1 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm joined today by my very good buddy, the marketing 2 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: manager here at POLPS Game Calls, Dirk Durham Um. For 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: everybody out there kind of wanting to know his turkey 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: calling credentials, he has one exactly zero turkey calling contests. 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: He's been in exactly zero turkey calling contests. But he's 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: a day good elk hunter. And and one thing that 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: we're going to kind of explain here is we love 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: turkey hunting. We may not be the best at it, 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: we may not know everything about it, but we're going 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: to dive into why it's just got this bad image 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: amongst the Western hunters, why it's not as cool as 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 1: calling in you know, maybe an eight hundred pound bull 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: elk um, But then maybe why they should consider it cool, 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: and why it is a bunch of fun and something 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: to do in the spring. So welcome Dirk. Oh hey there, Yeah, 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: so I have been at some turkey calling contests. Oh 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: you have all right, I'm gonna correct meself, okay, okay, 18 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: the real judge, Yeah exactly, Okay, So we've got to 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: chase elk all over you know, every fall. We also 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: love the turkey hunt. You know, I wouldn't say as much, 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: but it's definitely fun. It's something to go out there 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: and do every spring. And so that's what we're gonna 23 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: dive into. But first we're gonna jump into a few 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: of our listeners questions here um that we've got. So 25 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: the first one is, I've never hunted turkey before. What 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: are the must haves? So I'm taking this question is 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: I don't need to go out and buy everything, but 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: what are the must haves. I'll let you take this 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: derk and I'll see if I can add to your 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: list at all. But you know, I I feel we 31 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: should keep the list simple. You know, whatever it is 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: for calls, whatever it is for gear, you know, shotgun, um, 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, like what's the minimum you can 34 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: go out with in the spring and be successful? Yeah, 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: So if you're a diaphragm guy, um or a girl, 36 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: you can definitely get by with just diaphragms. You can 37 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: locate with diaphragms, you can call them in with diaphragms, um. 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:09,559 Speaker 1: But I will say there are some days that diaphragms 39 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: sometimes just don't cut the mustard. I call as loud 40 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: or as different or as soft as I want, And 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: sometimes I just don't get any response. But man, you 42 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: break out a box call and wow, I mean it's 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: just a game changer. Um. I don't know if it's 44 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: just that sharp pitch of a box call or what, 45 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: but I feel like that's like I gotta have. Like, Um, 46 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: they're easy to use, especially for new callers. They're just 47 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: super easy to use the versatile and uh, it's a 48 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: great way to mix it up. Yeah, and and I'll 49 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: take it. You know, as far as what weapon you need, 50 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: if you're an archie hunter, you you can just take 51 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: your normal archery setup. Um, if you're gonna go out 52 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: there with a shotgun, any twelve or twenty gauge will work, 53 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: especially with the day's ammunition, some of the TSS loads 54 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: and some of the crazy stuff they have out there, 55 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: Like you can dang your take a four ten though. Um. 56 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: And they became a viable option now that there are 57 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: TSS loads and you can get so many pellets out there. Um. 58 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: So you know, any shotgun with with the right ammunition. Um, 59 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: you know a couple of diaphragms, Uh, you know, a 60 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: pot call with a couple of strikers. But you know, 61 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say they're there, must have. It's just nice 62 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: to have because, like Dirk said, some days those turkeys 63 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: won't answer one versus the other. Pot call is just 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: like the box called, very easy to use. Um, you know, 65 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: and I would say it's not an absolute must have, 66 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: but it makes the whole thing a lot more enjoyable. 67 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: Some sort of seating pad or a seat. Um. You know, 68 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily need decoys. They're nice to have, but 69 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: as far as the must have, you know, some way 70 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: to locate the bird, um, and then some way to 71 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: call it in and then somebody to kill it, so 72 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, your your bower, shotgun, a couple of calls, 73 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: whether it's a diaphragm, a pot call, and then um, 74 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, most importantly you need some birds on the 75 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: property you're hunting and have them you know, fairly well 76 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: scouted out. Man. I couldn't agree more like on that 77 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: seating the seating pad. You know, I've been the tough 78 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: guy all these years, and you know, you sit out 79 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: on the ground and it's cold and it's wet and 80 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: or sometime uncomfortable. And last year when we were hunting 81 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: with our good buddy Randy Milligan in Missouri, not Missouri, 82 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: in Kansas. Uh. He had these little seats, He's super 83 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: low profile, uh seats for hunting, for turkey hunting. And 84 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: to me that was a game changer. I man, it 85 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: was so comfortable. You could sit there motionless comfortably for ever, 86 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: Whereas the other option is sit on the ground and man, 87 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: your butt gets cold or tired, your legs go numb 88 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: or whatever. So yeah, I mean I noticed, Dirk, you 89 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: you didn't fall asleep at all on that first night 90 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: when we didn't have the season. Once we had those seats, 91 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: you were like three for six on knaps. So it 92 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: was that the comfort level definitely rose. Um when we 93 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: now it is it's just a more time. You know, 94 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: I don't have very much patience, but the more patient 95 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: you can be in gear like seats or a good seat, 96 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: UM can definitely add to you know, the the fun 97 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: and and the comfort of it, but also the success 98 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: if if you have the ability to sit in an area, 99 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: you know, as long as you need to without getting 100 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: ants here, like Dirk said, your legs fall asleep, Um, 101 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: is gonna lead to a lot more turkeys being killed. Um. 102 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: The second question we have will jump into this before 103 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: we jump into our discussion. My question for Dirk is 104 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: what do your go to turkey locator tactics, which will 105 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: play right into how we locate elk and the way 106 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: we like to do it. But as far as locating 107 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: turkeys and I there it's probably a two part question, Dirk. 108 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: I would say, how do we locate turkeys while we're hunting? 109 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: And then how do we try to light locate turkeys, 110 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, either for the roost or using you know, 111 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: non turkey sounds to locate turkeys. So for for years 112 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: and until actually last year when we came out with 113 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: that new crow call um the mediator x Phelps crow call, 114 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: then UM, I just used my voice. I would either 115 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: use al hoots or um or crow calls, so I 116 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: would are more of a more North Idaho. We don't 117 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: have crows really, we have ravens, right, so UM, I 118 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: would just use my voice. You always kind of feel 119 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: weird doing it too, you know. Um you start going, 120 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: like especially if you're with somebody who's a new turkey 121 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: hunter and they don't know anything about it, my wife 122 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: or kids, and and you get out of the truck 123 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,559 Speaker 1: or you hike around and you're going, I mean, it gets, 124 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: it gets kind of weird if like, whoa there, take 125 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: it back? Yeah, why are you scaring these things away? Yeah? 126 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: And in fact, um elk cutting before in the fall. 127 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: I've had turkeys answered my bugle in the fall. You know, 128 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: they're they don't typically bugle or gobble a lot in 129 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: the fall, but um, I've had him answer me from 130 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: the roost tree in the fall. Yeah. I don't like 131 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: to use kyo house and stuff when the turkeys are 132 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: on the ground or when I have to hunt them, 133 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: so like in the morning and stuff. But that's kind 134 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: of our go to locator at night, once they're up 135 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: in a tree, if you give a good yep, um 136 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: and get those turkeys so we can locate him in 137 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: the rus for the next morning. But once they're you know, 138 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: let's say it's it's early morning and we actually have 139 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: to hunt the birds. I don't want to put any 140 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: extra pressure concern on them that there's a coyote on 141 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: the ground in my direction. So we use a lot 142 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: of crow calls similar to you. I cut my hands 143 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: and do kind of a who you know, an al 144 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: hooter sound that we use, um you affiliated woodpecker. And 145 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: then a lot of times once we get going on 146 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: the hunt. We're just using our turkey calls. You know. 147 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: It seems like a hen yell or a little bit 148 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: of cutting seems to get them going, maybe more so 149 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: than than the straight locator. But we kind of just 150 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: play to what they're responding to. If we're getting them 151 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: to answer O crow call, will stick with it. If 152 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: they're answering you know, hand calls, then then we'll stick 153 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: with them. But yeah, we reserve that kyote hal for 154 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: roost him at night, which seems to be you know, 155 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: our our best tactic as far as nighttime locating. So yeah, 156 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: that's that's how we go about locating turkeys. Why we're 157 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: hunting while we're putting them to bed and roosting them. 158 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: Now we're going to roll into to our discussion and 159 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: we appreciate all you guys as questions and keep them 160 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 1: rolling in, but um, we're gonna dive in fairly deep 161 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: or as deep as we can. We're gonna kind of 162 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: keep it light. Um. You know, there's just been this 163 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: big you know front that that turkey hunting isn't cool, 164 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: don't compare it to elk hunting. You know, like all 165 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: these little rules from these Western guys on on how 166 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: it's not cool to maybe turkey hunting, And so we're 167 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: gonna go through compare and contrast, he seeing, and then 168 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: the end kind of like what's our verdict? Is it 169 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: very similar? Are these guys just you know, trying to 170 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: maintain status by not turkey hunting? And why? I think 171 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: ultimately we're gonna be able to say why you should 172 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: be turkey hunting every spring if you like to call 173 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: animals in Yeah, I think there's some weird bravado or something. 174 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Us Westy's, as the East Eastern folk call us as Westy's, 175 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: have a lot of us, you know, are like turkeys, 176 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: they're stupid or whatever. They're dumb. It's a dumb bird 177 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: or whatever. But um, it's nothing like elk hunting. But 178 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: there there are some definitely some crossovers and similarities. And yeah, 179 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: I think you know a lot of us out west 180 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: we're just not that good at it compared to the 181 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: folks that just live and breathe it so and it 182 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: can't be frustrating. So I think there could be some 183 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: of that too. It's some animosity towards turkeys from US 184 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: guys out in the West. Yeah, I've said it before, 185 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, everybody likes the label turkeys as a dumb bird. 186 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: You know, I could drive down the road and shoot 187 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: him on my window, and which is true until you 188 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: have a shotgun in your hand and like step outside 189 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: your door, and then they become maybe the smartest bird 190 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: you know on the ground. And so it's it's why 191 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: they seem very um, you know, not very intelligent. Uh 192 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: quick glance like when you try to hunt them, and 193 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: and as long as you say that, you you know, 194 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: you're not gonna shoot him off the road, You're not 195 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: gonna shoot him as you drive by. You're not going 196 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: to shoot him out of a tree. And and go 197 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: and hunt them. Um, they become you know, fairly fairly challenging. Yeah. Yeah, 198 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: And I'm not so sure if they're super intelligent. I 199 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: don't believe that. But they are like the next level tricky, 200 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: like they want to they have a will to survive, 201 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: and they're a master of avoiding danger. Um with his 202 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: eyes and they're just they're just really good at avoiding danger. Yeah, 203 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: and just just they're like daily timeline of you know, 204 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: they'm all flying out of a tree, the tom staying 205 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: with the hen Why we want to be out there 206 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: and call him in and then just the the I 207 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: guess their daily routine makes them very you know, sometimes 208 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: difficult to kill because he's not gonna leave the hens 209 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: that he's with until they go to nest. And by 210 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: that time we're ready for a salunch and we're heading 211 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: in for lunch. So there's just things that are in 212 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: place that just you know, turkeys are just doing what 213 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: turkeys do, but it seems to make them tough to 214 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: to hunt at times, or to or to get that 215 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: tom to break off. Yep, I agree, yep. So let's 216 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: compare how we like to locatel compared to how we 217 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: typically locate turkeys and kind of walk through that process. So, 218 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, we've always said, you know, elk hunting, you 219 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: can either locate with a location bogle or you can 220 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: locate using your binoculars. The same can be said for turkeys. 221 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: You can locate them by glassing them up. But a 222 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: lot of times I would say, you look, we locate 223 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: more turkeys by being audible. They're a little tougher to spot. 224 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: You're not gonna sit across the canyon necessarily you can 225 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: and look for them. You're mainly going to hear them 226 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: talking to you or you're gonna spot them it like 227 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: the back of an agg field or something. The one 228 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: major difference which we can jump into is turkeys can 229 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: be located with shot gobbles. We can use other sounds, 230 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's crows, peacock, some of their natural 231 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: predators out there, some of the animals or birds they 232 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: don't like. Um, you know, doors, slamming, elk, bagles during 233 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: the spring, you know, almost any loud sound we can 234 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: use to locate them, which does give us a little 235 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: bit of an advantage on locating turkeys because you know, 236 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: when you locate with an elk call, you've now announced 237 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: yourself as a cow or a ble and and their 238 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: attention is now drawn to you versus if you're using 239 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: the turkey call, you can locate them what they call, 240 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: or you can use a shot gobble, which now they're 241 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: not necessarily as concerned or paying as much attention to 242 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: the direction that your crow call came from, because not 243 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, as focus. So let's walk through, Dirk, like 244 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: you know a little more in depth how we locate 245 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: elk and then how we go about locating turkeys as 246 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: far as like take us through a day. You didn't 247 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: have an elk body. We're just gonna go run ridges 248 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: versus you don't have you know, turkeys. Root said, how 249 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: are you going to go locate? And how those you 250 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: know compared differ? Well, I think folks who are big 251 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: turkey hunters they call it running, gun running and gunning. Right, 252 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: So you're basically covering a lot of ground quickly and 253 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: you're just you're just trying to pick up a bird 254 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: with your locate locator calls. Um. You may stay in 255 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: one spot and call for just a little bit, you know, 256 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: whether it's a minute or two, and if you don't 257 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: get a response, you move on to the next spot. 258 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: And you're just trying to cover as much ground as 259 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: you can to find turkeys. And we do the same 260 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: thing with elk cunning. Um it's uncanny, really, um covering 261 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: a ridge system, calling into every little nook and cran 262 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: of a draw or or up onto a ridge. Um. 263 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: It goes to the same thing with turkeys. You know. Um, 264 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: if if you have a terrain feature in between you 265 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: and the turkeys, sometimes you have to get to the 266 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: top of that that train feature. Let's say it's a ridge, 267 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: maybe you're gonna have to climb to the top of 268 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: that ridge. Even even the most subtle of ridges um 269 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: on the back side could be a little hollow or 270 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: something or a draw where a turkey's at and you 271 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: couldn't hear him, and maybe he couldn't even hear you. 272 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: But you have to kind of eliminate ground by just 273 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: covering as much country as you can, pitching your calls 274 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: out there and kind of looking for those responses. Yep. 275 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: And it's it's very similar for me as well, Like 276 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: aside from Glassingham. If if we're you know, turkey hunting 277 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: in eastern Washington, which is similar to some of the country, 278 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: we all cut um, we're gonna jump up, get on 279 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: a ridge. That way we can you know, utilize both 280 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: sides of the ridge covered twice as much ground versus 281 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: being down in the bottom or you know, half hill 282 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: on one side. And then we're just gonna throw locations 283 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: off of both sides, whether it's you know, loud yelps, 284 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: whether it's crow calls, and you know, whether it's a 285 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: location bugle for elk. We're just we're literally sound checking 286 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: every little pocket, every little area walking down that ridge, 287 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: and we're just looking for a response so we can 288 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: get that game started as we walked down that ridge, 289 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: um and run, you know, versus if we're where we 290 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: were in Kansas last year, when we're you know, in 291 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: a more flat area. You know, you're looking more of 292 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: that fringe, are you know, you're you're on the edge. 293 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: You may be calling down into those bottoms, Um, you're 294 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: calling into to terrain differences, but you're not necessarily running 295 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: ridges like that. So I'm real similar as far as 296 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: how we locate them, how you want to get up 297 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: Let the sound travel a little bit farther, and um, 298 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: it seems to be you know, you know, I was 299 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: just thinking about how I relocate turkeys, uh and elk. 300 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: You know sometimes Um, maybe it's the first day you're 301 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: there into a new area and you've just never been 302 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: in that place. Um, you know, I'm driving all the 303 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: roads and checking out the lay of the land. I'm 304 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: checking out where all the other hunters are hunting. And uh, 305 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: I don't typically want to hunt elk or turkeys by 306 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: everyone else, So I'm getting the lay of the lamb, 307 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: seeing where everybody is is at. But you can also 308 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: spot a lot of turkeys out of the truck, you know, 309 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: especially when you know they're they're chasing, chasing hands from 310 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: like the feeding area to their betting area, or from 311 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: their betting area to their feeding area. UM, you can 312 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: catch them crossing roads, you can see the mountain clear cuts, 313 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: you can see them in the the fringe of maybe 314 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: big meadows. UM. Just covering country if you just have nowhere, 315 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: no idea where even where to start. You know, getting 316 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: getting some glass, doing a little glass in here and there, 317 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: but just covering a lot of ground with your eyes 318 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: and then diving in from there and doing the running 319 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: gun technique is just great. Yep, yep, I agree with that. 320 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: You know, learn, learn the land, learn where you would 321 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: want to be. You know, if you were a turkey, 322 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, if you use your past turkey hunting experience 323 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: to kind of figure out the area and then, like 324 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: you said, get away from people and focus on that. 325 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: So let's let's assume we've located some turkeys, UM, similar 326 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: to let's assume we've located some milk. We have a 327 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: pretty good system dialed in for elk. You know, we 328 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: we checked the wind, which we don't have to do 329 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: for turkeys. We we move in close, use it. Yeah. Yeah, 330 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: they would be really tough to kill of um, you know, 331 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: but we we get the wind right, we we figure 332 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: out kind of the terrain and the vegetation we're dealing with, 333 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: We get close and then we you know, for us, 334 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: we typically vehicle, but we might start with like a 335 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: lower progression and work up what does your system or 336 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: your turkey hunting script look like as far as all right, 337 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: we've located them, now, what are we gonna do? And 338 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: I would say after hunting, you know, with you getting 339 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: turkey out with you, we've got a fairly you know, 340 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: scripted system the same way like we're we're going to 341 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: move in the same way Chris Parrish and you know, 342 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: Randy and all the guys we've taken in with you're 343 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: literally locating birds. The only difference is we don't have 344 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: to check the wind now. Um, But how do you 345 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: feel like that part of your turkey hunting like strategy 346 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: compares to your elk hunting in where they made it 347 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: for it's very very similar. Um. Once I have them located, 348 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: I want to get close. I want to get close 349 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: as I can without getting picked off by their eye sight. 350 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: But with turkeys, I feel like I can't get quite 351 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: as close. Sometimes even in like thicker cover um as 352 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: I can with Elk, or if I do, I have 353 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: to get super sneaky and just like really not get 354 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: picked off Elk. I think you can get a little even. 355 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: You know ELK a lot times. You know they're living 356 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: and dying by their nose, but they rely on their 357 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: their their first defense is their eye sight, and um, 358 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta get pretty close to them. And 359 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: sometimes I think a person can get away with a 360 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: little bit more with Elk than you can with turkey. 361 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: Turkeys just cannot. They're just so tough and they're so small. 362 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: And then they have this little periscope head I call it. 363 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: Their little head peeks up over a little little terrain features, 364 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: over logs. Maybe they're standing in a dip and they 365 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: peek over the dip and it's really hard to see 366 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: that little periscope pad looking at you sometimes and they 367 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: pick you off so easy. So I try not to 368 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: get as aggressive or get as close as I do 369 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: with ELK before I start calling on my setup. Yeah, 370 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm the same way. And what seems to happen 371 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: is every time I've tried to get super aggressive moving 372 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: on the bird, they're harder to spot. You know, it's 373 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: a twenty pound turkey versus an eight hundred pound yellow 374 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: elk um. So a lot of times I get caught 375 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: like not seeing them first. Where elk, I feel like 376 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: I've got a pretty good chance of spotting them first 377 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: because I'm looking for him and they're not necessarily looking 378 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: for a person walking through the woods. So that was 379 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: number one, Like a lot of times I bust turkeys 380 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: a lot more than I do elk. And number two 381 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: is even if you are moving super slow, um, you know, 382 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm probably guilty of not glassing enough when I approach elk, 383 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: but with turkeys, I gotta really slow down use you know, 384 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: your binoculars. I carry tens with me everywhere, but you know, 385 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: back east eights might make more sense, but you know, 386 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: really just glass everywhere you're walking to be a little 387 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: more patient. And it seems like is we're approaching a 388 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: lot of times turkeys, maybe even more so than elk, 389 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: they just kind of shut up for no other reason 390 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: than they just don't want to gobble for a second. 391 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: And even though they're right there at a hundred hundred 392 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: fifty yards, they just haven't gobbled in a while. And 393 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: you get you know, I get impatient, I end up 394 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: walking closer to where I thought the turkey wasn't, end 395 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: up busting them somewhere either those turkeys were on their 396 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: way or they did just clam up and be quiet. 