WEBVTT - "Hometown Pride" w/ Skyler Higley 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.960 Okay, podcast starts. Now, what is up everyone around the globe. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.520 You're listening to Stradia Lab and I have a story 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.960 to tell. Georgia. Are you prepared for my story? 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.920 I am so prepared. You have no idea. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.519 Because I have been sitting on the story in such 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.520 an insane way. You know. We went to San Francisco, 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:38.400 and I said. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.280 We have talked multiple times in multiple cities, both virtually 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:43.440 and in person, and you keep being like, I went 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.400 to Palm Springs and I'm like, how was it? And 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.960 you're like, nu, huh huh. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:53.120 I've been like, I'll tell you when the cameras are on. Okay, So, 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.160 first of all, Palm Springs kind of sucks. Can we 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.200 start there? So I went to one of those like 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:03.320 nude gay resorts. It was called Indulge, which is obviously 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.760 so embarrassing whenever you say it. I didn't choose the place. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.280 Let's just start. I didn't choose it. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.280 I have a question, is this a p is it 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.320 called in an Indulge? 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:12.480 Like? 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:13.720 Correct? Wow? 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.240 And I'm glad you could hear me pronounce it that way. 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:19.160 You know, of course, what I would have done taken 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.720 it once the further in bulge. 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:29.520 Whoa, you know, I think you're right. But the problem is, 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.039 I think with it being clothing optional, you know, the 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.960 bulges an't always there because they're always wearing painting suits. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:37.160 Maybe in balls. 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.040 Oh that's good anyway. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.200 So everyone there is elderly. It's sort of a world 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.320 for grandparents, grandpa's in particular, to go to uh. And 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.840 I wasn't. I was. I'm rarely in a space where 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.560 I am the youngest by two generations, and this was 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:00.680 the case here. So first of all, it's just like 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.320 you're sitting around the pool and you're naked, and you're 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.639 only hearing conversations about taxes and credit card points and 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.960 condo renovations, and like to hear this guy being well, 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:15.080 we sold our condo in Saint Louis and then we 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.040 bought a condo in Florida, but the taxes were horrible 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.600 in Saint Louis. So but if we do the return right, 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.680 and he can go on for hours about this fucking 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.760 condo in these taxes, and it was driving me insane 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.880 in a way where I was like, please, like be lecherous, 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.320 like why aren't you like trying to have sex with someone? 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:38.000 It was disgusting. But then the real thing that was 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.040 funny to me is like, so we were there with 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:41.560 a friend and we went out that night and we 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.480 came back and we're all like going in the pool 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.960 and we were sort of drunk and being crazy and 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.560 we were like taking turns carrying each other like babies. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:51.919 So we were. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:53.720 Sorry, were you with a big group? 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.840 It was like this particular night, there's just one person 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.240 I'm friends with from New York, okay, and we were 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.079 all carrying each other like baby is ha ha ha 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.919 ha ha. And then there was this one like fifty 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:08.440 five year old, like sort of stiff businessman who uh 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.200 like you know, just kind of talked like this. And 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.320 we were like, oh, let's bring him into the fun. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.600 And I went up to this man and I was like, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:22.360 do you want to be baby? And he was like yes. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.600 So that I carried this random fifty five year old 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.040 man naked around the pool as if he was baby, 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.040 and I literally think he's like never had so much 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:33.840 fun in his life. 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.080 Oh my god. Wait, so then did he sort of 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:36.800 like loosen up? 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.080 I think he loosened up. He was like having fun, 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.839 and I think to swim. I was swimming him around 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.440 the pool, like, baby, it was where? 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:45.640 Was it sexual? 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:46.720 Non sexually? 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:49.240 Was he there with a partner? 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.200 No, he was there. I mean he might have wanted 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:52.640 to have sex, to be honest. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.280 But wow, so you are fully teasing this poor introverted, 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.640 single bachelor businessman who is there. He's like, all I 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.040 want is like some hot young guy with a mustache 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.880 to like, come and be my you know, be my 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:10.040 one final my one final swing before I finally die 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.600 of old age. And then you come up to him, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:14.320 you say, oh, do you want to be baby? He 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.400 he he here my balls. And then he's like, finally 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.520 my dreams are coming true. You take him up, you 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.640 humiliate him in front of everyone. You're literally doing like 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.200 a humiliation ritual, even in front of your drunk New York, 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.560 cool New York friends, and you put him down and 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.280 say that's enough, grandpa, and then you go to your room. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.279 No, I think he had the time of his life. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.520 And I really made me be like damn, it was 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.719 an amazing feeling of like gay guys are so crazy, 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.720 like the fact that I'm essentially picking up my dad 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:50.640 like like this is so weird, and and like to 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:54.080 hold a naked man in the water is so like 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.320 what are we doing? Like it's literally like, what is this? 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.279 I was blown away by the whole experience and the 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:01.719 old The next day I woke up and I was 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.200 like half then to see him again and just be 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:09.560 like hi, like and he was like hi. It was 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.440 really really more intimate than if we had hooked up. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.440 Oh yes I would. I would say picking someone up, 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.520 swimming around with him and then putting him back down 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.960 is one hundred percent more intimate than hooking up. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:26.000 So you know, anybody out there, if you're ever out 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.400 of pool and really want to shake things up, start 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:30.839 carrying people like baby. 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.880 I think you'll have a last It's very sweet. Yeah, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.080 so I want to go on vacation. You deserve it, 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:38.880 but don't I literally deserve it. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:43.600 I will say, we need to talk. The pr around 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:47.799 Palm Springs is too good, Like this place is flop. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:48.479 Yeah. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.800 I've always sort of suspected that it's so weird and 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.599 people are like, oh, it's just like West Coast Fire Island. 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:53.080 No, it's not. 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.839 What are you talking about? Do you hear yourself? It 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:56.640 makes no sense. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.680 It has always rereaked of desperation to me. I'm sorry. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.159 To say, yeah, it's just not right. And it's like, 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.320 so you're in a pool, like there also have all 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.680 these rules about being really quiet, Like so all the 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.280 music is really quiet everywhere you go, and everyone's like 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.280 like if you're in a house, they'll call the police 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.760 on you if your music is like audible from the 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.000 other houses. It's like, what is this. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.400 Here's what I think about Palm Springs. I sort of 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:25.159 think pomp Springs. It's like, what if Debaucher's gay men 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:30.320 became wasps in Connecticut. Like it's like the ethos is 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.400 very uh, sort of nimby, but then you are, but 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.839 then you are in a gay destination with palm trees, 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:39.680 which makes it worse because I'm like, well, if I'm 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.760 gonna be wasp nimbi, uh, you know, woman named Carol 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.480 and her mother Muffy, Like, at least let's be in Connecticut. 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:49.919 Let's have like a dry steak, you know, let's go 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.200 all the way. But if you're gonna, you know, tease 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.440 me with the promise of sexual debauchery and the pool 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.760 and picking people up, then at least, like, let's go there. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:05.200 I was genuinely surprised at how unsexual the whole place 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.919 was I've never been in a place like catered to 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.200 gay men. That was this unsexual, Like I'm actually kind 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.560 of blown away by it, and something's in the air there. 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.160 Yeah, Well, did you ultimately have a good time? 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:23.560 It was fine. Ultimately it was fine. I read my book, 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:25.600 you know, I learned a lot about taxes. 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.240 Are you still reading? Uh? 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.160 Still? I mean it was a damn week ago. 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.040 Wait, you're reading uh didion? Or no? 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.720 No? No, no, no, I'm reading our dear friend Dan 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:38.560 dea Dario's book. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.840 Oh oh that's right, then, I take back the still 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:42.760 did you finish it? 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:43.520 No? 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:45.560 Oh, my goal. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:50.400 I have a job, George, I have a job. Speaking 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:55.400 of job, oh job, let's being our guest. We have 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.400 the same job, but not right now, but not right now. 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.080 Wow, is such a good introw. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.480 Please him to the podcast. Kyler Higgley. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.400 Hello, great transition, guys. That was really seamless. That was 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.240 one of the most beautiful stories I've ever heard. Thank 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.400 you also as your coworker, It's so funny, dude, know 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.600 that you were just sort of babying a man. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:20.160 I saw the harassing a coworker. The story of you, 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:20.800 of what you. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.040 God we're not coworkers currently right this moment, right because 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:25.800 I'm allowed to say that. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.440 Yeah, now we can say whatever we want. Yeah, it's no, 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.000 it's it's inspiring, I would say. And I I also 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:34.720 feel like every time I see you outside of work, 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.800 I see a whole different side of you. You're a 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.240 different guy. Yeah, in and out of work. 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:40.959 It's definitely severing spot. 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.160 I need to I need to know what Sam is 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.040 like at an office job. It has always been because 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.320 I get peaks of it, you know, because obviously Sam 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.560 and I will be in that contract negotiation room, we'll 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.360 be talking to we'll be talking to bookers, we'll be 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.640 on on calls together, and I get a peak of it. 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.440 But I want to know what it's like at the 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:00.000 water coool. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.920 It's it's very much like I feel like Sam will 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:08.000 never fully tell you exactly what you like. Really feel 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.400 like there's there's a certain wall that's up that I 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.360 can tell that you're in a little bit of a 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:17.760 business mode, where like, I know you're going to now 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.120 go home and you know, carry around a fifty year 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.720 old man in the water like baby, But if you're 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.960 at work, you're not like this guy likes doing baby 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:26.440 with people. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.920 Yeah, no, that's true. I don't even think about the wall, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:31.840 but it's definitely it is. It's there. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.040 I feel it, probably because I sit next to you 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.040 or sat next to you and I felt the wall. 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:37.880 And we have a lot of fun and we riff 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:38.280 and whatever. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.640 But like you do have a yeah, you also have 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.719 if you don't mind me saying, sometimes Sam will get 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.640 panic in his eyes. Yeah, okay, do you know what 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:48.800 I mean, Skyler. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.280 Yes, there's a No, I've seen the panic. We've like 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:52.679 sometime through things. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.440 Yeah, it's like if and I actually I also have 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.200 a very bad poker face. So this is in no 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.320 way I'm not criticizing it. But sometimes if it's like 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.640 a social situation that is a little bit awkward or 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.760 it's unclear what the next step in an interaction is, 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.920 I'll look at Sam and he'll will truly look like 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.040 you know, Daniel Khalulia and get out. 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.000 Yeah this is my Sam dismount for any conversation that's awkward. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:24.280 Well, you know that's true. I've adopted Selave. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:26.200 Oh yeah, a lot. 