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Speaker 1: Okay, podcast starts. Now, what is up everyone around the globe.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Stradia Lab and I have a story

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Speaker 1: to tell. Georgia. Are you prepared for my story?

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Speaker 2: I am so prepared. You have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Because I have been sitting on the story in such

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Speaker 1: an insane way. You know. We went to San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: and I said.

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Speaker 2: We have talked multiple times in multiple cities, both virtually

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Speaker 2: and in person, and you keep being like, I went

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Speaker 2: to Palm Springs and I'm like, how was it? And

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Speaker 2: you're like, nu, huh huh.

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Speaker 1: I've been like, I'll tell you when the cameras are on. Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, Palm Springs kind of sucks. Can we

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Speaker 1: start there? So I went to one of those like

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Speaker 1: nude gay resorts. It was called Indulge, which is obviously

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Speaker 1: so embarrassing whenever you say it. I didn't choose the place.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start. I didn't choose it.

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Speaker 2: I have a question, is this a p is it

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Speaker 2: called in an Indulge?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Correct? Wow?

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you could hear me pronounce it that way.

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Speaker 2: You know, of course, what I would have done taken

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Speaker 2: it once the further in bulge.

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Speaker 1: Whoa, you know, I think you're right. But the problem is,

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Speaker 1: I think with it being clothing optional, you know, the

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Speaker 1: bulges an't always there because they're always wearing painting suits.

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Speaker 1: Maybe in balls.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good anyway.

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Speaker 1: So everyone there is elderly. It's sort of a world

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Speaker 1: for grandparents, grandpa's in particular, to go to uh. And

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Speaker 1: I wasn't. I was. I'm rarely in a space where

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Speaker 1: I am the youngest by two generations, and this was

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Speaker 1: the case here. So first of all, it's just like

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Speaker 1: you're sitting around the pool and you're naked, and you're

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Speaker 1: only hearing conversations about taxes and credit card points and

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Speaker 1: condo renovations, and like to hear this guy being well,

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Speaker 1: we sold our condo in Saint Louis and then we

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Speaker 1: bought a condo in Florida, but the taxes were horrible

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Speaker 1: in Saint Louis. So but if we do the return right,

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Speaker 1: and he can go on for hours about this fucking

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Speaker 1: condo in these taxes, and it was driving me insane

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Speaker 1: in a way where I was like, please, like be lecherous,

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Speaker 1: like why aren't you like trying to have sex with someone?

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Speaker 1: It was disgusting. But then the real thing that was

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Speaker 1: funny to me is like, so we were there with

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Speaker 1: a friend and we went out that night and we

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Speaker 1: came back and we're all like going in the pool

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Speaker 1: and we were sort of drunk and being crazy and

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Speaker 1: we were like taking turns carrying each other like babies.

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Speaker 1: So we were.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, were you with a big group?

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Speaker 1: It was like this particular night, there's just one person

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Speaker 1: I'm friends with from New York, okay, and we were

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Speaker 1: all carrying each other like baby is ha ha ha

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Speaker 1: ha ha. And then there was this one like fifty

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Speaker 1: five year old, like sort of stiff businessman who uh

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Speaker 1: And I went up to this man and I was like,

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Speaker 1: So that I carried this random fifty five year old

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Speaker 1: man naked around the pool as if he was baby,

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Speaker 1: and I literally think he's like never had so much

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Speaker 1: fun in his life.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Wait, so then did he sort of

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Speaker 2: like loosen up?

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Speaker 1: I think he loosened up. He was like having fun,

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Speaker 1: and I think to swim. I was swimming him around

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Speaker 1: the pool, like, baby, it was where?

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Speaker 2: Was it sexual?

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Speaker 1: Non sexually?

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Speaker 2: Was he there with a partner?

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Speaker 1: No, he was there. I mean he might have wanted

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Speaker 1: to have sex, to be honest.

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Speaker 2: But wow, so you are fully teasing this poor introverted,

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Speaker 2: single bachelor businessman who is there. He's like, all I

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Speaker 2: of old age. And then you come up to him,

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Speaker 2: my dreams are coming true. You take him up, you

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Speaker 2: humiliate him in front of everyone. You're literally doing like

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Speaker 2: a humiliation ritual, even in front of your drunk New York,

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Speaker 2: say that's enough, grandpa, and then you go to your room.

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Speaker 1: No, I think he had the time of his life.

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Speaker 1: And I really made me be like damn, it was

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Speaker 1: an amazing feeling of like gay guys are so crazy,

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Speaker 1: like the fact that I'm essentially picking up my dad

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Speaker 1: like like this is so weird, and and like to

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Speaker 1: what are we doing? Like it's literally like, what is this?

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Speaker 1: I was blown away by the whole experience and the

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Speaker 1: old The next day I woke up and I was

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Speaker 1: like half then to see him again and just be

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Speaker 1: like hi, like and he was like hi. It was

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Speaker 1: really really more intimate than if we had hooked up.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes I would. I would say picking someone up,

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Speaker 2: swimming around with him and then putting him back down

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Speaker 2: is one hundred percent more intimate than hooking up.

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Speaker 1: So you know, anybody out there, if you're ever out

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Speaker 2: I think you'll have a last It's very sweet. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I want to go on vacation. You deserve it,

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Speaker 2: but don't I literally deserve it.

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Speaker 1: I will say, we need to talk. The pr around

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Speaker 1: Palm Springs is too good, Like this place is flop.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've always sort of suspected that it's so weird and

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Speaker 1: people are like, oh, it's just like West Coast Fire Island.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Do you hear yourself? It

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Speaker 1: makes no sense.

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Speaker 2: It has always rereaked of desperation to me. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: To say, yeah, it's just not right. And it's like,

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Speaker 1: so you're in a pool, like there also have all

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Speaker 1: these rules about being really quiet, Like so all the

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Speaker 1: on you if your music is like audible from the

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Speaker 1: other houses. It's like, what is this.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I think about Palm Springs. I sort of

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Speaker 2: think pomp Springs. It's like, what if Debaucher's gay men

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Speaker 2: very uh, sort of nimby, but then you are, but

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Speaker 2: which makes it worse because I'm like, well, if I'm

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Speaker 2: and her mother Muffy, Like, at least let's be in Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: Let's have like a dry steak, you know, let's go

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Speaker 2: all the way. But if you're gonna, you know, tease

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Speaker 2: me with the promise of sexual debauchery and the pool

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Speaker 2: and picking people up, then at least, like, let's go there.

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Speaker 1: I was genuinely surprised at how unsexual the whole place

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Speaker 1: gay men. That was this unsexual, Like I'm actually kind

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Speaker 1: of blown away by it, and something's in the air there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, did you ultimately have a good time?

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Speaker 1: It was fine. Ultimately it was fine. I read my book,

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Speaker 1: you know, I learned a lot about taxes.

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Speaker 2: Are you still reading? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Still? I mean it was a damn week ago.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you're reading uh didion? Or no?

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Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, I'm reading our dear friend Dan

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Speaker 1: dea Dario's book.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh that's right, then, I take back the still

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Speaker 2: did you finish it?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Oh, my goal.

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Speaker 1: I have a job, George, I have a job. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of job, oh job, let's being our guest. We have

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Speaker 1: the same job, but not right now, but not right now.

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Speaker 2: Wow, is such a good introw.

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Speaker 1: Please him to the podcast. Kyler Higgley.

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Speaker 4: Hello, great transition, guys. That was really seamless. That was

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Speaker 4: one of the most beautiful stories I've ever heard. Thank

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Speaker 4: you also as your coworker, It's so funny, dude, know

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Speaker 4: that you were just sort of babying a man.

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Speaker 2: I saw the harassing a coworker. The story of you,

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Speaker 2: of what you.

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Speaker 1: God we're not coworkers currently right this moment, right because

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Speaker 1: I'm allowed to say that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now we can say whatever we want. Yeah, it's no,

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Speaker 4: it's it's inspiring, I would say. And I I also

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Speaker 4: feel like every time I see you outside of work,

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Speaker 4: I see a whole different side of you. You're a

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Speaker 4: different guy. Yeah, in and out of work.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely severing spot.

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Speaker 2: I need to I need to know what Sam is

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Speaker 2: like at an office job. It has always been because

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Speaker 2: I get peaks of it, you know, because obviously Sam

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Speaker 2: But I want to know what it's like at the

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Speaker 4: It's it's very much like I feel like Sam will

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Speaker 4: never fully tell you exactly what you like. Really feel

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Speaker 4: like there's there's a certain wall that's up that I

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Speaker 4: can tell that you're in a little bit of a

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Speaker 4: business mode, where like, I know you're going to now

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Speaker 4: old man in the water like baby, But if you're

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Speaker 4: at work, you're not like this guy likes doing baby

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's true. I don't even think about the wall,

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Speaker 1: but it's definitely it is. It's there.

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Speaker 4: I feel it, probably because I sit next to you

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Speaker 4: And we have a lot of fun and we riff

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Speaker 2: But like you do have a yeah, you also have

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Speaker 2: if you don't mind me saying, sometimes Sam will get

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Speaker 2: panic in his eyes. Yeah, okay, do you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, Skyler.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there's a No, I've seen the panic. We've like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like if and I actually I also have

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Speaker 2: a very bad poker face. So this is in no

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Speaker 2: it's unclear what the next step in an interaction is,

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Speaker 2: I'll look at Sam and he'll will truly look like

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Speaker 2: you know, Daniel Khalulia and get out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah this is my Sam dismount for any conversation that's awkward.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know that's true. I've adopted Selave.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Yeah. Do you think you have

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Speaker 4: I think I have too little of a wall at work.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I'm too much of just like whatever

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Speaker 2: I think the secret is consistency. I think if you're like,

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Speaker 2: classic Skyler. The issue is if Sam or I one

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Speaker 1: It would simply not go. Well, I'm not I cannot

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Speaker 1: Heard it here first, folks.

