Speaker 1: This time the stage you lacers brazy, we will sue you.
Speaker 2: Tis the Gunner. Welcome Tuesday, January twenty fifth. Welcome to
Speaker 2: the Just Baseball Show. That's Jack McMullan and Arm Lighton
Speaker 2: and I am Peter Apple. We had a crazy NFL
Speaker 2: weekend that we haven't all gotten to speak about yet,
Speaker 2: but it is Mariner's week. We're playing general manager with
Speaker 2: the Seattle Mariners today. Bill's Chiefs. Though, before we continue,
Speaker 2: is it the greatest game we've ever seen in the NFL? Jack?
Speaker 2: You said that on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said it's the best game I've ever seen,
Speaker 3: and it's not close. Granted, I'm twenty three years old
Speaker 3: and I, you know, watched the NFL at a pedestrian pace,
Speaker 3: So like I think I tune into the best games.
Speaker 3: Like Javier Ray has brought up.
Speaker 2: A good point.
Speaker 3: He said Rams Chiefs in Mexico City a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago gave off those vibes like, oh, best game
Speaker 3: I've ever seen. Yeah, but yesterday it was twenty five
Speaker 3: points in the last minute fifty two of regulation. Yep,
Speaker 3: that's stupid.
Speaker 2: I was. I was thinking about this. Arm. I'd rather
Speaker 2: have Tom Brady with two minutes to go down a touchdown.
Speaker 2: But if you're down thirty seconds, give me Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: over any quarterback. He got within field goal range in
Speaker 2: thirteen seconds. Have you ever seen that before?
Speaker 4: No? No, that's That's something I've absolutely never seen. And
Speaker 4: the weirdest thing to me, though, dude, is like I
Speaker 4: feel like it is and I understand like defense is
Speaker 4: giving cushion and everything, but thirteen seconds. That should never
Speaker 4: happen ever, ever, ever, ever, ever to be able to
Speaker 4: drive down the field and get a field goal like that.
Speaker 4: But I always feel like at the end of a
Speaker 4: ball game, offensive sliders get bumped up to ninety nine
Speaker 4: across the board and just offense becomes so easy. And
Speaker 4: I get it, they're they're giving cushion, but like, why
Speaker 4: if it's that easy, why not just play regular defense?
Speaker 4: And it's never that easy. That's the part that always
Speaker 4: blows my mind. But that part aside, Other than the
Speaker 4: Greg Camrio overtime touchdown for the o in thirteen Dolphins,
Speaker 4: I think it was Ohen fifteen Dolphins. You lost my
Speaker 4: game to beat the Ravens. Jack, that was the best
Speaker 4: game ever.
Speaker 2: I was the Owen fifteen Dolphins. No. One remembers that game.
Speaker 3: Can you say that name one more time? Greg Camrio?
Speaker 4: Greg Camerrio got it and just got lost over the
Speaker 4: middle and touchdown. Dolphins won a game Jason Taylor mob
Speaker 4: in the field. That was one of the best football
Speaker 4: games I've been too over time, but I'll take this
Speaker 4: one over that.
Speaker 2: And this Bill's Chiefs game went into overtime, and the
Speaker 2: overtime rules in the NFL are so stupid compared to
Speaker 2: the MLB rules. I mean, I know everyone has seen
Speaker 2: this quote all over Twitter. It's like someone hits a
Speaker 2: walk off home run in the top of the tenth
Speaker 2: inning and in the bottom half the home team doesn't even
Speaker 2: get to defend themselves. It's kind of similar to when
Speaker 2: we knew when that coin toss was flipped, whoever had
Speaker 2: the right call was going to win that football game.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs ended up with the ball to start the
Speaker 2: overtime period, and they ended up winning it and on
Speaker 2: a touchdown for Patrick Mahomes. I mean, it's not that hard.
Speaker 2: It's the Chiefs, but if Josh Allen had another opportunity
Speaker 2: to do so, you probably would have continued and that
Speaker 2: game might have gone on for three four more hours.
Speaker 2: If it was just touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, I don't know
Speaker 2: who would have won.
Speaker 3: I'm pro college overtime rule, I really am. Like I
Speaker 3: don't like the two point conversion bullshit that they started
Speaker 3: doing this year when you've got like nine overtimes with
Speaker 3: Penn State. But the old one where you know, you
Speaker 3: start at the opposing twenty five yard line, give me
Speaker 3: your best shot. Other team has a chance to respond here.
Speaker 3: I like that. And after two overtimes you have to
Speaker 3: go for two if you score a touchdown. I love that,
Speaker 3: Like that is big time.
Speaker 4: Or just give the other team a chance to match
Speaker 4: it right, like you can do college ot but regular football,
Speaker 4: like kick it back off to the bills and give
Speaker 4: them a shot and see what happens. Like even that,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, is an upgrade over what we're seeing
Speaker 4: right now, because it's it's just I don't like the
Speaker 4: idea of forcing overtime and then you could easily just
Speaker 4: not even get a chance to touch the football on
Speaker 4: the offensive side of things. I don't really think there's
Speaker 4: a parallel to that in sports in any other way.
Speaker 4: There's no other similar type of example where you see that,
Speaker 4: And I think the baseball metaphor is the best because
Speaker 4: that's the only other sport where you're on offense slash
Speaker 4: defense and it's not like is fluid, whereas like soccer,
Speaker 4: you give the ball back, you get it back, same
Speaker 4: with basketball. If baseball has that cut and dry, I
Speaker 4: think football should too. And that's something they got to
Speaker 4: figure out. And don't forget it used to just be
Speaker 4: field goal. You kick the field goal, the game was over. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was the craziest shit ever. Like that was horrible.
Speaker 4: So at least it's a little bit better, but yeah,
Speaker 4: they still they got to fix that. I think they will.
Speaker 2: And just finishing up the recap. On the NFL weekend,
Speaker 2: the Chiefs were the only favorites to win. The Bengals
Speaker 2: beat the Titans, the forty nine Ers beat the Packers,
Speaker 2: and like I said, the best team in football, the
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Rams beat the greatest of all time and
Speaker 2: Tom Brady. It's a crazy football weekend but really really exciting,
Speaker 2: which was good. But what's more exciting. What's more exciting, boys,
Speaker 2: is the Seattle Mariners to us at least because we're
Speaker 2: the just baseball show. So I'm excited to play general
Speaker 2: manager with you. Guys. Any, just quick words before I
Speaker 2: get into a little bit of introduction about who the
Speaker 2: Seattle Mariners truly were in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: They're good, like they have a chance to be really
Speaker 3: really good. In twenty twenty two, they missed the boat
Speaker 3: by a game. Obviously, it went down to the last
Speaker 3: game of the regular seas and they did it. I
Speaker 3: think two years before their window should have opened. And
Speaker 3: now I'm bumping their window up a year, like there
Speaker 3: is a world where they are a World Series contender
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from what about you?
Speaker 4: A fun differential, I'm liking it. I think they've got
Speaker 4: a shot this year to do some fun things. I
Speaker 4: could also see it going the other way though, too,
Speaker 4: So this is one of those teams where I think
Speaker 4: there's a wide range of outcomes, and I think that's
Speaker 4: why they're so fun to talk about.
Speaker 2: They are fun to talk about. So let's start at
Speaker 2: the beginning. On April first, the Mariners open up the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one season with a seventy two and a
Speaker 2: half win projection. Seattle crushed that puny projection, finishing with
Speaker 2: a ninety and seventy two record just two games out
Speaker 2: of the second wild card spot. This team finished with
Speaker 2: a negative fifty one run differential, but the fun differential
Speaker 2: was off the charts. So were they lucky or were
Speaker 2: they good? They were both. Ty Franz and Chris Flexen
Speaker 2: took huge steps forward, but Kyle Lewis didn't really and
Speaker 2: Jared Kalnick struggled in his rookie campaign. They traded away
Speaker 2: Kendell Graveman at the trade deadline, and all hopes seemed
Speaker 2: to be lost in Seattle, even though the team was
Speaker 2: still eight games over five hundred at the time. They
Speaker 2: went thirty six and twenty four after the trade deadline,
Speaker 2: slingshotting themselves into playoff contention and right into the veins
Speaker 2: of baseball fans everywhere. Fangrafts rated this twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: Mariners offense as the clutchest of all time. Seattle was
Speaker 2: America's team in twenty twenty one, But can they be
Speaker 2: world champions in twenty twenty two? That's what we are
Speaker 2: here to answer, boys. Straight away. Straight away. We got
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of moves to make. We're going
Speaker 2: over free agency stuff, We're going over trades that they
Speaker 2: can make this offseason, while also just going over what
Speaker 2: happened in twenty twenty one. So let's get into it. Boys, Jack,
Speaker 2: I'm throwing it over to you with your handy Danny whiteboard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm kind of a hipster. I've got an
Speaker 3: orange background with a plane blacklaw sleeve T shirt, and
Speaker 3: I've got an iPad that I take notes on with
Speaker 3: an apple pencil. So am I am I Jobs?
Speaker 2: Am I?
Speaker 1: Steve Cha?
Speaker 2: I was just about to say, young Steve Jobs with
Speaker 2: his whiteboard? What did Steve Jobs have back then?
Speaker 3: Like A, well, he didn't have the iPad he made
Speaker 3: Steve Jobs was the iPad. Yeah, so here's what I got.
Speaker 3: I got position players on one note sheet with prospects there.