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.599 Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Yeah. Do you think you have 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:31.959 a wall at work? No? 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.040 I think I have too little of a wall at work. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.600 I feel like I'm too much of just like whatever 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.040 I think I get. So I think I could be 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.320 a little bit more profound. I feel like I'm so 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.600 like amped up in like whatever, and I don't care 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.480 what I say to whoever, and then I feel like 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.680 that will get me in trouble. 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.160 Yeah, I think it's good, though it loosens everybody else. 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.280 Up right, But that's the That's the other thing is 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.480 because I know that everybody is sort of projecting this like, oh, 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.240 we're in a work environment thing. Oh and there's famous 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.360 people around, so I have to like try to be cool. 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:09.200 And I feel just generally this whole like apparatus that 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.880 we're in, be it Hollywood or industry or whatever, it 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.880 like forces you to sort of just be fake in 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.959 certain ways. And I just want to be like, hey, everybody, 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.480 like we're you know, we're chilling. I'll say things in 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.920 meetings that people are like, I can't believe you said 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.840 that in the meeting, and I'm like, well, what like 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.320 we were thinking it. We don't care. I don't what's 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.720 the problem we are. I'm a comedy writer, you know 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:32.640 what you hired me for. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.200 I'm always like doing math of like should I speak up, 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.120 Like is it like worth it to speak up about 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.840 this thing I disagree with? And then usually I'm like, no. 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.120 You're right. I mean, yeah, I don't have that calculus, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:46.960 and I just kind of say whatever, and I should 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.160 be a lot better about just, you know, guarding myself 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.160 because you never know who really hates you. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:57.000 Yeah, but M say lovey. 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.320 There's a sort of currentcy like when I'm at a 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.960 non When I have a non comedy job, like you know, 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.320 an office job, the best thing you can be is 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.040 like the funny one, the class clown named that office. 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.240 But when you have a comedy job, it's almost like 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.480 the way to say yourself apart as being the professional one. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.199 And everyone's like wow, he's like really like put together 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.120 in this like sea of clowns. 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:23.360 It's true. 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.360 That's actually I feel like I'm I every writing job 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.760 that I've had, it's sort of like I'm actually much 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.720 more rewarded when I act normal because people are like 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.720 grateful that someone is being the adult in the room, 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.040 whereas when I have a non comedy job, everyone's like, 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:41.559 George is crazy. He changed the slack avatar to Amelia Perez. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.160 Oh you know, those slack bits really hit with you know, 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:47.240 office talk. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.560 About a straight topic. Actually, this is something I need 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.680 to really like go along on. Yeah, but slack bits 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.520 like when someone says one mildly thing on a slack, 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.120 mildly funny thing on a slack and then it is 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.040 a full forty five minutes of people just posting cry 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.800 laughing emoji and then like one like tiny yes, and 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.040 it's like someone will be like, ugh, lunch ran long today, 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.160 and then someone will be like what is this Italy 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.079 And then someone's like, oh my god, Mama Mia, and 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.160 then someone is like missus signor, and then everyone is 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.480 just like commenting with like Italian flags and like crying 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.400 laughing emoji. And then everyone at the end of the 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:21.920 week has a meeting where they're like, what were the 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:23.880 best things that happened this week? And someone's like, well, 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.240 when George said that thing about Italy, that was so 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.840 great for morale, and everyone's like, you know, we should 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:32.120 maybe do an Italy themed birthday for Marcia, whose birthday 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.400 is next week. And everyone's like, oh my god, that's 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.720 such a good IDEA Italian fla, Italian fla crying emojic 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:37.319 crying emoji. 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.520 Yeah. I when I worked in the Onion, we had 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.240 slack and I did this thing where I changed my 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.199 avatar to the CEO who we all hated, Jim Spamfeller. 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:46.679 I'll say it publicly, we all hated him. 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.400 Oh my god, the worst. 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.640 He's a really bad guy. I changed my profile picture 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.640 to him, and like my name to his, and I 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.440 would just like start dming people that they were fired 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:02.120 and even would check in my freak. I'm just like 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.360 and people are like, you can't be cause they you know, 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.680 your boss is for everybody out there who uses slack, 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.400 your bosses can see it. People probably know that, and 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.680 they're like, you could get in trouble for this, And 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.680 then I'm like, yeah, but there's no way anybody really 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.920 cares that much. And also if I do whatever, I 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.560 kind of have that feel because it's like my aspiration 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.680 is to not ever have a job, even though I 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.280 always want money, but like, oh yeah, freedom sounds so awful. 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:29.160 Yeah. 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.160 I think the secret is consistency. I think if you're like, 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.720 if your sort of thing is that you know, you 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.280 like doing like trollish slack bits and everything, people like 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:40.880 get used to that and then they're like, oh, that's 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:45.040 classic Skyler. The issue is if Sam or I one 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.120 day wake up and do that right without having set 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.000 the expectations that like that's our vibe. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.280 It would simply not go. Well, I'm not I cannot 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.720 do a prank in any way, shape or form. Wow, 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.640 which is weird. There's almost a part of me now 0:14:58.640 --> 0:14:59.920 where I'm like, I do see. 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.520 The jo it's fun. It's fun if you don't, if 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.520 you're not like genuinely Also, people have to know that 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.440 you have a good heart about it and it comes 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.000 from a good place and you're not like really gonna 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.520 hurt anybody's feelings. So there's a lot like I don't 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.320 consider myself a prank guy, quote unquote, but I do 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:22.560 like introducing chaos to what could otherwise be monotony. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:24.560 Yeah, no, I get that. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:29.160 Yeah, you also want to project a little bit of 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.720 fear around you, a little bit, just so people aren't 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:37.160 entirely sure what you're gonna do or say you. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:38.280 Heard it here first, folks. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:42.280 Project that's my advice anybody who's trying to break into 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:43.120 the industry. 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.120 Make people fear you fear. I do think. 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:47.800 I think my version of that is like in a 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.880 social setting, I will suddenly say something incredibly like biting 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.400 about a mutual friend, just like I'll just be like, 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.720 we love that she's always struck me as pretty stupid, 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.720 and then everyone will be like really taken. 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:05.240 Aback, Yeah, yeah, it's tough. I'm actually not thinking about 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.080 the wall again, and I'm like, I'm surprised because like 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.920 when I'm in a like non comedy job, the wall 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.080 is crazy. Like I almost go into those and be like, 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.960 how can I like literally not let them know a 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.320 single thing about me? Like almost like a challenge. 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.800 It's true. No, it's true. I mean at a non 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.080 comedy job, I will do minimal work and not care 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.120 about anything, and I don't care if you like me 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.840 or not, Like it's I'm not enjoying my time. And 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.600 so I like will be like, well, whatever, I'm a 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.400 I'm a bad employee here because this means absolutely nothing. 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.160 I worked this shipping job where they were like it 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.960 was all just numbers and I was data refining like severance, 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.080 and I was like, oh, I don't I have I 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.200 don't care at all. How could you make me care 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.560 about this? This is just a waste of everybody's time. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.640 I've had two jobs where I was closeted at because 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.680 I was like, well, what if they just don't need 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:54.080 to know. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.960 When when you say closeted, you are you actively talking 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.160 about like having a girl friend or just not mentioned not. 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.400 Talking about anything about it. Yeah, and like so one 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.280 of them was like the moving job. I was at 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.080 this moving company that a lot of comedians in New 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.000 York work at, and like but like comedians that don't 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:17.560 know me, like you know what I mean, right, and so, 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.960 and it was like either comedians or like psychopaths, and 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:26.560 they were all like real horny, straight guys like like 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.840 and like always being like nice, like wait, not just. 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.600 About what like if they're moving. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.520 Like an ass walking by, Yeah, okay. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.679 It'll be like look at that fucking ass. It's so 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:43.520 crazy actually, because yeah, I am there. I just don't 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.800 get why we need to sure you notice an ass. 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.359 I don't get why it needs to be communicated about 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:51.840 in such a way as is sort of absurd to me. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.520 No, the moving vibe, it was obviously it's like a 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.120 little it's very homo erotic because they're all getting each 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.399 other horny and being like I was fucking this girl 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.360 last night, and it was like fucking awesome, and like 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:03.240 this is like. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.360 You need to expand this character. 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.120 There's like the Glitterists and the Labia Majora and the Manora. 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:14.159 We all the parts, every part was working everything of 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:14.800 a straight guy. 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.360 Oh the Labia Minora. Yeah, dude. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.200 But they would literally do it all the time because 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:21.719 it was like the only way to pass the day. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:22.919 It was like, I guess we could make each other 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.560 horny by like, well. 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.600 Here's the other thing, though, is that actually, among a 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.720 group of straight movers, I think talking about women is 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.400 actually one of the few things that can connect everyone, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.080 because what are you gonna do, Like, you don't want 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.119 to bring up politics, you don't want to bring up 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:40.720 like what you're doing outside of work, you want to 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.560 bring up your family life. So I think it's actually 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.800 like it's like the equivalent of gay guys talking about 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.000 top forty music or. 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.880 Like yeah, drag race or something, or yes, I. 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:53.920 Actually drag race is too close to politics. Even I 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:54.480 would say. 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:56.879 Yeah, well, it did feel like Okay, I'm like in 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:58.840 their space and I don't want to be like I'm 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:02.360 actually gay, right, so I'd just be like yeah, look 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.520 at that, be like yeah, was. 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.959 There any ever, Was there ever any like hint of 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.120 anybody being like, hey, you don't seem to call out 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:13.159 the asses like we do. 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.080 There was never a call out like that because I 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:19.520 also was like very quiet and weird. Because I was 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.639 also a bad mover, Like it's not something I'm good at, 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:24.879 it's not in my skill set. I was always like 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.119 I can't lift really heavy things. I was like, I 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:31.800 can run. I'll run the stairs, like there's cardio. Does 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:35.600 that help? And then so I was like doing this. 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:37.359 I would bring the boxes up the stairs. I was like, 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.440 my my deal. But like they I treat I was 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.399 like very much like the dumb, weird boy. Okay, so 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:44.679 it was okay that I was quiet. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.680 They were like, I don't know what's going on with him. Yeah, 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:48.520 that guy does stairs and he doesn't like. 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:53.960 Ass essentially, and then it was always kind of hind 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:57.120 is Actually being quiet is one of the biggest kept secrets. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.199 Like I used to think that being quiet would make 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.560 people think I was weird or something. When you just 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:04.160 get used to someone being quiet, you're like, oh, he's 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:04.840 the quiet one. 