1
00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:10,200
Speaker 1: This is Let's be clear with Shannon Dorney. Hi, everybody, welcome, Welcome,

2
00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,680
Speaker 1: What an honor to be here. I am Kat Sadler

3
00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,759
Speaker 1: and I'll be hosting Let's be Clear this week. And

4
00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,800
Speaker 1: as so many of you know, this platform, this space

5
00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,240
Speaker 1: is so sacred, was so important to Shannon, so just

6
00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,600
Speaker 1: to be invited here, I have to say, I just

7
00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm so so touched. I have to believe that knowing Shannon,

8
00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,720
Speaker 1: even from the other side, she's probably moving things around.

9
00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,480
Speaker 1: She's still such a force, and so in a weird way,

10
00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,519
Speaker 1: I feel like she even chose me to be here today.

11
00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,680
Speaker 1: So for that, Thank you, Shannon, thank you for her

12
00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,559
Speaker 1: whole team. I'm so so grateful to be here. For

13
00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,080
Speaker 1: those of you who may not know me and know

14
00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,880
Speaker 1: my career as an entertainment host and a TV host,

15
00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,720
Speaker 1: a journalist, I like so many of you, was very

16
00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,680
Speaker 1: invested in Shannon's life and her career, and I knew

17
00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,640
Speaker 1: her from AFAR and admired her for countless reasons, countless

18
00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,520
Speaker 1: reasons for her bravery, for just how honest she was,

19
00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,920
Speaker 1: how she fought for what she believed in, and that

20
00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,680
Speaker 1: is not easy to do. People like Shannon make it

21
00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,480
Speaker 1: look easy, but it's it's not. I had to learn

22
00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,119
Speaker 1: that the hard way. Has taken me many, many years

23
00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,360
Speaker 1: to figure that out as I've gotten older. But again,

24
00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,880
Speaker 1: because this space, this podcast was Shannon's way of sharing

25
00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,720
Speaker 1: her truth in her own words, I'm honored to help

26
00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,919
Speaker 1: continue with that mission and talk a little bit about

27
00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,800
Speaker 1: truth today. That's kind of I think going to be

28
00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,000
Speaker 1: my theme. In fact, a little fun fact. I even

29
00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,800
Speaker 1: have the word truth tattooed right here on my forearm.

30
00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,320
Speaker 1: I was after a real nasty breakup, which I'm happy

31
00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,160
Speaker 1: to tell you about because Shannon would, she'd tell it

32
00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,559
Speaker 1: like it is, She'd tell you everything. But I thought

33
00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,520
Speaker 1: first it might be fun to kind of tell you

34
00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,920
Speaker 1: how Shannon and my worlds collided or intersected over the

35
00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,200
Speaker 1: years before I get into that, because to frame this

36
00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,200
Speaker 1: a little for you guys, I long before I was

37
00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,880
Speaker 1: a TV host on E and spent decades, you know,

38
00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,120
Speaker 1: reporting from all over the world for the Entertainment Network.

39
00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,640
Speaker 1: I always dreamt of being a journalist, but I was

40
00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,680
Speaker 1: from a very very small town in Indiana, and I,

41
00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,880
Speaker 1: like so many other teenagers in the nineties, was obsessed

42
00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,880
Speaker 1: with Beverly Hills nine o two and zero and would

43
00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:33,680
Speaker 1: watch religiously. It was appointment television and Shannon was an

44
00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,200
Speaker 1: icon then, I mean to me, I mean that cast

45
00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,800
Speaker 1: was obviously, you know, so impactful to so many and

46
00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,160
Speaker 1: shaped pop culture in so many ways at the time.

47
00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,560
Speaker 1: But Shannon was just she had this strength, she had

48
00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:53,000
Speaker 1: this aura, she had this just super such a magnetic

49
00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,480
Speaker 1: energy around her you could tell, even as an actress

50
00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,000
Speaker 1: on that show. So I grew up just kind of

51
00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,560
Speaker 1: idolizing her like so many people did. And Hollywood for me,

52
00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean forgetting I know two and oh, I mean

53
00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,480
Speaker 1: Hollywood as a whole was a pipe dream for a

54
00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,600
Speaker 1: kid like me. I didn't know anyone in the business.

55
00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,840
Speaker 1: I didn't have family in the business, but I would

56
00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,640
Speaker 1: watch shows like Hers or movies on the screen and

57
00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,680
Speaker 1: did dream about one day coming to Hollywood. And you

58
00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,680
Speaker 1: got to remember that, y'all, this is a long time ago.

