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Speaker 1: to Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis. I come to you from
Speaker 1: a virtual room filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg
Speaker 1: Rose with all what's up boys? Well on the NFL?
Speaker 1: World is buzzing after that big ending today we have
Speaker 1: to use those darts. Sometimes animals have rights, but they
Speaker 1: have limited rights. There are times when animal rights um
Speaker 1: should not interfere with your your actions. It always makes
Speaker 1: me a little bit uncomfortable. And Greg gets close on
Speaker 1: the mic. Whatever it is the inflectionment of his voice.
Speaker 1: I don't know, a little creepy. That's all guys, keep
Speaker 1: you on your toes. You do you do, and that's
Speaker 1: why we love you. Greg. It's the flagship show week eleven.
Speaker 1: How about that played all the games that didn't even
Speaker 1: get shut down by one pandemic incident? So we're flying.
Speaker 1: What is week ten that we don't want to We
Speaker 1: don't want to get you know to where we'll be
Speaker 1: next Sunday at this time. Um, Yes, a lot of
Speaker 1: great action to get to and as Greg alluded, to
Speaker 1: their with the close talking on the mic the ending
Speaker 1: of the year, I believe maybe to this point, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go ahead, let's say that will not
Speaker 1: be beat. Now, surprise me to go out there our
Speaker 1: league and surprise me top it. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if it gets topped. What happened in the desert in Glendale.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's going on with Hail Mary's in that
Speaker 1: stadium in Arizona. It's crazy. No, I thought that, Josh.
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna probably get to it a second,
Speaker 1: but it's like that Josh Allen throw I thought was
Speaker 1: the throw of the week. All right, yes, listen, obviously
Speaker 1: we're so excited to talk about it. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to talk about that Brown's game to Mark you hang
Speaker 1: in there. It a little later in the show, No
Speaker 1: more barn it's been burned to the ground in Cleveland. Uh,
Speaker 1: what an affair that was. But yes, before we get
Speaker 1: to another Cleveland Browns victory, let's start with the a forementioned.
Speaker 1: That's two alf forementioned games of the year. Game of
Speaker 1: the year. Let's go clean it up. Twenty five yards downfield,
Speaker 1: Murray back to throw, flushed out, rolling left in trouble,
Speaker 1: slips a tackle, gotta launch it. He does left side
Speaker 1: into the end zone jump ball, and it is Is
Speaker 1: it caught? Is it cost? Oh? My goodness, son, DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins caught it. He caught it for a tockdown with
Speaker 1: one second lap. I can't believe him. You've got to
Speaker 1: be joking me. Hopkins reaches up with three defenders around him,
Speaker 1: head pulls it in and the card goes laid at
Speaker 1: thirty two to thirty with a second lap, you can't comber.
Speaker 1: Duke Dave passed. And of course that was the Wolfman
Speaker 1: Ron Wolfie for kt K T a R. And he
Speaker 1: got a hand to him. Those are real broadcasters. If
Speaker 1: I was calling that game and if it was my team,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure they're rooting for the Cardinals, so let's
Speaker 1: say if I'm rooting for the Jets and that would happen,
Speaker 1: I would be like, holy fun. Can you believe what
Speaker 1: just happened? He caught the mocking ball. Well, that's why
Speaker 1: you're doing this job. It's no credit to them for
Speaker 1: holding it all together. The Hail Murray, that's what we're
Speaker 1: calling it. That's what I'm calling it. Copyright Mike Tariko
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray to DeAndre Hopkins, we thank you for your service,
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien. Kyler Murray was flushed out of the pocket,
Speaker 1: rolled to the sideline, unfurled the perfect ball fifty yards downfield,
Speaker 1: and then Nuke showed why he's one of the best,
Speaker 1: grabbing that ball away from three Bills defenders. Game winning score,
Speaker 1: final score, Cardinals thirty two Bills thirty. Unbelievable. And you
Speaker 1: rewatched the play, and then we all did. We watched
Speaker 1: the replays. It seemed like the Bills did almost everything right.
Speaker 1: I saw Dungee and Chris Sims on the NBC pregame
Speaker 1: show getting getting on Buffalo's defense a little bit for
Speaker 1: playing too much coverage underneath when they should have been
Speaker 1: focused more on the back end. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, they almost got Murray for a sack,
Speaker 1: came that close, flushed him all the way out of
Speaker 1: the pocket until he was falling out of bounds, heaving
Speaker 1: the ball up in the air, and then had to
Speaker 1: he had hoped they had Hopkins bracketed in coverage with
Speaker 1: a third guy flying in, and it still didn't matter
Speaker 1: because the best players won the damn games. It's ridiculous
Speaker 1: because the catches, you know, one of the great catches
Speaker 1: we've ever seen, and you feel bad for Trunavious White,
Speaker 1: you know, in all pro you feel bad for Jordan.
Speaker 1: Jordan's poyer, who I think this year is a pro bowler,
Speaker 1: because those guys are posterized. I mean they people aren't
Speaker 1: kind of blaming them for that loss, but they have
Speaker 1: their men, they have pride, and those pictures of just
Speaker 1: Hopkins reaching above the three Bills defenders is real. But
Speaker 1: on top of one of the great catches we've ever seen,
Speaker 1: Murray's play was unreal. He not only did a little
Speaker 1: hesitation as he's scrambling to his left as a right
Speaker 1: handed quarterback kind of does the little pause that that
Speaker 1: makes I think it was Jerry Hughes dive at him,
Speaker 1: but could be wrong. There Um to evade the sack
Speaker 1: before throwing it while sprinting to his right like and
Speaker 1: then putting it in the exact right spot. Obviously, you
Speaker 1: get a little bit of luck there um that you
Speaker 1: have someone as good as DeAndre Hopkin, but there's nothing
Speaker 1: lucky about the ability to be able to throw on
Speaker 1: the run like that all the way to the end zone.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost very, very very few people, maybe
Speaker 1: only the guy I mentioned before, Aaron Rodgers, could make
Speaker 1: a throw like that. I think it's like an incredible
Speaker 1: um intersection between two teams that see each other once
Speaker 1: every four years. They were so different four years ago,
Speaker 1: and they'll be so different when they meet again. Um,
Speaker 1: two teams that have aggressively built around their quarterbacks. Because
Speaker 1: the story of the game was almost Stephen Diggs, the
Speaker 1: free agent acquisition of Buffalo making what would have been
Speaker 1: a game winning catch. Instead it becomes um new Copkins. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the the biggest trade of the off season
Speaker 1: and paying off for these teams. They built around these
Speaker 1: two young quarterbacks in such an effective way. I mean,
Speaker 1: and the idea to go get Kyler Murray when most
Speaker 1: people thought that that was an insane idea because you
Speaker 1: had Josh Rosen on the roster. So these are aggressive
Speaker 1: front offices. Um, it is paying off right now. And
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is just simply a complete pleasure to the
Speaker 1: eyes watching him play and change the quarterback position. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, right before our eyes, the quarterback position is
Speaker 1: completely changing. And you know it's good timing because on
Speaker 1: Thursday I didn't get much back from you guys on it,
Speaker 1: So maybe I was reading it wrong, but I kind
Speaker 1: of gotten the vibe this year that despite Murray taking
Speaker 1: the leap, it's almost like everyone assumed he was going
Speaker 1: to do it going into the season, so when he
Speaker 1: did do it, there wasn't as much of a hullabaloo
Speaker 1: around it, whereas Lamar Jackson's leap last year there was
Speaker 1: a little more like, is this guy gonna actually be
Speaker 1: that guy? And then what he was? It just built
Speaker 1: into the mania around his second season. But I think
Speaker 1: you also saw with the two the two touchdown runs
Speaker 1: by Murray, uh this pass that we are watching someone
Speaker 1: that should absolutely be in the m VP conversation. And
Speaker 1: I think he moves ahead of Russell Wilson after today.
Speaker 1: And he is an absolute transcendent talent that we you
Speaker 1: don't see every every decade. That and we have Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Kyler Murray both in this league. I don't
Speaker 1: think that we've seen two guys entered the league within
Speaker 1: a few years of each other that are this special,
Speaker 1: uh really ever, And on the bill side, you know,
Speaker 1: Stevan Diggs was a trade also and they got that
Speaker 1: they gave up a first rounder to get Diggs and
Speaker 1: Isaiah Mackenzie, the Bills receiver. You could pick it up
Speaker 1: on the parabolic mikes. When he went to celebrate with Diggs,
Speaker 1: who's saying, that's why you're here, That's why you're here
Speaker 1: to win games, and he nearly with Josh Allen because
Speaker 1: Alan deserves critics. Was a great throw, uh save the
Speaker 1: Bills from what would have been um well as a
Speaker 1: loss either way. But they were flaming out in the
Speaker 1: second half with tons of penalties and misques and just
Speaker 1: not sharp at all, and it just looked like the
Speaker 1: Cardinals were gonna basically walk to win because the Bills
Speaker 1: fell apart in the second half. So the fact that
Speaker 1: they were able to dig out of that, get out
Speaker 1: of that funk, make an incredible play and then somehow
Speaker 1: still lose there there. Now they got the Dolphins right
Speaker 1: behind him in the ANFC East, and you have some
Speaker 1: scar tissue because this is about as bad as the
Speaker 1: lost gets in the regular seas. I mean, Dolphins Bills
Speaker 1: played each other Week's seventeen. I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: that's for the division or if Miami potentially isn't even
Speaker 1: a game ahead at that point, and you're right, it
Speaker 1: was a trade for digs. But think how many bills
Speaker 1: teams of old would have gone and gotten digs and
Speaker 1: you'd be in a dark timeline where none of it's
Speaker 1: working out. So I you know, I still give I
Speaker 1: give them a ton of credit for that. But I
Speaker 1: look at the Cardinals and say, they can beat any
Speaker 1: team in the NFL, they can beat any team in
Speaker 1: the NFC. I would not want to draw them in
Speaker 1: the playoffs at all if they're on their game, well
Speaker 1: their box office. I mean, think of these games they're
Speaker 1: putting up for us. That that Seahawks game was bananas.
Speaker 1: Last week against the Dolphins, which they lost was insane,
Speaker 1: and then this one. I don't really trust their defense.
Speaker 1: It's why I thought they were gonna lose this game. Um,
Speaker 1: they did make a couple of plays. You know, you
Speaker 1: can talk more about it, Dan, just you watch closer.
Speaker 1: They did force some turnovers by Josh Allen. I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily trust. I wouldn't put Kyler Murray had rust quite yet.
Speaker 1: I mean the first month. It still matters, but he
Speaker 1: was struggling passing the ball. But I don't think it's
Speaker 1: an exaggeration to say, there's a solid chance Lamar and
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray are the two greatest runners that have ever
Speaker 1: played quarterback now and the position is changing. It was
Speaker 1: really well said Mark. And maybe there's gonna be more
Speaker 1: and more quarterbacks like this. Maybe maybe there won't, but
Speaker 1: he he is gonna take a chance at breaking Lamar's
Speaker 1: rushing record from a year ago. And just the way
Speaker 1: he can make people miss is outrageous. And he's he's
Speaker 1: got more talent in terms of his arm the Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson as he hasn't been I wouldn't say consistent throwing
Speaker 1: this year, but he's been good enough in the offense
Speaker 1: is perfect for him. And uh and one final shout out,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to understate that throw. That
Speaker 1: throw by Josh Allen was one of the best throws
Speaker 1: I've seen any quarterback made all the year. He threw
Speaker 1: it from the opposite hash at the thirty. It's a
Speaker 1: no hole there there there, that's one of the like
Speaker 1: a very few arms in the history of the NFL
Speaker 1: are even strong enough to make that throw. It was
Speaker 1: a ridiculous throw. Before we move on and listen, Bills Mafia,
Speaker 1: if you must skip ahead about thirty seconds, but I
Speaker 1: do want to hear the call from John Murphy of
Speaker 1: w g R. Hit it. Ricky pressures rush for Buries
Speaker 1: in trouble, gets away from it, rolls to his left,
Speaker 1: fires it downfield, puts it up for grabs and it
Speaker 1: is caught. Caught, caught for a touchdown. Unbelievable, caught by
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, surrounded by a couple of those defenders. He
Speaker 1: went up and brought it down. Unbelievable, incredible, one second
Speaker 1: left on the clock. Yeah, Bills lose. Who very professional
Speaker 1: by John Murphy. Yeah. Together, And the real hero of
Speaker 1: the call was Steve Tasker. He added, Bills lose. Let's
Speaker 1: move on at the sound they run it right side
Speaker 1: Malcolm what a whole. He charges into the end zone
Speaker 1: with a touchdown line of scrimmage and found the paints
Speaker 1: hanging there. Bill's Mafia still first place. JB Long our
Speaker 1: buddy KSPN with the call. The Rams delivered a wait
Speaker 1: for it, Greggy statement win our Sunday at Hollywood Park,
Speaker 1: shutting down the powerful Seahawks offense and getting two rushing
Speaker 1: scores from Malcolm Brown Win Greg. The Rams have been
Speaker 1: a tough team to size up to this point, What
Speaker 1: did you learn about them today that I had that
Speaker 1: their cornerbacks right now, Darius Williams and Jalen Ramsey make
Speaker 1: a bigger difference in a offense first league than any
Speaker 1: pair of cornerbacks in the league. You know, Darius Williams
Speaker 1: a guy who picked off Russell Wilson twice today, one
Speaker 1: of one of them in the fourth quarter. To me,
Speaker 1: was the key play of the game and was just
Speaker 1: an incredible read, an incredible play, and he's made many
Speaker 1: of them. I would have him as a Pro bowler.
