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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Durante and

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Speaker 1: my name is Jamie Lofton, and we're superheroes. Where when

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Speaker 1: it comes to analyzing media from a feminist lens, what

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Speaker 1: a boring superpower? Honestly, I'm asleep, but I'm asleep during

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Speaker 1: most Marveled movies, so it's fine, Sure, I like them,

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Speaker 1: but it's kind of our dynamic. That's kind of think

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Speaker 1: is defined wild. Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. This is

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Speaker 1: our feminist movie podcast, where we look at famous movies

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Speaker 1: or in this case, famous movie franchises from a feminist lens,

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Speaker 1: using the Bechtel Test as a jumping off point, that,

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Speaker 1: of course, being the media test devised by evil genius

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Speaker 1: Alison Bechtel. Uh said media test that states that there

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Speaker 1: must be two female identifying characters in any piece of

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Speaker 1: media that talk about something other than a man, and

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Speaker 1: they must have names. And for our purposes we just

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Speaker 1: require a two line exchange. Very low bar. And yet

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Speaker 1: a lot of these movies that we're talking about today

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, Mr male feminist? Excuse me? Josh wheed and

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Speaker 1: kicking down the door saying like, what what is that shirt?

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know the feminist shirt? Everyone has.

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Speaker 1: The future is female. Yes, feminism is the line the

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Speaker 1: same thing. Look out for that in our riches store. Yes.

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Speaker 1: So today we are talking about essentially the entire Avengers franchise. However,

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Speaker 1: the first Avengers movie. Yes, so recap wise, we're talking,

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Speaker 1: entire I've got well that's the thing. I'm doing the

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Speaker 1: recapital differently today. I've got short paragraphs for each movie,

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Speaker 1: so you'll you'll see the whole pieces. I know, I

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Speaker 1: know this is this is We're going off the rails here, baby,

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Speaker 1: I'm bad. Toms Hailston looks like a straight up bug Loki.

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Speaker 1: We are not talking about Avengers Endgame. We have not

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Speaker 1: seen that yet, but we for the sake of this episode,

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Speaker 1: are covering the Avengers from two thousand twelve. We're focusing

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Speaker 1: for those movies. This all sounds like another language to me.

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Speaker 1: I watched just just you wait. Um, let's introduce our

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Speaker 1: told you. It's Annie Reese. Hi, Hello, thanks for joining us. Oh,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. I kind of

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Speaker 1: when both of you were on my podcast. I'm very

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Speaker 1: happy this is happening. Yes you are. You're a big fan? Correct? Yes? Um?

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Speaker 1: ensemble our vision. Uh, Quicksilver, who does die? That's like

420
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: the Peter maximof character. And then we've got Falcon slash

421
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: Sam Wilson, and we've got war Machine slash Roadie. That's

422
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: Don Cheetles character. So uh, those are the men who

423
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: are added. The women who are added in Age of

424
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: Ultron are the Scarlet Witch ak Wanda maximof Um, that's

425
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Olsen. She is the only superhero that gets added

426
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: compared to these the four men who get added who

427
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: are superheroes. Um, we do we are into deduced to

428
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: a couple other female characters. There's Dr Helen Chow, but

429
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: she is not a superhero and she dies. She dies

430
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: in the movie. Um. And then we're introduced to Friday,

431
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: which is Iron Man's new female voiced operating system, saying

432
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: that's inside of his suit. Oh cool, So women as

433
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: a robot a service robot not familiar with the concept

434
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: because Vision got promoted to having a body, so he

435
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: has to he hired. He hired a female. We're out now, sick.