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.120 Yeah, it's kind of awesome to be the quiet. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.120 One and you can go unnoticed so easily, Like it's 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:11.800 so much better than trying to fit in. 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.560 Also, when you're quiet, because my partner's very quiet in 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.040 social situations or can be, everybody gets to like project 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.000 their own thing onto you and will be like, oh 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.719 my god, that's sounds such a nice guy. He's just 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:27.119 so twiet and he you know, he likes birds and 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.159 you know he he grew up in Maine. It's just 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.439 like they'll just make up shit about you. Yeah, and 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.160 it's just like I haven't said any of this. You 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:38.359 just like filled what you assumed I was for no reason. 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:39.080 Yeah. 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.080 Also, I used to think my default used to be like, 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:43.960 oh someone's being quiet, they must be boring or have 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.000 nothing to say. I don't know, especially being in spaces 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.119 where in New York or whatever, where people are also 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.480 like dressed well and look cool. Like if someone like 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.280 that is being quiet, then I'm immediately like, oh, they 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:57.680 think I'm stupid, Like they they actually are so cool 0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:59.480 and sophisticated that they have nothing to say to me 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.160 because I'm such loser. So if you just like go 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:06.480 in quiet and smoldering, maybe with a nice jacket, you're set. 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:08.720 I always have to say, try to do that, and 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.119 I feel like it doesn't track like I'm Sometimes I 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.160 try to go like, oh, if I'm in a situation 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.000 where I feel uncomfortable or whatever, I try to go like, 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.679 I'll just be quiet and then I'll seem cool, and 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.520 I feel like it's not working and everybody can just 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.560 tell I'm like uncomfortable. 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:25.600 I'm not going. 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.160 Enough, you know what I mean, Like I haven't crossed 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.359 the threshold where I'm like, oh, people are just gonna 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:31.840 think I'm cool if I'm just not talking. But I 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:34.760 think everybody's detecting that I'm feeling social anxiety. 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.560 Yeah, I think you know. One thing that I was 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:42.600 surprised with about you is I feel like you're in 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.199 like life and and at work you're very You're like 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.080 you're talking a lot, you're big, And then I actually 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.280 think on stage you get like you do kind of 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:52.920 do like the cool quiet Oh wow. 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.600 Interesting, I feel like I'm I honestly it changes night tonight. 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:00.320 But well because on stage sometimes I'm like, oh, I'm 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:02.159 just like really tired because it will be the end 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.639 of the day. But like, yeah, I can play big 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.920 and small on stag. It just depends on the stage. 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:10.480 I guess because I was in Chicago over the weekend 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.359 a laugh actory, I was screaming, you know really yeah, 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:15.480 so it helps it's a big room. 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:19.040 Oh my god, there is nothing better than than going 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:22.280 big on, like if it's not your default, like sometimes 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:24.359 you're like, oh, this is my night. I'm really going 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:28.080 to become like you know Rory Scovell, right, like I'm 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:29.359 just going to start screaming. 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:31.680 Well, it's like, George, I love when you go into 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.560 accents or something like, I'm like, yeah, I love it 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:35.879 a character George. 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:40.480 Oh yeah, when I oh my god, yeah, I think Also, Sam, 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.080 what you're I think the time that you saw me 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.160 to a said it was literally two people in the audience. 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:48.720 Was that the only time I feel like in person, 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.359 I believe. I think it was just a two persons 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:54.880 the only time and we were and I was just like, oh, 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:55.880 I have nothing for. 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:57.160 These Well that was a nightmare. 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:00.560 Yeah, so I think that's what it was. I was like, Oh, 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.879 I don't really have I think that I'm always like 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.040 exactly what the energy of the crowd is. So if 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:07.919 they're well, you're a mirror, I'm a mirror. 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.720 I that we did a show where there were only 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:13.240 two people. 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.800 Yeah, it's fun really like actually two people. 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:17.520 Like actually two people. And it was actually one of 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.600 those things where I was like fuck this, Like I 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:22.760 was so mad and it was like a Sunday night. 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:25.280 Did you think they were maybe going to cant because 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.360 I get so angry when people don't cancel show. 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.240 I was so I was like, clearly this is canceled, this, 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:33.520 canceled this, and they were like, let's start whoo And 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:36.440 I was like, what year is it? What? How how 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:39.880 far we've come? And yet this is still happening sort. 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:41.720 Of sort of back down to earth in a it's 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:43.000 such a humbling city. 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:46.320 La, such a humbling city, Like I'm not a big deal. 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:48.919 But you know what though, that what you realize is 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:51.440 like that never ends. Like I have been on shows 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:55.560 with literal celebrities, you know that are like dropping in 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:57.760 or something, and they will perform in front of seven people. 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:00.359 It's and that actually is liberating to be like this 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:02.320 is not This doesn't mean I'm a loser. It just 0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:05.960 means I'm part I'm in community with you know, Jenny Garoppolo. 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:08.439 Right, It means that the whole this whole community and 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.639 everything that we do is for loser. 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:12.280 Exactly, yes, exactly exactly. 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.679 Well, I even I mean even our show. Sometimes I 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:20.200 see people come on that I'm like, you're like very successful, yeah, 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:24.000 and now we're making you do this yeah. 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:25.720 Oh yeah, And it's just like yeah, crawl on the 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:27.760 floor and bark like a dog and eat this like 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.679 slop from the ground. You know, fucking whoever is the 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:32.560 most famous person? 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:35.000 And I like say, I feel that way about literally 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:41.119 actors doing press, Like you're you're telling me Meryl Streep 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.000 still has to do a round table. 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:46.040 This is actually something that I've been thinking about a 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:49.240 lot lately, the idea that now if you if you 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:51.640 used to want to be famous, you'd have to go 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.520 on a show with a guy who was on cocaine 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:56.600 and he'd be a big band there and blah blah blah, 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:58.000 and you talk about your thing and you maybe do 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.600 a little bit or whatever. And now it's like, oh, 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.400 you want your movie to have press, you better eat 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:06.840 hot wings with the like you have to. It's all 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:10.359 this like crazy bullshit that nobody care. You're like, are 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:12.359 you gonna talk about the role at all? How did 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.520 you prepare? How do you get into character? It's like no, 0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:16.719 like I'm gonna throw hot wings at you and you 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:18.760 have to eat. It's insane. 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:20.880 No, I actually think it's one of the ways that 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.600 like comedy has one, but in a bad way. Every 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:32.080 single thing now is like retweet retweet, like everything is comedy. 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:36.120 Everything is like a sketch or a bit. 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.080 And even on top of that, alt comedy has one. 0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:41.560 Yes, old comedy has one, because you know, guess what's 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:45.239 completely all comedy making Viola Davis eat hot wings like that? 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:49.440 Is it the idea that she that that anyone has 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:49.919 to do that? 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:54.879 Well, it's it's of a larger, greater issue where every 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:58.119 like even you know, not to get too serious, but 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:01.200 like culture itself are pology takes itself, all of it 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:05.199 like nothing's taking itself seriously anymore. This whole country is 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:07.560 just like, yeah, we're just a big joke, doesn't matter. 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:12.000 Who cares said that doesn't matter. It's like, well, no, 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.240 you can't be you can't be comedy. We can be comedy. 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:18.920 We can't have everything be comedy because then nothing matters 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:19.240 at all. 0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:23.720 It's everything's irony pilled I, Georgia, are you watching the 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:27.199 season of drag Race? Yes, I want to explain so 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:30.919 There's this queen right now named Joella and she is 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:35.159 like really really not doing well, and but she is 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:38.080 so so confident and she keeps to literally tell other 0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:40.560 girls of their face like I hope you're not lipsticking 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:43.439 against me because I'm gonna fucking beat your ass and like, 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:47.440 but meanwhile, she's like can barely like dance or turn 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:49.920 or whatever. Like she told girls their talent was bad, 0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.680 but she did like the most basic like I'm the 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:55.479 queen I snatched the crown song you've ever heard, and 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:59.879 so I've like she makes me feel a rage that 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:03.879 is like unhealthy. And but I've been like going to 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.479 Reddit to be like, Okay, let's see, let's see what 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.000 other people are saying, can't do that, And people are like, 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:13.240 finally TV is back. What finally reality shows are reality 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:16.960 ing again? And I'm like, not everything's a bit oh right. 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:20.000 They're just like, oh, well, it's bad and it's good 0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:21.200 and I like that it's bad. 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:23.400 Yeah, it's bad and it's crazy and it's good TV. 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.960 And I'm like, it's not good TV, Like I mean 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.760 in the sense it's like comedic, but it's like these 0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.480 girls work their whole fucking lives to get here. This 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.200 is like their big moment. I don't know. It bums 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:36.640 me out in a weird way. I don't know. They 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:38.800 have that distance, like they're not real housewives. They're like 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:40.480 trying to do something. 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:43.240 They're trying to do. Wonder if it's like, is our 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:47.920 only form of resistance to be the most humorless version 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.640 of ourselves. It's like, if everything is a joke, then 0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:52.520 is the most radical thing you can do to like 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.800 wear a black turtleneck and a scarf and walk into 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.280 a room and be like, well, I thought that was absolute, 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:01.920 you know, I thought that production of the Seagull was 0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:02.800 middle brow direk. 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:09.000 Well, like, then you'll be Jeremy Strong and yeah. 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.760 But no, because Jeremy Strong, it becomes a meme. 0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:14.000 That's it, Jeremy that you can't you can't. 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:16.600 Yes, yeah, it like goes into the comedy machine and 0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:18.879 you're just spat out and you're a joke again. 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.840 Yeah, either either you're in control of the joke or 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:26.520 you're not. Like it's yeah, it's really it's it's fucked up. 0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:28.720 It's really impossible. 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:31.000 Because it's like because the way even like the literal 0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.120 like evil people that we have seen in the news lately, 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.359 we're like, are still just like, well, haha, it's ironic. 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:41.960 I don't know. I don't know. I was being random. 0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:44.160 It's like, yeah, what is that? 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.880 No, And and it's one thing to make those jokes 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:49.840 in public and to be like, okay, I'm trying to 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.200 you know, trying to get my reposts for the day, 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.080 but it actually has now I've internalized that mode so 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.920 much that I can't watch the inauguration without being like 0:28:58.040 --> 0:28:59.520 Millennia slaying with that hat. 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:00.960 Yeah, exactly. 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:04.640 It's not like I'm thinking, oh god, everything is so depressing, 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:06.720 how do I make it funny? And then I like 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:11.000 spit out some joke. It's like my default mode is 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:13.520 chicken chop date. 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:18.920 Right, It's like I'm not even internalizing anything emotionally. Yeah, 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.200 But then it's also then you feel then I feel 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.640 like a deep emptiness inside of me. And then and 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.080 then it's like, well, what am I then going to like, 0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:30.480 as you said, be serious, because that nobody likes that. 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.440 Everybody's like that's so annoying. And then everybody will be like, well, 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:37.120 that person thinks they're so self important and pretentious, and 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:40.560 I don't want that either, and I'm just trying to live. 0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:40.920 Man. 