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Speaker 1: This is behind the Bastards podcast where Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I never come into this show with a plan, like

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Speaker 1: I write ten thousand words a week to do this show,

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Speaker 1: and then I consistently just completely fucked the introductions. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think it's nice. I think it's I think it's fun.

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Speaker 1: Brand consistency that's that's our Robert. People thinking that's Robert.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's easy to be have a consistent

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Speaker 1: Phil Okay, I thought that was you introducing me. I

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Speaker 1: Well good for you, Jamie. I could probably get a keep.

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Speaker 1: several times. The key thing about cops, Jamie, and this

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Speaker 1: They're never ready for you to just tuck and roll,

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Speaker 1: And anyway, we should probably talk about Dr Phil sun

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Speaker 1: huh sure, yeah, totally. Probably chill out with our fill out.

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Speaker 1: been the final episode behind the Bastards. I'm so sorry. Alright, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's chill out with our phill out. Just a big old, pudgy,

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Speaker 1: teams wound up finding drugs one way or another after

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Speaker 1: getting out of the facility. Six were arrested, two were hospitalized.

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Speaker 1: One group who escaped together later robbed a homeless man.

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Speaker 1: BuzzFeed talked to Jill Walters of South Carolina, who's seventeen

428
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Speaker 1: year old escaped from Inspirations in two thousand sixteen and

429
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Speaker 1: wound up the street in Miami. She explained why she

430
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Speaker 1: initially had chosen Inspirations to help her boy. Quote, they

431
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Speaker 1: touted this we were on Dr Phil. They used that

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Speaker 1: as we must be a great facility because we were

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Speaker 1: on Dr Phil. Well, that has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: how the facility is run. You entrust your child to

435
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Speaker 1: the care of these people, and something like this happens.

436
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Speaker 1: It's good ship. God, that's that that that it wouldn't

437
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Speaker 1: stop getting worse. That is so fucking off. It's like,

438
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty bad. It's pretty pretty bad. Jamie.

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Speaker 1: It speaks to like, yeah, just the level of clout

440
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Speaker 1: he but he's still upfolds too. Because it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess that if you think about it for a while,

442
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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, he's not a licensed doctor, and

443
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Speaker 1: look at what he's actually saying. But it's like the

444
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Speaker 1: world was reinforcing his bullshit for so long. That is

445
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Speaker 1: so evil. Oh my god, it is evil, Jamie. Sure,

446
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Speaker 1: but you know it's not evil. What the products and

447
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: services that I just advertised on this podcast that we're

448
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: not actually cutting two again? I just I have a problem, Jamie.

449
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: I I have a problem. You can't stop thinking, and

450
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: I can't stop I can't stop pivoting to ads. You know,

451
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Speaker 1: you're just you've been I mean, I'm you know what, Jamie,

452
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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm an addict. Oh my god, get it.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I hated it. That one's a good one.

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Speaker 1: That one's that's a keeper. You know what we're done

455
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Speaker 1: with the episode go Home? I nailed it. Wow. Wow,

456
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Speaker 1: We've got to end with Dr Phil ruining the lives

457
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Speaker 1: of children. I mean, I guess that that is where

458
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Speaker 1: the story is going to end, no matter what it is,

459
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Speaker 1: It's where it began and it's where it'll end. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's where Dr Phil. Just kill me? Now, I got Okay,

461
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Speaker 1: I am gonna. I am going to continue to advocate

462
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Speaker 1: for put Dr Phil through a gigant human size shredder

463
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Speaker 1: on live TV. I think that that is the kind

464
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Speaker 1: of dystopian television. Like we're already at masked Singer. That's

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Speaker 1: the next logical step for me. Fair enough, But I hated,

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Speaker 1: I hate an evil person threw a shredder. It's the

467
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Speaker 1: modern guillotine, big old shredder. Yeah, it's the best way

468
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Speaker 1: to do anything. Really. Yeah, is a shredder anyway? Jamie

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Speaker 1: Jay Loft m hmm, Joe Loft. God, we're actually still

470
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Speaker 1: talking about inspirations. So court records also revealed that the

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Speaker 1: center's co owner, Christopher Walsh, is, by his own admission,

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Speaker 1: a habitual drunkard, who in two thousand fifteen suit a

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Speaker 1: resort for serving him alcohol, saying they should have known

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Speaker 1: he couldn't handle it. And boy, how do you does

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Speaker 1: it ever get worse? Let's talk about Todd Herzog. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, at the end of the inspiration stuff.