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Speaker 4: Project that's my advice anybody who's trying to break into

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Speaker 1: Make people fear you fear. I do think.

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Speaker 2: I think my version of that is like in a

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Speaker 4: It's true. No, it's true. I mean at a non

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Speaker 4: I worked this shipping job where they were like it

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Speaker 1: I've had two jobs where I was closeted at because

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Speaker 2: When when you say closeted, you are you actively talking

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Speaker 1: Talking about anything about it. Yeah, and like so one

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Speaker 4: It'll be like look at that fucking ass. It's so

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Speaker 1: No, the moving vibe, it was obviously it's like a

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Speaker 2: You need to expand this character.

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Speaker 4: There's like the Glitterists and the Labia Majora and the Manora.

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Speaker 4: We all the parts, every part was working everything of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it did feel like Okay, I'm like in

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Speaker 4: Also, when you're quiet, because my partner's very quiet in

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Speaker 2: Also, I used to think my default used to be like,

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Speaker 2: like dressed well and look cool. Like if someone like

438
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: that is being quiet, then I'm immediately like, oh, they

439
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 2: think I'm stupid, Like they they actually are so cool

440
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 2: and sophisticated that they have nothing to say to me

441
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 2: because I'm such loser. So if you just like go

442
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 2: in quiet and smoldering, maybe with a nice jacket, you're set.

443
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 4: I always have to say, try to do that, and

444
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 4: I feel like it doesn't track like I'm Sometimes I

445
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 4: try to go like, oh, if I'm in a situation

446
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 4: where I feel uncomfortable or whatever, I try to go like,

447
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,679
Speaker 4: I'll just be quiet and then I'll seem cool, and

448
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 4: I feel like it's not working and everybody can just

449
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 4: tell I'm like uncomfortable.

450
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 2: I'm not going.

451
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 4: Enough, you know what I mean, Like I haven't crossed

452
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 4: the threshold where I'm like, oh, people are just gonna

453
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 4: think I'm cool if I'm just not talking. But I

454
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 4: think everybody's detecting that I'm feeling social anxiety.

455
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know. One thing that I was

456
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: surprised with about you is I feel like you're in

457
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,199
Speaker 1: like life and and at work you're very You're like

458
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: you're talking a lot, you're big, And then I actually

459
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: think on stage you get like you do kind of

460
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: do like the cool quiet Oh wow.

461
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 4: Interesting, I feel like I'm I honestly it changes night tonight.

462
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 4: But well because on stage sometimes I'm like, oh, I'm

463
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 4: just like really tired because it will be the end

464
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 4: of the day. But like, yeah, I can play big

465
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 4: and small on stag. It just depends on the stage.

466
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 4: I guess because I was in Chicago over the weekend

467
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 4: a laugh actory, I was screaming, you know really yeah,

468
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 4: so it helps it's a big room.

469
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, there is nothing better than than going

470
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: big on, like if it's not your default, like sometimes

471
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, this is my night. I'm really going

472
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: to become like you know Rory Scovell, right, like I'm

473
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 2: just going to start screaming.

474
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: Well, it's like, George, I love when you go into

475
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: accents or something like, I'm like, yeah, I love it

476
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: a character George.

477
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when I oh my god, yeah, I think Also, Sam,

478
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: what you're I think the time that you saw me

479
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 2: to a said it was literally two people in the audience.

480
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: Was that the only time I feel like in person,

481
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: I believe. I think it was just a two persons

482
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: the only time and we were and I was just like, oh,

483
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 2: I have nothing for.

484
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: These Well that was a nightmare.

485
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think that's what it was. I was like, Oh,

486
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 4: I don't really have I think that I'm always like

487
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 4: exactly what the energy of the crowd is. So if

488
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 4: they're well, you're a mirror, I'm a mirror.

489
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: I that we did a show where there were only

490
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: two people.

491
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun really like actually two people.

492
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: Like actually two people. And it was actually one of

493
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: those things where I was like fuck this, Like I

494
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: was so mad and it was like a Sunday night.

495
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: Did you think they were maybe going to cant because

496
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 2: I get so angry when people don't cancel show.

497
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: I was so I was like, clearly this is canceled, this,

498
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: canceled this, and they were like, let's start whoo And

499
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: I was like, what year is it? What? How how

500
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: far we've come? And yet this is still happening sort.

501
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 4: Of sort of back down to earth in a it's

502
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 4: such a humbling city.

503
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: La, such a humbling city, Like I'm not a big deal.

504
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 2: But you know what though, that what you realize is

505
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: like that never ends. Like I have been on shows

506
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: with literal celebrities, you know that are like dropping in

507
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: or something, and they will perform in front of seven people.

508
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: It's and that actually is liberating to be like this

509
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: is not This doesn't mean I'm a loser. It just

510
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: means I'm part I'm in community with you know, Jenny Garoppolo.

511
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 4: Right, It means that the whole this whole community and

512
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 4: everything that we do is for loser.

513
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: Exactly, yes, exactly exactly.

514
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: Well, I even I mean even our show. Sometimes I

515
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: see people come on that I'm like, you're like very successful, yeah,

516
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: and now we're making you do this yeah.

517
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And it's just like yeah, crawl on the

518
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 4: floor and bark like a dog and eat this like

519
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 4: slop from the ground. You know, fucking whoever is the

520
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: most famous person?

521
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: And I like say, I feel that way about literally

522
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: actors doing press, Like you're you're telling me Meryl Streep

523
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: still has to do a round table.

524
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 4: This is actually something that I've been thinking about a

525
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 4: lot lately, the idea that now if you if you

526
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 4: used to want to be famous, you'd have to go

527
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 4: on a show with a guy who was on cocaine

528
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 4: and he'd be a big band there and blah blah blah,

529
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 4: and you talk about your thing and you maybe do

530
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 4: a little bit or whatever. And now it's like, oh,

531
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 4: you want your movie to have press, you better eat

532
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 4: hot wings with the like you have to. It's all

533
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 4: this like crazy bullshit that nobody care. You're like, are

534
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 4: you gonna talk about the role at all? How did

535
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 4: you prepare? How do you get into character? It's like no,

536
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,719
Speaker 4: like I'm gonna throw hot wings at you and you

537
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 4: have to eat. It's insane.

538
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: No, I actually think it's one of the ways that

539
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: like comedy has one, but in a bad way. Every

540
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: single thing now is like retweet retweet, like everything is comedy.

541
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: Everything is like a sketch or a bit.

542
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: And even on top of that, alt comedy has one.

543
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: Yes, old comedy has one, because you know, guess what's

544
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 2: completely all comedy making Viola Davis eat hot wings like that?

545
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 2: Is it the idea that she that that anyone has

546
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 2: to do that?

547
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's of a larger, greater issue where every

548
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 4: like even you know, not to get too serious, but

549
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 4: like culture itself are pology takes itself, all of it

550
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 4: like nothing's taking itself seriously anymore. This whole country is

551
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, we're just a big joke, doesn't matter.

552
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 4: Who cares said that doesn't matter. It's like, well, no,

553
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 4: you can't be you can't be comedy. We can be comedy.

554
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 4: We can't have everything be comedy because then nothing matters

555
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 4: at all.

556
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: It's everything's irony pilled I, Georgia, are you watching the

557
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: season of drag Race? Yes, I want to explain so

558
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: There's this queen right now named Joella and she is

559
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: like really really not doing well, and but she is

560
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: so so confident and she keeps to literally tell other

561
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: girls of their face like I hope you're not lipsticking

562
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: against me because I'm gonna fucking beat your ass and like,

563
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: but meanwhile, she's like can barely like dance or turn

564
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. Like she told girls their talent was bad,

565
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: but she did like the most basic like I'm the

566
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 1: queen I snatched the crown song you've ever heard, and

567
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: so I've like she makes me feel a rage that

568
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: is like unhealthy. And but I've been like going to

569
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: Reddit to be like, Okay, let's see, let's see what

570
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: other people are saying, can't do that, And people are like,

571
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: finally TV is back. What finally reality shows are reality

572
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: ing again? And I'm like, not everything's a bit oh right.

573
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 4: They're just like, oh, well, it's bad and it's good

574
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 4: and I like that it's bad.

575
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bad and it's crazy and it's good TV.

576
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's not good TV, Like I mean

577
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: in the sense it's like comedic, but it's like these

578
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: girls work their whole fucking lives to get here. This

579
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: is like their big moment. I don't know. It bums

580
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: me out in a weird way. I don't know. They

581
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: have that distance, like they're not real housewives. They're like

582
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: trying to do something.

583
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: They're trying to do. Wonder if it's like, is our

584
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: only form of resistance to be the most humorless version

585
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: of ourselves. It's like, if everything is a joke, then

586
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: is the most radical thing you can do to like

587
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: wear a black turtleneck and a scarf and walk into

588
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: a room and be like, well, I thought that was absolute,

589
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: you know, I thought that production of the Seagull was

590
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: middle brow direk.

591
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: Well, like, then you'll be Jeremy Strong and yeah.

592
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: But no, because Jeremy Strong, it becomes a meme.

593
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: That's it, Jeremy that you can't you can't.

594
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it like goes into the comedy machine and

595
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: you're just spat out and you're a joke again.

596
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, either either you're in control of the joke or

597
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: you're not. Like it's yeah, it's really it's it's fucked up.

598
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: It's really impossible.

599
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 4: Because it's like because the way even like the literal

600
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 4: like evil people that we have seen in the news lately,

601
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 4: we're like, are still just like, well, haha, it's ironic.

602
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know. I was being random.

603
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, what is that?

604
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: No, And and it's one thing to make those jokes

605
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: in public and to be like, okay, I'm trying to

606
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: you know, trying to get my reposts for the day,

607
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: but it actually has now I've internalized that mode so

608
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: much that I can't watch the inauguration without being like

609
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: Millennia slaying with that hat.

610
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

611
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: It's not like I'm thinking, oh god, everything is so depressing,

612
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: how do I make it funny? And then I like

613
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: spit out some joke. It's like my default mode is

614
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: chicken chop date.