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:44.840 Wait, this is okay, this is exactly I'm realized. I'm 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:47.560 being the quiet kid on social media. Like I'm literally 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.680 I'm like being quiet, yeah, because I'm like, this is 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:56.040 this is too much like like everyone being super ironic 0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:59.680 and like gay guy about like serious things and everyone 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.480 being like really sincere about serious things. I'm like, both 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:03.320 are wrong? Right? 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:04.480 How do you do both? 0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:05.960 Yeah, I'll be quiet. 0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.400 I'm gonna start. I'm gonna take a video of myself 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.520 rolling my eyes and then saying shut up and just 0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:16.440 posted whenever I see anything on social media. 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:19.240 Like you, George. I know we can't necessarily get into it, 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:23.360 but you had a screed this week that was so juicy. 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:24.320 What was my screed? 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.760 When you posted about like everyone sharing misinformation. 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.720 And oh god, moment of weakness. 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.600 It was so good. Actually, I was glad. 0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:34.000 I want everyone to know I am on the verge 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:35.800 of posting a screen every moment of my life. 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:36.200 I am. 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.240 I am in manifesto mode and everyone is lucky that 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:41.280 I have some level of self control and I only 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:42.080 do it once a year. 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:43.360 George, I feel. 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.640 You so much, man, everything No, Like it's crazy how 0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:51.320 I feel like a like you know, like a guy 0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.720 and like the basement watching everyone and be like a 0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:57.080 voiceover of American Cycle or something and just being. 0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.640 Like these people walking around me like don't know anything. 0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:02.000 Like that's how I feel every day. 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:03.840 You always have to be like, let me ask you, 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:05.960 do you feel unknowable to your fellow man? 0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:06.400 Yes? 0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.120 Yeah, and guess what they are unknoble to me? 0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:13.840 Mmm. 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.720 I'm literally like how you see you interact with someone 0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:19.840 in real life and you're like we're friends, I've known 0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:22.360 you forever, blah blah, and then it's like, wait a minute, 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:26.800 you fel for you know, like what the essentially what 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:29.760 is the equivalent of like a viral post. That's like 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:32.640 if I post this, I don't grant Mark Zuckerberg so 0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.520 to my face, and this is happening just like on 0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.280 a daily basis, and I just have to like scroll 0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:39.880 past that and be like, hey, like want to get 0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:42.000 a drink later. Meanwhile, I know that this person is 0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:43.480 a complete moron. 0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:46.160 Right, oh god, But then just stay engaged with it 0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:49.240 because I have, you know, we have internet job, and 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.800 I also am just addicted to Twitter and stuff. To 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.120 stay engaged with it. You go, well, this is bad 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.000 for me, so I should be off of it. And 0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.959 then also you go, yeah, it's bad whatever on an 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.320 individual level, but this is what is happening with everybody. 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:04.680 So what am I supposed to do? Just be like, oh, 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:06.880 well I don't engage with that. I don't care whatever. 0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:10.280 It's like, Well, it doesn't matter whether you do or don't. 0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:14.000 Culture is still like devolving anyway, and you can just 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.040 be not aware of it and you're still going down 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:20.080 that toilet train. Man, I am so fun to hang 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.360 out with, such a fun conversation. 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.120 It's awesome, George. I just have to say the sentence 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:27.920 where you were like, you're in your thirties, like you 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.880 are not young enough to like be stupid and you're 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:33.200 not old enough to be stupid about the Internet, Like. 0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.120 Well I did say sorry, I do stand by this. 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.000 I'm like, no, if you're in your if you're like 0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:42.840 let's say twenty seven through forty, okay, you are like 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.120 at this point you should know how the media ecosystem works, 0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.480 Like you are not eighteen who like you know, is 0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:51.440 like grew up with it, you know, grew up with 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.680 it and doesn't know any different and can't remember newspapers 0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:57.880 and you're also not like a boomer who is confused 0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.600 by it all because it's so new, Like, how how 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.520 have you not developed media literacy? How do you literally see? 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:07.360 I mean like a post that is and a not 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.280 the one that I sent you Sam, that's like about 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:11.480 the air quality in LA And it's a post that 0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:15.760 is an anonymous text message where someone is saying lung 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:18.880 doctors I know are saying you should do this, like 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:22.400 lung doctors. You are someone with a bachelor's degree. 0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:26.040 Lung doctors, you know. And the way that this image 0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:28.960 like deteriorated as it got screenshotted in share and it's. 0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:32.160 Like, what are we doing? Yeah, that was fucking crazy. 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.560 One time my friend shared a post the same thing 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.160 that was one of these you know, that sort of 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:42.200 holistic to alt right pipeline that's like, oh, we're so 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.840 the rfk's of he's the king of these people. 0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:45.400 Yeah. 0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:49.200 My friends one time shared a post that, uh was 0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.560 like things that they that hurt your body that they 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:54.080 like don't want you to know about, and it was 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:58.800 just like, you know, uh, prescription medications, Uh, you know, 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.600 fast food is like a long list of actual stuff 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.280 and then in like sort of close to the bottom 0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:08.120 of the list. One of them was legitimately feminism was 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:11.080 one of the things, and this is this was a 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:15.640 feminist person that like it, believes like just shared it 0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:20.680 and I replied being like feminism WT Like what the fuck? 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.399 She was like, Oh, I didn't read the whole thing. 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:29.040 And I'm like, oh my god, and I love I. 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.359 Love her very much, but I'm also like, what are you? 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:33.120 What is going on? 0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:34.960 We gotta do better. 0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.799 This is cut. Well, here's the Okay, we do need 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:40.680 to I want to do our first segment. I want 0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:42.440 to get into your topic. But yeah, one last thing 0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:44.319 I want to say. I was talking to Sam about this, Like, 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.200 I think a lot of this boils down to people 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.440 thinking everything needs to be done publicly. It's like you 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:54.360 can read something and then not also tell everyone you 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.840 read it. We read things all the time. I consume 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.920 things all the time. I consume TV shows, books, articles, whatever. 0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.359 Just because you read something doesn't mean you then have 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:06.240 to repost it, right, Yeah, if you're a little unsure 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:07.520 about it, just take a beat. 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:08.560 Take a beat. 0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.440 There is this idea that like something is more legitimate 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.320 or real if it's done in public, whether it's reading, learning, 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:18.520 having a conversation like shouting at a friend. It's just 0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.239 like it's fine to not ever to not have everything be. 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:25.040 In public, right, I mean, and obviously like it makes 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.520 it less legitimate, right because it's like, yes, well you're 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:28.360 also performing it. 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:29.880 Yeah, I'm right exactly. 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.200 Oh well we took down culture. Wow, that was easy. 0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:34.839 We fixed it. 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:35.960 That was awesome. 0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:36.680 That's what we do. 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:37.879 See you in twenty twenty eight. 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:46.840 Okay, let's sar our first segment, Scyla. Our first segment 0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:49.040 is called Straight Shooters, and in this segment, we're going 0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:50.719 to ask you a serious of rapid fire questions to 0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:53.759 gage your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture. It's 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:55.719 baically this thing or this other thing. And the only 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:57.840 rule is you can't ask a single follow up question 0:35:58.320 --> 0:35:59.880 or we will post about it. 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.080 Okay, I agree to your terms. 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:12.399 Okay, Skyler a novella or a Nobella Peace Prize, Nobella Pie. 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:18.479 Guitar Hero or Inbox zero Guitar Hero. 0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:24.120 Okay, y'all you guys, folks or comrades. 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:28.280 Comrades, the US open or the UPS is closed. 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:34.040 UPS is closed. Luca Guadanino or San Pellegrino. 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:35.759 San pellogrino, because I don't know what the first one was. 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:39.560 Oh wow, let's return to we're returning to this. Yeah, 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:40.120 circle back. 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:44.080 French kiss or the stench of piss French kiss? 0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:48.919 Wow, Okay, sipping lacroix, or kissing a boy, kissing a boy? 0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:49.520 There you go. 0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.640 My book is out in paperback. Or my tooth is 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:53.800 full of dental plaque. 0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:58.920 Oh god, my tooth is full of dental plaque. 0:36:59.160 --> 0:36:59.600 Wow. 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:01.799 Yeah. 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:03.400 Well, we rate our guests on a skill of one 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:05.480 to one thousand doves. And I think there was a 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:08.000 real confidence. And it's your first time on the podcast, 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:12.280 and and yet you were considering, you weren't just guessing blindly. 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:14.480 I'm gonna go nine hundred and twelve duves. 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:14.920 Wow. 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:16.760 Nice. Almost nine to eleven. 0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:17.720 Damn. 0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:18.720 I know you would have really. 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:20.239 Liked I really would have loved it. It was nine 0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:21.960 to eleven. But that's okay. No, it's like one more. 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:22.759 It's like the day after. 0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:26.279 So he loves nine to eleven, Georgia. I don't know that. 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.479 Is this like to say more? 0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:31.799 I love nine eleven? I was you know, I was 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:32.320 in the tower. 0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:33.520 He was in the towers. 0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:34.400 Oh that's fun. 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.320 Yeah, he loves it. It's oh, let's spread that that 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:39.279 I was in the tower. Yeah, yeah, I could. I 0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:40.360 could probably tour off that. 0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.480 Who was that one guy who's the comedian Steve Steve? 0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:47.200 Yeah yeah, I don't know why he said. I would 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:48.800 have just kept at that point. 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.000 Oh keep it up. No one's back checking. 0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:55.560 I mean he's he's eating away at and whatever I 0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:56.400 have a question about. 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:57.640 I can't. 0:37:57.680 --> 0:37:59.120 I can't ask questions about the game. 0:37:59.320 --> 0:37:59.520 Yeah. 0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:03.840 Now, well, I feel like I got like blade runnered, 0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:08.840 like where I got intake form? Was this uh psychological 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:10.160 yes test? 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.800 Yeah, that's exactly what it is. It's sort of a test. 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:17.319 It's a test. It's sort of like only we know 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.359 what your answers say about you. We would never make 0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:25.080 that public. That would be against hippa. Okay, but it's 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:28.640 you know, it's sort of uh, you can't if you 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:30.200 think too hard about it, then you can't trust the 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:33.360 results anymore. It's like hitting your knee with that little 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.560 thing that the doctor has and then testing your reflexes. 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.439 Yeah. So if I feel like it was like a yeah, 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.880 a deep peek into my subconscious, but will never truly 0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:44.040 know what it means because it can't be translated into 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:45.880 note words that humans understand. 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:48.560 No correct, but people, people will see, people will see 0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:49.080 something in you. 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:50.200 You guys are doing big work here. 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:54.720 I'll say that, thank you. Should we get into. 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:56.480 The topic, George, I would, I would adore that. 0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:00.319 So, Skyler, you texted me this morning two topics, and 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:02.200 I don't know which one you've landed on or if 0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:04.439 there's a secret third one that you've changed your mind 0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.520 had gone to. But I would love to hear what 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:07.359 your topic is. 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.080 Okay, here's a secret third one that it's speaking to me. 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:11.840 The most hometown pride. 