436
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: Bottom line there that four men get added to the

437
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: ensemble versus only one woman. And then in Captain America

438
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: Civil War, the men who are added are Black Panther,

439
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: Spider Man, Aunt Man, and the Winter Soldier versus I

440
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: guess how many superhero women are added in Captain America

441
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: Civil War? Is it none? It's none? Amazing. Yes, we

442
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: you meet a new character named Sharon Carter. She is

443
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 1: not a superhero and she's only I believe of the

444
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: Marvel Ensemble movies. She's only in that movie and uh

445
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: not others. Okay, so let's talk about Infinity War. The

446
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: men who were added to the ensemble, and that are

447
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: star Lord A K. Peter Quill, that's Chris Prett, Drags

448
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: Rocket Groot, those are the Guardians of the Galaxy, and

449
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: then Doctor Strange. We do get a bunch of women

450
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: added in an Infinity War. So we've got go Mora,

451
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: Mantis and Nebula from Guardians of the Galaxy, and then

452
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: sureI and a Koyer from Black panther, right, So the

453
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: balance is a little bit more equal in this one

454
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: and not like zero not zero. This is great, but

455
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: the fact remains that when you crunch the numbers, it's

456
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: still very largely a male cast. Of course, Yes, I

457
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: mean look at posters. I mean, yeah, tell me about it.

458
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: So that that's the inventory of all the characters we're

459
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: working with. Who are you know, the super people in

460
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: the franchise. So let's talk about Um, let's focus on

461
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: the Avengers from We've got pretty much the one main

462
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: female character in Black Wadow slash Natasha Romanov. There's I mean,

463
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: it's her introduction is she's wearing a sexualized outfit and

464
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: she's tied to a chair. Yes, I wonder how Scarlett

465
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: Johanson feels about how she's very often introduced in movies.

466
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: I feel like it is not an unusual thing to

467
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: see a Scarlett Johanson movie where she's introduced in this

468
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: very sexualized way. Um. I don't know why, I'm thinking

469
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: of that Coen Brothers movie, Um, Hail Caesar. But that's

470
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: like another example of a movie where she's introduced very sexually.

471
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: But it's weird. That scene feels peak corny or what

472
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: I of you to be like a really corny treatment

473
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: of a female character in uh, in a movie like

474
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: this that I was hoping that, like especially I was

475
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: hoping that the creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer could

476
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: do better than because the way that scene plays out

477
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: is like she's tied to a chair and you know,

478
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: then she gets a call from Colson saying, like, you

479
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: gotta come in. You need to be a superhero. And

480
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: then it turns out she wasn't a damsel in distress

481
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: after all, She could have saved herself the whole time.

482
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: She just didn't feel like it. I guess. Yeah, she

483
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: was waiting to get the information out of the interrogation

484
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: on them basically, which we see her do later on

485
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: Loki Loki right where she's like pretending to be emotional

486
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: and she's using like I'm a woman who cries as

487
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: a like tactic to get men to, like, I guess,

488
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: lower their guard and reveal the information she needs. And

489
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't really know how I feel. I feel like

490
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: that's very low hanging fruit to do, Like, oh, I'm

491
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: reacting like a woman would just kidding. I'm not like

492
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: to me, I'm like, that's I don't know that it

493
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: just demonizes emotions right away that I think. I mean,

494
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: like I think Captain Marvel tackles that situation of like

495
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: dealing with emotions and combat situations far better, right, And

496
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: it kind of just like feeds into the idea that

497
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: like women are devious and we're you know, like we're manipulative,

498
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: and we're doing emotions to trick you, to trickly. I'm

499
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: just like, she's crying, but she's actually planning to kill you,

500
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: which which we also see happen all the time, not

501
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: so much in this movie, but in many other movies

502
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: where women use their sexuality to get what they want,

503
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: which is it's all that also ends up demonizing women's sexuality,

504
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: where it's like I'm using this to get but like

505
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: on one hand, I'm like, well that's not good. On

506
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: the other hand, I'm like, well, if you know, if

507
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: idiot men fall for stuff like that, that's and that's

508
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: the tool that we can use to get what we want.

509
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, I constantly have conflicting feelings about this.