615
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: Right, It's like I'm not even internalizing anything emotionally. Yeah,

616
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: But then it's also then you feel then I feel

617
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 4: like a deep emptiness inside of me. And then and

618
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 4: then it's like, well, what am I then going to like,

619
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 4: as you said, be serious, because that nobody likes that.

620
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 4: Everybody's like that's so annoying. And then everybody will be like, well,

621
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 4: that person thinks they're so self important and pretentious, and

622
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: I don't want that either, and I'm just trying to live.

623
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: Man.

624
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: Wait, this is okay, this is exactly I'm realized. I'm

625
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: being the quiet kid on social media. Like I'm literally

626
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm like being quiet, yeah, because I'm like, this is

627
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: this is too much like like everyone being super ironic

628
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: and like gay guy about like serious things and everyone

629
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: being like really sincere about serious things. I'm like, both

630
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: are wrong? Right?

631
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 4: How do you do both?

632
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be quiet.

633
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start. I'm gonna take a video of myself

634
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: rolling my eyes and then saying shut up and just

635
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: posted whenever I see anything on social media.

636
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: Like you, George. I know we can't necessarily get into it,

637
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: but you had a screed this week that was so juicy.

638
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: What was my screed?

639
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: When you posted about like everyone sharing misinformation.

640
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: And oh god, moment of weakness.

641
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: It was so good. Actually, I was glad.

642
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: I want everyone to know I am on the verge

643
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: of posting a screen every moment of my life.

644
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: I am.

645
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: I am in manifesto mode and everyone is lucky that

646
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: I have some level of self control and I only

647
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: do it once a year.

648
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 4: George, I feel.

649
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: You so much, man, everything No, Like it's crazy how

650
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: I feel like a like you know, like a guy

651
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: and like the basement watching everyone and be like a

652
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: voiceover of American Cycle or something and just being.

653
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: Like these people walking around me like don't know anything.

654
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: Like that's how I feel every day.

655
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: You always have to be like, let me ask you,

656
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 4: do you feel unknowable to your fellow man?

657
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: Yes?

658
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and guess what they are unknoble to me?

659
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: Mmm.

660
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: I'm literally like how you see you interact with someone

661
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: in real life and you're like we're friends, I've known

662
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: you forever, blah blah, and then it's like, wait a minute,

663
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: you fel for you know, like what the essentially what

664
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: is the equivalent of like a viral post. That's like

665
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: if I post this, I don't grant Mark Zuckerberg so

666
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: to my face, and this is happening just like on

667
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: a daily basis, and I just have to like scroll

668
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: past that and be like, hey, like want to get

669
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: a drink later. Meanwhile, I know that this person is

670
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: a complete moron.

671
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 4: Right, oh god, But then just stay engaged with it

672
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: because I have, you know, we have internet job, and

673
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 4: I also am just addicted to Twitter and stuff. To

674
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: stay engaged with it. You go, well, this is bad

675
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 4: for me, so I should be off of it. And

676
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 4: then also you go, yeah, it's bad whatever on an

677
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 4: individual level, but this is what is happening with everybody.

678
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: So what am I supposed to do? Just be like, oh,

679
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 4: well I don't engage with that. I don't care whatever.

680
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 4: It's like, Well, it doesn't matter whether you do or don't.

681
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: Culture is still like devolving anyway, and you can just

682
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: be not aware of it and you're still going down

683
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: that toilet train. Man, I am so fun to hang

684
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: out with, such a fun conversation.

685
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: It's awesome, George. I just have to say the sentence

686
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: where you were like, you're in your thirties, like you

687
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: are not young enough to like be stupid and you're

688
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: not old enough to be stupid about the Internet, Like.

689
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: Well I did say sorry, I do stand by this.

690
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, if you're in your if you're like

691
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: let's say twenty seven through forty, okay, you are like

692
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: at this point you should know how the media ecosystem works,

693
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: Like you are not eighteen who like you know, is

694
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: like grew up with it, you know, grew up with

695
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: it and doesn't know any different and can't remember newspapers

696
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: and you're also not like a boomer who is confused

697
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: by it all because it's so new, Like, how how

698
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: have you not developed media literacy? How do you literally see?

699
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: I mean like a post that is and a not

700
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: the one that I sent you Sam, that's like about

701
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: the air quality in LA And it's a post that

702
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: is an anonymous text message where someone is saying lung

703
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: doctors I know are saying you should do this, like

704
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: lung doctors. You are someone with a bachelor's degree.

705
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: Lung doctors, you know. And the way that this image

706
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: like deteriorated as it got screenshotted in share and it's.

707
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: Like, what are we doing? Yeah, that was fucking crazy.

708
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: One time my friend shared a post the same thing

709
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 4: that was one of these you know, that sort of

710
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 4: holistic to alt right pipeline that's like, oh, we're so

711
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: the rfk's of he's the king of these people.

712
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

713
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: My friends one time shared a post that, uh was

714
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 4: like things that they that hurt your body that they

715
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: like don't want you to know about, and it was

716
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 4: just like, you know, uh, prescription medications, Uh, you know,

717
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: fast food is like a long list of actual stuff

718
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: and then in like sort of close to the bottom

719
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 4: of the list. One of them was legitimately feminism was

720
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: one of the things, and this is this was a

721
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 4: feminist person that like it, believes like just shared it

722
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 4: and I replied being like feminism WT Like what the fuck?

723
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 4: She was like, Oh, I didn't read the whole thing.

724
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, and I love I.

725
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 4: Love her very much, but I'm also like, what are you?

726
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: What is going on?

727
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 4: We gotta do better.

728
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: This is cut. Well, here's the Okay, we do need

729
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: to I want to do our first segment. I want

730
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: to get into your topic. But yeah, one last thing

731
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: I want to say. I was talking to Sam about this, Like,

732
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: I think a lot of this boils down to people

733
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: thinking everything needs to be done publicly. It's like you

734
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: can read something and then not also tell everyone you

735
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: read it. We read things all the time. I consume

736
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: things all the time. I consume TV shows, books, articles, whatever.

737
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: Just because you read something doesn't mean you then have

738
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 2: to repost it, right, Yeah, if you're a little unsure

739
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: about it, just take a beat.

740
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: Take a beat.

741
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: There is this idea that like something is more legitimate

742
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: or real if it's done in public, whether it's reading, learning,

743
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: having a conversation like shouting at a friend. It's just

744
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: like it's fine to not ever to not have everything be.

745
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: In public, right, I mean, and obviously like it makes

746
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 4: it less legitimate, right because it's like, yes, well you're

747
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 4: also performing it.

748
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right exactly.

749
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: Oh well we took down culture. Wow, that was easy.

750
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 4: We fixed it.

751
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: That was awesome.

752
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: That's what we do.

753
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 2: See you in twenty twenty eight.

754
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: Okay, let's sar our first segment, Scyla. Our first segment

755
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: is called Straight Shooters, and in this segment, we're going

756
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: to ask you a serious of rapid fire questions to

757
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: gage your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture. It's

758
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: baically this thing or this other thing. And the only

759
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: rule is you can't ask a single follow up question

760
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: or we will post about it.

761
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: Okay, I agree to your terms.

762
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: Okay, Skyler a novella or a Nobella Peace Prize, Nobella Pie.

763
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 2: Guitar Hero or Inbox zero Guitar Hero.

764
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: Okay, y'all you guys, folks or comrades.

765
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 2: Comrades, the US open or the UPS is closed.

766
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: UPS is closed. Luca Guadanino or San Pellegrino.

767
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 4: San pellogrino, because I don't know what the first one was.

768
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: Oh wow, let's return to we're returning to this. Yeah,

769
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: circle back.

770
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: French kiss or the stench of piss French kiss?

771
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, sipping lacroix, or kissing a boy, kissing a boy?

772
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: There you go.

773
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: My book is out in paperback. Or my tooth is

774
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 2: full of dental plaque.

775
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 4: Oh god, my tooth is full of dental plaque.

776
00:36:59,160 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: Wow.

777
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

778
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: Well, we rate our guests on a skill of one

779
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: to one thousand doves. And I think there was a

780
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: real confidence. And it's your first time on the podcast,

781
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: and and yet you were considering, you weren't just guessing blindly.

782
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go nine hundred and twelve duves.

783
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 4: Wow.

784
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: Nice. Almost nine to eleven.

785
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 4: Damn.

786
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: I know you would have really.

787
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 4: Liked I really would have loved it. It was nine

788
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: to eleven. But that's okay. No, it's like one more.

789
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 4: It's like the day after.

790
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: So he loves nine to eleven, Georgia. I don't know that.

791
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 2: Is this like to say more?

792
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 4: I love nine eleven? I was you know, I was

793
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 4: in the tower.

794
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: He was in the towers.

795
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: Oh that's fun.

796
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, he loves it. It's oh, let's spread that that

797
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 4: I was in the tower. Yeah, yeah, I could. I

798
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 4: could probably tour off that.

799
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: Who was that one guy who's the comedian Steve Steve?

800
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I don't know why he said. I would

801
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 4: have just kept at that point.

802
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: Oh keep it up. No one's back checking.

803
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 4: I mean he's he's eating away at and whatever I

804
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 4: have a question about.

805
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: I can't.

806
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: I can't ask questions about the game.

807
00:37:59,320 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

808
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 4: Now, well, I feel like I got like blade runnered,

809
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 4: like where I got intake form? Was this uh psychological

810
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 4: yes test?

811
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what it is. It's sort of a test.

812
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: It's a test. It's sort of like only we know

813
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: what your answers say about you. We would never make

814
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: that public. That would be against hippa. Okay, but it's

815
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: you know, it's sort of uh, you can't if you

816
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: think too hard about it, then you can't trust the

817
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: results anymore. It's like hitting your knee with that little

818
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: thing that the doctor has and then testing your reflexes.