Speaker 3: I've got pitchers both the starting rotation and the bullpen,
Speaker 3: with prospects there. I've also got some additions that I
Speaker 3: want to make. But let's run through like we have
Speaker 3: in the last couple of weeks, just like what they
Speaker 3: have right now, a depth chart. Do we want to
Speaker 3: start on the mound or do we want to start
Speaker 3: with the bats? Let's start with the bats? Okay, catching position,
Speaker 3: Tom Murphy is pretty much the everyday catcher right now.
Speaker 3: Cal Raley is pretty solid. I like Cal Raley, and
Speaker 3: then Luis Torrenz is a third option here Areum, what
Speaker 3: do you think about the catcher position here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Riley struggled, but I still like him.
Speaker 4: I still think you can figure it out. I like
Speaker 4: the bat He's fine defensively Torren's. The big question is
Speaker 4: is the defense. But that's another iron in the fire.
Speaker 4: And then, like you said, they've got at least three
Speaker 4: guys that I think are all borderline regulars that could
Speaker 4: kind of take it to another level. I think they're
Speaker 4: more than fine at the catching spot.
Speaker 2: Pete, Yeah, I mean they're all right at the catcher spot.
Speaker 2: I mean, just overall, before we just get into this offense.
Speaker 2: They finished twenty second in run scored in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: They finished last in batting average, They finished fifth lowest
Speaker 2: in war among position players, and twenty seventh in ops.
Speaker 2: So the numbers didn't look great. But like I said,
Speaker 2: Fangrafts rated this offense as the clutchest of all time
Speaker 2: according to their clutch Metric. So at catcher, I would
Speaker 2: say they're around major league gaverage right now. Arm you'd say,
Speaker 2: cal rally, you think he can be above major league
Speaker 2: g average in twenty twenty two or.
Speaker 4: I think he can.
Speaker 2: Man Like.
Speaker 4: It was a bad year for him. I don't think
Speaker 4: there's any way around it. But I mean, the guy
Speaker 4: I can really swing it from both sides of the plate.
Speaker 4: I think he just really was in his own head.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: It was one of those things where it just seemed
Speaker 4: like every rookie that came up kind of struggled out
Speaker 4: of the gate. I still think Raley will figure it out.
Speaker 4: It was only one hundred and forty eight played appearances,
Speaker 4: and I guess we know it takes a lot for
Speaker 4: guys to get acclimated up there. But what he did
Speaker 4: in Triple A was crazy. Three twenty four, three seventy seven,
Speaker 4: six oh eight, hit for power from both sides. I
Speaker 4: think he's gonna he's gonna be okay. And I love
Speaker 4: the swing and did the defense there is already at
Speaker 4: least average, you know, so I think at least in
Speaker 4: a complimentary role he should be fine.
Speaker 3: So former Mariner bias here, but do you see a
Speaker 3: little bit of Mike Zanino in the pop department?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I mean, like I think he's got a
Speaker 4: little bit more consistency in terms of like bats of ball,
Speaker 4: but he can run to baseball. I don't know if
Speaker 4: he has quite the ability to impact it like Zanino.
Speaker 2: I think he's more like thirty bombs, yes.
Speaker 4: And he knows got some crazy juice. But I mean
Speaker 4: he did hit twenty two jacks. I know, actually, excuse me,
Speaker 4: twenty nine jacks back in twenty nineteen. I think most
Speaker 4: of those came in hig A. But like, this guy
Speaker 4: can really really swing it through the minor leaks. He
Speaker 4: showed that he can and again is a switch hitter.
Speaker 4: He's not getting blown up on either side of the plate.
Speaker 4: I think it was it was just a tough transition
Speaker 4: for him, But I think he's going to start to
Speaker 4: feel it out.
Speaker 3: Zannino had like a hilarious amount of swing and miss
Speaker 3: when he was in Seattle. I thought it was very
Speaker 3: funny watching Mike Zanino just like not make contact with
Speaker 3: anything when he was a Seattle, America.
Speaker 4: I think he was closing his eyes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was bad. First base Terenz can fill in there,
Speaker 3: but for the most part it's commandeered by Ty France,
Speaker 3: who is awesome, and then Evan White, who is Evan White.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he gloved first first baseman.
Speaker 2: Love those guys glove first. I mean the glove is phenomenal,
Speaker 2: But the thing is ty France could have won a
Speaker 2: goal glove at first base with his defense this year.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think there's any need for Evan White.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Evan White could go play an outfield position.
Speaker 2: But even if we move him to the outfield, can
Speaker 2: he hit at all? I mean, I guess what's the point?
Speaker 3: Like is his bat MLB worthy as the big goal?
Speaker 2: I don't don't see anything, do you or them?
Speaker 4: No, But like you gotta find out, right, Like you
Speaker 4: got to give him a little bit more shot. He
Speaker 4: might get traded. He might get traded, honestly, I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't think there's much value there, but we'll get
Speaker 4: into it. Like the Mariners have a lot of and again,
Speaker 4: like I really feel bad using like metaphors or like
Speaker 4: words to describe players, but like they have fat to
Speaker 4: trim and I hate using that and in a way
Speaker 4: to describe the team because that's human beings. But like
Speaker 4: you look at like Taylor Treml, Jake Frayley, there's not
Speaker 4: room for all of these guys or in front of
Speaker 4: the lineup but my back. But like you look at
Speaker 4: you look at that team, like, there's a few guys
Speaker 4: across the board between beyond that too. You know you're
Speaker 4: looking at White, those guys are probably complimentary pieces. How
Speaker 4: about Justice Sheffield. We'll get to him too, But like
Speaker 4: there's a lot of guys that are like, okay enough,
Speaker 4: quadruple A type dudes are a little bit better that
Speaker 4: they could probably move. So so yeah, White's probably just
Speaker 4: a depth piece right now at this point, right, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's all he can really be.
Speaker 2: I'd like to give arm a lot of credit for
Speaker 2: ty France because I think even before Project the Plate
Speaker 2: was even an idea, before we even you know, got
Speaker 2: on these phone calls to create just Baseball. Aram was
Speaker 2: on ty France early and often.
Speaker 4: I was obnoxious about it.
Speaker 2: And Arm he's another one of these prospects that doesn't
Speaker 2: have a flashy tool. You know, he's not running super
Speaker 2: hard out of the box at crazy speeds, he's not
Speaker 2: hitting four hundred and fifty foot home runs. But the
Speaker 2: guy just hits.
Speaker 4: He just hates. That's why we've coined the ty France
Speaker 4: effect of any prospect that fits that description that you
Speaker 4: just mentioned. And yeah, I think he's gonna keep doing
Speaker 4: it too. I think we can pencil him in for
Speaker 4: that kind of production next year.
Speaker 2: And on a team that had the lowest batting average
Speaker 2: as a team. Say what you want about batting average,
Speaker 2: it still matters in that sense. Howbody hits you get it.
Speaker 2: As Betty and Betty at bats they had the oh
Speaker 2: it's at two twenty six, but Ty France to ninety
Speaker 2: one batting average. Since the guy who could put back
Speaker 2: to ball, do you think he could win a batting
Speaker 2: title one day?
Speaker 4: Actually in today's game, dude, I think anyone can win
Speaker 4: a bat seriously, but I don't think I'll quite get there.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, anybody but Mike Sanino can win a batting title.
Speaker 3: Other corner infield spot is somewhere that they need to improve.
Speaker 3: As of right now, Abraham Toro and Donovan Walton are
Speaker 3: the two options at third base, and I am saying
Speaker 3: nay to both of those in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: Are you saying nay to Abraham Torro?
Speaker 3: I am. He's not on a World Series winner, He's
Speaker 3: not the starting third baseman.
Speaker 2: I guess there were some things to like. He at
Speaker 2: least had a he had a decent second half. He
Speaker 2: just had a really good August. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: he was around one hundred WRC plus. He just didn't
Speaker 2: slug really at all. That's why his slugging percentage was
Speaker 2: down as ops was bad. But he was a round
Speaker 2: league average last year according to WRC plus. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't I just don't think we should give up
Speaker 2: on Toro yet. I don't think he's that bad of
Speaker 2: a player, and he can provide a ton of defensive
Speaker 2: versatility across the field. I know he could play second,
Speaker 2: you can throw him in a quarter olefield as well
Speaker 2: as Wall's third base. I bet he could play first
Speaker 2: in a pinch if Evan White, you know, whatever happens
Speaker 2: to him, and if ty Franz you know, plays the age,
Speaker 2: I'm sure he could get thrown over there too. So
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be so quick to just give up on Toro. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Toro is.
Speaker 4: Weird because I think in another situation he would make sense.
Speaker 4: But it's weird to me because the Mariners go get
Speaker 4: Adam Fraser because I like Toro's batmore at second, I'd
Speaker 4: be more excited about the idea second base.
Speaker 2: Right. That's hilarious though, to say what over Adam Fraser,
Speaker 2: considering whatever just was, but like that's it is. It's
Speaker 2: got a fact though.
Speaker 4: So I look at that infield man, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: they need slugging from third base. You just talked about
Speaker 4: their offensive metrics and the guy that was giving them
Speaker 4: a majority of that slug was Kyle Seger. Now you're
Speaker 4: replacing Kyle Seger with a bat to ball third baseman,
Speaker 4: and I just look across that infield, I'm like, they're
Speaker 4: not going to have a single eight hundred OPS guy
Speaker 4: outside of Tay France at first base, who has that's
Speaker 4: a prerequisite for first base. You have to have an
Speaker 4: eight hundred OPS. So I'm looking at the infield, I'm
Speaker 4: like JP Crawford glove first, Fraser's bats to ball, and
Speaker 4: now at third base, you're giving up power too, Like
Speaker 4: you're gonna have a lot riding on those outfielders, those
Speaker 4: young outfielders to be able to produce. I want to
Speaker 4: pick a stick.
