance as it was a year ago,
Speaker 2: but the game is still the game. It's at high noon,
Speaker 2: it's on Fox.
Speaker 1: It is Michigan at Ohio State, Ohio State.
Speaker 2: Playing another noon game.
Speaker 1: This is when they play there.
Speaker 2: Of course they are Ohio State favored by twenty one
Speaker 2: at home. And look, did you see what Ryan Day
Speaker 2: had to say about this game?
Speaker 1: I think he basically said, losing this game has been
Speaker 1: the worst experience of his life, short of like things
Speaker 1: happening with his family, So short.
Speaker 2: Of losing his father, he says, losing this game has
Speaker 2: been the worst thing that has happened to him and
Speaker 2: his family. Yes, which seems like a lot personally, seems
Speaker 2: like a lot.
Speaker 1: But this is Michigan, Ohio State. Whether or not that
Speaker 1: is a good thing to have in our world. That
Speaker 1: you are devastated to the point of emotional destruction annually
Speaker 1: over this game. Whether you're a fan of coach, a player,
Speaker 1: or whatever. That's the reality. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I want to know from Ohio State people, does it
Speaker 2: make you feel better to hear him say that or
Speaker 2: does it make you wonder if the coach has a
Speaker 2: screw loose?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's all. I think both can be sort of true.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody doubts. I don't think any like
Speaker 1: rational college football fan feels as if their coach is
Speaker 1: not taking an incredibly huge, storied rivalry seriously and personally.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how much better it makes you feel.
Speaker 1: The only thing that makes you feel better is winning.
Speaker 2: To that end, Michigan has won the last three they have,
Speaker 2: as you might expect, effectively driven Ohio State Ryan Day
Speaker 2: a little bit crazy, and to an extent, this entire
Speaker 2: offseason was about loading up to beat Michigan right, even
Speaker 2: if Ohio State bombs out of the playoffs, which who knows,
Speaker 2: depends on their pathway through this season. On some level,
Speaker 2: is going to be judged by did beat Michigan? Did
Speaker 2: break the stream right? And they are a healthy favorite
Speaker 2: to do that. So I guess from the Michigan side,
Speaker 2: given where they have been this season, some of the
Speaker 2: obvious flaws that this team has that we know about
Speaker 2: at this point, is the best case scenario look ahead
Speaker 2: spot for Ohio State with a likely game against Oregon
Speaker 2: on deck next week.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just not living in reality to think
Speaker 1: that in any capacity Ohio State's looking past Michigan.
Speaker 2: I don't think they are. I think that is foolish
Speaker 2: to assume as much. I am trying to craft the
Speaker 2: universe in which Michigan actually has a chance to win
Speaker 2: this game. Oh, sure, that was what I came up with.
Speaker 2: There's a look ahead spot. The defense muddies it up,
Speaker 2: they keep it close, basically due to Ohio State when
Speaker 2: Nebraska did to Ohio State the week before the Penn
Speaker 2: State game.
Speaker 1: Sure take advantage of a line that is beat up
Speaker 1: and has shuffled bodies around, that has held up I
Speaker 1: think in past blocking and past protection.
Speaker 2: Enormous stretch to me, Dan, Okay, I'm not saying I
Speaker 2: buy this.
Speaker 1: I am trying.
Speaker 2: Is there another universe that you can craft that gives
Speaker 2: Michigan the over Ohio State for the forty Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean it's just a Will must Champ game, that's
Speaker 1: all it is. I mean, the it's very easy to
Speaker 1: not see happening, but it's very easy to sort of
Speaker 1: imagine how it happens. And let's just turnovers and special
Speaker 1: teams and freak plays. And you know, Davis Warren hasn't
Speaker 1: been all that good of a quarterback for a very
Speaker 1: disappointing passing attack, but he hits a screen that you know,
Speaker 1: Mullings or whoever take for eighty three yards randomly. That's
Speaker 1: uncharacteristic of Ohio State's defense. But this is college football.
Speaker 1: Freak plays happened, freak results, you know, crazy close games happen.
Speaker 1: Bad weather affects things. It's going to be freezing across
Speaker 1: the Midwest, below freezing across the Midwest. I don't know
Speaker 1: how that affects things. Likely not these teams practicing this
Speaker 1: and training this all year long. But yeah, you just
Speaker 1: it's your game simmed one hundred times. This thing only
Speaker 1: happens three times out of one hundred.
Speaker 2: I'm just not sure where the points are coming from
Speaker 2: for Michigan. Sure, I feel like a broken record. I've
Speaker 2: said that time and again here against better teams. The
Speaker 2: offense at this point is pretty telegraphed, and they are
Speaker 2: not the dominant ground team. That they've been over the
Speaker 2: last couple of seasons, and you know, you could say, okay, well,
Speaker 2: Indiana did get something going on the ground against Ohio State,
Speaker 2: which is true to an extent.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: But Indiana also had a deep passing game, and I
Speaker 2: think the Buck guys are far more interested in that
Speaker 2: side of their offense. That's why they took it away.
Speaker 2: They were content to let them run runtil they're blue
Speaker 2: in the face. Didn't match right, Just don't beat us
Speaker 2: deep with the pass, don't inch your way back in
Speaker 2: on the back of Curtis work. I don't know where
Speaker 2: the points coming from from Michigan. It seems like an
Speaker 2: entirely different situation. I think Ohio State clearly far and
Speaker 2: away as a better team. I think if they can,
Speaker 2: they're going to run it up, and I think they
Speaker 2: might have the chance. So I've got this one at
Speaker 2: thirty five thirteen, Buck guys, I've got a big win.
Speaker 2: I've got a close cover. I think they break the
Speaker 2: streak here, start a new one on their own. Thirty
Speaker 2: five thirteens. My final forty five to thirteen.
Speaker 1: Wow, I think it's limb from limb. I think you
Speaker 1: have exercise demons you leave in starters, even though Ohio
Speaker 1: State will have played a bunch of weeks in a
Speaker 1: row and a bunch of big games in a row
Speaker 1: starting with last week and in Indiana, And I don't
Speaker 1: think there's real hangover just because there's no inspiration. You
Speaker 1: don't need to get up extra early. You don't need
Speaker 1: to pinch yourself to get excited for Ohio State Michigan.
Speaker 1: So yes, exercise demons. It's a Herbrook style again again
Speaker 1: because it's in Columbus and so yeah, I short of
Speaker 1: Michigan overwhelming Ohio State's offensive line, which maybe they will
Speaker 1: at times, maybe they'll get to Will Howard a little bit,
Speaker 1: claps and pockets with those defensive linemen, they're good on
Speaker 1: the edge. Michigan did score fifty without any sort of
Speaker 1: consistent downfield passing last week against Northwestern, So that's a
Speaker 1: skill that you know, could they score thirty against Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I don't see it happening, But it's a skill to
Speaker 1: score fifty without a downfield passing attack.
Speaker 2: Look, there is a school of thought that Michigan could
Speaker 2: just keep doing what it's done the last three years.
Speaker 2: Sure that now, I don't think their line is as good.
Speaker 2: I don't think, as they said, they're a dominant ground
Speaker 2: team as they have been.
Speaker 1: Noel Johnson like, yeah, there's just.
Speaker 2: But there's there's a school of thought and I've seen
Speaker 2: it discussed online. Don't subscribe to this that Michigan like,
Speaker 2: why why change it if it ain't broke, Just try
Speaker 2: and do the same thing that they have done and
Speaker 2: beat their brains in make the game muddy. It would
Speaker 2: have to be a close win, but just do that again, improve,
Speaker 2: make Ohio State prove that they can stop it this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they have to get off the field
Speaker 1: on third or fourth and short always like Nebraska was
Speaker 1: able to do. Like when Ohio State has had a
Speaker 1: slowdown on offense, they haven't been able to convert some
Speaker 1: of those higher leverage moments early on in games. Anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it would take. It would take Michigan winning
Speaker 1: seventeen thirteen, twenty to seventeen something. It's just wild that,
Speaker 1: you know, there's maybe out of nowhere, there's crazy gusts
Speaker 1: of wind sustained wins that completely slow down Ohio State
Speaker 1: through the air. Again, this is how you have to
Speaker 1: construct it, because otherwise, if it's just a straight up
Speaker 1: back and forth. It favors Ohio State immensely forty five
Speaker 1: to thirteen.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not going to dive into wild hypotheticals with
Speaker 2: this one. Just know there are some wild hypotheticals if
Speaker 2: Ohio State were to lose here.
Speaker 1: Okay, if in the event that Ohio State loses, Penn
Speaker 1: State is in the conference championship game.
Speaker 2: Penn State's of the Conference championship game, Ohio State drops
Speaker 2: in the polls, I think they would have to be
Speaker 2: slotted somewhere in front of Indiana starts to question whether
Speaker 2: Indiana gets in, starts like it.
Speaker 1: It sets off a whole.
Speaker 2: Chain reaction of other questions, not the least of which
Speaker 2: is what happens to Ryan Day after the season?