819
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 4: Yeah. So if I feel like it was like a yeah,

820
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 4: a deep peek into my subconscious, but will never truly

821
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: know what it means because it can't be translated into

822
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 4: note words that humans understand.

823
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: No correct, but people, people will see, people will see

824
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: something in you.

825
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: You guys are doing big work here.

826
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: I'll say that, thank you. Should we get into.

827
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: The topic, George, I would, I would adore that.

828
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: So, Skyler, you texted me this morning two topics, and

829
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't know which one you've landed on or if

830
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: there's a secret third one that you've changed your mind

831
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: had gone to. But I would love to hear what

832
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: your topic is.

833
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 4: Okay, here's a secret third one that it's speaking to me.

834
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 4: The most hometown pride.

835
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: Ooh, I love that hometown pride and what speaks to

836
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: you as straight about that?

837
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 4: I think that the idea of a great feeling about

838
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 4: your hometown or like a strong hometown pride, it feels

839
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 4: so for lack of a better term, normy pilled where

840
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 4: you don't have anything else to build your pride or

841
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 4: identity off of, or if it's like a big portion

842
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 4: of your identity that's not from one of these cities

843
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 4: that already have a big amount of pride, the Chicago,

844
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 4: New York whatever I'm talking like anywhere else, it feels

845
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 4: like very like a lot of people I think myself

846
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 4: included have certain traumas directly associated with where they're from,

847
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 4: because it can be some like whatever place, and I

848
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,479
Speaker 4: feel hometown pride is just this like thing that sort

849
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: of means nothing and also feels a little like jingoistic

850
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 4: a little, and so it just feels very straight. It

851
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 4: just feels very like I have not actually made that

852
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 4: much analysis of why I feel the way I feel,

853
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 4: and I just am gonna be into fucking you know wherever.

854
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 4: Oh I'm from Boston, Okay.

855
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, there is something where it like very quickly

856
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: turns to anger or something that really defensive.

857
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeaheah, you're not. I mean, obviously, people in big cities

858
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: also have pride. I'm not saying if you're in New

859
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: York or you don't say, like, I'm from New York.

860
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: But but there's something about the hometown pride of smaller

861
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: places that is like you are ready to fight.

862
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, George, where are you from? Where'd you grow up?

863
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: So I mostly it's I mostly grew up in Greece,

864
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: but then I spent seven years or like six and

865
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: a half years in America in New Jersey and a

866
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: very sort of like middle of the road suburbia in

867
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: New Jersey, and so hometop ride was always very interesting

868
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: to me because in my mind, I was like, Okay, well,

869
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: the years I spent in New Jersey, that could have

870
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: literally been anywhere, like it had no defining elements. And

871
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: then when we moved back to Greece when I was

872
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: in high school, and that was genuinely such a big

873
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: difference in my life, and I was speaking a different language,

874
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 2: and I was so aware of like my Greek heritage everywhere,

875
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: and it's drilled into you that we came from the

876
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: ancient Greeks and like modern democracy was invented in Greece

877
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. And so it was so shocking

878
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: to me when I moved back to America to see

879
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: people be proud of Wisconsin. No offense, but I was

880
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: just like, wait, But to me, I would never think

881
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: of if my two hometowns are Greece and New Jersey,

882
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: Like New Jersey was just sort of like a waiting room, right,

883
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

884
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 4: No, exactly, It's well, and that's also you know, there's

885
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 4: ethnic identity and ancient history involved in that and all of.

886
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: This and by the way, being proud of being from

887
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: Greece is also reactionary and also quasi racist if done

888
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: the wrong way. Like I'm not saying sure, like literally

889
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: being proud of like Greek statues and like the Adonis

890
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: is you know, it's it's skip hopping a way to

891
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: being all right, Like right, I get that. But there's

892
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 2: something about like, Okay, let's think of this one thing

893
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 2: that I that is a completely random fact about myself

894
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: that it just so happened that this is where my

895
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: parents gave birth to me and have that be the

896
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 2: number one thing about myself. That's almost like it's almost

897
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: like giving up before you can even make an effort

898
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: to do something right.

899
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're Sam, You're from Misser. I moved around

900
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: a lot, Okay, Michigan, like Virginia, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio.

901
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so just Midwest generally.

902
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm mid West generally with a little bit of Southern.

903
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 4: Do you feel pride?

904
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: Never? Because I moved so much that it was always

905
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: like everywhere I went, people would be like, well, this

906
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: is how we do things, and I was like not everywhere,

907
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: Like I like had too much, you know for a

908
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: small town in Indiana, I had too much global knowledge

909
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: right where I was like, well, I've seen a place

910
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: with a mall in Virginia, and actually they like there

911
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: are whole new stories you haven't even heard of.

912
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 4: Right, everybody who lives in a place, they do think

913
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 4: that that place is that They're like it's the best mall,

914
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 4: like oh, we have the local joint, like, uh, Freddie's.

915
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 4: Oh my god, the food at Freddie's the best to

916
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 4: sauce you've ever tasted. You go, there's a million Freddy's

917
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 4: and you don't even know.

918
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: I think also the moving Skyler is like part of

919
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: the wall where I like would go and be like

920
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: because I was sort of taught like when you move,

921
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: you are wrong, like they are right, because you'll be

922
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: like that's not really how things work, and it's like no, no, no,

923
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: they are right. You are joining their town. So I

924
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: would be like sh like be quiet until you figure

925
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: what's going on, and then just sort of be like, yes,

926
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: I also love to go to that coffee shop right

927
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: like after school or whatever. Like there was something about

928
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: like they are always in the right, the customer is

929
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: always right.

930
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: Right.

931
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: I also think it's like I know that people who

932
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: you know move somewhere as adults and then pretend they're

933
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: from there get a bad rap, like it would be

934
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: like me pretending I'm like a New Yorker and wearing

935
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: and being like so hometown pride on nine to eleven. Yeah, obviously, However,

936
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: I actually think there's something too having hometown pride for

937
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: a place you actively chose to live in, because it

938
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: says more about your personality. Like I remember, after moving

939
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: around as a kid, the first place I as an

940
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: adult was the Bay Area, which I have no like

941
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: personal connection to, but I did feel like it was

942
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: where I made my first like sort of chosen community

943
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: is where I had my first like I really felt

944
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: kind of like an ownership over the neighborhood. I lived

945
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: in the places that I frequent in, the people that

946
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: I knew, and so I felt like I was If

947
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: I would ever were ever to, like, let's say, root

948
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: for a sports team or something, I would much I

949
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: would be much more likely to root for like a

950
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: San Francisco based team than like a New Jersey based one,

951
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: because that was just where my parents happened to live

952
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: at the time. I was like happy to live in

953
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: San Francisco. I chose it, and I liked it, so

954
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: obviously I'm like more happy.

955
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: You're saying biological family versus chosen family.

956
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 4: Yes, biological city and chosen city. I feel the same

957
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 4: way about Chicago. I grew up in Salt Lake City.

958
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 4: I moved to Chicago. I have way way more pride

959
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 4: for Chicago than I would of Salt Lake City because that,

960
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: I mean cultural differences aside. I still I chose here,

961
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 4: and I moved here at twenty and I became a

962
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 4: person in this city, and it feels like a much

963
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 4: more real city where people are sort of intended to

964
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 4: live and try to be their own person, where like

965
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 4: where I grew up is just like this is what

966
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 4: is So it's the most this is what we do

967
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 4: here city of anywhere in the United States.

968
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, you're also pointing to an important thing,

969
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: which is like the idea of having hometown pride is

970
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: almost like saying that was the real me there, and

971
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: so like that's it's like that those are my roots,

972
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: That's what I'm proud of. Whereas I'm like, no, this

973
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: is the real me. I've worked very hard to pass

974
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: as like normal in New York, Like you know what,

975
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: you know.

976
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 4: What I think it is too. I think it's also

977
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: like the same thing of being like, well, I'm a

978
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 4: Saveris and I'm a Taggart, like just like being all

979
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 4: about like lineage, which is like, yeah, but you are

980
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 4: as an individual and now I'm thinking about it individualism

981
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 4: versus collectivism and changing my tune a little bit, but

982
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 4: you as an individual, you as an individual, that doesn't

983
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: mean anything like being like what, this is what we've done,

984
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: this is who we are, this is what I'm It's

985
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 4: like that is true on a certain level, but on

986
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 4: another level, it's just like you you are not a

987
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 4: part of any of that that had nothing to do

988
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 4: with you. You're a result of it, and you can

989
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 4: acknowledge that, but it just you know, But I also

990
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 4: I don't care about family. I'm adopted, so I don't

991
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 4: have any sort of I don't have any like specific

992
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 4: like oh my name, my family name, my blood whatever.

993
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck about any of that.

994
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, I think the weirdest something happens also

995
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: as you age that I've noticed among peers where it's

996
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: like even the people that were like I fucking hate

997
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: my hometown, like you give them like eight years and

998
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: they're like I actually love this town in Michigan, and

999
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: they're like, actually, it's like a really nice place to

1000
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: raise children, and it like becomes this thing where like,

1001
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, like where my parents live in

1002
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: Michigan now is very nice because it's like on the

1003
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: water and blah blah blah that you're like, oh, this

1004
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: is cute and I see it now, but I still

1005
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: would never live there, Like I couldn't, Like what would

1006
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: I do?

1007
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 4: Right, There's I mean, there's more to life we chased.

1008
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 4: I think we're also I don't know, from being ostracized

1009
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 4: in one way or another, moving around or whatever. We're

1010
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: like chasing a certain high that you just cannot get

1011
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: in Michigan on the lake unless you like jet ski

1012
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 4: a lot or something.

1013
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough. I don't know, George, how do you

1014
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: feel about that?

1015
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: No, it's I'm I was struck by what Skyler said

1016
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: about like individualism versus collectivism, because I do agree that

1017
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: that that sort of complicates the argument that we're making,

1018
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: right that it's like, well, yes, we can't completely leave

1019
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: behind who we are and only be this like you

1020
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: know the architect in the fountain Head, Like, yes, we

1021
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: are all part of the community we came from. We

1022
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: are all part of our family in some way. Everywhere

1023
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: we've lived like stays with us. So what So, okay,

1024
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: what is the right amount to respect your past? That question?