510
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: It's the only redeeming thing for it is at least

511
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: that is like one of the tactics in an arsenal

512
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: of tactics that she has because we get to see

513
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: Blackwoodow fight hand to hand with a number of men

514
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: in this movie, which I was like, so happy happened,

515
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: and I think is like okay, because I think that

516
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of male directors who would not have

517
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: let that happen in such a big movie. But it's

518
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: clear that she is like just as capable of fighting

519
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: as any of the other Avengers, which is super important

520
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: because she's the only woman who's allowed to be there

521
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 1: at that time. So I was psyched about that, Like,

522
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: she knows what she's doing, she's a good fighters, She's

523
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: making her own calls. There's like that one part where

524
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: Captain America a k. A. Chris like are you are

525
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: you sure you can do this? And then she's like,

526
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, fuck you and then she is it, which

527
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: is great. Should say more people name Chris, sorry to

528
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: all our chriss is out there. Another thing I want

529
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: to say about the scene where she's introduced is that

530
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: in order to get out of like the bondage she's

531
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: in and to escape these bad guys, she does the

532
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: classic wrap her legs around a guy's head and pussy

533
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: slam him into the ground. Move right, and that's like

534
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: a move that comes back right. That's like one of

535
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: her signature moves. We see her do it twice in

536
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: Age of Ultron. I don't know if we see it

537
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: in the other ones because maybe people were like, hey,

538
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: stop making her do that, right, But there's so many

539
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: layers moves like that where you're just like, like, it

540
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: feels like such a like creepy dude having their cake

541
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: and eating it too, or they're like, look, no, she's fighting.

542
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: She's like people's ass, but like with her pussy cross. Yeah,

543
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: that is a huge thing about this franchise is that

544
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: you you do see a fair amount of at first

545
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: a woman fighting, and then as the movies go on,

546
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: a few women fighting. But this very much feels like

547
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: that mc sweeney's piece um the As the token female

548
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: member of this action adventure team, my job is to

549
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: kick by Julianna Gray. If you haven't read it, Yeah,

550
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: to borrow a few quotes from the article that applied

551
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: to this movie. Quote, I wear black leather pants. I

552
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: wear spike heeled boots. When I kick, I pivot like

553
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: a goth both arena and drive a heel into a

554
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: villain's face. End quote. Um, there's another one that is

555
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: mostly I kick. I can throw a knife with pinpoint accuracy.

556
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: I am a wizard at zip lines. I probably know

557
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: how to drive a car, but my male team members

558
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: always take the wheel while I follow on a motorcycle,

559
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: leaning low over the bars, my eyes focused, my ass

560
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: taut and hovering just above the seat. I do not

561
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: wear a helmet, and my hair streams behind me. And God,

562
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: I love so much, but it's like describing this to

563
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: a t and then another one. The final quote I

564
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: want to read is I do not have a sense

565
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: of humor, except for an extensive repertoire of one liners

566
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: about penis size, which like kind of applies to black widows,

567
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: sort of in the sense that she doesn't really Here's

568
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: the thing, I feel like we have less of a

569
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: handle on her personality and characterization than any of the

570
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: other members of the Avengers. I think that partly has

571
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that she doesn't have her

572
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: own movie and we didn't really get to know her

573
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: kind of one on one right, and she just is

574
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: characterized as this like sexy spy who was trained as

575
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: a spy from birth, and like she has no she

576
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: had her personality trained out of her right. That was

577
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: the thing that bothered me, is like we first, you're

578
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: totally right, like we just don't know her as well

579
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: because Hollywood, right, But it's also that the one scene

580
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: where we sort of get some idea of who she is,

581
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: and that scene where she's talking to Loki, and Loki

582
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: is there and he's looking like a fucking tarantula like man,

583
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: and she is just like talking about you know, she's

584
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: talking about her relationship with Colson and how like, you know,

585
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: she explains that he came in was essentially her savior

586
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: and then she became she went from being a baddie

587
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: to a goodie because of his influence. He decided not

588
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: to kill her or whatever, and you know, sort of

589
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: took her in and retrained her to be an avenger.