Speaker 1: Okay, what happens to Ryan Day. It's not a great loss.
Speaker 1: If Ohio State lose now Michigan in terms of where
Speaker 1: Michigan has been here.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just I don't want to go there, because
Speaker 2: this is this is inventing stuff out of thin air.
Speaker 2: But just know that there are a whole other series,
Speaker 2: a whole other universe of weird possibilities that will show
Speaker 2: its ugly face should Ohio State lose this one, but
Speaker 2: we throw out the records in the rivalry. I'm taking
Speaker 2: this game kind of in a vacuum, and I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to assume too much one way or another other
Speaker 2: than what we have seen this season, which is Michigan
Speaker 2: on offense is no boyno. So we'll see yep three
Speaker 2: thirty on Fox Territorial Cup Dan Yes, Arizona playing host
Speaker 2: to nine and two Arizona State. Arizona State trying to
Speaker 2: get to ten and two. They are a eight point
Speaker 2: five point favorite. This is a big game for ASU,
Speaker 2: to say the least. Arizona one by thirty six a
Speaker 2: year ago. They've actually won the last two. This season,
Speaker 2: Arizona has been the second worst FBS team against the spread,
Speaker 2: so they have not been good at covering at all. ASU,
Speaker 2: though has almost exclusively played in one score games against
Speaker 2: teams from power conferences, they have not been out there
Speaker 2: separating themselves in any kind of impressive capacity. So feels
Speaker 2: like something's got to give here. Arizona very bad against
Speaker 2: the spread. Arizona State not necessarily the team you want
Speaker 2: to rely on when the point spread is greater than
Speaker 2: a touchdown.
Speaker 1: And Arizona State coming off of an enormous, enormous, emotional
Speaker 1: last second whatever you want to call the Kenny Dillingham
Speaker 1: on field freak out, horrible clock management, crowd rushes the
Speaker 1: field twice moment. I'm going to go ASU here same.
Speaker 2: Arizona is capital B bad, and I wonder how much
Speaker 2: they've got left in the tank at this point.
Speaker 1: They've had no tank this year, They've had no tank.
Speaker 2: They're really limited on offense with how they can beat you.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's noa fafita, It's team Mac.
Speaker 1: It's team Mac orbust. Yeah, and even that has not
Speaker 1: been a winning formula. It's been winning for everybody being
Speaker 1: able to ooh and ah over team axibility, but hasn't
Speaker 1: translated to the.
Speaker 2: Rud blocking has not been good for Arizona either. It's
Speaker 2: just been very very one dimensional.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can see a scenario in which Arizona State goes
Speaker 2: limb from WIM and beats them by forty. I am
Speaker 2: not banking on that. I'm going to take a much
Speaker 2: more responsible approach here and say it's something like thirty
Speaker 2: one to twenty somewhere in that neighborhood. I think ASU
Speaker 2: gets the road win there is that question about what
Speaker 2: they've got left given somewhat down potential. But I just
Speaker 2: feel like they are playing with a full head of
Speaker 2: steam right now. And outside of maybe Kansas, Arizona State's
Speaker 2: probably the team in the Big twelve that nobody wants
Speaker 2: to play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have thirty five seventeen as it's not like
Speaker 1: ASU is getting on a plane. This isn't Notre Dame
Speaker 1: USC or Oregon Washington where you're getting on a plane
Speaker 1: to play your arrival. I believe Oregon Washington would be
Speaker 1: getting on a plane, but certainly Notre Dame US. So
Speaker 1: you've taken buses two hours down the road, so this
Speaker 1: isn't crazy in terms of travel. Even if there's a
Speaker 1: letdown effect, you get right up because it's a territorial
Speaker 1: cup and ASU smells blood in the water. Kenny Dillingham
Speaker 1: rightfully so is absolutely ruthless. And this is a big
Speaker 1: recruiting spot, of course, and there's absolutely blood in the
Speaker 1: water with Arizona as one of this year's elite losers.
Speaker 1: So I have ASU.
Speaker 2: Big also at three point thirty. This one on ABC
Speaker 2: this year, not CBS. Yeah, it's taken a little bit
Speaker 2: of getting used to not gonna lie. It is Auburn
Speaker 2: at five and six, It is Alabama at eight and three.
Speaker 2: Bama is an eleven and a half point favorite in
Speaker 2: the Iron Bowl.
Speaker 1: This game.
Speaker 2: More often than not, more often than not, has.
Speaker 1: Very weird energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, weird things that have happened with respect to this game. Now,
Speaker 2: Bama's won the last four Since twenty eighteen, this game
Speaker 2: has alternated between being a blowout and being a close
Speaker 2: Alabama win. Yeah, last year it was twenty seven to
Speaker 2: twenty four Alabama. So if the pattern holds, then we'd
Speaker 2: be looking at a blowout this year. The point spread
Speaker 2: is saying blowout. The pointspread at eleven and a half
Speaker 2: is saying double digits.
Speaker 1: What is Dan Rubinstein saying? I have Alabama covering this
Speaker 1: and I went back and forth. I don't think they'd
Speaker 1: cover whatever it would be on the road eight nine
Speaker 1: points against Auburn, but there is something and look Auburn
Speaker 1: players as exhausted as they are after last week's quadruple
Speaker 1: overtime win. It's also kind of a proof of concept
Speaker 1: that Auburn can finish and hang with a perceived superior team.
Speaker 1: So I'm not discounting that. I just think an on
Speaker 1: Alabama as evidenced against I guess it was Drew Pine
Speaker 1: missoo or against LSU, and on Alabama, if they're able
Speaker 1: to game plan something that isn't just Jalen Milroe Jalen
Speaker 1: Milroe left and right, that they can put up points,
Speaker 1: that they can get stops that Peyton Thorn, for as
Speaker 1: fun as some of his bigger throws this year have been,
Speaker 1: is still pretty turnover prone and on the road in
Speaker 1: the Iron Bowl. Even with Peyton Thorn nearly beating Alabama
Speaker 1: last year, I just think if Alabama is kind of on,
Speaker 1: they win this game by twenty. If they're fully off
Speaker 1: once again and they are down on themselves and Kaylen
Speaker 1: de Boor is not able to get this team up
Speaker 1: after last week's lost to Oklahoma, that says more about
Speaker 1: Kaylen de Boor. But what's this dude's record in November.
Speaker 1: What's this dude's track record and getting teams up for
Speaker 1: really huge rivalry games late in the season. Man, it's
Speaker 1: really good. I could not disagree with you more on
Speaker 1: this pick. Auburn's my home dog.
Speaker 2: Of the wink Wow, the Yokos home dog of the week.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not going to act like I'm crazy about Auburn.
Speaker 1: Okay, they were good last week. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The main thing for me is that Auburn's got a
Speaker 2: solid defense and Alabama's offense feels.
Speaker 1: Very telegraphed at times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very Jalen Milroe centric. That's part of why
Speaker 2: we liked Oklahoma last week, was it not? It is
Speaker 2: good defense against an offense that's entirely dependent on one player.
Speaker 2: I think Auburn can ugly it up. I think they
Speaker 2: can do enough on offense to keep it within striking distance.
Speaker 2: I think again, this is something like twenty seven to
Speaker 2: twenty four Alabama. I would not be surprised to Auburn
Speaker 2: won this game out right. This just feels to me
Speaker 2: like a good spot for Auburn. They want they absolutely
Speaker 2: want to get Bull eligible. They need this one to
Speaker 2: get Bull eligible. It's on the road at Tuscalosa, which
Speaker 2: is not an easy place to play by any stretch.
Speaker 2: But this rivalry tends to be real weird.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I see a close game here. I will happily take
Speaker 2: eleven and a half points.
Speaker 1: They scored seven points against Vanderbilt like three weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, it doesn't always need to make
Speaker 2: sense though in the Iron.
Speaker 1: Bowl, and getting up for Vandy is different than getting
Speaker 1: up for Alabama. I am still track record with. If
Speaker 1: you have the quarterback advantage, which I think Alabama still does, sure,
Speaker 1: if you have the head coaching advantage, which to me
Speaker 1: Alabama still does. You're playing at home, and while the
Speaker 1: Auburn defense has gotten to be at times scary good
Speaker 1: and love Jarquez Hunter, if you have a quarterback who
Speaker 1: is to this extent a wild card with turnovers, I
Speaker 1: can't get on board. I get it.
Speaker 2: I understand the logic.
Speaker 1: I'm either going to be crazy right or crazy wrong,
Speaker 1: with almost nothing in between. This is just a much.
Speaker 2: More flawed Alabama team than we are used to. I agree,
Speaker 2: and it is somewhat telegraphed.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It is highly dependent on Jalen Milroe to go out
Speaker 2: there and make a play. And if we know it,
Speaker 2: certainly a team like Auburn with a good defense also
Speaker 2: knows it. Agree, they've seen all the tape now they
Speaker 2: know I don't know. Twenty seven to twenty four Alabama,
Speaker 2: all right, we disagree, but stay in the three point
Speaker 2: thirty block. They call it the Battle for the Jewels. Shalela.
