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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now officially, this is the official start of

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Speaker 1: the podcast, and I have to say I feel great

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Speaker 2: But we're diving in primarily about different ways two people

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Speaker 2: You'd think the only two ways for two people to

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Speaker 1: It is so offensive to think that those are the

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Speaker 1: only two ways to talk to a person, because we

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Speaker 1: are inventing such amazing new ways to be able to

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Speaker 1: talk to a person who's really, really far away.

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Speaker 2: I would say we are inventing different ways that almost

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Speaker 2: all feel like things that would be in the movie

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Speaker 2: Her Like. It's all of them are like a different

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Speaker 2: commentary on contemporary society and culture. It's like, oh, someone's

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Speaker 2: looking at a screen, but their eyes are looking somewhere else,

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Speaker 2: and someone is alone in a room that has like

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Speaker 2: is a short story by Ted Chang.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really do feel.

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Speaker 1: We've been in the same room so much recently we've

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Speaker 3: Of being separate. You know, we are.

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Speaker 1: I think it's you have to bring it up. We

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Speaker 1: are a pandemic era. Are the rootscast our pandemic era.

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Speaker 2: I would say we got two cocky after lockdown measures lifted,

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Speaker 2: sure enough that was not the case, despite what the

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Speaker 2: pandemic is ranging on, we are back in different rooms.

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Speaker 1: Actually so yeah, well I have to say, how you know,

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Speaker 1: I do feel jealous of your backdrop.

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Speaker 2: I know this is and again we've mentioned that. I

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Speaker 2: out first, so we should go right out and say it.

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Speaker 2: I am recording in a room that is overlooking sort of.

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Speaker 2: I would say it's close enough to Times Square that

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Speaker 2: it feels like Times Square. I'm on forty sixth Street

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Speaker 2: and it looks like I am at like hosting you

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Speaker 2: Year's eve in Times Square. It looks like I'm hosting TRL.

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Speaker 2: It looks like I'm gonna look down and all my

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Speaker 2: fans will be there saying when's the next episode of

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Speaker 2: Stradio app coming out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean literally, you I need like a like an

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Speaker 1: epilepsy warning before this episode, because there's a flash flashing

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Speaker 1: behind me, flashing billboard lights behind you, and I can't.

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Speaker 1: It's so jarring. You've already put it out, but you

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Speaker 1: were wearing such a tasteful sort of black ensemble, and

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Speaker 2: Is you know what jarring I I feel like, because

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing a very sort of serious looking outfit. All

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Speaker 1: And this is one that is genius and correct. Two

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Speaker 1: do you think, Okay, how possible is it as an

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Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, you're quoting me.

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Speaker 1: Whoa so earlier earlier this week, our famous segment, Tell

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Speaker 2: Segment Tell the tweet. Earlier this week. I had the thought,

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Speaker 2: while posting online. Mm hmm, Like everyone thinks they're going

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Speaker 2: in a second. Everyone sees everyone humiliating themselves, and our

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Speaker 2: and I have interiority, whereas all these people don't have interiority.

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Speaker 2: Come to find out, everyone thinks they themselves have interiority.

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Speaker 2: It's just that social media flattens that interiority, and so

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is genius and I do

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're saying you can. Can you maintain your dignity

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Speaker 2: is one such environment. I would say another one is like.

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Speaker 1: For example, like like one thing I've been, I consider

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Speaker 1: And it almost points out just how like sad and

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Speaker 2: Here's another example, being in a fitting room trying on

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Speaker 2: I mean, is there a way for you to maintain

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Speaker 3: There's no way. We are only products of our environment.

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Speaker 3: We can't fight it. Yeah, it's just the truth.

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Speaker 2: I think that is very much the case with like

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Speaker 2: they make Judith Butler do a video, do a TikTok

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Speaker 2: And then Judith Butler's like, well, except Beyonce. And in

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Speaker 3: Damn. That is tough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm am I no I think this is a

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Speaker 2: perfect place to do. So this is I think this

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Speaker 2: so I without further ado, she's joining the Farmer's Club.

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Speaker 2: Give her. We'll give her her little jacket afterwards, and

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Speaker 2: we'll do a sketch a sketch about it where it's

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Speaker 2: you and Paul Rudd. That's yeah, please welcome and and

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Speaker 2: dare I say, you know, in the previous world, I

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Speaker 2: will say filmmaker, writer, director of the new film from

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Speaker 2: Neon Pictures. Stress positions, Theta Hammel.

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Speaker 4: Hello you both, hellot you both, George Sam. It's a

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Speaker 4: pleasure to be back. It's a pleasure to be doing

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Speaker 4: this hilarious two timers match with Paul Rudd.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on his way, Paul Rudd. Alec Baldwin is actually.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Steve Martin's in the studio tonight. So that's really exciting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Theda, you know, speaking of being able to

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Speaker 2: maintain your dignity while being in an undignified space, we

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Speaker 2: are forcing you to do a video podcast. There's no

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Speaker 2: who I do believe has dignity, and yet we have

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Speaker 4: I think so so far.

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Speaker 4: That is because I was thinking when you guys were

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Speaker 4: talking that it is context specific, that it's like a

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Speaker 4: to maintain their dignity while doing a podcast. As ridiculous

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Speaker 4: as that sounds, there are also people who, like for example, models, Yes,

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Speaker 4: they might fall, right, That is a very good point.

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Speaker 1: The difficulty of being a model is maintaining dignity and

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Speaker 2: Yes, And also by the way, that is the entire

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Speaker 2: genius behind America's next top model. Is what if you

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Speaker 2: situations than Bellahadida put that is what that is The

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Speaker 2: cruelty of it is being like if Bellahdide was riding

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Speaker 2: to maintain her dignity. Yes, but you stupid bitch from

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Speaker 4: Well, this is the problem. That's the other thing is

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Speaker 4: you go stupid, like that's the dumbest thing, and then

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Speaker 4: I'm stupid because I was trying to make a offer.

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Speaker 4: But it's but that second angle is like that second

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Speaker 4: Yes, And it's really hard. What were we talking about

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Speaker 4: Fitting rooms, happening room. I ruined it.

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Speaker 4: We're check I am I'm sorry to you both. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: No, never apologize for being yourself.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that, it's fire.

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Speaker 4: Totally, there's a fire. They know they're reactive participants in

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Speaker 3: All that power she built dignity.

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Speaker 2: Down, Get her her dignity back. No, I have so

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Speaker 2: I just want to say, sneezing a perfect example of like,

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Speaker 3: Are just bunkin you can maintain your dignity while you.

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Speaker 4: Take up space.

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Speaker 2: You have to go exactly, well, you have to go big.

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Speaker 2: I used to be very embarrassed about my dad. You know,

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Speaker 1: Well, and also like do you get the release if

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Speaker 2: You get the release exactly.

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Speaker 3: People who will I be if I get released? I

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Speaker 2: But to go back to your male model thing, I

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Speaker 1: I mean also seeing like the half eaten food, like

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Speaker 4: Well this, I remember this. I mean I've probably like

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Speaker 2: This is you can stuck cock with dignity.

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Speaker 4: You can eat with yeah, if you have a sort

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Speaker 4: everybody goes, oh, yeah, that's scary. That's just how he is. Right,

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Speaker 4: Like you could probably eat a big fo subway sandwich

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Speaker 1: You do either of you feel that you can eat

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I have a small mouth, a weird face.

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Speaker 4: It's not going to actually can suck cock with I.

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Speaker 4: You could probably eat, you could go to snippers, I

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Speaker 2: I think there are two kinds of people when it

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Speaker 2: I am the former. I am like, I of course

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like okay or straight.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, but I can I'm recognized. If someone walked in

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Speaker 4: Imagine enjoy Yeah, you wouldn't be caught out.