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Speaker 1: But so Todd Herzog was another was a repeated guest

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Speaker 1: on The Doctor Phil Show. Now, Todd's back story is

479
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Speaker 1: that he one survivor back in the early odds he

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Speaker 1: got like a million dollars and then became a horrible,

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Speaker 1: like developed a horrific addiction to alcohol, um, like a

482
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Speaker 1: life threatening addiction. Now Dr Phil and his producers must

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Speaker 1: have salivated at the combination of disastrous alcoholic and reality

484
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Speaker 1: TV star. Here's how stat News described what happened next.

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Speaker 1: Quote Herzog told stat in the Boston Globe that he

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Speaker 1: was not intoxicated when he arrived at the Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: studio to film the Doctor philm show. And his dressing room,

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Speaker 1: he said he found a bottle of smearing off vodka.

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Speaker 1: He drank all of it. Then someone handed him a Zanix,

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Speaker 1: he said, telling him it would calm his nerves. So

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Speaker 1: this guy who had managed to sober himself up enough

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Speaker 1: to like try to go on TV and Dr Phil's

493
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Speaker 1: people basically allegedly made sure there was a full bottle

494
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Speaker 1: of vodka and um a fucking gave him a Zanex?

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Speaker 1: Did you just because you know? I think the reasoning

496
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Speaker 1: is the more of a disaster you seem like on air,

497
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Speaker 1: the more marketable you are. Yeah, right right, But which

498
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: is a proven model given the star of the show

499
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: is like bachelor levels of like Jamie, Jamie, Ji, let's

500
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Speaker 1: get as close as we can killing people. Dear, dear

501
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: sweet Jamie loftus. We are not even at the worst

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Speaker 1: part yet. Oh no, okay, keep going. Yeah. So, by

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Speaker 1: the time Herzog got on stage, he was so wasted

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Speaker 1: that he could barely talk or function. Dr Phil and

505
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Speaker 1: his assistant walked them out themselves, making a big show

506
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Speaker 1: of helping him while highlighting just how wrecked he was.

507
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Speaker 1: And I want you to listen to this, Jamie. I

508
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Speaker 1: want you to watch this, obviously, but um, I want

509
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Speaker 1: everyone at home or in your car or pooping or

510
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 1: whatever it is you're doing. I can't describe the anxiety

511
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Speaker 1: of seeing Robert Evans has started screen sharing. I know,

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Speaker 1: I know, I know. All right, here's the Doctor Phil show.

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Speaker 1: Dr Phil, I'm todd, can you walk ap barely? I

514
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Speaker 1: have to have help. Sorry, I'm very what's all right, random?

515
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Speaker 1: Once you get over there and take spot, yeah, I'll go.

516
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry because it just kepler this happening, So just

517
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Speaker 1: come turn around. So that's all I want to play

518
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Speaker 1: of that. Um, he can barely move. It is fundamentally

519
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Speaker 1: unethical to have someone in that state on your television show.

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Speaker 1: Even I mean, even even if they had been inebriated

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Speaker 1: of their own volition and being like sped drugs, that

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Speaker 1: even if they had consented earlier, I know, think you

523
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: can consent to that. Yeah, absolutely not like that is

524
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Speaker 1: like the the worst situation imaginable. That is fucking evil. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not. It's not good, Jamie. It's just not a

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Speaker 1: good thing to do. I would say, I would recommend

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Speaker 1: not doing that if if I was if someone asked me,

528
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Speaker 1: should I take someone who has a problem with addiction

529
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Speaker 1: and give them drugs and then film them disastrously wrecked? Um,

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Speaker 1: I would say No, that sounds like an evil thing

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Speaker 1: to do. That is absolute cruel. God, it's cruel and good, Jamie.