Speaker 1: I would say they've got two Pro bowlers right now,
Speaker 1: and this is a guy they picked up up the
Speaker 1: scrap heap for Baltimore. He's a third year player, but
Speaker 1: he's been incredible all year. And then you have Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey on the other side. They're leaving him single coverage
Speaker 1: against DK Metcalf the whole game, and Troy Aikman is
Speaker 1: losing his mind that Russell Wilson will not throw it
Speaker 1: to Metcalf, will not trust his guy one on one
Speaker 1: to Ramsey. That's the kind of talent, that's the kind
Speaker 1: of respect that Ramsey um in genders and he is
Speaker 1: playing like an all pro cornerback right now. So Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson was scrambled. We can get into that. But I
Speaker 1: think a really good running game. I'm glad we highlighted that,
Speaker 1: you know, to begin with. From the Rams. They got
Speaker 1: Jared goffin good situations and a really good defense right
Speaker 1: now has them as the most complete team in the
Speaker 1: NFC West. It's a three way, so I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're the best team. They're they're certainly the most
Speaker 1: boring team of the top three, but they're the most
Speaker 1: complete team. Well, I mean boring can be okay, I'm
Speaker 1: with you that they don't. They don't um, you know,
Speaker 1: capture the imagination necessarily, and they don't look like the
Speaker 1: most complete team in that division to me at times,
Speaker 1: except that there are fatal flaws with Seattle's defense, like
Speaker 1: where is the weakness? I guess you know. When I
Speaker 1: watched like them get taken completely apart by the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: it just left me with a lot of questions about
Speaker 1: the trajectory of this Rams teams that game against the
Speaker 1: I understand, I understand, but it was more about how
Speaker 1: they put Golf into a really tough situation that he
Speaker 1: wasn't unable to get out of in that game the
Speaker 1: way they pressured him, but to start fast with a
Speaker 1: field goal and two touchdowns today. And you know, I
Speaker 1: always thought that the Ramsey trade was rich um in
Speaker 1: terms of its cost, but if you have one of
Speaker 1: the few players that can do what he did today
Speaker 1: to DK metcalf and you know, Steve Weisch talked to
Speaker 1: him after the game and Ramsey is just like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna to tell everyone about this game plan and what
Speaker 1: we were gonna do, but he had to keep a
Speaker 1: lid on it. But it reminds me of when the
Speaker 1: Niners had when the Seahawks had Richard Sherman back in
Speaker 1: the day, and he just erased wide receivers against San
Speaker 1: Francisco and UH teams teams out West. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: this is absolutely gonna sound like if you're a Seahawks fan,
Speaker 1: um sour grapes from me. But I'm just keeping it
Speaker 1: real here. This was an interesting matchup with the defenses
Speaker 1: because Jalen Ramsey acquired for two first round picks. Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams required acquired for two first round picks. Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: because he's a cornerback. A race is DK Metcalf. Now
Speaker 1: that is the type of talent and the type of
Speaker 1: game changing type player that is worth giving up two
Speaker 1: first round picks. I wonder if Seattle could do it again,
Speaker 1: if they would still surrender those picks to the Jets
Speaker 1: for Jamal Adams and Greg You you had your eyes
Speaker 1: on this game. I know that Adams had what looked
Speaker 1: like an up and down day, made some plays near
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, but also uh struggled on a
Speaker 1: one running score by the sea by the Rams. But
Speaker 1: I just I think that's notable that this is a
Speaker 1: game that featured these two guys that were involved with
Speaker 1: blockbuster trades and involving two ones. Now that's a fair point,
Speaker 1: because there's no question Ramsey's more valuable, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're comparing, and it was similar what they gave up.
Speaker 1: Adams had two sacks in this game. He heard his shoulder.
Speaker 1: I think that's why he pulled up a little bit um,
Speaker 1: which is you know you do not want that, and
Speaker 1: he talked about that a little bit after the game.
Speaker 1: Their defense played fine, though, I mean the game ended
Speaker 1: with the Rams hunting three times in the second half
Speaker 1: and turning the ball over there was every chance for
Speaker 1: the Seahawks to come back in this game. They only
Speaker 1: give up twenty three points. I mean, it might have
Speaker 1: been their best game of the entire season. The Seahawks
Speaker 1: defense certainly was in terms of points allowed. Russ Wilson
Speaker 1: had by far as worst game. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: he said that this is now three out of four
Speaker 1: games that he's had three turnovers or more. One of
Speaker 1: them wasn't on him. It was a bad snap today
Speaker 1: that they charged the quarterback. I don't like it. By
Speaker 1: the way, why you should give that to the give
Speaker 1: it to the center. He throw us throw a ground
Speaker 1: volunteer quarterback's ankle and the quarterback gets a pull. That's
Speaker 1: beside the point because Russell Wilson's first interception was got awful.
Speaker 1: He could have run for a first down, maybe a touchdown,
Speaker 1: and he makes a crazy decision and it was It
Speaker 1: was part of what I think was the most memorable
Speaker 1: part of this game, which was he was foggy mentally
Speaker 1: the whole time. I can't remember him having such a
Speaker 1: bad game. Six that he took six sacks, twelve quarterback hits.
Speaker 1: A lot of those were on Russell Wilson was not
Speaker 1: getting rid of the ball. Maybe it was what the
Speaker 1: Rams were doing defensively had him scrambled um, but he
Speaker 1: was kind of seeing ghosts. He like there was four
Speaker 1: or five times where the blitz was coming and he
Speaker 1: kind of turtled and just like waited for it to
Speaker 1: get there and had his eyes down. And at the
Speaker 1: end of the game, he's taken the lay of games
Speaker 1: and they're barely moving the ball when they have to
Speaker 1: hurry up, And it was like, if I didn't know
Speaker 1: any better, I was worried, like he wasn't all there
Speaker 1: or something, because he was just so so different than
Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson you're used to. I find it interesting though,
Speaker 1: that you mentioned that you thought he was still hanging
Speaker 1: around atop the m v P race, because I feel
Speaker 1: like the last two weeks this is such a narrative
Speaker 1: driven award that he's melted away in that control beyond
Speaker 1: narrative driven, just results and these are impact games in
Speaker 1: the division where it four toner overs last week, and
Speaker 1: then what you're saying just now for well, I like
Speaker 1: I do try to think that the m v P
Speaker 1: race really gets going around now around Thanksgiving and right
Speaker 1: now his his bad month. Um or three weeks or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's been hurt some badly. But I think he's in
Speaker 1: it because he was so good the rest of it.
Speaker 1: And you know there's Rob you know, I wed put
Speaker 1: Rogers and my home's ahead of him right now. But
Speaker 1: I don't think he's out of it. People people overreact,
Speaker 1: I think to one week or two. If he goes
Speaker 1: off for the next month like he did in the
Speaker 1: first month, I don't think people are gonna be saying, well,
Speaker 1: it's over too late. The season does not start until
Speaker 1: I do. I don't mention one last thing in this
Speaker 1: game which could crush the Rams. Andrew Whitworth left which
Speaker 1: with an injury that looked like it parted the season ender.
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll we'll find out, but just by the
Speaker 1: the replays, it was pretty brutal there, and that's a killer.
Speaker 1: He's the left tackle and all Pro having an all
Speaker 1: Pro type of season. Big difference between this year's team
Speaker 1: and last year's team, besides Todd Gurley, is that the
Speaker 1: offensive line has been healthy and better this year and
Speaker 1: take away the left tackle. Look out thanks Giving back
Speaker 1: after this he brought one back for a touchdop on
Speaker 1: year this rap Wow, that perfect Jimmy Cephalo w q
Speaker 1: A M with the call. Every week the Dolphins seemed
Speaker 1: to get a game turning play from their defensive special teams.
Speaker 1: That happened again. Miami's block punts set up a short
Speaker 1: touchdown and to a tongue of Byla one for the
Speaker 1: third straight time as a starter with another efficient performance
Speaker 1: in a win. Mark. That's five in a row for
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, who have some serious mojo right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I picked that highlight of the UH turn over
Speaker 1: there it was a blocked punt. UM that's set up
Speaker 1: a Dolphin's touchdown too, for exactly what you mentioned that.
Speaker 1: I think this is just such a well coached team, UM.
Speaker 1: And when we talked on our preview show that you
Speaker 1: could see a mirror reflection at times between Brian Flores
Speaker 1: and and Bill Belichick. I think it comes down to
Speaker 1: really detailed the details. The special teams UM have made
Speaker 1: an impact every week, and you know every team focuses
Speaker 1: on that, but there are squads that float through the
Speaker 1: year where it doesn't appear that that UM, they lean
Speaker 1: on special teams to make game changing plays and this
Speaker 1: one it did. UM. That's set up a touchdown. I
Speaker 1: think the Dolphins were held today by Salmon Akhmed. They're
Speaker 1: running back, undrafted guy. They've had, they've had issue issues
Speaker 1: in the backfield, injuries, UM, just not a real lead
Speaker 1: after there. Um he came in and played really well,
Speaker 1: and I thought that he you know, for and undrafted back.
Speaker 1: He gave him some foundation they've wanted to give to
Speaker 1: a ground game. Um, it helped a little bit today.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something else on the special teams, like
Speaker 1: on the next on the next drive, where Miami was
Speaker 1: essentially um Miami, they were charging down the field and
Speaker 1: they were they were set up. They were up seven
Speaker 1: nothing after that initial uh you know turnover that set
Speaker 1: up the touchdown, they're just gonna go for the field goal.
Speaker 1: And the Chargers are sort of the opposite to me
Speaker 1: of the Dolphins, where I see a lot of questionable book,
Speaker 1: questionable coaching, a little bit lack of discipline. They had
Speaker 1: a key offsides on a fourth down UM field goal
Speaker 1: attempt by Miami. It's set up first down from Miami,
Speaker 1: and Miami scored again. It was fourteen nothing and then Greg,
Speaker 1: to your point, the one mistake on Miami's part that
Speaker 1: kept this thing closer than I think it would have
Speaker 1: been otherwise. I think the doors are about to come off.
Speaker 1: Um A center snap um to two that was botched.
Speaker 1: It was not two his fault at all, but it
Speaker 1: kind of bobbed out from away from two about eight
Speaker 1: yards back and the charges were turned it deep and
Speaker 1: made it fourteen seven, keeping it close. But this Dolphins
Speaker 1: defense erased Keenan Allen until basically a final touchdown on
Speaker 1: you know, not not garbage time, but with the game
Speaker 1: out of hand. Uh, you remove Keenan Allen from this offense.
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, I think was made uncomfortable, which links me
Speaker 1: back to what happened with Jared Goff when he faced
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. They find a way to put quarterbacks into
Speaker 1: tough spots happy again today. This is a really well
Speaker 1: coached team. You know, I was looking at the playoff
Speaker 1: seedings and all that stuff. The Dolphins were a you know,
Speaker 1: a figment a few weeks ago. They now sit in
Speaker 1: right in that in not in the hunt, but they're
Speaker 1: in that wild card race, having shoved the Browns and
Speaker 1: others out of the picture. So I would take this
Speaker 1: team very seriously. I think Bills fans should be, you know,
Speaker 1: looking around over their shoulders. This team is coming at them.
Speaker 1: How about two a f C East teams gonna make
Speaker 1: the playoffs, I believe, and the Patriots aren't gonna be
Speaker 1: one of them. What a change that they're like the
Speaker 1: special teams. It's funny how you can go into this
Speaker 1: game thing and this is the biggest mismatch you'll see
Speaker 1: all season and special teams and then and it happens.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Charges are the worst special teams in
Speaker 1: the league year after year, and the Dolphins are getting
Speaker 1: it done, uh pretty much every week. That the fact
Speaker 1: that they're winning game. They've won two games with two
Speaker 1: of where they didn't even you know, gain over three yards,
Speaker 1: that's pretty special. Like Herbert, like I was just looking
Speaker 1: at it, seems like it was the worst day of
Speaker 1: his career. And they're not helping him out by trying
Speaker 1: to turn this into the Kalin ballage revenge game and
Speaker 1: running it on early downs like Anthony Lynn likes to do. Well.
Speaker 1: They miss Austin Nichola. I really think that it will
Speaker 1: help to have him back, you know, both quarterbacks. Herbert
Speaker 1: made some awesome throws in this I just wasn't enough
Speaker 1: and the in the game flow went out of the
Speaker 1: went out of the out of the way for the
Speaker 1: Chargers to Uh. I mean, I just think he has um.
Speaker 1: It was not his best game and the numbers don't
Speaker 1: look great. He just moves really well outside of the pocket.
Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy to think that he's only played
Speaker 1: a couple of games. He seems um to process really
Speaker 1: well and Uh, he puts a couple of these balls
Speaker 1: just totally on the money. I mean, he's not scared
Speaker 1: of throwing a tight windows. He had a a toss
Speaker 1: today to Adam Sheen, who um, uh, you know, wonderful catch,
Speaker 1: but the throw was just an absolute dart and I
Speaker 1: think Dolphins fans should feel incredible hope for the first
Speaker 1: time in a while, there is There was a throw
Speaker 1: early in the game where Too was flushed out of
Speaker 1: the pocket and on the run dropped one over the
Speaker 1: linebackers and just out of the reach of the coverage
Speaker 1: men in the secondary. To Mike Jasecki, that looked just
Speaker 1: like Steve Young And that was the whole thing around
Speaker 1: to Uh entering right as he was getting Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: Lever level hype in college is when uh he busted
Speaker 1: up his hip. But that's what the That's what they say.
Speaker 1: He's potentially like a historically accurate dart thrower and a
Speaker 1: guy that um just can play efficient week after week.
Speaker 1: And that's what he's looked like. Herbert through just for
Speaker 1: ad and eighty seven yards on twenty of thirty two
Speaker 1: passing and uh we mentioned Anthony Lynn. Now the two
Speaker 1: and seven the Chargers and the season obviously is slipping
Speaker 1: away this This was a four game for the Chargers.
Speaker 1: They really kind of needed this, uh to find a
Speaker 1: way to just be on the periphery of the wildcard race.
Speaker 1: So you wonder if this is a team that is
Speaker 1: headed towards playing out the string status even with someone's
Speaker 1: fun as justin Herbert to watch. I saw something in
Speaker 1: the athletic this week they really thought was going to
Speaker 1: be the key year for Lynn and that that he
Speaker 1: had a pretty good job security. You know, the seven
Speaker 1: games a long time and things could change. I think
Speaker 1: it depends on how Herbert's playing, because I would be
Speaker 1: call about changing coaches in the system. If Herbert is
Speaker 1: playing lights out down the stretch. We had seven games,
Speaker 1: That's that's a long way to go though, so it
Speaker 1: could go bad or good. Yeah, all right, let's move
Speaker 1: up in motion. Trish Godslin, Brady hard Count hands the
Speaker 1: ball off Rocho pops at three across the fat head
Speaker 1: to the fifty twenty ro n to the thirty ro
Speaker 1: Joe to the forty ro joe to the fifty ro
Speaker 1: joe to the forty ro john to the thirty high
Speaker 1: stepper of the twenty and it'll be a ninety eight
Speaker 1: yard touchdown run by Ronald Jones. Listen, I could touchdown
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Wow, that's why they paid Dave Moore to
Speaker 1: be the color guy in that boot. Dugger off w
Speaker 1: f us with the call. Ronald Jones got some great
Speaker 1: blocking up run and then he did the rest, setting
Speaker 1: a franchise record with that ninety eight yard touchdown run
Speaker 1: as the Bucks ran away from the Panthers final score.
Speaker 1: You know, despite breathless reporting over the weekend on tarmac
Speaker 1: issues involving the team plane and then you know some
Speaker 1: you know, borderline lazy analysis early in the game. Oh
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Really, you know, it all goes back to
Speaker 1: the tarmac and they're after slow start. Oh jeez. The
Speaker 1: you know, between the media and the guys in the booth,
Speaker 1: they are obsessed with planes. Being stuck on tarmac, just
Speaker 1: gone down, let the game play out, because the Bucks
Speaker 1: absolutely assassinated the Panthers in this game. On defense, They've
Speaker 1: rolled up over five yards of offense and uh greg,
Speaker 1: they put last week's embarrassment against the Saints behind them.
Speaker 1: They did. It was such a great response by their offense,
Speaker 1: specifically because Ronald Jones fumbles the ball on the second
Speaker 1: play from scrimmage for the Bucks offense. And you know,
Speaker 1: the Panthers taken early lead, and the Panthers often scored
Speaker 1: their first three times they had the ball, but the
Speaker 1: Bucks after that Rojoe Fumball did not punt again the
Speaker 1: rest of the game. They scored every single possession the
Speaker 1: rest of the game, nine straight. And I think if
Speaker 1: you're a Bucks fan, you want to see the offense
Speaker 1: carry the team. Now was against the Panthers defense that
Speaker 1: struggled to stop basically anyone but five forty four yards
Speaker 1: to one eighty seven yards, and they had that little
Speaker 1: stretch in the third quarter, and we've seen this from
Speaker 1: the Bucks. It kind of reminds me of the Ravens
Speaker 1: a year ago, but in a different way where they
Speaker 1: could just molly wap a team for about fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: and then it's suddenly over because they just have so
Speaker 1: many talented players. They put up all these points in
Speaker 1: such a dominant um game, in a game where I
Speaker 1: think you could say that Brady was up and down,
Speaker 1: but he had he had his playmakers, including Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: including Chris Godwin, including Mike Evans, including Gronk all makes
Speaker 1: sensational plays for him. And so if they're gonna carry him,
Speaker 1: and then the defense finally, um, you know, started making
Speaker 1: plays and forcing turnovers in the second half, then they're dangerous.
Speaker 1: It doesn't and this doesn't like show me they're going
Speaker 1: to go win the Super Bowl. But it was important
Speaker 1: considering the last two weeks that they had had. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it quieted another narrative which I found annoying,
Speaker 1: that you know, when you add a player like Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: I don't want him to be playing football necessarily, but
Speaker 1: that he would throw off the chemistry and there would
Speaker 1: be you know, another receiver would be erased. I mean,
Speaker 1: looking at the box score here, they're all productive in
Speaker 1: a game like today, Miller has been erased a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think potentially here, well that's fair, Rahie Miller has
Speaker 1: had four yards. So it's not a great it's not
Speaker 1: a great job, which is a bummer because Scotty was
Speaker 1: having a nice little season to start. But it's I mean,
Speaker 1: but why not go upgrade your roster um if you can.
Speaker 1: I don't I think, you know, whatever, we can get
Speaker 1: into all the business about whether he should be there
Speaker 1: or not. But um, he clearly, you know, six grabs
Speaker 1: off seven targets. He does have chemistry with Brady um
Speaker 1: And I don't know, it makes me look at some
Speaker 1: of these results we get, like last week's Saints game
Speaker 1: and just say aberration. I'm willing just to completely wipe
Speaker 1: it off the map. I mean, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know what what to take of that. When I see them,
Speaker 1: I mean, they pummeled a wanting defense. The Panthers have
Speaker 1: been playing really hard, but they you know, they are
Speaker 1: not there defensively, and today exposed them. Um and again
Speaker 1: they're just hoping to stop you in the red zone,
Speaker 1: and that that actually worked today. The Bucks were only
Speaker 1: four of eight in the red zone, including I think
Speaker 1: they got stopped four times inside the ten. Usually a
Speaker 1: defense is like, okay, Ben, don't break. But it's a
Speaker 1: problem if they're in the red zone every single possession.
Speaker 1: I mean, they also have five touchdowns, so I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the totally stopped them as bad
Speaker 1: as it was Cain's defense. Yeah, it could have been
Speaker 1: so much worse, Brady, and you alluded to it, Greg.
Speaker 1: He missed three probably you know, touchdowns, one on a
Speaker 1: deep shot for Antonio Brown early that should have gone
Speaker 1: for six where he just was way off on it.
Speaker 1: He threw high to Mike Evans in the end end
Speaker 1: zone on something that should have been a touchdown, He missed,
Speaker 1: gronkled on another ball that could have been a touchdown.
Speaker 1: They kicked three field goals from inside, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: five yards, So you're you're actually, if you're the Panthers,
Speaker 1: you're lucky that you don't get a sixty burger handed
Speaker 1: to you here, right. And my my take on the
Speaker 1: Panthers right now is they are they're getting there. They're
Speaker 1: getting there, but their defense needs multiple players. And I
Speaker 1: see your smirk, Mark, I'm not I'm not doing a
Speaker 1: victory lap. I don't know. I mean, I like, all
Speaker 1: I'm saying is the Panthers as fun as they are
Speaker 1: from week to week, uh, they have they have work
Speaker 1: to do before they are actually a good team. They
Speaker 1: are not a good team yet. Well, I would say this,
Speaker 1: this is not a game you could point to because
Speaker 1: you can't close a game when you're you know, getting
Speaker 1: your doors blown off. But they've struggled to close games.
Speaker 1: That's that's you know, the next step from maturity for them,
Speaker 1: from coaching staff to players on down. But um, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't put this into the category of last week where
Speaker 1: they gave the Chiefs a scare. I mean they were
Speaker 1: just completely overpowered. Well in the first half. Um, I
Speaker 1: think you could point to it like that was Matt
Speaker 1: Rules coach of the Year real because I think Teddy
Speaker 1: was pretty off in this game. I swear he he
Speaker 1: was playing about as poorly as you possibly could for
Speaker 1: being twelve or twelve, which is crazy, but his like
Speaker 1: the location on his passes were just consistently off, and
Speaker 1: they were still moving the ball and they were scoring
Speaker 1: you know, drive after drive against this Buck's defense. But
Speaker 1: then the second half they had thirty five yards and
Speaker 1: six drives and Teddy got hit low on a on
Speaker 1: a play. But the game was over at this point.
Speaker 1: But it should have been called as one of those
Speaker 1: low hits that they created the penalty after Roethlisberger tours
Speaker 1: a c O and the minute I saw it, I
Speaker 1: was worried he's getting an m r I. He left
Speaker 1: the game. Hopefully it's not too serious that it's not
Speaker 1: worth guessing. Maybe it's a multiple week thing, maybe it's more,
Speaker 1: maybe it's less. We'll see, but you know they're gonna
Speaker 1: They're three and seven and that's a rap if if
Speaker 1: Teddy's out, yeah, that that's a four game for them
Speaker 1: and they've lost five in a row. And Teddy just
Speaker 1: just to note, it is not the knee that exploded
Speaker 1: on the practice field with the Vikings, so that's good.
Speaker 1: It's not messing with that knee. But whenever there's an
Speaker 1: m r I, and by the time you listen to this,
Speaker 1: dear listener, hopefully there will be a good news on that.
Speaker 1: But we don't have that as of right now. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move forward. I mean, alright, he's on the tarmac.
Speaker 1: We've all been stuck on the tarmac before. It's not pleasant.
Speaker 1: But nobody like checks in with Joe Blow the next day.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, you struggling today because you're playing you know,
Speaker 1: needed needed to be the ice, and then the de
Speaker 1: icing agent didn't work. These guys are overcoming a lot
Speaker 1: more than a little tarmac to like where am I? Like?
Speaker 1: Where are the articles and the breathless coverage when the
Speaker 1: quiet storm is stuck on the tarmac. Now there's back
Speaker 1: to Connecticut, there's no report. Well, I mean I haven't
Speaker 1: been there in twenty years, but there's no reporting about
Speaker 1: that on any level. Um. And it makes you realize
Speaker 1: what you are at the core compared to the Bucks,
Speaker 1: just an average run of the mill human um with
Speaker 1: a very very low on the antenna of I know,
Speaker 1: we gotta stay on track, but I just I hope
Speaker 1: if anyone in the media is listening to this show,
Speaker 1: the fact that this was the top headline. I need
Speaker 1: the end yesterday, and I'm sure at NFL dot com
Speaker 1: too on Saturday. We don't need we don't need that
Speaker 1: because it's really not that big a deal ultimately, I
Speaker 1: mean the proofs in the pudding. The Bucks damn near
Speaker 1: scored seventy points today. Car hand off, Jacob spreading over
Speaker 1: the left, he's got it walking and ship Baby, what's
Speaker 1: going on with Brent Musburger in the desert man dog,
Speaker 1: there's something going on like a Walton White situation. He's
Speaker 1: enjoining it. I mean, what a way to wrap up
Speaker 1: a great career, you know, which isn't to say that
Speaker 1: that he's cooking meth and becoming a drug king pen
Speaker 1: There's a level of swagger that he has in his
Speaker 1: old age, and I don't remember him quite having when
Speaker 1: he was talking about the Bengals backup quarterbacks girlfriend. I
Speaker 1: don't know anyways, kr LF with the call what was
Speaker 1: that guy's name? A J. McCarron still with US Texans, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that good? Yeah, he's The Raiders are a good football team.
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs had a hundred yards rushing in two touchdowns
Speaker 1: by the end of the third quarter, and the Vegas
Speaker 1: defense intercepted Drew Lock four times and route to an easy,
Speaker 1: easy thirty seven to twelve win. That score exactly encapsulates
Speaker 1: the type of game that went down here. Uh they Vegas,
Speaker 1: As is becoming increasingly clear week after week, there a
Speaker 1: team that can bully you if you're not physical, and
Speaker 1: Denver was simply not up to the challenge of what
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs in this running game had. It was a
Speaker 1: game where Derek Carr in the passing game, we're not
Speaker 1: in sync. Nelson Aguilar dropped a touchdown pass, Darren Waller
Speaker 1: dropped what should have been a walk in like sixty
Speaker 1: yards score, But it didn't really matter because they were
Speaker 1: able to move the ball on the ground and the
Speaker 1: defense suffocated Uh Denver's offense. The Raiders limited the Broncos
Speaker 1: to zero yards in the third quarter. Denver only ran
Speaker 1: four plays in that quarter. And Uh and Luck and Locke,
Speaker 1: who was getting beaten up all game, just takes away.