590
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: So her, you know, the only information we really get

591
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: to know about her. We are learning about her, and

592
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: it sounds and it's like suggests an interesting background story

593
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: that's worth exploring, but we really only find out about

594
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: how a man saved her and how she you know,

595
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: she is internally indebted to him. Um, which comes back

596
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: towards the end of the movie and it's like that's

597
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, if that is how the story goes. It's

598
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: these movies are always tricky because they tie back to

599
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: like baseline stories went back when women truly didn't count

600
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: in any meaningful way. But it's like they're there's there's

601
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: more there, and we only really hear who she is

602
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: in relationship to Coulson or that's how I felt about it, right, Yeah.

603
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: And then if that is the storyline for one of

604
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: the female characters, fine, if we have several other female

605
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: characters who we learn what their origin story is, but

606
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: we don't, we just have Black Widow, and then that's

607
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: our like one way that she's characterized. Um, we gotta

608
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: take another quick break, but we're gonna come back for more.

609
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: Don't you worry. We are back. Um, Annie, I feel like,

610
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: what what? What are your thoughts on all this? It's

611
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: one of those things where kind of like you're saying,

612
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: I am very conflicted about a lot of it. Because

613
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: I was reading preparing for this, I was reading up

614
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: about people's thoughts on Black Widow, and a lot of

615
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: people said, um, she is this strong, badass female character.

616
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: There aren't enough female characters, but at least like she

617
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: is a strong one. We've talked I've definitely done an

618
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: episode on and we talked about this, I think when

619
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: you were on stuff when I never told you, but

620
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: like she's never included in any like t shirts with

621
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: the Avengers on them, She's not on their toys, she's

622
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: not included in that stuff. And it started like a

623
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: kind of a whole Twitter kerfuffle. Um. Yeah, And it

624
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: is strange because that suggests to me that then she's

625
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: only there to be the woman that is there, but

626
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: she's not like truly part of the team, or at

627
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: least she's so tokenized. And then yeah, which is frustrating

628
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: because it's like it's clear that there's a lot, there's

629
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: so much to the character that no one is willing

630
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: to or like the company has just not been willing

631
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: to explore. And and and now especially with Captain Marvel, it's

632
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: so like they Captain Marvel as of this recording just

633
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: crossed a billion dollars and like there is clear, like

634
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: demonstrable value in including women and black right, Well, that's

635
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: the thing. So of the kind of main characters in

636
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: these ensemble and see you movies here, the people who

637
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: don't get their own movies or haven't as of this,

638
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: you know recording Black Widow, Wanda, the Scarlet Witch, Falcon, Hawkeye, Rhods,

639
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: and Vision. Four of the six of these are either

640
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: women or people of color. The exceptions are Hawkeye, that's

641
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: Jeremy Runner. Uh he, I mean we get skip it

642
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: and then Vision also we get his origin story within

643
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: the like I feel like that's skippable too. But the

644
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: fact that the large majority of the characters who aren't

645
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: given their own franchises their own movies are either women

646
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: or people of color, So that is you know, very

647
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: telling and then pointed. And then we find out, you know,

648
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: through Black Panther and Captain Marvel movies that have both

649
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: made a billion or more dollars worldwide, that if you

650
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: do give movies to women and people of color, people

651
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: people want to go see those. They arguably want to

652
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: see it more than they've ever wanted to see. Any

653
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: of the Chris is literally any of the Chris is yes, yep.

654
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: And that's why these movies are worth talking about. Because

655
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: the m c U is the highest grossing franchise of

656
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: all time. It's earned eighteen billion dollars worldwide across is

657
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: it twenty eight films. It's something, it's one more in development. Okay, yeah,

658
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: jeez um, is there any sign of them stopping? Would

659
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: they be willing to consider it? I mean, with the

660
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: money they're breaking in, probably no stopping it cool cool, cool? Yeah.