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:17.680 Ooh, I love that hometown pride and what speaks to 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:18.680 you as straight about that? 0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:23.800 I think that the idea of a great feeling about 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:27.879 your hometown or like a strong hometown pride, it feels 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:31.319 so for lack of a better term, normy pilled where 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:35.680 you don't have anything else to build your pride or 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.320 identity off of, or if it's like a big portion 0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:41.200 of your identity that's not from one of these cities 0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:43.320 that already have a big amount of pride, the Chicago, 0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:46.920 New York whatever I'm talking like anywhere else, it feels 0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:51.800 like very like a lot of people I think myself 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:55.959 included have certain traumas directly associated with where they're from, 0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.640 because it can be some like whatever place, and I 0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:03.479 feel hometown pride is just this like thing that sort 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:07.520 of means nothing and also feels a little like jingoistic 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:11.840 a little, and so it just feels very straight. It 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:15.239 just feels very like I have not actually made that 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:17.760 much analysis of why I feel the way I feel, 0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:22.080 and I just am gonna be into fucking you know wherever. 0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:24.879 Oh I'm from Boston, Okay. 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:29.360 Okay, Yeah, there is something where it like very quickly 0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:33.120 turns to anger or something that really defensive. 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:37.520 Yeaheah, you're not. I mean, obviously, people in big cities 0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:39.279 also have pride. I'm not saying if you're in New 0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:41.080 York or you don't say, like, I'm from New York. 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:45.640 But but there's something about the hometown pride of smaller 0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.840 places that is like you are ready to fight. 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:51.480 Right, Yeah, George, where are you from? Where'd you grow up? 0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:55.520 So I mostly it's I mostly grew up in Greece, 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:58.120 but then I spent seven years or like six and 0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:00.400 a half years in America in New Jersey and a 0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:04.400 very sort of like middle of the road suburbia in 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:08.000 New Jersey, and so hometop ride was always very interesting 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:10.040 to me because in my mind, I was like, Okay, well, 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:11.719 the years I spent in New Jersey, that could have 0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:15.279 literally been anywhere, like it had no defining elements. And 0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.279 then when we moved back to Greece when I was 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.120 in high school, and that was genuinely such a big 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.160 difference in my life, and I was speaking a different language, 0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:26.240 and I was so aware of like my Greek heritage everywhere, 0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:28.160 and it's drilled into you that we came from the 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.200 ancient Greeks and like modern democracy was invented in Greece 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:33.920 and blah blah blah. And so it was so shocking 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.120 to me when I moved back to America to see 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:40.440 people be proud of Wisconsin. No offense, but I was 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.040 just like, wait, But to me, I would never think 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:45.880 of if my two hometowns are Greece and New Jersey, 0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:50.520 Like New Jersey was just sort of like a waiting room, right, 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:51.799 you know what I mean? 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.080 No, exactly, It's well, and that's also you know, there's 0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:59.919 ethnic identity and ancient history involved in that and all of. 0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:01.680 This and by the way, being proud of being from 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:05.160 Greece is also reactionary and also quasi racist if done 0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:07.520 the wrong way. Like I'm not saying sure, like literally 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:10.920 being proud of like Greek statues and like the Adonis 0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.640 is you know, it's it's skip hopping a way to 0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:17.680 being all right, Like right, I get that. But there's 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.919 something about like, Okay, let's think of this one thing 0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:24.280 that I that is a completely random fact about myself 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.279 that it just so happened that this is where my 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.600 parents gave birth to me and have that be the 0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:32.280 number one thing about myself. That's almost like it's almost 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.080 like giving up before you can even make an effort 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:35.080 to do something right. 0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:39.240 Yeah, and you're Sam, You're from Misser. I moved around 0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:43.480 a lot, Okay, Michigan, like Virginia, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio. 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:45.600 Oh okay, so just Midwest generally. 0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:47.920 Yeah, I'm mid West generally with a little bit of Southern. 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:50.160 Do you feel pride? 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:56.160 Never? Because I moved so much that it was always 0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:58.960 like everywhere I went, people would be like, well, this 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:02.239 is how we do things, and I was like not everywhere, 0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:05.920 Like I like had too much, you know for a 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:08.600 small town in Indiana, I had too much global knowledge 0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:10.960 right where I was like, well, I've seen a place 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:14.719 with a mall in Virginia, and actually they like there 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:16.520 are whole new stories you haven't even heard of. 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:21.200 Right, everybody who lives in a place, they do think 0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:24.440 that that place is that They're like it's the best mall, 0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:28.640 like oh, we have the local joint, like, uh, Freddie's. 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.799 Oh my god, the food at Freddie's the best to 0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:35.640 sauce you've ever tasted. You go, there's a million Freddy's 0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:37.160 and you don't even know. 0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.719 I think also the moving Skyler is like part of 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:43.440 the wall where I like would go and be like 0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:46.200 because I was sort of taught like when you move, 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.319 you are wrong, like they are right, because you'll be 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.160 like that's not really how things work, and it's like no, no, no, 0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.520 they are right. You are joining their town. So I 0:43:55.560 --> 0:44:00.000 would be like sh like be quiet until you figure 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:02.319 what's going on, and then just sort of be like, yes, 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:05.600 I also love to go to that coffee shop right 0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.799 like after school or whatever. Like there was something about 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:10.600 like they are always in the right, the customer is 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:11.080 always right. 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:11.520 Right. 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:14.040 I also think it's like I know that people who 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:19.719 you know move somewhere as adults and then pretend they're 0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:21.480 from there get a bad rap, like it would be 0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:24.160 like me pretending I'm like a New Yorker and wearing 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:30.400 and being like so hometown pride on nine to eleven. Yeah, obviously, However, 0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:35.960 I actually think there's something too having hometown pride for 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:38.520 a place you actively chose to live in, because it 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:41.400 says more about your personality. Like I remember, after moving 0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:43.680 around as a kid, the first place I as an 0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.360 adult was the Bay Area, which I have no like 0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:51.040 personal connection to, but I did feel like it was 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:54.600 where I made my first like sort of chosen community 0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.880 is where I had my first like I really felt 0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:01.759 kind of like an ownership over the neighborhood. I lived 0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:03.719 in the places that I frequent in, the people that 0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:07.640 I knew, and so I felt like I was If 0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:09.440 I would ever were ever to, like, let's say, root 0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.880 for a sports team or something, I would much I 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.719 would be much more likely to root for like a 0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:17.520 San Francisco based team than like a New Jersey based one, 0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:19.359 because that was just where my parents happened to live 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.840 at the time. I was like happy to live in 0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:25.440 San Francisco. I chose it, and I liked it, so 0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:27.319 obviously I'm like more happy. 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.560 You're saying biological family versus chosen family. 0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:33.640 Yes, biological city and chosen city. I feel the same 0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:35.479 way about Chicago. I grew up in Salt Lake City. 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:38.880 I moved to Chicago. I have way way more pride 0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:42.880 for Chicago than I would of Salt Lake City because that, 0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:46.960 I mean cultural differences aside. I still I chose here, 0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:49.759 and I moved here at twenty and I became a 0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:53.359 person in this city, and it feels like a much 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:57.040 more real city where people are sort of intended to 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.560 live and try to be their own person, where like 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:03.400 where I grew up is just like this is what 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:05.759 is So it's the most this is what we do 0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.320 here city of anywhere in the United States. 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:10.640 I would say, yeah, you're also pointing to an important thing, 0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:13.560 which is like the idea of having hometown pride is 0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:17.440 almost like saying that was the real me there, and 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:20.520 so like that's it's like that those are my roots, 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:22.920 That's what I'm proud of. Whereas I'm like, no, this 0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:25.640 is the real me. I've worked very hard to pass 0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:28.480 as like normal in New York, Like you know what, 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:28.960 you know. 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:30.880 What I think it is too. I think it's also 0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:33.480 like the same thing of being like, well, I'm a 0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:36.719 Saveris and I'm a Taggart, like just like being all 0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:41.239 about like lineage, which is like, yeah, but you are 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.839 as an individual and now I'm thinking about it individualism 0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:46.880 versus collectivism and changing my tune a little bit, but 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:50.560 you as an individual, you as an individual, that doesn't 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:54.200 mean anything like being like what, this is what we've done, 0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:56.000 this is who we are, this is what I'm It's 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:58.520 like that is true on a certain level, but on 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:02.759 another level, it's just like you you are not a 0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:04.360 part of any of that that had nothing to do 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.440 with you. You're a result of it, and you can 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.080 acknowledge that, but it just you know, But I also 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:11.120 I don't care about family. I'm adopted, so I don't 0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:13.880 have any sort of I don't have any like specific 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:18.080 like oh my name, my family name, my blood whatever. 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:20.000 I don't give a fuck about any of that. 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:25.200 Yeah, I'm like, I think the weirdest something happens also 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:29.279 as you age that I've noticed among peers where it's 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:30.960 like even the people that were like I fucking hate 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:34.560 my hometown, like you give them like eight years and 0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:38.680 they're like I actually love this town in Michigan, and 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:40.640 they're like, actually, it's like a really nice place to 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.480 raise children, and it like becomes this thing where like, 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:45.520 don't get me wrong, like where my parents live in 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:47.480 Michigan now is very nice because it's like on the 0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:49.680 water and blah blah blah that you're like, oh, this 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.200 is cute and I see it now, but I still 0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:55.799 would never live there, Like I couldn't, Like what would 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:56.120 I do? 0:47:56.360 --> 0:48:00.520 Right, There's I mean, there's more to life we chased. 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.719 I think we're also I don't know, from being ostracized 0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:05.839 in one way or another, moving around or whatever. We're 0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:09.520 like chasing a certain high that you just cannot get 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:12.120 in Michigan on the lake unless you like jet ski 0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:12.960 a lot or something. 0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:17.719 Yeah, it's tough. I don't know, George, how do you 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:18.359 feel about that? 0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:22.719 No, it's I'm I was struck by what Skyler said 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:27.200 about like individualism versus collectivism, because I do agree that 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:30.520 that that sort of complicates the argument that we're making, 0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:35.160 right that it's like, well, yes, we can't completely leave 0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:38.880 behind who we are and only be this like you 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:44.279 know the architect in the fountain Head, Like, yes, we 0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:46.560 are all part of the community we came from. We 0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.600 are all part of our family in some way. Everywhere 0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:55.480 we've lived like stays with us. So what So, okay, 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:58.960 what is the right amount to respect your past? That question? 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:04.200 It's like my main struggle in life. 0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:05.960 I was about to be like, it's what makes you you, 0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:10.279 but it's not. That's it's not, but it is. I 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:12.800 think like how happy you are at any given time 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:17.799 has to do largely with how you have chosen to 0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:21.200 incorporate your past with your present, because you can get 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:24.200 way caught up in like nostalgia of what has come before, 0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:29.400 or you can ignore it so much that you that 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:31.960 it's almost like a trauma that you've severed, and then 0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:36.200 you're being this like dead eyed, like forward looking person. 