Speaker 2: At third That's a good point. I mean, you got
Speaker 2: to replace thirty five home runs and one hundred RBIs
Speaker 2: on a.
Speaker 4: Team that that was like the majority of their like sloting, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, production.
Speaker 3: As it stands right now, you've got Fraser at second
Speaker 3: JP Crawford at shorten Dylan Moore as the third middle
Speaker 3: infielder here. So like this infield needs a facelift for sure.
Speaker 3: Outfield probably does not, because I'm looking at a five
Speaker 3: deep outfield right now without zero additions and discounting Julio
Speaker 3: Rodriguez who is waiting in the wings here, as Lewis
Speaker 3: who comes back from a meniscus tear, Jared Kelnick, Mitch Hanneger,
Speaker 3: who is a nine hundred ops guy love Hanneger, Love Hanneger.
Speaker 3: And then you've got Taylor Tremmel and Jake Fraley is
Speaker 3: the two defensive options in the outfield too, Like they
Speaker 3: are really really good in the outfield. They're really really
Speaker 3: good in the outfield. Mitch Hanniger coming off thirty nine
Speaker 3: bombs and he's thirty one years old, and I was
Speaker 3: on his Instagram earlier today and he's working out like
Speaker 3: a fiend. I mean, he's grinding and he feels like
Speaker 3: kinda he is the face of the Mariners in a way.
Speaker 3: And Jared Kelnick is one of the best prospects in baseball,
Speaker 3: was traded in the Robinson Cano deal, and he's surely
Speaker 3: going to have a good twenty twenty two, But I
Speaker 3: think the best outfielder is not even on the team yet.
Speaker 3: Just like you said, Jack, I think Julu Rodriguez will
Speaker 3: be an All Star very soon and will be a
Speaker 3: perennial time All Star in his career. I think he's
Speaker 3: going to be an MVP winner. I think Julio Rodriguez
Speaker 3: is my personal and I know in just Baseball dot
Speaker 3: Com we have Bobby Witten, Adlei Rutchman, and then Julio Rodriguez.
Speaker 3: Me personally, I like Julio at number one.
Speaker 4: What do you think We'll see what the update looks like.
Speaker 4: It's funny. I had a good conversation that episode's coming out.
Speaker 4: It will actually be out by the time people are
Speaker 4: listening to this with a Baseball America's writer, one of
Speaker 4: the writers, Jeff Ponts, and we spent more time than
Speaker 4: I thought we would on who number one is? It's
Speaker 4: splitting Harris, but they went Adlee number one and it
Speaker 4: was a fun conversation about just that trio that I
Speaker 4: think people might enjoy for the call up on that podcast.
Speaker 4: But the other side of it, though, I look at
Speaker 4: centerfield and that's the question. I love all of their
Speaker 4: outfielders I concur with everything you guys said, But who
Speaker 4: the hell's playing centerfield? Yeah, I mean, just just for
Speaker 4: a little bit of perspective here their center field situation.
Speaker 4: Last year, Jared Kallenick played seventy five games out there,
Speaker 4: negative six point four defensive rating for fangrafts, negative sixteen
Speaker 4: defensive run saved, very bad. Tarya Tremel six or thirty
Speaker 4: six games out there was about league average. Kyle Lewis,
Speaker 4: he can't play center anymore at this point, a catastrophic
Speaker 4: knee injury, a meniscus injury. I think it would be
Speaker 4: stretching him thin to put him out in center. And
Speaker 4: then Freiley.
Speaker 2: Is a guy.
Speaker 4: Then you know, he makes the flashy plays, but he's
Speaker 4: not a defensive center fielder. That's a big question. And
Speaker 4: you look at what Jerry Depoto said. He said, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think Kelnic's gonna play some more center field. That's
Speaker 4: not a priority for us. I take that as posturing
Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, they were the
Speaker 4: ones calling up Pittsburgh and saying, what's the deal with
Speaker 4: Brian Reynolds And they ask him price with Julio Rodriguez,
Speaker 4: so they hung up. I think centerfield is a priority
Speaker 4: for them. Maybe it's not the utmost priority. I know
Speaker 4: they don't want to have Kellenick out there in center
Speaker 4: if they don't have to. And that's the big question
Speaker 4: is who's playing center field for this team next year?
Speaker 4: Because if it's Kelnick, as Depoto says, I mean, they're
Speaker 4: giving up a lot there in terms of defensive value
Speaker 4: and one of the most important places defensively in the
Speaker 4: entire field.
Speaker 3: Just the thought of like Kyle Lewis and left and
Speaker 3: Kelnick and center, and Julio and right and hanneger is
Speaker 3: the dah is enough for me, like I can I
Speaker 3: can give some defense in center field there with with
Speaker 3: that quartet being the three outfielders in the DH. Do
Speaker 3: you think Jared Keelnick's a good enough athlete to at
Speaker 3: least be able to make the move over to center
Speaker 3: and at least be major league gaverage He can get better.
Speaker 3: He didn't get better, And I feel like he hasn't
Speaker 3: played a lot of centerfield in his career right He's
Speaker 3: mostly been a corner who had to move over and
Speaker 3: kind of start taking reps in.
Speaker 2: Centerfield center in the miners, mostly played center in the minors,
Speaker 2: and then came up and wasn't that good and center?
Speaker 2: You're saying, was he at least better in the miners
Speaker 2: when he played the position?
Speaker 4: He was okay, it's okay, Yeah, it's funny. I actually
Speaker 4: looked at I was like, I wonder how much he
Speaker 4: played in center, Like, going all the way back, he
Speaker 4: always played center. So here's the problem. I think he
Speaker 4: put on some weight, I think, but in.
Speaker 2: A good way though.
Speaker 4: It's like good Way, good Way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know no, he's just he's just chubby now,
Speaker 4: just like out there. So the one thing I do
Speaker 4: think though, and I am a firm believer in this,
Speaker 4: is I think he took some of those offensive struggles
Speaker 4: out there at the center. I mean we see that
Speaker 4: with young players all the time. I think he can
Speaker 4: get better, yeah, obviously, So I mean if he gets better,
Speaker 4: then yeah, you deal with it, right because you're gonna
Speaker 4: get so much offensive production out of there. But ugh,
Speaker 4: it was bad. They were the only team in Major
Speaker 4: League Baseball with a negative f war from center field
Speaker 4: last year. I know a lot of that was because
Speaker 4: Countic didn't hit, but I mean a lot of that
Speaker 4: most of that was the defensive struggles. So it should
Speaker 4: be interesting.
Speaker 2: It's hard to believe that Jake Failey isn't a good
Speaker 2: defensive centerfielder because I've never seen a man rob more
Speaker 2: home runs than.
Speaker 4: Just early now.
Speaker 2: He's a magician. He is a magician. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think he's the best robber of home runs maybe in baseball.
Speaker 4: That's funny, Okay.
Speaker 3: So here's what I'm thinking. I've got some names that
Speaker 3: I want to add offensively, but I also have some
Speaker 3: pitching names here. I think we should go through like
Speaker 3: because I think it's a quick conversation on the pitching side,
Speaker 3: and then I think our big splashes are going to
Speaker 3: come offensively. I think we should go through the starting
Speaker 3: rotation of the bullpen right now, like, talk about that
Speaker 3: real quick, and then we can circle back and make
Speaker 3: some additions to the lineup. You guys, cool with that?
Speaker 2: More than cool with that?
Speaker 3: All right, So let's just jump right back in with
Speaker 3: the starting rotation here, because they just signed Robbie Ray
Speaker 3: of five years, one hundred and fifteen million dollars. He
Speaker 3: is like the number one of a ten deep rotation
Speaker 3: or a twelve deep rotation. I mean, I'm looking at
Speaker 3: it right now. Opening day, the starting five probably looks
Speaker 3: like Ray, Marco Gonzalez, Cris Chris, Flexten, Logan Gilbert, and
Speaker 3: Justin Dunn. That's a good five. But then you've got
Speaker 3: who's gonna make their MLB debuts this year George Kirby,
Speaker 3: Emerson Hancock, Matt Brash. Then you also have Brandon Williamson,
Speaker 3: who are I know you're really high on, And then
Speaker 3: I'm kind of still holding him out like a teensy
Speaker 3: bit of hope on Justice Sheffield, and then Nick mar
Speaker 3: Gavic's too. Like there are eleven MLB starters right now
Speaker 3: for the Mariners to choose.