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Speaker 2: it's a real betrayal. Do you feel like you're the

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Speaker 4: Oh? My god, I don't know. Well, I think for

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Speaker 4: It just means. That just means like a smooch and

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Speaker 4: would like to be more demure in life and walk

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Speaker 2: That is so fascinating because you would think it would

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Speaker 4: It's it would be kind. It would be because because

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Speaker 4: you don't feel like you're doing something wrong. Yeah, but

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Speaker 4: if that I'm fully the second category, I'm not the

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Speaker 2: So maybe there is a third category that is going

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Speaker 4: It's the one that it feels appropriate to the situation.

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Speaker 4: So but I haven't I haven't been in that role

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely I think in the camp of losing yourself.

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Speaker 4: Is that out of is that out of carnal just

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I sometimes I sometimes am almost envious of people

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, so it's like, this is my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I had the opposite my parents. My family

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, Oka, I'm gonna be bad, Like this

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Speaker 2: Wait, I actually am so eager to get into the topic.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, let's literally do our first segment getting

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Speaker 2: How do we feel about that?

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Speaker 3: I think that's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Okay, theta our first segment is called straight Shooters. And

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Speaker 2: in this segment, we ask you a series that you

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Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, we.

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Speaker 2: Ask you a series or rapid fire questions. You have

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: The one rule is you can't ask any follow up

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Speaker 2: go with your gut and you can't overthink it because

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Speaker 2: overthinking is the leading cause of death among intellectuals, among

440
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Speaker 2: Manhattan based intellection. Yeah yeah, so let me pull mine

441
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Speaker 2: up all right? Uh okay, ready, m okay, dripping with

442
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Speaker 2: contempt or quipping about Hannah Rn.

443
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Speaker 1: Dripping with contempt, okay, theta camouflage or decaletage.

444
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Speaker 2: Decalatage ada, building a brand that can cut through the noise,

445
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Speaker 2: or sinking into sand but doing it with poise.

446
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Speaker 4: Sinking into sand but doing.

447
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Speaker 3: Okay, chilakis or me lacunis.

448
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Speaker 2: Oh ChIL Okay, the rent was due? Or get bent

449
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Speaker 2: I do? The rent was due was due?

450
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Speaker 3: Okay?

451
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Speaker 1: Mixing business with pleasure or mixing salt with pepper.

452
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Speaker 4: Mixing salt with pepper.

453
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Speaker 2: Wow, classic combination if I've ever heard one. Okay, the joker,

454
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Speaker 2: fully I do? Or playing poker and entering that milieu.

455
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Speaker 4: I have to say, playing poker and entering that mill,

456
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Speaker 4: you know, off.

457
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Speaker 1: I okay, suddenly the Kons is me, or or suddenly

458
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Speaker 1: I see this is what I want to.

459
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Speaker 4: Be, Suddenly the Coons is me.

460
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: God to be too gay guys that without planning it

461
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Speaker 2: did to Lady Gaga themes.

462
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Speaker 1: No row.

463
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Speaker 4: With the second one. Yeah, for my for my disparagement

464
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Speaker 4: of the first one.

465
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would never ever not want to be two

466
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Speaker 1: gay guys having two Lady Gaga references in a segment.

467
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Speaker 2: Well, because I do. We can't get into Gaga because

468
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Speaker 2: it's too raw.

469
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Speaker 4: It's too raw.

470
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Speaker 2: But I know that you are someone who thinks about.

471
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and I know it's like I know that

472
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Speaker 4: I'm going to have to think more about her the

473
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 4: closer we get to Folly, I do, whereas Coons is me.

474
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 4: Those are happy memories.

475
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Speaker 3: Those are happy memories.

476
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Speaker 2: You know, you actually really have to pace yourself in

477
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Speaker 2: terms of fully I do. Yes, you know what I mean. Yeah,

478
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't. There's a world in which I

479
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Speaker 2: will enter such a deep depression if I think about

480
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Speaker 2: it too hard.

481
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Speaker 4: Yes, it's too actually too many, it's too much.

482
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Speaker 1: I mean it's the way that a piece of media

483
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Speaker 1: is like, Okay, the next year is laid out for me,

484
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: like I know what I will be talking about, when

485
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Speaker 1: I will be talking about it, how I will be

486
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Speaker 1: talking about it.

487
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Speaker 4: It's right now, feeling it amounting well, because then you're

488
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Speaker 4: feeling it because speaking of pieces of media, you know

489
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Speaker 4: you are actively promoting your directorial debut.

490
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Speaker 2: That's nice.

491
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Speaker 4: That's a nice segue. That's a nice thing I'll draft

492
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Speaker 4: off of folio.

493
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Speaker 2: Do you know?

494
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Speaker 4: Fantastic energy.

495
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Speaker 2: We weren't able to locate a screener and we're so

496
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: we're both seeing it along with everyone else in New

497
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: York and Los Angeles this week. But and correct me

498
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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. From what I understand, it is about

499
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Speaker 2: a young tennis player played by Zendeia.

500
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 4: Yes, it's about a love triangle, classic information.

501
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: She gets injured, like tennis, brutally so and you see

502
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: every you see every bit of it.

503
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 4: You see that bone through the knee.

504
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you know, based this on your career

505
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: as a tennis as a telayer.

506
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: No, I bought as a tennis coach. I based it

507
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 4: on my career as a tennis coach. You know, young professionals,

508
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 4: and I myself was was hot gay Josh O'Connor or whatever.

509
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 2: Oh see, I would have thought you were Zindia, but

510
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: you were.

511
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: You know, I was hot gay Josh O'Connell and I

512
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 4: and I this is earlier in my life. Oh yeah,

513
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 4: that's some serious changes. But before I did that, boy

514
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 4: did I have a great time. And who challenged a

515
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: lot of stereotypes. I got the name.

516
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: You're one of the top people who challenged Yes.

517
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, there's three of us, you know, and all

518
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 4: of us.

519
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: Yes, you, Josh O'Connor and Luke of what.

520
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 4: You and the other one, the twink one.

521
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are the challengers.

522
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: Imagine if you know you're the other twink. Okay, yeah,

523
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: your entire life, you've been told God, what a beautiful

524
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: twink you are. You know, some day, some day you'll

525
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: be someday you'll be one of the twinks with see

526
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 2: on TV.

527
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 4: Okay, some day, funny, Mike.

528
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: No one imagine that is happening for you. Suddenly you

529
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: get the opportunity to be a twink on TV, and slow,

530
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: suddenly the koons is you lo and behold you're sharing

531
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: the screen with Zindia, the number one actress of her generation,

532
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: and Josh O'Connor, the Chosen Twink of twenty twenty four.

533
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: But Josh O'Connor is not twin.

534
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 4: Look, it doesn't matter anymore. It's as if he were sorry,

535
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 4: It's as if he were the Chosen Twink. Right, you

536
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Because Josh, little Josh has got

537
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 4: like five billion gigs lined up.

538
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true.

539
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 4: He's been chosen.

540
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: Right.

541
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: Did you see Lakimara?

542
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: I did? Yeah, Yeah, I think I thought it was beautiful.

543
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 4: I thought it was nice. I thought, you know, and

544
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: it features the chosen that chosen, the chosen Twink himself,

545
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: looking wonderful and all filthy, yeah, and speaking Italian.

546
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 3: The entire time.

547
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, huh. I mean, Sam, you seem like you

548
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 4: have a You didn't what you didn't see La Kimara

549
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 4: also from neon No in theaters.

550
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: Now one movie. We're not talking about it yours.

551
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: Well.

552
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: I want to support the brand. I want to support

553
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 4: the company we have lucky yeah you know Ocula and theaters.

554
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: Oh yes, immaculate with a gorgeous and talented Sydney Sweeney ladies.

555
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: And Sydney Sweeney ladies and gentlemen.