532
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: Cruel and good. And they just had that on in

533
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: waiting rooms. That was just what you watched while you

534
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: were waiting to see the dentist. So, when questioned, representatives

535
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Speaker 1: of the Doctor Phil Show didn't i that they provided

536
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: Herzog with alcohol and drugs. They said, junkies lie in

537
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: essence about his claims, And then they pointed out that

538
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: they weren't a medical facility and couldn't watch their guests

539
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: at all times. The director of the treatment facility where

540
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Speaker 1: her Zog agreed to go for help at the end

541
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: of the show. However, was horrified when he saw him

542
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: on television. He was so upset by the condition that

543
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: Dr Phil let her Zog appear on air in that

544
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: he refused to ever have anything to do with the

545
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Speaker 1: Doctor Phil Show again. So this was so outrageous that

546
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Speaker 1: it convinced the head of a treatment program that all

547
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: of the free advertising that Doctor Phil Show could provide

548
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: was not worth the ethical compromise of dealing with that. Man,

549
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Speaker 1: I can't, I mean, I can't. You can't really hand

550
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: it to him for that. But that's I mean, that's

551
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: sucking something that's to late. Yeah, yeah, it's just it.

552
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: You have to really, like, you have to really do

553
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: bad to to to convince someone of that. I think

554
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: like that's a yeah, like that, that's throwing a lot

555
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: of money out And I don't know, I'm not going

556
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Speaker 1: to say all people in the rehab facility business or sketchy,

557
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of sketchy motherfucker's in that industry,

558
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's cool and

559
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: good Jamie, Wow, I feel really not very good, Jamie.

560
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: That's thank you so much for saying that you know

561
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: hear it behind the bastards. That's exactly what we go

562
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: for At all time. I convinced myself that this is

563
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: going to be a fun one and every time, except

564
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: the one time, I'm dead brown, even worse than I

565
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: could have conceived. All I ever want is for you

566
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: to feel bad. Thank you so much. That's my whole goal.

567
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: You know you're a successful person. I'm not a hero.

568
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm just um. I'm a hero. I'm a hero. You

569
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: know I'm not a hero. Todd Herzog's story does not

570
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Speaker 1: appear to be an isolated one. Jordan's Smith appeared on

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Speaker 1: The Tor Phil Show in two thousand twelve in an

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Speaker 1: episode titled Young, Reckless and Enabled. Smith's aunt claimed she

573
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: contacted to the show to help get her niece off

574
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: of heroin. When they arrived in l A from out

575
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: of state, Jordan's started going through withdrawal. Her aunt told

576
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Speaker 1: a show producer that her niece needed heroin and something

577
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: or something else to help with the withdrawal. The producer

578
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: suggested that they go to skid Row and buy heroin together.

579
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Speaker 1: She then told them not to say who made that suggestion. Later, now,

580
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: guests like smith Is received free addiction treatment and an

581
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: expensive center after their appearance on the show, which is

582
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: why many do it, But prior to taping, no medical

583
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Speaker 1: treatment is provided or offered. Smith and her family were

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles alone for two nights before taping. A

585
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: less trusting person than me might suggest that the show

586
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Speaker 1: does this, that these people will be extra fucked up

587
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: and sad when it comes time for them to be

588
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: on television. Sure, sure, yeah, it's very ethical. That is

589
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: extremely like, you have to be thinking so hard you

590
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: come up with something like that. It's so innocuous. Seeing

591
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: these people's lives are already off the fucking rails. How

592
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: can we make it a little worse? I'm Dr Phil.

593
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Speaker 1: Joel King Parrish brought her twenty eight year old daughter,

594
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Speaker 1: Caitlin to doctor Phil for help kicking a heroin addiction.

595
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: Caitlin was six months pregnant at the time. Her mother

596
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: assumed that when they landed they would receive medical attention

597
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Speaker 1: since withdrawal could endanger the fetus, But when Caitlin's mom

598
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: asked the staff for help, they told her to quote

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Speaker 1: take care of it. She took her daughter to the hospital,

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Speaker 1: which she left without a sheet receiving treatment. Next from

601
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Speaker 1: stat news quote, the producer texted to say she should

602
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Speaker 1: stay at the hospital, but Caitlin would not, and King

603
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: Parrish was terrified the baby would die if her daughter

604
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: did not get medicine or drugs. King Parrish and Caitlin

605
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: went to the Doctor Phil studio, where another show stafford

606
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: joined them. All three got into a cab headed for

607
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Speaker 1: skid Row. The stafford shot video which later aired on

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Speaker 1: the show. In it, King Parrish tells the camera, I

609
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: am scared to death right now. The camera follows Caitlin

610
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: from behind she walks towards homeless encampments. King Paris said

611
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Speaker 1: Caitlynn was gone for about a half hour while she

612
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: shot up Heroin, So they just like went out to

613
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Speaker 1: go buy a horse at skid Row and filmed it.

