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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: Hulle For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard

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Speaker 2: so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for dake Eda State. Is

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Speaker 2: that woo woom?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 3: Dan Rubenstein, we have a national champion. Congratulations to the

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Speaker 3: sixteen and oh Indiana Who Hoo Hoosiers twenty seven twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Indiana completes the perfect season, completes the storybook ending, completes

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Speaker 3: the national championship for the first time ever in the

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Speaker 3: history of the football program, going into the belly of

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Speaker 3: the beast, winning this one in hard Rock Stadium in

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Speaker 3: Miami on a historic evening in South part of the

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Speaker 3: Indiana Hoosiers get it done, my friend, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Think about how ridiculous that sounds. The Indiana Hoosiers get

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Speaker 2: it done in the national championship, the football, the college

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Speaker 2: football Playoff, National Championship, the Indiana Hoosiers.

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. I'm a little bit speechless. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: two components to this. There's the whole element of needing

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Speaker 1: to suspend disbelief for a minute in order to talk

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Speaker 1: order to do the game justice, in order to do

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Speaker 1: what Indiana did justice, we need to focus on that,

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Speaker 1: and we can circle back around and put this in

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Speaker 1: historical context. Please put this in solid verbal content, whatever

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Speaker 1: version of that we want. We'll get to that a

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Speaker 1: little bit later on. Please hit follow, Please hit subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Both our voices are a little bit raspy. We just

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Speaker 1: did a three hour and forty five minute live stream

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Speaker 1: a watch along throughout the course of this game. We

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Speaker 1: would love to have you along with us for the

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Speaker 1: remainder of this now off season as we go over

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Speaker 1: to two episodes per week, Dan Rubinstein, but twenty seven

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Speaker 1: to twenty one, Man, we both were sort of close

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Speaker 1: with their final score prediction. Mine was thirty one twenty

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Speaker 1: I think yours was twenty eight seventeen. So we were

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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. Yep, let's start at the very top here. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we talked in the preview about our keys to victory

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Speaker 1: for both Miami and Indiana. I think, to our credit

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Speaker 1: in both cases, both teams tried to do kind of

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Speaker 1: but Indiana was just a little bit better around the edges,

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Speaker 1: just a little bit better on the margins. That's ultimately

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Speaker 1: how they got this dub. So why don't we start

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Speaker 1: here at the top. I'll kick it over to you.

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Speaker 1: I've been talking too much and I got to conserve

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Speaker 1: the pipes. Yeah, what stood out to you in this

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Speaker 1: win for Indiana and how'd they get it done?

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Speaker 2: Indiana just consistently stayed in it right, even when the

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Speaker 2: offense wasn't there, even when the running game wasn't there,

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Speaker 2: because they were being walloped up front by Miami's extraordinary

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Speaker 2: front on defense. Indiana state the course, they made plays

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Speaker 2: in huge moments, obviously, the Fernando Mendoza play, obviously, the

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Speaker 2: blocked punt for a touchdown play, obviously, the game sealing interception.

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Speaker 2: And in those huge moments when it looked like Miami

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Speaker 2: committing penalties, multiple penalties on those drives. Right, It's the

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Speaker 2: story of being buttoned up or being a little bit

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Speaker 2: less than buttoned up in special teams with turnovers in

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Speaker 2: high leverage moments, not committing penalties. I'm sure Miami fans

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Speaker 2: are yelling at their air pods or car stereos or

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Speaker 2: whatever speaker they're listening to this or YouTube whatever, saying

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Speaker 2: there should have been thirty seven called holds on the

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Speaker 2: Indiana offensive line. Listen, Reuben Bain and a key mesidor

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Speaker 2: wreaking havoc hold on, And to that, I say, you're

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Speaker 2: tell you if you bathe in the that was a hold, Jacuzzie,

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Speaker 2: You'll never be satisfied watching this sport now. But you're

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Speaker 2: probably right. I'm just telling you that the penalties weren't great.