556
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: Whoa I like to you know, I think it's really

557
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: smart to raise up neon. You know, rising tide lifts

558
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: all ships.

559
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: So I think that's do you.

560
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 4: We were talking about Josh O'Connor. I was trying to

561
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: probe your well I comfort.

562
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 2: I do think Sam, you did seem a very defensive

563
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: when I called him a twink and have been a

564
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: bit quiet as we're getting into you know, how he's

565
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: the chosen one of twenty twenty four.

566
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: It's not that I don't think he's the chosen one.

567
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: I just don't know if he's the chosen twink. I think,

568
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think words matter.

569
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: I think well of us, especially going into an election year.

570
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, you know, we can't just talk

571
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: about a straight thing is just to call anybody a twink.

572
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: Who You're right, that's a good point. That's a good point.

573
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay, but we aren't just calling him

574
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: a twink. We're calling him the chosen, chosen twin.

575
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: The chosen twink has to be a twink.

576
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: Like I think.

577
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 4: I don't think so that's like, you know, speaking of

578
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 4: chosen twinks, like like is Paul Atres a from a freeman? Okay, No,

579
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 4: he's just he was chosen that's the point that literally

580
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: the chosen.

581
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: So you think that.

582
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: You guys are both being.

583
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: The I'm being Zendia in Dune too, and I'm sort

584
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: of being like, no, I don't.

585
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: He's not my chosen twink. Yeah, and you are being bitch.

586
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: We're being like Javier bar Dam Get in line, yeah,

587
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 4: fall in behind Josh O'Connor, the chosen twink. He's like,

588
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 4: he's juicy and great and handsome. He's what we need. Okay,

589
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 4: it's gravitas, big dirty hands in that fucking movie, digging

590
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 4: through those tunes. Yeah, you're gonna love it. Got he's

591
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 4: got it all down. That suit, okay, that white suit.

592
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't wait to see it. I do

593
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: find him extremely hot.

594
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: He's hot, okay. And your your hesitation, Sam, is that

595
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: he's is it that he's too tall because I think

596
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: he has a twink. He has a twink.

597
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm being grilled. I think, you know,

598
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: I think I'm being so bullied right now. And I

599
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: think once the listeners.

600
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: Mike f Gus is the chosen Twink. Here's the other

601
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: challenger is the chosen twink.

602
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: No one even knows who that is, Sam.

603
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: I think he's more Twinkie. I think, if we're being honest,

604
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: I think he's more Twinkie.

605
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 4: Well, I guess. I mean that's true. I mean that's true,

606
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: But I don't see how it has any bearing on it.

607
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: I think I just think he's like Josh O'Connor is

608
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: like two beefye.

609
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: Wow, my god, Well we forget a wall here. We're

610
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: not going to come together. Look we're that we're on

611
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 4: the East coast. You're on the west.

612
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

613
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: Maybe Josh O'Connor is just too East coast for you,

614
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And the other one is it's pizza, pizza, cigarettes,

615
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: all black, Oh my, Bradshaw, it's the West Village. It's Julius.

616
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: Yes, god caring, you know, I put in my fucking

617
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: time and you're tripping me.

618
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: Have you heard of Bosquiat? God, those were the days.

619
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 4: Those were the days you could get a you could

620
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 4: get a loft for a nickel.

621
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: Sure it would have for a nickel and then a

622
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: blow job in the corner. Yeah, Amandola poor.

623
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 4: We were all.

624
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: Sucking back then.

625
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 4: Josh O'Connor takes us back to those days. Juliani, Philip Glass,

626
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 4: you know, Robert Wilson.

627
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, basqu Yacht.

628
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: Well, I'll reflecked on this and I'll try to understand

629
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: where you're coming from.

630
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: Whether or not he's a twinket. Is exciting to have

631
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: a new guy.

632
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: It's a nice it's nice have a new guy. I

633
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: feel that he is like he is like our Adam Driver.

634
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 4: If Adam Driver play was set to play basically like

635
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 4: five gay roles in a row, you know, which is

636
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: what I wanted from Adam Driver and probably will never get. Yes,

637
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: he ever played gay Adam Driver. I actually don't know.

638
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 4: I'm not, but I don't somehow. Oh you know what

639
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: I saw him speaking of Times Square and in Angels

640
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 4: in America. He was playing gay then Mormon. Oh yeah,

641
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: gay and Mormon.

642
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: That's he That's a great role for him.

643
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: Was he Oh no, he was Lewis. No, he wasn't

644
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 4: he was Lewis, He was Tony Kushner. Can you believe it?

645
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: Adam Driver?

646
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: Was he good? Yes?

647
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: He was good. He was extremely attractive. This is I

648
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 4: think before he became like a huge, huge star. Anyway,

649
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 4: speaking of attractive men, you know, well, you know what's

650
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: I just want to say in terms of Adam Driver like, yeah,

651
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: they anyone up and down, you know, Sunset Boulevard has

652
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 4: to play a gay role for some Netflix rom com

653
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 4: and the one person, as you're saying, which is so genius,

654
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 4: that would be such a fun person to see in

655
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: a gay role.

656
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: Oh yes, doesn't do it.

657
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 4: Doesn't do it.

658
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: Adam Driver should be in like an Oscar movie playing

659
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: a gay guy.

660
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 4: They believe me. I bet Luca Guadanino every day is

661
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 4: like saying did he call that violent? Like he's ready

662
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 4: to stand outside that door, and it doesn't have the

663
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 4: movie never has to get made. He's just saying, Adam,

664
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 4: please please, I need a new sofa. I mean need

665
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 4: a new I need to redo my patio. Can you

666
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 4: please just sign on to a development deal to play

667
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: a gay role for me? I'm Luca.

668
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: While we're talking about just generally handsome actors, I'm like

669
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: Paul Mezcal also constantly like has like fourteen gay roles

670
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: in the works, which.

671
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: Twin but we can all yes, go.

672
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: But I'm just sort of like I'm sort of like, okay, wait,

673
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: what are you trying to? Are you? Is this like

674
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: are you gay?

675
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: Like?

676
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: Bro? Are you gay?

677
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: Okay, bro, Bro, you're playing gay so much. I'm like,

678
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: are you gay? Like I actually feel like he's trying

679
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: to tell us he's gay.

680
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 4: I think it's a fucking huge mistake for him to

681
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: do all this gay shit, do you think?

682
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: So?

683
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Paul Mescal And I think.

684
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: His star has never been right.

685
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 4: Really, you do kind of to me, like when I

686
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 4: to me, there's something like corny and squeamish about like

687
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 4: going like, yeah, I really got into it, no holds

688
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: barred in terms of kissing and sex totally.

689
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I agree that it's corney. I guess my.

690
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: You know, you have to in order to be a story,

691
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: you have to reach the right level of corniness where

692
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: you could be both accepted by the A twenty four

693
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: crowd and accepted by the Netflix crowd. And I think

694
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: he is at that perfect nexus right now. Don't get

695
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: me wrong. You know, poke him with one pinky and

696
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: he might fall.

697
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

698
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not saying he's there reigning forever. Yes's to

699
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: be careful, but I do think he is in that

700
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: sweet spot that Timmy was after like call me by

701
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: your name or after late Mescal.

702
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

703
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe not as big, but you know what I mean,

704
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: Like half Indie half means.

705
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 4: No, that's true, that's true. That's true.

706
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: And actually where Adam Driver was sort of right after

707
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 2: Girls where he had like done Girls but also done

708
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: Star Wars or whatever.

709
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 4: The thing. The thing is, you never know with Preacher Sister,

710
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 4: you never you never know who's gonna listen and get

711
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 4: mad at you. Children will listen, children will listen. So

712
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 4: to me, I'll say that I wish the best for

713
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 4: Paul mescal That said, I want to offer my condolences

714
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 4: for him, because he's not the chosen twink, the chosen

715
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: Josh O'Connor that's already been decided block has been set

716
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: for the next presidential term. That's the Josh O'Connor term.