Speaker 1: It's on CBS.
Speaker 2: Still taking some time to get used to that. Notre
Speaker 2: Dame ten and one minus seven and a half points
Speaker 2: on the road at USC. USC sitting at six and
Speaker 2: five Notre Dame one by twenty eight last year. This year,
Speaker 2: it's winning in the new playoff format. We just talked
Speaker 2: about the rankings earlier. Their fifth A win gets them
Speaker 2: a home playoff game in all likelihood. It depends on seeding,
Speaker 2: depends where things shake out, probably as a five to
Speaker 2: six seventh seed somewhere in that neighborhood they end up
Speaker 2: hosting a playoff game. Depends where you look, depends on
Speaker 2: your projections. Some have them against SMU, Others have them
Speaker 2: against Boise. I've seen some against Tennessee. It varies pretty
Speaker 2: widely right now because we just are grasping. But we
Speaker 2: will see what happens if and when they end up
Speaker 2: winning this game. But they got to win this one first.
Speaker 1: Da Oh great.
Speaker 2: I've been surprised at your level of confidence regarding Notre
Speaker 2: Dame in this matchup. You seem to be fully sold
Speaker 2: on Notre Dame beating USC because you're fully out on
Speaker 2: SC You've sold on c stock.
Speaker 1: Yes, and no, I took a more ten thousand foot
Speaker 1: view of Notre Dame in their schedule. True road games
Speaker 1: have they played this year? Like two late three A
Speaker 1: and M and Georgia Tech. I want to.
Speaker 2: Say Georgia Tech was in Atlanta in Atlanta, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they played Purdue, they played obviously then and M
Speaker 2: game to start the year. They've played other games away
Speaker 2: from home that neutral site. But in terms of true
Speaker 2: road games, you've only been two, right.
Speaker 1: And how many let's call it decent quarterbacks have they
Speaker 1: faced this year? One in Tyler Shock probably, Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean Notre Dame schedule is benched Mac benched and bad
Speaker 1: Mac decent. Tyler Shock not good at Stanford back up
Speaker 1: at Georgia Tech. That was Pyron, right, that's his name.
Speaker 1: Navy not a thrower, Florida State not good, Virginia not good.
Speaker 1: Army not a thrower, right. I just don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it's weird to go this far into the season,
Speaker 1: and maybe people would argue like this is Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Every year, join a conference, cowards, blah blah blah. But
Speaker 1: we just don't have a con Notre Dame down their
Speaker 1: best corner defense irrefutably strong. They're performing as a good
Speaker 1: defense should against this schedule. USC has been winning in
Speaker 1: every fourth quarter, right. I saw the stat today that
Speaker 1: they're one of five or six teams to have won
Speaker 1: in every fourth quarter, and they've lost five games and
Speaker 1: the other five or six teams have combined to lose bot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've led every fourth quarter. They've led every fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Something ridiculous. Yeah. USC is nothing if not a competitive
Speaker 1: weekly team who is prone to gacking away games at
Speaker 1: the end, better at home games in LA. I'm taking
Speaker 1: points here, No, I am taking points here. If there's
Speaker 1: something USC gives up, it's big passes. If there's something
Speaker 1: Notre Dame doesn't do, it's generate, consistent, successful downfield passes.
Speaker 1: Now Ryle Leonard's gotten better, they've become a more efficient
Speaker 1: complete offense, but there's not a consistent deep threat element
Speaker 1: to this offense. And maybe that's just because they haven't
Speaker 1: had to do it, because they just stomp everybody. I
Speaker 1: think USC loses this game. The score of the spread
Speaker 1: once again is seven, seven and a half. I got
Speaker 1: it at Yeah. I think it's a close loss for SC.
Speaker 1: It's something in the range of twenty seven to twenty three,
Speaker 1: because that's kind of SCSMO. This kind they'll be winning
Speaker 1: twenty three to twenty with eight and a half minutes left,
Speaker 1: give up a touchdown and Mayova throws a backbreaking pick
Speaker 1: or something in the end zone late. I only managed
Speaker 1: nineteen against UCLA last week, by the way.
Speaker 2: I started from that point. Yeah, I started from that point,
Speaker 2: and I tried to convince myself. Otherwise, I try to
Speaker 2: convince myself because you know, my inclination will be to
Speaker 2: go points here, absolutely no points here. Rivalry, game, crive
Speaker 2: and cross country a lot riding on at USC, if
Speaker 2: nothing more. Has been plucky against some better teams on
Speaker 2: their schedule, almost beat Pen State. They probably should have
Speaker 2: beaten Penn State, right, So that was my starting point.
Speaker 2: I just come down on really liking the matchup for
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, okay, because I think they're much more physical
Speaker 2: in the trenches on both sides, and I think Riley
Speaker 2: Leonard kind of breaks what USC wants to do on defense,
Speaker 2: which is blitz the crap out of you. That's what
Speaker 2: they've done all year. They blitz the crap out of you.
Speaker 2: And the irony here is that though they're blitzing a lot.
Speaker 2: Their sack rates, their pressure rates are very low, which
Speaker 2: is basically a long way of saying that in this case,
Speaker 2: if you're over committee against a mobile quarterback, that's not
Speaker 2: something that generally works. I have not seen that generally
Speaker 2: work in college football. I am not a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: It seems like a bad formula to me. Riley Leonard
Speaker 2: is that mobile quarterback. Riley Leonard is obviously the focal
Speaker 2: point of this offense. Riley Leonard is also very good
Speaker 2: at avoiding sacks in his own right. His sack avoidance,
Speaker 2: I've said this a million times, very very good. He's
Speaker 2: good at avoiding the sacks. He just knows where pressure's
Speaker 2: coming from. Not always the best quarterback out there, but
Speaker 2: he's good at not getting taken down. True, I would
Speaker 2: be a lot more worried about this if it were
Speaker 2: Miller Moss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I went back and forth. See that
Speaker 1: the numbers and the competitive nature of these USC games
Speaker 1: have not necessarily been on the back of Jade Mayava.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
Speaker 2: If it were Miller Moss, I think I would be
Speaker 2: with you and I would go points. But though I
Speaker 2: like Jade Mayava, and the mobility that he brings. He
Speaker 2: is still relatively green, and I just think Notre Dame
Speaker 2: is going to dare him to throw into the defense,
Speaker 2: and I think that's where we see some mistakes.
Speaker 1: So I think this is a good game.
Speaker 2: I don't think this is a runaway trained by any stretch,
Speaker 2: and I think we're going to learn something a lot,
Speaker 2: hopefully about Notre Dame and what they've got in the
Speaker 2: tank against a better opponent. This is the best opponent
Speaker 2: they've played in a while. Thirty one seventeen is my
Speaker 2: final for Notre Dame. I think they pull away late again.
Speaker 2: I think they win this game the way they've been
Speaker 2: winning games, which is they're going to grind you down.
Speaker 2: They're going to make you make decisions against Briley Leonard,
Speaker 2: who is mobile, who they can put on the run,
Speaker 2: who they can do RPO stuff with. I think he
Speaker 2: will put this linebacking corps, especially in a bit of
Speaker 2: a bind, and it is that matchup that eventually ends
Speaker 2: up working for Notre Dame. Thirty one seventeen, Okay, we disagree,
Speaker 2: and everything you said is totally reasonable and for me
Speaker 2: to pick against a team that has an advantage on
Speaker 2: neither line nor do they have an advantage at quarterback.
Speaker 1: They're real big advantage is or not big advantage, but
Speaker 1: they seem like that their depth of skill is at
Speaker 1: least a little bit. It might have a higher ceiling
Speaker 1: given that Lincoln Riley has that background offensively, and look,
Speaker 1: Mike Denbrock is very good obviously, sure, but that would
Speaker 1: be the advantage that those big offensive plays, if everything
Speaker 1: is working out for both teams, might have an advantage
Speaker 1: or might it might be USC's advantage. But no, I
Speaker 1: think everything you said is sound. This is sort of
Speaker 1: like a little bit of hoping to watch Notre Dame
Speaker 1: play a competitive game rather than truly feeling great about
Speaker 1: USC actually winning a game like this.
Speaker 2: Again, if it were Miller Moss. If it were Miller Moss,
Speaker 2: I would feel much differently the fact that it's Jade Mayava.
Speaker 1: I Look, it might be Miller Moss in the second quarter.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah knows. I think it might be done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven point thirty on ABC. This is kind of
Speaker 2: a big another weekend. Texas ten to one Texas A
Speaker 2: and M eight and three Texas is a five point
Speaker 2: road favorite. It goes without saying that this is an
Speaker 2: enormous game. This will be an enormous game if the
Speaker 2: stakes weren't already so high. But the way things have
Speaker 2: gone now in the SEC, the winner of this game
Speaker 2: is playing Georgia for the SEC title. It's a big deal.