397 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: They didn't want to gobble um. And then ye have 398 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: the beauty of turkey hunting. This is the you know, 399 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: I guess you replace it. They can't smell versus elk 400 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: can smell, but their eyesights so much better. So it 401 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: is the thing I actually liked better about turkey hunting, 402 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: and it isn't so much of a challenge. Is I 403 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: can approach the exact you know, you know, as the 404 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: crow flies. I can just go that direction out of 405 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: turkey versus, hey, guess what, I gotta climb up around 406 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: this bridge, I gotta drop over the other side dropped down, 407 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: you know. An elk hunting, a lot of times we're 408 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: trying to do these big, big gas loops to get 409 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: around them or keep the wind somewhat consistent. Um. You know, 410 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: one of the most frustrating things. I think anybody that's 411 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: you know, archery, elk hunted, or had to be close 412 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: elk hunting. I think it's unanimous that the wind screws 413 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: up that more than anything else. So I think you 414 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: know their eyesight, you can trick it. Um. But it 415 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: is nice hunting turkeys like, hey, we don't have to, 416 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: you know, get a wind checker out and mess with that. 417 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: You can just go at him. Yeah, exactly. And another 418 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: thing that's very similar though to elk too, um is 419 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: when I try to set up for elk, I want 420 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: to set up in an area to make it easy 421 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: for a bowl that come to me, right, same with turkeys, Um, 422 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: don't set up on turkeys where gosh, there's a nasty 423 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: big brush pile between you and the turkey. Sometimes you 424 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: know he's not gonna want to strut through the middle 425 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: of that brush pile. Maybe he won't want to cross 426 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: the creek, maybe it won't be offense. Maybe he don't 427 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: want to cross across a fence. It's the same with elk. 428 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: You know you want to set up tour it's just 429 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: like super easy for them to come to you. Um, 430 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: you want to make it as is desirable for them 431 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: to come over and fight or breed as you can. Yep, yep. 432 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: So all right, we we've we've got we've we've got 433 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: our approach we figured out how we're gonna get close, 434 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, Dirk saying we're not gonna get as close 435 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: because we can't be as aggressive. Let's say you finally 436 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: got your your good setup. This is a spot it's 437 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: gonna happen. What what call are you going through? First? 438 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: And then kind of what's going through your head on 439 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: an elk? You know, we play the temperament versus what's 440 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 1: going through your head on on a turkey? And then 441 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: I'll follow up with kind of how I think about 442 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: that as well, because we I think this is where 443 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: it made the fur kind of a little bit from 444 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: our elk cutting strategy to turkeys well as with elk. 445 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: I'm usually experimenting with that elk to see what call 446 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: he reacts to the best. Um some folks will say, 447 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: oh man, there's a here's here's your go to silver 448 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: bullet elk call, Like if you do this elk call, 449 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: they're gonna come running. But gosh, I just haven't found that. Um. 450 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: I just kind of called it this the disposition of 451 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: the bowl and whatever he reply too and the one 452 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: and you can tell when he really likes something, it 453 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: really doesn't like something. You know, maybe he gets you 454 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: can hear the change their tone in his voice. Um, 455 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: so that makes it easy to kind of know what 456 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: what he really likes. Now, turkeys, I don't know that, 457 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: you know what, I haven't hunted him enough to tell 458 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: the difference between when he's getting mad versus a regular gobble, 459 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: and maybe there's no difference. I'm not sure. But but 460 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 1: for turkeys, I'm I'm gonna give him the same, you know, 461 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him some calls and whatever he reacts to, okay, 462 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: he likes those, that will probably kind of what be 463 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: what I stick with. But um, as I've learned, you know, 464 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: just to call just to make him gobble a lot, 465 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: that's maybe not what I should do. You know, it's 466 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: fun to say, oh man, here he oh he gobbled again, 467 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: Keep calling, keep calling. But sometimes, you know, once you 468 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: kind of get him on the hook, less is more. 469 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: I think, UM, let him start having to come seek 470 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: you out, find you out, and maybe even just shut 471 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: up for a while and let him get kind of worried, like, hey, 472 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: did those hands leave? Um so that's kind of my 473 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: mode of operation. Yeah, very similar. Uh, you know, we 474 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: The one major difference I would say is, as you know, 475 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: I'm speaking for you and me like our approach to 476 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: el because a lot of times, I would say eighty 477 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: to ninety percent of the time we're throwing in um, 478 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, bowl sounds. So it's it's you know, whether 479 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: we want to call it bold bowl communication Versus on 480 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: a turkey calling side, I would say it's the complete opposite, 481 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: maybe five to ten percent of the time, or we're 482 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: gonna actually gobble at a tom that we're trying to 483 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: call in. So with that said, UM, in the out 484 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: calling world, we will throw in more you know, cow sounds, 485 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: calf sounds. But then I would say our calling system 486 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: plays on the temperament of the of the bull we're 487 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: trying to call in it, and we try to get 488 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: him fired up, you know, through biggling most of the time. Um, 489 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: we'll both agree that we would call an Elkin with 490 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: cal calls any day of the week. It's not as fun, 491 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: but um, we're not we're not above that. Versus on 492 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: the turkey calling side, we're also playing to their temperament, 493 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: but we're using hand sounds um the majority of the 494 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: time and gobbling a lot less um. So you are, 495 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: you know, kind of changing your tactic on bowld to 496 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: bowl versus hand to hand to gobbler or hand to 497 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: tom type speak. And you know a lot of times, 498 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: like you said, be quiet, we use a lot of 499 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: the same tactics. If that turkey is gobbling kind of halfheartedly, 500 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: you know, we set out a seven yelps and that 501 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: turkey gobbles, maybe ten seconds later, it's like, well, it 502 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: wasn't really gobbling at me, but maybe we got him, 503 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: you know, with his head up and he's seen another 504 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: hand and he gobbled versus you know, the same thing 505 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: with an elk. If if we bigle and he doesn't 506 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: hit us right back, we're like, oh, he's not fired 507 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: up at all. He's he's just kind of he's semi interested. 508 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: And then similar to that, I think we're always trying 509 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: to turn you know what we call turn the temperature 510 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: up on the elk. It's like, if we can slowly 511 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: work him into being a piste off bowler, if we 512 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: can slowly work him into caring more about our calls. 513 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: I think we do that with a turkey a lot 514 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: as well, Like oh, he's he's slowly you know, gobbling, 515 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: and then you're like, well he gobbled, then maybe it 516 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: cut fairly quickly after, like you're trying to get him 517 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: interested in what you've got going on. But the same thing. 518 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: If if a bull seems you know, half interested, maybe 519 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: we shut up. If a turkey seems half interested, maybe 520 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: we shut up and just see if he comes, you know, 521 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: over our direction. So as far as calling strategies, I 522 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of similarities. The main difference is, 523 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: you know, we're the bull trying to fight with a 524 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: bull for the chance that his cows. Versus on the 525 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: turkey side, where a hand just kind of you know, 526 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: calling him away from his hands or to come over 527 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: and check you out, which um, And both instances go 528 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: against kind of the way nature works. You know, a 529 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: turkey gobbles so that a him will come find him. 530 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: We're trying to reverse that and elk bigles so a 531 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: cow will go find him. We're biggling so that he 532 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: will come fight us so we can take his cows. 533 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of how I look at what 534 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: we're trying to do with our calls there. That's that's 535 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: a really great point, Jason, Um. I could probably count 536 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 1: on one hand how many times I've like gobbled at 537 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: a turkey to try to call it in in the 538 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: last years, you know, it's just not common. You just 539 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: don't do it. And then you know, trying to get 540 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: a call that replicates a good gobble it is hard 541 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: to Yeah, there's there's lots of reasons, you know why 542 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: it seems like gobbling has always just kind of been 543 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: a last resort. Now let's go into more of the 544 