1025
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: It's like my main struggle in life.

1026
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: I was about to be like, it's what makes you you,

1027
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: but it's not. That's it's not, but it is. I

1028
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: think like how happy you are at any given time

1029
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: has to do largely with how you have chosen to

1030
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: incorporate your past with your present, because you can get

1031
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: way caught up in like nostalgia of what has come before,

1032
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: or you can ignore it so much that you that

1033
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: it's almost like a trauma that you've severed, and then

1034
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: you're being this like dead eyed, like forward looking person.

1035
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 4: Well, I have a lot of thoughts about this because

1036
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 4: I also think that this is sort of I think

1037
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 4: the whole past present thing is is is sort of

1038
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 4: the definition of like what I have been creatively or whatever,

1039
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 4: because like you know, all my stand up is about

1040
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 4: mormonn adoption whatever, all that bullshit. So all of that

1041
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 4: I have very complicated feelings about and trauma around, and

1042
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 4: so you want to sort of like decry that and go,

1043
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not these things or whatever. I'm not

1044
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 4: fully defined by them. And at the same time, it's like, well,

1045
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 4: if everything that I have done is either a reaction

1046
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 4: to this or not, either it is a reaction to this,

1047
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 4: So you have to respect the things that have defined you.

1048
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 4: But I also don't know if you get so bogged

1049
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 4: down in them where it's just like I don't know.

1050
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 4: You can only be who you are, and you can

1051
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 4: only be where you're from, and you can acknowledge that

1052
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 4: you didn't have a choice in that and then take agency,

1053
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 4: But then also can't just be like fuck it, like

1054
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 4: I don't give a shit about any of this.

1055
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: This is so like something about this is carry Bradshaw to.

1056
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: Me, there's something like really something about it is like

1057
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: we'll talk about someone who doesn't have a past, literally

1058
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 2: where is she from?

1059
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 4: Meanwhile across town?

1060
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: Well, it's sort of like is it possible to have

1061
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: a future without a past? Like something so like is

1062
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: it possible to look at where you've been from and

1063
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: felt and feel nothing about it? Like can I ever

1064
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: forgive big?

1065
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1066
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: Well this is interesting though, like the idea of that

1067
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: there is being defined by your past in a hometown prideway.

1068
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: And there's being defined by your past in a UH

1069
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: resentment way, Yes, there are. It's you can also be

1070
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: so driven by your grievances about your past that that

1071
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: also defines you. And so is that.

1072
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: Like?

1073
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 2: Is that straight or gay? Also? And is being neutral

1074
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: about your path like like basically a rank from gata

1075
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: strait being attached to your past in a hometown prideway,

1076
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: being attached to your past in a resentment way, and

1077
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 2: having completely neutral feelings about your past in a Carrie

1078
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: Bradshaw way.

1079
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: Well, obviously it's straight to care about like to love

1080
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: your past. Yes, it's gay to.

1081
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: Hate your past, to hate your past. And then neutral

1082
00:51:54,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: is by I've never met a by person who's neutral.

1083
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone is neutral.

1084
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 2: I guess neutral is the wrong word. I think I

1085
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: mean more like acceptand no, it's no, it's the opposite

1086
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: of acceptance. It's like having a block, you know what

1087
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: I mean. I think that traumato.

1088
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 4: I also think that is defined by like how much

1089
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 4: did you, for lack of a better term, hate your past?

1090
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 4: Which a lot of people I think go through this

1091
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 4: life experiencing UH and they don't have any sort of

1092
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 4: resentment of where they're I've just been like saying on

1093
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 4: stage recently, like how is everybody's childhood good?

1094
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: Bad?

1095
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 4: Or neutral? And a lot of people will just be

1096
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 4: like good. It's like, oh, yeah, so there's not when

1097
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 4: there's not something to repel against in your hometown, Freddy's

1098
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: is the best place and you don't really need anything else.

1099
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 4: I think that it comes from a lack inside of

1100
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 4: myself that I felt like I wanted to issue where

1101
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 4: I was at and get too. Not that that lack

1102
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 4: was bad, but I did need to fulfill something.

1103
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it could have been tight to love the hometown.

1104
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 4: Could have been awesome. I think if we were, if

1105
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 4: we were all in our hometowns not talking about this

1106
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 4: at all, I bet there is and you know we're

1107
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 4: probably all you know in cells or whatever, but sure,

1108
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 4: I think maybe we're all a lot happier because we're

1109
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 4: like a little dumber.

1110
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: Little dumber, probably maybe got a little house. Yeah, who knows.

1111
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 4: Not that you're dumb to love your hometown, but I

1112
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 4: think a lot of the people who do love their

1113
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 4: hometown are pretty dumb. There is a correlation, right, They

1114
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 4: like have an American flag up.

1115
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: I just want to say I actually I know that

1116
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: we're generally talking about like smaller towns, smaller cities, but

1117
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: I actually would extend that to people that are from

1118
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,959
Speaker 2: i don't know, in New York or Los Angeles orch Icago.

1119
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1120
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: Well, like, I actually think it's equally annoying, if not

1121
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: more so, when someone you know grew up in the

1122
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: Upper West Side and is obsessed with being from New York.

1123
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: No, I'm like genuinely so jealous of those people in

1124
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: a way that is like kind of unhealthy, Like it's

1125
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: almost being jealous of someone with like really rich parents.

1126
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, yeah, I'm so jealous that you got

1127
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: to like start fulfilled, like you get to love your

1128
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: hometown and you get to be in New York City. Right,

1129
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm like that's not fair.

1130
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: But then a lot of those people, it's so difficult

1131
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: to satisfy them. Like I know so many people that

1132
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: like I remember like going to college and being like

1133
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 2: so enamored with being on a big campus and all

1134
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: this stuff. And then I would meet people that are

1135
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: from Manhattan and they're like, oh, this is just like

1136
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: my high school. Like wait, you know, like.

1137
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's too much stimulus out the gate. But yeah,

1138
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 4: feel similar resentments. I just feel I'm so resentful sometimes

1139
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 4: of anybody who's not where I'm from, Like from where

1140
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 4: I'm from, where I go, like, you don't know what

1141
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 4: it was like, it's like so weird. That is indescribable

1142
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 4: until you go there and then go just like man,

1143
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 4: just being from like oh from I'm from Chicago and

1144
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 4: everybody like goes there and loves it's just oh, sounds awesome.

1145
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 4: So much culture, you know, so many things, you're worldly

1146
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 4: without ever really trying. It's harder for people to be

1147
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 4: like ignorant about the existence of other people. It's ultimately

1148
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 4: good to be exposed to a lot of people, and

1149
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: if you're not, it's very like what so that pride

1150
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 4: is at least warranted. But then it then it feels

1151
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 4: like if you're prideful of those places, it kind of

1152
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 4: feels like you're sort of flashing all the money that

1153
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 4: you have in my face. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm

1154
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 4: from a great place and I love that.

1155
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm cool and smart. Yeah yeah, It's like.

1156
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: Well, right, I mean, hometown pride only works if you're

1157
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 2: at least the underdog.

1158
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean when people stay they're from LA.

1159
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 1: Don't even get me started the way that I'm just like, okay,

1160
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: so you have it all. Like like when especially when

1161
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: people are from LA and then go live in New

1162
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: York and they're like, god, I love New York And

1163
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: it's like, so you just like grew up sort of

1164
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: like knowing about everything, having access to everything. Yeah, and

1165
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: now you still have access to Like I'm like, you.

1166
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 4: Have it all. Yeah, I don't know the people. I

1167
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 4: haven't even met that many people who are from LA.

1168
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 4: It seems very because everybody we know is from not here.

1169
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 4: It seems like a lot of those people then are like, yeah,

1170
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't need to leave LA. This is

1171
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 4: where everybody ends up eventually, so we can all be

1172
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 4: set on fire. But like those people seem to like

1173
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 4: have want for nothing as much or just be like

1174
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 4: I'm also thinking of like probably just rich people. That's

1175
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 4: everybody that I've met that is from LA was pretty rich.

1176
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: Sure. Oh that's so interesting.

1177
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: I've been surprised many times meeting people from especially when

1178
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: I was younger, because I met a bunch of people

1179
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: from LA when I was in college because I went

1180
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: to college in California and I initially would think, like, wait,

1181
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: why are you not like hiding Montag like, because in

1182
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 2: my mind, everyone that's from LA is on the hills.

1183
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 2: And then you realize that, of course, as many viral

1184
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: Instagram posts have reminded us during the Wild Players, not

1185
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: everyone in LA is Heidi Montag. And I know so

1186
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 2: many people that are exceedingly normal slash middle class slash

1187
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: whatever that are from LA And it's actually jarring to

1188
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,479
Speaker 2: you because then you actually meet someone who's rich from

1189
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: Dallas and they are so much more weird. Oh one

1190
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: of them who's like middle class from LA.

1191
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: No, that is true.

1192
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: They don't know how to act a genuinely Yeah, damn.

1193
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: Me, I can't believe you.

1194
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 4: Brought up Dallas. It's not real. Shots fire. Now I

1195
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 4: feel like I also wasn't trying to claim that everybody

1196
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 4: from LA is rich, obviously, I just feel like the

1197
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 4: pieces you were. No, I'm saying that everybody from LA

1198
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 4: is poor and they should get more rich.

1199
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: Everybody from LA is perfect.

1200
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: That's literally true. Everybody from LA is perfect.

1201
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 4: No, let's be real, though, Let's be real. It's well

1202
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 4: like whatever, rich, poor, perfect, whatever, But everyone who is

1203
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 4: from LA is going to hell and we know now

1204
00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 4: and we know that there.

1205
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: Everyone from New York is going to heaven.