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.840 Well, I have a lot of thoughts about this because 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:42.000 I also think that this is sort of I think 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:45.600 the whole past present thing is is is sort of 0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:51.480 the definition of like what I have been creatively or whatever, 0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:53.880 because like you know, all my stand up is about 0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:57.759 mormonn adoption whatever, all that bullshit. So all of that 0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:01.200 I have very complicated feelings about and trauma around, and 0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:05.279 so you want to sort of like decry that and go, 0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:08.480 I'm not I'm not these things or whatever. I'm not 0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:11.719 fully defined by them. And at the same time, it's like, well, 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:16.800 if everything that I have done is either a reaction 0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:19.880 to this or not, either it is a reaction to this, 0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:25.319 So you have to respect the things that have defined you. 0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:28.720 But I also don't know if you get so bogged 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:30.560 down in them where it's just like I don't know. 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:32.399 You can only be who you are, and you can 0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:35.279 only be where you're from, and you can acknowledge that 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:37.320 you didn't have a choice in that and then take agency, 0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:40.640 But then also can't just be like fuck it, like 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.120 I don't give a shit about any of this. 0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:46.319 This is so like something about this is carry Bradshaw to. 0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:48.920 Me, there's something like really something about it is like 0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:51.120 we'll talk about someone who doesn't have a past, literally 0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:51.879 where is she from? 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:53.279 Meanwhile across town? 0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:55.480 Well, it's sort of like is it possible to have 0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:59.719 a future without a past? Like something so like is 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.040 it possible to look at where you've been from and 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:04.960 felt and feel nothing about it? Like can I ever 0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:05.680 forgive big? 0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:07.759 Yeah? 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:10.120 Well this is interesting though, like the idea of that 0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:12.840 there is being defined by your past in a hometown prideway. 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:15.719 And there's being defined by your past in a UH 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:19.799 resentment way, Yes, there are. It's you can also be 0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:24.160 so driven by your grievances about your past that that 0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:27.160 also defines you. And so is that. 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:28.680 Like? 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:34.240 Is that straight or gay? Also? And is being neutral 0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:36.680 about your path like like basically a rank from gata 0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:39.560 strait being attached to your past in a hometown prideway, 0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:42.279 being attached to your past in a resentment way, and 0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:44.959 having completely neutral feelings about your past in a Carrie 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:45.640 Bradshaw way. 0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:50.160 Well, obviously it's straight to care about like to love 0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:51.839 your past. Yes, it's gay to. 0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.680 Hate your past, to hate your past. And then neutral 0:51:54.760 --> 0:52:00.000 is by I've never met a by person who's neutral. 0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:07.120 I don't know if anyone is neutral. 0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:09.840 I guess neutral is the wrong word. I think I 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:13.680 mean more like acceptand no, it's no, it's the opposite 0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:16.719 of acceptance. It's like having a block, you know what 0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:19.120 I mean. I think that traumato. 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:22.360 I also think that is defined by like how much 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:26.520 did you, for lack of a better term, hate your past? 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:29.279 Which a lot of people I think go through this 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:33.759 life experiencing UH and they don't have any sort of 0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:36.279 resentment of where they're I've just been like saying on 0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:39.040 stage recently, like how is everybody's childhood good? 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:39.200 Bad? 0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:41.160 Or neutral? And a lot of people will just be 0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:45.440 like good. It's like, oh, yeah, so there's not when 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:50.400 there's not something to repel against in your hometown, Freddy's 0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:52.600 is the best place and you don't really need anything else. 0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:55.440 I think that it comes from a lack inside of 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.120 myself that I felt like I wanted to issue where 0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:01.640 I was at and get too. Not that that lack 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:04.360 was bad, but I did need to fulfill something. 0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:11.000 Yeah, it's it could have been tight to love the hometown. 0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:12.799 Could have been awesome. I think if we were, if 0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:15.200 we were all in our hometowns not talking about this 0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:18.719 at all, I bet there is and you know we're 0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:21.000 probably all you know in cells or whatever, but sure, 0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:24.040 I think maybe we're all a lot happier because we're 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:25.720 like a little dumber. 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.920 Little dumber, probably maybe got a little house. Yeah, who knows. 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:30.759 Not that you're dumb to love your hometown, but I 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:32.239 think a lot of the people who do love their 0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:35.399 hometown are pretty dumb. There is a correlation, right, They 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:36.880 like have an American flag up. 0:53:40.000 --> 0:53:42.560 I just want to say I actually I know that 0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:45.080 we're generally talking about like smaller towns, smaller cities, but 0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:47.440 I actually would extend that to people that are from 0:53:47.960 --> 0:53:49.959 i don't know, in New York or Los Angeles orch Icago. 0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:50.200 Yeah. 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:53.600 Well, like, I actually think it's equally annoying, if not 0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:56.239 more so, when someone you know grew up in the 0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:58.719 Upper West Side and is obsessed with being from New York. 0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:03.000 No, I'm like genuinely so jealous of those people in 0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:06.160 a way that is like kind of unhealthy, Like it's 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:08.600 almost being jealous of someone with like really rich parents. 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:11.080 Like I'm like, yeah, I'm so jealous that you got 0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:14.960 to like start fulfilled, like you get to love your 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:17.239 hometown and you get to be in New York City. Right, 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:18.480 I'm like that's not fair. 0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:22.680 But then a lot of those people, it's so difficult 0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:25.719 to satisfy them. Like I know so many people that 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:28.719 like I remember like going to college and being like 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:31.319 so enamored with being on a big campus and all 0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:32.640 this stuff. And then I would meet people that are 0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:35.120 from Manhattan and they're like, oh, this is just like 0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:37.239 my high school. Like wait, you know, like. 0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:41.640 Yeah, there's too much stimulus out the gate. But yeah, 0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:46.760 feel similar resentments. I just feel I'm so resentful sometimes 0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:49.680 of anybody who's not where I'm from, Like from where 0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:51.799 I'm from, where I go, like, you don't know what 0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:55.319 it was like, it's like so weird. That is indescribable 0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:57.839 until you go there and then go just like man, 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.239 just being from like oh from I'm from Chicago and 0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:04.960 everybody like goes there and loves it's just oh, sounds awesome. 0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:08.160 So much culture, you know, so many things, you're worldly 0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:11.719 without ever really trying. It's harder for people to be 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:15.440 like ignorant about the existence of other people. It's ultimately 0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:17.600 good to be exposed to a lot of people, and 0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:20.160 if you're not, it's very like what so that pride 0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:23.200 is at least warranted. But then it then it feels 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:26.319 like if you're prideful of those places, it kind of 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:28.440 feels like you're sort of flashing all the money that 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:31.640 you have in my face. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm 0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:33.279 from a great place and I love that. 0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:38.080 Yeah, and I'm cool and smart. Yeah yeah, It's like. 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:40.440 Well, right, I mean, hometown pride only works if you're 0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:42.319 at least the underdog. 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:45.560 Right, Yeah, I mean when people stay they're from LA. 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:49.240 Don't even get me started the way that I'm just like, okay, 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:52.560 so you have it all. Like like when especially when 0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:54.160 people are from LA and then go live in New 0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:55.640 York and they're like, god, I love New York And 0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:58.000 it's like, so you just like grew up sort of 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:01.839 like knowing about everything, having access to everything. Yeah, and 0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:04.560 now you still have access to Like I'm like, you. 0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:08.040 Have it all. Yeah, I don't know the people. I 0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:10.200 haven't even met that many people who are from LA. 0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:13.879 It seems very because everybody we know is from not here. 0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:18.319 It seems like a lot of those people then are like, yeah, 0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:19.960 I mean I didn't need to leave LA. This is 0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:23.080 where everybody ends up eventually, so we can all be 0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:27.319 set on fire. But like those people seem to like 0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:29.880 have want for nothing as much or just be like 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:34.399 I'm also thinking of like probably just rich people. That's 0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:38.200 everybody that I've met that is from LA was pretty rich. 0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:40.360 Sure. Oh that's so interesting. 0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:44.480 I've been surprised many times meeting people from especially when 0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:46.239 I was younger, because I met a bunch of people 0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:47.480 from LA when I was in college because I went 0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:51.000 to college in California and I initially would think, like, wait, 0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:53.120 why are you not like hiding Montag like, because in 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:55.720 my mind, everyone that's from LA is on the hills. 0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:59.280 And then you realize that, of course, as many viral 0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:02.200 Instagram posts have reminded us during the Wild Players, not 0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:05.200 everyone in LA is Heidi Montag. And I know so 0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:08.919 many people that are exceedingly normal slash middle class slash 0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:12.279 whatever that are from LA And it's actually jarring to 0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:14.479 you because then you actually meet someone who's rich from 0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:17.840 Dallas and they are so much more weird. Oh one 0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:19.320 of them who's like middle class from LA. 0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:20.560 No, that is true. 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:25.400 They don't know how to act a genuinely Yeah, damn. 0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:28.800 Me, I can't believe you. 0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:33.680 Brought up Dallas. It's not real. Shots fire. Now I 0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:36.080 feel like I also wasn't trying to claim that everybody 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:38.360 from LA is rich, obviously, I just feel like the 0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:42.560 pieces you were. No, I'm saying that everybody from LA 0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:44.880 is poor and they should get more rich. 0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:46.600 Everybody from LA is perfect. 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:50.720 That's literally true. Everybody from LA is perfect. 0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:52.840 No, let's be real, though, Let's be real. It's well 0:57:52.840 --> 0:57:55.320 like whatever, rich, poor, perfect, whatever, But everyone who is 0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:58.160 from LA is going to hell and we know now 0:57:58.520 --> 0:57:59.880 and we know that there. 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:01.880 Everyone from New York is going to heaven. 0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:10.320 Wow, I love that. Huh ah. 0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:14.040 Well, I mean sorry to bring up more serious things, 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:15.400 but there is you know. 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:16.800 I know this is such a serious day. 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:19.880 Hometown pride. I just want to say, like hometown pride 0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:23.560 taken to its extremes, white supremacy basics literally well literally, 0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:26.680 it's like that's where like you know, debates about the 0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:29.600 Confederate flag come from. It's the people being like, well 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:33.960 we think it's racist. No, we think it's just hometown pride. 0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:36.840 Well and even just like get out of my town, person, 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:41.480 I don't know, yeah exactly. It's very uh yeah. 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:45.080 It's I mean, it's identity built around like externalities that 0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:48.360 are then taken to the extreme where you don't consider 0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:51.240 that because you can be like, oh I am this, 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:55.160 and then when you push everything else away and being 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:57.560 like I am so, I am so that, I'm so 0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:01.520 happy to be that. Then it's like again like going 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:03.800 back to like not the individual thing where you're like, 0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:07.440 so you think you're this larger thing, but then you 0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:13.240 think everybody else outside of your collective isn't a part 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:16.320 of the collective. So It's like individuality in this way 0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:19.200 is good because then you can think of everybody as 0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:23.960 individuals instead of just your collective being the one individual 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:27.840 and everybody else part of an outgroup. It's tribal, makes sense. Yeah, 0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:30.200 it was a convoluted way to say tribal, isn't it. 