Speaker 2: From, and with Robbie Ray at the top, five years,
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen million to those Seattle Mariners coming
Speaker 2: up off an al Ciung Award with the Toronto Blue Jays.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of debate on whether Robbie Ray
Speaker 2: is actually good or not, whether he had kind of
Speaker 2: a lucky twenty twenty one, or if he's actually a
Speaker 2: good pitcher moving forward. I'm in the boat where I
Speaker 2: do think Robbie Ray is still an excellent pitcher in
Speaker 2: this league. Is he a top tier ace? Is he
Speaker 2: a top ten pitcher in baseball? Probably not? But due
Speaker 2: to I think that he learned something from Pete Walker,
Speaker 2: one of the best pitching coaches in baseball with the
Speaker 2: Toronto Blue Jays. Yes, do I think that he could
Speaker 2: give you a three four ERA with two hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty strikeouts in over two hundred innings. I also think
Speaker 2: that's the case. That's what I think we're gonna see
Speaker 2: from Robbie Ray. So you hear all this slander about
Speaker 2: how Robbie Ray's peripherals weren't that great in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: so people are just automatically calling him a bad pitcher. Still,
Speaker 2: I'm on the boat that's just not the case. He's
Speaker 2: still gonna be a really good pitcher, maybe just not
Speaker 2: top ten. Would you agree with that arm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. I mean you look at the peripherals. I
Speaker 4: would argue that you can offset those peripherals with the
Speaker 4: fact that he's going from pitching in environments that were terrible,
Speaker 4: whether it was duddied in or Buffalo or then you know,
Speaker 4: even at times Toronto, and then going to a place
Speaker 4: in Seattle, which is one of the more pitcher friendly
Speaker 4: ballparks in baseball. I think that'll offset some of those peripherals.
Speaker 4: So I'm not entirely concerned about him taking a huge
Speaker 4: step back. I think we'll take maybe a small step
Speaker 4: back naturally. I mean, the guy was one of the
Speaker 4: best pitchers in baseball last year. And I think the
Speaker 4: big strength for the Mariners is going to be that
Speaker 4: no matter what day it is of the week, they're
Speaker 4: going to have a good chance at a quality start.
Speaker 4: And I think that's just as important as having two
Speaker 4: studs at the top, is that when it comes to rotation,
Speaker 4: I think you're as good as your week as link Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you have a guy every fifth day that can give
Speaker 4: you a win, but if you also have a guy
Speaker 4: every fifth day that puts you a whole every single game,
Speaker 4: then you're in trouble. And I think they're not going
Speaker 4: to have that issue because, as Jack mentioned, every time
Speaker 4: one of these prospects or young pitchers goes down or
Speaker 4: falters or whatever, they've got another guy just waiting, just
Speaker 4: ready to go. It's outrageous. I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Like I was just talking to you
Speaker 3: guys before we started recording, I mean in August, like
Speaker 3: August one through six. If we're looking at the Mariner
Speaker 3: schedule right now, and Robbie Ray has to miss three
Speaker 3: starts or something like maybe he pulls a hammy and
Speaker 3: he's just like went down to the spring training complex,
Speaker 3: like stretching that bad boy out using a thera gun
Speaker 3: on it, and he's going to be back in two weeks.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could put together a five man rotation
Speaker 3: of Logan Gilbert, Justin Dunn, George Kirby, Emerson Hancock, and
Speaker 3: Matt Brash, and I'm gonna want to tune into all
Speaker 3: five of those games without their ace on the mount.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean the prospects are loaded. This system is
Speaker 2: loaded with some of the best pitching prospects in baseball.
Speaker 2: And I know Arm could speak to that even more
Speaker 2: highly than me. I mean, they got cause I was
Speaker 2: even thinking Arm And you know this is not an
Speaker 2: MLB the Show simulation, but in actuality, if the Mariners
Speaker 2: decided to do so, they could package some of the guys,
Speaker 2: some of the guys in the farm system. I don't
Speaker 2: think they'd have to even gut the entire thing for
Speaker 2: a guy like one Soto. So I don't exactly have
Speaker 2: a trade for one Soto, but just talk about these
Speaker 2: Mariners prospects, because if we wanted to, we could actually
Speaker 2: propose a fair trade for one soda.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they could trade theoretically. I mean, I
Speaker 4: think they put together a package that nobody in baseball
Speaker 4: can match. Like, that's the craziest thing is, even unless
Speaker 4: you're trading from the big leagues, if you put together
Speaker 4: a minor league package, there's not a team in baseball
Speaker 4: that could match what the Mariners can give you, because
Speaker 4: pitching is a premium. Not only are these guys all
Speaker 4: high upside pitching prospects, they all saw double A last year.
Speaker 4: Every single last one of those guys you just mentioned
Speaker 4: saw double A last year, some in varying amounts. And
Speaker 4: I mean even Brandon Williamson, who's like the afterthought of
Speaker 4: this conversation, is a guy that actually averaged twelve and
Speaker 4: a half case for nine innings in Double A as
Speaker 4: a left So I'm looking at this whole list and
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, you could at some point during the
Speaker 4: season trade from one of those guys and go get
Speaker 4: somebody or before that, which we'll talk about, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, to Peter's point, the fact that they could
Speaker 4: actually put together a package that, based on market value,
Speaker 4: which whatever the hell market value would be for Juan Soto,
Speaker 4: Like if you put it in that godforsaken trade machine,
Speaker 4: they could match up the trade value I think with
Speaker 4: the prospects they have, which is just outrageous and kind
Speaker 4: of explains, you know, what they have going on there.
Speaker 4: And I know Peter like someone Peter. I think he
Speaker 4: tailed a decent amount last year. It was like Chris Flexen,
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that guy's not bad. Like that's a solid,
Speaker 4: solid rotation piece for you too. And it's not like
Speaker 4: he's thirty five having a career like Renaissance. He's still
Speaker 4: twenty seven, I believe. So like they've got young guys
Speaker 4: up there too that that are pretty solid.
Speaker 2: So I do really like Chris Flexen. Chris Flexen is
Speaker 2: another guy who outperformed his peripheral similar to a guy
Speaker 2: like Robbie Ray. I mean, if we just look at
Speaker 2: for example, like fit numbers and expected era numbers, I mean,
Speaker 2: he had a three six one ERA compared to a
Speaker 2: three eight nine fIF and a four point three zero
Speaker 2: expected e er. He doesn't strike out that many guys,
Speaker 2: but he also doesn't walk that many hitters. His stuff
Speaker 2: isn't elite, but it's above average. I'm super interested to
Speaker 2: see what I'm going to see from Chris Flexen next year. Like,
Speaker 2: if I gave you an ERA total of around three
Speaker 2: six zero, do you think he outperforms that or do
Speaker 2: you think he underperforms that. Jack's going way over yeah,
Speaker 2: like in a good way or wait, like lower than No.
Speaker 3: I think he's like a three to nine guy. Oh okay, interesting,
Speaker 3: Like that's fine, fine, that's a five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe he is better than that. Maybe he
Speaker 2: is better than that. Maybe he's a guy who can
Speaker 2: continue to out perform these peripherals.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing that with the talent that you have
Speaker 3: waiting in the wings in terms of starting pitching, I'm
Speaker 3: fine with Chris Flexen at a three to nine and
Speaker 3: everything he gives me above that is gravy, Like yeah, good,
Speaker 3: Let's keep running him out there until Kirby and Hancock
Speaker 3: are ready, because Kirby and Hancock are just better than
Speaker 3: Chris Flexen, objectively better pictures than Chris Flexen. Here, I again,
Speaker 3: I do not condone trading for Juan Soto if you're
Speaker 3: the Seattle Mariners. I like, this is my parental warning, like,
Speaker 3: do not trade for one Soto. You've got enough here.
Speaker 2: But that's what. Don't trade for Won Soto.
Speaker 3: So if they don't trade, because you gotta gut the
Speaker 3: ship out of this thing.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing though, Like if we're just hypothetical again, hypothetical,
Speaker 3: does Noelvie Marte, who's one of the best shortstop prospects
Speaker 3: in baseball right now, George Kirby and Emerson Hancock, that
Speaker 3: Trio get it done for Sodo.
Speaker 2: No throwing Matt Williams in trade.
Speaker 4: Maybe I can't even answer that because I don't know
Speaker 4: what a trade for Juan Sota looks like.
Speaker 3: It doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: It doesn't throw four of the best prospects at baseballttom.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to gut your whole like some of
Speaker 4: your top top guys, and then you know what, You're
Speaker 4: not gonna be able to pay him after. So it's
Speaker 4: like what you're you're gutting, you know, the future for
Speaker 4: a couple of years of SOD. And that's the problem
Speaker 4: is I don't want to give up that years. We're
Speaker 4: talking about five six years of control with each of
Speaker 4: these guys for two years of SODO. That that's the struggle.
Speaker 2: At least now that Kevin Mather is out old president
Speaker 2: and CEO of the Mariners. He's gone after last year,
Speaker 2: they did commit more money to some of these guys.
Speaker 2: So maybe now with their payroll near seventy one million dollars,
Speaker 2: one of the lowest in baseball new ownership, maybe they
Speaker 2: think to themselves, you know what, maybe we should give
Speaker 2: one so five hundred million dollars of fifteen years. No,
Speaker 2: that's not that's not actually going to happen. But talking
Speaker 2: about another guy that starting rotation, Logan Gilbert, who you know,
Speaker 2: his era was four to sixty one, but his peripherals
Speaker 2: were much better. He looked actually like a much better
Speaker 2: pitcher than what his era said. He had a three
Speaker 2: seven three FIP and a four point h nine expected era. Jack,
Speaker 2: would you rather have Logan Gilbert or Chris Flexen in
Speaker 2: your rotation? I'd rather have Gilbows.
Speaker 3: I'd rather have Logan Gilbert.
Speaker 2: You'd rather have looking Gilbert to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think Gilbert's got like number two upside,
Speaker 4: probably closer to a number three. But he figured it
Speaker 4: out down the stretch, had a really good final six
Speaker 4: starts of the season. The command's good. He's figured out
Speaker 4: a way to make the fastball play. I think he's
Speaker 4: gonna be I think he's gonna be a really solid
Speaker 4: pitcher for them. And another guy that I mean, he's
Speaker 4: He's probably closer in the middle of the rotation, but
Speaker 4: I love what he's got going on. And a high
Speaker 4: floor guy that still has some upside.