661
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: And to be fair, these movies have evolved a bit

662
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: from say The Spider Man two Days, when you know,

663
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: the women in those movies are being captured, they're helpless,

664
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: they need to be saved all the time. But that

665
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: does not mean that this franchise is without its many flaws, right,

666
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like it's definitely evolving. I think

667
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: that there's a weird trope in superhero movies that I've like,

668
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: slowly the more I've been forced to watch, picked up

669
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: on where there is there is like this kind of

670
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: exciting number of like you've got a lot of women

671
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: in stem, You've got a lot of women in high positions.

672
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: Because I think that like these people making the movies

673
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: understand at least that just damseling a woman in a

674
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: movie now is no longer acceptable, Like we want to

675
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: know what she does, we want to know who she is.

676
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: But there's sort of this like double edged sort of

677
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of women I'm thinking of, like

678
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: Natalie Portman's character in Thor or something like that, where

679
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: I think she is a she's a woman in stem

680
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: she's very qualified, but she really still only serves the

681
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: purpose of a love interest. But they look, but she's

682
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: really smart though. Also in Avengers, they show a picture

683
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: of her and rather than like, rather than including her

684
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: character in the movie, we just see the picture. We

685
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: get an explanation that she was sent away to be

686
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: kept safe. Basically, sure, well, didn't she like not want

687
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: to be in the m c U anymore? Wasn't she

688
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: just like, I mean, maybe after that though, so I

689
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: don't know, Oh so maybe she wasn't quite over it yet.

690
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: Damn it. Give Portman her Portman books. When I was

691
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: doing the research for this and I was compiling, like

692
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: all the characters, I noticed of the women that are involved,

693
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 1: there is a lot of white women with red hair.

694
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: Because it's like when you brought up Spider Man too,

695
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, Mary Jane is one as well.

696
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, damn because black widow often her hair color

697
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: changes throughout the franchise, but she often has changing their hair. Yeah,

698
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: that's our main thing about us that's how I define myself.

699
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: I did find an article that said, um, I think

700
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: it's from Vulture that Black Widow got the third most

701
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: screen time in Avengers and she had the most uninterrupted

702
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: dialogue of any of the six Avengers. Interesting, that's great news.

703
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: I like there there are like, especially watching the first one,

704
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: there were certain things where you're like, Okay, jossmed I'm

705
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: glad you're here, because that is I mean, that does

706
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: sound like Unfortunately, that's like an accomplishment, like no one's

707
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: interrupting her, Like that's awesome. Yeah, that's something. Another thing

708
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: that's worth noting about her character is that in the

709
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: first movie, she goes to recruit Bruce Banner to bring

710
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: him into the Avengers team essentially, and this will mark

711
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: the start of a friendship that laid evolves into a

712
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: romance as the movie goes on, because you can't have

713
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: a lady felt making her be with a man, right.

714
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: Another another problem that they seem to be fixing with

715
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: Captain Marvel. Yes, yep, there's a lot of air like

716
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: things that I noticed with the Black Widowed character that

717
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, at least they're trying to course

718
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: correct that in future movies. Another thing I wanted to

719
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: talk briefly about is the men's powers versus the women's powers.

720
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: Especially early in the franchise. The male heroes usually have

721
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: some sort of super strength or high tech equipment or suit,

722
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: or they're literally a god like some they're shooting out

723
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: lass out of their penises, which I thought was a bit.

724
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: They've got these like awesome abilities, right, and then if

725
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: we're looking at Black Widow, she does not have any

726
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: out of this world aility or tech really because Iron

727
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: Man has his suit, Captain America has his shield, plus

728
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: he had this like serum that made him a super

729
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: person or has a hammer. He's a god. Bruce Banner

730
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: turns into the Hulk. And then Black Widow she she

731
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: fights really well, she's a good fighter. She sometimes has guns,

732
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: and if like that's a canonical issue with that character

733
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: within the comic books, okay, but then we need more

734
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: than one woman there, because you know, like that's you know,

735
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: like what you described as crazy disproportionate where it's like, Okay,

736
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: if there is a character who's a great fighter, who's

737
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: a woman amazing, but we need more than that, and

738
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: there's so many like like was drowning in listicles of Marvel,

739
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: like female Marvel characters who could have been introduced into

740
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: these movies that never were um for you know, I

741
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: mean as much as I feel like people fall on

742
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: the like, well, the characters were written in a different time,

743
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: so it's kind of hard, and it's like, well, there

744
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: are still people making decisions of which characters are brought

745
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: into the universe and which aren't. And it's mostly men.