614
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Speaker 1: That's I mean, and that's like that's good TV. Is

615
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: what that is? This is ja wine. They really mupseting.

616
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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean, on top of the fact

617
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Speaker 1: that that's an extreme disservice to her, that's also like

618
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: yet another example of like bullshit high rated TV heading

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Speaker 1: into unhoused encampments to just frame people and completely context

620
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Speaker 1: list bumped up way, I hate that ship so much

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Speaker 1: that I think it's cool and good. Jamie, Wow, I

622
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: think it's cooling good. I hate this so much, loft this.

623
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Speaker 1: We do have fun on this show, though, We sure

624
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: do sure to bust out Franzia and really dial Yeah,

625
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: friends out with our glands out. I don't know, I'm stuck.

626
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm stuck making that exact kind of joke repeated. I'm

627
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: still chilling, chilling with filling. Yeah, gross, no, no, no idea.

628
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Speaker 1: It's all deeply uncomfortable, Probert. You know what's not deeply uncomfortable.

629
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Speaker 1: The products and services that support this podcast. No, every

630
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Speaker 1: one of them will gently cradle your head or whatever

631
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Speaker 1: other part of your body you you would like them

632
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Speaker 1: to craz absolutely or wherever. They'll just kiss you. You know,

633
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Speaker 1: they're just going to kiss you. That's that's the behind

634
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: the bastards promise random kisses from a product. Here's some ads. Okay,

635
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: So there are a bunch of stories like this, and

636
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: one of the saddest part of all these stories is

637
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: that the people who will like who, the people who

638
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: Doctor Phil clearly takes advantage of, will still claim that

639
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: his show helped them because they were able to receive

640
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: free addiction recovery care that they couldn't have afforded without

641
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: the Doctor Phil Show. Almost no aspect of his show

642
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: works if they're single payer healthcare that covers addiction treatment.

643
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: The Doctor Phil Show profits off of sadness, porn, the

644
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: shock and embarrassment people feel watching the ruined lives of

645
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: his guests, and the sassy, no bullshit advice Doctor Phil

646
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: gives them. He earns between sixty and eighty million dollars

647
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: a year. Of course, the Doctor's Phil Show. I know right,

648
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: that's an obscene number, isn't it? Just make sure you

649
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: want to light some ship on fire, doesn't it? Yeah,

650
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: it sure does, Jamie, it sure does. So. Of course,

651
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: the Doctor Phil Show would get boring pretty quick if

652
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: he only dealt with people suffering from drug addictions and

653
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: abuse of spouses. From the beginning, a major source of

654
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: content form of GRAW was so called troubled teens. Kids

655
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: in crisis are big business for grift t TV therapists because,

656
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: being children, those kids have no ability to regulate their

657
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: emotions and no sense of proportion. This leads to TV

658
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: friendly explosions of rage. In two thousand sixteen, Dr Phil

659
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: interviewed Danielle Brigoli for a next episode titled I Want

660
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: to give Up My car stealing knife wielding twerking thirteen

661
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: year old daughter who tried to frame me for a crime,

662
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: which is just a title mint to to show up

663
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: on a like like throwing twerking in there with fucking

664
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: car stealing shameless, There was that there was a cultural

665
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: hat to now Brigolie now goes by the stage name

666
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: bad Baby b h A D b h A b

667
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: I E was a prime time ready delinquent. She spoke

668
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: in a ridiculously affected hood accent and pretended to basically

669
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: be a gangster in the kind of confrontational, like nonsense

670
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: teenage way that gave Doctor Fell a lot of openings

671
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: to mock her with his witty rejoinders. I don't want

672
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: to play much of her appearance because she was a child,

673
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: and I think what Dr Phil does by having her

674
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: on is fundamentally abusive. But I do think it's important

675
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: to play how the episode starts, so you can see

676
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: how he introduces this segment and hear it you listening,

677
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: will hear it? Jamie? I want you to pay attention

678
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: to the looks on the faces of the people in

679
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: his audience. She's defiant. What has she met? Her match

680
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: with Dr Phil? You can threaten him, but time your

681
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: worst nightmare. Well, thank you. Well, you know, I've been

682
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: doing this show for fifteen years and I've met some

683
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: truly remarkable people, and I have heard thousands of stories.

684
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: Now in that time, you get to thinking that you've

685
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: seen and heard just about everything that was until today.