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: you know, how do we find them? Um, you know 545 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier like you know it's easy. I I 546 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: like turkey hunting, and I'm not necessarily saying it's easier 547 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: than elk hunting. But if we've did our job the 548 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: night before, like a lot of times, I know I'm 549 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: going to start within a hundred twenty yards of a 550 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: roost tree. So every morning I go out turkey hunting light, 551 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: I know there's gonna be action. Now, I would say, 552 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: you know, seventy five percent at the time, I know 553 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: when I go out, oh hunting, I'm at least gonna 554 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: be somewhere in the elk from either the day prior 555 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: or we've just got ourselves into a spot. Um, that's 556 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: gonna be good. But let's go into how we find 557 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, turkeys and make sure we're in the action 558 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: versus how we go about, you know, finding elk, whether 559 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: it's you know, getting up on the highest point, glassing 560 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: the most amount of country, you know, checking their feet areas, 561 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: just knowing where elk want to be versus all right, 562 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: let's say we've got him in the roost trees then, 563 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: and this depends a little bit whether we're hunting Miriam's 564 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: in eastern Washington, where they we're hunting Eastern's you know, 565 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: back in the Midwest. Like, there are different ways and 566 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: different strategies on where we're gonna go find um, you 567 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: know those turkeys, but go through kind of and we 568 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: have a little bit like the differences on you know, 569 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: finding elk. So we think of things like, you know, 570 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: open parks in the high country. You know where I 571 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: live here in southwest Washington, clear cuts is where they're 572 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: going to find their food. And then we go into 573 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: like what I would almost consider like our subcategory. It 574 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: would be like wallows, um, you know, some of these 575 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: other places that we we focus on, you know, uh, 576 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: passes through a ridge versus are there any similarities with turkeys, 577 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, like dusting zones some of some of those things. 578 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: If you can go into that. Like as an elk hunter, 579 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: we've got five or six types of areas that we 580 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: love to go look for elk versus on the turkey side, 581 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: you know, aside from the roost tree, like how are 582 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: we going to go find these turkeys? And and and 583 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: compared to the finding elk, some of the places I 584 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: love to find turkeys, um. A lot of times in 585 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: that in that afternoon for some reason, they I call 586 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: them strutting grounds. Um. And these places a lot of 587 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: times are like a fringe area. You know, they maybe 588 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: and maybe it's a knoll, it's just a little higher 589 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: spot um where they can see and can be seen. Um. 590 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: Let's say these toms don't even have hints, but they 591 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: like to go out and just kind of strut us. 592 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: It's usually like two or three tom's, you know, it's 593 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: like three buddies out there flexing in front of a mirror. 594 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: I don't trying to impress some some ladies get some attention, 595 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: but it's usually at the fringe with amber or maybe 596 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: you're in a it's in a clare cut, but it's 597 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: at the edge, you know. And and a lot of 598 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: times it's maybe or a small a small meadow or something, 599 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a small meadow that's not you know, 600 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: you're not looking at a meadow that's a few hundred acres. 601 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a meadow that's a five ten acres um 602 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: where they feel like they can they can expose themselves 603 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: without being too exposed, if you if you see what 604 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: I mean. So I really love like trying to find 605 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: those places. And sometimes you know, that's like I was 606 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: talking before, when I'm trying to cover country and I 607 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: haven't even found any turkeys, those are the kind of 608 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: places I would look now. Comparing contrast, you know, you 609 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: tend to find elk in the same kind of places 610 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: like they like fringes. You know, you're typically at you know, 611 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: in the evenings or in the mornings. You don't find 612 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: them right smack dab in the middle of a thousand 613 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: acre claire cut or a giant open hillside. A lot 614 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: of times at dawn and dusk, they're gonna be in 615 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: the edge, you know, getting ready to come out and feed. 616 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: We're as turkeys, they're on the fringe, they're getting ready 617 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: to go to bed. You know, they're trying to gather up. 618 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: In the evening, they're gonna try to you know, hey, 619 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: ladies were over here, are roost trees here, and then 620 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: finally they'll they'll go to roost um. But those fringe 621 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: type areas are great places to set up um in 622 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: the past. You know, I've I've chased turkeys where I 623 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: have a heck of a time in the morning getting 624 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: them to come to me off the roost. You know, 625 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: all they care about is chasing those those hens around 626 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: and leave me in the dust. But a lot of 627 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: times a great tactic I like to do is if 628 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: I know they kind of like the strut their their 629 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: little strutting grounds, I'll go set up near those places, 630 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: whether it's in the afternoon, maybe it's in the evening. 631 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: I want to get on their pathway to where they 632 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: roost and then call them in on the on their 633 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: path to the roost, because they're gonna come that direction anyway. 634 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: And oh, hey, there's a hand right over here. I'm 635 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: gonna just detour just slightly and get over at her 636 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: and check her out before we go to bed. Yeah, yeah, 637 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: and you know we're we're we're checking you know, wallows. 638 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: Compared to dusting areas or streading areas where they're checking 639 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, passes in the ridge for for elk movement. Um, 640 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: we do a lot of There are a lot of similarities, 641 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: maybe not the same areas where we're going to see 642 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: if like a turkey's went through a pass you know, 643 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: on a on a ridgeline, but um, you know, changes 644 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: in terrain have have been you know, a spot I 645 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: always go and look if it's a big steep hillside 646 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: and there's a bench through it. Um, for some reason, 647 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: turkeys just like love to sit at that kind of 648 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: grade break or that difference in terrain. You know, the 649 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: thing could be covered with the same vegetation all the 650 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: way up, but if you put a little bench out there, 651 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: it's just you know, turkeys don't necessarily need to be there, 652 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: but it seems like they hang out there. In My 653 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: ultimate favorite way to find turkeys in the middle of 654 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: the day or you know, at a time where I'm 655 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: not on anything. So rather than cold calling, it's just 656 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: old two tracked roads kind of through the forest. Um. 657 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: For whatever reasons, whether turkey like to be seen, you know, 658 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: whether it's Tom's like and display and be seen. Um, 659 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: we've we've did, you know, I would say over of 660 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: our birds, Um, in eastern Washington. They're even here in 661 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: western Washington, have been killed off of old two tracks, 662 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, through the woods, like an old skitter road. UM, 663 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: an old two track that you know might just have 664 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: a couple of ruts in it and it's grass the 665 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: rest of the way. Like those birds like to use 666 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: the path of lease resistance as they move through. You know, 667 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: they don't like to get wet, so they're just walking 668 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: down a two track. Um. You know, they're kind of bugging, 669 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: they're kind of feeding as they go along that and 670 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, walking those roads is more 671 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: productive than than doing anything else. Um, you know in 672 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: the middle of the day. Yeah, I agree with that 673 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: a lot. Um. I find a lot of turkey signed 674 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: turkey UM scat tracks and then just you find a 675 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: lot of turkeys in those old two tracks, especially um 676 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: in a lot of places in North Idaho, especially if 677 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: it's if there the forest is pretty overgrown, and then 678 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: then the road has been there a long time. You'll 679 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: find like little little patches of clover. Um. You know 680 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: that that's been planted by you know, whatever logging company 681 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: or whoever whatever they plan in there, or maybe the 682 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: deer planet. It just by you know, passing through seeds 683 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: through their bowels or whatever. But uh, turkeys love that stuff. 