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:32.960 And also, I mean, obviously sports fandom is part of 0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:36.680 this whatever. But then also being proud of famous people 0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:39.960 that are from where you are from. Yeah, I mean 0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:42.160 obviously when I was in New Jersey, like Bruce Springston 0:59:42.280 --> 0:59:44.200 was a huge presidence. So like, if you're from Minnesota, 0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:46.440 you think you have like a relationship with Prince. It's 0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:48.360 like not really. He probably would have found you like 0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:48.959 pretty boring. 0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:50.520 But at the same time you do. 0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:55.400 He's like, Prince could have walked where I walked. You 0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:58.360 don't understand, and that means something for some reason. 0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:01.760 Well, it's like it's almost like mass hysteria. Like everyone 1:00:01.880 --> 1:00:05.400 in Minnesota is like Prince's ours. So princes like played 1:00:05.520 --> 1:00:08.520 more and princes like posted more, and Prince is like 1:00:08.680 --> 1:00:10.680 just in the culture more. So you're like, I guess 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:12.880 I love Prince more, and you kind of do. 1:00:13.400 --> 1:00:16.840 But you're also you're also being like because he's from 1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:20.240 that same place. We're talking about that collective like identity thing. 1:00:20.400 --> 1:00:23.320 You go, well, that makes me part Prince, you know, 1:00:23.600 --> 1:00:25.800 if he's from the same place as me, Prince's part me. 1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:27.720 There's a tiny bit of me and Prince and a 1:00:27.800 --> 1:00:29.720 tiny little bit of Prince in me, and that makes 1:00:29.800 --> 1:00:32.640 me feel like I can somehow believe in myself more. 1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:35.840 I mean the way that will go as a hold 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:39.040 on Chicago, my needs to be Like when I lived 1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:41.520 in Chicago, I loved will Go more than I've loved 1:00:41.560 --> 1:00:42.520 anything in my life. 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:45.360 Yeah, and in a way that was like I look 1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:45.920 back on that and. 1:00:45.920 --> 1:00:47.800 I'm like, who was I Like, Don't get me wrong, 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:50.040 I still like it, but like I'm not like fucking 1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:53.200 crazy about it, right, Like I was like, you know, 1:00:53.320 --> 1:00:53.920 run me over with. 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:57.520 A truck, will go, like please, it's I mean anything 1:00:58.240 --> 1:01:00.680 like and especially because so much has come there, come 1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:03.000 from there, anything from there, people are gonna feel that 1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:06.200 way about the fact that Michael Jordan, like the the 1:01:06.480 --> 1:01:11.160 one city with the most pride got to have Michael Jordan. 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:14.000 It's like, come on, It's like giving a person that 1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:16.920 already has ADHD like a bunch of cocaine. 1:01:17.240 --> 1:01:20.080 You also can't help yourself, Like, for example, I had, 1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:22.880 I came up, I started comedy in Boston. It's not 1:01:23.000 --> 1:01:24.280 interesting why I was there. I just happen to be 1:01:24.280 --> 1:01:25.440 living there and I started comedy there. 1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:27.880 That sounds it's not interesting. 1:01:28.080 --> 1:01:30.040 I was Thered School. 1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:36.160 Okay, thank you, Sam, and I have no special I 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:39.640 don't know hometown pride for Boston, but when I hear 1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:43.160 another comedian started in Boston, I go wild. I'm like, oh, 1:01:43.280 --> 1:01:45.240 we are part of this. And that's actually a way 1:01:45.280 --> 1:01:49.160 in which hometown pride. Yes, it's biological family, but it 1:01:49.240 --> 1:01:51.920 also is chosen family because you think you're family members 1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:54.760 with Prince, Like, it's actually chosen family in this way 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:57.760 where you're all in a commune together raising your children together. 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:00.280 M Yeah, you know what I mean. 1:02:01.320 --> 1:02:03.919 I think there's also that comedian thing too, of like, yeah, 1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:05.920 we chose to do the same thing in the same place, 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:09.360 so we probably had And this is the good part 1:02:09.400 --> 1:02:13.760 about any group similar struggles. We can relate over this. 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:17.880 I'm probably traumatized by the similar things, and so you 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:22.000 can understand uniquely the contours of what my feelings are 1:02:22.480 --> 1:02:26.120 because you had that experience, and that is what everything 1:02:26.240 --> 1:02:29.400 creative we do writing or whatever is trying to get 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:33.120 to with other people. And then when somebody has that 1:02:33.240 --> 1:02:36.080 experience where it's like, well, if you have the same 1:02:36.160 --> 1:02:39.000 experience as me, I don't need to write a joke 1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:42.240 explaining what that experience is for you. You just are 1:02:42.680 --> 1:02:44.880 there with me. So like we don't even need that. 1:02:45.240 --> 1:02:48.920 So the connection that we are trying to make across 1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:52.920 humans and try to be less unknowable to our fellow 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:55.520 man is like already there. So you can be like, oh, yeah, 1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:58.560 same place, same people. So I might be coming around 1:02:58.640 --> 1:03:00.720 on hometown pride, but I am straight. 1:03:00.360 --> 1:03:04.000 So whatever. Yeah, No, there's well, and it's like our 1:03:04.040 --> 1:03:06.800 hometown pride is gay, like where we're like. 1:03:07.720 --> 1:03:08.680 It's just pride. 1:03:10.520 --> 1:03:13.440 Yeah, we've invented gay pride literally. 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:14.640 Because it's like where I'm not gonna be proud of 1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:16.360 where I'm from, I guess I would have gay pride. 1:03:16.880 --> 1:03:19.280 Well okay, but literally what you're saying, it's true. It's 1:03:19.360 --> 1:03:22.360 like any kind of cultural pride, like if we have 1:03:22.560 --> 1:03:25.320 pride in the fact that like like our Bruce Springsteen 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:28.440 is Judy Garland, like it's just because like she has 1:03:28.560 --> 1:03:33.000 been chosen as the saint literally the community and that's literally. 1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:34.760 Why like Stan culture fights so hard. 1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:39.040 Oh yeah wow, stand culture is just hometown pride for 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:42.080 people who are not from anywhere. 1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:45.120 Interesting, right, But I also think that pride without borders. 1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:48.320 Yeah wow wow, No, it's. 1:03:48.280 --> 1:03:51.160 I mean it is like this. I mean, the stand 1:03:51.200 --> 1:03:56.680 culture thing does speak to this natural craziness of defending 1:03:57.240 --> 1:04:00.439 something that is outside yourself, that's not you. You're building 1:04:00.480 --> 1:04:02.680 your identity around, and it feels like we can do 1:04:02.800 --> 1:04:05.560 that for anything. Where it's like the way the way 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:09.640 I see people go so hard for Nicki, like so hard, 1:04:11.160 --> 1:04:14.240 the most awful for Nicki Minach, who is not even 1:04:14.520 --> 1:04:18.280 for Nicki who had good hits for like a little 1:04:18.320 --> 1:04:25.400 bit of time a while ago. And I mean, bleep 1:04:25.480 --> 1:04:26.960 it out if the nicky stands are gonna come for 1:04:27.080 --> 1:04:30.360 me bar because I can't do but it's like insane 1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:33.080 to me that level. But like people will do that 1:04:33.280 --> 1:04:38.200 for that or like some town in Idaho. Yeah, but 1:04:38.240 --> 1:04:40.320 at least that's land. At least that's like property that 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:44.040 you can own. That's different. That's different, but it's like primordial. 1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:47.640 It's just weird like this, like this like self preservation 1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:51.360 has then inside like what we need to do has 1:04:51.480 --> 1:04:54.040 then turned into like I'm gonna get online and bully 1:04:54.200 --> 1:04:56.000 somebody for a K pop band. 1:04:56.760 --> 1:04:58.840 Yeah, yeah, this is why we need to make homes 1:04:58.840 --> 1:05:01.360 more affordable, because people just buy a home. They would 1:05:01.400 --> 1:05:03.840 defend that, and they wouldn't need to defend the humanas true. 1:05:05.560 --> 1:05:09.520 I know, it's almost like you're onto something. We take 1:05:09.640 --> 1:05:13.600 all the housing market back, and then stand culture goes away. 1:05:13.560 --> 1:05:16.320 Because we all have the need to defend. Unfortunately, humans 1:05:16.600 --> 1:05:17.360 have a military. 1:05:17.520 --> 1:05:21.640 No, yeah, it's a militaristic mindset. It's also an ego 1:05:21.720 --> 1:05:23.960 based mindset because I think every single thing you are 1:05:24.080 --> 1:05:26.720 quote proud of, it's almost like you are bringing it 1:05:26.800 --> 1:05:28.200 in and now this is part of me, and now 1:05:28.280 --> 1:05:29.600 this is part of me, and now this is part 1:05:29.600 --> 1:05:33.080 of me, and you're making yourself like bigger and it's 1:05:33.120 --> 1:05:36.240 all feeding into your ego, which then makes you feel 1:05:36.320 --> 1:05:39.880 more invincible and also more offended when someone you know 1:05:40.200 --> 1:05:41.120 attacks some part of you. 1:05:41.320 --> 1:05:43.960 It's so crazy the way I will get I don't 1:05:44.000 --> 1:05:45.840 do it anymore because I'm like kind of aware of it, 1:05:45.920 --> 1:05:48.760 but I feel when somebody really doesn't like something that 1:05:48.840 --> 1:05:51.440 I like and goes hard at it, and then I 1:05:51.520 --> 1:05:53.800 start being like, oh I guess I don't like that person. 1:05:54.040 --> 1:05:57.040 It's like, whoa wait a second, Like that's that's not 1:05:57.160 --> 1:05:59.280 a part of me. I just like it, and they 1:05:59.320 --> 1:06:00.919 hate it, and I go, well, I guess I don't 1:06:01.000 --> 1:06:03.160 like you. You hate Tyler the Creator. 1:06:03.200 --> 1:06:04.920 I hate you. I mean, I think it's a good 1:06:04.920 --> 1:06:06.280 way to sort of weed people out something. 1:06:06.320 --> 1:06:08.480 I mean, it's true, and it does work, but it 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:11.280 is strange because it's like, well, that's also a third 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:13.360 party that has nothing to do with us, really, so 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:14.520 what are we attaching to? 1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:21.520 Yeah, it's hard to tell. This sucks because I actually 1:06:21.560 --> 1:06:24.160 had a point and I lost it. And don't you 1:06:24.240 --> 1:06:26.440 hate that when you're podcasting and you forget what you're 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:26.880 gonna say. 1:06:27.120 --> 1:06:28.240 That's why I don't have a podcast. 1:06:28.440 --> 1:06:31.720 Damn. It really sucks because it was probably the smartest 1:06:31.840 --> 1:06:33.600 best point yet. 1:06:33.560 --> 1:06:35.360 You know, and I knew that. I knew you were 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:37.280 going to cap it off with like the smartest best point, 1:06:37.480 --> 1:06:38.600 because you always do that. 1:06:38.680 --> 1:06:41.240 Because you wait till the end for the best point. 1:06:41.160 --> 1:06:42.600 And then it sort of culminates. 1:06:42.640 --> 1:06:45.080 And yeah, you're like, I gotta we knew that was 1:06:45.160 --> 1:06:47.440 happening too, Scott. Scott. We were sort of being like 1:06:47.960 --> 1:06:50.000 hype meant we were like, all right, let's like keep 1:06:50.200 --> 1:06:52.640 this going and make no b Rade points back and forth, 1:06:52.680 --> 1:06:54.720 back and forth, and Sam is gonna come with the 1:06:54.800 --> 1:06:55.600 final home run. 1:06:55.920 --> 1:06:58.920 Yeah. So that's what's really complicated about it pretty much 1:06:59.040 --> 1:07:00.560 is because because it was going to be out of 1:07:00.600 --> 1:07:01.240 the park too. 1:07:02.520 --> 1:07:04.120 What would you say you have the most pride in? 1:07:04.280 --> 1:07:04.919 Is it just gay? 1:07:05.320 --> 1:07:05.760 Is it gay? 1:07:05.920 --> 1:07:10.760 I'm I'm genuinely asking you know about yourself. 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:13.160 I actually have the point go. This was part of 1:07:13.480 --> 1:07:15.320 kind of what was weird when the fires were happening 1:07:15.320 --> 1:07:17.880 and everyone was like, I fucking love this is my 1:07:17.960 --> 1:07:20.360 fucking city, because I was like, I actually don't have 1:07:20.400 --> 1:07:23.200 a connection to lay and yet I'm living here. And 1:07:23.320 --> 1:07:28.640 it's confusing as like because I can't be like, yeah, 1:07:28.920 --> 1:07:30.640 like we love you because I was like, well, I've 1:07:30.720 --> 1:07:33.080 spent the last year shit talking to La. It would 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:35.280 be so insane for me now to be like I stand. 1:07:35.520 --> 1:07:37.840 But it's also like don't burn down. Yeah I don't 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:41.440 need to burn down, and I don't yeah, yeah not, 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:41.919 I can't. 1:07:41.960 --> 1:07:43.560 It's like I can't talk shit even though I have 1:07:43.680 --> 1:07:46.640 been like now that's over, I'm not gonna If I'm 1:07:46.720 --> 1:07:51.320 being honest, I still don't love it, but I appreciate 1:07:51.440 --> 1:07:54.120 that people who do love it, and everybody should still 1:07:54.120 --> 1:07:57.600 have their houses. But it's still just kind of like, oh, 1:07:57.680 --> 1:07:59.320 I guess I'll just like sit back and then sort 1:07:59.360 --> 1:08:01.240 of just kind of post go fundmes or whatever. 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:04.520 It was really like, oh wow, eggs on my face. 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:06.400 Like the person that you've like shit talked for the 1:08:06.480 --> 1:08:09.000 last year get to hit by a car and you're like, 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:13.800 oh damn, my bad. Did not intend for that to happen. 1:08:14.200 --> 1:08:16.000 Well, it's just like I didn't. I didn't hate you 1:08:16.200 --> 1:08:18.439 like that, and I didn't think anything bad should happen. 1:08:18.479 --> 1:08:20.439 I just didn't, you know, like want to hang out. 1:08:20.880 --> 1:08:22.760 It's kind of like that i'd want you to die. 1:08:23.120 --> 1:08:25.360 Yeah, I didn't feel that way about it. 1:08:26.240 --> 1:08:28.680 But to answer your question, I think I feel it's 1:08:28.720 --> 1:08:31.519 somewhere between maybe a mixture of gay and New York. 1:08:31.720 --> 1:08:35.120 Okay, George, Yeah, I would say I mean I do 1:08:35.320 --> 1:08:43.240 think ultimately, almost in a sort of jokey ironic way, 1:08:43.320 --> 1:08:46.000 I do think it is I love talking about being Greek, 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:47.439 and it's like a fun thing to talk about, and 1:08:47.520 --> 1:08:50.800 it sets and it like it's fun to almost in 1:08:50.880 --> 1:08:52.400 the way that I feel like this would also be 1:08:52.439 --> 1:08:53.840 the case if I was like a Talian or something like. 1:08:53.960 --> 1:08:59.240 It's like, I am fully just like a white American person, 1:08:59.320 --> 1:09:00.680 So it's funny to pretend that I'm for. 1:09:01.880 --> 1:09:04.599 Well, you gotta like attach yourself to something like even 1:09:04.640 --> 1:09:08.280 if it's irony pilled you still, I mean, and to 1:09:08.400 --> 1:09:09.000 be fair. 1:09:08.920 --> 1:09:10.479 Like I do feel I mean, that is where I 1:09:10.520 --> 1:09:11.920 go home, that is where my family lives. Like I 1:09:12.000 --> 1:09:13.840 go there. It's like I do feel connected to it. 1:09:14.439 --> 1:09:17.240 But I certainly am not like or like I'm not 1:09:17.560 --> 1:09:21.000 an immigrant or like a foreign person in the way 1:09:21.040 --> 1:09:22.800 that like my parents were when they first moved here. 1:09:22.840 --> 1:09:25.640 Obviously it passes American, right, it almost feels like a 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:30.200 betrayal to use very like American humor to talk about 1:09:30.280 --> 1:09:31.720 how different I am and how Greek I am. 1:09:32.040 --> 1:09:36.360 Right, I feel that way. I feel like, yeah, you're 1:09:36.520 --> 1:09:37.680 sort of resisting the. 1:09:39.880 --> 1:09:40.080 Cause. 1:09:40.600 --> 1:09:43.320 To me, that sounds like you're heading off criticism that 1:09:43.680 --> 1:09:47.120 like nobody's making in your face. But you're thinking that like, okay, 1:09:47.200 --> 1:09:50.240 but Greek people would see it like this, And yet 1:09:50.560 --> 1:09:52.599 I know who I'm speaking to when I talk about 1:09:52.640 --> 1:09:55.720 this stuff, and I yeah, I feel the same way 1:09:55.760 --> 1:10:00.400 about being black obviously, just because it's like a yes, 1:10:00.479 --> 1:10:02.320 I am black and I was raised with that, but 1:10:02.520 --> 1:10:05.800 also like I was adopted and raised by white people, 1:10:05.880 --> 1:10:08.400 so it was always like an in like an all 1:10:08.439 --> 1:10:10.880 white place, so it was always a very outsider thing. 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:12.920 It wasn't as much of like, I'm black in a 1:10:12.960 --> 1:10:14.800 community of black people and all this stuff. It was 1:10:14.920 --> 1:10:19.040 very like this is sort of for the most of 1:10:19.120 --> 1:10:21.680 the time of problem. And I think I reacted to 1:10:21.760 --> 1:10:25.200 that as a kid and as a young adult, trying 1:10:25.280 --> 1:10:27.640 to sort of downplayed as much as possible or be 1:10:27.760 --> 1:10:31.320 tokenizer all this whatever, and then sort of realizing that, 1:10:32.040 --> 1:10:35.600 you know, I don't want to have that just be 1:10:35.640 --> 1:10:40.840 an accessory in this way, and having realized that and 1:10:41.640 --> 1:10:44.280 understood and respected my past have been like yes, I 1:10:44.400 --> 1:10:49.320 am different or whatever to a lot of different people. 1:10:49.800 --> 1:10:52.920 I feel like my pride sort of centers around like 1:10:53.680 --> 1:10:58.280 understanding who I am with regards to race and culture, 1:10:58.479 --> 1:11:02.000 and I'm like, yeah, I'm this and I have to 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:05.479 be this way. And I think that I understand all 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:08.800 the reactions to me from all these different kinds of people, 1:11:09.040 --> 1:11:11.320 and yet I still am myself. I feel like I 1:11:11.439 --> 1:11:14.800 have pride in my own blackness and the way I've 1:11:14.880 --> 1:11:18.200 understood it, and I feel the same way because it's like, well, no, 1:11:18.360 --> 1:11:22.519 I'm not exactly like whatever, but like you know, I'm 1:11:22.560 --> 1:11:24.400 aware of that and I accept that about myself, and 1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:25.920 I think it's good. I think it's okay to be 1:11:25.960 --> 1:11:26.800 prideful about stuff. 