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Speaker 2: You wanna, let's just maybe walk up to the tracks

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Speaker 2: and look and see like that vandage point, and then

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Speaker 2: we'll walk down to where she was bound.

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Speaker 1: This investigation has taken us many places and led us

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Speaker 1: all around the city of New Orleans. Well. One place

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Speaker 1: we've spent a lot of time in is the area

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Speaker 1: where Jessica's body was found back in August of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: As you walk down Kenilworth Street and look over at

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Speaker 1: the rows of houses, it makes you wonder could one

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Speaker 1: of Jessica's two thousand plus neighbors have seen something? Could

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Speaker 1: they know something? Could there still be evidence hidden somewhere

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Speaker 1: in the small field where her body laid. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot to take in here and a lot of things

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Speaker 1: to consider. All right, let's walk this way. But on

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Speaker 1: this day, what has our attention is the street sign

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Speaker 1: at the intersection of Orleans Avenue in Kenilworth Street, just

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Speaker 1: a short walk from the field where Jessica's body laid,

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Speaker 1: A roadside memorial inside a rather upscale neighborhood, it seems

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Speaker 1: out of place. Sticking out from the ground is a

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Speaker 1: large wooden cross bearing Jessica's name. A neighbor actually made

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Speaker 1: it and placed it there. Tied to the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the cross are a teddy bear and a bundle of

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Speaker 1: pink and purple silk flowers. Just above the memorial, Attached

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Speaker 1: to the pole is a custom flyer, giving a little

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Speaker 1: more context to any unknowing passers by. It's faded from

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Speaker 2: The plastic sign is now bent and just kind of

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Speaker 2: waving in the breeze. It's almost somber out here by itself.

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Speaker 3: It's very sad it's got the crime stoppers number. What

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Speaker 3: happened to Jessica Easterly And contrary to.

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Speaker 1: The memorial, the flyer was actually Audrey's doing. She figured

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Speaker 1: if anyone had any information, there was a good chance

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Speaker 1: they'd be a resident of Lakeview. Her hope was that

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Speaker 1: posting signs around the neighborhood would maybe open some doors

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Speaker 1: or at the very least bring awareness to her sister's case.

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Speaker 1: You can definitely say they got people's attention.

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Speaker 4: I remember the missing posters going around, and I was like,

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Speaker 4: nobody goes missing in Lakeview. That's something that happens on

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Speaker 4: like dateline. I never would have thought it would have

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Speaker 5: We're still like, how did this happen here? Like? What

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Speaker 4: I just feel very strongly because it's my neighborhood, and

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Speaker 4: because I have become friends with Audrey, that I feel

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Speaker 1: When Audrey came up with the idea of posting signs

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Speaker 1: of it. All. She knew is she was in a

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Speaker 1: The old adage it takes a village right true in

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Speaker 1: signs Audrey posted did have an effect on some locals.

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Speaker 1: How could it not. This type of thing doesn't happen

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Speaker 4: Lakeview is one of the safest neighborhoods in New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: That's one of the reasons why I moved here.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura, a Lakeview resident.

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Speaker 4: I grew up Uptown, and then when I got married

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Speaker 4: as you can see right now in the afternoon, people

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Speaker 4: a very family friendly neighborhood. Like completely, you can feel

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Speaker 1: We're seated under the shade of a carefully groomed tree,

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Speaker 1: It's an idyllic setting. Again, not the kind of place

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Speaker 4: I remember the missing posters going around. I think it

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Speaker 4: then I was like, been involved with that ever since,

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Speaker 4: because I have friends that are like, Laura, why are

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Speaker 4: you involved you, Harley, You didn't even know her, you

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Speaker 1: When the preschool teacher first learned that Jessica was missing,

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Speaker 5: I was like, she's she's dead. Wherever she is, she's dead.

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Speaker 1: Of course it wouldn't take long for that notion to

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Speaker 1: Laura had an instant reaction to the news.

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Speaker 5: She was murdered when she went missing.