684 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: And then like you said, they're bugging there's it seems 685 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of bugs on old two track 686 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: roads and you know, maybe maybe it's a muddy road 687 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: and there was a hard rain the night before. Probably 688 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: find a lot of worms in that road, so it's 689 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: in good place for him to feed. And it's they 690 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: can move through easily. And you know what it's it's 691 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: just quick and easy to get places. Yeah, And and 692 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna I'm gonna move this point up a little bit. 693 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about like finding sign and how you 694 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: can use that to be more effective, just like we 695 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: do elk hunting. Um, those two tracks are, in my opinion, 696 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: the best place to look for scat. Look for tracks 697 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: like what kind of turkey numbers are around. You can 698 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: see different ages of tracks, so it's like, oh, they 699 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: were obviously here a day or two goo versus oh 700 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: they were also here two or three weeks ago, m versus. 701 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: The way we go and look for elks and you 702 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: know we're looking for rubs, trying to age those based 703 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: on you know, bark so One of the main differences is, 704 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: you know, I guess it would be kind of in 705 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: place scouting. You know, a lot of people look at scouting. 706 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: Is is what you know for l hunting, what we've 707 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: seen in July and August leading up to the hunt. 708 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: You know the same thing with Turkey. We scout a 709 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: lot in March, we got in locate, just listen, um. 710 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: But during the hunt, let's say you didn't have a 711 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: chance to go scout the area. By walking these two tracks, 712 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: I feel you get a lot more information. Then let's say, 713 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: you know Derek's example earlier of a thousand acre field, 714 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: go out in a thousand acre field and try to 715 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: figure out if there's tricky tracks or if they're scout. 716 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: It becomes very very difficult. Versus walking down that two 717 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: track that's either at the edge or the fringe of 718 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: agg or you know, goes through a bench um you 719 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: know on on forest service or what whatever it may be. 720 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: Is I seem to gather a lot more information um, 721 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: off of that two track. You know, we're finding dusting areas, 722 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: everything we need to know about. Is this a good 723 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: place to hunt for the next week or you know, 724 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: at least the next morning can be found from that 725 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: two track. Yeah, and a lot of times if it's 726 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, typically springtime is not a dry time, but 727 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: some some years can be kind of dry in the spring. Um, 728 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: if there's not a lot of ponds or creeks around, Um, 729 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: there will be some puddles in some of these two tracks, 730 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: and that's a great place to find turkey tracks. And 731 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: a lot of times you'll see a lot of scat 732 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: around those those puddles, So then you can determine you 733 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: can tell an old turkey track or a really smoking 734 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: hot fresh one in a little bit of mud there. 735 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: So you're like, oh wow, they they're in here. And 736 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: a lot of times you'll even pick up you'll see 737 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: a feather or two in that area. So um, yeah, man, 738 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: there's those two tracks that that's a that's a great 739 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: place to to to find them. Yeah. Yeah, I remember 740 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: a little bit about my past, like watching the Truth 741 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: series from Primos. You know, you'd watch them like walk 742 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: the two track through the old hardwood bottom and it's 743 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: like it just seems like turkeys and two tracks are 744 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 1: just meant to be. It seems like a great place 745 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, they were, and we've hunted off of them forever. Um. 746 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: And then one thing, the reason I like just hit 747 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: the two track is it lets me cut the country 748 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: up really quick. Um, out here in eastern Washington, where 749 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: I kind of grew up, cut my teeth. Turkey hunting 750 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: is what we see in March. You know, where a 751 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: landowner may say, you know, all the turkeys are in 752 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: the backfield, whatever that may be. These is these flocks 753 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: start to break up and separate. They merriams for instance, 754 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: they move a lot greater distance. And so what might 755 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: have been loaded with turkeys, you know, mid March, end 756 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: of March, by time you get to you know, April 757 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: and April, they've dispersed. And so going to what you've 758 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: seen in March might not yield the best results. But 759 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 1: by going and running these two tracks, covering a ton 760 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: of ground, even if you can drive them yourself, UM, 761 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: just look for sign it gives you. It just cuts 762 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: that learning curve down really quick when you're there to 763 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: hunt and make sure that your own birds. Yep, that's great. 764 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: I talked with Chris Parrish a little bit last week 765 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,720 Speaker 1: about what he looks for in a set up. Um, 766 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: but Dirk, tell me what you look forward and and 767 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: an elk calling set up like, this is the place 768 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. You know you had mentioned earlier. You 769 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: know you're looking for for the elk have an easy 770 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: way to come in. We're not trying to, you know, 771 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: put any any roadblocks or hurdles in their way. What 772 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: are you looking for when you go to set up 773 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: on turkeys? Um? You know this is where you want 774 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: to call to him. You're a hundred yards away. He 775 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: seems to become in your direction. Like, what's the ideal 776 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: set up um on turkeys versus elk for you? And 777 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: then I believe these share day near in my opinion, 778 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: every similarity. But I'll see if you can find any 779 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: differences when you're setting up. Yeah, I'm with you. I 780 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: I know where your head's at right now on this um. 781 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: You have to kind of picture where the elk is 782 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 1: going to first appear and be able to see you, 783 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: wherever he could first appear out of the woods. I 784 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: want to be very very close to that spot. And 785 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: I have to say the same thing about turkeys, you know, 786 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: I want to be close to where the first place 787 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: he could see me. Uh, turkeys. Now, I don't know 788 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: if I want to be super close to that spot. 789 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: But I want to be fairly close with a shotgun range, 790 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: which is it's pretty close, um for the most part, 791 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,479 Speaker 1: you know. Um, But and that's similar to archery range 792 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: for elk. You know, you want to be pretty close. 793 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: But man, I don't know if I can pick a 794 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: difference there. I want to just be super close. Now, 795 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: I will say, I will kind of maybe even bell 796 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: be a little bit more concealed, um as a turkey 797 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: hunter than I would be an elk hunter, you know, 798 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: Like I would crawl in behind a bush with just 799 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: enough room for my shotgun to stick out if I'm 800 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: not trying to shoot one with a bow. Um. But 801 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: for Elk, I want to get in front of you know, 802 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: said bush or in front of a tree and try 803 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: to let my camel work more than more than the surroundings. 