686
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: Meet Danielle. Now, Danielle's mom Barbara and has written to

687
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: me every year for the past three years about her daughter,

688
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: who has stold thousands of dollars, framed her mother as

689
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: a drug user, and then called to report her and

690
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: is currently facing grand theft charges. Now I answered her

691
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: call for help, and I sent my film crew across

692
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: the country to capture what was going on inside this home.

693
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: Needless to say, while my team was there, something shocking

694
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: and unexpected happened. Shortly after they had finished filming, one

695
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: of my crew members noticed that Danielle had vanished with

696
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: the keys to my crew member's car. Now, sure enough,

697
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: when Danielle's grandmother, Barbara, went outside, she found out that

698
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: Danielle had stolen the car, which had the crew members

699
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: handback wallet I D and cash inside. That's not bad enough.

700
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: Danielle's only thirteen years old. So you see. The thing

701
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: that's most interesting to me about that is the faces

702
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: of the women in the audience, um, because they are

703
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: particularly the glee right, Like That's the thing that's most

704
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: unsettling to me, is like how excited they are with

705
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: every new aspect of this story that Dr Phil reveals well.

706
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: And I also think that those reactions may not even

707
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: be I mean, those reactions in themselves are extremely coached,

708
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: where I like I used to do like audience work

709
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: when I first had moved here and had like there's

710
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: no money to my name, and you're so extremely coached,

711
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: and like before the show even starts, you're told to

712
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: do a series of facial expressions for the editors to

713
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: work with, and so it's it's like manipulation top to

714
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: bottom with how it's handled, because it's like, not only

715
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: is he obviously not has no vested interest in the

716
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: well being of this kid, like he also, like I

717
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: I would argue probably that editing is completely fucking doctored

718
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I have no idea if that's the

719
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: those if those face expressions match, like what was actually

720
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: going down. But like it's all I guess specifically the

721
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: idea that they wanted to show those reactions because I

722
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: think they're trying to coach or response. They're trying to

723
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: coach response from the people watching at home to write

724
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: this like this, the voyeurism, Like it makes it clear

725
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: none of this is about helping anyone. It's about laughing

726
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: at quote unquote low class people in their problems. You know.

727
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: That's that's what Dr Phil really makes his bread doing. Sure, yeah,

728
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: but great, but fuck him. Like she went on to

729
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: like have a successful like she's eighteen, she's she was

730
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: nominated for an American Music Award. She was I didn't

731
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: know that good. I'm glad there's a happy ending that

732
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: I don't know much about baby now. And like she's

733
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, signed a record label. I mean, and she

734
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: is standing up for what happens. We're about to get

735
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: into that. Yeah, So Grigoli went viral, and within the

736
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: confines of the episode, Dr Phil positions himself as a

737
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: dispenser of tough love. His prescription was to send Brigoli

738
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: to one of his favorite therapeutic boarding schools, Turnabout Ranch

739
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: in Utah. This is an actual working ranch where troubled

740
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: teams are sent under the impression that working in the

741
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: country and rate riding horses will get them off of drugs,

742
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: premarital sex, and petty crime. In subsequent episodes, Brigoli filmed

743
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 1: an update from the ranch where she dropped her fake

744
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,959
Speaker 1: accent and claimed to feel okay with who I am now,

745
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: but she was not being honest understandably so in two

746
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, she released an original song and gave

747
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: a different view of her experience that turnabout quote. I

748
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: was pretty it was pretty miserable. I did not know

749
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: what was going on in the real world. This place

750
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: was far away from anything. There wasn't even service there,

751
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: she says in the song. A couple of weeks after

752
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: being home, I finally decided that I wanted to meet

753
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: up with my best friend again, somebody who was not

754
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: good for me at all. Instantly I'd say it was.

755
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: The next day we got back to doing our old

756
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: shit again, smoking, trying to finance people for money, just

757
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: doing really, really dumb shit. Her reintegration into society was

758
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: made all the more difficult by the fact that when

759
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: she returned to school and the internet, she realized rather

760
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: suddenly that she'd gone viral for being a ridiculous train

761
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: wreck of a person on a nationally syndicated TV program.

762
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: She claims that this basically made her decide to quote

763
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: lean into the bad behavior that had made her famous.

