WEBVTT - 147 | Playing General Manager: 2022 Seattle Mariners 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:22.880 This time the stage you lacers brazy, we will sue you. 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:41.839 Tis the Gunner. Welcome Tuesday, January twenty fifth. Welcome to 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.760 the Just Baseball Show. That's Jack McMullan and Arm Lighton 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.440 and I am Peter Apple. We had a crazy NFL 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.040 weekend that we haven't all gotten to speak about yet, 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.440 but it is Mariner's week. We're playing general manager with 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:59.880 the Seattle Mariners today. Bill's Chiefs. Though, before we continue, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.920 is it the greatest game we've ever seen in the NFL? Jack? 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:03.880 You said that on Twitter. 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.720 Yeah, I said it's the best game I've ever seen, 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:10.000 and it's not close. Granted, I'm twenty three years old 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.720 and I, you know, watched the NFL at a pedestrian pace, 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.759 So like I think I tune into the best games. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:18.160 Like Javier Ray has brought up. 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:18.600 A good point. 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:22.160 He said Rams Chiefs in Mexico City a couple of 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.880 years ago gave off those vibes like, oh, best game 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.840 I've ever seen. Yeah, but yesterday it was twenty five 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.040 points in the last minute fifty two of regulation. Yep, 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:32.480 that's stupid. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.759 I was. I was thinking about this. Arm. I'd rather 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.160 have Tom Brady with two minutes to go down a touchdown. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:44.600 But if you're down thirty seconds, give me Patrick Mahomes 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:48.400 over any quarterback. He got within field goal range in 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.000 thirteen seconds. Have you ever seen that before? 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:55.640 No? No, that's That's something I've absolutely never seen. And 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.360 the weirdest thing to me, though, dude, is like I 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.960 feel like it is and I understand like defense is 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.720 giving cushion and everything, but thirteen seconds. That should never 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.679 happen ever, ever, ever, ever, ever to be able to 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:10.440 drive down the field and get a field goal like that. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:11.639 But I always feel like at the end of a 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.160 ball game, offensive sliders get bumped up to ninety nine 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.320 across the board and just offense becomes so easy. And 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.280 I get it, they're they're giving cushion, but like, why 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.840 if it's that easy, why not just play regular defense? 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.400 And it's never that easy. That's the part that always 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.840 blows my mind. But that part aside, Other than the 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:35.160 Greg Camrio overtime touchdown for the o in thirteen Dolphins, 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.440 I think it was Ohen fifteen Dolphins. You lost my 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.519 game to beat the Ravens. Jack, that was the best 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:41.960 game ever. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.480 I was the Owen fifteen Dolphins. No. One remembers that game. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.240 Can you say that name one more time? Greg Camrio? 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.800 Greg Camerrio got it and just got lost over the 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:57.080 middle and touchdown. Dolphins won a game Jason Taylor mob 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:58.800 in the field. That was one of the best football 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.400 games I've been too over time, but I'll take this 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:03.040 one over that. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.800 And this Bill's Chiefs game went into overtime, and the 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.280 overtime rules in the NFL are so stupid compared to 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:12.120 the MLB rules. I mean, I know everyone has seen 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.720 this quote all over Twitter. It's like someone hits a 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.080 walk off home run in the top of the tenth 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.160 inning and in the bottom half the home team doesn't even 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.560 get to defend themselves. It's kind of similar to when 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.359 we knew when that coin toss was flipped, whoever had 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.720 the right call was going to win that football game. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.520 The Chiefs ended up with the ball to start the 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.080 overtime period, and they ended up winning it and on 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.400 a touchdown for Patrick Mahomes. I mean, it's not that hard. 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.040 It's the Chiefs, but if Josh Allen had another opportunity 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.400 to do so, you probably would have continued and that 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:44.120 game might have gone on for three four more hours. 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.440 If it was just touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, I don't know 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:48.080 who would have won. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.120 I'm pro college overtime rule, I really am. Like I 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.000 don't like the two point conversion bullshit that they started 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.320 doing this year when you've got like nine overtimes with 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.680 Penn State. But the old one where you know, you 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.040 start at the opposing twenty five yard line, give me 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.360 your best shot. Other team has a chance to respond here. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.000 I like that. And after two overtimes you have to 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.160 go for two if you score a touchdown. I love that, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:15.560 Like that is big time. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:17.920 Or just give the other team a chance to match 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.600 it right, like you can do college ot but regular football, 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.000 like kick it back off to the bills and give 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.640 them a shot and see what happens. Like even that, 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.920 in my opinion, is an upgrade over what we're seeing 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.599 right now, because it's it's just I don't like the 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.839 idea of forcing overtime and then you could easily just 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.720 not even get a chance to touch the football on 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:42.400 the offensive side of things. I don't really think there's 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.559 a parallel to that in sports in any other way. 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.560 There's no other similar type of example where you see that, 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.240 And I think the baseball metaphor is the best because 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.400 that's the only other sport where you're on offense slash 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.320 defense and it's not like is fluid, whereas like soccer, 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:58.760 you give the ball back, you get it back, same 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.760 with basketball. If baseball has that cut and dry, I 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.880 think football should too. And that's something they got to 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.560 figure out. And don't forget it used to just be 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.200 field goal. You kick the field goal, the game was over. Yeah, 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.760 that was the craziest shit ever. Like that was horrible. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.440 So at least it's a little bit better, but yeah, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.560 they still they got to fix that. I think they will. 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.960 And just finishing up the recap. On the NFL weekend, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.680 the Chiefs were the only favorites to win. The Bengals 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.760 beat the Titans, the forty nine Ers beat the Packers, 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.440 and like I said, the best team in football, the 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.600 Los Angeles Rams beat the greatest of all time and 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:33.920 Tom Brady. It's a crazy football weekend but really really exciting, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.480 which was good. But what's more exciting. What's more exciting, boys, 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.040 is the Seattle Mariners to us at least because we're 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.599 the just baseball show. So I'm excited to play general 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.719 manager with you. Guys. Any, just quick words before I 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.640 get into a little bit of introduction about who the 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.680 Seattle Mariners truly were in twenty twenty one. 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.960 They're good, like they have a chance to be really 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.240 really good. In twenty twenty two, they missed the boat 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.159 by a game. Obviously, it went down to the last 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.520 game of the regular seas and they did it. I 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.360 think two years before their window should have opened. And 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.000 now I'm bumping their window up a year, like there 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.520 is a world where they are a World Series contender 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:09.960 this year. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:11.760 Yeah, from what about you? 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:17.360 A fun differential, I'm liking it. I think they've got 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.320 a shot this year to do some fun things. I 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.240 could also see it going the other way though, too, 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.520 So this is one of those teams where I think 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.440 there's a wide range of outcomes, and I think that's 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:27.719 why they're so fun to talk about. 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.840 They are fun to talk about. So let's start at 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.960 the beginning. On April first, the Mariners open up the 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:35.920 twenty twenty one season with a seventy two and a 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:40.440 half win projection. Seattle crushed that puny projection, finishing with 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.640 a ninety and seventy two record just two games out 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.279 of the second wild card spot. This team finished with 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:50.520 a negative fifty one run differential, but the fun differential 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.280 was off the charts. So were they lucky or were 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.880 they good? They were both. Ty Franz and Chris Flexen 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.320 took huge steps forward, but Kyle Lewis didn't really and 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.680 Jared Kalnick struggled in his rookie campaign. They traded away 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.120 Kendell Graveman at the trade deadline, and all hopes seemed 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.359 to be lost in Seattle, even though the team was 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.640 still eight games over five hundred at the time. They 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.360 went thirty six and twenty four after the trade deadline, 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:19.000 slingshotting themselves into playoff contention and right into the veins 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.840 of baseball fans everywhere. Fangrafts rated this twenty twenty one 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:27.360 Mariners offense as the clutchest of all time. Seattle was 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.000 America's team in twenty twenty one, But can they be 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.200 world champions in twenty twenty two? That's what we are 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:38.480 here to answer, boys. Straight away. Straight away. We got 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.720 a lot, a lot of moves to make. We're going 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.160 over free agency stuff, We're going over trades that they 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.160 can make this offseason, while also just going over what 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:51.160 happened in twenty twenty one. So let's get into it. Boys, Jack, 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.240 I'm throwing it over to you with your handy Danny whiteboard. 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.280 Yeah, so I'm kind of a hipster. I've got an 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:01.520 orange background with a plane blacklaw sleeve T shirt, and 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.320 I've got an iPad that I take notes on with 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:07.920 an apple pencil. So am I am I Jobs? 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:08.160 Am I? 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:08.600 Steve Cha? 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:10.720 I was just about to say, young Steve Jobs with 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.200 his whiteboard? What did Steve Jobs have back then? 