804 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: Because turkeys are just so darn sharp eyed. Um what 805 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: do you think? Yeah, I mean, it's it's real similar, 806 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: you know. And Elk, I would say, the tree isn't 807 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,479 Speaker 1: is an important of a part of my setup versus 808 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: like turkey, I always try to get my back against 809 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: a tree that way, breaking up the majority of my 810 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: outline versus elk Ideally I'd like to have a tree 811 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: behind me to break up my outline. But I'm I'm 812 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: letting my camera work maybe a little bit more on 813 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: Elk and risking my setup because I do have to 814 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: draw my bow. I do need to be able to 815 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: get away with a little more movement where you know turkeys, 816 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: Once I get my back set up, I've really just 817 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: got to swing my gun. Um. But other than that, 818 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to set up behind a pile of 819 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: brush for either. Um. You know, you've got an arrow 820 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: hanging out at the end of your bow. You don't 821 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: want to have to turn and get you know, thirty 822 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: inches arrow tangled up and brush. You don't want to 823 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: arrow to fall off your rest. Same thing with turkeys, 824 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 1: Like if you have to swing your gun, you do 825 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: not want to catch even the smallest little twig and 826 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: make it move as you're moving your gun. So always 827 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 1: in front of the brush. Let it break up your 828 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: your background. Um, let your camera work, and then I 829 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: guess the other difference is in turkeys, I feel a 830 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: little bit um you know, hamstrung because my butts on 831 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: the ground versus Elk, I can make more adjustments as 832 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: he's coming in if I hear that he's you know, 833 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: coming to my right, I can just turn my feet. 834 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: I got more freedom versus I'm probably not when a 835 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: turkey is coming in gonna like stand up and move 836 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,280 Speaker 1: my chair a different direction. So I feel like with turkeys, 837 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: I've got to make a little more of a decision 838 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: when I sit down, like can I ride this position 839 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: out or is it can ultimately cost me? Um is 840 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: the main difference. But yeah, very similar. Brush on your 841 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: background and make sure you can move your weapon, and 842 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: then you know, turkey's eyesight is gonna be a little 843 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,879 Speaker 1: bit better. But the nice thing about turkeys a lot 844 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: of times is we're maybe we're not very smart for 845 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: not using elk decoys. If we're in a spot or 846 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: a situation where decoys makes sense, we can get some 847 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: of the attention off of ourselves and onto that decoy, 848 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: which gives you a little bit more flexibility. But you 849 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,479 Speaker 1: still I mean, if that turkey is sixty seventy yards 850 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: away and you make any slight movement, even with a decoy, 851 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: that hedges whips to your locks on you, and it's 852 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: usually over. So yeah, really really similar. Um, when we're 853 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: setting up, Yeah, I will say Um. One thing, you know, 854 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,919 Speaker 1: depending on what kind of camp you are, which can't 855 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 1: be your in for elk setups. Um. Some guys are 856 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: all about being on their knees on their set up. Um. 857 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: I nine percent of the time, I will will not 858 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 1: take my knees on a elk set up. Um, just 859 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: because I want to. I want to be able to 860 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: swing left or right. I want to be able to 861 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: quickly move my position if I need to. I don't 862 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: want my legs to fall asleep, or if the bull 863 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: comes in at a weird angle I'm stuck facing the 864 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 1: wrong direction. But typically you're not gonna set for turkeys 865 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: on your knees. You're not gonna you're not gonna typically 866 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: stand um unless you've had to, you know, to step 867 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: for a turkey. You're gonna want to sit down comfortably 868 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: so you can be there and then have your you know, 869 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: like you said, be mobile with your with your shotgun, 870 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, be able to swing left or right. Yep, yeah, perfect. 871 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: And then as far as tactics at work, um, we're 872 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: gonna jump. We'll kind of finish up with this cold 873 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 1: calling and why I feel that I don't have great success, 874 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 1: you know, ever sitting down in some random spot where 875 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: I think there might be ELK and starting to like, uh, 876 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: you know, col call maybe bgle look occasionally versus why 877 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: I feel if you're in a decent spot, cold calling 878 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: works so much better for turkeys. Um. With that said, 879 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: I will add the asterisks that we've did a lot 880 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: of our own little like made up rep parties the 881 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,919 Speaker 1: last couple of years during ELK, and they've worked fairly successful. 882 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: But I think we sit down knowing that there was 883 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,959 Speaker 1: a bowl around you know, four or five six yards 884 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: within the last twenty minutes. So I would say those 885 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: are like lukewarm calling setups. But where truly, if we 886 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: don't know anything, it is is around and just sitting down, 887 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: picking a spot and starting to call. Why I think 888 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: that works so well, um, you know on turkeys versus 889 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: why it doesn't work so well on Um. I'll let 890 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,359 Speaker 1: you take a take a crack at why it doesn't 891 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,919 Speaker 1: work so well on ELK and maybe why it works 892 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: so well on turkey, and then I'll add to it 893 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: if if we've we've got some some things to add. Yeah, well, 894 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: I think one reason it's a little bit weird for 895 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: ELK is um we get back to that whole nose thing. 896 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes that calling cold calling set up, you 897 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 1: will get a reaction from an elk, but it won't 898 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 1: be a vocal reaction. It'll be him a reaction by 899 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: him coming and checking you out. And a lot of 900 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: times they'll come in down wind and you may not 901 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: even ever know it unless you hear a twig pop 902 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 1: or something. You may hear a little bit of something 903 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: and they never hear anything again that could have been 904 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: a bullet came in to check you out, and he 905 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: was smart enough to come in down wind. Um. Whereas 906 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: a turkey on your cold call set up, they come 907 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: in um as long as they don't catch your movement, 908 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: eventually they're gonna give themselves away. They're not gonna smell you, 909 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 1: you know, and they may not even be vocal. They 910 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: may not um gobble, but you may you might hear 911 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: him drumming, you know, you might hear him kind of 912 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: wrestling the wrestle in the leaves or whatever as they 913 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: as they strut in. So UM. I think I think 914 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: there there's a kind of one big difference way why 915 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: cold calling on on turkeys a little more a little 916 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: more um works a little better and and sometimes like it. 917 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,720 Speaker 1: It seems like when i'm cold cold calling for turkeys, 918 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: it's it's the middle of the day. Um, and I 919 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: see a lot of tom's they're just out cruising the 920 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: middle of the day. They're just they're just covering ground, 921 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 1: you know, looking for hands. Uh, if they don't have 922 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 1: a flocked at tend of their own already, Um, they're 923 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: just out cruising. And I see that a lot a 924 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: lot of just single toms out just looking, Whereas a 925 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: lot of times the middle of the day for elk, 926 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: they've already kind of did their cruising at night and 927 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 1: first thing in the morning. Um. Now that's there's a 928 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: big asterix by that too, because when it's when it 929 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: the weather is not you know, nice and cold and 930 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: maybe one of those old rainy days overcast days in September, 931 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: and and they're really looking for love. Yeah, bulls will 932 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: They'll cover a lot of ground in the middle of 933 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,359 Speaker 1: the day too, if they don't have any ladies. But um, 934 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: a lot of times typically elk kind of want to 935 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,359 Speaker 1: bed down in the middle of the day and their 936 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: little sanctuary catch up on their night's rest because they 937 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: read it hard all night or whatever. So um, there's 938 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: there's never how do I say this, there's never always 939 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 1: never and there's never always always on either one of those. 