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Hiring Indeed is 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: all you need. 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: Let's get into this. 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: So do you you talked about they curve a lot, 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: the yell curve inverted this past week? What does that 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: mean for the economy and the stock market? A Do 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: you want to just explain what the yell curve is? 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 4: So, when the so let's say if you have a 24 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: two year bond and a ten year bond. Normally, what 25 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 4: happens investors will put more money into the ten because 26 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 4: the longer term investment usually pays or yields gives more. 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 4: And when it inverts, when the two year begins to 28 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 4: pay more, that's when we. 29 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: Know there's a sign of a recession. 30 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 4: So last year, ironically enough, on a marked keeping episode, 31 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 4: which is one year from last week, we talked about 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 4: that being the second most important indicator. So the top 33 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 4: three indicators are quantitative easy from the Federal Reserve that's 34 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 4: gone away, Number two, the inverted yell curve, and then 35 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 4: number three holding in the market for twenty years. So 36 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 4: the two curves that matter the most, please write this 37 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 4: down the two year and ten So that's one pair 38 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 4: and a five and thirty. So if both of those 39 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: ever across to zero or blow and we're going to 40 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 4: have a terrible recession. Now one of them hit last week, 41 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 4: please put in chat which one it was. But if 42 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 4: we have we see the two and tenure bond drop 43 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 4: and the five and thirty drop and they cross underneath, 44 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 4: that is a sign that a recession is gonna come now, 45 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: So lagging indicator. So it doesn't mean that the next 46 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 4: day is gonna immediately go into recession. It takes around 47 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 4: twelve to sixteen months for a recession. 48 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: To kick in. 49 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 4: But when I did my analysis, I have it at 50 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 4: eleven months before we hit potential recession area in the market, 51 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 4: So please keep your eye on that. 52 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: But those are the two that mattered the most. 53 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,839 Speaker 4: Now I know, Jamal this week talked about the three 54 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 4: month and the eighteen month is less reliable. It's like 55 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 4: the equivalent of trading like on a one minute chart. 56 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 4: It's like it can flicker. Is not the most important, 57 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 4: but if all three hit, you have a one hundred 58 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 4: one hundred percent guarantee for a recession. But I look 59 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 4: at the two and the ten and five and the thirty, 60 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 4: those are the two most two parents of the R curve. 61 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's interesting because you said that most people say 62 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 5: twelve to eighteen months, and so there's there's plenty of 63 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 5: analysts who are saying that this year could still be 64 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 5: a positive year, right, And even if you count that right, 65 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 5: there's still eight months left in this year, so that 66 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 5: can still happen and we can still be headed toward recession. 67 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: Territory. 68 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: So you're saying that's going to get worse. You think 69 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 3: the ecomomy is going to get worse. 70 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: I think we're gonna spike up. 71 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 4: And we can segue from one of your favorite conversations 72 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 4: with politics. And then after we have the midterms, because 73 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 4: Biden's approval rate is solo, the probability of the Democrats 74 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 4: keeping those seats right now is less than probably thirty percent. 75 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 4: And then usually I want you to we talked about 76 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 4: it maybe last year, but does do we have a 77 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 4: greater chance of going into a recession if we have 78 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 4: a republican lead or democratically? Historically it has been republican. 79 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 4: So when you study the cycles of everything, you understand, 80 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 4: given the economic climate that we're in, plus mismanagement of 81 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 4: presidential cabinet and some of the economic affairs, the Russian 82 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 4: Ukraine situation, quantitative ease and going away when this power 83 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: grabs shifts, I think we'll going for the rest of 84 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: the year. But then that year would be pretty tumultuous, 85 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 4: to say the least. 86 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 5: All Right, So, I mean Friday was the beginning of 87 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 5: the second quarter. So let's just I'm going to give 88 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 5: you some statistics, really crazy so people understand how what 89 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 5: we look like for the first quarter this year. So 90 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 5: the DAD was down four point six percent, SMP was 91 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 5: down five percent, and you know our favorite, one of 92 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 5: our favorites, the nastack was down nine percent for the 93 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 5: first quarter. However, however, April is historically the best month 94 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 5: of the year for stocks. 95 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: Now March kind. 96 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 5: Of brought us backward. That we were way lower than 97 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 5: nine percent, five percent and four point six So the 98 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 5: S and P has averaged over the past since World 99 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 5: War Two, a one point seven percent gain in the 100 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 5: month of April. So that's seventy percent of the time 101 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 5: on average, it has about it in April, depending on 102 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 5: how the first quarter went. Now, the interesting you brought 103 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 5: thing you brought up just now was the midterm election. 104 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 5: When there are midterms, I think like sixty percent of 105 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 5: the time, the second quarter usually is down and. 106 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: Then the third quarter. 107 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 5: Now, so these are this conflicting indicated. 108 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: But it's interesting. 