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Speaker 2: Miami got away with a blatant defensive holding that wasn't called.

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Speaker 2: I believe in the defensive backfield on an Indiana player

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Speaker 2: got to live in the like, here's what we can control,

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Speaker 2: get creative on third down, fourth down. You got to execute.

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Speaker 2: You can't make killer mistakes. And Indiana was the team

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Speaker 2: We're still talking about a game in which Miami's offense

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Speaker 1: Yep, they had more total yardage as well. Yes, in

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Speaker 1: did try to run the Mario Chrystoball version of big

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Speaker 2: But they also went away from Mark Fletcher for a stretch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So look it's Miami starting out the game abhorrent

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Speaker 2: a perfect game. They kept things pretty conservatively for stretches,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't a perfect game. It wasn't a clean game.

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Speaker 2: The difference in this game was Indiana was better prepared

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Speaker 1: It was like oh for six or oh for seven. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: There was an a rhythmic quality. And we're not giving

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Speaker 2: a ton of credit, especially the secondary. A big part

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Speaker 2: it's okay, I guess if it's called both ways, but

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Speaker 2: at some point, but it was an extraordinarily physical game

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Speaker 2: and ultimately, once again it's Indiana being the more buttoned

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Speaker 1: I think that's right, And yeah, a couple things stand

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Speaker 2: I think what Indiana did was in spite of getting

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Speaker 1: I think in perpetuity. But the big call Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: This was something they saw in this game, the coverage

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really tough, and so I listen, you got

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Speaker 2: A beautiful play call in that one where they used

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, But I think we came to a point in

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Speaker 2: Give my Angelo Ponds everywhere, by the way, not to

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Speaker 2: No, I couldn't agree more. It was a great game,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Indiana's your national champion.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to get your head around this.

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't know what you're twenty right, you know,

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Speaker 1: And then there were other Indiana fans who chimed in

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Speaker 2: The only thing I'll push back on is maybe just

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Speaker 1: I mean one of the things that you and I

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Speaker 1: Is it just right bunch of players with an Indiana

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Speaker 1: And we don't need to drone on about how the

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Speaker 2: Know that Indiana did a better job riding the wave

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Speaker 1: But I think the improbable nature of taking a program

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Speaker 1: that has been a doormat and convincing enough quality talent

435
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Speaker 1: to come there in spite of all that, that is

436
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Speaker 1: the real genius of Signetti. His ability to get these

437
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Speaker 1: guys in as quickly as he did granted thirteen guys

438
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: from JMU his first year obviously was very successful still

439
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: some of those guys around, but was more successful this

440
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Speaker 1: time around, clearly in the transfer portal to assemble his

441
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: roster in twenty twenty five twenty six here. But the

442
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: improbable nature of taking a program that's been this down

443
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: and out rebuilding its so quickly, and the pixie dust

444
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: of getting guys to want to come to Indiana I

445
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: think is the hard part, because it's just not a

446
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: prestigious football program. Why would it be the fact that

447
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: he was able to do this as quickly as he did,

448
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: the fact that they were as efficient, the fact that

449
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: they were as surgical and clinical as they ended up

450
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Speaker 1: being here in the very end against a very good

451
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Speaker 1: team in the Miami Hurricanes. Their run this season, they're

452
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Speaker 1: run through the playoffs. I need more time to think

453
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: about it, honestly, about what this means, because it to

454
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 1: me just feels like I'm still pinching myself a little bit.

455
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Speaker 2: Let's I mean, look, if you're going to take stock

456
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: of it, it's Kurt Signetti, who did not have an

457
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: opportunity at a major place until last year, finds Cal's quarterback.