1206
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: Wow, I love that. Huh ah.

1207
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: Well, I mean sorry to bring up more serious things,

1208
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: but there is you know.

1209
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: I know this is such a serious day.

1210
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: Hometown pride. I just want to say, like hometown pride

1211
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: taken to its extremes, white supremacy basics literally well literally,

1212
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: it's like that's where like you know, debates about the

1213
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: Confederate flag come from. It's the people being like, well

1214
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: we think it's racist. No, we think it's just hometown pride.

1215
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: Well and even just like get out of my town, person,

1216
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah exactly. It's very uh yeah.

1217
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 4: It's I mean, it's identity built around like externalities that

1218
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 4: are then taken to the extreme where you don't consider

1219
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 4: that because you can be like, oh I am this,

1220
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 4: and then when you push everything else away and being

1221
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 4: like I am so, I am so that, I'm so

1222
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 4: happy to be that. Then it's like again like going

1223
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 4: back to like not the individual thing where you're like,

1224
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 4: so you think you're this larger thing, but then you

1225
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 4: think everybody else outside of your collective isn't a part

1226
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 4: of the collective. So It's like individuality in this way

1227
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 4: is good because then you can think of everybody as

1228
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 4: individuals instead of just your collective being the one individual

1229
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 4: and everybody else part of an outgroup. It's tribal, makes sense. Yeah,

1230
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 4: it was a convoluted way to say tribal, isn't it.

1231
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: And also, I mean, obviously sports fandom is part of

1232
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: this whatever. But then also being proud of famous people

1233
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: that are from where you are from. Yeah, I mean

1234
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: obviously when I was in New Jersey, like Bruce Springston

1235
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: was a huge presidence. So like, if you're from Minnesota,

1236
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: you think you have like a relationship with Prince. It's

1237
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: like not really. He probably would have found you like

1238
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:48,959
Speaker 2: pretty boring.

1239
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: But at the same time you do.

1240
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 4: He's like, Prince could have walked where I walked. You

1241
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 4: don't understand, and that means something for some reason.

1242
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: Well, it's like it's almost like mass hysteria. Like everyone

1243
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: in Minnesota is like Prince's ours. So princes like played

1244
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: more and princes like posted more, and Prince is like

1245
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: just in the culture more. So you're like, I guess

1246
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: I love Prince more, and you kind of do.

1247
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 4: But you're also you're also being like because he's from

1248
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 4: that same place. We're talking about that collective like identity thing.

1249
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 4: You go, well, that makes me part Prince, you know,

1250
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 4: if he's from the same place as me, Prince's part me.

1251
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 4: There's a tiny bit of me and Prince and a

1252
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 4: tiny little bit of Prince in me, and that makes

1253
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 4: me feel like I can somehow believe in myself more.

1254
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: I mean the way that will go as a hold

1255
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: on Chicago, my needs to be Like when I lived

1256
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: in Chicago, I loved will Go more than I've loved

1257
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: anything in my life.

1258
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and in a way that was like I look

1259
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 4: back on that and.

1260
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, who was I Like, Don't get me wrong,

1261
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: I still like it, but like I'm not like fucking

1262
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: crazy about it, right, Like I was like, you know,

1263
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: run me over with.

1264
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 4: A truck, will go, like please, it's I mean anything

1265
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 4: like and especially because so much has come there, come

1266
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 4: from there, anything from there, people are gonna feel that

1267
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 4: way about the fact that Michael Jordan, like the the

1268
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 4: one city with the most pride got to have Michael Jordan.

1269
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 4: It's like, come on, It's like giving a person that

1270
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 4: already has ADHD like a bunch of cocaine.

1271
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: You also can't help yourself, Like, for example, I had,

1272
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 2: I came up, I started comedy in Boston. It's not

1273
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 2: interesting why I was there. I just happen to be

1274
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 2: living there and I started comedy there.

1275
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 4: That sounds it's not interesting.

1276
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: I was Thered School.

1277
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Sam, and I have no special I

1278
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: don't know hometown pride for Boston, but when I hear

1279
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: another comedian started in Boston, I go wild. I'm like, oh,

1280
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: we are part of this. And that's actually a way

1281
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 2: in which hometown pride. Yes, it's biological family, but it

1282
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: also is chosen family because you think you're family members

1283
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: with Prince, Like, it's actually chosen family in this way

1284
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: where you're all in a commune together raising your children together.

1285
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 2: M Yeah, you know what I mean.

1286
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 4: I think there's also that comedian thing too, of like, yeah,

1287
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 4: we chose to do the same thing in the same place,

1288
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 4: so we probably had And this is the good part

1289
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 4: about any group similar struggles. We can relate over this.

1290
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 4: I'm probably traumatized by the similar things, and so you

1291
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 4: can understand uniquely the contours of what my feelings are

1292
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 4: because you had that experience, and that is what everything

1293
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 4: creative we do writing or whatever is trying to get

1294
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 4: to with other people. And then when somebody has that

1295
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 4: experience where it's like, well, if you have the same

1296
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 4: experience as me, I don't need to write a joke

1297
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Speaker 4: explaining what that experience is for you. You just are

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Speaker 4: there with me. So like we don't even need that.

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Speaker 4: So the connection that we are trying to make across

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01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 4: humans and try to be less unknowable to our fellow

1301
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 4: man is like already there. So you can be like, oh, yeah,

1302
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 4: same place, same people. So I might be coming around

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01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 4: on hometown pride, but I am straight.

1304
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: So whatever. Yeah, No, there's well, and it's like our

1305
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: hometown pride is gay, like where we're like.

1306
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 4: It's just pride.

1307
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've invented gay pride literally.

1308
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: Because it's like where I'm not gonna be proud of

1309
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: where I'm from, I guess I would have gay pride.

1310
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: Well okay, but literally what you're saying, it's true. It's

1311
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 2: like any kind of cultural pride, like if we have

1312
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: pride in the fact that like like our Bruce Springsteen

1313
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 2: is Judy Garland, like it's just because like she has

1314
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: been chosen as the saint literally the community and that's literally.

1315
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: Why like Stan culture fights so hard.

1316
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah wow, stand culture is just hometown pride for

1317
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: people who are not from anywhere.

1318
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: Interesting, right, But I also think that pride without borders.

1319
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah wow wow, No, it's.

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01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 4: I mean it is like this. I mean, the stand

1321
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 4: culture thing does speak to this natural craziness of defending

1322
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 4: something that is outside yourself, that's not you. You're building

1323
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 4: your identity around, and it feels like we can do

1324
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 4: that for anything. Where it's like the way the way

1325
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 4: I see people go so hard for Nicki, like so hard,

1326
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 4: the most awful for Nicki Minach, who is not even

1327
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 4: for Nicki who had good hits for like a little

1328
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 4: bit of time a while ago. And I mean, bleep

1329
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 4: it out if the nicky stands are gonna come for

1330
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 4: me bar because I can't do but it's like insane

1331
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 4: to me that level. But like people will do that

1332
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 4: for that or like some town in Idaho. Yeah, but

1333
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 4: at least that's land. At least that's like property that

1334
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 4: you can own. That's different. That's different, but it's like primordial.

1335
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 4: It's just weird like this, like this like self preservation

1336
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 4: has then inside like what we need to do has

1337
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 4: then turned into like I'm gonna get online and bully

1338
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 4: somebody for a K pop band.

1339
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is why we need to make homes

1340
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: more affordable, because people just buy a home. They would

1341
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: defend that, and they wouldn't need to defend the humanas true.

1342
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 4: I know, it's almost like you're onto something. We take

1343
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 4: all the housing market back, and then stand culture goes away.

1344
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: Because we all have the need to defend. Unfortunately, humans

1345
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: have a military.

1346
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's a militaristic mindset. It's also an ego

1347
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 2: based mindset because I think every single thing you are

1348
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: quote proud of, it's almost like you are bringing it

1349
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 2: in and now this is part of me, and now

1350
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: this is part of me, and now this is part

1351
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 2: of me, and you're making yourself like bigger and it's

1352
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 2: all feeding into your ego, which then makes you feel

1353
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: more invincible and also more offended when someone you know

1354
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: attacks some part of you.

1355
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 4: It's so crazy the way I will get I don't

1356
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 4: do it anymore because I'm like kind of aware of it,

1357
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 4: but I feel when somebody really doesn't like something that

1358
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 4: I like and goes hard at it, and then I

1359
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 4: start being like, oh I guess I don't like that person.

1360
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 4: It's like, whoa wait a second, Like that's that's not

1361
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 4: a part of me. I just like it, and they

1362
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 4: hate it, and I go, well, I guess I don't

1363
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 4: like you. You hate Tyler the Creator.

1364
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: I hate you. I mean, I think it's a good

1365
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: way to sort of weed people out something.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's true, and it does work, but it

1367
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 4: is strange because it's like, well, that's also a third

1368
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 4: party that has nothing to do with us, really, so

1369
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 4: what are we attaching to?

1370
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to tell. This sucks because I actually

1371
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: had a point and I lost it. And don't you

1372
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: hate that when you're podcasting and you forget what you're

1373
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: gonna say.

1374
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 4: That's why I don't have a podcast.

1375
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: Damn. It really sucks because it was probably the smartest

1376
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: best point yet.

1377
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 4: You know, and I knew that. I knew you were

1378
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 4: going to cap it off with like the smartest best point,

1379
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 4: because you always do that.

1380
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: Because you wait till the end for the best point.

1381
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 4: And then it sort of culminates.

1382
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, you're like, I gotta we knew that was

1383
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 2: happening too, Scott. Scott. We were sort of being like

1384
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: hype meant we were like, all right, let's like keep

1385
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 2: this going and make no b Rade points back and forth,

1386
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 2: back and forth, and Sam is gonna come with the

1387
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 2: final home run.

1388
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's what's really complicated about it pretty much

1389
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: is because because it was going to be out of

1390
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: the park too.

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Speaker 4: What would you say you have the most pride in?