109 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 5: This episode is brought to you by P and C Bank. 110 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 5: A lot of people think podcasts about work are boring, 111 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 5: and sure they definitely can be. 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Hiring Indeed is 158 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: all you need. 159 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 5: Because usually, like we said, April is the best month, 160 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 5: and we kind of saw that last year a little bit, 161 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 5: and then May kind of you know, went down, and 162 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 5: we saw a June there was a spike again, so 163 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 5: interesting to keep your eyes on. 164 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you're looking at the short term horizon, 165 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 4: that may be scary, but if you're looking at the 166 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 4: long term one year, two year, three, you're going to 167 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,559 Speaker 4: be fine. Also, hedge funds had an inclination to buy 168 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 4: in the middle of March and towards the end of March, 169 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 4: so that's why we started to see a ramping up 170 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: where January and February it felt like who was just 171 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 4: like falling off of the empire built state building, and 172 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 4: then March we took off to the upside. Same with 173 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 4: on booking buying, so on Mondays and Fridays after hours 174 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 4: is when most our institutions will begin to buy in 175 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: a never midday, so when you know they're buying. 176 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: Towards the end of that quarter cycle. 177 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 4: That was some of the reason we got some of 178 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: the ramp up, like wants to fear and stuff went 179 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 4: a way, but you keep your eyes over the next 180 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 4: couple of months. If you're new to investment, I know 181 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 4: this may be scary, but please just hold. 182 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: For the long term. We have to. 183 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 4: We have the same considerations and concerns during uh the 184 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 4: election with Trump and Biden, and everyone was worried and 185 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 4: then we just took off to the upside. So if 186 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: you hold for the long term, it really won't matter. Yeah, 187 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 4: these next three or four months will be pretty interesting, 188 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 4: to say the least. 189 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, the most most analysts are predicting anywhere between point 190 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 5: seven to one percent increase in the SMP. Well some 191 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 5: people even saying that, you know, they could end at 192 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 5: fifty one hundred by the end of the year. But 193 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 5: that's still like you said, if recessions are lacked and 194 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 5: they go anywhere from twelve to sixty eighteen months out, 195 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 5: we can still be in that. So just everybody just 196 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 5: be mindful of that. And so another thing, another thing. 197 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 5: So I know a lot of times. 198 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: People like can be time, When when should we invest? 199 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: What's the best time to invest? 200 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 5: If you invested, I believe it was February twenty fourth 201 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 5: or twenty twenty two this year when NASA, I know 202 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 5: the S and P got to it though, you've actually 203 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 5: made an increase on so you know what I mean. 204 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 5: Like when we talk about watching charts and then just 205 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 5: get your points of when you're gonna buy in, this 206 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 5: is exactly what we're talking about. So you could be 207 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,599 Speaker 5: having a great year right now based on everything that 208 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 5: we're saying, even with all the industries being down. If 209 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 5: you got in at that point, you're up a pretty 210 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 5: good percentage. 211 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And anytime anyone panics, it is your chance to 212 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 4: profit as long as you get in at a good price. 213 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 4: So for example, like that amazing hoodie with shot has 214 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 4: on and we' on sale for nine bucks, the upside 215 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 4: is infinite because I'm sure it's retelling for one fifty 216 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 4: two hundred. Everything is about the price that you get 217 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 4: in plus length of time that you're willing to hold. 218 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 4: So if you better bought that bad price, you've got destroyed. 219 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 4: But the same thing I said in the eighty five 220 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 4: South interview, I'm like, hey, tuls is going to drop 221 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: the eight forty three as of today, it was a 222 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 4: onenty twenty four. When everyone else's panicking over good assets, 223 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 4: you should be looking to buy and that's how you'll 224 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: be able to make money even when most people are 225 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 4: losing in the current market. 226 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: Yes, so let's let's go into this. What are some 227 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: other signal for a recession to look out for when 228 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: things are getting bad? 229 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 4: So number one, when valuations the startups are being cut. 230 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 4: So like, for example, instacart, the value got about thirty 231 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 4: eight percent on March twenty fifth. 232 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: The business model of Instacart hasn't changed. 233 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 4: And let's be honest, if you looking at top line 234 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 4: revenue or bottom line revenue, that hasn't changed much. But 235 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 4: people were chasing. So same with momentum stocks. Everyone was 236 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 4: chasing at a high. The same thing was happening in 237 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 4: VC and Angel and the other indicator. 238 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: That have a Federal Reserve probability recession model that you 239 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: look at. 240 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 4: If you just go to Google, you can just put 241 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 4: recession probability model and updates the thing every two months. 242 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 4: But they'll tell you the probability in which we have 243 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 4: a chance of going into a recession. So if you 244 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 4: compare that two year and ten, five and thirty and 245 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 4: if you look at the startup vehicles and see how 246 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 4: many are increasing in value or decreasing. 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