458
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: Cal is best known for being like a team with

459
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Speaker 2: funny fans. Last season they go six and six, and

460
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: I've heard stories about how the end of everything played

461
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: out for Fernando Mendoza at Cal. I'm sure there's truth

462
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: to all sorts of different stories about how everything went down,

463
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: but Indiana identified him. I'm sure they would talk to

464
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 2: others as well, helped to develop him this season. He

465
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: was pretty good at Cal. He was a Heisman winner

466
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Speaker 2: at Indiana. They identify Roman Hemby, who I looked up

467
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: was like the twentieth best Big ten running back from

468
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Speaker 2: Maryland in twenty twenty four. They've got the James Madison

469
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: transfers right the school that what Urban Meyer and Joel

470
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: Klatt considered to be a safety issue that James Madison

471
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: players in the playoff, it's just not fair. And then

472
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Speaker 2: you have Michale Kamara and di'angelo Pons and Elijah Surratt

473
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Speaker 2: dominating dudes. You have a road that includes consecutively beating

474
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Speaker 2: Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon in Miami, teams with wall to

475
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: wall NFL talent on both sides of the ball, that

476
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: didn't play for James Madison, that didn't play like Stephen

477
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: Daily did for Kent State. Right that, you have these

478
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: dudes just playing as a team more efficiently and more

479
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: murderously than any Is that a word, Yeah, I'd probably

480
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Speaker 2: not than anybody in the country.

481
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Speaker 1: And so.

482
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Speaker 2: Their specific path is just so wild in the way

483
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Speaker 2: that they did this that they have to win sixteen

484
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: games and go sixteen and oh to do it, because

485
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: they obviously go twelve and oh they survived scares against

486
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Speaker 2: Penn State, against Oregon, against Iowa, against Ohio State, and obviously,

487
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: you know, winning all of those games in close, impressive fashion.

488
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Speaker 2: It's just.

489
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Speaker 1: You can't.

490
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Speaker 2: I can't fully wrap my mind around the odds that

491
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Speaker 2: would take. He took him to the playoff in year

492
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: one with a mac quarter with a beat up thumb

493
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: and a torn ACL loses a ton has what the

494
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: cows Col's quarterback who led them to a six and

495
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: six record under center, taking snaps from a Notre Dame

496
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: offensive lineman who Notre Dame said hey, we like you,

497
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: but you're not gonna play here. And he goes in

498
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: state to Indiana, wins the Rose Bowl. MVP. Does he

499
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Speaker 2: not pack Hoogan right on their way to winning the

500
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: national championship in Miami against Miami, I just and beating

501
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: what Oregon by three touchdowns, four touchdowns whatever it was,

502
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: five touchdowns, beating Alabama by five touchdowns. It's just when

503
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: you start stacking the bullet points of what Indiana did

504
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: to get here, you start saying to yourself. Historically, what

505
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: are we talking about here? With college football? They don't

506
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: have the NFL receivers of like recent Alabama and LSU

507
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 2: monsters the last five six years, right, They don't have

508
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: the physical talented quarterback of like Cam Newton or any

509
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: of those like, but all of their players were just

510
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: a little bit more polished, more often than any team,

511
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: and to do it sixteen times to be unbeaten, I

512
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: don't know, man, any modern conversation about best team now

513
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: has to include this team squarely in it.

514
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Speaker 1: I also think, more broadly, the fact that a let's

515
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Speaker 1: be honest, non blue blood won the National Championship is

516
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Speaker 1: really meaningful. Yeah, for a lot of people. Now. Probably

517
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: wasn't meaningful in terms of TV ratings because I don't

518
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: think this is going to draw a big number, right,

519
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: But that's sort of beside the point. It wasn't all

520
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: that long ago you and I would go on after

521
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: the National Championship and do a stream like this, and

522
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Speaker 1: the response that we would get from people. First off,

523
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Speaker 1: people didn't download it, right, and secondly among those that did,

524
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: or among those that watched watch alongs that we did,

525
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: there was almost this sense of inevitability there was almost

526
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: this sense of, oh, yeah, this was a foregone conclusion

527
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: at the start of the year that Georgia, that Alabama,

528
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: that Ohio State was going to win the national championship,

529
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: right and Indiana winning might not be for everybody, but

530
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Speaker 1: I do think it's a pretty significant moment where we're

531
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Speaker 1: at now. It signifies where we're at now in college

532
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: football that because of the transfer portal, because of NIL,

533
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: because of all of these new factors that you didn't

534
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: have to consider a decade ago, stories like this are possible.