Speaker 2: Kyle Field's gonna be rocking. Five points?
Speaker 1: Is a spread?
Speaker 2: Dan? Yeah, how do.
Speaker 1: You feel about that? I'm taking A and M. I
Speaker 1: don't love it. I'm going with the home team with
Speaker 1: not the superior defense, but what can be an excellent
Speaker 1: defense in an environment that will be bloodthirsty.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this because I have seen this
Speaker 2: question pop up a fair amount recently because of the
Speaker 2: playoff stuff, and I don't think we've really addressed it here.
Speaker 2: Have we been giving Texas too much benefit of the doubt?
Speaker 2: You know, because a lot of the arguments, Yeah, a
Speaker 2: lot of the arguments that people have made about strength
Speaker 2: of schedule. I'm not saying it's Notre Dame. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying it's Penn State. I'm not saying it's Indiana, right,
Speaker 2: But strength of schedule on the Texas side has been
Speaker 2: something that has kind of come up here, and there
Speaker 2: is Texas getting too much benefit of the doubt?
Speaker 1: Right now, I think they're getting too much offensive benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt. If anything, that I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's a rankings benefit of the doubt, because they're still
Speaker 1: winning games. And while you can question the strength of
Speaker 1: their schedule, and that's fine, and the quarterbacks who played
Speaker 1: in those games, that's fine, But I don't have a
Speaker 1: convincing argument to put a different team above Texas in
Speaker 1: this moment. So I'll say, for the sake of predicting
Speaker 1: games for prognostication, yeah, maybe we are overrating Texas's ability
Speaker 1: to take care of business against good teams because I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it this year, right, It's just a mystery.
Speaker 1: So in this situation, I'm taking Texas A and M
Speaker 1: because they're at home, bloodthirsty crowd, huge emotional spot, quin yours.
Speaker 1: Beat up Texas on the road has not been lights
Speaker 1: out on offense this year, and I'm just going to
Speaker 1: wager as as much as they just don't. I'm not
Speaker 1: enamored with this beat up Texas A and M offense,
Speaker 1: but I think they can pull this out based on
Speaker 1: where Texas is a where really where they haven't been.
Speaker 1: I just think it's a tough situational spot for Texas
Speaker 1: being a road favorite, where just whatever two to three
Speaker 1: weeks ago against Arkansas they struggled to separate on the road.
Speaker 1: That I just, I don't know. I'm not enamored with
Speaker 1: Texas on offense this year in the way that I
Speaker 1: thought i'd be. So I'm gonna go A and M
Speaker 1: bouncing back from a big emotional loss, because again, you
Speaker 1: don't need to figure out how to muster the emotion
Speaker 1: and will to get up for the return of Texas
Speaker 1: against A and M. So I wing A and M
Speaker 1: outright to win this game twenty four to twenty outright
Speaker 1: outright at home. Man, they're my home dog of the week,
Speaker 1: by the way, how about that?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, the Yakos home dog of the week. I
Speaker 2: want to watch the A and offense is just off
Speaker 2: for Texas.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to watch the A and M fraught
Speaker 2: against the Texas offensive line. Yeah, in particular, we saw
Speaker 2: what Georgia did to the Texas offensive line.
Speaker 1: Is A and M good enough to replicate that?
Speaker 2: They're certainly good enough to try, and I think they
Speaker 2: should because you mentioned Quinn Ewers is banged up. He's
Speaker 2: out there on a bum ankle. This is an offense that,
Speaker 2: to your point, yes, sort of struggled to separate, especially
Speaker 2: in the road. We've just gotten done talking about it. Frankly,
Speaker 2: we talked about it on Tuesday. Where is this next
Speaker 2: gear for the Texas offense? Does it have a next gear?
Speaker 2: It feels like a Sark offense should be a little
Speaker 2: bit better than this with all the artillery they've gotten.
Speaker 1: Why is it now?
Speaker 2: I do question if Marcel Reid has the juice.
Speaker 1: To beat Texas. I like a question that too.
Speaker 2: I like Marcel Reid. Does he have enough juice to
Speaker 2: beat this Texas defense?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I do love the spot for A and M, though,
Speaker 2: and I also have them outright. I've got it twenty
Speaker 2: six twenty three, A, I love that from you. I've
Speaker 2: got it twenty six twenty three. I probably should have
Speaker 2: made it my home dog as well, but I was
Speaker 2: enamored with that Auburn pick. This would be an incredible,
Speaker 2: incredible victory for A and M. This would throw a
Speaker 2: lot into question with regard to the playoff, and part
Speaker 2: of me is sort of enamored with that storyline. It
Speaker 2: may have influenced my pick here a little bit, but
Speaker 2: bear in mind they are restarting this rivalry for the
Speaker 2: first time since twenty eleven, way back when Mac Brown
Speaker 2: knocked off Mike Sherman twenty seven to twenty five.
Speaker 1: In validate McCoy, Case McCoy. So it is just it has.
Speaker 2: Been so long since we had this game. I find
Speaker 2: it hard to believe that any one team is going
Speaker 2: to blow out the other. So I'm taking points and
Speaker 2: I'm taking a and m out right.
Speaker 1: Oh man, we agree, by the way, that was case
Speaker 1: McCoy sixteen of twenty seven four point one yards per
Speaker 1: attempt taking down Ryan Tannehill, who threw three picks four
Speaker 1: point six yards per attempt. Malcolm Brown on the ground
Speaker 1: for Texas, Ben Molina on the ground for Texas, A
Speaker 1: and m former Angels catcher Ben Molina or Ben Molina
Speaker 1: one of the Molina brothers. Yeah, yeah, took a stab
Speaker 1: at running the ball twenty five times in a rivalry game.
Speaker 1: Markus Goodwin out wide with Jackson Shipley for Texas. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I looked at Texas's schedule again, through no fault
Speaker 1: of their own, what have we seen against Texas with
Speaker 1: a good defensive line and a decent quarterback? No, I
Speaker 1: don't know, lose to Georgia, and that's kind of it.
Speaker 1: Like Kentucky's got that good front, but they don't have
Speaker 1: the decent quarterback. Oklahoma's got that decent front. They didn't
Speaker 1: have a good quarterback. Florida decent front. It was an
Speaker 1: Aiden Warner game like it. Just a guy doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they can't beat A and M. They most certainly can
Speaker 1: beat A and M. They can beat an AM by
Speaker 1: two touchdowns. It's just been a long year of not
Speaker 1: seeing it. That's all.
Speaker 2: I think about. The heart, the passionate, the love, the commitment,
Speaker 2: and the energy you're willing.
Speaker 1: To put into it.
Speaker 2: All Right, the Quad Father's Segment's gonna be a little
Speaker 2: different this time around. We've just got a bunch of
Speaker 2: games that we need to call out. You can pick
Speaker 2: your own quads, but there are a bunch of cool
Speaker 2: rivalries that I think we need to discuss here. We
Speaker 2: will start at high noon on ABC. Tennessee nine and
Speaker 2: two Vanderbilt six and five. Tennessee needs to win against Vandy.
Speaker 2: They are a ten and one half point favorite. Vandy
Speaker 2: now with Diego Pavia has a chance to beat an
Speaker 2: in state rival, has a chance to knock the in
Speaker 2: state rival.
Speaker 1: Out of the playoffs.
Speaker 2: I would presume out of the playoffs if Tennessee finishes
Speaker 2: with three losses. Does Vandy have more magic left?
Speaker 1: Dan? I think they have covering magic. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: the points, Okay. I don't feel confident about Vandy scoring
Speaker 1: enough to beat Tennessee. Though I'm not crazy high on
Speaker 1: Tennessee's offense this year. I think they've slowly improved. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, yeah, twenty seven to twenty, twenty
Speaker 1: four to seventeen somewhere in that. I'm going to take
Speaker 1: points here Vandy as a home dog.
Speaker 2: This one was Tennessee minus twelve when I made the doc,
Speaker 2: and since then it's come down a little bit.
Speaker 1: For as much as I'd like to.
Speaker 2: Go Vandy to make it really uncomfortable for the playoff committee.
Speaker 1: Let's get real, that's all I care about.
Speaker 2: I think the combination of Tennessee's defensive front with their
Speaker 2: ability to throw.
Speaker 1: The ball, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I think that's more than enough to get the w.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of looking at this one like I did
Speaker 2: South Carolina against Vandy with their defense are front.
Speaker 1: Isn't it now? It would have been better if for
Speaker 1: this specific game, if Vandy barely lost to Alabama, because
Speaker 1: obviously Tennessee will have or Tennessee's attention will be fully
Speaker 1: sweared on Vandy. Here, there is something about you use
Speaker 1: what was the term you use, like controlling their own destiny.
Speaker 1: There is something that, like diego Pavia is just destined
Speaker 1: to hurt people's feelings.
Speaker 2: I think this is this is his last regular season game.
Speaker 2: He lost that appeal that he I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know where things stand in the court case to try
Speaker 2: and get another year of eligibility.