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.400 Like A, well, he didn't have the iPad he made 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:20.760 Steve Jobs was the iPad. Yeah, so here's what I got. 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:25.040 I got position players on one note sheet with prospects there. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.320 I've got pitchers both the starting rotation and the bullpen, 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.199 with prospects there. I've also got some additions that I 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.000 want to make. But let's run through like we have 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.040 in the last couple of weeks, just like what they 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.319 have right now, a depth chart. Do we want to 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.280 start on the mound or do we want to start 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:45.439 with the bats? Let's start with the bats? Okay, catching position, 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.920 Tom Murphy is pretty much the everyday catcher right now. 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.280 Cal Raley is pretty solid. I like Cal Raley, and 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.520 then Luis Torrenz is a third option here Areum, what 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.520 do you think about the catcher position here? 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.319 Yeah, I mean Riley struggled, but I still like him. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.319 I still think you can figure it out. I like 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.880 the bat He's fine defensively Torren's. The big question is 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.520 is the defense. But that's another iron in the fire. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.160 And then, like you said, they've got at least three 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.160 guys that I think are all borderline regulars that could 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:14.800 kind of take it to another level. I think they're 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.120 more than fine at the catching spot. 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:22.200 Pete, Yeah, I mean they're all right at the catcher spot. 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.880 I mean, just overall, before we just get into this offense. 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.120 They finished twenty second in run scored in twenty twenty one. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.840 They finished last in batting average, They finished fifth lowest 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:36.559 in war among position players, and twenty seventh in ops. 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.920 So the numbers didn't look great. But like I said, 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.240 Fangrafts rated this offense as the clutchest of all time 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:48.280 according to their clutch Metric. So at catcher, I would 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.720 say they're around major league gaverage right now. Arm you'd say, 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:53.840 cal rally, you think he can be above major league 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.240 g average in twenty twenty two or. 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:56.280 I think he can. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:56.720 Man Like. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.480 It was a bad year for him. I don't think 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.000 there's any way around it. But I mean, the guy 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.679 I can really swing it from both sides of the plate. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.160 I think he just really was in his own head. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:06.360 It was. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:07.600 It was one of those things where it just seemed 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.280 like every rookie that came up kind of struggled out 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.760 of the gate. I still think Raley will figure it out. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:13.719 It was only one hundred and forty eight played appearances, 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.640 and I guess we know it takes a lot for 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:17.840 guys to get acclimated up there. But what he did 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.760 in Triple A was crazy. Three twenty four, three seventy seven, 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.160 six oh eight, hit for power from both sides. I 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:25.800 think he's gonna he's gonna be okay. And I love 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.640 the swing and did the defense there is already at 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.959 least average, you know, so I think at least in 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.680 a complimentary role he should be fine. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.240 So former Mariner bias here, but do you see a 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.240 little bit of Mike Zanino in the pop department? 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.280 Yeah? Yeah, I mean, like I think he's got a 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.839 little bit more consistency in terms of like bats of ball, 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:44.760 but he can run to baseball. I don't know if 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.160 he has quite the ability to impact it like Zanino. 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.000 I think he's more like thirty bombs, yes. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.760 And he knows got some crazy juice. But I mean 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.560 he did hit twenty two jacks. I know, actually, excuse me, 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.160 twenty nine jacks back in twenty nineteen. I think most 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.240 of those came in hig A. But like, this guy 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.640 can really really swing it through the minor leaks. He 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.280 showed that he can and again is a switch hitter. 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.280 He's not getting blown up on either side of the plate. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.720 I think it was it was just a tough transition 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.000 for him, But I think he's going to start to 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:10.520 feel it out. 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.520 Zannino had like a hilarious amount of swing and miss 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.800 when he was in Seattle. I thought it was very 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.000 funny watching Mike Zanino just like not make contact with 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:20.560 anything when he was a Seattle, America. 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:21.720 I think he was closing his eyes. 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.839 Yeah, it was bad. First base Terenz can fill in there, 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.079 but for the most part it's commandeered by Ty France, 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:33.600 who is awesome, and then Evan White, who is Evan White. 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:35.920 Yeah, he gloved first first baseman. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:40.960 Love those guys glove first. I mean the glove is phenomenal, 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.520 But the thing is ty France could have won a 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.240 goal glove at first base with his defense this year. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.920 Like I don't think there's any need for Evan White. 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.200 I wonder if Evan White could go play an outfield position. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.559 But even if we move him to the outfield, can 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.880 he hit at all? I mean, I guess what's the point? 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.480 Like is his bat MLB worthy as the big goal? 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.319 I don't don't see anything, do you or them? 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.320 No, But like you gotta find out, right, Like you 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:08.480 got to give him a little bit more shot. He 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.880 might get traded. He might get traded, honestly, I mean, 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.720 I don't think there's much value there, but we'll get 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.079 into it. Like the Mariners have a lot of and again, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.520 like I really feel bad using like metaphors or like 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.040 words to describe players, but like they have fat to 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.600 trim and I hate using that and in a way 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.480 to describe the team because that's human beings. But like 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.400 you look at like Taylor Treml, Jake Frayley, there's not 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:41.199 room for all of these guys or in front of 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.439 the lineup but my back. But like you look at 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.320 you look at that team, like, there's a few guys 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.400 across the board between beyond that too. You know you're 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:52.160 looking at White, those guys are probably complimentary pieces. How 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:53.960 about Justice Sheffield. We'll get to him too, But like 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.240 there's a lot of guys that are like, okay enough, 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.840 quadruple A type dudes are a little bit better that 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.720 they could probably move. So so yeah, White's probably just 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.280 a depth piece right now at this point, right, I mean, 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:05.600 it's all he can really be. 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.880 I'd like to give arm a lot of credit for 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:12.120 ty France because I think even before Project the Plate 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.200 was even an idea, before we even you know, got 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.480 on these phone calls to create just Baseball. Aram was 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.480 on ty France early and often. 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:22.520 I was obnoxious about it. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.440 And Arm he's another one of these prospects that doesn't 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.640 have a flashy tool. You know, he's not running super 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.840 hard out of the box at crazy speeds, he's not 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.520 hitting four hundred and fifty foot home runs. But the 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.800 guy just hits. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.920 He just hates. That's why we've coined the ty France 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.840 effect of any prospect that fits that description that you 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.440 just mentioned. And yeah, I think he's gonna keep doing 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.079 it too. I think we can pencil him in for 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:47.679 that kind of production next year. 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.199 And on a team that had the lowest batting average 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.400 as a team. Say what you want about batting average, 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.160 it still matters in that sense. Howbody hits you get it. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.120 As Betty and Betty at bats they had the oh 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.800 it's at two twenty six, but Ty France to ninety 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.760 one batting average. Since the guy who could put back 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.800 to ball, do you think he could win a batting 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:07.480 title one day? 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.960 Actually in today's game, dude, I think anyone can win 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.480 a bat seriously, but I don't think I'll quite get there. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.000 Unfortunately, anybody but Mike Sanino can win a batting title. 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:23.880 Other corner infield spot is somewhere that they need to improve. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.640 As of right now, Abraham Toro and Donovan Walton are 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.040 the two options at third base, and I am saying 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.000 nay to both of those in a heartbeat. 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.080 Are you saying nay to Abraham Torro? 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.200 I am. He's not on a World Series winner, He's 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:38.440 not the starting third baseman. 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.120 I guess there were some things to like. He at 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.400 least had a he had a decent second half. He 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.720 just had a really good August. But yeah, I mean 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.160 he was around one hundred WRC plus. He just didn't 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.520 slug really at all. That's why his slugging percentage was 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.880 down as ops was bad. But he was a round 0:14:55.960 --> 0:15:00.360 league average last year according to WRC plus. But yeah, 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.240 I don't I just don't think we should give up 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.320 on Toro yet. I don't think he's that bad of 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.600 a player, and he can provide a ton of defensive 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.680 versatility across the field. I know he could play second, 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.400 you can throw him in a quarter olefield as well 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.560 as Wall's third base. I bet he could play first 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.920 in a pinch if Evan White, you know, whatever happens 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:18.880 to him, and if ty Franz you know, plays the age, 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.640 I'm sure he could get thrown over there too. So 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.960 I wouldn't be so quick to just give up on Toro. Yeah, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:24.800 Toro is. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.280 Weird because I think in another situation he would make sense. 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.600 But it's weird to me because the Mariners go get 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.520 Adam Fraser because I like Toro's batmore at second, I'd 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.600 be more excited about the idea second base. 