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Speaker 4: I was like, she was murdered, Like people don't go

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Speaker 4: Like if there was a missing person, like it would

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Speaker 5: It was really nowhere.

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Speaker 4: It was like from Jessica's friend Maria posting on her

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Speaker 4: next Door app and like I put it on there,

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Speaker 1: From that, Laura quickly noticed that Jessica's friend Maria was

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Speaker 4: I privately messaged her friend Maria and was like, I

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Speaker 5: I know you don't know me. I did not know Jessica.

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Speaker 4: If there's anything I can do on the grounds here,

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Speaker 4: like I can be your eyes here, and I kind

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Speaker 1: Over the years, Laura has formed quite a bond with

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Speaker 1: Laura would get in touch with Audrey and she hasn't

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Speaker 4: I feel like I've become like part of friends with Audrey,

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Speaker 4: I've been talking to her since twenty nineteen. People say

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Speaker 4: that my husband says it too, like, Waur, why is

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Speaker 5: You don't even know?

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Speaker 4: Her voice is gone, She's dead, like that cross that

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Speaker 4: we're the ones that put it there. And I emailed

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Speaker 4: Audrey and I asked her, do you want us to

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Speaker 4: not looking for a reward, I'm not looking for anything.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for literally justice for her. Like I believe

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Speaker 4: the NOPD has not done their job. Doesn't take rocket

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Speaker 4: science to figure this out, you know. And I understand

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Speaker 4: you can't just arrest somebody you don't have enough evidence,

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Speaker 4: I would call NPD third District Lebrono. He does not

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Speaker 4: Every Wednesday of the month, it's the first Wednesday every

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Speaker 4: tell me anything about the case, but is there anything

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Speaker 4: know it's still under investigation, so you're not allowed to

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Speaker 4: He did not want to hear Sam and I when

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Speaker 4: So I'll drive by and I always see cars parked

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Speaker 4: there was always always a range drover there. Right when

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Speaker 1: She thinks it was about six months after Jessica's death

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Speaker 4: It's still weird to me out I'm like her car

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Speaker 1: For the past year, and more recently, in October of

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Speaker 4: So I drove by and it was a futon and

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Speaker 5: It was like nighttime.

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Speaker 4: I called Audrey and she was like, will you drive

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Speaker 1: It's not just Laura who feels this way. Many neighbors

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Speaker 6: We were walking the dog, were heading towards City Park,

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Speaker 6: I think Margaret spotted a woodpecker and this tree, and

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Speaker 1: An id peculiar, yes, but also not the strangest thing

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Speaker 1: But Chuck was about to learn that this wasn't just

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Speaker 6: And it appeared from looking at it, it was kind

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Speaker 1: Killed at the time Chuck had no idea what Margaret

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Speaker 7: I had heard about it because I had surgery in

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Speaker 1: That same day, an officer with the NPD came out

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Speaker 6: It seems kind of weird that, you know, you find

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Speaker 1: Initially it was difficult to make sense of this. One

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Speaker 1: both had her name listed as Jessica Easterly her maiden name.

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Speaker 1: Both had issue dates of twenty nineteen, and both had

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Speaker 9: So when I found out that the couple in Lakeview

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Speaker 1: Again, send it to him all over again.

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Speaker 8: And so I sent it all over to him again,

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Speaker 9: And then finally on August sixth, I talked to mister

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Speaker 1: This was a small win for Audrey and the rest

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Speaker 4: I feel like my constant pushing got somewhere because he

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Speaker 4: And Joe, our council member, he would email the corner

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Speaker 5: Harass the coroner.

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Speaker 4: I mean, which is so sad that you have to

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Speaker 1: Just as a reminder, at this point, when the Public

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Speaker 4: I mean it's almost been two years, and there literally

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Speaker 4: I feel like NPD messed up so much in the

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Speaker 1: Laura believes someone out there holds the answer, and she

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Speaker 3: When I realized that he thought I was somebody else,

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Speaker 3: would happen. I'll never believe anything else happened.

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