717
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 4: You know. Chalame was the chosen twink for the past

718
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 4: couple of years. Now he's I don't know if he's

719
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: the chosen twink, you know. To me, it's like he's

720
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 4: actually too big. He's actually too big.

721
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: I agree. I actually think Timmy, it's so big that

722
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 2: he is surpassing just the volume that his tiny body

723
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: can handle. I agree. The only way further is for

724
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: him to like literally get buff. Yeah, he's done as

725
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 2: much as he can as a little.

726
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no true, It's like and we can't

727
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 4: just see him get tossed around.

728
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: He has to, like I has to put.

729
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: On to go to Schnipper's. He has to shove a

730
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 4: burger in his mouth. It would look fine.

731
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

732
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: I so we really are doing an amazing job of

733
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: not promoting Theta's film. Oh yes, we I think, like

734
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: maybe a better job than anyone of not promoting Theta's film.

735
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, Theta, do you feel when someone avoids.

736
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 3: Promoting your movie?

737
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: Are you like, are you like this is good because

738
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: I can continue to joke and laugh, or are you

739
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: like this is bad because I need to promote this movie? No?

740
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: I don't promote the movie, and I'm happy to. I

741
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 4: feel like it's enough to go movie m day, to

742
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: haunt whatever and then talk about other things. I can

743
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: talk about the movie. The movie is. The movie is great.

744
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 4: It's one of the It's the greatest movie ever made

745
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 4: by anybody.

746
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: Made We've ever made, so certainly greatest movie ever made,

747
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: starring three past Stradio Lab guests, and I think we

748
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 2: can who's the thought? Oh wait, that's not true, because sorry,

749
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: maybe it is true, But I just mean there are

750
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: other examples, I would say the two movies that star

751
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: three straight OLB guests are Fire Island and your film,

752
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: Ah is John and Amy's Amazing.

753
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and we play, we make up. I don't

754
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 4: know what you want to make of this. The rotten

755
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 4: millennial core of the movie. Yes, oh, the three of you,

756
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 4: the three of us, So okay, the three characters, there's

757
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 4: three rotten sort of I don't want to say rotten.

758
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: You know, they're fallible, but it's not totally abject. And

759
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 4: then they are uh, sort of all engaging with members

760
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: of the younger generation, and then there are some members

761
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 4: of the older generation. So it's all about this sort

762
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 4: of general antagonism a little bit, which is very topical.

763
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 3: Very hot. Right.

764
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: Well, now I'll tell you something because I actually noticed this.

765
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: Like again, we have not seen the film, but we

766
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: know a lot about it, and I think I think

767
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: you are someone and maybe I'm projecting, but I think

768
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: you are someone who either tackles everything head on or

769
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: wants to exist outside of the discourse altogether. And I

770
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: think with this movie, you took everything like generational discourse,

771
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 2: COVID hypocrisies, sort of like doing a recent period piece

772
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: which I think is very unentrend Like you really went

773
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: all in on all of it, like you were like,

774
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: this is a no matter what a conversation piece. Was

775
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: that intentional?

776
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: Well, it's like I kind of did both. I kind

777
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 4: of did both things, maybe in a cowardly way like

778
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 4: the movie does that. The there was a version of

779
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 4: the movie that was like really early draft that was

780
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 4: so tasteful, and I do have a shit and Piss podcast,

781
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: like and that's like at least half of what I

782
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 4: am capable of doing. And it's not that I went

783
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: in and did a shit and piss draft. I was

784
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 4: just like, this is too aloof, like, so I'll steer

785
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: it a little bit more towards the bull's eye a

786
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 4: little bit. Yeah, But the movie is is oblique in

787
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: the way that it handles a lot of stuff that

788
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 4: is ambient in the discourse. So there is stuff about ethnicity, identity,

789
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 4: there is stuff about generational antagonism. There's obviously stuff about

790
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 4: COVID and and pandemic stuff. But like the I really

791
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 4: don't think that the movie makes a meal of it

792
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: the way that like a fucking contemporary Not to disparage

793
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 4: this because it's it's like a little bit of a cliche,

794
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 4: and maybe nobody is doing this anymore, but a contemporary

795
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: play would do where like you take a topic from

796
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: the headlines, you have like a professor say something untoward

797
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: and they're off the cuff remarks to a student, and

798
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: then the play ends with somebody having strangled somebody else

799
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: hea being covered in water, you know, panting, and then

800
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: the curtain drops down there and they go, ah, do

801
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

802
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: I've seen four plays like that this calendar.

803
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: Year, because it is like, okay, I do think that

804
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 4: that that my goal with the movie, and I'm being

805
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 4: oblique now, but my goal with the movie is to

806
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 4: to actually shrink all of this explosive discourse down into

807
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 4: something a little bit smaller and gentler in order to

808
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 4: actually be able to look at it without the the

809
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 4: raging torrent of like of Twitter, of Twitter, yes and

810
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 4: things like that. So and the present moment.

811
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: It's interesting. It's the difference between like an allegory and

812
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: a oh god not metanim or I guess it's a

813
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: difference between going big and going small. And actually, there's

814
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: something I was thinking about the other day is like,

815
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: are small questions bigger than big questions.

816
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 3: This is such a classic George thought.

817
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, it's very it's hard to

818
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 4: come down one way or the other, Like is it.

819
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: Actually when you think about like what's the biggest question,

820
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: like what is the meaning of life? Yeah's actually the

821
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: dumbest question.

822
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: What say, No, I have to say, I'm addicted to

823
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: when you do this. I think it's like one. I

824
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: think it is like we it's always smart, it's always funny.

825
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: But it's also like sometimes it's like if someone were

826
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: doing a parody of us, it would be like is

827
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: something so hot it's actually frozen?

828
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, of course, and yeah I'm aware of

829
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 2: I'm doing a parody of myself.

830
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: No, I think it's I love it. I'm addicted to it.

831
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, Like the biggest question,

832
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: what is the meaning of life? What is the whatever?

833
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: Is that actually the dumbest, most howardly question you can ask?

834
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: And actually the biggest question you can ask is like

835
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: what's for lunch?

836
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 4: Well, this is like I do think that there is

837
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 4: a the question of greatness and scale is one that

838
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 4: I have an opinion on, which is just like that

839
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 4: that there is a great there is an attempt to

840
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 4: make for in making a movie, for example, like to

841
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: pick an important topic and maybe an important person related

842
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 4: to that topic, and then to make an important movie.

843
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 4: So you have let's say nuclear annihilation, yes, and then

844
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 4: you have Oppenheimer, and you go to I'm going to

845
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: talk about Oppenheimer. I'm not going to talk about some

846
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 4: guy that was involved in building the machine. I'm not

847
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 4: going to talk about the douchebag that drops to drop

848
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 4: them from the plane. Like I'm not going to talk

849
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 4: about any of these small things. I'm going to make

850
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 4: a big, immense movie about a big immense person, about

851
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 4: a big, immense important topic. And I do think that

852
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 4: the topic gets drowned in that scale a little bit,

853
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 4: so you actually are losing some of the insight into

854
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 4: what it actually is, maybe the actual extent of the

855
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 4: horror of it. You're losing, you know, what.

856
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: It is, maybe is that you are trying to capture

857
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: the entirety of it, and in doing so, you're making

858
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: it smaller because you're making it fit into a box.

859
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 2: Whereas if you do a small story about a family

860
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: grappling with the anxiety of impending nuclear doom, it remains

861
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: this big thing that is unreachable.

862
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: Yes, And this even happens with framing that if you

863
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 4: have if you're walking, if you're walking in the subway

864
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 4: and you're like, how can I get the full scale

865
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 4: of this environment on screen? You pick a wide lens

866
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 4: and it compresses everything and you see the whole subway,

867
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 4: but it feels small because it's been squeezed into the frame,

868
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 4: whereas if there's more outside of the frame, everything feels bigger.