Speaker 1: He's a cow boy. He and not a Dallas cowboy.
Speaker 1: He takes way too many chances and quite frankly, without
Speaker 1: being too hard on the boy, he's not good enough
Speaker 1: to take many of the chances he does. He killed
Speaker 1: him with turnovers today. This seems like a grooting dream.
Speaker 1: They had the ball for thirty seven minutes. Um. The
Speaker 1: run game has been ferocious weeks in a row. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think this is like with each passing
Speaker 1: week my faith in the Raiders, Um it grows. And
Speaker 1: if you're John Elwayne, you've just come back from your
Speaker 1: Corona scenario, your quarantine, you've got to be looking at
Speaker 1: Drew Lock insane? Are we back here again? Are we
Speaker 1: back here in the search for another quarterback? It's not
Speaker 1: just you, Dan, I had like a I have a
Speaker 1: bunch of friends in Denver and they're all basically saying this,
Speaker 1: ain't it? This guy is not the guy. Well, I've
Speaker 1: noticed that on Twitter. I tweeted, uh, something like, you know,
Speaker 1: I wrote, Drew Lock, I don't know man, and then
Speaker 1: a bunch of Broncos fans instead of coming after me
Speaker 1: hard like which was happening early, everyone seems to be
Speaker 1: getting to a place where they're losing faith in which
Speaker 1: he hasn't played a lot, but still there's too many.
Speaker 1: He has ten interceptions and seven starts. Oh yeah, Our
Speaker 1: super fan Eric Jansen is totally uh, he's totally bailed
Speaker 1: on this guy. I look, if Lock, if Lock had
Speaker 1: played even remotely last year like he's played this year,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't They would have gotten a quarter they would
Speaker 1: have gotten a new quarterback. You know, it's in a
Speaker 1: different system. They didn't have the offseason, and you know
Speaker 1: that could be everyone's excuse. Then he gets hurt. But
Speaker 1: all you gotta all you can really evaluate is how
Speaker 1: he's played this year. And based on how he's played
Speaker 1: this year he's been he's kind of been a disaster.
Speaker 1: There hasn't really been um good things to look at.
Speaker 1: The defense is, you know, slowly crumbling by the week
Speaker 1: because of injuries too. And yeah, the last seven games,
Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna be is an audition for him.
Speaker 1: I do think it's worth pointing out for the Raiders,
Speaker 1: they're missing both their starting right they're both they're starting
Speaker 1: tackles who are like Pro Bowl level tackles. And so
Speaker 1: that's why sometimes when injuries, you know, are used as
Speaker 1: an excuse, it's like good coaching and good good teams
Speaker 1: can overcome it. That they're still playing this well without
Speaker 1: those guys. It's awesome. They've played three division teams in
Speaker 1: their last three games, the Raiders, and they've won all
Speaker 1: three games, including of course the win in Arrowhead that
Speaker 1: started that streak. And I think they get the Chiefs
Speaker 1: again next week. Yeah, so they have a chance over
Speaker 1: the course of four games to sweep their division, which
Speaker 1: would be wild. Now if they go and and the
Speaker 1: Chiefs are coming in their building off a bye week,
Speaker 1: if they beat the Chiefs, then we're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about the Raiders as legitimate, feared contender in the a
Speaker 1: f C. I don't think they're quite there yet. But
Speaker 1: the fact that we can look ahead to that game
Speaker 1: and say, oh, that that's gonna be a fun watch.
Speaker 1: That shows you the progress that John Gruden has made
Speaker 1: in his third year with this team. So another nice
Speaker 1: performance by the Raiders. They're feeling good. They're six and three,
Speaker 1: they are on track for a playoff spot and the
Speaker 1: Broncos it's wait till next year. Once again. Let's move
Speaker 1: on for the goal line set hold off folks, Camaro
Speaker 1: off left tackle and stop the fourth of that one
Speaker 1: the goal line Alvin Camara from a yard out in
Speaker 1: the Saints convert the turnover to a touchdown. Third of
Speaker 1: the day for Alvin Camera He deserves it. Kamara squared
Speaker 1: knock one, not too but three three, three touchdowns, adding
Speaker 1: another monster performance to his m v P resume. You
Speaker 1: don't want to put him on the m v P
Speaker 1: alright in the top five. Put him on that list.
Speaker 1: As the Saints coasted to an easy uh win over
Speaker 1: the Fork forty Niners, who will not be defending their
Speaker 1: conference title come January. Market ice win by the Saints,
Speaker 1: but some concerns after Drew brees how to leave this
Speaker 1: game with an injury. Yeah, I'd be concerned. He's another
Speaker 1: um M r I candidate. He's gonna get one tomorrow,
Speaker 1: gonna get an X ray. Um it was ribbs Uh
Speaker 1: cantavi a street um was flagged for roughing the pastor.
Speaker 1: I actually think um another debate around that hit was
Speaker 1: I don't think that was roughing the passer by its
Speaker 1: um dictionary definition. But point aside, Breeze came up looking, Um,
Speaker 1: have you ever broken a rib? Like you can't really
Speaker 1: breathe that that's what's going on with him. Like he
Speaker 1: just was like hunched over and did not look good
Speaker 1: and like he he came back in and played a
Speaker 1: little bit, but then after halftime he basically told Sean
Speaker 1: Payton he he couldn't do it. He was complaining to
Speaker 1: back pain too. So, um, we'll see they play the
Speaker 1: Falcons next. We'll see what the status is right there. Uh.
Speaker 1: Not in love with what Jamis Winston did. Um in
Speaker 1: the game, a lot of short passes. I think that
Speaker 1: you'd see a different Jamis Winston if there was a
Speaker 1: week to prepare a little too much tastom Hill from
Speaker 1: my liking, I've moved into that camp where I feel
Speaker 1: like he takes He plays some really good games, and
Speaker 1: he does things really well. We all know that. But
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have to figure out this situation, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of plays where on the there on the
Speaker 1: field at the same time, you know, and I just
Speaker 1: I don't know if Winston and Hill need to be
Speaker 1: cool you're replacing if you're doing that. Um has been
Speaker 1: an iron man and the fact that he wasn't able
Speaker 1: to go back in the game makes you wonder if
Speaker 1: we're gonna get Jamis Winston in starts. What did you
Speaker 1: see from him? Well, like I said, I thought that
Speaker 1: they didn't really unleash Jamis Winston. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of short passes, um, you know, with Kamara playing the
Speaker 1: way he was, Uh, they kind of just sort of
Speaker 1: game managed their way through the second half. This wasn't
Speaker 1: a dominant effort. I thought. The Niners, who you know,
Speaker 1: like the Niners feel like they can give you a
Speaker 1: quarter of and a half of inspired football with a
Speaker 1: backup quarterback and a bunch of nobody's um. They opened
Speaker 1: the game with a seven minute plus drive with a
Speaker 1: touchdown that I thought, this is interesting. They're hanging around
Speaker 1: in this thing. But to point again to special special teams,
Speaker 1: the Niners had two killer muffed punts where they lost
Speaker 1: the ball both times they look. Both of those led
Speaker 1: to Alvin Kamara touchdowns. Uh. Nick Mullins through a terrible
Speaker 1: interception as well, and that kind of was the difference.
Speaker 1: The Niners mistakes. They're just not able to be who
Speaker 1: they are. Not prime San Francisco and know not Unlike
Speaker 1: in Carolina, I can have my coaching fascinations. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan can't coach around Sean Payton even with the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback. With some of the stuff that's going on
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, I thought it was um Uh. The
Speaker 1: star of the game to me was the Saints defense.
Speaker 1: They had eight QB hits, two sacks, the interception, the
Speaker 1: Malcolm Jenkins pick I mentioned of Nick Mullins, and they
Speaker 1: really just dominated. They dominated. San Francisco. Was sort of
Speaker 1: an ugly win, but um, you'll take it. I mean
Speaker 1: they had two hundred and thirty seven yards of offense
Speaker 1: the Saints. So they've won games in different sorts of
Speaker 1: ways this year. I think Saints fans were very happy
Speaker 1: to get this sort of win just because of how
Speaker 1: it played out. And I we'll see they can't win
Speaker 1: like this each and every week. But their defense has
Speaker 1: been stepping up. Uh and so you you like to
Speaker 1: see that Chimera is a running back that matter. You
Speaker 1: know who else matters Raheem Moster like they have really
Speaker 1: missed him for the forty niners, like no running games
Speaker 1: since since most dire it goes down. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: just Breeze. They lost at at some point seven different
Speaker 1: starters in this game to injury, including Marshawn Lattimore, Andrews
Speaker 1: Pete and uh Cede Deuce Johnson. So that's that's a problem.
Speaker 1: Like if that if we'll see how serious all of
Speaker 1: these are, but that that could be a rough day
Speaker 1: for they're banged up in Gardner Johnson. Um had an
Speaker 1: excellent game. I mean he just keep he kept making
Speaker 1: pivotal plays in this So losing guys like that Um
Speaker 1: comes with a huge cost. I'm looking at the NFC standings.
Speaker 1: The Saints have not lost now since Week three. He
Speaker 1: had a six game winning streak three or four straight years.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's three. That's ridiculous, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: And they right now they're tied with the Packers for
Speaker 1: the best record in the NFC. And remember there's only
Speaker 1: one playoff by this year. You have to win your
Speaker 1: conference essentially in the regular season to get that by.
Speaker 1: And I look at the Saints upcoming schedule and it
Speaker 1: looks pretty good, looks pretty good. They host the Falcons,
Speaker 1: I know the Falcons are playing better. They go to
Speaker 1: Denver and we know the Who's have a ton of
Speaker 1: problems right now. Then they go to Atlanta, then they
Speaker 1: go to Philly before they get the Chiefs, and what's
Speaker 1: gonna be an awesome Week fifteen matchup, Uh that Tony
Speaker 1: Romo and Jim Nance will be calling. So uh, they
Speaker 1: seem well set up for another thirteen or even fourteen
Speaker 1: win season if things break their way. But Drew, the
Speaker 1: Drew Brees thing is something to watch here. Saints fans
Speaker 1: are not feeling confident about sweeping the Falcons, that's for sure,
Speaker 1: because the Falcons have played them great in recent years
Speaker 1: and the Falcons are playing grey right now, So that's
Speaker 1: that's a tricky one. If Drew Brees is out, Greg
Speaker 1: would watch Saints Falcons like sixteen weeks in a row
Speaker 1: and then they never complain. He best revalry in football.
Speaker 1: Let's know it's no hand off runs right, that's Bills
Speaker 1: car he runs left and he said for the touchdown
Speaker 1: thirty four yards for Daniel JONESY faked me out again
Speaker 1: that Jones goes around the left end and this time
Speaker 1: he does it fall down and it's a giant. You
Speaker 1: know who We've heard from a lot on the show
Speaker 1: in the last five weeks, Bob, Papa, A w F
Speaker 1: A n just the Giants playing better. Who's the best
Speaker 1: team in the NFC? Least who jam Daniel Jones thirty
Speaker 1: four yard touchdown gave the Giants to leave. They would
Speaker 1: not relinquish seventeen over the Eagles. The Giants puli even
Speaker 1: in the wind column of Philadelphia and now sit just
Speaker 1: a half game out at first place despite and owen
Speaker 1: five start. And uh, you know this has been this
Speaker 1: is something we teased on our Thursday preview show that
Speaker 1: the Giants have slowly and quietly, I've been put it
Speaker 1: together since that windless start. Their defense has been um
Speaker 1: pretty good, averaged pretty good during this stre uch, and
Speaker 1: the offense when Daniel Jones is not turning the ball
Speaker 1: over and I know Greg has created a new rule
Speaker 1: in the NFL. If you fumble it doesn't matter, it's
Speaker 1: still a bad thing and it should be penalized. When
Speaker 1: you talk about a player, well, he did not lose
Speaker 1: a turnover. Uh he did not turn the ball over
Speaker 1: for the second straight game. And when Danny, let's put
Speaker 1: him in the Canyon of Heroes, you know, when Danny
Speaker 1: Dimes does not does not turn it over. Uh they
Speaker 1: have a good chance with that defense and a running
Speaker 1: game that's now come to life. Guess what. Guess what?
Speaker 1: They got Wayne Golden in the house doing things and
Speaker 1: and and Danny Dimes. For all the mocking and derision,
Speaker 1: he set the team record for rushing yards from a
Speaker 1: quarterback today. Uh so, a hundred sixty yards on the ground.