940 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sits to write that one down, Dirk, 941 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,839 Speaker 1: to try to decipher what that just meant. Yeah, well, 942 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,959 Speaker 1: I guess you can't ever you can't never say never, 943 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 1: and you can't always say always. Right, there's so much variation, um, 944 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: but there's there's some similarities through it. Yeah, yeah, no, 945 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: I got it. And that's what that's what I've come 946 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: up with, like trying to figure out why and how 947 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: come is you know the main difference is you're I 948 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: guess the similarities are first thing in the morning, I 949 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: would call it like active calling. Typically you're on an 950 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: Elk or you're on a Turkey and you're doing the 951 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: you know, get ahead of them, chase them, try to 952 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: get within distance. And then where the biggest change is 953 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 1: is you alluded to, is the Elk are gonna go 954 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: bed down? Like their their action is done at that point, 955 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 1: and so we've all went through this active calling, the 956 00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 1: Elko and bed down. Now we've got to make it 957 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,839 Speaker 1: this vision, you know, whether we're gonna mess with them 958 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: in better if we're gonna leave them alone and hunt 959 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: them that evening or whatnot, and versus the turkeys are 960 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: the opposite. Like typically what happens is the hens will 961 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: leave to go nest, and now that gobbros left all 962 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: alone and he's willing to cover tons of distance because 963 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 1: he's not going to bed down. You know, he's gonna 964 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: stay on his feet. He's gonna look for other hens 965 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,880 Speaker 1: and aren't on a nest, which we can be that 966 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: perfect hen that he's looking for in that area. So 967 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 1: I think that's the major difference, where you know, all 968 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: of the out go to bed, only the hens go 969 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 1: to nest. And then typically we're we're no longer in 970 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: an active calling situation where we were done chasing birds. 971 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: We can now you know, cold calling is gonna work 972 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: better because we just have a lot better uh you 973 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 1: know recipient that that tom turkey is a lot more 974 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,879 Speaker 1: receptive to cold calling in the middle of the day 975 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: versus a bull that's bedded down and kind of wait 976 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,320 Speaker 1: until the evening. Yeah, it's almost like they're they're complete 977 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,279 Speaker 1: polar opposites on their schedules. Yep, right, Elk loved to 978 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: run around all night long. Turkeys us lay lay in 979 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: a tree all night long. Yeah, you like to bed 980 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: down in the middle of the day. Turkeys like to 981 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: run around the middle of a day. Yeah. Yeah, So, 982 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: I mean, in my opinion, they kind of to wrap 983 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 1: this up. You know, there are some stark differences in 984 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: turkey versus ol cunning. But I would have to say 985 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: there's you know, a lot more similarities. Um, you know, 986 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,960 Speaker 1: as far as how you call them, as far as 987 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: how you you know, move on them, as far as 988 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,879 Speaker 1: how you're gonna set up. Um. So, I I guess 989 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still confused why there's so much hate. 990 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,719 Speaker 1: You know, I don't even know if it's hate, just uh, 991 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, um discussed with with turkey hunters or you know, 992 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,959 Speaker 1: people liking to get excited to go turkey hunting out West. 993 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 1: I absolutely love it. I look forward to the hunting 994 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,760 Speaker 1: this year. You know, we're gonna head back to Kansas, 995 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 1: if you can come up here to eastern Washington, We're 996 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: gonna hopefully you know, hunt our northeast corner where I 997 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: kind of grew up turkey hunting. And like I said, 998 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: I just as much as I love to hunt bigling 999 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,240 Speaker 1: elk in the fall, I look forward to springing turkey hunting, 1000 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, just just a notch right below that. But 1001 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: but it definitely gets me excited. And it's the same 1002 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,399 Speaker 1: same game in my opinion, to go out, locate, get 1003 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: as close as you can, and try to reverse nature 1004 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: and call this bird into your lap. Well, such a 1005 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: great time a year to be out there. You know, 1006 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: you've been cooped up all winter and finally got some 1007 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: pretty days, some some sunny days. Just you know what, 1008 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: even if the birds aren't playing the game like you want, 1009 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 1: it's sure as nice to get the heck out of 1010 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: the house. You know. It's just a great time to 1011 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: be out there. And one more thing I was thinking 1012 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: about um as far as similarities for elk and turkeys, 1013 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: UM shot placement, right shot placement. Elk are big tough animals. Um. 1014 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: Unless you shoot, you know, accurately, into the right spot 1015 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: right in the vitals, they're hard to kill and or recover. 1016 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,279 Speaker 1: And same with turkeys. I mean, if you blast a 1017 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: turkey mid body with your shotgun, you're probably not gonna 1018 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: get it unless it's like point blank range. Right. They're 1019 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 1: just so tough. You know, you have to take ethical 1020 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,839 Speaker 1: shots that are gonna kill him quickly. Uh, Sam's elk. 1021 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: You know whether and it don't matter whether you're our 1022 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: tree or or shotgun, you know. For for turkeys, yeah, 1023 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 1: you have to fool them. You have to get them 1024 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 1: close and then like you said, make a make a 1025 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 1: great shot. So there's a lot of similarities just in 1026 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,399 Speaker 1: like the the main overview, like the thirty foot view 1027 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: is you know, you're you're locating an animal, you're getting 1028 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: them close, and you're having to make a good shot. Um, 1029 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 1: which they carry a lot of similarities there. Um, you know, 1030 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: I I agree with you, Derek. I absolutely love the springtime. 1031 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: I love the weather is changing and the days are 1032 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,279 Speaker 1: getting long. Um, the day is getting long. I could 1033 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: do without, though, because it seems like by time you're 1034 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,880 Speaker 1: done and rus and a bird, get the bed and 1035 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: then have to get up at four o'clock in the 1036 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 1: morning to go sit under a tree that you you 1037 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: don't get a whole lot of sleep and then, um, 1038 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,320 Speaker 1: the other thing I hate about spring Turkey, and this 1039 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,360 Speaker 1: may be the only thing I hate about spring Turkey 1040 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: is them damn ticks. Um. I've tried spraying permethrin everything, 1041 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: and it still just seems like you're sitting there letting 1042 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 1: these things crawl all over you. We had I think 1043 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,879 Speaker 1: we both ended up with a bunch of ticks last 1044 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,919 Speaker 1: year and uh lines and eight of them. Yeah, yeah, 1045 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: I don't like them. Um, you know a couple. I 1046 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,319 Speaker 1: think I was on a couple of different prescriptions for 1047 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,759 Speaker 1: doxi cycling a couple of cycles last year. Um, it's yeah. 1048 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 1: But I absolutely look forward to turkey hunting every year. Um, 1049 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: it's it's just a fun time. Um. And whether you 1050 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: can hate me, you can hate me for saying this 1051 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 1: or not, it's very very similar to to elk hunting, 1052 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 1: and uh, I look forward to it. Yeah, it's it's fun. 1053 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 1: You know. I know you, you know you you blow 1054 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,279 Speaker 1: a pink call and you know, but you're okay with 1055 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: it and you're okay with love and turkey onto, So 1056 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 1: all right, you'll let both of those slide. Yeah, I'll 1057 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 1: let us slide. In closing, if you could give one 1058 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,879 Speaker 1: piece of advice to turkey hunters out there that may 1059 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,319 Speaker 1: add to their success, what would it be. Uh, you know, 1060 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be might kind of go to for elk hunting, 1061 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: and it's be persistent, don't give up. It's so easy 1062 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: to give up on turkeys. And get frustrated. I think 1063 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: turkeys are way more frustrating than El cuban um. But 1064 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,080 Speaker 1: you just gotta keep at it because I don't know 1065 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 1: how many times I've been frustrated beyond belief and then 1066 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,520 Speaker 1: have it it turned around in the next hour to 1067 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 1: where it's like, oh wow, that probably the best color 1068 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,239 Speaker 1: in the world after you know, that little performance. So 1069 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: you just you have to let your calls work. You 1070 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: have to give them time to work. And especially if 1071 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,279 Speaker 1: you're a new hunter and you just haven't had a 1072 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: lot of interactions or success calling turkeys, it's okay. Just 1073 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,200 Speaker 1: stick with it because you'll get it. You'll get it, 1074 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,600 Speaker 1: and and then you'll fit. You'll start seeing all the 1075 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 1: nuances of like where it went right and where it 1076 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,880 Speaker 1: went wrong, and then you'll be a lot more consistent 1077 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: in killing them out. Well. I really appreciate having you 1078 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,680 Speaker 1: on the show here today, Dirk and uh play luck 1079 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: this spring and look forward to chasing birds with you. Yeah, 1080 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,399 Speaker 1: it sounds good. I can't wait.