869
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 4: So I don't know the relationship a big and small

870
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 4: is is exciting.

871
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: You know who?

872
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm like a small of a big thing that works

873
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: well that I like is I'm going to say Cloverfield

874
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: where it's like the big monster, but you're only seeing

875
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: it through these like people that are like we're at

876
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: a party. Oh no, because like when there's a big

877
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: monster thing, it's like I'm seeing it through the government's

878
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: eyes and it's like, we have to take this thing down.

879
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's kind of boring.

880
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, you don't feel scared by it.

881
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 3: I don't feel scared.

882
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's an act. You see a giant Godzilla, that's

883
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: a toy. I've seen that at FAO Schwartz.

884
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: Ye, this thing and it's made of chocolate and I

885
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: hate it.

886
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: It's made of chocolate and I ate it.

887
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think that's a very fruitful question.

888
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: Interesting.

889
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: No, that's an amazing I also both of you in

890
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: all black discussing this. I was really like, I'm at

891
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: a talk back, I'm at a Q and A. This

892
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: is so MoMA coded.

893
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: Should we get into our topic.

894
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a great idea, Ada.

895
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: I would love for you to sort of like take

896
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: it away and just tell us like what topic is

897
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: and what is straight about it, and then we can

898
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: go from there.

899
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 4: Okay, So this is a little bit of a loose one,

900
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 4: so I felt like, I think maybe we can develop

901
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 4: a little bit. Yes, but it's with regarding straight men

902
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: the difference between shame and embarrassment, specifically that they never

903
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 4: feel embarrassed, but they quite often feel ashamed. Yes, And

904
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 4: the one example that I can think of is that

905
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 4: I'm trying after a long absence to go back to

906
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 4: the gym, and I feel so embarrassed at the gym.

907
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 4: I think that being at the gym is totally embarrassing.

908
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 4: I think lifting weights is embarrassing. I think the whole

909
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 4: thing is really embarrassing. The outfits are embarrassing. I don't

910
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: think that straight men are embarrassed to be at the gym.

911
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 4: I don't think they're embarrassed to be grunting and lifting

912
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: weights and heaving things. I think they feel shame that

913
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 4: they aren't stronger. They feel, you know, in a way

914
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 4: that don't. I don't feel ashamed to not be strong.

915
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 4: I don't feel ashamed to be not good at lifting

916
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 4: weights or working out. I'm embarrassed embarrassed at a gym. Yes, wow,

917
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 4: that's well, I'm just spitballing here. First thought, Okay, first

918
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 4: thought is embarrassment more corporeal and shame is more internal? Yes,

919
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 4: Like you are.

920
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: So aware of your body and that's what makes you embarrassed.

921
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 4: Yes, embarrassment is like right in the face. It's like

922
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 4: you feel you're blushing, you get embarrassed, you don't know

923
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 4: what to do with your hands, that kind of thing.

924
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: And it's like a guy even just like a guy.

925
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: The sounds men make like at the urinal, just like

926
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: you're in the bathroom trying to be a normal person

927
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: and someone next to you is being like.

928
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 4: Yeah with yes, unremorse, with no remorse. Yeah, the uh,

929
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: I don't know if I don't know. For example, if

930
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 4: straight guys feel embarrassed when their jokes fail, I don't

931
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 4: know if they feel embarrassed like when they flop at

932
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 4: a dinner party, like over like at a dinner party conversation,

933
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 4: what do you think?

934
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: I almost think that there's like they don't put the

935
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: pressure on themselves to succeed at that like like this

936
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: act thing I think, like at a dinner party, like

937
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: I do think I was mentioned this before, but like

938
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: the a straight person feels embarrassed at like the idea

939
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: of public performance, like they like putting on a show

940
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: is embarrassing, but like just moving. There's something almost like

941
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: back to your small versus big question about this where

942
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: like gay people feel embarrassed in the small and and

943
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: comfortable and not embarrassed in the big like like and

944
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: I feel like straight people are the opposite.

945
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: Where Okay, this is actually genius because I think this

946
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: is also okay. This is also why gay people feel

947
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: more comfortable like projecting sort of like having an influencer

948
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: persona of sortes, whereas straight men, you know, for all

949
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: their flaws, are not trying to gain a following. Like

950
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: I understand that our counter examples, and there are like

951
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 2: you know, there's Jeff Bezos and and you know, people

952
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: are trying to go viral on LinkedIn or something. But like,

953
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: in general, the stereotype of like you meet your girl

954
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 2: friend's boyfriend, the stereotype is like he has a private

955
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: Instagram that he never posts on. He is not interested

956
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: in that. He thinks it's for chicks, you know. And

957
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: so there's less comfort with like sort of a public

958
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: projection of self. And maybe that arises from a deep

959
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: actually security in who he is, Like he doesn't feel

960
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: the need to project he's.

961
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: Not trying to get ahead of the story.

962
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: Where he's not trying to get ahead of the story

963
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: because it never even occurred to him that he would

964
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: look bad in the story when it's published.

965
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 4: That's true. I think getting ahead of the story is

966
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 4: the key there. I think like thinking of things in

967
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: terms of the story is a very truly what is

968
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 4: the narrative? Yeah, what is the narrative? How am I

969
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 4: being seen? How can I make this work? And I

970
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 4: think that it's.

971
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: I mean it's genius because it's like, Okay, who writes

972
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: the official historical narrative? You know, the hedge of you know,

973
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: the the people in charge, the people who win write history.

974
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: So it sort of goes to show if you are

975
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: in the privileged class, you're not worrying about what the

976
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: story will ultimately look like because you know you will

977
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: come out as a protagonist. It'll be flattering without you

978
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: having to do anything. Yes, Whereas if you are in

979
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 2: any sort of marginalized class, it's on you to be

980
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 2: self publishing a zine. Yes. Yes, otherwise you'll be lost

981
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: in history.

982
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you'll be lost.

983
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: You'll just be wiped or even worse, you'll be the villain.

984
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm okay. Yeah, there's also something to hear me out.

985
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 1: This is I'm trying this where it's like.

986
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: Like like this is hard gay people.

987
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: Gay people are like, okay, I've already like I've committed

988
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: the ultimate shame. I'm like, I'm i an I'm doing

989
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: anal I'm being shameful, I'm being embarrassing.

990
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 3: I like.

991
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: And so it's almost like, okay, well now I can pursue,

992
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: like I can sort of do whatever I want at

993
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: all times, Like we've talked about that element. And then

994
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: I feel like straight people still have a sense of like, well,

995
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: this will disrespect my family if I'm like trying to

996
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: be an influencer on the internet, like if I'm like

997
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: putting myself out, if I'm on stage wearing a silly costume,

998
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 1: like what will that say about my mother and father?

999
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: And I see it?

1000
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 4: That is perfect.

1001
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's literally the thesis of the concept of

1002
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: pride is like we have let go of shame and

1003
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: there's no going back.

1004
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 4: Yes, because maybe it just like there's an early there

1005
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 4: is an early experience. I do think that being in

1006
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: the closet you feel ashamed. I do think that they're

1007
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 4: as an early shame experience. There is this like releasing

1008
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 4: their sort of Oppenheimer's style explosion that and you you

1009
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 4: you say, I leave shame behind at least as far

1010
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 4: as this is consensed, like I will not be caught

1011
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 4: out being gay. I and if that, if if pride

1012
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 4: is the word for that, then that's the word to use.

1013
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, you can. The thing that I

1014
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 4: think that I think about is in cells and how

1015
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 4: I don't really think that there are gay in cells?

1016
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 4: Are there gay in cells? I'm not tracking the issue.