535
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Speaker 1: How sustainable is it? I mean, Indiana's kind of done

536
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: this two years in a row. Now we'll see what

537
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Speaker 1: they're able to do next year, what kind of a

538
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: program they're able to build moving forward. The sustainability of

539
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: building through the portal is still, I think, very much

540
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Speaker 1: in question. But the fact that Signetty was able to

541
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Speaker 1: do it two years in a row and take again

542
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: a program that's been one of, if not the worst

543
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: historic programs in all of FBS and get them to

544
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: this point now is just sort of mind blowing. And

545
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: for people like you and I who cover this, for

546
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: people in our discord and our community who I know

547
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: care about college football and often root for the underdog.

548
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: We started getting questions this week about when do we

549
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: start rooting against Indiana with how hard played and how

550
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: hard they've been to bet. That's a conversation for another day,

551
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: but I just the fact that this is possible is

552
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: I think the biggest takeaway if you're a college football fan,

553
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: if you like the sport, if you don't care about

554
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: Indiana or Miami or anybody, but the fact that you

555
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: can have this happen is I think a much needed

556
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 1: dose of like variability in the sport. To have a

557
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: new team in it means that it's possible for a

558
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: bunch of new teams that haven't been anywhere close to

559
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: it in the past, and that in and of itself,

560
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Speaker 1: I think is kind of exciting.

561
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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess and to a certain extent, you're

562
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: right right. Ole Miss ends up in the final four

563
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: and they had never done anything in terms of the

564
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: playoff for the BCS era. You know, it's been a

565
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: long time. It is possible. Ole Miss, certainly in the

566
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: last few years, has been more advantage than Indiana. Though

567
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: there is part of me that when I hear you

568
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: say that, you're like, this is possible. Via the portal

569
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: via nil Via, like the changing landscape of college football,

570
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: it's possible to find a guy to get your affairs

571
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: in order, and get your roster together, and to be

572
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: detail oriented and to just be a killer. It's happened

573
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: once in the history of this sport. Yeah, but it's possible.

574
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: And he got him the playoffs two years in a row.

575
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Speaker 2: And whatever he is doing with his portal talent is clearly.

576
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Speaker 1: Different than what nuses are doing. I mean because and

577
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: this is not to dunk on Oregon, but who gets

578
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 1: more transfers in Oregon?

579
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Speaker 2: I hear you.

580
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: Oregon got blown out by this team, and they had

581
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: better talent across the board. I would argue, maybe they're

582
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: the talent on that team that probably has a much

583
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: higher ceiling than a lot of the guys playing in Indiana.

584
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: But that's funny. By the point, they got drilled by

585
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: the Indiana So it's not all a talent thing. A

586
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: lot of it's coaching. Whatever pixie dust Kurt Signetti has

587
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: sprinkled on this Indiana program. It's it's truly remarkable, and

588
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing for the sport. I'm

589
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: sure people will grow tired of Kurt Signetti before long,

590
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: not Indiana fans, but fans of everybody else in the

591
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: Big Ten and around college football if they keep doing this.

592
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: But here we sit today, I guess it's now January

593
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: the twentieth, as we record this, we've got a new

594
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: national champions with Indiana Hoosiers. Let me take a step back.

595
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: What does this mean now for Miami having made it

596
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: to this game at home, wind, at their back home crowd.

597
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: You know, this could have been the culmination for the

598
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: crystal Ball era, for getting Miami back to previous heights

599
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: that had been you know, twenty five years since they

600
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Speaker 1: won a national championship. I guess twenty four to twenty

601
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: three years since they last played and went against Ohio State.