764
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: Once you've become a meme, there are a lot of

765
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: ways to get a clean slate. There's no right to

766
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: be forgotten in the US, So why wouldn't Burgoli just

767
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: keep being the person everyone already thought she was. This

768
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: gets to one of the things I think is worst

769
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: about the Doctor Phil show. It's one thing to shamelessly

770
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: milk the worst moments and the greatest shames in the

771
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: life of an adult. It's another thing, entirely to do

772
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: that to a child who has no real way to

773
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: understand the long term Yeah, no way that she could

774
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: have possibly understood the law long term consequences of being

775
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: coming that kind of famous. It's completely it's like violent

776
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: every level, and it's like whatever I mean, clearly, Doctor

777
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: Bill does not give a fun no, not a not

778
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: a third of a fuck. Yeah, but it is and

779
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: and it also I think like speaks to how especially

780
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: for a kid, which is like that should doing what

781
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: he does to children should be illegal should yes, you

782
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: should not be allowed to do ship like that. And

783
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: on top of that, it speaks to like how, I

784
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like I remember that clip when it

785
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: first came out, and there was no popular conversation about

786
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: like the well being of the child who's clearly being

787
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: exploited by a multimillionaire, and and it's and and and

788
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: I see that. I mean, it's when you're introduced in

789
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: the public that way, and you are coming from a

790
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: place of poverty, and you are not being empowered at

791
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: all or protected, Like what are you supposed to do?

792
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: Like that miserable, cruel situation to be put in, It's

793
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: it's fucked up. Yeah, now, Jamie, that's all pretty bad, right.

794
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: Everything we've talked about happening to Brigolie is bad. But

795
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: to make matters worse, the ranch Dr Phil sent her

796
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other kids too was about as

797
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: ethical as oh, I don't know, the drug rehabilitation treatment

798
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: programs he was also sending kids to. I'm going to

799
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: quote again from BuzzFeed. It's not clear if turnabout is

800
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: actually helpful to the kids or go who go, or

801
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: if it's just another facility that takes advantage of the

802
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: miners who were sent there to get better. Just last week,

803
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: nineteen year old Hannah archioletta suit the school for an

804
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: alleged sexual assault that she said happened to her while

805
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: she was staying at Turnabout at just seventeen. This is

806
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: likely to be a high profile profile case too, with

807
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: Gloria Alread representing her Turnabout administrators provided a statement to

808
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: me saying they took immediate action after Archiletta claimed she

809
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: had been assaulted, but that her father removed her from

810
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: the facility before we could conduct a full inquiry. The

811
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: statement continued, we would never take lightly an allegation of

812
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: his treatment to any of our students. Now that this

813
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: incident is the subject of litigation, we must withhold our

814
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: full response for a later date. Now, the owner of

815
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: this ranch is Aspen Education Group, which was then bought

816
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: by CRC, which is now owned by Acadia Healthcare. In

817
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: an email statement to BuzzFeed News, Akadia's director of investor Relations,

818
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: Gretchen Hamrick, said, it is my understanding that Turnabout Ranch

819
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: and Aspen Educational Group were closed or sold prior to

820
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: a Kadia's acquisition of CRC. Health. In any event, Akadia

821
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: never operated either of the facilities. Turnabout has gone through

822
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: multiple owners, and since two thousand fourteen, has been owned

823
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: by current and former employees of the ranch, but Aspen

824
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: Education has been accused of multiple infractions by former attendees,

825
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: including lawsuits that claimed psychological torture, abuse, sexual assault, and

826
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: human trafficking. The torture suit was dismissed, but CRC, the

827
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: owner of Aspen Education at the time, declined to address

828
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: specific allegations. Arcadia did not answer our questions about these

829
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: allegations either. So just not only like a bunch of

830
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: people involved in this have been alleged of things including

831
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: human trafficking. There's been sexual assault allegations at the ranch,

832
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: but it like goes there's revolving carousel of owners because

833
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: it's like a shady fucking It's just like they're pumping

834
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: a quick amount of cash at and then selling it

835
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,959
Speaker 1: to somebody else. It's so fucking shady. Sure, that's yeah,

836
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure that that's the intergirl to it being able

837
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: to survive at all, to be constantly changing hands, that's

838
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole team treatment industry. Like I've done

839
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: a number of art back when I was at Cracked,

840
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: I did a number of articles survivors of these facilities,

841
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: like all of these facilities are basically child molestation factories,

842
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: and like child abuse factories in general, not always molestation.