Speaker 2: You taking Kucci is now gone, that's something interesting. But
Speaker 2: they don't need him at all. But he's a guy
Speaker 2: who at a four four one era wasn't that great
Speaker 2: last year, even his peripherals were even worse. But you know,
Speaker 2: they're losing him. I don't really have a point there,
Speaker 2: just more like, you know, that's someone that they're losing.
Speaker 2: It's someone who's been a baroner for a while. Now.
Speaker 3: Can we just note that you're big into the peripherals
Speaker 3: right now. I'm telling you again, get your head out
Speaker 3: of the Excel sheet.
Speaker 2: I'm just look, I'm talking, I'm looking.
Speaker 3: We're talking baseball, you know, Spare me, all right, Let's
Speaker 3: talk about the bullpen here before we jump back into
Speaker 3: what they need to add hitting wise, because this bullpen
Speaker 3: is sneaky, kind of awesome They've got. I'm gonna run
Speaker 3: through these guys real quick. Drew stecken Ryder, former Miami
Speaker 3: Marlin arm can speak to him. Plus fastball. He's got
Speaker 3: a miss slider, but he's got a good change up
Speaker 3: to Casey Sadler, who is cutter, dominant, but a stupid curveball.
Speaker 3: That thing is nasty. Paul Sewald who had a forty
Speaker 3: k rate, a seven percent walk rate in a sub
Speaker 3: one whip, who was pretty awesome. Diego Castillo who had
Speaker 3: a sub one whip in fifty eight innings this year
Speaker 3: across his time with Tampa and Seattle, Andres Munos is
Speaker 3: coming back from injury. Muno sits one hundred with his fastball,
Speaker 3: and then Ken Giles is coming back from injury, and
Speaker 3: Ken Giles not too long ago was like the best
Speaker 3: slider pitcher out of the bullpen in baseball. I mean,
Speaker 3: they've got serious depth here. Problem is they're all right handed.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, they had a lefty.
Speaker 4: The craziest part is, you know we just talked about
Speaker 4: I was talking about the Padres prospects. Ray Kerr, the
Speaker 4: guy that they actually sent over to San Diego in
Speaker 4: that Adam Fraser deal, is a lefty who throws one
Speaker 4: hundred with a wipeout breaking ball that would have fit
Speaker 4: really nicely in there. So the fact that they were
Speaker 4: really willing to trade Ray Kerr, who I think you know,
Speaker 4: will be in the big leagues right away for the Padres,
Speaker 4: it tells me that they've got something up their sleeves,
Speaker 4: whether they're going to you know, sign a free agent
Speaker 4: there's still so many free agent lefties out there, or
Speaker 4: or you know, maybe going to just make another upper
Speaker 4: minor league level trade. I think they'll satisfy that part.
Speaker 4: But Munios is someone that doesn't get enough attention. Came
Speaker 4: over in that trade from the Padres in with ty France,
Speaker 4: and Munios is somebody that they really believe, and I
Speaker 4: think they gave him a four year deal off of
Speaker 4: an injury where he only threw two thirds of an
Speaker 4: inning last year. He's going to be a legit, dude.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be shocked if he's the closer in a
Speaker 4: couple of years for them.
Speaker 2: And Anthony Musavitch is another lefty in their pen who
Speaker 2: through fifty four innings he was pretty good, not great.
Speaker 2: It's solid, and I feel like he'll at least contribute
Speaker 2: as a left handed reliever. But I agree Jack, they
Speaker 2: there's an arm. There's plenty of free agents out there,
Speaker 2: and you're already you're already grinning there because you know
Speaker 2: a couple of lefty free agents that they should go grab.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go least sexy
Speaker 3: to most sexy names. And sexy doesn't mean best fit.
Speaker 3: I think sexy just means like it's gonna produce the
Speaker 3: most intense reaction from you guys. So I'm gonna go,
Speaker 3: you know, most subdued reaction to most like fuck you
Speaker 3: get out of my face, or let's do it reaction.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 3: Right, Let's start at the bottom with Daniel Norris. Are
Speaker 3: you interested in Daniel Norris at all?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 2: Daniel Norris live in a van? Yes? That particularly. No,
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in Daniel Norris that much.
Speaker 3: Okay, fair because of the van. It sounds like because
Speaker 3: of the van.
Speaker 2: No, not because of the van thing, just you know,
Speaker 2: connecting dots in my bad he lives.
Speaker 3: No, it sounds like you don't like the van thing,
Speaker 3: all right? Moving on, Jake Jake's anti van. Are you
Speaker 3: anti Jake Deegman?
Speaker 2: No, not even a little bit. No, Jake Deemon, Yes,
Speaker 2: I like that name.
Speaker 3: Arham you look anti Jake Deepon, like, sure, okay, a
Speaker 3: little bit more sexy reaction here, Brad Hand.
Speaker 4: No, he was pretty bad last year, man, but like
Speaker 4: he's not this guy. But this isn't like an important role,
Speaker 4: like this is just the lefty for them.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 4: I'm in.
Speaker 2: On hand Hand's gonna be like weirdly expensive, though, I
Speaker 2: feel like still maybe just.
Speaker 4: Because it's value and he can kick rocks. But if
Speaker 4: he knows that he's not worth that much anymore, and
Speaker 4: then yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: How about Andrew Chaffin, Yeah, much better.
Speaker 2: It's not perfect, yeah, perfect veteran lefty mustache. Give it
Speaker 2: to me now, my pick?
Speaker 4: All right, I know who this is.
Speaker 3: Andrew Miller.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, thank you.
Speaker 4: He's given to me.
Speaker 3: Give them to me.
Speaker 2: What do you want from Andrew Miller anymore? Eighty nine
Speaker 2: with just the slider. They know that's coming that he
Speaker 2: can't throw for a strike anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want Miller in hopes of ringing the last
Speaker 3: bit out of the towel. I also want him for
Speaker 3: this insane veteran presence that is needed on this team
Speaker 3: because we talk about how much young talent there is here,
Speaker 3: where's the veteran presence now that Kyle Seger's gone.
Speaker 2: I'd rather have Jake Deekman than Andrew Miller.
Speaker 3: But Miller has won thing. Steekman has never won anything.
Speaker 3: Chafen one things, Chaffin's one thinks no, never.
Speaker 4: Don't think he's anything.
Speaker 3: Andrew Miller was the guy on a team that was
Speaker 3: like an inning away from going to the World Series
Speaker 3: or from winning the World Series.
Speaker 2: But does a back end reliever who's not going to
Speaker 2: contribute much on the field, is he that winning guy
Speaker 2: that will dispel the Donnas Haslam? That's what I'm saying you.
Speaker 2: You don't need to sign.
Speaker 4: Much like Haslam and pitched to lefties a little bit.
Speaker 3: But I see not looking for Bam out of bio.
Speaker 3: I'm wking for you, Donnis Haslam.
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying, Jack, because and that's just
Speaker 2: to point out how good this Mariner's bullpen is currently.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've named all the guys. I think according
Speaker 2: to f Ward, they were the sixth best bullpen in baseball.
Speaker 2: According to that stat they were a really good bullpen.
Speaker 2: So they just need a little bit of tinkering here
Speaker 2: and there. So I understand what you're saying with the
Speaker 2: veteran presence with Andrew Miller, But I just feel like
Speaker 2: there's plenty of other guys that provide that same presence.
Speaker 2: Maybe they haven't won championships, but they still can provide
Speaker 2: that spark that they need.
Speaker 3: So we agree that Chafin is option one, and then
Speaker 3: everybody else can go kick sand.
Speaker 2: I think Jack Deekman's a good option. I like that one.
Speaker 2: I don't know why we're throwing that one to the wayside.
Speaker 3: Well, I think Daniel Norris is a good option because
Speaker 3: I like the Van thing.
Speaker 2: Peter, all right, Well, good for you. I like the
Speaker 2: Van thing too.
Speaker 3: All right, Anti Dorris, let's transition back to the bats,
Speaker 3: and I just have one quick question for you guys,
Speaker 3: because Seattle going into twenty twenty two is one of
Speaker 3: nine teams with north of one hundred million dollars of
Speaker 3: luxury tax base to work with. They've got one hundred
Speaker 3: and six if I'm not mistaken million to work with
Speaker 3: before they hit the penalty. They're not going to get
Speaker 3: anywhere close to that. But are you team trade or
Speaker 3: are you team by start with arm?
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously the answer is always if. If it's
Speaker 4: about the money for them and like they're okay spending
Speaker 4: a little bit more. I know, I look at third
Speaker 4: base and it's a challenge right to address that position
Speaker 4: outside of Matt Chapman. And if we're talking about attainable
Speaker 4: realistic trades, how many other third base candidates are They're
Speaker 4: really out there. Josh Donaldson, Josh Donaldson's a potential guy
Speaker 4: as well, but I think the Twins may actually try
Speaker 4: to try to keep him and just see what happens.
Speaker 2: Is why.
Speaker 4: But if it's not Donaldson or Chapman, I think you
Speaker 4: gotta go and make a signing. Which I'm not going
Speaker 4: to steal your thunder jacause I know I know who
Speaker 4: you want for them to go sign, but I think
Speaker 4: that makes the most sense probably is go make a
Speaker 4: signing if you can't. If you can't, go get Matt Chapman.