602
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: To get this close, to not be able to get

603
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: over the hump obviously is going to be crushing, especially

604
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: since it was at home. But I think, just as

605
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: a proof of concept, the fact that they were able

606
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: to work their way through this tournament. First off, they

607
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: almost didn't make it, but secondly, the fact that they did.

608
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: As a ten, see they beat a bunch of good teams.

609
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: They made it to this game, they ran into a juggernaut.

610
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Speaker 1: How do you feel if you're a Miami fan right now,

611
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: once the disappointment wears off.

612
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: Good is probably too strong a word. I mean encouraged, obviously,

613
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: dramatically encouraged that Mario Christobal can build a roster via

614
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: high school recruiting and the Portal can hire coaches. Obviously

615
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: the hires of Shannon Dawson and Corey Therman. Shannon Dawson

616
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: helps to lead the number one offense in America last season,

617
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: and the defense was dramatically improved, and on all three

618
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: levels there are huge playmakers via the Portal and via

619
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: high school recruiting and development. That the progress has been

620
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: exceptional on both sides of the ball, That the offensive

621
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 2: line is going to be great for years to come.

622
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: That Darien Mensa is going to build the greatest ski

623
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: chalet that the Swiss Alps have ever seen. You can't

624
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: imagine how finally appointed the rugs will be in Darien

625
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: Mensa's Swiss ski chalet.

626
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Speaker 1: My got.

627
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: No that things aren't the Mario Chriso Ball's vision has

628
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: come to life, and you have to be thrilled by it.

629
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: That he's a Miami guy, that he understands it, he's

630
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: a recruiting killer, especially upfront, as you like to say,

631
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: what does he build it from the inside out? Tie?

632
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: That's drink if you ever hear somebody talk about Miami, Yeah,

633
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: Chris Ball building from the inside out, because that's a

634
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 2: novel concept. Only Mario Christoval knows how to do that.

635
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: That they're going to be an absolute national force moving forward.

636
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: And you know, you can grow frustrated with some of

637
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: the undisciplined elements of where Miami was this year, but

638
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: this is proof of concept, and you know, they're going

639
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: to have to keep finding quarterbacks and if they're going

640
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: to spend, they're going to keep finding quarterbacks. But beyond that,

641
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: we'll see what they look like with coaching turnover, with

642
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: coordinator coaching turnover. And I don't know, I think they

643
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: are the clear team in the ACC moving forward, especially

644
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: now that they took the ACC champions quarterback from underneath

645
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: their their roster. So yeah, Miami is the absolute, you know,

646
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: top of the line in that conference and should be

647
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: a perennial playoff contender moving forward.

648
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Miami's going to lose a lot. They're

649
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: going to lose a lot before correct, you know, losing

650
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: those edge rushers will.

651
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: Hurt Stacy Maligoa.

652
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's there's a lot of beef

653
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: that's that's going to be walking out. But you still

654
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: got Malachai Tony for at least two more seasons. It

655
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: looks as if it's going to be Darien Mensa at quarterback.

656
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: There's enough to build on here. And to the point,

657
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: this is crystal Ball's vision come to life. This was

658
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: a team that you know as it's a program that

659
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: has been a massing talent, and he's been doing a

660
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: really good job of it. They have been slowly building.

661
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: I think given the state of affairs in the ACC,

662
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: if you're a Miami fan, it's a very realistic expectation

663
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: to expect that you'll be back in the playoff and

664
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: get another bite at the Apple next year. And so

665
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: I for as disappointing as it is to lose this

666
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: game at home and to have a team this good,

667
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: with a pass rush and a defense this good and

668
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: not be able to convert, I think Miami is going

669
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 1: to get several more opportunities in the years to come.

670
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: So I would, after the disappointment wears off, probably hang

671
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: my hat on that because crystal Ball has proven at

672
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: every stake. You can say what you want about him

673
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: trying to play bully ball and some of the conservative

674
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: decisions that he has made in spots. Dude knows how

675
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: to recruit, and he knows how to recruit to the

676
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive lines. Right. He is an offensive lineman

677
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: at heart, so he cares about the trenches and yes, drink.