1017
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: I think there are because I think there are gay

1018
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 2: people who have the sensibility of an insell, but I

1019
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: don't think they find community with insect with others.

1020
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 3: Oh that's a great distinction.

1021
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: I think gay in cells are basically like sort of

1022
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: online trolls that are being like so cruel.

1023
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so they're they're like gay trope, do you they?

1024
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: But they could they have? That's a good that's a

1025
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: good point.

1026
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 4: They're not sell, that's true.

1027
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: And in fact, I think people that are in cells yeah,

1028
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: do not have the violent like. I think gay in

1029
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 2: cells are much more withdrawn and not motivated by revenge.

1030
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I do think that this is like, Okay,

1031
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 4: if I was if I was like, you know, like

1032
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 4: going out and try to be gay and like and

1033
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 4: like tried to make it work or go home with

1034
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 4: somebody and what didn't work out, I would be embarrassed.

1035
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 4: I think I would be embarrassed. And like, again, maybe

1036
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 4: I'm being too uh annoying about this distinction, but no,

1037
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 4: I think that in cells feel ashamed that they even

1038
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 4: have to court women. Yes, yeah, okay, Like it's not like,

1039
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 4: oh it's embarrassing to like try and flirt with a woman,

1040
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 4: Like I don't know what to say. It's like I

1041
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 4: think they feel a deep, deep shame that is like

1042
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 4: this is not supposed to happen, Whereas if you're gay

1043
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 4: and you have an embarrassing experience, like that is supposed

1044
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 4: to happen. You signed up for that, Like you know,

1045
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 4: when the minute you come out or whatever, you know

1046
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 4: that you're basically cursed through the life of objection and

1047
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 4: sort of cool with it. And that's why that's what

1048
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 4: that's gay fun. That's how gave you have fun by going, yeah,

1049
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: I'm cool with that, it's embarrassing, but what are you

1050
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 4: going to do?

1051
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: Well, there is a sort of I mean, not to

1052
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: be truly like Baby's first cultural critique, but like you

1053
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: could also connect that to like cam like like you

1054
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: literally like celebrating the embarrassing.

1055
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, like I think so wow, So I

1056
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: know you think Sam, I think it's genius. I think

1057
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, I think the fact that we were able

1058
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: to bring it to is uh, it's just a show

1059
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: that we are, in fact an LGBTQ plus podcast.

1060
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to fucking hear. Sorry, keep going please,

1061
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 4: I have never in my life. I mean, I've commented

1062
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 4: on this a little bit, like because the movie went

1063
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 4: to Sundance and we were doing a junket and somebody went,

1064
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 4: we really think you're It's like there said something about

1065
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 4: the movie being queer, and I was like, I did

1066
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 4: not think one time about it being a queer movie,

1067
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 4: because there's no straight people in the movie. There's no

1068
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 4: straight character, and it did not occur to me to

1069
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 4: put straight characters in the movie. And I didn't at

1070
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 4: all think that that would create a type of movie

1071
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 4: called a queer movie. But as the movie rolls out

1072
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 4: now and the marketing is coming out or whatever, and

1073
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 4: we're seeing like who their audience, the demographic is being targeted,

1074
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 4: you go, oh, it's a gay movie. I didn't know

1075
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 4: that I was making a gay movie or a queer

1076
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 4: lgbt F. I thought I was making a movie. But

1077
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 4: we actually are just in this very abject little bubble.

1078
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 4: It really is sitting above times where yeah, I mean

1079
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 4: the bubble that's my baby's first inclusion.

1080
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 2: No, it's true, though.

1081
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 4: I keep thinking about this in terms of like putting

1082
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 4: a queer movie out into the public and asking the

1083
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 4: public to I come to the movie, and like the

1084
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 4: in terms of knowing like the narrative, like trying to

1085
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 4: craft the narrative or get ahead of it.

1086
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: So that.

1087
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 4: The big example that I always think of as like

1088
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 4: drag Race, which like half of queer culture was allowed

1089
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 4: on stage, the main stage, even though it's still a

1090
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 4: niche stage of like moms and their daughters watching it

1091
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 4: after school, okay, but there is no drag queen on

1092
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 4: earth who would even bat an eye lid at like

1093
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 4: a what of their roommate getting.

1094
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 3: Fisted, Like.

1095
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 4: Like like actually, there's this whole half that hasn't been

1096
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 4: brought on stage. It hasn't been brought onto the main

1097
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 4: stage by Obama and RuPaul's track. Race is like the

1098
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 4: fact that like I wouldn't even blink, Like I wouldn't

1099
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 4: even blink at that. Yeah, and neither would anybody that

1100
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 4: I know.

1101
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 2: Moms have no idea that will never.

1102
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 4: Come on It will never come on stage. It will

1103
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 4: always be something over here.

1104
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: And like I think it's one of the most interesting

1105
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: thing is that like collectively as a gay community, we

1106
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 1: like don't publicize that side. Like it is like it's like, yeah,

1107
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: we're this, and then it's like but also, yeah, we're

1108
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: like fully having sex inside of bars.

1109
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 2: And this is the challenge with like with this kind

1110
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: of visibility is that you actually lose yourself in trying

1111
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: to untangle the logical inconsistencies. It's like when people it's

1112
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: like with something like drag queen story, oh yeah, every hour,

1113
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: it's so difficult to make the point both that drag

1114
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: queens are like this child friendly essentially like Disney cartoon

1115
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: character and so fun for kids to see bright colors

1116
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: and someone in a costume, and also that drag and

1117
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 2: then in the same breath be like, drag is a

1118
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: radical queer art form that is anti capitalists and like

1119
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: sex and kink positive. Like you just can't untangle those.

1120
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: And if you are sort of stupid and can hold

1121
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: two ideas in your head at the same time, I

1122
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: see how someone could then be like, oh, so they're grooming.

1123
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're gonna they're gonna be fisting at the library.

1124
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 4: They're not gonna be fisting at the library. It's like

1125
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 4: being bilingual. It's like, if somebody is bilingual, they speak

1126
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 4: one language when they're talking yes to those people, and

1127
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 4: another year, and that's just what he means to be bilingual.

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00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: I mean, so drag us are bilingual, and the bilingual

1129
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: is reading kids stories and fisting.

1130
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 4: It's not exactly that it's not totally different.

1131
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: I mean, dare I say. It goes back to our

1132
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 2: conversation about dignity and context. What angle are you filming

1133
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: the drag queen from? Because from one angle she's fisting.

1134
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1135
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: From the other angle she's reading Ameliabadelia.

1136
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, but that's a and.

1137
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: Actually that is It's like, how do they maintain dignity

1138
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: in those different contexts? Is one of the big challenges

1139
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: of being a high profile drag queen in the year

1140
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.

1141
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 4: It's crazy because yeah, because they're signing autographs for children, yes,

1142
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 4: and then and then God knows what they're getting up to.

1143
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 4: That's like God knows. I mean, it's not God knows.

1144
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, they're just doing gay guy stuffy gay

1145
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 4: guys stuff. But I actually think weirdly, like apart from

1146
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 4: the like right wing people who are who are outraged

1147
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 4: by it, I'm trying to create a fury that it's

1148
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 4: not even even if those drag queens like post on Twitter.

1149
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 4: There are drag queens who I have poor they've done

1150
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 4: porno's and they've started only fans and stuff, and like

1151
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 4: it just gets absorbed and the blob like the algorithm

1152
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 4: sorts it aside, and the drag keeps going and the

1153
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 4: fisting stuff or whatever. I know it's they turned. They

1154
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 4: just don't want to see.

1155
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: Wow. I mean, I could have never expected it is

1156
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 3: this funny toe.

1157
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: This was an absolute dream.

1158
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 3: I know, this was amazing.

1159
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: I I feel like I have so much more I

1160
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: want to say, but I feel like I've just been

1161
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: like going off.