Speaker 4: I'm marvel at the thought of just Matt Chapman and
Speaker 4: JP Crawford on the left side of an infield together.
Speaker 4: That would be a lot of fun. And I think
Speaker 4: Chapman would give you very similar type of production to
Speaker 4: what you got from Seger last year, which is low
Speaker 4: batting average, a lot of power, but with better defense,
Speaker 4: and I think probably a little bit more room offensively
Speaker 4: to produce.
Speaker 3: Peter, you team by or team trade.
Speaker 2: I'm team by. You look at the payroll and I
Speaker 2: know that you know they're not a team that has
Speaker 2: the propensity to spend a bunch of money. But can
Speaker 2: you finally once you see the team at ninety and
Speaker 2: seventy two with the farm system that they're cooking up,
Speaker 2: is it finally time to sign that big free agent?
Speaker 2: And Jack, I'm teeing you up right now because I
Speaker 2: know Mariners fans are probably clamoring for Jose Ramirez trade proposal,
Speaker 2: and the Mariners could do it, but we've spoken about
Speaker 2: this before. We don't think the Guardians will sell, and
Speaker 2: we kind of don't think that they should sell either.
Speaker 2: So I know oaking round about Wuan Soto trade rumors,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure we could just throw out random rumor
Speaker 2: mill trades, because you know, I love to do that,
Speaker 2: just out of nowhere. Just get the rumor milk cooking.
Speaker 2: I like the hot stove, but it doesn't I don't
Speaker 2: think that the Mariners would get Jose Ramirez, So I
Speaker 2: just I don't think it's worth going over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you I like the Chapman idea for trading.
Speaker 3: I'll get to the signing in a moment. I like
Speaker 3: the Chapman idea. If you're gonna go trade, I want
Speaker 3: to throw another name to you in the trade market
Speaker 3: that I think is probably worth a little bit less
Speaker 3: than Chapman, who can also be good here, and that's
Speaker 3: Jamer Candelario. Does that name do anything for you, guys?
Speaker 3: Candelario is a one nineteen WRC plus guy. He's got
Speaker 3: two more years of control. He had a three point
Speaker 3: two war.
Speaker 4: No, I love him. I just don't think he's available.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an extra base hit guy in Detroit, where
Speaker 2: the park is huge. I wonder if he went to
Speaker 2: a better ballpark if some of those doubles could end
Speaker 2: up being home runs.
Speaker 4: I think they're trying to win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: I don't think they're gonna do it, but I think
Speaker 4: they're trying. So I've been Candelario. I love him. I
Speaker 4: would love that as a fit me too. Don't think
Speaker 4: the Tigers would do it.
Speaker 2: Are they?
Speaker 3: Are they entirely in Detroit? Are they entirely gone on
Speaker 3: East sac Parades?
Speaker 4: I don't love them. I don't love them.
Speaker 3: Did they because they did.
Speaker 4: I don't think they love them that much.
Speaker 3: Peter, do you like Esac Preadis at all?
Speaker 2: Not? Particularly?
Speaker 3: What if they want Torque to play third base? Like,
Speaker 3: do you keep Candelario?
Speaker 2: Are they gonna want Spencer Torksen to play third?
Speaker 3: They want him to play third?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they want. Yeah, I want to fly too, but
Speaker 4: like it's just not an option. I think he's stuck
Speaker 4: it first. Personally, Yeah, I hear you, all right. I
Speaker 4: think the Seattle Mariners should go sign Chris Bryant. YEP,
Speaker 4: I really do. Chris Bryant is a Swiss army knife.
Speaker 4: If you need somebody to play center, chances are Chris
Speaker 4: Bryant is gonna be your best option in center field.
Speaker 4: If Kelnick is playing poorly. Chris Bryant has played solid
Speaker 4: center for the San Francisco Giants down the stretch. Chris
Speaker 4: Bryant immediately solves your problem at third base. This guy
Speaker 4: had a one twenty three WRC plus last year. I
Speaker 4: mean he had what three six war hit two sixty
Speaker 4: five with a three fifty three OBP.
Speaker 3: This guy is durable as shit too. I mean I'm
Speaker 3: looking back to twenty fifteen, his rookie year, his game
Speaker 3: totals one fifty one, one fifty five, one fifty one,
Speaker 3: one oh two, and twenty eighteen was an outlier. He
Speaker 3: was dealing with some stuff. Then twenty nineteen back to
Speaker 3: one forty seven, and then in twenty twenty one, one
Speaker 3: hundred and forty four games. He's gonna play all the
Speaker 3: time for you. He's striking out a lot less than
Speaker 3: he ever has. He's walking near a career high clip.
Speaker 3: I mean, Chris Bryant is your better batting average, same
Speaker 3: amount of power, can be a run producer and defensive versatility.
Speaker 3: And you know what, I know he's a Boris guy.
Speaker 3: I know it's Chris Bryant. I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 3: be that expensive. I think you're handing out another Robbie
Speaker 3: Ray deal and we can clean up. Say that's it.
Speaker 3: Mariners are one of my World Series favorites.
Speaker 2: I have a question for the both of you. We've
Speaker 2: done a lot of this GMS episode. You know, we've
Speaker 2: done the Padres, the Reds, other teams. Now I'm forgetting
Speaker 2: is has there been a better free agency fit than
Speaker 2: Chris Bryant to the Mariners that we've talked about. I
Speaker 2: think it's like a glove. How good of a fit
Speaker 2: Chris Bryant fits with the Mariners.
Speaker 4: Oh, I totally agree, And I to answer your question, no,
Speaker 4: I don't think there is a better fit because literally,
Speaker 4: like you have someone now that actually could play center
Speaker 4: in a pinch too, which is it's just crazy, but
Speaker 4: being able to play all over the dime and the
Speaker 4: versatility was something that Topoto really wanted when they were
Speaker 4: looking at him in the trade deadline. The Mariners were
Speaker 4: reportedly the team that was the closest to getting him
Speaker 4: besides the Giants. And you know, I think that says
Speaker 4: a lot. I think that kind of shows you that
Speaker 4: the interest is there. And I bet they make an offer.
Speaker 4: I bet they. I bet they make an offer. I
Speaker 4: don't know if it's going to be the best offer,
Speaker 4: but I bet they do. And I think that changes
Speaker 4: everything for them. Their lineup instantly becomes better.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: There they have that versatility, and yeah, it's an upgrade
Speaker 4: Overseeker from last year. And so your lineups getting better
Speaker 4: in other ways naturally, and now you upgraded third base.
Speaker 4: This would change a lot. Just one move I think
Speaker 4: could make move the needle a lot for this team.
Speaker 3: You've got that world series winning presence too. I mean,
Speaker 3: we talk about veteran presence. Is screw the Andrew Miller Think.
Speaker 2: He signed Chris Bryan Andrew Miller immediately becomes expendable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, and he's not even on the team
Speaker 3: yet and he's expendable.
Speaker 2: Just get one other guys, what a world series title? Well? Now,
Speaker 2: why why even signed Edrew Miller?
Speaker 3: I don't think you have to.
Speaker 4: It's one or the other.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's one of the other. What if that was like, ah, ship,
Speaker 3: we just signed Andrew Miller. We can't sign Chris Bryant.
Speaker 2: Now we're not interested to Poto comes out with that
Speaker 2: report or to bargers fans, could you imagine, Oh.
Speaker 3: God, I mean, they'd kill him. They'd tell him he's
Speaker 3: playing fantasy baseball again.
Speaker 2: And it's funny just going back to the starting rotation
Speaker 2: because we didn't really add anything over trades or you know,
Speaker 2: through free agency, and yet this team finished with the
Speaker 2: sixteenth best era in baseball as a staff. But they're
Speaker 2: just so freaking loaded. I don't do we have to
Speaker 2: do anything to the starting rotation. I would think maybe
Speaker 2: you add a fifth starter, because I mean, how good
Speaker 2: actually is justin done but no, I give Justin Dunne
Speaker 2: a chance.
Speaker 3: You know, I think Dune's a better I mean, like,
Speaker 3: think about it. You can go as I click back
Speaker 3: to my starting pitcher sheet on the iPad here. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: in reality, you can have Rey Gonzalez, Flexen, Gilbert Dunn,
Speaker 3: Kirby Hancock, and Brash. That's nine guys.
Speaker 2: Does any rotation in baseball? Is there anything deeper? Any
Speaker 2: team that has more than nine of those kind of
Speaker 2: guys in all of baseball?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. So it's not the best, like
Speaker 3: there is not. Robbie Ray is the worst of the aces.
Speaker 3: I think, Like I'm still kind of a Robbie Ray
Speaker 3: hater because I got to see him do it again.
Speaker 3: But like Robbie Ray is the worst of the elite
Speaker 3: pitchers cy Young caliber, Like I'm taking Robbie Ray last
Speaker 3: in the fantasy draft of cy Young caliber pitchers. But like,
Speaker 3: if Ray does it again, boom, You've got your ace
Speaker 3: and then you've got so many pieces that could be phenomenal,
Speaker 3: Like the potential to be phenomenal is through the roof here.
Speaker 3: So like, yes, not the best staff in the division,
Speaker 3: in the American League by any stretch. But I think
Speaker 3: in two years we could be having the conversation that
Speaker 3: the Mariners have one of the best stabs in baseball
Speaker 3: because that is how good the prospects are.