Speaker 1: Uh So. A nice team effort by the Giants, is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And the Eagles, I mean, they're on
Speaker 1: fire right now. It's just it's bad if Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: and I know I just said the Eagles. The Giants
Speaker 1: defense has been improving, but I mean, come on, I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta make some plays. You gotta, you gotta. You
Speaker 1: cannot be throwing high all game like Carson Wentz was
Speaker 1: he wasn't the reason they lost this game, and he
Speaker 1: wasn't playing the type of hero ball that's been getting
Speaker 1: him killed this year. But there's just nothing special about
Speaker 1: Wentz this year, and when they need him to be specially,
Speaker 1: it's just not there. It's crazy. How is he one
Speaker 1: of the worst quarterbacks in the league. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: hard to it's hard to understand the Gettleman, the Giants
Speaker 1: general manager, got some grief for saying, you know, they're
Speaker 1: the best two and seven team he's ever seen. But
Speaker 1: I get what he's saying. They've They've led by ten
Speaker 1: points in in six straight games. That's pretty you know,
Speaker 1: you have to be pretty good to do that, and
Speaker 1: they've had some bad luck. But you have seen this
Speaker 1: identity when alf Morris is making plays and that was
Speaker 1: more a week ago, um, but this week, you know,
Speaker 1: he had some good runs and then Gallman is making
Speaker 1: plays like you're getting some sort of identity. I don't know.
Speaker 1: If the Eagles are half game back, it really hurts
Speaker 1: my brain. You know. I like to think of myself
Speaker 1: as somewhat mathematically inclined, but like, what is three and
Speaker 1: seven I'm still compared to to the three, five and one.
Speaker 1: I think that's a game. I think that's a game game.
Speaker 1: There are two losses back, who the hell's two games
Speaker 1: in the lost column, But then there's stuff and yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, but I think it's interesting that, like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, the Giants maybe snuck up on people a
Speaker 1: little bit because you know, we had boll Wolf on
Speaker 1: timely time to have him come on and talk about
Speaker 1: Wentz and his issues, which um, rayeh on. But I
Speaker 1: I feel like I heard a lot of chatter like
Speaker 1: all right, the Eagles coming off there by this is
Speaker 1: when they really turn it around, and we get this
Speaker 1: just a lot of version of wins, people handing them
Speaker 1: the NFC East, which I understand because you've got a
Speaker 1: lot of um, you know, hideous teams in there. But
Speaker 1: the Giants look like the better coach team to me
Speaker 1: over the last month or two. And you know, Daniel Jones,
Speaker 1: is that streak of um turnover free games will end?
Speaker 1: I think we know that will end at some point point.
Speaker 1: But they it just seems like guys like Wayne Gallman
Speaker 1: like stepping up and playing looking like a different players
Speaker 1: and they did a year ago and for this Giants team,
Speaker 1: So I I wouldn't be unhappy at all to see
Speaker 1: the Giants not only win the division, but win a
Speaker 1: playoff game. And we talked about it with Jones when
Speaker 1: when he fell in that Thursday night game on the
Speaker 1: seventy yard breakaway run against the Eagles and a game
Speaker 1: that they lost and had no business losing. The Giants
Speaker 1: and imagine if they won that game, they really be
Speaker 1: going nuts right now. But you know, that was his
Speaker 1: butt bumble and it's something he's gonna have to overcome.
Speaker 1: And even Bob popa was who's paid by the team,
Speaker 1: can't call that touchdown run without referencing his fall. So
Speaker 1: like Jones's baggage, and he has guys that, you know,
Speaker 1: Greg not like singling you out, but people in the
Speaker 1: national media that doubt him and feel like he's somebody
Speaker 1: who's a problem. It's it's still wait a second, it's
Speaker 1: still it's still early. It's still early in the Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones evaluation process. And now that he's putting together a
Speaker 1: couple of games without the turnovers and he shows you
Speaker 1: this crazy speed and he was called sneaky fest on
Speaker 1: the telecast. It's not sneaky. He has got to do
Speaker 1: with thing he can. He got up to twenty two
Speaker 1: miles per hour on that fall. He was twenty miles
Speaker 1: per hour on that run. That's close to what running
Speaker 1: backs do. Uh. He has tools to be a good
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. And I'm really excited to see how he
Speaker 1: closes out this this season because I'm with you, Mark
Speaker 1: and that he's had us ups and downs. But he's
Speaker 1: an intriguing prospect at quarterback. He really is. I agree
Speaker 1: this game was massive because I think they would have
Speaker 1: had a hard time crawling out of a hole. But
Speaker 1: now it feels like it's wide open. So this is
Speaker 1: they have the worst record of any division in NFL
Speaker 1: history through ten weeks um, and if you look at it,
Speaker 1: they've actually had played a ton of division games compared
Speaker 1: to other divisions. So the Giants, for instance, are three
Speaker 1: and two in the division that's there oh and seven
Speaker 1: out of the division, so they only have one division
Speaker 1: game left. There's not that many division games left in
Speaker 1: this NFC East, so it's like if you could just
Speaker 1: get one or two out of the division, that's that's
Speaker 1: gonna be enough. Because the Eagles, at some point, I
Speaker 1: was just hopeful they would come back and look like
Speaker 1: a totally different team. Um, but they've just looked like
Speaker 1: one of the five worst teams in the league the
Speaker 1: whole season. They're broken. I would note that the Giant
Speaker 1: schedule is no picnic now there by then they've got
Speaker 1: the Bengals manageable obviously, Seahawks, Cardinals, Brown's Ravens, and then
Speaker 1: you close with the Cowboys. So, um, you know we're
Speaker 1: gonna get us five or six win team winning this division,
Speaker 1: which I find painfully delightful in a strange way. And
Speaker 1: my last thought on the Eagles. You have a healthy
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, you got Miles Sanders back today. You have
Speaker 1: Jalen Reagor first round pick wide receiver. You got Travis
Speaker 1: Falgan who has been a real surprise. He's healthy and
Speaker 1: playing Dallas. God got it in the lineup. And you
Speaker 1: go over nine and third down most the tenth without
Speaker 1: a conversion in a game by any team this season,
Speaker 1: the first time the Eagles went zilch on third down
Speaker 1: since two thousand four. I mean, maybe we get maybe
Speaker 1: we get a you know, another um, Doug Peterson autobiography
Speaker 1: after this season, Um, just to recap what's been going
Speaker 1: on since the Super Bowl. Doubtful I don't think it
Speaker 1: would sell very well in Philly. But can't take away
Speaker 1: that ring. Mark Sessler can't take it away. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Here we go to win it at fort field time
Speaker 1: twenty seven three seconds to go, mule box to snap
Speaker 1: fox the whole. Here we go, snap spot, kick away.
Speaker 1: It is up, He's got the distance. It is God
Speaker 1: sent it through the fifty nine yards up and the
Speaker 1: Lions are settle ready at midfield right. Called by Dan Miller,
Speaker 1: w j R. Matt Prator wears an ear ring. He
Speaker 1: also wins football games and dramatic fashion. The veteran kickers
Speaker 1: fifty nine yard bomb from midfield was true, producing the
Speaker 1: winning points for the Lions and win over the football
Speaker 1: team Greg the Flying Patricians. There was sipping mimosas after
Speaker 1: surviving a near collapse. Yeah. I mean, I don't need
Speaker 1: to hear anymore from Lions fans that they're unlucky. Between
Speaker 1: this and the Todd Gurley didn't fall in the end
Speaker 1: zone game, they feel pretty lucky to have gotten a
Speaker 1: couple of wins over the last month. I wanted to
Speaker 1: give me something. I wanted twenty to give me a
Speaker 1: nice Alex Smith comes from twenty four to three down
Speaker 1: and leads the Washington football team to a victory with
Speaker 1: a keep to leave on the mic, just enjoying the
Speaker 1: hell out of himself, which is what I like to
Speaker 1: hear from my broadcasters. Jonathan Vilma was another good one
Speaker 1: who who you could just tell like enjoys the game
Speaker 1: and even if it's not as like as polished as
Speaker 1: your Trent Greens of the world, it's like, give me
Speaker 1: someone who loves football came through. WHOA what a subtweet
Speaker 1: there of Yeah, that was at Bowler. That was an
Speaker 1: intentional choice. It was. It didn't It didn't give it
Speaker 1: to us. Um they had they had a chance to win.
Speaker 1: Alex fit throws for three ninety yards, played pretty well
Speaker 1: throughout the game in Washington, had the ugliest two minute
Speaker 1: drive I've ever seen to try to win a game.
Speaker 1: Seventeen plays in two minutes, tons of tons of penalties.
Speaker 1: They end up kicking a field goal and leaving a
Speaker 1: little too much time for Matthew Stafford and the Lions
Speaker 1: really only won the game because Chase Young had one
Speaker 1: of the dumbest penalties you'll ever see, hitting Matthew Stafford late,
Speaker 1: which set up the game winning field goal. Where Chase Young,
Speaker 1: by the way, because Mary talking about we were just
Speaker 1: talking about on Thursday show. But the Tuesday show, the
Speaker 1: mid season predictions, everybody had Chase Young as the defensive
Speaker 1: rookie here where at He's been very quiet over the
Speaker 1: last month and and so I I don't put him there.
Speaker 1: I certainly would put Julian Blackman or I have to
Speaker 1: go look at it, but he's been quite over last month.
Speaker 1: That the Washington football team had one quarterback hit today
Speaker 1: on staff for that was the most surprising thing of
Speaker 1: the game was he had tons of time. It only
Speaker 1: came from a safety. I was really surprised to see
Speaker 1: Detroit kind of dominate up front and give the ball
Speaker 1: to DeAndre Swift and he played great. And that that's
Speaker 1: the best thing to feel if you're a Lions fan
Speaker 1: other than the wint Patricia's. Somehow, somehow, Greg has the
Speaker 1: Lions at four and five, which does not feel like
Speaker 1: where the Lions are right now, because there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of doom and gloom and quite frankly, and it
Speaker 1: comes from this podcast too, but the Lions fans and
Speaker 1: everyone else that covers the league of frustration around this
Speaker 1: team's inability to uh get better and improve during Patricia's
Speaker 1: uh time. But four and five is not a terrible
Speaker 1: place to be in mid November, No, with some winnable
Speaker 1: games coming up. They have Carolina who might be without
Speaker 1: um Teddy Bridgewater and another very winnable game right after
Speaker 1: that where I think they'd be favored. And the problem is,
Speaker 1: you like watch them, there's you just can't convince yourself
Speaker 1: they're a good team. That the Washington had twenty minutes
Speaker 1: a time of possession had twenty five uh twenty more
Speaker 1: minutes time of possession, had twenty five more plays like
Speaker 1: it was two to three, and I thought that maybe
Speaker 1: Washington can come back. So if that's where you are
Speaker 1: with your team, like, you can't feel that good. I mean,
Speaker 1: so I got dropped off the mic here for a minute.
Speaker 1: But are you suggesting that I should now get back
Speaker 1: on said vehicle and chase this Lions carame They'll find
Speaker 1: a way to lose these games, right, I just I
Speaker 1: don't feel convinced. I Well, that's that's what Greg says.
Speaker 1: I would say I would be willing to throw up
Speaker 1: some type of roadblock for me and a Kimes and
Speaker 1: company that would force their vehicle to stop, and then
Speaker 1: you can get the borrow catch up and then you
Speaker 1: have one last chance, and it's either now or never
Speaker 1: to be on the bandwagon. No more on and off
Speaker 1: like it's the San Francisco trolley. You have a chance
Speaker 1: right now, Mark on this podcast and week ten to
Speaker 1: be on or off. Yeah. Well, I mean when you
Speaker 1: put the words forever in Detroit Lions together, I'm staying
Speaker 1: for this season. No, because here's the problem, Like, you've
Speaker 1: got to inspire me and I don't. I just they
Speaker 1: put me to sleep. It's it's here, the white Noise machine.
Speaker 1: Here's how it'll it'll play out. They're gonna beat um,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they beat p J. Walker and the Panthers.
Speaker 1: It sets them up on Thanksgiving, the one day where
Speaker 1: everyone in America watches the lines. They're at five and five.
Speaker 1: They'll be favored against the Texans and everyone will be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, the Lions are right in it. And
Speaker 1: that's where they leave. They lose a devastating game. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, they will have a they will have
Speaker 1: a ten to thirteen point lead at halftime of that
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving game win and it will end with the Shawn
Speaker 1: Watson eating a turkey leg on some postgame shop and
Speaker 1: Kevin Patra throwing a whiskey drink against the wall and
Speaker 1: his whole family saying, Kevin, we think you have a problem.
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced Kevin like still gets emotionally attached to
Speaker 1: these games now and thinks so. But I like the
Speaker 1: the imagery of him whipping a glass of whiskey against
Speaker 1: the wall. I just want to make it clear in
Speaker 1: this scenario that I've invented, it's not that the family
Speaker 1: is sitting him down saying we think you have a
Speaker 1: drinking problem. Okay, It's it's more an issue with his
Speaker 1: temper and explosive and can be problematic around other people. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's the only person that can be accused
Speaker 1: of things like that. All right, let's move on. Good
Speaker 1: job Alex Smith outside one won't go out of bounds,
Speaker 1: and he does it, and he may go all the
Speaker 1: way and he does. Don't flags her down and Chubb
Speaker 1: he ran out of bounds, goes out of bounds at
Speaker 1: the one yard line. Dick Stockton with another classic call
Speaker 1: to add to his resume. There for Fox h Nick Chubb,
Speaker 1: don't go out of bounds. You don't have to build that.