1392
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:04,919
Speaker 4: Is it just gay?

1393
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: Is it gay?

1394
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 4: I'm I'm genuinely asking you know about yourself.

1395
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: I actually have the point go. This was part of

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01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: kind of what was weird when the fires were happening

1397
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, I fucking love this is my

1398
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: fucking city, because I was like, I actually don't have

1399
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: a connection to lay and yet I'm living here. And

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01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: it's confusing as like because I can't be like, yeah,

1401
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: like we love you because I was like, well, I've

1402
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: spent the last year shit talking to La. It would

1403
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: be so insane for me now to be like I stand.

1404
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: But it's also like don't burn down. Yeah I don't

1405
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: need to burn down, and I don't yeah, yeah not,

1406
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:41,919
Speaker 1: I can't.

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01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 4: It's like I can't talk shit even though I have

1408
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 4: been like now that's over, I'm not gonna If I'm

1409
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 4: being honest, I still don't love it, but I appreciate

1410
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 4: that people who do love it, and everybody should still

1411
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 4: have their houses. But it's still just kind of like, oh,

1412
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 4: I guess I'll just like sit back and then sort

1413
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 4: of just kind of post go fundmes or whatever.

1414
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: It was really like, oh wow, eggs on my face.

1415
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: Like the person that you've like shit talked for the

1416
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: last year get to hit by a car and you're like,

1417
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: oh damn, my bad. Did not intend for that to happen.

1418
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 4: Well, it's just like I didn't. I didn't hate you

1419
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 4: like that, and I didn't think anything bad should happen.

1420
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 4: I just didn't, you know, like want to hang out.

1421
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: It's kind of like that i'd want you to die.

1422
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't feel that way about it.

1423
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: But to answer your question, I think I feel it's

1424
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: somewhere between maybe a mixture of gay and New York.

1425
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: Okay, George, Yeah, I would say I mean I do

1426
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: think ultimately, almost in a sort of jokey ironic way,

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01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 2: I do think it is I love talking about being Greek,

1428
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 2: and it's like a fun thing to talk about, and

1429
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 2: it sets and it like it's fun to almost in

1430
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: the way that I feel like this would also be

1431
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 2: the case if I was like a Talian or something like.

1432
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 2: It's like, I am fully just like a white American person,

1433
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 2: So it's funny to pretend that I'm for.

1434
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 4: Well, you gotta like attach yourself to something like even

1435
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 4: if it's irony pilled you still, I mean, and to

1436
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 4: be fair.

1437
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 2: Like I do feel I mean, that is where I

1438
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: go home, that is where my family lives. Like I

1439
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 2: go there. It's like I do feel connected to it.

1440
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 2: But I certainly am not like or like I'm not

1441
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 2: an immigrant or like a foreign person in the way

1442
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 2: that like my parents were when they first moved here.

1443
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 2: Obviously it passes American, right, it almost feels like a

1444
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 2: betrayal to use very like American humor to talk about

1445
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 2: how different I am and how Greek I am.

1446
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 4: Right, I feel that way. I feel like, yeah, you're

1447
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 4: sort of resisting the.

1448
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: Cause.

1449
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 4: To me, that sounds like you're heading off criticism that

1450
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 4: like nobody's making in your face. But you're thinking that like, okay,

1451
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 4: but Greek people would see it like this, And yet

1452
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 4: I know who I'm speaking to when I talk about

1453
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 4: this stuff, and I yeah, I feel the same way

1454
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 4: about being black obviously, just because it's like a yes,

1455
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 4: I am black and I was raised with that, but

1456
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 4: also like I was adopted and raised by white people,

1457
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 4: so it was always like an in like an all

1458
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 4: white place, so it was always a very outsider thing.

1459
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 4: It wasn't as much of like, I'm black in a

1460
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 4: community of black people and all this stuff. It was

1461
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 4: very like this is sort of for the most of

1462
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 4: the time of problem. And I think I reacted to

1463
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 4: that as a kid and as a young adult, trying

1464
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 4: to sort of downplayed as much as possible or be

1465
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 4: tokenizer all this whatever, and then sort of realizing that,

1466
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to have that just be

1467
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 4: an accessory in this way, and having realized that and

1468
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 4: understood and respected my past have been like yes, I

1469
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 4: am different or whatever to a lot of different people.

1470
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 4: I feel like my pride sort of centers around like

1471
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 4: understanding who I am with regards to race and culture,

1472
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yeah, I'm this and I have to

1473
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 4: be this way. And I think that I understand all

1474
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 4: the reactions to me from all these different kinds of people,

1475
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 4: and yet I still am myself. I feel like I

1476
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 4: have pride in my own blackness and the way I've

1477
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 4: understood it, and I feel the same way because it's like, well, no,

1478
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 4: I'm not exactly like whatever, but like you know, I'm

1479
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 4: aware of that and I accept that about myself, and

1480
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 4: I think it's good. I think it's okay to be

1481
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 4: prideful about stuff.

1482
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: Well, it's also it's interesting, like, obviously my experience is

1483
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 2: in no way directly related, but being proud of a

1484
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 2: marker of difference rather than something that you are in community,

1485
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 2: rather than something that connects you to community is sort

1486
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: of an interesting point because I remember, like when we

1487
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 2: lived in the States, I felt different because like my

1488
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 2: parents had accents, like they we didn't know a lot

1489
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 2: of things about American culture that everyone else around me

1490
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 2: and you or whatever. And then I thought that I

1491
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: would when we move back to Greece, that I would

1492
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: immediately feel an innate part of that community because so

1493
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: far I had felt different. But in fact, then when

1494
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 2: we move back to Greece, I felt more American because

1495
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 2: all my references were American blah blah. So all of

1496
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 2: that is to say, to your point, the thing that,

1497
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 2: if anything is connected to any kind of natural pride

1498
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 2: was always like a marker of difference rather than a

1499
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 2: marker of like solidarity.

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01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 4: Right, and you can still be in solidarity with people,

1501
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 4: but you also understand how much different you are in

1502
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 4: no matter where you go. And it can feel really

1503
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 4: bad sometimes. But I think because it is something that

1504
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 4: feels bad is something you have to accept about yourself

1505
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 4: and be prideful in. Otherwise I think that really sort

1506
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 4: of will ruin you emotionally.

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01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: Yes, so amen, Amen, Well, I know.

1508
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,560
Speaker 4: We should we do such a heavy episode. I know

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01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 4: I'm silly, man. I want people to know that Stradio

1510
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 4: Lab listeners. I like jokes and I'm not always bringing

1511
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 4: it down by talking about the differences between ourselves in

1512
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 4: the past and currently.

1513
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think this was serious but not

1514
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 1: too serious.

1515
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 2: I completely agree.

1516
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:11,879
Speaker 1: I think this was a good level of serious.

1517
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 4: I should have gone with Parkour.

1518
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 2: Wait, I do want to know what your other two

1519
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 2: were parkour and what.

1520
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: Else it was gonna be?

1521
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 4: Parkour cults.

1522
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: Oh, that's good, it is good parkour.

1523
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: Parkour is really good.

1524
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: It's really juicy. Parker's juicy.

1525
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 4: But I don't have a lot to say about it.

1526
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 4: You just feels it it.

1527
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: I actually have a lot to say about it, really,

1528
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: I fully because you're a stairs guy, so you were

1529
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: always right, I'm doing the stairs. I'm doing all types

1530
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 1: of shit on those stairs. No. When I was in college,

1531
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: I took a documentary making class and like they were like,

1532
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: you got to make a documentary about something. I chose

1533
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: the Parkour Club. Wow. And I literally like followed the

1534
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: parkourp Club And it was so funny because they were

1535
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: like not real like but they were like, we're actually

1536
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: going to like this other college for like a parkour

1537
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: jam jam. And there were like multiple park Corps clubs

1538
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: from multiple colleges, and I was like, this is like

1539
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: one of the weirdest groups of people I've ever been around.

1540
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 4: They gotta be weird.

1541
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: And like, I made this documentary that was like obviously

1542
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: so embarrassing and I would love to be able to

1543
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: find it again. But the documentary teacher I saw him

1544
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 1: like a year later, and he was like, hey, like

1545
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: I actually love your park coor documentary. My two sons

1546
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: watch it all the time, and it's like right because

1547
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: they're like eight year old boys who just want to

1548
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: see a guy do a flip.

1549
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 4: Like it's so embarrassing. How cool I thought it was.

1550
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 4: It's like such a thing because you're like, is guys

1551
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 4: moving so cool? You're amazing, you can be.

1552
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: I've talked about the things. George and I talked about

1553
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: the siren song of men's wear and how it like

1554
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 1: calls to us even though we know it's unethical and

1555
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: we think of it sort of like how an evangelical

1556
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: thinks about porn. And that's kind of how the siren

1557
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: song of Parkour also does call. Like sometimes when the

1558
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: algorithm takes over, I will start getting a couple more

1559
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: Parkour clips in there.

1560
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I feel like it's bad. I feel like

1561
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 4: it was gone and I you know, I watch as

1562
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 4: a kid, and now I see Parkour videos sometimes and

1563
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 4: I go, well, this is bad. That's actually kind of

1564
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 4: how I knew Trump was gonna win because park park

1565
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 4: four is back.

1566
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 2: That's what it is. I would rather watch Parkour videos

1567
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 2: than like most content that served of.

1568
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: Course at least amazing point.

1569
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 4: It's so cool.

1570
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 2: But it's literally all I get is like, get drag

1571
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 2: QUI sorry, no offense to wow to talk about right

1572
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 2: wing I literally give me Parkour.

1573
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 4: Not okay, but drag Parkour.

1574
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 2: No, there we go.

1575
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: I'm the Parkour Queen of Pittsburgh.

1576
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 2: We are like two seasons away from that happening.

1577
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: Of course, everyone's desperate to find anything that makes them unique.