Speaker 1: You wanted to stay of some kind Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with junior college eligibility or whatnot. I think this
Speaker 2: is probably going to be his last home game short
Speaker 2: of the bowl, whatever bowl they end up going to.
Speaker 1: So maybe there's more magic in there.
Speaker 2: I look, I'm all for it, but yeah, the win,
Speaker 2: no bowl, But yeah, I've got a twenty seven to
Speaker 2: fourteen Tennessee winning and covering going to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Disagree he's gonna hurt feelings.
Speaker 2: Twelve o'clock ESPN South Carolina eight and three, Clemson nine
Speaker 2: and two. Clemson favored by two and a half in
Speaker 2: the Paul Metal Bowl. Dan, I'm going South Carolina.
Speaker 1: Outright here, as am I.
Speaker 2: I'm going outright ink Clemsons would be a big win
Speaker 2: to get them to nine and three. I just genuinely
Speaker 2: think they're the better team. I love their defensive front. Clemson.
Speaker 2: I've come around on Clemson. I feel like I have
Speaker 2: a weekly sort of check in with Clemson where I'm
Speaker 2: not sure how I feel about them, but generally I
Speaker 2: think it's shown improvement throughout the course of the year.
Speaker 2: I just kind of like South Carolina more and their
Speaker 2: defensive front.
Speaker 1: So give me the game Cocks. Yeah, it's just a
Speaker 1: consistency thing for me that South Carolina appears to be
Speaker 1: peaking right now. Nearly lost to Misszoo, but I think
Speaker 1: actually Miszoo has finally come into their own. It's taken
Speaker 1: long enough, so I'm gonna go South Carolina here. I
Speaker 1: just there is something about the trust of recent performances
Speaker 1: that I don't have with Clemson. I mean, Clemson's very good.
Speaker 1: I think Dylan Stewart I have saw that there's some
Speaker 1: like public negotiations on what his nil number is gonna
Speaker 1: be next year. Okay, he might add like a quick
Speaker 1: three hundred K by performing in this one so yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go South Carolina here by the touchdown.
Speaker 2: Also at noon in the SEC, it is the Governor's Cup.
Speaker 1: It is Louisville in.
Speaker 2: SEC Territory lex Tin Kentucky scoring off against their in
Speaker 2: state rival Kentucky Wildcats. A battle of seven and four
Speaker 2: against four and seven, louisvill favor by four.
Speaker 1: Who's taking home the Governor's Cup? Dam? I have Louisville here,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if Kentucky had average quarterback play
Speaker 1: or proven average quarterback play. They made the change. Brock
Speaker 1: Vandergriff will not be starting this one. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: my guy, Butter Coally, Yes, Butter Kohley. But I think
Speaker 1: Louisville is just too solid. The defense is average, but
Speaker 1: I don't think Kentucky has the offense to take advantage.
Speaker 1: Even though some of the skill on that team is good,
Speaker 1: I just don't think they're I'll button up enough team
Speaker 1: right now. So I have Louisville winning this one outright,
Speaker 1: covering with relative ease something like now thirty one sixteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Louisville's actually played well against the better teams
Speaker 2: in their schedule. They beat Clemson pounded with Stanford. Ye, yeah,
Speaker 2: pounded pit almost beat Miami. They hung with Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: The Stanford loss was not great, right, However, they're absolutely
Speaker 2: good enough to beat a team like Kentucky, which kind
Speaker 2: of feels in disarray right now.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you. That was across the country too
Speaker 1: for Louisville. Stanford lost. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Twelve o'clock ESPN two Kansas minus one and a half points.
Speaker 2: This line has shifted in favor of Kansas against the
Speaker 2: Baylor Bears. Dan, I am one hundred and ninety percent
Speaker 2: on Kansas here.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I love it.
Speaker 2: I fully disagree and ninety percent They're the one team
Speaker 2: the Big twelve I would not want to play right now,
Speaker 2: even more so than Asu.
Speaker 1: I'm on Kansas. I think they're out of gas. Oh.
Speaker 1: With his not really being a rivalry game, I think
Speaker 1: Baylor has done enough both at home and on the road.
Speaker 1: I'm going Baylor here against this Kansas defense to take advantage.
Speaker 1: Get off the field enough. Not a great defense, but
Speaker 1: get off the field enough. I have Baylor winning this
Speaker 1: one by I don't know, three or four points.
Speaker 2: Two named rivalries that will move to the afternoon slate
Speaker 2: twelve o'clock Big ten Network. It's the Land of Lincoln Trophy.
Speaker 1: Have you seen this? By the way, have you seen
Speaker 1: the trophy? You sent it to me? Looks beautiful? Is
Speaker 1: that not a cool freaking trophy? The big gold, golden
Speaker 1: looking top hat, top hat. I love it.
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen it before. Illinois eight and three, Northwestern
Speaker 2: four and seven. Illinois favored by seven and a half points.
Speaker 2: Any reason to go to Arthwestern here? Now?
Speaker 1: I mean it's Wrigley Field, I guess I don't know. No,
Speaker 1: I have Illinois big.
Speaker 2: Illinois big, Okay, ESPNU. They call it the Battle on
Speaker 2: the Bayou matchup between Louisiana at nine and two. They're
Speaker 2: a nine and a half point favorite on the road
Speaker 2: at Louisiana.
Speaker 1: Monroe Battle on the Bayou, Dan.
Speaker 2: Yes, Monroe's made a good story. They can get eligible
Speaker 2: with the win.
Speaker 1: He lost five straight, which I don't love against not
Speaker 1: so good defenses other than Auburn. I'm going with Louisiana
Speaker 1: to win this one and cover on the road.
Speaker 2: They're much better. Louisiana is much better, especially on offense.
Speaker 2: So I think I'm with you. Okay, Let's get to
Speaker 2: the afternoon block. Yeah, play, Welcome to the pain zones
Speaker 2: where we live. Let's go to the pain zone. Could
Speaker 2: this be the pain zone for the Miami Hurricanes. I
Speaker 2: have Syracuse three thirty ESPN. Miami at ten and one
Speaker 2: is an eleven point favorite on the road at Syracuse
Speaker 2: Syracuse eight and three, very quietly eight and three. I'm
Speaker 2: expecting a lot of points. Vegas is expecting a lot
Speaker 2: of points. They've got the over under at sixty seven
Speaker 2: and a half on.
Speaker 1: A fast track in a dome.
Speaker 2: JMA Wireless Dome DAN one of the weirdest places that
Speaker 2: you could play, especially against a weird coach who does
Speaker 2: not shower if he doesn't win, So the impetus is obvious.
Speaker 2: I think for Miami, you win, you caull fly, not
Speaker 2: just for the ACC title game, but most likely for
Speaker 2: the playoff as well. Is Syracuse good enough to cover
Speaker 2: this point spread?
Speaker 1: Yes, they're also good enough to lose by thirty, but
Speaker 1: I think they're good enough to cover as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is Syracuse the kind of team that is good enough
Speaker 2: to lose by one score against everybody on its schedule? Maybe,
Speaker 2: with the exception of pitt I think probably they feel
Speaker 2: like one of those teams.
Speaker 1: Even that pit game that was just a bunch of
Speaker 1: pick sixes, five interceptions for Comport in that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wonder if Syracuse is the style team
Speaker 2: that's going to find a way, come hell or high
Speaker 2: water to keep this one close. Eleven feels like a lot.
Speaker 2: I understand why it's at eleven. Miami is obviously very
Speaker 2: very good on offense led by cam Board. I'm going
Speaker 2: with the for animal, Baby.
Speaker 1: I'm going with the f animal two.
Speaker 2: I got it at thirty eight thirty one. Miami wouldn't
Speaker 2: surprise me if Syracuse won the game out right because
Speaker 2: of the for animal, because it's a weird place, weird
Speaker 2: place to play, because Syracuse has a tendency to do
Speaker 2: this to teams. So I'm going Miami, but not covering.
Speaker 1: They've run well, Syracuse has and there is still something
Speaker 1: about Miami where you want to be my top five team,
Speaker 1: you want to be my top eight team. And I
Speaker 1: know it was a special teams thing and it was
Speaker 1: kind of a weird situation against wake Forest. What's the
Speaker 1: score going into the fourth quarter last week twenty to fourteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for as good as Miami can be at so many
Speaker 1: different things on both sides of the ball, yeah, first
Speaker 1: half separation, first three quarters separation. It just hasn't been
Speaker 1: a thing for this team. This team is not a
Speaker 1: take care of business team. And now you're going to
Speaker 1: fly up to Syracuse, New York, play in a dome
Speaker 1: and figure it all out to win this game against
Speaker 1: a decent Syracuse team. I think they can win. I
Speaker 1: think they should win. I have them winning, but I
Speaker 1: have them winning. Thirty five thirty one, all right, we
Speaker 1: agree that, Yes, we agree? Agree?