59
00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,320
Speaker 1: This was before people had phones, before we all felt

60
00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,040
Speaker 1: far more connected, before the world felt smaller. I mean,

61
00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,680
Speaker 1: it was huge. It would have been like going to

62
00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,760
Speaker 1: Mars to go to Hollywood. But I ended up studying

63
00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,080
Speaker 1: journalism in college in Indiana also, but would eventually land

64
00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,720
Speaker 1: my first ever TV reporting entertainment job in San Francisco.

65
00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,360
Speaker 1: So if you are old enough, and I know you

66
00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,560
Speaker 1: Charmed bands will know this. But Charmed was on the

67
00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,360
Speaker 1: WB network. I was hired. My first TV job was

68
00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,120
Speaker 1: the WB twenty, which was the affiliate of the WB

69
00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,680
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. So here I was twenty one years old.

70
00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,320
Speaker 1: Also another pinch me dream job that the fact I

71
00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,800
Speaker 1: landed was just crazy looking back, but I was hired

72
00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,839
Speaker 1: to be on this ten PM newscast in San Francisco

73
00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,840
Speaker 1: as a twenty one year old as the entertainment reporter.

74
00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,320
Speaker 1: And I even brought you a little keepsake because I

75
00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,760
Speaker 1: thought you WB fans, Charmed fans would appreciate this. I

76
00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,000
Speaker 1: still have my WB twenty mug from my very first

77
00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,919
Speaker 1: TV job back in nineteen ninety seven, the WB twenty

78
00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,360
Speaker 1: News of ten. Yep, that was me. So what that

79
00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,520
Speaker 1: meant was here I was this young reporter trying to

80
00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,320
Speaker 1: exude confidence, trying to be brave, trying to you know,

81
00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,320
Speaker 1: emit this strength, often faking it till we make it

82
00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,400
Speaker 1: when we're young. Right, But I landed this job, and

83
00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:54,520
Speaker 1: I remember it wasn't long after that they were like, Kat,

84
00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,000
Speaker 1: we're going to send you to Los Angeles on assignment.

85
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,560
Speaker 1: Did you not to the set of Charmed? Yes? True story,

86
00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,599
Speaker 1: And what I'll continue to do here is like wow,

87
00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,839
Speaker 1: looking back, connecting all the dots and then just sitting

88
00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,520
Speaker 1: here in front of you guys today. It's just wild.

89
00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,640
Speaker 1: But I was so nervous, I was so green, I

90
00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,479
Speaker 1: was so inexperienced, and I just I remember that trip

91
00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,479
Speaker 1: like it was yesterday because it was the first time

92
00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,040
Speaker 1: I'd ever come to Hollywood been on the set of

93
00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,159
Speaker 1: a massive production of that scale. I remember it was

94
00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,239
Speaker 1: a night shoot. It wasn't on a stage or anything.

95
00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,440
Speaker 1: Was actually somewhere set. I think it was in the

96
00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,159
Speaker 1: home that Charmed was filmed in, and it was in

97
00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,839
Speaker 1: the mountains somewhere in this beautiful, like California picturesque setting.

98
00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,960
Speaker 1: I remember it was dusk, it was getting dark, and

99
00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,880
Speaker 1: I was so nervous because I knew I was going

100
00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,560
Speaker 1: to come face to face with Shannon Freakin Doherty. I mean,

101
00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,200
Speaker 1: I remember this like it was yesterday. And the exciting

102
00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,039
Speaker 1: part about that is I was able to have that

103
00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,480
Speaker 1: front row seat to watch them do their scenes. And

104
00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,720
Speaker 1: it was Shannon, it was Alissa, it was Holly, it

105
00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,480
Speaker 1: was the director, it was. You know, it was this

106
00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,880
Speaker 1: massive production, and I remember just being in awe of

107
00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,480
Speaker 1: the immense amount of work they were doing and thinking,

108
00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, she's not that much older than me, and

109
00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,880
Speaker 1: thinking like, look at how incredibly dedicated to her craft

110
00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,039
Speaker 1: she is. She's such a star, she is such a legend,

111
00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,279
Speaker 1: and you could feel her aura just by being in

112
00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,479
Speaker 1: the same room with her. Now, the bummer to this

113
00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:37,520
Speaker 1: story is that I must have waited hours to get

114
00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,960
Speaker 1: the interview with the girls that night, and I never

115
00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,240
Speaker 1: got this dinking interview. I never got the interview, and

116
00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,359
Speaker 1: it was because I think they were running late and

117
00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,200
Speaker 1: they were behind on their scenes, and you know, these

118
00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,520
Speaker 1: these productions have to you know, it's all about you know,

119
00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,320
Speaker 1: money and schedules and the union and all this stuff.