678
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: When you build from the inside out, that tends to

679
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: be a pretty sustainable way to go about doing your business.

680
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm encouraged by Miami getting to this game.

681
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm encouraged by how they didn't wilt when they went

682
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: down a few scores. I'm encouraged by how they sort

683
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: of made adjustments on the fly. It was a parent

684
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: if you watch the game. So there's a lot of

685
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: good here on the Miami side. They just a couple

686
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: key moments went against him. The punt block, obviously, the turnover, late.

687
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: Penalties, yeah, penalty, just a few.

688
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: It's it's tough to even call them dumb things. They're

689
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: just sort of like incidental things that happened throughout the

690
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: course of a football game that went against Miami. And

691
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: if a few things break in their direction, maybe we're

692
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: having a different conversation here.

693
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: So, okay, so now we have a Miami program that

694
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: will have not championship expectations, because there have always been

695
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: championship expectations, but supported proof of concept championship expectations for

696
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: Mario Cristobal. Right, so now you're operating under the umbrella

697
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 2: of Okay, you have shown us that you can lead

698
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: us to that championship conversation. What is your next move?

699
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: What are your next two moves? What are the games

700
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: that we shouldn't be losing anymore that we're losing or

701
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: not losing that kind of thing. Right then, now it's

702
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: all in a different context. Now Miami hadn't been to

703
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: the playoff. Now they're a championship contender in the last drive. Similarly,

704
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: now Indiana fans expect a championship contender, not championships every year.

705
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: Once you fly first class DAN, once you fly first

706
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: class nineteen B doesn't quite cut it in the same way.

707
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: And so Indiana fans know the drill. They know how

708
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: this team is going to be built. In the short term.

709
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: I assume that Kurtzignetti is going to I mean, they

710
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: do try and succeed on in the high school ranks.

711
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: As well, but we understand where the focus has been

712
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: and will continue to be with you know, bringing in

713
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: guys like Nick Marsh and Josh Hoover, guys like that.

714
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: So the expectation now for Indiana fans, and I think

715
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: rightfully so, is they've got to be a tennish win

716
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 2: program moving forward.

717
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Speaker 1: Right.

718
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: You're not saying championship or bust every year, no, but

719
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: you're saying, Okay, you've exclusively gone to the College Football Playoff,

720
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: and it looks like we're expanding, if not this year,

721
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: in the coming couple or whatever. Right, So Indiana as

722
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: now like an eight and four program is going to

723
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: grow really unacceptable, really fast. Yeah, so I don't expect it.

724
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 2: How Indiana got to this point tells me that they're

725
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: not going to be an eight and four program anytime soon.

726
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: But they got to hit on these transfers every year.

727
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: They got to hit on Josh Hoover, they got to

728
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: hit on whoever they're bringing in to replace the James

729
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: Madison players that Signetti brought with him to Bloomington. So

730
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: that's going to be the interesting thing. Can he make

731
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: this style work forever? Who am I to say no?

732
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: But that's the question now for Indiana fans, not style,

733
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: but this method of roster building, program building, and development.

734
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: I have nothing to stand on when he won a

735
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: NASH championship in two years. So that's going to be

736
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: the question now. Playing with the expectations, playing with Okay,

737
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: you're in a conference with Ohio State and whatever Michigan's

738
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: going to be under, Kyle Winning, called Winningham, Matt Campbell's

739
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: Penn State, Dan Lannings Oregon, Lincoln Riley's USC, Kirk Farrence's Iowa, whatever,

740
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: you take your pick. There are pretty good to really

741
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 2: good teams in this conference. I'm not terribly worried about

742
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: Pat Fitzgerald and Michigan State. Happy to be proven wrong there.

743
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: But this, this is new context for Indiana. It's not

744
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 2: just a cute story when you go through Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon, Miami.

745
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: This is a force now and so now Indiana expects

746
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: something in the vicinity of a force moving forward. And

747
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 2: that's that's definitely different for Indiana football fandom.