Speaker 2: Yeah, three thirty ESPN two. Another ACC matchup weirdness. It
Speaker 2: may sound to say Cal on the road at SMU,
Speaker 2: SMU favored by thirteen and a half points at home.
Speaker 1: This seems like far too many points to me. It's
Speaker 1: just too many points to me. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: too many. And now this is it's a letdown spot
Speaker 1: for Cal having beaten Stanford in a big emotional spot,
Speaker 1: now traveling to Texas. I just think it's too many points.
Speaker 2: It feels to me, though SMU has been really solid
Speaker 2: down the stretch, and though I think they are getting
Speaker 2: a little bit better each week, given the fact that
Speaker 2: they've punched their ticket to the ACC title already, there's
Speaker 2: a look ahead spot here. There's a look ahead spot.
Speaker 2: I would not want to be in a look ahead
Speaker 2: spot against a calgorithm no one more chance to put
Speaker 2: one final scare into a notable team from the deep South.
Speaker 2: Mind you, right, thirty four to thirty one, SMU wins,
Speaker 2: but only barely.
Speaker 1: So you have like a certain amount of calculus, and
Speaker 1: it's not limited to SMU. You here a calculus of like,
Speaker 1: how many games do we actually have left if we
Speaker 1: are looking at a playoff berth, how much do we
Speaker 1: want to show? How much were we willing to put
Speaker 1: out there? How long are we willing to leave starters
Speaker 1: in If you are a lot of these teams Miami, SMU,
Speaker 1: any you know Tennessee if they're up reasonably so against Vanderbilt,
Speaker 1: or again like Ohio State, that you want to have
Speaker 1: enough in the tank to get to early January, middle
Speaker 1: of January, late January, or whatever. No team is fully
Speaker 1: prepared to do this because nobody team has potentially played
Speaker 1: as many games as some of these teams will by
Speaker 1: the end of the year. And so I think you're
Speaker 1: you're looking at a number of coaches who are trying
Speaker 1: to think about this in a newly smart way. Maybe
Speaker 1: it'll work out for them. Maybe it won't, but I
Speaker 1: think a game like this, I think is certainly an
Speaker 1: example of where it could happen, where you're just like,
Speaker 1: let's just win, stay healthy, pull this guy who's been
Speaker 1: beat up early, and maybe that allows somebody back into
Speaker 1: the game a little bit. We'll win. No, I think
Speaker 1: that's where we are with smu CAL.
Speaker 2: Three thirty Big ten Network, Maryland a twenty four and
Speaker 2: a half point dog on the road at Penn State.
Speaker 2: Penn State leads this series forty three to three. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this game is almost never close. I think Penn State
Speaker 2: is going to lay the wood in as we say,
Speaker 2: forty one to fourteen.
Speaker 1: Is my final.
Speaker 2: I got Penn State big forty four to ten. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well you agree, very close again. Three thirty FS one
Speaker 2: Rutgers six and five Michigan State five and six. Michigan
Speaker 2: State needs to win. They are a one point favorite.
Speaker 1: Rutgers hurts feelings. Rutgers is going to win this game
Speaker 1: by three. I love Michigan State here really, oh, I
Speaker 1: love them. I mean, it wasn't a great game against Perdue,
Speaker 1: but okay.
Speaker 2: I'm treating this one like it's some sort of playoff game.
Speaker 1: Truly. I think bowlel eligible and one I get Bowl
Speaker 1: eligible in year one.
Speaker 2: Jonathan's okay, yeah, yeah, we disagree. I'm gonna go Michigan State.
Speaker 2: I also have listed here NC State on the road
Speaker 2: at North Carolina. North Carolina, I have minus three and
Speaker 2: a half. I don't know if that's changed since I
Speaker 2: made the doc, but mac Brown's been fired. NC State
Speaker 2: needs to win this one and get Bowl eligible. I'm
Speaker 2: on wolf Pack here, give me the wolf oh man.
Speaker 1: I'm on North Carolina and Max's final game. I think
Speaker 1: they run wild.
Speaker 2: A few named rivalries that I did want to call
Speaker 2: out here, yeah, and then of course.
Speaker 1: One other one. Did you say BC pitt I was
Speaker 1: going to get to b C Pittes, Okay, just making
Speaker 1: sure BC pit all right? So Pitt's seven and four,
Speaker 1: they're a five point road dog against Boston College, who
Speaker 1: is favored at home. You have a you have a leen? Oh?
Speaker 1: I love Boston College? Here, do you? I think Pitts
Speaker 1: season has collapsed from beneath it with Eli Holstein's injury,
Speaker 1: a couple of other key injuries. I just I think
Speaker 1: Boston College is in a nice place, so I have
Speaker 1: them winning.
Speaker 2: The three named rivalries that I wanted to call out.
Speaker 2: The battle line rivalry is Sarkansas at six and five
Speaker 2: against Missoo at eight and three. Missoo is favored by three.
Speaker 2: I've got the Battle of I ten between Utip and
Speaker 2: New Mexico State. Both teams are bad, but who cares.
Speaker 2: It's a cool rivalry in Mexico State favored by two.
Speaker 2: And then we've got deeper than height. You gotta say
Speaker 2: it in that tone. You can't say deeper than.
Speaker 1: Hate is deeper than heat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, app State at five and five on the road
Speaker 2: at Georgia Southern, which is seven and four. Georgia Southern
Speaker 2: favored by two and a half points. Got to lean
Speaker 2: on any of those games.
Speaker 1: I'm going Georgia Southern, I'm going to New Mexico State,
Speaker 1: and I'm going Missoo. I'm going home teams in an
Speaker 1: advantage spot Missoos, as I mentioned, they've come into their
Speaker 1: own a little bit right there about to beat South
Speaker 1: Carolina obviously didn't go their way, but no Miszoo generating
Speaker 1: bigger plays more recently. As much as I like Arkansas Offen,
Speaker 1: I like Arkansas overall, but I just they haven't been
Speaker 1: able to pull out games. I'm going missoo here to
Speaker 1: finish strong and UH have an opportunity to finish the
Speaker 1: season with ten wins. Ten wins.
Speaker 2: I'm with you on all three of those, by the way, okay,
Speaker 2: all three those we agree.
Speaker 1: Let's get to.
Speaker 2: The night and uh late.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait what Fresno State, UCLA, TCU, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: Go ahead? What do you got? Give me quicker? I
Speaker 1: have Fresno State the week after for UCLA the week
Speaker 1: after a rivalry game against a non headline opponent. As
Speaker 1: much as I respect Fresno State, I think Fresno State
Speaker 1: on the road here can cover TCU. I think beat Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: They've been performing better and better on offense earlier on.
Speaker 1: By the way, I have West Virginia over Texas Tech
Speaker 1: Duke over Wake as well. In that early window. I'm
Speaker 1: going with the road teams there. West Virginia better away
Speaker 1: from Morgantown, and I like the Duke defense a lot
Speaker 1: against Wake. Now we can move on. Let's move on. Now.
Speaker 1: You have to achieve failure. You need to take it
Speaker 1: that far. Nobody wants to go that far.
Speaker 2: It's too scary.
Speaker 1: You know something, I got news for you that's where
Speaker 1: winning is.
Speaker 2: That's where winning is. Dan yep, our final quad here
Speaker 2: of the regular season.
Speaker 1: I guess we.
Speaker 2: Won't have quads next week. The whole thing's a big quad.
Speaker 2: I forgot to put this game on the document, so disrespectful.
Speaker 2: I forgot to put Washington against Oregon on the document
Speaker 2: after all of the baggage from a year ago and
Speaker 2: really throughout the rich history of this matchup. I forgot
Speaker 2: to put Washington against Oregon. So I apologize, Okay, So
Speaker 2: I mean no disrespect. It's an NBC game. It is
Speaker 2: Washington at six and five. It is your Oregon Ducks
Speaker 2: at eleven or zero. Oregon is a nineteen point favorite.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is there any universe in which Oregon does not absolutely
Speaker 2: lay the lumber to Washington in this game.
Speaker 1: Well, at the risk of echoing myself picking against Washington
Speaker 1: both times last year and being wrong both times, it's
Speaker 1: trending in that way. Washington went on the road. Now
Speaker 1: it's cross country. It's a little bit different than staying
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest. What was the final score against
Speaker 1: Penn State a couple of weeks ago, two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: it's like thirty five to six. Yeah, Yeah, something like that,
Speaker 1: they had to make a quarterback change. The turnovers are there.
Speaker 1: I think even with Oregon not playing an a game
Speaker 1: on offense, I think the defense will get off the
Speaker 1: field often enough. With Washington having some quarterback questions going
Speaker 1: between you know, Will Rodgers leaving the game for a
Speaker 1: couple couple of straight big games. I think it was
Speaker 1: against UCLA they pulled him after another suspect performance. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Oregon's able to turn over Washington.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be able to run on Washington.