746
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: And some of the men they're bringing in our fucking

747
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: bores and they're not like Captain America, just a lot

748
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: of a lot of like they're like, we're gonna hire

749
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: every actor named Chris and women can't vote like that. Yeah,

750
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: this changes whenever Wanda is introduced in Age of Ultron,

751
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: because she does have these awesome that's great telekinesis mind

752
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: controlling powers and she she does damage like super powerful.

753
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: But in this first movie especially is like Wolf, all

754
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: the men get to be awesome. The woman kicks in

755
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: her leather suit, I mean, and at least she is good, Like,

756
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: you know, she does damage. I was glad that we

757
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: got to see her fighting, we got to see her

758
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: do damage and we get to see her get result.

759
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 1: But that's kind of the bare minimum you can ask

760
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: of a superhero in a supermo hero movie. She is

761
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: the one who figures out to how to close the portal. Yes,

762
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: and I do want to forgun out that you both

763
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: kind of did this. There's a running joke that everyone

764
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: forgets Hawkeye. Yeah, you didn't mention him then, and earlier

765
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: you were saying Colson, it was actually hawk Eye that

766
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: she was like trying to he was the good guy

767
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: that turned right. Oh damn, really, you're just cracking me up.

768
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: Jeremy Renner is first of all misogynists who sucks, and

769
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: he's also failed stand up comedian, and he's also a

770
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: really terrible actor. I can't think of one thing he's

771
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: good at. Um, So that's that's maybe that's why everyone

772
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: forgets him because he sucks you. Yeah. Um, we have

773
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: to wrap up pretty shortly. There were a couple other

774
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: just like quick things I wanted to mention that we

775
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: see in the later movies. So I'll just kind of

776
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: go through like a list of problematic ship that happens

777
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: where there's some like fridging that happens in Age of

778
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: Ultron where Dr Helen Show one of the only women

779
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: of Color in the movie gets killed to advance the story,

780
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: Black Widow gets captured by Ultron and Bruce Banner kind

781
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: of has to come and rescue her, and then they

782
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: briefly consider let's run away together because we're so we love,

783
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: and then they're like, wait a minute, no, we should

784
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: stay in fight, and then oh god. Iron Man has

785
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: a horrible line where he's like, hey, you two, you

786
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: better not be playing hide the zucchini yause There's also

787
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: that line at the end of The Avengers where like

788
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: Tony Stark just comes up with these this like homophobic

789
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: light zinger where he's anyone kiss me, Like no, gross.

790
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: There's a couple no homo moments at the end of

791
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 1: every movie and really yeah, at the end of Age

792
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: of Ultron, don Cheetle saying to I iron Man is like, hey,

793
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: you think I can't hold my own? And iron Man's like,

794
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: if you get this all, hold your own, which I

795
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: guess is like I'll hold your day, and then uh,

796
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: don'cho is like yeah to make it weird, and then later, um,

797
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,479
Speaker 1: I mean that's weird. That's a weird thing to say

798
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: to your to someone, and the later Black Widow is

799
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: like to Captain America and Iron Man something like oh

800
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 1: you guys done gazing into each other's eyes or something

801
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: like that. It's all just like, so there's there's a

802
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: lot of that. Um yeah, we don't really have time

803
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: to cover a lot of the other stuff that happens

804
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: um in the in the later movies of the franchise,

805
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: but kind of the last thing I want to say

806
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: is great that Captain Marvel is now going to be

807
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: introduced in to the ensemble. However, to me, it feels

808
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: like it's too little, too late, Like they had so

809
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 1: many movies, so many opportunities to introduce more dynamic, well

810
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: developed female characters who are doing things to contribute to

811
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: the narratives, and they just missed a lot of those opportunities.

