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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Prince, normalous countryman. We are back on normally.

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Speaker 1: I am Mary Catherine hand.

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Speaker 2: This is where we have normalist takes for when the

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Speaker 2: news gets weird and I'm here with Carl Marco.

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Speaker 3: It's I'm Mary Catherine. How's it going.

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Speaker 1: It's good. I hope you're doing. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I know that if Florida drops below seventy three, it's

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's not laugh. It's freezing outside. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: Which okay, I.

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Speaker 4: Am going to sweater inside even in seventy degrees, but

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Speaker 4: it is legitimately chilly outside.

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Speaker 3: Of course, the north part of Florida has it worse.

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Speaker 3: They got snow, they got snow.

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Speaker 2: I do have to say, although I want everybody to

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Speaker 2: stay safe, that Southerners acting an absolute fool in the

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Speaker 2: snow always makes for great TV footage. But it's not

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Speaker 2: so unsafe in the Panhandle of Florida, because, notably, even

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Speaker 2: in the Panhandle of Florida, where snow almost never shows up,

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Speaker 2: one Governor Ron de Santas had snowplows ready to go.

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Speaker 3: Where do he get them? Where does he snow? Where

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Speaker 3: does he store these snowplows? Everyone's like we have these, like,

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Speaker 3: that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, even if he didn't have them, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the great thing about him is that he'd be like

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Speaker 2: And it yet again displays just the correct posture of

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Speaker 2: so that you can have as smooth a process through

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 4: You know, a friend of ours, Jeremy Senderowitz, he tweeted

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Speaker 4: about you and said, as MK Hammer said, competence is

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Speaker 4: providing competence in providing basic services has become.

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Speaker 3: Write coded, which is just true.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's become like if you have everything under control,

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Speaker 4: you're a crazy.

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Speaker 3: Right winger and how dare you?

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Speaker 2: And it's really a disservice to citizens who live under

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Speaker 2: other party governments. It really controlled governments. People make this

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Speaker 2: excuse in my comments all the time, like you can't

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Speaker 2: compare these fires to anything, and it's like, well, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. You probably could compare them to a once

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Speaker 2: every hundred year snowstorm in Florida. They know they get fires.

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Speaker 2: I would argue they were probably more warned about that

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Speaker 4: I mean, so Jeremy was retweeting Polymath, another friend of ours.

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Speaker 3: Florida is more prepared.

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Speaker 4: For once in a lifetime snowstorm than California is for

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Speaker 3: And that's, you know, the.

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Speaker 4: Fact of the matter here. Look, we are obviously praying

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Speaker 4: with them. But this was a competency test and every

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Speaker 4: politician in California failed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as I always a disaster is going to

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Speaker 2: be disastrous by definition that some of that will just happen,

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Speaker 2: but it is your responsibility to make it as least

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Speaker 1: The resources you have.

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Speaker 2: And if you just just totally let go of that idea,

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Speaker 2: then you're not getting anything that you're paying for as

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Speaker 1: And they deserve what they pay.

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Speaker 3: For, right, That's what it's all about.

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Speaker 4: This leads us into our first topic, which is this

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Speaker 4: backlash against performers who performed at the Trump inauguration.

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Speaker 3: I want to tie it to the kind of cancel culture.

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Speaker 4: You can't vote Republican, you can't like Republicans, you can't

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Speaker 3: They're the worst, even when they're saving you.

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Speaker 4: And how just fake all of this is, and that

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Speaker 4: I hate all of it. Let's play the clip of

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Speaker 4: Charlemagne talking about how ridiculous it is that performers are

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Speaker 5: The hypocrisy that people display in regards to who they

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Speaker 5: there is no way you are more mad at rappers

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Speaker 5: for performing at these inauguration events than you are at

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Speaker 5: the elected officials who told us Trump was a fascist,

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Speaker 5: Obama was sharing a good laugh with him at the

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Speaker 5: They got paid. What's the politician's excuse for normalizing Trump?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 5: When I said that on Twitter over the weekend, I

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Speaker 1: Trump didn't do.

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Speaker 5: It for you exactly if Trump said the Trump said

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Speaker 5: the election was stolen in twenty twenty, and then he

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Speaker 5: acted like it. He didn't do no peaceful transfer of power.

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Speaker 5: He didn't show up to the inauguration, because why would

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Speaker 5: you should have for Obama, you should have for Biden

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Speaker 5: But y'all mad at Nelly and Snoop Nelli and Snoop

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Speaker 5: those performances are inconsequential. But what are people going to

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Speaker 5: remember when, oh, you told us these were the you

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Speaker 5: your teeth with him at a funeral.

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Speaker 1: They never believed it. They never believed it.

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Speaker 2: They never believed it, and they made a bunch of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they divided us. They kept us at each other's throats.

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Speaker 4: They have families, you know, just going to war with

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Speaker 4: each other because Trump is Hitler and how could you

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Speaker 3: Is the reality.

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Speaker 4: And Donald Trump did think the election was stolen and

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Speaker 4: he did behave like it. Hey, listen, whatever else you

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Speaker 3: He that was what people are drawn to him for.

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Speaker 4: He's real, and in his being real, I have my

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Speaker 4: That's why he sat with Obama, and that's why he

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Speaker 3: He just he loves being loved.

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Speaker 4: I know people like him in real life, and I

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Speaker 4: see this in him. It's not a bad trait. It's

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Speaker 3: I don't need to be loved, but he does. And

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Speaker 3: all of that is very very real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I also like about this that the scolds are the

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Speaker 2: go I'm not pretending to be angry about this anymore.

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Speaker 1: I'm not pretending that.

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Speaker 2: Or that this is a big problem that these guys

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Speaker 4: We have other problems, right, And the cancel culture thing,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure it's not going to go away completely, but

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Speaker 4: it absolutely is winding down. I think that people are

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Speaker 3: That is where we had to get to.

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Speaker 4: We had to get to people in their own political

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Speaker 4: universe saying, yeah, they're going to perform at the president inauguration,

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Speaker 4: get over it. And it's been such a long time

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Speaker 4: I think since we've had that. I was thinking back,

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Speaker 3: Dare you talk to George W. Bush? And how dare

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Speaker 3: It's different, it's changing. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Did you see the I'll mention briefly the Episcopalian bishop

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Speaker 1: He's got a skeptical face.

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Speaker 2: He turns to his wife like, are we really doing this, yeah,

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Speaker 1: People times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's him. If he's mad, you're going to

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 4: Again, I would handle it totally differently. I would pretential

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Speaker 3: And somebody's mean to you or nasty or whatever. But

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Speaker 4: And so of course he's going to make a big

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Speaker 4: deal about this. Jesse Kelly tweeted something like, whoever set

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Speaker 3: I kind of am with that. I really do think

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Speaker 3: that you can't make mistakes like that. This term.

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Speaker 4: This is a different Trump presidency, you know, and all

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Speaker 4: the different ways that it's.

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Speaker 3: I think better. And one of the ways is, no,

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Speaker 4: Sermon where the religious leader is criticizing him to his face,

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Speaker 4: as a secular Jew, I've seen the politicization of religion.

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Speaker 1: We've all been there right there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, I'm very big on I would

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Speaker 2: They were not treated in traditional ways. They were overcharged,

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Speaker 2: But and like it cuts against his law and order message,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what they're incapable of understanding, is that they're

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Speaker 3: Is it might play.

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Speaker 4: In their small jurisdictions, it does not play nationally. It

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Speaker 1: Really it is. That's what we do here.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think we've covered all the new Trump stuff.

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