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.840 Right. That's hilarious though, to say what over Adam Fraser, 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.560 considering whatever just was, but like that's it is. It's 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:43.480 got a fact though. 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.720 So I look at that infield man, and I'm like, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.480 they need slugging from third base. You just talked about 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.680 their offensive metrics and the guy that was giving them 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:56.760 a majority of that slug was Kyle Seger. Now you're 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.520 replacing Kyle Seger with a bat to ball third baseman, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.000 and I just look across that infield, I'm like, they're 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:04.640 not going to have a single eight hundred OPS guy 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.600 outside of Tay France at first base, who has that's 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:09.840 a prerequisite for first base. You have to have an 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.080 eight hundred OPS. So I'm looking at the infield, I'm 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.920 like JP Crawford glove first, Fraser's bats to ball, and 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.480 now at third base, you're giving up power too, Like 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.480 you're gonna have a lot riding on those outfielders, those 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.320 young outfielders to be able to produce. I want to 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:24.000 pick a stick. 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.840 At third That's a good point. I mean, you got 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.280 to replace thirty five home runs and one hundred RBIs 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:30.280 on a. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:34.360 Team that that was like the majority of their like sloting, Like, 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.040 you know, production. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.800 As it stands right now, you've got Fraser at second 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.560 JP Crawford at shorten Dylan Moore as the third middle 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:48.360 infielder here. So like this infield needs a facelift for sure. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.240 Outfield probably does not, because I'm looking at a five 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:57.440 deep outfield right now without zero additions and discounting Julio 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.480 Rodriguez who is waiting in the wings here, as Lewis 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:05.400 who comes back from a meniscus tear, Jared Kelnick, Mitch Hanneger, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:10.520 who is a nine hundred ops guy love Hanneger, Love Hanneger. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.920 And then you've got Taylor Tremmel and Jake Fraley is 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.640 the two defensive options in the outfield too, Like they 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.800 are really really good in the outfield. They're really really 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.760 good in the outfield. Mitch Hanniger coming off thirty nine 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.480 bombs and he's thirty one years old, and I was 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:28.359 on his Instagram earlier today and he's working out like 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.040 a fiend. I mean, he's grinding and he feels like 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.760 kinda he is the face of the Mariners in a way. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.760 And Jared Kelnick is one of the best prospects in baseball, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.560 was traded in the Robinson Cano deal, and he's surely 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.560 going to have a good twenty twenty two, But I 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.720 think the best outfielder is not even on the team yet. 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.000 Just like you said, Jack, I think Julu Rodriguez will 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.240 be an All Star very soon and will be a 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.080 perennial time All Star in his career. I think he's 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.520 going to be an MVP winner. I think Julio Rodriguez 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.400 is my personal and I know in just Baseball dot 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.240 Com we have Bobby Witten, Adlei Rutchman, and then Julio Rodriguez. 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.480 Me personally, I like Julio at number one. 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.000 What do you think We'll see what the update looks like. 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.720 It's funny. I had a good conversation that episode's coming out. 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:17.719 It will actually be out by the time people are 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.680 listening to this with a Baseball America's writer, one of 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.040 the writers, Jeff Ponts, and we spent more time than 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.199 I thought we would on who number one is? It's 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.560 splitting Harris, but they went Adlee number one and it 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.840 was a fun conversation about just that trio that I 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.639 think people might enjoy for the call up on that podcast. 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.000 But the other side of it, though, I look at 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.280 centerfield and that's the question. I love all of their 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.800 outfielders I concur with everything you guys said, But who 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.119 the hell's playing centerfield? Yeah, I mean, just just for 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.240 a little bit of perspective here their center field situation. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.520 Last year, Jared Kallenick played seventy five games out there, 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.879 negative six point four defensive rating for fangrafts, negative sixteen 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.359 defensive run saved, very bad. Tarya Tremel six or thirty 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.879 six games out there was about league average. Kyle Lewis, 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.679 he can't play center anymore at this point, a catastrophic 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.480 knee injury, a meniscus injury. I think it would be 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:07.560 stretching him thin to put him out in center. And 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:08.520 then Freiley. 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:09.200 Is a guy. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.880 Then you know, he makes the flashy plays, but he's 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.560 not a defensive center fielder. That's a big question. And 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.240 you look at what Jerry Depoto said. He said, yeah, 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.040 I think Kelnic's gonna play some more center field. That's 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.960 not a priority for us. I take that as posturing 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:26.240