843
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes they just killed them from neglect. You know, there

844
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: was there was the good ones. That's the point where

845
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: like Harris Hilton made a documentary about it last year. Yeah, yeah,

846
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Speaker 1: it's Paris Hilton and actually Danielle Burgoli Bad Baby are

847
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Speaker 1: involved right now with going against Dr Phil about this

848
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: exact place. So it's very interesting that it does. I

849
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: don't know much about her always mentioned but besides the

850
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: stuff that was like famous about how shitty she was

851
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years ago, but it seems like she's been

852
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Speaker 1: doing some like good socially responsible stuff lately, Paris. Yeah,

853
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, it seems like it seems

854
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Speaker 1: like she has. I mean, also, I'm like, I'm not

855
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Speaker 1: I'm not about to I'm not going to go to

856
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Speaker 1: back for the stop being poor lady, but yeah, right right,

857
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: right right, But but yeah, that that specific instance, I'm

858
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Speaker 1: glad if you have wealth and prominence and you use

859
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: it to take a swing at the teen treatment industry,

860
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: that gets you a couple of points in my book,

861
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: because it's a fucking nightmare. Um, maybe we'll do a

862
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: deeper episode about it at some point. But a lot

863
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: of the allegations that we just listed about this facility

864
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Speaker 1: and it's many owners pre date the episodes of Dr

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Speaker 1: Phil where he gave free advertisements to the ranch. This

866
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Speaker 1: means that McGraw and his staff were well aware of

867
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Speaker 1: the allegations against Aspen and the ranch when they sent

868
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Speaker 1: children there. When questioned about this, a spokesperson for the

869
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: show said, we're aware and we're monitoring things. Since Archiletta

870
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: went public with her allegations, Burgoli has come forward with

871
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: more detail about her own experience. She now says she

872
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 1: was denied food at times and that camp administrators often

873
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: refused to let inmates change their clothes for days on end.

874
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: You're yeah, and I that's my framing, but yes, you're helpless.

875
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: You can't call your parents, you can't email your parents.

876
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: If the state says they have to give you two pebbles,

877
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: they're going to find the smallest fucking pebbles to give you.

878
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,479
Speaker 1: That's supposed to help kids get over trauma. I would

879
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: have rather went to jail, like I one of the

880
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: girls I talked to who did this when she was

881
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: like fourteen or fifteen. Like. One of the punishments they

882
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: gave her was she had to dig up the stump

883
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: of a mature tree on her own, which if you've

884
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: never had to remove a stump, it's something like three

885
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: to four large adult men usually do with a fucking

886
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: truck and power tools. She just spent days in a

887
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty degree heat, like slowly dying as she

888
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: tried to force the stump out as a child, like

889
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: these places are all nightmares. Um Rogoli is, of course,

890
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: not the only teenager featured on The Doctor Phil Show.

891
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: BuzzFeed writers Scotchy Cowell announces announced Sorry, Scotchy, I don't

892
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: know if I'm getting that right. Um alleges that while

893
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: McGraw is healthy is happy to feature children of all genders,

894
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: he gets particularly aggressive with teenage girls. Quote their most

895
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: vulnerable private moments, screaming and crying at home, are used

896
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: on the show until the very end, when their parents

897
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: decide to send them to turn About. Every episode of

898
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: The Doctor Phil Show ends with an after the taping

899
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: segment where the kids find out they're going to a

900
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: ranch in the middle of nowhere and usually cry, which

901
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: is of course great television. Most kids featured in this

902
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: way do not get any updates on the Doctor Phil show,

903
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: or at most mentioned briefly once more. Daytime TV moves

904
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: too fast for the doctor to actually check back in

905
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: with most of his patients. In two thousand and eight,

906
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: Doctor Phil spun off and created a new show, The Doctors.

907
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: Every episode of this show features a plastic surgeon, an obstetrician,

908
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: and an e er doc who talk about different health topics.

909
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: Sounds like it might be shop waiting room classic. We're

910
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: not going to go into a lot of detail about this,

911
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: but a two fourteen study of the show determined that

912
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: about thirty seven percent of their recommendations were not credible,

913
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: which honestly means they're doing better than I Yeah, I

914
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: expected worse than I expected. If you're a doctor, for example,

915
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: said thirty seven percent of the time I'm going to

916
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: give you bad advice, you would find a new doctor there.