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb ice the game with a long run earned
Speaker 1: seven thousand. Nick Chubb is a class act. Tweets in
Speaker 1: the process, and more importantly, most importantly, clinched a ten
Speaker 1: seven win for the Cleveland Browns over the Texans, a
Speaker 1: game that was delayed by thirty five minutes by a
Speaker 1: sudden storm right before kickoff. Hey quiet storm, Mr Sessler,
Speaker 1: it must feel good to get your chubby back. Um.
Speaker 1: I love Nick Chubb. I think he's just the perfect
Speaker 1: fit for the Cleveland Browns. I actually, um, I probably
Speaker 1: will be losing my fantasy matchup this week because he
Speaker 1: did that. But I thought it was smart football and
Speaker 1: I get the I I knew the classy stuff would
Speaker 1: get on your radar, Dan, and it got on my
Speaker 1: radar two Because it's like, we don't know I think
Speaker 1: he is a classy person. We don't know that he's
Speaker 1: classy because of that player team. It's still is funny
Speaker 1: when people equate that with a guy being a class act. No. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: but I think that is the Nick Chubb experience. I
Speaker 1: would say this, I think that last year's team. Um,
Speaker 1: and I'm not putting maybe Chubb would have known to
Speaker 1: do that. Last year's team would not have made a
Speaker 1: savvy move like that to close out the clock. They
Speaker 1: would have found a way to give the ball back
Speaker 1: to Deshaun Watson. So I think there is a little
Speaker 1: bit of it where where there's hope in Cleveland, it's
Speaker 1: it's in the coaching where I think that they worked
Speaker 1: themselves out of a bad game today. This game started
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes late because of insane wins uh and
Speaker 1: it's still finished before Washington Detroit. These teams wanted to
Speaker 1: run the ball, burn the clock and get out of there.
Speaker 1: And I wrote down my first note because you write
Speaker 1: all these notes during these games. It was like, I
Speaker 1: can't think of a game where I came out of
Speaker 1: a game. UM learning with my opinion not changed about
Speaker 1: either team at all. Um, Deshaun Watson did Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: things the best he could. I think that they're wide
Speaker 1: out group is UM has done a nice job in
Speaker 1: the in the post calamity of trading New Copkins, They've
Speaker 1: been a good group. And I thought they were gonna
Speaker 1: win this game. I mean, all they needed was to
Speaker 1: two scoring drives basically to get it done. And they
Speaker 1: just couldn't. They couldn't. But it's not the credit of
Speaker 1: Cleveland's defense. In my book, this running game in Cleveland
Speaker 1: is completely different when Chub is there, and I we
Speaker 1: saw in Wyatt Teller at guard. I mean they they
Speaker 1: are the first m Brown's tandem to both cross a
Speaker 1: hundred yards in a game Cream hunting Nick Chubb since
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six. And they've been some good running backs
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. That's who they are, That's who they've not
Speaker 1: been able to be the past couple of weeks. Um,
Speaker 1: I I would say it's I give them a solid
Speaker 1: B in this game. Um, they have a lot of issues.
Speaker 1: I don't look at them the same way that I
Speaker 1: look at the Dolphins or other teams that are sort
Speaker 1: of I think record aside becoming something special before our eyes.
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way about the Browns. Um that
Speaker 1: said this is a game they would have lost in
Speaker 1: the past. They got they took care of business right,
Speaker 1: and I mean they've won six games and they've still
Speaker 1: got the Eagles and the Jaguars next, and they finished
Speaker 1: their season with the Jets. I mean it's like Cupcake City.
Speaker 1: They have really rolled out the red carpet for this
Speaker 1: Brown's team to come make the playoffs. You know, they
Speaker 1: have some other tough games, but I'm just saying, you
Speaker 1: just gotta win a couple of those. You have to
Speaker 1: not blow And I know that makes you nervous, Mark,
Speaker 1: and it would too, because the a f C is
Speaker 1: shaping up in a really interesting way where there's a
Speaker 1: huge division right now between teams with only three losses
Speaker 1: and everyone else. There's nine teams with only three losses
Speaker 1: that are six and three are better. So there's nine
Speaker 1: teams that have really good records. So the Browns are
Speaker 1: gonna have plenty of competition to try to make this playoffs.
Speaker 1: But but you would want to have to try to
Speaker 1: earn it, and with the schedule that they have, they
Speaker 1: have to feel good because they haven't tripped up on
Speaker 1: these games. Really they have, and it would be a
Speaker 1: bummer if they had lost these two totally weather affected games,
Speaker 1: which stand out is maybe the two most weather affective
Speaker 1: games in the entire NFL this season. So at least
Speaker 1: you just split those and move on and hopefully have
Speaker 1: some normal games. Yeah, I think they get to tenants said,
Speaker 1: and they should get there's a road to ten and
Speaker 1: six um. If any any of these teams that sneak
Speaker 1: into the NFC playoffs, they've earned it, you're not going
Speaker 1: to get um, you know, an embarrassment in there. So
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. I like, you know, games like this.
Speaker 1: I can't assess Baker Mayfield because the wind was insane,
Speaker 1: but he did not look to me like the difference
Speaker 1: making quarterback. And there's been a couple of been too
Speaker 1: many weeks like that, been a couple of good ones too,
Speaker 1: But but I think they've they've got a lot of
Speaker 1: thinking to do behind the scenes about what kind of
Speaker 1: contract or extension they'd ever give him if this is
Speaker 1: who he is. The range of outcomes with next week's
Speaker 1: Brown's Eagles matchup is out of control. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: two teams that don't make any sense um from week
Speaker 1: to week. Or well, maybe the Eagles are just bad,
Speaker 1: which the Browns are not, so you would think they
Speaker 1: should win that game anyway. One little thought exercise here, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: because we all know Greg more than anyone that, in
Speaker 1: addition to Chubb going out of bounds at the one
Speaker 1: um altering the final score, it changed everything in the
Speaker 1: desert for people that are inclined to track things that way.
Speaker 1: But here's the thought exercise. And I blame Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: for this because it was such a big story that
Speaker 1: I think it. It definitely was in Nick Chubb's mind
Speaker 1: as he was going down the sideline fifty nine yards
Speaker 1: and then stopped the four, going the sixty, I throw
Speaker 1: the touchdown. What's a better um? What gives you better
Speaker 1: odds to win a football game? Going up sixteen seven,
Speaker 1: and let's assume the point after so being upset eventeen
Speaker 1: seven with sixty seven seconds to play and a horrendous
Speaker 1: wind swept day where the opposition has done nothing on offense,
Speaker 1: or being up ten seven deep in the opponent's territory
Speaker 1: but needing two quarterbacks, center exchanges and kneel downs to
Speaker 1: ensure victory. I would I would guess that the odds
Speaker 1: are very close to fifty fifty, and if it's even close,
Speaker 1: just going the damn end zone. Just a thought exercise.
Speaker 1: Why don't think it matters? You're you're right, which is
Speaker 1: your people? No? I know, I mean in terms of
Speaker 1: winning now, but no, I think going out is clearly
Speaker 1: the more obvious the better, because nothing can happen right, Yes,
Speaker 1: you can mess up. I'm true, something can happen. But
Speaker 1: when was the last time with that someone blew kneeling
Speaker 1: on on the ball. I can't remember it ever happening. Well,
Speaker 1: then we really know even when they hand it wasn't
Speaker 1: that a handoff? Wasn't that a handoff or something? Just
Speaker 1: saying that was a runout? It was like it moved,
Speaker 1: it moved you into like percentile you know barring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what what is Let's let's find this out. Actually, I
Speaker 1: want to come back to this on Tuesday. So it's
Speaker 1: interesting to me if we could find data all this
Speaker 1: malarkey with the wind probability, what's the wind probability of
Speaker 1: seventeen seven with one oh seven to play? Basically almost
Speaker 1: no difference, but the differences you're giving up a slight
Speaker 1: chance of a touchdown in an kick. I would also assume,
Speaker 1: I would assume that, like with all these analytics heads
Speaker 1: inside of every you know, front office in Cleveland has
Speaker 1: three hundred of them, that someone was on someone's mic
Speaker 1: saying if someone breaks away here, get out of bounds.
Speaker 1: The averages side with getting out of bounds, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: what are what are they doing? Snide offering them widing down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're telling them, don't score ideal touchdown there too.
Speaker 1: Although you ended up in this weird world we now
Speaker 1: live in, in this Twitter Twitter echo chamber, he was
Speaker 1: celebrated more for not scoring, So it would have been right,
Speaker 1: I think as a brother, I don't think it really
Speaker 1: mattered either way, you know, but yes, if he had
Speaker 1: done like a summersault while like doing like a big
Speaker 1: like eating, you know, everyone would have loved that. I
Speaker 1: wanted him to score, you know, you know, punch it in.
Speaker 1: But you know, this is what you get for keeping
Speaker 1: easter By. We see you. It was like, oh, you'll
Speaker 1: hire a GM. We know who's hiring that GM. It's Easterby.
Speaker 1: You're getting the mad bad the torch that I'm not
Speaker 1: allowed to run around with at this point. So I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Too hot for the Mike Rosenthal. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Rogers looking the left side of the
Speaker 1: end zone, flip tell you Adams touched down Green Bank.
Speaker 1: Oh what a beautiful play back by Aaron Rodgers. Wayne
Speaker 1: Larvy w t MJ with the call. Nick Shook now
Speaker 1: joins us Davante Adams did what Davante Adams does scoring
Speaker 1: a touchdown on the Packers need one. His TV grab
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter was the difference, and it's over
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Pat Lambeau shook. I know, hopefield advantage was
Speaker 1: like fun and happiness in general eradicated by COVID nineteen.
Speaker 1: But how the hell did Green Bay let the Lute
Speaker 1: Night's hang out? It was only as weird games. I mean,
Speaker 1: every once in a while you see a team that
Speaker 1: is clearly superior play a lesser team and not necessarily
Speaker 1: make mistakes, but just things kind of unfold where the
Speaker 1: lesser team manages to stay in the game. A punt
Speaker 1: return for a touchdown makes what was going to be
Speaker 1: a runaway game a close game, and it just kind
Speaker 1: of unfolds from there. And that's really what the Jaguars
Speaker 1: did for the most part, um until the latter stages
Speaker 1: of the game, when you actually had to put the
Speaker 1: ball in Jake Luton's hands, and well we saw the result.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's simply not the guy. But I
Speaker 1: mean I credit them for for battling and and and
Speaker 1: for sticking around in the game long enough to make
Speaker 1: it competitive, but ultimately the better team won. They have
Speaker 1: to be thrilled that Marquez feld is scantling um put
Speaker 1: up the kind of game he did that it's not
Speaker 1: just DeVante atmos. But Aaron Jones came back. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the numbers here. Not mind blowing, was
Speaker 1: it was it just sort of the way the game
Speaker 1: went that he wasn't um massively impactful. Yeah. And it
Speaker 1: was one of those strange games where the Packers one
Speaker 1: time of possession by a small margin and it worked
Speaker 1: out in the jaguars favor and that it limited them
Speaker 1: from making their own mistakes. You know, the longer the
Speaker 1: Packers had the ball, um, the less of a chance
Speaker 1: the Jaguars had to make a game changing or a
Speaker 1: crushing mistake like throwing a pick six or something like that.
Speaker 1: And the credit of the Jaguars for limiting the Packers
Speaker 1: ability to turn those into points. Um, for the most part,
Speaker 1: it was the Packers settling for three not being able
Speaker 1: to turn those possessions into touchdowns except for a few occasions. Um,
Speaker 1: and kind of just resulting in a closer game than expected.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you watch the game on the field,
Speaker 1: for the most part, you could tell, I mean, you
Speaker 1: knew who was a better team, like we knew coming
Speaker 1: into this game, and it was just a matter of
Speaker 1: them pulling out the victory. Not every win is pretty,
Speaker 1: and this is an ugly win for the Packers, but
Speaker 1: it still counts the same of the standings, even if
Speaker 1: it was against the Jaguars. I think it's interesting, um
Speaker 1: as I alluded to, with the home field advantage, like
Speaker 1: if if there's sixty thou fans going nuts at Lambeau
Speaker 1: in this game, you get the feeling it's just totally different.
Speaker 1: It's this year is different without fans, and ten thousand
Speaker 1: fans in the stadium obviously aren't making that much of
Speaker 1: a difference, because I would guess because I think there
Speaker 1: has been a host of road teams that won again
Speaker 1: this week, and it's continuing to be a situation where
Speaker 1: UH teams on the road actually are fair faring better
Speaker 1: than the host teams and games. So I think there's
Speaker 1: something to that, UH and that's why games like this.