Speaker 2: Can we do something really fun? Yeah? Can we rank
Speaker 2: like Flexen and Gilbert and Brash and Kirby and and
Speaker 2: Cock and just kind of see where they stack up
Speaker 2: against their prospects. And I mean, ar, you're the per
Speaker 2: person to throw that to first, you know you got
Speaker 2: I mean, let's just go through them again quickly. George Kirby, Emerson, Hancock,
Speaker 2: Matt Brash, Brennan Williamson, Logan, Gilbert, and Chris Flexen. Am
Speaker 2: I living in road? Justin Dunn in there too. I
Speaker 2: think Justin Dunn would be last. But that's just me
Speaker 2: in that rank like next year, No, just like I
Speaker 2: guess the pictures that you like the most moving forward,
Speaker 2: Maybe not just twenty twenty two, because these guys are rookies,
Speaker 2: but I to give I guess us and Mariners fans
Speaker 2: and anyone else listening kind of to see where their
Speaker 2: prospects rank up with their current MLB talent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, all right, I've got seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Question that is I know what a loaded question.
Speaker 2: But it's a one, and I feel like it's important. Kirby,
Speaker 2: Kirby number one, brash. Wow, yeah yeah, Brash. Then m
Speaker 2: Gilbert is Gilbert in here? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Gilbert or Hancock. I'll go Hancock Williamson.
Speaker 2: So so we went Gilbert three, Gilbert's three, and Hancock's four.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, no, Gilbert is not even off the board.
Speaker 4: Yet Williamson Gilbert.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Then I'm gonna go Justin Dunn. Then Flexen. Did I miss.
Speaker 2: Somebody you like done better than Flexen?
Speaker 4: Yeah? If he's healthy, I like done better than Flexin.
Speaker 2: That makes me so sad, not just it is because
Speaker 2: I trust you on that, and I love Chris Flexen
Speaker 2: and I watch both of them, and I just I
Speaker 2: think I see Chris Flexen as a better picture. But
Speaker 2: you know, maybe Justin Dunn can be better. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess. You know, sometimes my betting gets in the
Speaker 2: way because I'm just tailing Chris Flexen when he's undervalued
Speaker 2: according to Vegas, and he just continues to win game
Speaker 2: it a game out, I'm like, what are you missing here?
Speaker 2: Same thing with Cal Quantrill of the Guardians. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: just went. They just figure out ways to put their
Speaker 2: teams in positions to win, they all game.
Speaker 4: I think Flexen and Don are the biggest toss up
Speaker 4: in the world.
Speaker 5: Personally, Yes, I guess all right, I've got Kirby one,
Speaker 5: Hancock two, Gilbert three, Brash four, Williamson five Done, six
Speaker 5: flex and seven.
Speaker 2: Flex and seven.
Speaker 3: But who's he better than on that list?
Speaker 2: I think I think Flexen is better than Done. I
Speaker 2: guess I would still put Chris Flexen above Brendan Williamson.
Speaker 2: But maybe that's just me. So let me do mine.
Speaker 2: So I would go George Kirby one. I would go
Speaker 2: Brash too. I would go Hancock three. I would go
Speaker 2: Gilbert four, flex and five, Williamson six Done, seven, nick
Speaker 2: Mark gavic Is eight. Nick Mark gavage Is eight.
Speaker 3: Eighty eight with the fastball from the left side should
Speaker 3: change up.
Speaker 2: Though. What that should go to show is that although
Speaker 2: Logan Gilbert and Chris Flexen have already made their MLB
Speaker 2: impact and of our and already look at least at
Speaker 2: the bottom between a two or a four in a
Speaker 2: good rotation, you have three, four, five guys waiting that
Speaker 2: are all arguably better. This is what the Seattle Mariners
Speaker 2: have to look forward to in twenty twenty two and beyond.
Speaker 2: Do you think any of those guys are gonna make
Speaker 2: an impact in twenty twenty two, not just pitch, but
Speaker 2: make a legitimate impact. And who's going to be those
Speaker 2: those guys, all of them with the exception of Williamson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, really, I think Williamson's the one that threw the
Speaker 4: most innings in double A last year, ironically, and I
Speaker 4: think could come in into some sort of lefty reliever
Speaker 4: roll down the stretch. Worst case, I think Hancock is
Speaker 4: the least likely to chip in next year. I think
Speaker 4: he's the furthest away and still will get pulverized if
Speaker 4: he gets called up too early. The fastball just isn't
Speaker 4: there yet. Brash could be in a big league bullpen
Speaker 4: right now. They were talking about calling him up at
Speaker 4: the end of the year last year. Kirby has seventy
Speaker 4: five grade eighty grade command of a fastball that's ninety
Speaker 4: nine miles per hour. Kirby's the guy that's going to
Speaker 4: help the most. I think right away, as long as
Speaker 4: he's healthy, then I'd probably go Brash in some sort
Speaker 4: of of way. However, he's deployed out there. Those two
Speaker 4: guys I think are one and two in terms of
Speaker 4: who's going.
Speaker 2: To help me.
Speaker 3: Okay, so when Kirby comes up, I think Kirby immediately
Speaker 3: enters the Alec Manoa conversation where we're talking about, like,
Speaker 3: best young pitcher in baseball?
Speaker 2: Who does George Kirby remind you, guys of currently does
Speaker 2: because he doesn't really remind me of Alec Minoa. But
Speaker 2: I think what you were saying, Jack is not that
Speaker 2: he reminds you of Alec and no, but that he
Speaker 2: can provide that type of impact once he comes up
Speaker 2: to the big leagues.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and people are gonna watch him and like not
Speaker 3: be able to see enough George Kirby. Like George Kirby
Speaker 3: is gonna be. He's gonna be like the top pitching
Speaker 3: vote getter for Rookie of the Year either league.
Speaker 2: Does George Kirby remind you a little bit of Zach
Speaker 2: Wheeler per chance.
Speaker 3: A little bit, but the command's better, Like we haven't
Speaker 3: seen command from a prospect like this.
Speaker 2: Armed can you tell the story of George Kirby, Because
Speaker 2: George Kirby is is not a guy who went drafted.
Speaker 2: Was this immediate can't miss pitching prospect, But then he'd
Speaker 2: just start throwing harder and harder, and he and the location,
Speaker 2: the command never left, but he just started getting up
Speaker 2: there from ninety to ninety two and now he's throwing
Speaker 2: ninety nine miles an hour. The story of Kirby is
Speaker 2: honestly kind of incredible.
Speaker 3: Arm One quick thing before you answer this about Kirby,
Speaker 3: I do just want to point out his junior year
Speaker 3: at Elon when he went in the first round eighty
Speaker 3: eight and the third innings one hundred and seven punch outs,
Speaker 3: six walks, dude one oh seven to six. His junior
Speaker 3: year at Elon, So we always had the command, But
Speaker 3: how has this stuff progressed?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the command is outrageous. And that was
Speaker 4: that kind of what got him into the Cape. You know,
Speaker 4: he was he was a closer for the most part
Speaker 4: in the Cape, which is wild too. Where out there
Speaker 4: twenty four k's one walk. So it was the same
Speaker 4: trend throughout throughout that entire collegiate career. But then he
Speaker 4: gets to Seattle, or not necessarily Seattle, but he gets
Speaker 4: to their organization and starts throwing ninety eight ninety nine
Speaker 4: and then up to one hundred and so the command
Speaker 4: didn't go to the wayside though, so you had the
Speaker 4: same elite command with ninety eight ninety nine one hour fastballs.
Speaker 4: The big issue with him, and not even issues, just
Speaker 4: the one question is the quality of the secondaries. But
Speaker 4: he commands them well. He's starting to show a better
Speaker 4: feel for the change up. The curveball and slider are
Speaker 4: good enough. I mean, when you have the baseline of
Speaker 4: that fastball, it's it's pretty easy to at least be decent.
Speaker 4: So I think, you know, he's in great shape. But
Speaker 4: his story too, I mean, is not really the most
Speaker 4: recruited guy in the world, had a pretty iffy freshman
Speaker 4: year and then just really put it together beyond that.
Speaker 4: And it took a team like the Mariners to see
Speaker 4: him and say, Okay, we can develop this guy. And
Speaker 4: this is yet another dude where it's it's you have
Speaker 4: the pitch ability and then you take the stuff to
Speaker 4: the next level. And that's exactly what they did with Kirby.
Speaker 4: I think the secondary stuff is going to keep getting
Speaker 4: better and better. This guy's got such a high floor
Speaker 4: without the compromising of his ceiling. It's so exciting.
Speaker 2: So what do you guys think about my Zach Wheeler
Speaker 2: comparison to George Kirby a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm telling you better commands.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's bad at all, though.
Speaker 3: No, it's pretty solid. Hey, real quick, areum? You and
Speaker 3: I have a mutual friend, Tim Leonard, who does great
Speaker 3: college basketball stuff. But Tim was my partner out on
Speaker 3: the Cape with the Brewster Whitecaps calling games, and there
Speaker 3: were two players out there that fully captivated our attention,
Speaker 3: like this is a major league baseball player. Like we
Speaker 3: took the headset off between innings and we're like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, what just happened. Spencer Torkelsen hit two of
Speaker 3: the loudest home runs that I've ever seen and ever heard,
Speaker 3: and then George Kirby closed a game out in Brewster.
Speaker 3: We ended the broadcast, took the headsets off, and Tim
Speaker 3: turned to me and was like, that's a major league
Speaker 3: baseball pitcher if I've ever seen one, Like, and this
Speaker 3: was before a hundred like Kirby just he looked the part.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, this guy is so
Speaker 3: freaking good at baseball.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's the best way to sum it up.