Speaker 1: Washington has good defensive stats against the pass, but really
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks faced have been pretty disappointing, just like you
Speaker 1: know in the instance of Notre Dame schedule, so it
Speaker 1: didn't work out against Penn State when they actually had
Speaker 1: to play against a decent offense. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: going to work out against Oregon. And obviously Dan Lanning
Speaker 1: has done a very good job motivating this team this year,
Speaker 1: pulling away from teams even without you know, putting in
Speaker 1: an a performance. So I have forty five fourteen forty
Speaker 1: two to fourteen forty two seventeen something that like, and
Speaker 1: Oregon hasn't been a team to score forty this year.
Speaker 1: They haven't been that team. But I think there's something
Speaker 1: special about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not feeling Washington this matchup here. I think
Speaker 2: Oregon is about as close to a complete team as
Speaker 2: we have seen so far this season, and I like
Speaker 2: him in this matchup to exact some revenge. I have
Speaker 2: to imagine, given what we know of Dan Lanning, he's
Speaker 2: playing up that angle lost to him twice last year, Right,
Speaker 2: I mean that's just sort of his jam. Give me
Speaker 2: a Oregon minus the number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really don't even think Oregon has an incredible
Speaker 1: offensive game. I just think that the game gets away
Speaker 1: from Washington in too many phases.
Speaker 2: Seven point thirty on Fox, they call it Pharmageddon, my
Speaker 2: favorite nickname. It's great Kansas State at eight and three,
Speaker 2: I will state at nine and two, I will state
Speaker 2: favored by two and a half points. Look, I have
Speaker 2: no idea who's winning this game.
Speaker 1: This game feels dead even to me.
Speaker 2: I looked at maybe two or three other projection system.
Speaker 2: Everyone has this as even. Yeah, everyone has this as even.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this one. I'm saying, all right, it's
Speaker 2: cold night and names. I want the better running team
Speaker 2: and I think that team is Case State. So give
Speaker 2: me k State outright. That throws the Big twelve, mind you,
Speaker 2: perhaps into a further state of disarray because of the
Speaker 2: as you win. It would mean that ASU potentially rematch
Speaker 2: scenario conference championship game next week. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: talk through all of these things, but Kansas State beating
Speaker 2: Iowa State could mean some really weird things in this conference.
Speaker 2: I just think they're the better running team and I
Speaker 2: like their matchup here, So give me Can't State outright?
Speaker 1: Can you? You can't calculate on the fly for me.
Speaker 1: I know you had some sort of web app available.
Speaker 1: I can, I can't. What do you want? Kansas State winning,
Speaker 1: Arizona winning, Kansas State winning Aria, both Iowa State and
Speaker 1: ASU losing.
Speaker 2: Okay, in the event that happened is BYU Colorado, Okay
Speaker 2: for the conference championship. That's just those are eliminators, all right,
Speaker 2: to know exactly, and I do have in this block
Speaker 2: as well. Another game to keep tabs on is the
Speaker 2: Houston versus BYU game, because Houston beating BYU is the
Speaker 2: one that unlocks true weirdness. We made a video about this,
Speaker 2: We talked about this on the Tuesday episode that we
Speaker 2: put out there, Houston beating BYU, also Cincinnati beating TCU.
Speaker 2: If both of those things happen, and the rest of
Speaker 2: the lot in the Big twelve is chalk, that's the
Speaker 2: only instance in which Arizona State could win and would
Speaker 2: not be into the conference title game.
Speaker 1: But I don't understand. So if ASU finishes the season
Speaker 1: with two losses, right, and Iowa State finishes the season
Speaker 1: with two losses, right, how does BYU getting a third
Speaker 1: loss throw ASU out of it? It would be.
Speaker 2: So what we'd be looking at is a scenario in
Speaker 2: which Colorado, who also has two losses, and Iowa State
Speaker 2: has two losses, two conference lows, two conference losses. Essentially,
Speaker 2: because of the way that the tiebreakers are set up,
Speaker 2: it would unlock a scenario in which we're looking at
Speaker 2: opponents and conference winning percentage.
Speaker 1: Ahead of full record, which obviously Colorado has a third
Speaker 1: loss overall to Nebraska. That's right.
Speaker 2: And so in that instance, because Houston would knock off
Speaker 2: BYU because they would give them a loss, and because
Speaker 2: of the way that other tiebreakers would shake out, Arizona
Speaker 2: State would not get the nod. It would go to
Speaker 2: Iowa State. In Colorado, But that's the only instance in
Speaker 2: which it happens. The only instance of which it happens
Speaker 2: is Houston beating BYU, Cincinnati beating TCU, the rest of
Speaker 2: it being chalk.
Speaker 1: And Arizona State would obviously have the tie break over
Speaker 1: BYU because of head to head.
Speaker 2: Arizona State would have the tiebreaker over BYU, but they
Speaker 2: would not have it in that instance over both Iowa
Speaker 2: State and Colorado.
Speaker 1: Who would go to the conference title game?
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, okrazy, I trust you craziness.
Speaker 1: I have BYU winning this game. I have BYU winning
Speaker 1: as well. And this is one of those matchups to
Speaker 1: where I just have a lot of doubts about Houston's offense,
Speaker 1: And so is the spread still twelve and a half?
Speaker 1: Twelve and a half? Before looking at the spread and
Speaker 1: considering the number itself, I said, Okay, Houston's defense has
Speaker 1: been consistently pretty good, has gotten stronger over the course
Speaker 1: of the season. BYU's offense, while at times shaky or not,
Speaker 1: they're not super prone to like a crazy number of turnovers.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, twenty three points sounds reasonable. I
Speaker 1: don't see Houston any more than ten. So I had
Speaker 1: a twenty three to ten, and it's twelve and a half,
Speaker 1: So I guess I'm rolling with given those points.
Speaker 2: Gotta do it, man, Yeah, gotta do it. Who did
Speaker 2: you pick in Farmageddon, by the way.
Speaker 1: And farm Again. I'm going with Iowa State. I'm going
Speaker 1: with the home team. It's gonna be freezing cold. I
Speaker 1: have them winning by five or six points. I just
Speaker 1: the how off and inconsistent Kansas State's offense have been
Speaker 1: has been on the road. I'm just even if Iowa
Speaker 1: State its own defense hasn't been typically very good as
Speaker 1: it has been these past few years. I'm going with
Speaker 1: the Clones at home.
Speaker 2: A couple other name rivalries that we got to call out, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Commonwealth Cup, Virginia Virginia Tech. The winner of this game
Speaker 2: gets bullligible. Virginia Tech favor by seven points. Kyen Drones
Speaker 2: is questionable.
Speaker 1: Colin Slee is questionable. Will I Shelee is questionable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ill Virginia points.
Speaker 2: I still think I like Tech a lot more, and
Speaker 2: they've generally owned this series. They've won the last three.
Speaker 2: They won by thirty eight last year in Charlottesville.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There is also the possibility that Brent Pry is coaching
Speaker 2: for his job, which I don't think is unrealistic at
Speaker 2: this point, given Wow, given where Tech has kind of
Speaker 2: finished up this year, it's definitely been very disappointing.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go Tech. I like Tech at Home
Speaker 1: minus the seven. I'm going Virginia. The quarterback situation scares
Speaker 1: me away too much, and I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: Virginia wins, but I think they'll. They're good enough to
Speaker 1: keep this pretty tight.
Speaker 2: The Old Oaken Bucket ooh seven PMFS one Perdue is
Speaker 2: one to ten. They're a twenty nine point dog against
Speaker 2: ten and one Indiana for the Old Oakan Bucket. The
Speaker 2: Old Oaken Bucket, by the way, named via pom almost
Speaker 2: made a video on this, named after a poem Indiana
Speaker 2: minus whatever that we got Limb from Limb Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: eight pm, CBS Sports Network. It is Nevada, it is UNLV.
Speaker 2: UNLV favored by nineteen points. Here, gotta win. They get
Speaker 2: into the Mountain West title game. This is the battle
Speaker 2: for the Fremont Cannon.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 2: Yes, some interesting historical points on the Fremont Cannon. Maybe
Speaker 2: the most expensive rivalry trophy used to fire, literally fire
Speaker 2: until I believe UNLV dropped it by mistake and no
Speaker 2: longer is it functional. Oh that's something you care about.
Speaker 2: Give me Devada plus the points. I think Nevada puts
Speaker 2: them in the choke hold. I think UNLV wins, but
Speaker 2: this is close.
Speaker 1: Nevada has lost five straights but have been competitive, but
Speaker 1: it's been against kind of I mean, air Force has
Speaker 1: been disappointing. They lose that one by three. Hawaii. They're
Speaker 1: not competitive against Fresno. They are competitive against It's really
Speaker 1: difficult to gauge. I think they're up for this game.
Speaker 1: UNLV trying to get into the conference championship game without injury,
Speaker 1: so I think they get up comfortably. Nevada comes back
Speaker 1: to at least cover this game.
Speaker 2: We've also got Florida versus Florida State. Florida favored by
Speaker 2: fourteen and a half points. I'm on Florida minus anything
Speaker 2: in this game.