Speaker 1: Although it's a little bit head scratching to me that
Speaker 1: the Jaguars were winning in the fourth quarter and even
Speaker 1: had a chance to drive for what I call go
Speaker 1: for the the ELI set up, which is where you're
Speaker 1: down four points not three, and you got the ball,
Speaker 1: and it's like scorp up down and win or lose. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: And you know, as someone that's leading the lute Night's
Speaker 1: nick sell, I don't see anything magical on that last
Speaker 1: possession by the young passer. No, absolutely not. Um. I
Speaker 1: mean he he is a depth. I think it maybe
Speaker 1: rolling to his strong side, to his right arm side
Speaker 1: and finding an open man, you know, seven or eight
Speaker 1: yards away. But I would expect most quarterbacks he reached
Speaker 1: the NFL to be able to do that. Beyond that, though,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna make a throw that dazzles you. He's
Speaker 1: not going to make the clutch throw for the most part,
Speaker 1: even the week prior his his most clutch play with
Speaker 1: him scrambling and then just spinning out of a tackle
Speaker 1: to score a touchdown. Um, if you watch him on
Speaker 1: a pass by pass basis, it's very clear that this guy, um,
Speaker 1: you know who is who he is and was where
Speaker 1: he was in the roster. This is not the future
Speaker 1: of the Jaguars by uh any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 1: And even if you take him and compared to Gardener
Speaker 1: Gardner Mitchew, who has not been very good this year.
Speaker 1: I would still take Gardner Mitchew, just simply in the
Speaker 1: fact that if I gave him the ball in the
Speaker 1: situation they were in today, he might make a few
Speaker 1: more plays and make it a closer game. You're a
Speaker 1: bit of it. You're in a fixed stand. I mean
Speaker 1: you you've started this fan club. Um, it's already losing
Speaker 1: tremendous stea. It's more like Jake lu Tank at this point,
Speaker 1: and you know what you're gonna You have to stick
Speaker 1: with it. You can't just bail on this. You've got
Speaker 1: a lot of pamphlets to write. Um, you know, got
Speaker 1: to get the mailing addresses up to snuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've tracked this for years, Mark, and what I've noticed
Speaker 1: with you is when times get rough, you just jump
Speaker 1: off your fan clubs. Why can't do the same thing.
Speaker 1: That's that's just inaccurate. I'm completely dug in on these
Speaker 1: David blow doing these days. Yeah, well, I mean the
Speaker 1: blower what were they called? Blow hearts? Not what were
Speaker 1: they called? What are they called? Because it's a vibrant
Speaker 1: community and we know that our time will come. And
Speaker 1: when he goes silent because he's not being given a
Speaker 1: chance do you do you trust the Detroit I am
Speaker 1: blanking on that White Vikings running back Zach Center. No. Uh,
Speaker 1: Toby Gerhart, Toby Garhart, Yeah, where's the where's the Gerhart updates?
Speaker 1: That wasn't a fan that wasn't a fan club so
Speaker 1: much as just a slight fascination. Anyways, back to the
Speaker 1: back to the story at hand. It is shocking, but
Speaker 1: before they need to not have these no shows. It's
Speaker 1: a little shocking to have sixteen first downs, punt four
Speaker 1: or five times, have two turnovers against the Jaguars defense.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a problem. It's great they win the
Speaker 1: game and hopefully it's not a big deal, but they've
Speaker 1: had a couple of no shows offensively, which is surprising
Speaker 1: for for such a good offense. Erica, you have another
Speaker 1: one that just came to mind. Yeah, Seth DeValve. What happened?
Speaker 1: I mean Seth DeValve is one of the safety valves,
Speaker 1: set de Velove and you know Nick knows that Seth
Speaker 1: Develove is someone that is you know, not just gonna
Speaker 1: go away because he shipped his fourth or fifth team
Speaker 1: in as many years. Um TVD not a huge fan club.
Speaker 1: Losing steam. I will admit you've got it? What about
Speaker 1: Bill Laser? Also a fan club under the moment. You
Speaker 1: know what can happen Monday night is Bill Lazer could
Speaker 1: Uh he's calling the plays now for the Bears, and
Speaker 1: he could take out Mark who locked up against the Laser.
Speaker 1: Burned by your own fan club. Very strong in uh
Speaker 1: in the community. Uh. He was a big volunteer guy
Speaker 1: when I was in the Browns. I always saw him
Speaker 1: at all the community events that I had to go
Speaker 1: cover as part of my job. We should mention David
Speaker 1: back try. I gotta I think the biggest contract in
Speaker 1: the history of tackles on Saturday Night, Left left Tackle
Speaker 1: that was gonna anchor on Tuesday podcast Greg Way to
Speaker 1: spoil it happened yesterday. What do we gonna do it?
Speaker 1: I also just wanted to give a nod to James
Speaker 1: Robinson who continues to give a workman like effort and
Speaker 1: broke a hundred yards rushing today. I think he had
Speaker 1: what nine today? So alright, let's players in the late rounds.
Speaker 1: There good breakdown of the game. Boys up next, fire
Speaker 1: us over the middle, Chase Clay Pool of a linkin
Speaker 1: crappate traffic for their Steelers and Levin yard touchdown. Bon Bell,
Speaker 1: scratching his head in the end zone, said, how did
Speaker 1: Ben do it? And how did you do it? How
Speaker 1: about the maple drown over the middle maple tron I
Speaker 1: like that nickname Bill hill Grove with the called w
Speaker 1: d V. Ben Roethlisberger carved up a host of Bengals
Speaker 1: reserves in the secondary for four touchdown to to Chase Claypool.
Speaker 1: Do I believe that's nine and nine games this year?
Speaker 1: That's the rookie kids, because the Steelers cruise to we
Speaker 1: thirty six to ten win over the Bengals in Cincinnati shook.
Speaker 1: This looked like a bad matchup for Cincinnati based on
Speaker 1: the state of the roster, and that's how it played out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: based on the state of the roster and the fact
Speaker 1: that they can't protect Joe Burrow, who attempted eleven passes
Speaker 1: under pressure today and completed one. I think he was
Speaker 1: hit a total of thirteen times, which is actually a
Speaker 1: lower total than I expected considering this Pittsburgh defense leads
Speaker 1: the league in total pressures as a team this year.
Speaker 1: But I mean, it was what you could expect. It
Speaker 1: was basically a tale of a team taking a lead
Speaker 1: with on the back of its defense shutting down the
Speaker 1: opposing offense. The Steelers being that defense, converting that one
Speaker 1: of those turnovers that they had, they forced two turnovers
Speaker 1: in the first half, endo points and just suffocating the Bengals.
Speaker 1: They didn't have much to do of anything. They missed
Speaker 1: Joe makes It a lot um and Tee Higgins had
Speaker 1: a nice game, but for the most part, I mean,
Speaker 1: when you go over thirteen on third down, you don't
Speaker 1: have much of a chance in this game. And no
Speaker 1: matter how good Joe Burrows looked so far, I think
Speaker 1: the Bengals produced a blueprint to shut him down. You
Speaker 1: have to have the personnel, of course, to execute that um.
Speaker 1: But for the first time I think this year, Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow looked completely uncomfortable for a large portion of this game.
Speaker 1: A lot of that had to do with the fact
Speaker 1: that they were from behind early and they were trying
Speaker 1: to crawl their way back in. You had to drop
Speaker 1: back over forty times again, which has become a recurring
Speaker 1: theme for the Bengals, But largely their offense really missed
Speaker 1: Joe Makes It and they just weren't able to keep up.
Speaker 1: I think the rematches with the Bengals against the Steelers
Speaker 1: and Ravens matter because whatever positive spin you want to
Speaker 1: put on Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow and the season
Speaker 1: they're having doesn't feel right if they lose by thirty
Speaker 1: every time they play the Ravens. I mean they couldn't.
Speaker 1: They couldn't they were the Ravens and the Steelers. I mean,
Speaker 1: they couldn't move the ball at all. They've been absolutely
Speaker 1: blown out by both of those teams, and then you know,
Speaker 1: they lost the Browns. So they're staring at oh and
Speaker 1: six in the division, even though they looked good almost
Speaker 1: every other week on offense, like you got to have
Speaker 1: an answer for those teams or else that it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter if you're looking good the other weeks. They've
Speaker 1: played everybody else tighth this season except for those two games.
Speaker 1: But in those two games, they were outscored sixty three
Speaker 1: to thirteen, So I mean it tells you where they are.
Speaker 1: They can hang and even beat any teams that are
Speaker 1: average or below average, but when you go up that
Speaker 1: weight class in your own division, it's they're just not close.
Speaker 1: It seems like Pittsburgh and Baltimore not um not into
Speaker 1: the concept of Ohio football becoming the thing in the
Speaker 1: a f C North. Nick, Yeah, that's what I was
Speaker 1: gonna say that. You know, the same can be said
Speaker 1: of the Browns, who are six and three but got
Speaker 1: absolutely destroyed by both those teams in similar fashion. It's
Speaker 1: kind of I felt like I was watching a less
Speaker 1: talented I don't know if that's necessarily the word, but
Speaker 1: unless equipped Brown's team playing this game today, basically every
Speaker 1: other Browns team we've watched before this season, yeah, except
Speaker 1: for the franchise quarterback and everything else was pretty much
Speaker 1: like It's like we have a perfect encapsulation through ten
Speaker 1: weeks of what the af C North is. You have
Speaker 1: the two big dogs, the Ravens and Steelers, and they
Speaker 1: are gonna be neck and neck, and it probably will
Speaker 1: come down to the very end of the season. You know,
Speaker 1: the Browns that are clearly a step below those two teams,
Speaker 1: but clearly a step above the Bangles. It's all set
Speaker 1: up right there. We already know what we need to know.
Speaker 1: It helps with organization, I guess we understand what it is.
Speaker 1: The only two blowouts the Steelers have all year, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's good. I think the Steelers have to
Speaker 1: feel good to have a blowout because they they've had
Speaker 1: too many of these these close games. But it's the
Speaker 1: only two blowouts they've had all year. Maybe they can
Speaker 1: build that. I think of like a team like last week,
Speaker 1: like Seattle had seven sacks, but it's like, okay when
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh we had four today, Like quarterbacks coming off of
Speaker 1: the Steelers game typically a loss every time, and loss
Speaker 1: this season, there's like a legit physical hangover to that.
Speaker 1: The Steelers like damage teams and break offenses and then
Speaker 1: you know, you got talk radio going crazy the next
Speaker 1: day and whatever city dealt with Pittsburgh. Yeah, it like
Speaker 1: damages the psyche permanently. It takes weeks to wear off.
Speaker 1: It's like when you get out of college and then
Speaker 1: you go out drinking for the first time, and then
Speaker 1: then you have like a two day after effect. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not just that morning, it's the day after, and
Speaker 1: it might stretched into the next day. Happen twenty two
Speaker 1: or twenty three. That's already happening to you, and it
Speaker 1: happened to me in twenty two. I'm far from twenty
Speaker 1: three now, but yeah, that happened, and you exercise apparently,
Speaker 1: so I don't Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a scientist.
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor. I sit here in an office
Speaker 1: in downtown Cleveland and uh watch football, so you know
Speaker 1: I definitely have that degree. Right, Yeah, let's move on
Speaker 1: to Sunday Night football Sunday. Now, the past goos of
Speaker 1: Myers and it's behind the line of scripation. He's gonna
Speaker 1: back he was and Pert pad will make the catch
Speaker 1: in the end zone. Oh those tricky paths. Al Michael's
Speaker 1: with the call for NBC. Rex Burkehead pulls in the
Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers catch twenty four yard touchdown that put the
Speaker 1: Patriots ahead and they never gave up the lead, going
Speaker 1: away seventeen over the Ravens in rain soaked Gillette Stadium
Speaker 1: and it was terrential, especially in that final drive when
Speaker 1: I guess God decided the Ravens were not winning that
Speaker 1: game because that was mighty So, you know, Greg in
Speaker 1: a tough year um for Patriots fans who had grown
Speaker 1: accustomed to the throne of ease. Uh, it's it's nothing's
Speaker 1: been easy. But this is stupid, stupid, But this is
Speaker 1: a nice win for New England, a bad loss of
Speaker 1: the Ravens and let me say this, Greg, we were
Speaker 1: a little dismissive of your favorite team after they went
Speaker 1: over the Jets. You had some comments that they really
Speaker 1: shouldn't be taken seriously, that they are so flawed and
Speaker 1: they were gonna get wiped in this game. But guess what,
Speaker 1: well coached teams that have some good players find a way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm stunned. This was a game that was hard
Speaker 1: to see coming, like you know thirty one and D
Speaker 1: B O A and defense. Heading into the game, they
Speaker 1: hadn't shown much. The conditions absolutely helped them. I mean,
Speaker 1: they are one of the best power running teams in
Speaker 1: the NFL. It was perfect for a mutter like Damian Harris,
Speaker 1: who has come on in recent weeks, is a lot
Speaker 1: of fun to watch. Does not go down easy. They've
Speaker 1: had some young players step up, like Jacobe Myers. Their
Speaker 1: safety Kyle Dugger played well tonight. But this is more
Speaker 1: of just like a team smart victory that you know,
Speaker 1: you we've seen from Bill Belichick squads over the year
Speaker 1: that obviously did not think they had in them. But
Speaker 1: it's considering the conditions and the opponent, like they're gonna
Speaker 1: be playing meaningful football now for another week they got
Speaker 1: the Texans and uh and you'll see after that. I
Speaker 1: I don't know if they can turn it around, but
Speaker 1: like this alone, to have that sort of classic Patriots
Speaker 1: moment and that weather was was satisfying. Though. It was
Speaker 1: like an instructive UM film that might be used categorically
Speaker 1: down the line for center quarterback exchanges and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: shotguns snaps, I mean mark Ingram the Wildcats snap that
Speaker 1: was botched UM on fourth and one that gave the
Speaker 1: Patriots the ball back at the Baltimore thirty seven, The
Speaker 1: killer the killer missconnection between Lamar on on that one
Speaker 1: play that uh it led to fourth and fifteen where
Speaker 1: he had to run back and dive on it. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: it was terrible weather, but it was terrible weather for
Speaker 1: both teams, and UM they showed that Lamar Jackson is
Speaker 1: one in six in his career and now one in
Speaker 1: seven when they are losing at halftime, and I and
Speaker 1: and it's not a Lamar Jackson thing as much as
Speaker 1: this era of the Ravens, to me, UM is a
Speaker 1: team that needs to be in the lead and then
Speaker 1: they do all the Ravens things that make us so uh,
Speaker 1: you know, inspired, by them and think that they can
Speaker 1: move on into January. But then when they when they
Speaker 1: get knocked back the yard or two when they get punched,
Speaker 1: they don't really respond the way that I would expect
Speaker 1: them to. And and and like I I put a
Speaker 1: tweet out just asking, like, who are the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1: They have one quarter to show us, and all these
Speaker 1: Ravens fans are saying injuries, injuries, were banged up? Well
Speaker 1: you are everyone is. It's like, I don't really like
Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised that, um, most of the
Speaker 1: mentions were just Ravens fans making excuses. They don't seem
Speaker 1: like a team that makes like that, that that uses
Speaker 1: excuses or injuries or whether at all. I think they
Speaker 1: see themselves as the equal of the of the Patriots,
Speaker 1: but they aren't um in terms of where we are today,
Speaker 1: I don't know this to me, I I knocked the
Speaker 1: Ravens down a tier or two in the a f C.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'd totally buy into the experience this season.