917
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, d that's not the worst thing. Yeah,

918
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: imagine a mechanics saying that, Yeah, thirty seven percent of

919
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: the time the breaks I put in work, you know

920
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: your odds are pretty good. Okay, fair enough. I thought

921
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: it was like, there's no way they're somewhat correct sixty

922
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: percent of the time. Why yes, and again somewhat being

923
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: the operative word. Sure, we could go into a lot

924
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: of other case studies have particularly egregious guest choices, but

925
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: going over all these sad people in the will way

926
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: Phil exploits them at nauseum kind of runs the risk

927
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: of being sorrow porn it's self. I do think it

928
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: behooves us to look at one last case study, perhaps

929
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: the most nauseating guest choice of the whole series. Twenty

930
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: four year old Gabby came on The Doctor Phil Show

931
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: in February. She had promised to act as a surrogate

932
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: womb for two different couples. Gabby had not taken any

933
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: money from them, and she could not bear children. She

934
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: is infertile and chronically ill. Her father claims she has psychosis,

935
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: bipolar disorder, and learning disabilities. In the show, it's revealed

936
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: that Gabby's mom died right around the time she started

937
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: pretending to be a surrogate, which was also a period

938
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: where she was the victim of constant bullying at school.

939
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: From BuzzFeed, quote her scam wasn't illegal because Gavy never

940
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: asked for money or items from the couple she lied to.

941
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: It's just tragic, hurtful behavior from someone deeply isolated and

942
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: in dire need of mental health care from multiple past traumas.

943
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: Most of the episode focuses on the producers following Gabby

944
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: around backstage, begging her to come on stage when she

945
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: clearly doesn't want to. They all her difficult and volatile,

946
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: and though she signed an appearance release, it's not clear

947
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: to the audience that she has read and understood it.

948
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: When a producer asks her on camera to confirm she

949
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: understands the waiver, she doesn't respond and covers her face

950
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: with the pages of the release, but she's certainly remorseful

951
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: and seems to feel guilty. In a pre taped interview,

952
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: Gabby cries to the producers, I just want to say

953
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: sorry to everyone that I've heard. When she walks off

954
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: the stage in anguish, McGraw merely SIPs his water. In size,

955
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: the episode is near unwatchable. Yeah, I mean that that

956
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like consent was gained at all. I mean,

957
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: there were so many red flags. It doesn't sound like

958
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 1: she's capable of consenting to that. Yeah, I don't even

959
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: know what to think. I mean that entire though, because

960
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't trust any of the information that anyone is

961
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: presenting in this in this way. But that's just, I mean,

962
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: very clear, there is not an issue that should be

963
00:55:53,320 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: handled handled only that is Yeah, that is just despicable.

964
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: So Doctor Jeff Sugar, an assistant professor of clinical psychology

965
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: at USC, provided a description of the Doctor Phil show

966
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: that I think acts as as as good a coda

967
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: to this episode as anything. Quote, it's a callous and

968
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: inexcusable exploitation. These people are barely hanging on. It's like

969
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: if one of them was drowning and approaching a lifeboat

970
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: and instead of throwing them an inflatable donut, you throw

971
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 1: them an anchor. And that's Dr Philip. Baby, d Phil.

972
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: I am so upset about, Like I just this was

973
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 1: like one of my like the toughest lessons of all times,

974
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: maybe because he's just still such a real present public

975
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: disgrace and danger, but like, holy sh it, I I

976
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: can't even enjoy Dr Phil Needs. I was gonna show

977
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: you Dr Phil Needs. I'm not gonna fuck it, fuck it,

978
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 1: fuck him. Put him through a shredder. Put him through

979
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: a shredder, and you at home, put yourself through a shredder.

980
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: But a good kind of shredder that makes you helpful,

981
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: life affirming kind of shredder, you know, in a way,

982
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: in a way, every is that if it is not

983
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: just capitalism yourself friend, Well with that, Jamie, I think

984
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: it's time for you to plug a plug double and

985
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: get the get the funk out of this zoom call

986
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: and go live your your goddamn life, Jamie, go live

987
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: your fucking life. You know I'm dying to live my life.

988
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: So you can, just you can. You can listen to

989
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: the podcast. You can listen to the the Ecto Past, you

990
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: listen to the lead Up podcast, and can listen to

991
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: my You're and Mensa, and you can listen to my

992
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: new show about Kathie Comics that comes out in June.

993
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: God damn it, God damn it, and all your this

994
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: is miserable, damn god yourself. Yeah it was, Jamie, it

995
00:57:48,400 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: really was all right. Well, fight the Internet life,