Speaker 4: And I think he's continued to back that up throughout
Speaker 4: the minor leagues. If the secondaries just are even above average,
Speaker 4: he's in business. I mean I was watching his starts.
Speaker 4: The way he can put the fastball on either side
Speaker 4: of the plate, the way he commands it, He's gonna
Speaker 4: be damn good. And I think he's he's pretty much
Speaker 4: close to ready. Even with the secondaries being big league caliber,
Speaker 4: he'll be able to be successful at that heater.
Speaker 2: And Matt Brash looks like Freddy Peralta with the fastball
Speaker 2: slider combo. I mean, he's another guy who could be
Speaker 2: in ace potentially in this league. And not enough people
Speaker 2: are talking about Matt Brash.
Speaker 4: No, and Brash is a guy we talked about way
Speaker 4: back right, And I mean that that breaking ball, it's
Speaker 4: like a power curve, slurvy type pitch. It's disgusting. It's
Speaker 4: gonna have that same kind of Freddy Peralta ridiculous numbers.
Speaker 4: The fastball is insane, and he needs to find a
Speaker 4: feel for the changeup, but has shown some ability at times.
Speaker 4: But like Peralta, he doesn't need Paralta doesn't need the
Speaker 4: third pitch really that often. He just needs to sprinkle
Speaker 4: it in rarely to really take himself to where he
Speaker 4: needs to be consistency wise. I think Brash is right
Speaker 4: in that same boat, and I think he can do
Speaker 4: the same type of thing right out of the gate.
Speaker 4: I think he can be that dominant as long as
Speaker 4: he throws strikes. And I thought the command got better
Speaker 4: as the year went on.
Speaker 3: Okay, one more question on the Mariners. If they make
Speaker 3: zero additions, no Chris Bryant, know anybody, and Pakoda sets
Speaker 3: their win projection at ninety are you taking the over
Speaker 3: or under?
Speaker 2: That's just lofty. And if they don't do anything else,
Speaker 2: like they need to address this offense, they need to
Speaker 2: address their base. Like I said, I like Toro, but
Speaker 2: I agree with you guys that if you guys want
Speaker 2: to win ninety games, it'd be a perennial you know,
Speaker 2: wild card team, playoff team like this. This infield as
Speaker 2: currently constructed, I don't think is going to do it.
Speaker 2: And you're relying a lot on the Julio Rodriguez of
Speaker 2: the world, who I love, but a lot of these
Speaker 2: young guys to make their leaps immediately when maybe it
Speaker 2: might take them a year. That's why the Chris Bryant
Speaker 2: signing has to happen, because that changes the fabric of
Speaker 2: this team, not only from just a third base, not
Speaker 2: only from a slugging profile, but just because you said
Speaker 2: it before, his his Swiss Army knife abilities, the fact
Speaker 2: that he can go play center. He can fill in
Speaker 2: the holes that the Mariners have, and you're filling it
Speaker 2: in with Chris Bryant. So I would go under if.
Speaker 3: They if they add Chris Brian, give me a win total,
Speaker 3: you first, Pete, you can go first there, just KB.
Speaker 3: If they just add KB and Chaffin and.
Speaker 4: Chan, I put it right in ninety. Yeah, put it
Speaker 4: right in ninety. I think ninety give or take a couple,
Speaker 4: and that that could be what puts them in or
Speaker 4: takes them out. I think, you know, at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, they are forced to rely on the
Speaker 4: young guys. And as Peter said, I mean, if if
Speaker 4: you can hedge some of that and take a little
Speaker 4: bit of that off of those young guys, that's important.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you're gonna have
Speaker 4: to rely on some young pitchers, You're gonna have to
Speaker 4: rely on some young outfielders, and you know that can
Speaker 4: go any any which way. And I think that's a
Speaker 4: really important thing to to monitors I mean, if if
Speaker 4: Julio struggles a little bit, or if Kelnick doesn't quite
Speaker 4: parlay that fantastic final month, if Kyle Lewis is just
Speaker 4: not quite healthy, there's a lot to be to be
Speaker 4: answered there. But on the flip side, those guys look
Speaker 4: like they're taking the steps in the right direction. They
Speaker 4: look like they're in a good spot. You're adding Julio
Speaker 4: to this team, You're adding Kyle Lewis to this team,
Speaker 4: who barely played last year and was the Rookie of
Speaker 4: the Year. So there's a lot of reason to be
Speaker 4: optimistic as well, because even if he's just thching, you're
Speaker 4: getting a big bat in Kyle Lewis back in the
Speaker 4: fold there for you. I think ninety wins is attainable
Speaker 4: because I think they overperformed in some ways last year,
Speaker 4: and you know, the clutch thing. I think that that
Speaker 4: has a little bit of luck built in, right, so
Speaker 4: you got to kind of find that balance, and I
Speaker 4: don't think you can come up big every single time
Speaker 4: in a clutch situation and count on that. So I
Speaker 4: think they're going to get better and be right around
Speaker 4: the same spot where they were last year on gems
Speaker 4: of wins.
Speaker 2: I think they're an eighty five ish eighty six win
Speaker 2: team without adding KB or Chaffin. But let's go over
Speaker 2: the roster again, with all those completions in there, what
Speaker 2: we think the twenty twenty two Mariners roster should look
Speaker 2: like with our additions, and then I'll tell you whether
Speaker 2: I think they could win ninety games.
Speaker 3: Okay, So catcher, Murph Raleigh and Torents the first, France
Speaker 3: and Evan White, Second, Adam Fraser and Dylan Moore. Short,
Speaker 3: JP Crawford with Dylan Moore as the filler, third, Chris Bryant,
Speaker 3: Abraham Toro, Left, Kyle Lewis, let's say, center, Jared Keelnick
Speaker 3: let's say with Jake Frayley as the backup right, Mitch Hanneger,
Speaker 3: Taylor Tremmel as the fifth outfielder if you're counting Freley
Speaker 3: as the fourth. Starting pitching Robbie Ray, Marco Gonzalez, Chris Flexen,
Speaker 3: Logan Gilbert, Justin Dunn with George Kirby, Emerson Hancock, Matt Brash,
Speaker 3: Justice Sheffield, Brandon Williamson waiting in the wings the bullpen
Speaker 3: Andrew Chaffin, who we're adding, Drew Steckenrider Casey Stadler, Paul Sewell,
Speaker 3: Diego Castillo, Andres Munos, Ken Giles.
Speaker 4: That's a great bullpen.
Speaker 2: That's a great bullpen.
Speaker 3: That's a great team.
Speaker 2: That team, that team wins ninety games twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: they might win one hundred and sixty two games. Yeah, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're really twenty twenty three is going to be insane
Speaker 2: for the Seattle left out Julio and we left out
Speaker 2: Julio Reguez No exactly. I thought you left out Julio
Speaker 2: on purpose, just to say, like, what twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: is gonna look like? Yeah, like Julio's gonna be there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's gonna be there in like three
Speaker 4: weeks into the season, so you know, And I think
Speaker 4: then Kyle Lewis goes to DH and you probably split
Speaker 4: hanneger And and Lewis with the DH outfield time. That's crazy,
Speaker 4: that's crazy. I love that. One other move I would
Speaker 4: love to see them make, though, to be honest, I
Speaker 4: would love to trade one of those Freiley Tremel, one
Speaker 4: of those guys for a defensive minded Brett Phillips type
Speaker 4: fourth outfielder. So just in case late in ball games,
Speaker 4: you can go throw a defensive stud out there in center.
Speaker 3: You've got it with Freiley.
Speaker 4: No, he's not a center field he's not a plus
Speaker 4: center fielder.
Speaker 3: He's not Rob's bombs.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's great.
Speaker 4: He's flashy. That's great. They need a fourth outfielder that's
Speaker 4: like a wizard defensively, a Jake morrisnik type. Maybe they
Speaker 4: can go get Christianistic.
Speaker 2: If you squint a little bit, he kind of looks
Speaker 2: like Harrison Vader if you squint to Jake Freyley.
Speaker 4: But you understand, like Mauristmik serves a purpose. He serves
Speaker 4: a purpose. Poor outfielder, what purpose does he serve? With
Speaker 4: the padres and the astros, Like you need afford the fielder,
Speaker 4: like it's good defense matters.
Speaker 2: It does, especially in the outfield. You want to turn
Speaker 2: those doubles and outs.
Speaker 4: Yes, Brett Phillips.
Speaker 2: Brett Phillips, I could see. Brett Phillips s.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I care about the things that maybe most people
Speaker 4: don't care about.
Speaker 2: Brett Phillips bumps up the fun differential for sure, But
Speaker 2: Jake losing him dampers the fun differential. So you gotta
Speaker 2: you gotta your give and take.
Speaker 4: There, So trade Trammel. He's so boring.
Speaker 2: He doesn't do anything for the fund differential. That's for me.
Speaker 3: No, do you guys, I like Trauell I to stop moving.
Speaker 3: I want him to stop apartment hunting.
Speaker 4: Yes, I know, I do. I don't want to trade it.
Speaker 4: I feel bad for him at this point. The guy's
Speaker 4: been passed around. It's it's it's Unfortunately.
Speaker 2: The Marlins would love Taylor Tremont feels like a perfect Martlin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll think, yeah, I'll fit right in.
Speaker 3: We should end the pod with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah more than oh no, not thank you.
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