812
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: And it's great that Captain Marvel has made a billion dollars,

813
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: it's great that we have this new character who's going

814
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: to be introduced into Avengers Endgame. But again it's just like, Okay,

815
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: well what about the other It took like seventeen movies

816
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: to like include women and people of color in a

817
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: meaningful way or something crazy like that, So it's just like, well,

818
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: taking that long to course correct, and it you know,

819
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: it does sort of track with what movie going audiences

820
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: were demanding based on like the beginning of the m

821
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: c U going up to now. But it's yeah, I

822
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: totally agree, which unfortunately I don't know really what the

823
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: resolution of that is because it no one's going to

824
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: be like, well, scrap it will start over from this time,

825
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: we'll treat We'll treat everyone fairly and make it more

826
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: like that's just not going to happen. Uh So I

827
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: am glad that the course correction that is happening is happening.

828
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: I hope it will continue to happen. I hope that

829
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: uh we can get a non franchise movie into a

830
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: movie theater. Ever, again wishful thinking. Does this movie pass

831
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: the Bechtel test? I know, no, women don't even interact

832
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: or meet. It does not get much better than that.

833
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: In the other movies of the franchise. We do have

834
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: a little bit more female interaction, But Scarlett Johnson ever

835
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: even heard of Kobe Smolder's I don't. I don't know.

836
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: I feel like if she was asking in here to

837
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: be she'd be like whom. But yeah, the Avengers does

838
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: not pass. So let's let's rate the movie on our nipples.

839
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: The first Avengers. Yeah, let's gok with the first one.

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Speaker 1: I'll give it a one and a half. The fact

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Speaker 1: that we do see a woman who kicks ass. You know,

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Speaker 1: she is making important moves in the story. She uh any,

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00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: like you said, she's the one who figures out how

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Speaker 1: how to stop the or how to close the portal.

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Speaker 1: But the way that she is characterized or not, because again,

846
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: what's her personality. I barely know. The way that she

847
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 1: is just very clearly you know, the token female character.

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Speaker 1: The way that she is pretty hyper sexualized, especially with

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Speaker 1: the you know, pussy slam wrapped my legs around the

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00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: bad guy's face, and the skin tight outfits and the

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00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, like quippy that I mean, everyone's got some

852
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: pretty horrendous quips and all shores canonical to the genre,

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00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: but like hers are always you know, feminine quips, right

854
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: like wait you know. Yeah. So it's a step in

855
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: the right direction from where we were with earlier superhero movies,

856
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: but we had a long way to go, and we

857
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: are slowly course correcting. But you know, it's it's not

858
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Speaker 1: great what we're seeing, at least in this in this

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Speaker 1: first Avengers movie. So yeah, one and a half. I

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Speaker 1: guess one to Scarlett Johansson and my half nipple will

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Speaker 1: go to Goop Young Group, the website, Goop dot com,

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Speaker 1: the business. Everyone check it out. I'm kidding, I would

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Speaker 1: never do not check it out. Um okay, I will

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00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: also go with one and a half. I feel like

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00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: we're given some We're really thrown some scraps in this

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Speaker 1: movie in terms of like female characters who are interesting

867
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: and it seems like there is a lot to them,

868
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: and then we proceed to find out nothing about them

869
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Speaker 1: that isn't directly in correlation to a man who gets

870
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: far more context or already has existing movies in this universe. Um,

871
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad they're there her uh, and I'm glad that

872
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: future movies have begun to course correct, not really for

873
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Speaker 1: any of the characters we see in Avengers in the

874
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 1: first Avengers unfortunately, um, but in a more general way.