1162
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 4: Well, No, I just want to I want to say

1163
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 4: that it's very nice actually to be doing this because

1164
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,959
Speaker 4: we when we recorded first time episode two, I think

1165
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 4: of that's information. Yes, yes, uh, that was we were

1166
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 4: about to start shooting the movie, and now the movie

1167
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 4: is all done. Wow, it's a nice little envelope around

1168
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 4: this period of my life. At that on your podcast,

1169
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 4: I ruined my reputation by saying I didn't Renaissance Volume one.

1170
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 4: Then I came around to Renaissance. I will repeat my

1171
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 4: earlier sin by saying I am no huge fan this

1172
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 4: latest of volume two, and I'm sure all the time

1173
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 4: we record again, I will have realized that it's actually genius,

1174
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 4: and that she's actually ahead of all of us, and

1175
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 4: that it's it's a really great. Yeah.

1176
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: I do remember that era. First of all, I just

1177
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: want to say we're very, very proud of you, and

1178
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: we're so excited.

1179
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait to see the movie.

1180
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: You are one of the great minds and it is

1181
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: an honor to be to have you on our podcast.

1182
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 3: Twice truly Club two Club.

1183
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: But it was funny that era we had. Truly we

1184
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 2: did not plan this, but somehow there were like three

1185
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: white people in a row that came on the podcast

1186
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: and said they didn't like Renaissance and there was just

1187
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: nothing we could do about it. And we were like, well,

1188
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: that's what we're putting out into the world is a

1189
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: series of three like three sort of like opinion white people.

1190
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 4: All disparaging it with John was also one of Johns.

1191
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: And by the way, I think we all had a

1192
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: very similar trajector because I also at first was sort

1193
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: of like to be inundated with all the commentary on it,

1194
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: you lose sight of the matter at hand. And now

1195
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: I've said this so many times. I love it. I

1196
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: like listen to it often. It brings me so much joy.

1197
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 2: I think it's maybe the best thing she's ever done.

1198
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 2: Like I really, I genuinely believe that. But it's wonderful

1199
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: that we have that on record forever, forever.

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01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 4: I direct at anytime, it won't matter, I'll turn in

1201
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 4: the same blind eye.

1202
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: I want the official record of this podcast to show

1203
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: that I actually am very much enjoying Cowboy Carter and

1204
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: I thought, and I'm not just trying to appease the

1205
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: rabid fans. I really went in skeptical and I listened once.

1206
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: I listened as hard as I could, and I said,

1207
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm liking this. And then I

1208
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: put it on sort of in the background, sort of

1209
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: listening a little bit less hard, and I was like, oh,

1210
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm actually really loving this. And now it's at a

1211
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: point where I put it on and I'm all.

1212
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 4: In, right, that's wonderful.

1213
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: I love that.

1214
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: It's nice to like not be like sometimes it's so

1215
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: comforting to be like, oh, I'm one of the masses,

1216
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: Like oh, I don't have to like make a stink

1217
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: every time this comes up.

1218
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 4: That's a very widely discussed phenomenon yielded to that feeling,

1219
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 4: but it is a sweet, sweet feeling. I will be

1220
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 4: an amazing tour mm hmm with a full bluegrass band,

1221
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 4: the Latchboard.

1222
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: A bunch of horses coming out, a lot of horses.

1223
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: I do want to say, George, really quickly. I want

1224
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: to apologize. You know, a lot of these LA recordings,

1225
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: it's been two people in LA and just one George.

1226
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: Getting a taste of your own medicine. This is our

1227
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: first time where I am with the guest in the

1228
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: room and you're away. Do you not see how it

1229
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: has been for me?

1230
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 3: It's George, this is so hurtful.

1231
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: I can't believe you lived through this and didn't complain

1232
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: every single time. It's there's something where everything I say

1233
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: there's like a slight delay where I'm like, oh, I'm bombing, Oh,

1234
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: and I'm bombing, and they actually are mad at me,

1235
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: they like hate me. I'm like playing like I have

1236
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: to say this out loud because I was like, theata's

1237
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 1: gonna leave this recording and be like, Wow, George is great.

1238
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: Sam is actually really quite stupid, really.

1239
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 4: Not absolutely not a light I know your position, it's

1240
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 4: a terrible position.

1241
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so George, you are braver than the Marina.

1242
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: No, No, I think we are both two of the

1243
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: great gay men.

1244
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 3: I do.

1245
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 2: I Yeah, Okay, We're gonna put a pin in some

1246
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 2: of these because I'm like, I need to go at

1247
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: some point later, you know, maybe when I see THETA

1248
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: later this week. I need to go back to small

1249
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: versus big. I need to go back to shame versus embarrassment.

1250
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 2: I need to go back to different personalities while having

1251
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: sex and how dignity And you know, I really think

1252
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 2: this is going to be an episode that gets lips

1253
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: a flappen.

1254
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 3: I just say the least.

1255
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 2: I am seeing emails coming our way, I am seeing dms,

1256
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: I am seeing tags on multiple social media platforms.

1257
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, wait, maybe I have one more thing to say.

1258
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: Okay, what I just think you can't.

1259
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: I think the issue is you can't escape shame no

1260
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: matter what. So like when we come out of the closet,

1261
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: we're like, Okay, we're escaping our shame, but we're just

1262
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: trading it for a million little embarrassments.

1263
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 4: Sure, that's actually very well said.

1264
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: And so it's like either way, it's just like how

1265
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: do you want to release? How do you want to suffer?

1266
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: Do you want it in small doses or in a deep,

1267
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: deep way?

1268
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 2: That's all that's actually really that's exactly it, because it

1269
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: really is like coming out, is this weight lifted off

1270
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: your shoulders, or you're like, I don't have to keep

1271
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: this huge secret anymore. Yeah, but here I go ordering

1272
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: at the coffee shop and someone's giving me a dirty look. Yep,

1273
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: yeah wow yeah, but I'll pick small.

1274
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1275
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: So coming out is you're you're using Klarna to deal

1276
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: with your shame. In in installments.

1277
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,919
Speaker 2: Is when you pay an installments. Oh sorry, coming out

1278
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 2: is signing up for Klarna. You're saying, I'm not I

1279
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 2: don't have the money to pay all this shame right now. Yeah,

1280
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't pay it monthly.

1281
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pay monthly.

1282
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: Monthly installments are four dollars until this uh fifty dollars

1283
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:36,439
Speaker 1: top is paid off.

1284
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and honey, there will be interest.

1285
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 4: It's really called sorry Klarna. That sounds like a fake

1286
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 4: fantasy fiction.

1287
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: I only heard about it this year actually because I

1288
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: I had I can't get into it, but I bought

1289
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 2: I bought something that is the most expensive thing I've

1290
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 2: ever bought, and I was like, I don't have the

1291
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: money in my account for this, and it was like,

1292
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: do you want to pay installments? I was like, yeah,

1293
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: oh of anything.

1294
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: I only know about Clarina because apparently teens were like

1295
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: getting in like to debt by just like because they'd

1296
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: be like, Oh, I can just pay an installment and

1297
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: just buy Buttega. Yeah. Wow, So shout out to Klarna And.

1298
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 2: Speaking of shout outs, well, okay, before we go into shoutouts,

1299
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: fato one more time. Stress Positions opens when.

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Speaker 4: Stress Physicians opens in New York April nineteenth at if C,

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01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 4: and then we'll open in l A and other markets

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Speaker 4: on April twenty sixth. From Neon, From Neon, from Neon,

1303
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 4: and go see put more money in the pot, go

1304
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 4: see immaculate. Just show up for Sydney because she has

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01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 4: a huge hit movie right now and she would really

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01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 4: appreciate it. Show up for her, show up for her.

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01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 4: And and while you're at the theater, why not go

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01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 4: see Stress Stress Position, Double Story. John Early, Amy zimmer Me,

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01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 4: The Wonderful, her Ha hash Uh, and many others. John Roberts, M.