748
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think back a couple of years

749
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: when it was Georgia against TCU out in LA and

750
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: you and I were out there. We did a live

751
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: show out there and I remember we met a bunch

752
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: of TCU fans and the prevailing thought was that they

753
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: were going to get creamed by Georgia. Right, and the

754
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: TCU people that we talked to, we're just happy to

755
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: be there, like we're playing with house money. This is

756
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: incredible to be in this game. Very early on the

757
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: Sunny Dyke's tenure, right, I mean, this was awesome. They

758
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: were thrilled by that.

759
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: I can't believe Max Duggan told us that.

760
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: But continue, But you think of how different the mentality

761
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: was this time around. Now, different situations, it's not apples

762
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: to apples, but this was an Indiana team. This was

763
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: a fan base that expected to win this game. And

764
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: so whereas some of the TCU conversations we had, I

765
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: remember asking people, well, what happens after this? What are

766
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: your expectations after this? And nobody really had a good answer.

767
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: They were just happy to be there, like a you know,

768
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: well hopefully it continues. Well we'll see where it goes

769
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: from here. It is a much different conversation on the

770
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: Indiana side. To your point, there's going to be now

771
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: a new base level expectation, and I think that's dangerous

772
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: when you've got a huge alumni base like Indiana does

773
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: the largest in the country.

774
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: Are going to spend like they expect that they're going

775
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: to spend.

776
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: There are people that want to help boost this program further.

777
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: It is a big school in the Midwest, just because

778
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: they have not been big in football. They were big

779
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: in basketball for a long time. Everybody knows that. But

780
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: clearly this is an Indiana program now in Indiana just

781
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: in general institution that has a lot to give to

782
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: the program if they see this paying off. And so

783
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: my hunch is that the resources will be there. Obviously,

784
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: they feel pretty good about the coach they have in

785
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: place and the talent that they're bringing in. I think

786
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: it's entirely realistic to expect that they can get back

787
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: to just that ten win plateau. The ten win plateau

788
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: is sort of the watermark or the benchmark, I should say,

789
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: that's where you want to get if you want to

790
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: try and get in this playoff. You don't need to

791
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: win all the games like they did this year, but.

792
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: For now, I mean for now, you can go nine

793
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: and three and finish twentieth and you might make the

794
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: playoff next year.

795
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable. So I just think to put it in perspective,

796
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: what Indiana did here. It's certainly one of the better

797
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: college football stories that we've covered, one of the best

798
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: that I can remember. It's up there in the conversation

799
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: with some of the best sports stories that I could remember.

800
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: Just this quick turnaround in such a short period of

801
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: time to get to the height of college football. It's

802
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: pretty cool. So congratulations to the Indiana Hoosiers. Congratulations occurred

803
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 1: signetti for Nanda Mendoza. So Mark Cuban was there, Congratulations

804
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: to him. I guess, of course he's throwing in for

805
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: Nil as well.

806
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: Your girl of Bella Danger was unfortunately rooting for sure.

807
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, continue, Sorry, but an incredible story, man, I

808
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't even know what else'll say.

809
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: Indiana's schedule next year, by the way, Ohio State and

810
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: USC at home, and they are at Michigan, at Washington

811
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 2: at Nebraska. That was my first glance. Big Ten schedule

812
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: is not out yet. In terms of win our bye weeks,

813
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: winter is so and so playing so and so so.

814
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: The chronology of Indiana's schedule is not out yet. Miami

815
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: has Notre Dame on the road in South Bend. They're

816
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: at Clemson to whatever extent that is meaningful in twenty

817
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: twenty six, and they have pitt in Florida State at home. Otherwise,

818
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: it's a pretty great schedule for Miami to rebuild and

819
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: stack up a bunch of wins.

820
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: Indiana is your national champion twenty seven to twenty one.