1578
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: That's a good one, Parkour, Queen of Pittsburgh. All right,

1579
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: should we do our first our final segments? Sam, Yeah,

1580
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: it's our final segment, so Skyler. A final segment is

1581
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: called shout Outs, and in this segment we pay homage

1582
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: to the grand straight tradition of the radio shout out

1583
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 1: to anything that you are enjoying, people, places, things, ideas.

1584
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 1: Imagine two thousand and one, you're at TRL shouting out

1585
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: to your squad back home, but about anything that you like.

1586
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: George and I will go first, George, do you have one?

1587
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 2: I can think of one. I'm not gonna lie. I

1588
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 2: don't have one right now?

1589
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: Do you I have one? Okay, I will locked and

1590
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: loaded today.

1591
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 2: Okay, go go go.

1592
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 4: Um.

1593
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: Well, I actually have two, but I'm not sure which

1594
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to land on. Okay, okay, whatever. This will

1595
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: not be topical by the time this comes out, and

1596
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: that's okay. What's up freaks, losers and perverts around the globe.

1597
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: I want to give a huge shout out to FKA Twigs.

1598
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: You sexual the album it came out just last night

1599
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: and I sat up and I listened to it, and

1600
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: I said, damn, this is fucking good start to finish.

1601
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: I think she's doing something very interesting where her look

1602
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: has never been weirder and her music has never been

1603
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: more accessible to me. It's actually very gaga to be like,

1604
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: look how weird I look, but look how normal I sound.

1605
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: And I think it's a fun thing for her. And

1606
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff in there that George specifically,

1607
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: I think you would like. There's a lot of sort

1608
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: of ray of light vibes, a lot of like interesting

1609
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: niche pop references that I'm like, oh, now, this is interesting.

1610
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: When a cool girl does cool pop music, you really

1611
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: do notice a difference. And I am so happy and

1612
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: it's you know, every year of my life, I feel

1613
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: like I'm just sort of I'm like, is this the

1614
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: year that I have nothing to find joy over? And

1615
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: then boom something else comes and I say, look at me,

1616
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: go I have reason to live. Thank you FK Twigs.

1617
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: I love you. Xoxo, Sam.

1618
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 4: Wow, that was great. I got a lot to say

1619
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 4: about FK Twigs.

1620
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: I was very blown away.

1621
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm I'm really excited to listen. I sort of

1622
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 2: think she might be the only person that can save us,

1623
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 2: I think, and not to.

1624
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: Pit women against each other, but sort of hearing it,

1625
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, was the Brat thing like a psychosis?

1626
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 4: Like it wasn't mass well, you know, it's I listened

1627
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 4: to it now, honestly just started actually listening to it now,

1628
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 4: and I'm like, it's good, but it felt like so

1629
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 4: like it was again like with the culture and everything.

1630
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 4: It was so like this is what we are into.

1631
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 4: And there was where I started listening to it back

1632
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 4: then and I was just like okay, but like you

1633
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 4: with moving, I was like, I guess I'm just not

1634
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 4: gonna say anything because if I do, I'll be torn

1635
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 4: to shreds and then people will be like, well then

1636
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 4: what bullshit do you listen to? And I'll be like

1637
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm all over the place, and I

1638
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 4: don't want to do that.

1639
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I still don't get me wrong, I

1640
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 1: still love Brat, but there's something about this when I'm like,

1641
01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: this is like it's matures. There's something really something to it.

1642
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: So George, yeah, what do you think? No, I.

1643
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 2: I do think unfortunately, even though we all I think

1644
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: we all earnestly did like Bratt, and I loved it.

1645
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm on record, I still isn't to it. Whatever. Unfortunately,

1646
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 2: it got so big that when people do look back

1647
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 2: on it, they will look back on it with embarrassment

1648
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: in the way that we look back on like sorry,

1649
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 2: but like the Women's March, that's so truly I went

1650
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: to it, and I of course everyone needed to march,

1651
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 2: and like, I don't regret being part of it, but

1652
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 2: you can't not look back on it and be embarrassed

1653
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: like it just that is how it is.

1654
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: I think you're one hundred percent right, because that is

1655
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: I liked it. But then I'm seeing tiktoks that are

1656
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: trying me crazy. They're like, quote unquote analyzing the songs

1657
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: and it's like, you are the dumbest person I've ever heard.

1658
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: Right now, I don't like it. I don't like all

1659
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,560
Speaker 1: like that. There were two people dressed up as Apple's

1660
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 1: next to me at the fucking Sweat Tour. Good lord,

1661
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: I was furious.

1662
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 4: That's how I feel about Kendrick and Drake's whole beef.

1663
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 4: Now is I still get posts of people like talking

1664
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 4: about it in the terms of like, oh the battle

1665
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 4: and I'm like, that was Can we put it down?

1666
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 4: That was last year? You're still talking about Oh Drake's

1667
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 4: goof Yeah still, and I don't care anymore. That was

1668
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 4: fun for them. I don't care now. It's insane how

1669
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 4: much content I'm still getting about. Oh, you know the

1670
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 4: true hip hop heads.

1671
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: No, I don't care.

1672
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 4: I'm not a true hip hop head and I liked

1673
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 4: it at the time.

1674
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: Enough of that, Damn. It's tough. Okay, George, whenever you're ready, Yes, yes,

1675
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 1: I will go.

1676
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 2: Okay, what's up, vientophiles and wine drinkers. I want to

1677
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 2: give a shout out to Lambrusco. First of all, let

1678
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 2: me just say I think Lambrusko is absolutely disgusting. But

1679
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 2: what I want to give a shout out to is

1680
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 2: the confidence with which it presents itself. And even though

1681
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 2: I know that every time I have tasted it, I

1682
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 2: haven't liked it. You know you hear you say, Oh,

1683
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 2: sometimes I want to read wine. Sometimes I want to

1684
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 2: be cold, maybe a little maybe a little fizz. Oh

1685
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 2: that sounds kind of nice. Maybe I will get a

1686
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 2: glass Lambersco each time you want to send it back,

1687
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 2: And so I sort of I want to become the

1688
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 2: Lambrusco of you know, writer performers, where even if people

1689
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 2: do not like what I'm offering, they say, oh, I

1690
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 2: wonder what that George has to say. And even if

1691
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 2: each time they keep coming back and keeping like that

1692
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 2: was honestly kind of a flop, they keep buying tickets.

1693
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 2: So I think we only need to adopt the Lambrusco mentality.

1694
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 2: It is much more about a about marketing than it

1695
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 2: is about the essence of it. I think I think

1696
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,719
Speaker 2: Lambrusco is the defining drink of the of the Biden

1697
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 2: and second Trump era. We all need to channel our

1698
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 2: inner Lambrusko if we want to be famous in this

1699
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 2: crazy connected world. You guys, shout out to Lambrusco.

1700
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 1: Huge shout out.

1701
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 4: Whoa Wow.

1702
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: Okay Skyler, whenever you are ready, Okay, all right, I

1703
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 1: have yeah, I have one.

1704
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 4: Shout out to those really big trucks, the Fords, the

1705
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 4: f four, fifties, one fifties, whatever is the huge trucks

1706
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 4: that the white guys with the Oakley's drive. Shout out

1707
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 4: to those, they're so big. I hope you finally feel

1708
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 4: secure in your masculinity from driving those. I hope that

1709
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,719
Speaker 4: you find some sort of meaning in driving a truck

1710
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 4: where you're above everybody, can see everybody, And I hope

1711
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 4: it makes you feel safe. I hope you feel hugged

1712
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 4: and safe inside those huge, huge trucks because they guzzle

1713
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 4: so much gas and it's got to be so expensive

1714
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 4: for you. But what price is too much to feel

1715
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 4: like a real man? And I hope you enjoy driving

1716
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 4: that around and trying to park, and I hope it's

1717
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 4: all worth it, even though I know you don't have

1718
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,839
Speaker 4: shit to haul. Shout out to those big old trucks.

1719
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 1: Whoo whoo damn, those trucks really are fucking big, so

1720
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: big talk about I mean, I hate to always be

1721
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: this person, but I'm like, when will the government step in?

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Speaker 1: Never ban these fucking drugs.

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Speaker 4: The trucks is like that's second underguns for like those people.

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Speaker 4: They want them in those amendments.

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Speaker 1: Because I love those like little old trucks. I'm like, oh,

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01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: how cute. Yeah, But those big ones, I'm like, this

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Speaker 1: is fucking huge.

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Speaker 4: It's again hometown stuff. When I every time I visit,

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Speaker 4: I will see because you don't really see them out

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Speaker 4: you'll see them more out here. You don't see them

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Speaker 4: in New York or Chicago or whatever. I go back

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Speaker 4: to Salt Lake. They're huge. People are driving them around

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Speaker 4: and they look almost like monster trucks, and you're like,

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Speaker 4: why do you need to drive that? What is going on?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I do the impression I get of Salt

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Speaker 2: Lake City and I have never been there. Is there

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01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 2: is just so much space that people are like, what

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Speaker 2: if we feel it? Like, it's just it's crazy. And

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Speaker 2: this is mostly from watching the Real Housewives.

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Speaker 4: It's true, it's just it's it's really like weirdly like

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01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 4: you know, obviously cultish, but like also like way more

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Speaker 4: white trash than people think very much, because it's you know,

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Speaker 4: the American West shot out.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to there too well S Tyler, thanks for

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Speaker 1: doing the pod. This has been a real treat.

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01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. Hope to see you guys again soon.

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01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: Do you want to pluge anything? We're bad at that?

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01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm doing a show at Union Hall on March.

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Speaker 1: Hey, now our listeners know where that is.

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01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 4: Y'all know where that is, so if you want to

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01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 4: come and see me make jokes instead of really like

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01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 4: getting into it about our deep feelings about who we

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01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 4: are in the world. Then come to that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all I'm doing, PERF and watch after midnight.

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01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 5: Why not watch after midnight on CBS and check out

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01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 5: the Oscars. Check out the Oscars on ABC. They're gonna

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01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 5: be so mad.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, bye bye.

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