Speaker 1: What do you think it is a recurring theme with
Speaker 1: this with the Ravens in the last year and a half.
Speaker 1: I mean, we can go all the way back to
Speaker 1: what they did in the playoffs last year and how
Speaker 1: they had an unceremonious and surprising exit and that lost
Speaker 1: to Tennessee. This is a team, like Mark said, that
Speaker 1: cannot operate from behind with less than a quarter or
Speaker 1: less than a half of football to play um because
Speaker 1: it's and it's not necessarily an indication of Lamar's ability,
Speaker 1: but they just cannot as a team effectively pass the
Speaker 1: ball when they need to. Most they didn't. It was
Speaker 1: hard to throw. But tonight that feels like a weird
Speaker 1: criticism because he threw the ball really well, I thought
Speaker 1: tonight for the most part, here comes the Lamar defenders
Speaker 1: out again. He ever did anything, he didn't do enough,
Speaker 1: he didn't do. What I'm saying is as an offense
Speaker 1: effectively when they are down and they need to do
Speaker 1: something outside of their their scheme, which is they are
Speaker 1: this powerful rushing attack, they struggle to do it. They
Speaker 1: struggled to do it against the Chiefs and they're lost
Speaker 1: earlier this season. And of course the condition tonight, of
Speaker 1: course they had an effect on and he had some
Speaker 1: drop passes and everything else. But my point is is
Speaker 1: for a team that's a legitimate contender. They have found
Speaker 1: themselves in this situation a few times, and every time
Speaker 1: they've proven to be the same team, which is a
Speaker 1: team that cannot come back from a deficit when it
Speaker 1: needs to most. And I don't I don't know how
Speaker 1: you get on board with a team like that down
Speaker 1: the a long distance. Maybe they have, you know, the
Speaker 1: ability to jump out to a lead and dominated on
Speaker 1: the ground, but I can't trust a team like that
Speaker 1: when the games are close late in the year. Tonight
Speaker 1: was unique because of the weather. I just mean, tonight
Speaker 1: is not the night I think. You look at it
Speaker 1: and you blame the Ravens. Best player. I thought Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson played a really strong game, like one of his
Speaker 1: one one of his best throws. It was one of
Speaker 1: those nights where a lot, a lot of one went
Speaker 1: right for the Patriots and they they earned their breaks.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of them were just good plays,
Speaker 1: you know, Rex Burkhead or James White or or Harris
Speaker 1: making good plays on third downs. But I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: like the best throw of the night that Lamar had
Speaker 1: on the second to last drive, and it's taken back
Speaker 1: by a legal formation. The final drive of the game,
Speaker 1: he makes that great run. It comes back by a
Speaker 1: whole like he averaged over eight yards per attempt, and
Speaker 1: in a monsoon he had that one interception. He didn't
Speaker 1: play like amazing. He's definitely stepped down like a huge peg.
Speaker 1: But I look at this game and I'm more worried
Speaker 1: that you know that the only thing the Patriots are
Speaker 1: gonna do is run the ball, and best on best,
Speaker 1: the Ravens are supposed to be good run stoppers. I
Speaker 1: know they lost Campbell and then they lost Williams, but
Speaker 1: the Patriots had it all over them and they won
Speaker 1: the situational football going into halftime with that trick play
Speaker 1: and then coming out of half time with the best
Speaker 1: drive that they had. So that was the Ravens defense,
Speaker 1: which I've talked up a lot this year. They did
Speaker 1: not get it done. Neither did the Ravens running game. Really,
Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't a great game by Baltimore's defense.
Speaker 1: And and you mentioned it that the Patriots ran for
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three yards. Damian Harris. He slowed down
Speaker 1: in the last quarter or so when they were stacking
Speaker 1: the box on him, but he was going off for
Speaker 1: like ten yards a clip at one point and listen,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's gonna get criticism even when you don't think
Speaker 1: he deserves it. But Heavy was it, Heavy lives the crown.
Speaker 1: Heavy sits the crown because he's the defending m v
Speaker 1: P of the league. And when you when you have
Speaker 1: set the bar that high, um, you're gonna be your
Speaker 1: name will be invoked whenever the team struggles. And the
Speaker 1: fact that the fact that we're in a situation here
Speaker 1: where every time the Ravens seem to get punched in
Speaker 1: the mouth, they don't get up. It's just not a
Speaker 1: great look. And I that's at the end. I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna get worked up about the last drive of
Speaker 1: the game because it was an absolute monsoon, but in general,
Speaker 1: like and this isn't literal, but they played like a
Speaker 1: team that just wanted to get out of the rain.
Speaker 1: Like the drive before that was whereas a Patriots fan,
Speaker 1: I think that the Ravens are going to go down
Speaker 1: the field and Mark mentioned it was that center snap,
Speaker 1: but I mean that killed two of their drives. That's execution.
Speaker 1: That's teams dealing with Sam and the Patriots. The Patriots
Speaker 1: that executed in this game, and the Ravens did not.
Speaker 1: So the Ravens are a team that if you have
Speaker 1: doubts about them, they've earned those doubts because it seems
Speaker 1: to me, especially in these games where everyone's watching, that
Speaker 1: they don't always react well to them and it's just
Speaker 1: not a great It's not a great sign. If I'm
Speaker 1: a Baltimore fan, I would just say, also where days
Speaker 1: removed from Lamar Jackson going on the rich Eyes and
Speaker 1: knowing this would become a headline moment, saying people are
Speaker 1: telling us like they're calling out our plays, they're diagnosing
Speaker 1: us pre snap, they know what we're gonna do. Our
Speaker 1: offense is not fresh. It's not something that's gonna surprise you.
Speaker 1: At this point. That's the second major player in their
Speaker 1: offense is complained in the last three weeks. You tell
Speaker 1: me that Bill Belichick like is not seeing what Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson voiced um even before he voiced it, and I
Speaker 1: would just be there just just some concern. There are
Speaker 1: just elements of concern around the Ravens that would leave
Speaker 1: me uneasy if I'm a Baltimore fan thinking you're gonna
Speaker 1: go twelve and four and hop into January. I don't
Speaker 1: think that the course is going to be that smooth,
Speaker 1: um that blissful at all. It's gonna be tough to
Speaker 1: even really get into a good situation playoff wise, um
Speaker 1: at all. This is not three back their three back
Speaker 1: of those Steelers. That now is like a huge deficit.
Speaker 1: It's no longer like you just assume, Oh, it's down
Speaker 1: to those two teams, the Patriots, though, like I'm surprised, uh,
Speaker 1: like Ricky still has issues or she thinks Cam Cam
Speaker 1: is not good, Like I am loving the Cam Newton experience.
Speaker 1: We know it's not Cam Newton from like as a thrower, um,
Speaker 1: but he helps make that running game go, and they
Speaker 1: love playing with Cam Newton. I did not think they
Speaker 1: had this sort of game in them. But like I,
Speaker 1: even if it's only for one season, to me, it's
Speaker 1: been it's like a fun experience that the Cam Newton
Speaker 1: experience like basically everything bad that anyone ever said about
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, it feels like it's the opposite right now.
Speaker 1: And it's a lot more about his like leadership and
Speaker 1: in his mind than really is athleticism that that's carrying
Speaker 1: the day. Yeah, it's it will look back on this
Speaker 1: as a strange time for a lot of different reasons,
Speaker 1: cam Newton being Patriot one of them. But I think
Speaker 1: I think, just to kind of go back on what
Speaker 1: Mark said about the Ravens real quick, you know, my
Speaker 1: criticism of their passing game is not really Lamar based,
Speaker 1: and especially in the element today, it's more about their scheme.
Speaker 1: Like Mark mentioned how Greg Roman's offense, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's necessarily one dimensional, but it's got an element of
Speaker 1: being a little one dimensional and being a little predictable,
Speaker 1: and and I think that when they find themselves in
Speaker 1: situations like that, it's also I think their lack of
Speaker 1: personnel still kind of hurts them. I mean, can we please,
Speaker 1: can we go out and get a number one wide
Speaker 1: receiver for this guy, because because we're not refused to
Speaker 1: do that ever, we're not going to call them Markey's
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown anymore. He's now Marquis Recida Brown. Because he
Speaker 1: is a number two or number three receiver, he doesn't
Speaker 1: get separation. Please get somebody in there to help him
Speaker 1: out at the wide opposition. And another thing, the other
Speaker 1: big thing I think they're missing from last year is
Speaker 1: they lack the depth at tight end that made their
Speaker 1: heavy sets so absolutely can't. They just can't capitalize in
Speaker 1: those missmatches anymore. Nick Boyle had a terrible injury tonight.
Speaker 1: That's going to hurt them again going down the stretch.
Speaker 1: Just Mark Andrew's back there, boy Boyle and Ronnie Stanley
Speaker 1: are the two best blockers by a lot of people's
Speaker 1: estimation at their positions in the entire NFL. And it
Speaker 1: Stanley is not coming back, Boyle might not be coming back.
Speaker 1: Williams and Campbell are gone. You're right, and they are
Speaker 1: excuses on some level. But if those guys aren't coming
Speaker 1: back for a while, that's a problem. You know who
Speaker 1: else is a problem? Jacoby Myers. There you go, Greg, Listen,
Speaker 1: what do you have? Greg? What do you have? You
Speaker 1: have arguably the best offensive line in football? That feels
Speaker 1: like a pretty big deal. In PFF might argue it's
Speaker 1: number one. I mean, I saw all those guys ranked
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen of that ranking when they flash
Speaker 1: it up. You have an emergent running back in Damien Harris.
Speaker 1: You have a cornerback that leads league in interceptions that
Speaker 1: is not Stefan Gilmour, who hopefully will come back down line.
Speaker 1: And you have Cam Newton who can make things happen
Speaker 1: from time to time. Oh, and the best head coach
Speaker 1: of all time. So I mean you were playing the
Speaker 1: fiddle and or the violin saying how this team is
Speaker 1: not any good? They're still pretty good and don't rule
Speaker 1: them out sneaking in the back door of the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I'm stupid, all right. You're also you're also one Jacob
Speaker 1: away from the Jacob trifecta with Jacoby just be a
Speaker 1: Jacob Hollister away from there. It is boom. I think
Speaker 1: Jacobe and Myers is like a legal outfit on the
Speaker 1: East Coast that we grew up with. Also, if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, it was and probably still is. All right,
Speaker 1: good stuff. That is the Week ten recap. We have
Speaker 1: one more game to play, Vikings at Bears a soldier field. Mark, yes,
Speaker 1: just to just to remind you, has locked up Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins on the road against the top defense in prime time.
Speaker 1: So if there's for that reason alone, watched to see
Speaker 1: how good Mark is. It locks he's having a nice season,
Speaker 1: but he's really he's really thrown caution to the wind.
Speaker 1: I mean, unless I switched to the Bears, I've got
Speaker 1: time to to pull that lever if I need to,
Speaker 1: That is a lever um. But thank you, Nick Shook.
Speaker 1: Of course they're helping us out, and Ricky Hollywood's gonna
Speaker 1: sleep well tonight, so I'm happy for her as well.
Speaker 1: This is Dan hands As signing off for the Quiet Storm,
Speaker 1: the Old Boss, the Unshookable Nick Shook, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and Ricky Hollywood not Ricky Rosita, although that does roll
Speaker 1: off the top on the until Tuesday,