1:11:27.240 --> 1:11:31.360 Well, it's also it's interesting, like, obviously my experience is 1:11:31.400 --> 1:11:33.960 in no way directly related, but being proud of a 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:37.360 marker of difference rather than something that you are in community, 1:11:37.760 --> 1:11:40.800 rather than something that connects you to community is sort 1:11:40.840 --> 1:11:42.960 of an interesting point because I remember, like when we 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:46.040 lived in the States, I felt different because like my 1:11:46.160 --> 1:11:48.640 parents had accents, like they we didn't know a lot 1:11:48.720 --> 1:11:50.960 of things about American culture that everyone else around me 1:11:51.000 --> 1:11:53.280 and you or whatever. And then I thought that I 1:11:53.360 --> 1:11:55.400 would when we move back to Greece, that I would 1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:59.840 immediately feel an innate part of that community because so 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:02.200 far I had felt different. But in fact, then when 1:12:02.240 --> 1:12:04.200 we move back to Greece, I felt more American because 1:12:04.200 --> 1:12:07.000 all my references were American blah blah. So all of 1:12:07.080 --> 1:12:10.760 that is to say, to your point, the thing that, 1:12:11.320 --> 1:12:14.679 if anything is connected to any kind of natural pride 1:12:14.840 --> 1:12:17.640 was always like a marker of difference rather than a 1:12:17.760 --> 1:12:19.679 marker of like solidarity. 1:12:19.400 --> 1:12:22.200 Right, and you can still be in solidarity with people, 1:12:22.240 --> 1:12:26.000 but you also understand how much different you are in 1:12:27.439 --> 1:12:31.479 no matter where you go. And it can feel really 1:12:31.600 --> 1:12:34.840 bad sometimes. But I think because it is something that 1:12:34.920 --> 1:12:37.439 feels bad is something you have to accept about yourself 1:12:37.720 --> 1:12:41.800 and be prideful in. Otherwise I think that really sort 1:12:41.840 --> 1:12:44.160 of will ruin you emotionally. 1:12:44.720 --> 1:12:49.840 Yes, so amen, Amen, Well, I know. 1:12:49.920 --> 1:12:52.560 We should we do such a heavy episode. I know 1:12:52.800 --> 1:12:55.639 I'm silly, man. I want people to know that Stradio 1:12:55.680 --> 1:12:59.200 Lab listeners. I like jokes and I'm not always bringing 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:02.080 it down by talking about the differences between ourselves in 1:13:02.160 --> 1:13:03.160 the past and currently. 1:13:04.840 --> 1:13:07.760 I don't think. I think this was serious but not 1:13:07.960 --> 1:13:08.679 too serious. 1:13:08.960 --> 1:13:09.920 I completely agree. 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:11.879 I think this was a good level of serious. 1:13:12.920 --> 1:13:14.080 I should have gone with Parkour. 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:16.760 Wait, I do want to know what your other two 1:13:16.800 --> 1:13:17.680 were parkour and what. 1:13:17.760 --> 1:13:18.519 Else it was gonna be? 1:13:18.600 --> 1:13:19.679 Parkour cults. 1:13:20.160 --> 1:13:22.599 Oh, that's good, it is good parkour. 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:24.000 Parkour is really good. 1:13:24.040 --> 1:13:25.800 It's really juicy. Parker's juicy. 1:13:25.880 --> 1:13:27.000 But I don't have a lot to say about it. 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:28.360 You just feels it it. 1:13:29.120 --> 1:13:31.200 I actually have a lot to say about it, really, 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:35.960 I fully because you're a stairs guy, so you were 1:13:36.000 --> 1:13:39.040 always right, I'm doing the stairs. I'm doing all types 1:13:39.080 --> 1:13:41.719 of shit on those stairs. No. When I was in college, 1:13:41.800 --> 1:13:45.240 I took a documentary making class and like they were like, 1:13:45.320 --> 1:13:47.559 you got to make a documentary about something. I chose 1:13:47.880 --> 1:13:52.720 the Parkour Club. Wow. And I literally like followed the 1:13:52.800 --> 1:13:56.880 parkourp Club And it was so funny because they were 1:13:56.960 --> 1:14:00.519 like not real like but they were like, we're actually 1:14:00.560 --> 1:14:03.280 going to like this other college for like a parkour 1:14:03.800 --> 1:14:07.599 jam jam. And there were like multiple park Corps clubs 1:14:07.600 --> 1:14:10.040 from multiple colleges, and I was like, this is like 1:14:10.160 --> 1:14:13.040 one of the weirdest groups of people I've ever been around. 1:14:13.520 --> 1:14:14.400 They gotta be weird. 1:14:14.760 --> 1:14:18.320 And like, I made this documentary that was like obviously 1:14:18.439 --> 1:14:20.120 so embarrassing and I would love to be able to 1:14:20.160 --> 1:14:23.880 find it again. But the documentary teacher I saw him 1:14:23.960 --> 1:14:26.560 like a year later, and he was like, hey, like 1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:30.280 I actually love your park coor documentary. My two sons 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:33.439 watch it all the time, and it's like right because 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:36.400 they're like eight year old boys who just want to 1:14:36.439 --> 1:14:38.000 see a guy do a flip. 1:14:38.439 --> 1:14:41.519 Like it's so embarrassing. How cool I thought it was. 1:14:41.720 --> 1:14:44.400 It's like such a thing because you're like, is guys 1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:46.519 moving so cool? You're amazing, you can be. 1:14:47.640 --> 1:14:51.000 I've talked about the things. George and I talked about 1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:53.040 the siren song of men's wear and how it like 1:14:53.160 --> 1:14:55.720 calls to us even though we know it's unethical and 1:14:55.840 --> 1:14:57.880 we think of it sort of like how an evangelical 1:14:57.920 --> 1:15:03.200 thinks about porn. And that's kind of how the siren 1:15:03.280 --> 1:15:06.040 song of Parkour also does call. Like sometimes when the 1:15:06.080 --> 1:15:09.080 algorithm takes over, I will start getting a couple more 1:15:09.160 --> 1:15:10.280 Parkour clips in there. 1:15:10.439 --> 1:15:12.080 Yeah, well, I feel like it's bad. I feel like 1:15:12.160 --> 1:15:14.240 it was gone and I you know, I watch as 1:15:14.280 --> 1:15:16.120 a kid, and now I see Parkour videos sometimes and 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:18.280 I go, well, this is bad. That's actually kind of 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:20.280 how I knew Trump was gonna win because park park 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:20.920 four is back. 1:15:21.040 --> 1:15:23.479 That's what it is. I would rather watch Parkour videos 1:15:23.560 --> 1:15:25.280 than like most content that served of. 1:15:25.320 --> 1:15:27.960 Course at least amazing point. 1:15:28.120 --> 1:15:28.880 It's so cool. 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:31.960 But it's literally all I get is like, get drag 1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:34.680 QUI sorry, no offense to wow to talk about right 1:15:34.720 --> 1:15:36.080 wing I literally give me Parkour. 1:15:36.240 --> 1:15:39.200 Not okay, but drag Parkour. 1:15:39.880 --> 1:15:41.120 No, there we go. 1:15:42.000 --> 1:15:43.639 I'm the Parkour Queen of Pittsburgh. 1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:49.240 We are like two seasons away from that happening. 1:15:49.360 --> 1:15:52.960 Of course, everyone's desperate to find anything that makes them unique. 1:15:53.080 --> 1:15:58.240 That's a good one, Parkour, Queen of Pittsburgh. All right, 1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:01.639 should we do our first our final segments? Sam, Yeah, 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:09.080 it's our final segment, so Skyler. A final segment is 1:16:09.080 --> 1:16:11.439 called shout Outs, and in this segment we pay homage 1:16:11.479 --> 1:16:14.120 to the grand straight tradition of the radio shout out 1:16:14.800 --> 1:16:17.799 to anything that you are enjoying, people, places, things, ideas. 1:16:18.520 --> 1:16:20.519 Imagine two thousand and one, you're at TRL shouting out 1:16:20.520 --> 1:16:23.000 to your squad back home, but about anything that you like. 1:16:23.200 --> 1:16:26.439 George and I will go first, George, do you have one? 1:16:28.280 --> 1:16:30.560 I can think of one. I'm not gonna lie. I 1:16:30.600 --> 1:16:31.360 don't have one right now? 1:16:31.400 --> 1:16:34.360 Do you I have one? Okay, I will locked and 1:16:34.400 --> 1:16:35.040 loaded today. 1:16:35.240 --> 1:16:35.960 Okay, go go go. 1:16:36.560 --> 1:16:36.720 Um. 1:16:37.720 --> 1:16:39.760 Well, I actually have two, but I'm not sure which 1:16:39.840 --> 1:16:43.439 I'm going to land on. Okay, okay, whatever. This will 1:16:43.520 --> 1:16:44.920 not be topical by the time this comes out, and 1:16:44.960 --> 1:16:48.639 that's okay. What's up freaks, losers and perverts around the globe. 1:16:48.880 --> 1:16:51.519 I want to give a huge shout out to FKA Twigs. 1:16:51.920 --> 1:16:56.200 You sexual the album it came out just last night 1:16:56.280 --> 1:16:58.240 and I sat up and I listened to it, and 1:16:58.360 --> 1:17:01.000 I said, damn, this is fucking good start to finish. 1:17:01.439 --> 1:17:03.880 I think she's doing something very interesting where her look 1:17:03.920 --> 1:17:05.800 has never been weirder and her music has never been 1:17:05.840 --> 1:17:08.920 more accessible to me. It's actually very gaga to be like, 1:17:09.080 --> 1:17:11.519 look how weird I look, but look how normal I sound. 1:17:11.920 --> 1:17:13.880 And I think it's a fun thing for her. And 1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:16.560 there's a lot of stuff in there that George specifically, 1:17:16.920 --> 1:17:18.920 I think you would like. There's a lot of sort 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:22.040 of ray of light vibes, a lot of like interesting 1:17:22.800 --> 1:17:27.120 niche pop references that I'm like, oh, now, this is interesting. 1:17:27.640 --> 1:17:31.559 When a cool girl does cool pop music, you really 1:17:31.680 --> 1:17:35.080 do notice a difference. And I am so happy and 1:17:36.120 --> 1:17:38.800 it's you know, every year of my life, I feel 1:17:38.840 --> 1:17:40.920 like I'm just sort of I'm like, is this the 1:17:41.040 --> 1:17:43.320 year that I have nothing to find joy over? And 1:17:43.400 --> 1:17:46.360 then boom something else comes and I say, look at me, 1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:50.280 go I have reason to live. Thank you FK Twigs. 1:17:50.360 --> 1:17:52.200 I love you. Xoxo, Sam. 1:17:53.360 --> 1:17:55.960 Wow, that was great. I got a lot to say 1:17:55.960 --> 1:17:56.840 about FK Twigs. 1:17:57.040 --> 1:17:58.519 I was very blown away. 1:17:58.680 --> 1:18:01.960 Wow, I'm I'm really excited to listen. I sort of 1:18:02.000 --> 1:18:03.720 think she might be the only person that can save us, 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:05.400 I think, and not to. 1:18:05.439 --> 1:18:10.080 Pit women against each other, but sort of hearing it, 1:18:10.240 --> 1:18:13.640 I'm like, was the Brat thing like a psychosis? 1:18:13.800 --> 1:18:16.840 Like it wasn't mass well, you know, it's I listened 1:18:16.880 --> 1:18:19.800 to it now, honestly just started actually listening to it now, 1:18:19.840 --> 1:18:22.040 and I'm like, it's good, but it felt like so 1:18:22.439 --> 1:18:26.120 like it was again like with the culture and everything. 1:18:26.200 --> 1:18:29.160 It was so like this is what we are into. 1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:33.679 And there was where I started listening to it back 1:18:33.720 --> 1:18:37.600 then and I was just like okay, but like you 1:18:37.720 --> 1:18:40.439 with moving, I was like, I guess I'm just not 1:18:40.680 --> 1:18:44.639 gonna say anything because if I do, I'll be torn 1:18:44.720 --> 1:18:46.599 to shreds and then people will be like, well then 1:18:46.640 --> 1:18:49.120 what bullshit do you listen to? And I'll be like 1:18:49.520 --> 1:18:51.360 I don't know, I'm all over the place, and I 1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:52.120 don't want to do that. 1:18:52.439 --> 1:18:54.720 Yeah, I mean, I still don't get me wrong, I 1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:56.600 still love Brat, but there's something about this when I'm like, 1:18:56.680 --> 1:19:01.040 this is like it's matures. There's something really something to it. 1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:07.720 So George, yeah, what do you think? No, I. 1:19:10.320 --> 1:19:13.880 I do think unfortunately, even though we all I think 1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:16.240 we all earnestly did like Bratt, and I loved it. 1:19:16.320 --> 1:19:19.520 I'm on record, I still isn't to it. Whatever. Unfortunately, 1:19:19.560 --> 1:19:21.960 it got so big that when people do look back 1:19:22.040 --> 1:19:23.920 on it, they will look back on it with embarrassment 1:19:24.640 --> 1:19:26.519 in the way that we look back on like sorry, 1:19:26.600 --> 1:19:30.000 but like the Women's March, that's so truly I went 1:19:30.040 --> 1:19:32.840 to it, and I of course everyone needed to march, 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:36.640 and like, I don't regret being part of it, but 1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:38.679 you can't not look back on it and be embarrassed 1:19:38.720 --> 1:19:39.880 like it just that is how it is. 1:19:40.400 --> 1:19:42.439 I think you're one hundred percent right, because that is 1:19:42.600 --> 1:19:44.800 I liked it. But then I'm seeing tiktoks that are 1:19:44.960 --> 1:19:48.280 trying me crazy. They're like, quote unquote analyzing the songs 1:19:48.320 --> 1:19:50.160 and it's like, you are the dumbest person I've ever heard. 1:19:50.280 --> 1:19:52.479 Right now, I don't like it. I don't like all 1:19:52.479 --> 1:19:55.560 like that. There were two people dressed up as Apple's 1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:57.599 next to me at the fucking Sweat Tour. Good lord, 1:19:57.720 --> 1:19:58.400 I was furious. 1:19:58.600 --> 1:20:01.000 That's how I feel about Kendrick and Drake's whole beef. 1:20:01.120 --> 1:20:04.200 Now is I still get posts of people like talking 1:20:04.280 --> 1:20:07.400 about it in the terms of like, oh the battle 1:20:07.439 --> 1:20:10.400 and I'm like, that was Can we put it down? 1:20:10.840 --> 1:20:13.559 That was last year? You're still talking about Oh Drake's 1:20:13.600 --> 1:20:17.960 goof Yeah still, and I don't care anymore. That was 1:20:18.120 --> 1:20:22.000 fun for them. I don't care now. It's insane how 1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:25.200 much content I'm still getting about. Oh, you know the 1:20:25.640 --> 1:20:26.719 true hip hop heads. 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:27.960 No, I don't care. 1:20:28.400 --> 1:20:30.639 I'm not a true hip hop head and I liked 1:20:30.680 --> 1:20:31.400 it at the time. 1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:38.240 Enough of that, Damn. It's tough. Okay, George, whenever you're ready, Yes, yes, 1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:38.640 I will go. 1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:42.920 Okay, what's up, vientophiles and wine drinkers. I want to 1:20:42.920 --> 1:20:45.519 give a shout out to Lambrusco. First of all, let 1:20:45.560 --> 1:20:48.120 me just say I think Lambrusko is absolutely disgusting. But 1:20:48.240 --> 1:20:49.600 what I want to give a shout out to is 1:20:49.680 --> 1:20:53.160 the confidence with which it presents itself. And even though 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:54.640 I know that every time I have tasted it, I 1:20:54.720 --> 1:20:57.040 haven't liked it. You know you hear you say, Oh, 1:20:57.120 --> 1:20:58.800 sometimes I want to read wine. Sometimes I want to 1:20:58.840 --> 1:21:01.760 be cold, maybe a little maybe a little fizz. Oh 1:21:01.840 --> 1:21:03.320 that sounds kind of nice. Maybe I will get a 1:21:03.320 --> 1:21:05.720 glass Lambersco each time you want to send it back, 1:21:06.120 --> 1:21:08.519 And so I sort of I want to become the 1:21:08.600 --> 1:21:12.000 Lambrusco of you know, writer performers, where even if people 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:14.160 do not like what I'm offering, they say, oh, I 1:21:14.240 --> 1:21:16.479 wonder what that George has to say. And even if 1:21:16.560 --> 1:21:18.640 each time they keep coming back and keeping like that 1:21:18.760 --> 1:21:21.240 was honestly kind of a flop, they keep buying tickets. 1:21:21.400 --> 1:21:23.720 So I think we only need to adopt the Lambrusco mentality. 1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:26.000 It is much more about a about marketing than it 1:21:26.080 --> 1:21:28.200 is about the essence of it. I think I think 1:21:28.320 --> 1:21:31.719 Lambrusco is the defining drink of the of the Biden 1:21:31.800 --> 1:21:33.880 and second Trump era. We all need to channel our 1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:35.880 inner Lambrusko if we want to be famous in this 1:21:36.120 --> 1:21:39.800 crazy connected world. You guys, shout out to Lambrusco. 1:21:40.200 --> 1:21:40.920 Huge shout out. 1:21:41.000 --> 1:21:41.920 Whoa Wow. 1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:46.519 Okay Skyler, whenever you are ready, Okay, all right, I 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:47.680 have yeah, I have one. 1:21:49.439 --> 1:21:52.360 Shout out to those really big trucks, the Fords, the 1:21:52.560 --> 1:21:56.280 f four, fifties, one fifties, whatever is the huge trucks 1:21:56.320 --> 1:21:58.559 that the white guys with the Oakley's drive. Shout out 1:21:58.600 --> 1:22:01.160 to those, they're so big. I hope you finally feel 1:22:01.200 --> 1:22:04.160 secure in your masculinity from driving those. I hope that 1:22:04.360 --> 1:22:07.719 you find some sort of meaning in driving a truck 1:22:07.760 --> 1:22:10.000 where you're above everybody, can see everybody, And I hope 1:22:10.040 --> 1:22:12.080 it makes you feel safe. I hope you feel hugged 1:22:12.360 --> 1:22:15.439 and safe inside those huge, huge trucks because they guzzle 1:22:15.520 --> 1:22:17.800 so much gas and it's got to be so expensive 1:22:17.840 --> 1:22:20.719 for you. But what price is too much to feel 1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:23.639 like a real man? And I hope you enjoy driving 1:22:23.680 --> 1:22:25.760 that around and trying to park, and I hope it's 1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:27.519 all worth it, even though I know you don't have 1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:30.839 shit to haul. Shout out to those big old trucks. 1:22:31.200 --> 1:22:35.720 Whoo whoo damn, those trucks really are fucking big, so 1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:39.519 big talk about I mean, I hate to always be 1:22:39.600 --> 1:22:41.880 this person, but I'm like, when will the government step in? 1:22:43.640 --> 1:22:45.679 Never ban these fucking drugs. 1:22:45.720 --> 1:22:48.759 The trucks is like that's second underguns for like those people. 1:22:49.640 --> 1:22:51.480 They want them in those amendments. 1:22:51.600 --> 1:22:54.880 Because I love those like little old trucks. I'm like, oh, 1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:57.920 how cute. Yeah, But those big ones, I'm like, this 1:22:58.040 --> 1:22:59.439 is fucking huge. 1:23:00.240 --> 1:23:03.439 It's again hometown stuff. When I every time I visit, 1:23:03.640 --> 1:23:05.400 I will see because you don't really see them out 1:23:05.439 --> 1:23:07.200 you'll see them more out here. You don't see them 1:23:07.240 --> 1:23:09.479 in New York or Chicago or whatever. I go back 1:23:09.560 --> 1:23:12.360 to Salt Lake. They're huge. People are driving them around 1:23:12.360 --> 1:23:14.760 and they look almost like monster trucks, and you're like, 1:23:15.520 --> 1:23:18.439 why do you need to drive that? What is going on? 1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:20.680 I mean, I do the impression I get of Salt 1:23:20.720 --> 1:23:22.360 Lake City and I have never been there. Is there 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:25.479 is just so much space that people are like, what 1:23:25.600 --> 1:23:29.200 if we feel it? Like, it's just it's crazy. And 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:31.759 this is mostly from watching the Real Housewives. 1:23:31.800 --> 1:23:35.840 It's true, it's just it's it's really like weirdly like 1:23:35.960 --> 1:23:38.720 you know, obviously cultish, but like also like way more 1:23:38.800 --> 1:23:42.080 white trash than people think very much, because it's you know, 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:45.200 the American West shot out. 1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:48.000 Shout out to there too well S Tyler, thanks for 1:23:48.080 --> 1:23:49.400 doing the pod. This has been a real treat. 1:23:49.640 --> 1:23:52.840 Thanks for having me. Hope to see you guys again soon. 1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:54.840 Do you want to pluge anything? We're bad at that? 1:23:55.200 --> 1:23:59.479 Oh yeah, I'm doing a show at Union Hall on March. 1:24:00.000 --> 1:24:01.800 Hey, now our listeners know where that is. 1:24:01.920 --> 1:24:04.040 Y'all know where that is, so if you want to 1:24:04.080 --> 1:24:06.360 come and see me make jokes instead of really like 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:10.200 getting into it about our deep feelings about who we 1:24:10.320 --> 1:24:12.400 are in the world. Then come to that. 1:24:12.880 --> 1:24:16.160 Yeah, that's all I'm doing, PERF and watch after midnight. 1:24:16.200 --> 1:24:18.840 Why not watch after midnight on CBS and check out 1:24:18.880 --> 1:24:23.120 the Oscars. Check out the Oscars on ABC. They're gonna 1:24:23.120 --> 1:24:23.720 be so mad. 1:24:25.479 --> 1:24:29.240 But yeah, okay, bye bye. 1:24:29.479 --> 1:24:33.680 Podcast And now want more? 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