821
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: They put the bow on a sixteen and o season,

822
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: the first ever in the history of college football. Yes,

823
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: congratulations to you, Congratulations to me. We made it through

824
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: another season. I honestly don't even know how many it's

825
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: been for us. It's been a long time that you

826
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: and I have been doing this, and that this was

827
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: one of the better seasons. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Congratulations

828
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: again to the forballers out there who I know enjoyed

829
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: the season with us and hung with us and hopefully

830
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: got their money's worth if they support us on Patreon,

831
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: or even if they don't, even if they're just getting

832
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: it for free, hopefully. Congratulations to you guys for staying

833
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: the course with us.

834
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: Not even just congratulations, thank you well that you've been

835
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: killer all season long, whether or not you've participated in

836
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: the games on Patreon and been behind the scenes with

837
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: us on Patreon, or subscribe to the YouTube channel. If

838
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: you have not subscribed to the YouTube channel, if you're

839
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: watching us there, if you've subscribed to the audio feed,

840
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: the newsletter, whatever, Your support is everything, and Ty and

841
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: I are eternally grateful. Could not do this quite literally,

842
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 2: could not do this without you. This is what we do.

843
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: We pour our heart and soul into this every day.

844
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: We started studying for this season in June, mid June,

845
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: late June. It's currently the real feel is negative four

846
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: hundred outside in wintertime here in the Midwest, So it's

847
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: a slog in the best way. And what keeps our

848
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: heads above water is everybody who seems to enjoy the show,

849
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 2: even if it means your team isn't good this year,

850
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: even if it means your team crushes your heart, even

851
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: if it means your team won the national championship, even

852
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: if we argued in YouTube comments, even if Ty convinced

853
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: you after sending a mean message to our inbox to

854
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: that we can still be friends like it's incredibly meaningful,

855
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: the relationship we have with all of you. We don't

856
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: take it for granted. And it's been forty seven years

857
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 2: doing this show, and we can't wait for number forty eight.

858
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: I also want to give a shout out to other

859
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: people who do stuff like this, other people who are

860
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: in the college football content game. Sure, you know, there

861
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: are a lot of good shows. We happen to like

862
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: ours the most. Obviously we're a little bit biased, but

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Speaker 1: you've heard of, more of which you haven't. A lot

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Speaker 1: a moment's notice. It's a lot and so there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of good people out there who care about

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Speaker 1: and we are two of many, but it is a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to be in their company as Yeah, so a

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Speaker 1: big shout out and congratulations to everybody who is kind

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Speaker 1: of doing the same thing we are and putting their blood,

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Speaker 1: sweat and tears into it. It's always cool to go

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Speaker 1: out there and look to see what's going on in

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Speaker 1: the community. So yeah, that does it. Congratulations again to Indiana.

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Speaker 1: We will be doing our next episode. It drops on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: From this point forward, throughout the off season, two episodes

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Speaker 1: a week. Please do support us by hitting follow or subscribe.

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Speaker 1: We would love to have you with us through the

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Speaker 1: long cold off season. We promised we will make it

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Speaker 1: worth your while. If you want to support what Dan

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Speaker 1: and I do, help us keep the lights on, you

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Speaker 1: can go on out to patreon dot com slash solid

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Speaker 1: Verbal or go to verballers dot com either or we'll

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Speaker 1: get you over to the Patreon. We'd love to have you.

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Speaker 1: We absolutely love to have you. We've already started work

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Speaker 1: on some of the cool things we're going to be

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Speaker 1: doing for next year, so we'll talk about those in

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Speaker 1: due course. But for the meantime, we got to celebrate

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Speaker 1: this for Indiana man, definitely sixteen and oh twenty seven

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Speaker 1: to twenty one. That is your final score.

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Speaker 2: And later in the week it will be our exhaustive

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Speaker 2: Pinstripe Bowl recap.

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Speaker 1: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: for myself over here in Eastern PA. Thank you as

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Speaker 1: always for downloading, for listening, for supporting. It has been

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to be with you this season. One more time.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations to Indiana. We'll talk to y'all on a few days.

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Speaker 1: Stay summer, peace,