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00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: Um that did? I mean? You know, John Josh Sweden

876
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: is now a polarizing figure that I honestly have not

877
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: interacted with his work or the coverage around that enough

878
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: to have a strong opinion on. But you know, he

879
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: has been known in the past an advocate for women

880
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: within his work at very least, So I sort of

881
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: was hoping for for a little bit more uh in

882
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: this movie, because you know, he really tooths his own

883
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: horn about it, and it's like, well, he didn't interrupt

884
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: the one female character, so that's something, and you could

885
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: have delivered on that way more. And we know that

886
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: he's capable of more based on his other work. And

887
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: of course there's like a million producers in Marvel and

888
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: the patriarch, like than patriarchy in general, to push back against.

889
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: It's not like he got the call of everything, but

890
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's it. It sucks to see like even

891
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: one of the biggest advocates allegedly for for women in

892
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: in narratives like this still was not able to get

893
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: that much in uh. So I'll go, I'll go a

894
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: nipple and a half and I'm giving both to Alfred

895
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: Molina because he should be in the m cun't talk

896
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:30,479
Speaker 1: the main villain. That's bullshit. Legal reasons, legal reasons, get

897
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: the man his check. He shouldn't have time to do

898
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: the Bechtel cast. He should he should be content on

899
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Speaker 1: every single and all of them. Anyway, do you say

900
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: for a rating, I guess I'll agree I UM. I

901
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: actually recently did watch the old Sam Ramy Spider Man's

902
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: for this like really ridiculous project I'm working on, UM

903
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: and I was shocked at how like I hadn't seen

904
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: it in a while, but it was the portrayal of

905
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: Mary Jane was so um bad yea yeah, And so

906
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: watching that recently and then seeing the Avengers, I do

907
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: think it was a step in the right direction. I

908
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: do think like she's smart. She's actually the first Avenger

909
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: to like sign on, and she kind of helps bring

910
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: the group together. She's an important figure to it, figures

911
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: out how to close the portal. But yeah, she doesn't

912
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: have the outside movie, she doesn't have the same story.

913
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: And also yeah, I was watching it and some of

914
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: the camera angles, I'm like, this is this is more

915
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: sexualized than it really needs to be. Ok. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

916
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: which which I'm sure has something to do with the

917
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: behind the scenes makeup of the crew, which is most

918
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: of the major players in this movie. The cinematographer is

919
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: a man, written and directed by a man. Uh. There

920
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: is a shout out to Lisa E. Lassic. Uh, there's one.

921
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: There's one of the two editors on this movie is

922
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: a woman. So shout out to Lisa Hell yeah, yeah,

923
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: so I give I'll give Black Widow, I'll give my

924
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: Nickel two. At the end, Um, there's this I don't

925
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: know her name, but she's an actor that plays that.

926
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: She does the voice acting for one of my favorite

927
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: video games ever, Ellie from the Last of Us. So

928
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Speaker 1: shout out to you. I don't know your name, but

929
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Speaker 1: I love you. Well, Annie, thank you so much for

930
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: joining us. Sorry we didn't have more time to go

931
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: into a deeper dive, but we're so happy to How

932
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Speaker 1: do you Where can people follow you online? What would

933
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Speaker 1: you like to plug? People can follow me. You can

934
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Speaker 1: find me on saver podcast. So that's s a v

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Speaker 1: O R for international listeners. Um, you can find us

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Speaker 1: you can listen to the podcast. Please do stuff I've

938
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939
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945
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Speaker 1: having me. Any time you want to talk about this,

946
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Speaker 1: if you missed Natalie Portman's character in the Avengers movies,

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Speaker 1: you can. You can hear us talk about her in

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Speaker 1: guard in State and Annihilation to identical movies. Thanks for listening, everybody,

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Speaker 1: I guess go and see Avengers Infinity, war Man's Dame

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Speaker 1: and game Endgame. Just kidding. We're very invested in this

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Speaker 1: um and to everyone considering jumping into our munchtions, do

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Speaker 1: not talk to you later, Okay. Bye,