Speaker 1: Game. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: We've got Oklahoma at six and five against LSU at
Speaker 2: seven and four. LSU is favored by six. Part of
Speaker 2: me wants to sensationalize a bit and say that Brian
Speaker 2: Kelly is also coaching for his job. I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's a real thing. Okay, I do know that
Speaker 2: there is obvious disappointment with where LSU has finished up
Speaker 2: this season, and maybe we saw a bit of a
Speaker 2: renaissance with Oklahoma beating Alabama in the manner that they did.
Speaker 2: Maybe we're gonna see a lot more Jackson Arnold on
Speaker 2: the run. I think they can keep this close. I
Speaker 2: just don't know if they can keep it within the six.
Speaker 2: I felt better about fourteen last week at home. Six
Speaker 2: on the road in Tiger Stadium at night feels like
Speaker 2: a different animal together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I think Oklahoma is just never going to
Speaker 1: be what they were last week. Often just the defensive scoring,
Speaker 1: the defensive putting your offense in position to score big
Speaker 1: time plays from this defense, I'm with you. I think
Speaker 1: they regress to the mean in terms of total points,
Speaker 1: and they're going to find themselves in that thirteen fourteen
Speaker 1: point range. I don't love that. Garrett nus Meyers made
Speaker 1: some boneheaded mistakes this year, but I have this as
Speaker 1: twenty four to fourteen.
Speaker 2: I've got this at nineteen to fourteen. Oh, okay, nineteen
Speaker 2: to fourteen. Another stellar defensive effort from Oklahoma, but LSU
Speaker 2: wins Okay fair enough. The only other game that I've
Speaker 2: got here because it's a good matchup. Frankly eight and three,
Speaker 2: Marshall eight and three, James Madison, James Madison favored by three.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm going to Marshall. They've been I am
Speaker 1: strong in conference. I like Marshall in this matchup, I
Speaker 1: really do. I think it's a nice matchup for Marshall.
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Speaker 2: There is one more game that we should probably discuss,
Speaker 2: dan uh oh.
Speaker 1: If you drop that big stanky play drum and five
Speaker 1: for me, baby baby, baby baby, let me cut the
Speaker 1: music for a second. Please take a knee.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you how many people message me about
Speaker 2: Lehigh winning against Lafayette last week and then throwing the
Speaker 2: goalposts in the Lehigh River.
Speaker 1: I would assume many.
Speaker 2: So the Bethlehem Police Department did fish the goalposts out
Speaker 2: of the river. Yeah, for those interested, they got it
Speaker 2: and now they are trying to find trying to find
Speaker 2: whoever was responsible for throwing it in the river to
Speaker 2: begin with. Good luck with that.
Speaker 1: Does the Bethlehem Police have like a dedicated frogmen division
Speaker 1: and Scooby a retrieval team something? Yeah, I gotta believe
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 2: I gotta believe they have something like that because Bethlehem
Speaker 2: is right on the river.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What cars got to get fished out investigated? You know,
Speaker 1: weird situations happened.
Speaker 2: Okay, they fished it out. They're looking for those responsible.
Speaker 2: And of note, the Northampton County District Attorney, who would
Speaker 2: be I guess they'd have jurisdiction over whoever the assailants.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you say, whoever the offending parties were.
Speaker 2: It is of note that the Northampton County District Attorney
Speaker 2: is a Lafayette alum.
Speaker 1: Ooh so maybe throwing the book at him maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit of yeah, a little bit of bad blood there.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: Don't know if it goes full on refusal as a result.
Speaker 2: I don't know how these things work.
Speaker 1: But who does Lehigh have Round one?
Speaker 2: Lehigh has the Richmond Spiders in round one, a historic
Speaker 2: FCS power. Of course, Richmond is a ten and one
Speaker 2: half point home favorite here against Lee High Mountain.
Speaker 1: How's the weather supposed to be in Richmond? Top of
Speaker 1: your head? Let me know, I know you just follow
Speaker 1: this stuff anyway.
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea, come on, absolutely no idea
Speaker 2: of whether we'll play a factor here.
Speaker 1: Richmond weather underground, that's my go to source. Tie Richmond,
Speaker 1: Virginia weather conditions for the FCS opening round playoff matchup
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Tie, you're not gonna believe this monsoon like
Speaker 1: can didn't know? Saturday it'll be in the thirties, low forties.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I'm gonna go uh, I'm gonna go Lee
Speaker 1: High to cover this one. How about that? I'm going
Speaker 1: to High out right out right? Baby? Who do they play?
Speaker 1: Who would they be playing in the second round of
Speaker 1: the FCS playoffs? Bring up the bracket as I vamp here,
Speaker 1: Tie FCS playoff bracket? Who would Lehigh face? Not if?
Speaker 1: But when?
Speaker 2: Yeah, when Lee High wins? Lee High would then? Okay,
Speaker 2: where is it said?
Speaker 1: Now? I can't find it here. Let's see Idaho. It
Speaker 1: looks like I think Idaho.
Speaker 2: I know you can beat Idaho. Come on, get on.
Speaker 1: I know it's right there with Oregon week one, the
Speaker 1: number one team in America. Maybe they can't beat it.
Speaker 1: Ida's good. I like their coach a lot. Let's go
Speaker 1: Mountain Hawks. Let's go Mountain Hawks. Okay, that's all we got.
Speaker 2: Thank you to one and all for downloading, for listening,
Speaker 2: for supporting what we do. Make sure you get on
Speaker 2: over to play rundboard dot com. We have not determined
Speaker 2: what the prize is yet. We have not been dropping
Speaker 2: any keywords throughout the course of episode. We have been
Speaker 2: so transfixed by these rivalries in front of us that
Speaker 2: it feels like we haven't really given this prize it's due.
Speaker 1: We will have you. But well I mentioned cold weather.
Speaker 1: We will have a very big.
Speaker 2: Prize next weekend for Conference Championship Week. Conference Championship Week
Speaker 2: will have all the games that are played on Saturday.
Speaker 2: We're going to mix in some player props. It is
Speaker 2: going to be the conclusion of our run the Board
Speaker 2: game before we go headfirst into whatever game we do.
Speaker 2: Winter Wonders style for bowls and playoffs and all that,
Speaker 2: which I have started working on already, and I need
Speaker 2: to talk about that after the show. But as for
Speaker 2: this the last weekend of the regular season, you mentioned
Speaker 2: cold weather. Yeah, okay, obviously been talking about passion, passion
Speaker 2: of rivalries, right, joy Swing Joyce Swing at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the episode. Sure, we've talked about that.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: There is a lot of upset potential here. Yeah, to
Speaker 2: only further, I think the emotional weight of some of
Speaker 2: these rivalry games.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: And clearly this is a podcast. Clearly this is something
Speaker 2: that you're listening.
Speaker 1: Clearly this is we can all agree. That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so cold Weather rivalry with Passion. Obviously this is
Speaker 2: an audio only format. You want to give away some
Speaker 2: sort of like cool, it's not everything can be viewed
Speaker 2: on YouTube. Well, you need to listen to it otherwise
Speaker 2: you don't really know what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: That's true. Okay.
Speaker 2: Do we want to give away some cool headphone situation?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, you like the you like the cut of my
Speaker 2: jib here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You got any good Black Friday deals? Any Bow's not
Speaker 1: a sponsor, could be any Beats, any Apple? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get away a set of Bo's headphones, Dan.
Speaker 1: Noise canceling.
Speaker 2: Let's give away noise canceling headphones from Bows. Oh my god, Ty, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're feeling saucy this week. Okay, big week, big prize.
Speaker 2: They're on sale right now. We're gonna give away noise
Speaker 2: canceling headphones. I guess they're called Quiet Comforts from bos Oh.
Speaker 1: I wear those all the time. They're impeccable. I love them.
Speaker 1: Keep the ears warm, Keep the ears warm when you're
Speaker 1: on the plane. Yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: Noise canceling headphones have changed my entire life. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: especially when I'm doing travel. They've changed my entire entire
Speaker 2: mood everything.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Give them away. Great battery life with these,
Speaker 1: charge them up last you a long flight, no problem,
Speaker 1: talking about baby. I think that's a great idea. Ty,
Speaker 1: you nailed this one. Bose Quiet Comfort noise canceling headphones.
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Speaker 2: We will be back midnight Eastern on Saturday Night. We
Speaker 2: have done this show now a couple of years running.
Speaker 2: Every year we do the Week fourteen Recap Pod, the
Speaker 2: Rivalry Week Recap Pod live on YouTube Live wherever we
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Speaker 2: of this weekend has to offer, whether you're celebrating Thanksgiving
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Speaker 2: we appreciate your support. We hope you enjoy all that
Speaker 2: Week fourteen has to offer, and we will be back
Speaker 2: to help decipher everything that transpired on Sunday morning.
Speaker 1: Dan, I agree with all of that. For that, go
Speaker 1: over there, my good friend Dan.
Speaker 2: For myself, Tie, As always, you know the drill, stay solid, Peace,