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01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: Wow, do you think you know, in a sort of

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01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 2: if Neon were to do a multiverse, would you potentially

1312
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 2: what if your character and again have not seen the film,

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01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 2: maybe represented Sondra Huler for her next murder trial.

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Speaker 4: I think it'll be beautiful. They do have contractual or no, no, No,

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01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 4: they don't actually have sequel rights for this movie. That

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01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 4: will never be a sequel to this movie. Well, but

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01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 4: maybe you have sequel rights.

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Speaker 2: They may be immaculate. You know, Sidney Sweeney could move

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01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 2: into the house.

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01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 4: Sidney Sweeney could move into the house, Sandra Huler. Everybody

1321
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 4: should get together like that show Drawn Together.

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01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, yes, it's called Neon Properties.

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01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: So well, I'm smelling dollars already.

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01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 3: George, will you describe our final segment?

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01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,959
Speaker 2: I would be honored and delighted to final segment. Data

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01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 2: is called shout outs, and in this segment we pay

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01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 2: homage to the grand straight tradition of the radio shout out.

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01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: And what better place to do that than literally overlooking

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01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: Times Square. We are flanked by billboards, flashing billboards on

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01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 2: all sides. I can only imagine they're all advertising the

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01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 2: US military, And so, you know, you sort of you're

1332
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 2: shouting out to your friends back home. You're on Z

1333
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 2: one hundred year in tiar out. I think I can

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01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 2: go first.

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01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 3: I also actually came up with one when you were talking.

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01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 2: Oh do you want to go first?

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01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, that could be amazing. Go on, Okay, what

1339
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 3: is up? Free eks?

1340
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: Losers and needless to say, perverts around the globe. I

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01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: want to give a gigantic shout out to having a

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01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: lunch dessert.

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01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 3: I do not like sweets.

1344
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: I have never said I like sweets, and recently, you know,

1345
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: life is suffering and I eat lunch and I say,

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01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: if I have a little cookie after this, I will

1347
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: feel like I'm having a great day. So I have

1348
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 1: become one of these people that gets a little cookie

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01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: after lunch. And it makes me feel like a child.

1350
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm filled with childlike wonder. It makes me feel normal

1351
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: and sort of we're talking about joining the masses. Way,

1352
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm one of the masses. It makes

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01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: me feel like, you know what, why are you spending

1354
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: your whole life fighting? Maybe just relax for a bit

1355
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: and go with the damn flow. Not everything is a battle.

1356
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: Have a cookie after lunch and live your damn life.

1357
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm eating sweets now, whoa wow.

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01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 4: Shout out to sweets.

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01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: Shout out to sweets.

1360
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 4: I love it at lunch.

1361
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,759
Speaker 3: At lunch it changes everything.

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01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, what's up, adventurers. I want to give

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01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: a shout out to You'll never believe this. Doing a

1364
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 2: polar plunge in the ocean now currently in April, when

1365
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: it's still cold out. I am so not the type

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01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 2: of person who would ever do anything like this any

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01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 2: I am so to me an activity like that, I say,

1368
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: I look at people doing it, and I say, oh,

1369
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 2: you don't have a enough excitement in your own life.

1370
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 2: You're in a loveless marriage, You're having an affair with

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01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 2: your assistant and you don't even like her. You are

1372
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 2: absolutely you know you have nothing to live for, and

1373
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 2: so you're looking for places to feel alive. I was

1374
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 2: so wrong. This is one of the most amazing things

1375
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 2: I've ever done in my life. I did it for

1376
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 2: my friend Lindsay's birthday. In the rock ways, I have

1377
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 2: never felt more in community with people. We all ran

1378
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: into the cold water together. I was so in the

1379
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 2: moment that I swear to God, I lost my glasses

1380
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 2: in the ocean. I repeat, I lost my glasses.

1381
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 3: Well, that's where they are.

1382
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 2: That's why I have these backup ones now. And I

1383
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 2: have to say, when I look back on it, I

1384
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 2: don't feel a sense of loss. I feel a sense

1385
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 2: of liberation. I am aphrodite coming out of that shell.

1386
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 2: I am, you know, splash the mermaid from splash, coming

1387
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: out and gaining legs. I loved being in the cold water.

1388
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 2: I love feeling invigorated and alive with just a group

1389
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 2: of sort of gay men and women and New York

1390
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 2: based freelance creators, the people that make up my community. So, guys,

1391
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: you have like a matter of days left, honestly by

1392
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 2: the time this episode comes out, go to the beach,

1393
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: do a polar plunge, and maybe leave your glasses.

1394
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 3: On the show. Okay, you're bad.

1395
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 4: Shout out. I've been literally, we're in Times Square. It's

1396
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 4: not I'm not going to shout out an abstraction. I'm

1397
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 4: gonna literally shout out. Yesterday I was in Times Square

1398
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 4: in peak hours, having a full panic attack, like on

1399
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 4: the street, and I and there was nowhere to turn.

1400
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 4: I walked into a Reflexology fifty five dollars massage place,

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01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 4: and I got the most amazing massage from a wonderful

1402
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 4: night woman. No nothing unto war. Okay, and she's right

1403
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 4: around the corner here at Times Square. So I want

1404
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 4: to give a shout out not just to that woman,

1405
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 4: but also to the idea of treating herself to a massage.

1406
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 4: Walking massage. You can do it, especially and it's falling hard. Well,

1407
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 4: there was tip and stuff, and they tried to get

1408
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 4: you to do it at another thirty minutes, but whatever,

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01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 4: I mean, they know.

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01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 2: And I've only gotten massage once in my life and

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01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 2: it was more than fifty five dollars. I'll tell you that. Yeah, No,

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01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 2: that's how you'll get a cobble hill.

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01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 3: I've never I've never done it.

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01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 4: I walk in.

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01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: I also really appreciate you saying that nothing untoward happened,

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01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: because as soon as someone says they got a massage,

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01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but be honest, like.

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01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 4: I know exactly, no, nothing happened to face down the

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01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 4: whole time, just you know, the pressing and the rubbing

1420
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 4: and the hot stone or whatever, and then a big slack.

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01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 4: You know, they fow you you really got it all

1422
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 4: for fifty five, got it all for fifty five?

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01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 2: Wow?

1424
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 3: Wow, the variety pack you.

1425
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 2: At the Times Square reflexology that everything is all right

1426
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 2: with the establishment and that it's not a totally evil, dark,

1427
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: sinister place.

1428
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 4: They really saved my ask yesterday. Wow, that's a genuine chat.

1429
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 2: I love that.

1430
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,600
Speaker 1: Well, THEATA, thank you so much for doing the podcast.

1431
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: This has been a real treat.

1432
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 4: It's so nice of you to have me on. I

1433
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 4: really appreciate it.

1434
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 2: We love you and we can't wait to see the movie.

1435
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 2: And everyone goes to stress positions and I should say,

1436
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 2: we haven't even said the word Nympho Wars. Listen to

1437
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: Nympho Wars Theatos podcast with past also two timer Macy Rodman.

1438
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 4: It's a two we have two timers. Yeah, TI podcast

1439
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:21,520
Speaker 4: every Wednesday.

1440
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if I can for a second, I

1441
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 2: want to give a special shout out to the recent

1442
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 2: two part episode about the storytelling convention that really got me,

1443
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 2: really got me, and it heartened. Hearkened back to the

1444
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 2: two part drag Race.

1445
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 4: Oh, of course, so iconic. We'll never let it down.

1446
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 4: We'll never, We'll never, We'll never get oops.

1447
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, bye guys, okay, bye podcast.

1448
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:50,040
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1449
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,800
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01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 2: to patreon dot com. Slash Stradio lab.

1451
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,400
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01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,280
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