120
00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,120
Speaker 1: So for whatever reason, they could not take a break

121
00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,599
Speaker 1: and they never did do the interviews, which was totally

122
00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,839
Speaker 1: heartbreak for me. But on the other hand, it was

123
00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,960
Speaker 1: still so fulfilling because I was just there. I just

124
00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,680
Speaker 1: felt like a giddy little guest, not really a twenty

125
00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,880
Speaker 1: two year old journalist trying to get the interview. So

126
00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,960
Speaker 1: I was a little bummed. But of course, fast forwarding

127
00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,000
Speaker 1: to my time then on E and crossing Paso Shannon

128
00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,000
Speaker 1: and being able to cover her over the years and

129
00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:26,000
Speaker 1: always admiring her and respecting the stance she would take

130
00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:32,120
Speaker 1: no matter what until the very end, which is so admirable,

131
00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:37,880
Speaker 1: her vulnerability through her painstaking illness. I just sat over

132
00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,840
Speaker 1: here like so many of you and just you know,

133
00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,760
Speaker 1: my heart, my heart was just so touched by her

134
00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,480
Speaker 1: sharing of her journey and her illness and still until

135
00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,880
Speaker 1: the very end showing us her courage and the way

136
00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,840
Speaker 1: that she would stare down everything that she was going

137
00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,000
Speaker 1: through and be so honest with all of us about

138
00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,800
Speaker 1: every step of the way. And then one other just again,

139
00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,760
Speaker 1: interesting connection is you all know Chris Cortazo, who is

140
00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,240
Speaker 1: one of her very very best friends and dear friends.

141
00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,560
Speaker 1: As fate would have it, I have become friends with

142
00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,320
Speaker 1: Chris in the last couple of years because he actually

143
00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,560
Speaker 1: sold our home out here in Malibu to my partner

144
00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,840
Speaker 1: Gregan and me, So he sold our house for us

145
00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,680
Speaker 1: so that we could move to where we are now.

146
00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,280
Speaker 1: So anyway, just so many little interesting, interconnected beats to

147
00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,400
Speaker 1: our lives and the fact that I'm going to say

148
00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,079
Speaker 1: it again, she and her team asked me to take

149
00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,600
Speaker 1: up a little space here today is really really cool

150
00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,319
Speaker 1: and very special to me. And to bring it back

151
00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,600
Speaker 1: to truth a little bit, I mean, I suppose the

152
00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:48,120
Speaker 1: way that my career evolved, and having been in this

153
00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:53,560
Speaker 1: industry and being on a massive television network for more

154
00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,760
Speaker 1: than a decade or twelve years up until that point,

155
00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,600
Speaker 1: I had really operated like so many, so many women

156
00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,760
Speaker 1: unlike Shannon do, so many women who don't feel like

157
00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,200
Speaker 1: they have the permission, like Shannon do, so many of

158
00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,120
Speaker 1: us who have been taught to stay in a straight line,

159
00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,880
Speaker 1: to keep things tidy, to not complain, to seek the

160
00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,959
Speaker 1: approval of others, to be liked by everybody. In many ways,

161
00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,040
Speaker 1: I was that girl. I was that girl from a

162
00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,840
Speaker 1: small town in the Midwest who just wanted to be

163
00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,360
Speaker 1: liked and didn't want to rock the boat. And that

164
00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:36,520
Speaker 1: is a very limiting self belief, and it is It

165
00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,920
Speaker 1: is not the way I would recommend any of you

166
00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,520
Speaker 1: live your lives. I mean, I had to learn, and

167
00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:48,160
Speaker 1: I've had my own journey. But I was that employee

168
00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,559
Speaker 1: in my company that you know, I guess I'd say

169
00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,480
Speaker 1: I was a yes girl. You know, yeah, sure, all

170
00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,920
Speaker 1: work extra hours, all work a longer weekend. I'm a

171
00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:01,319
Speaker 1: team player. I never I never really challenged the powers

172
00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,679
Speaker 1: or the authority, and in many ways, on me, I

173
00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:11,080
Speaker 1: muszled my own creativity and muzzled my own needs, often

174
00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,360
Speaker 1: as a working mother. On top of that, to just

175
00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:21,680
Speaker 1: be liked, to stay in my sweet little spot that

176
00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,360
Speaker 1: probably somewhere in my subconscious I was always afraid of losing.

177
00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,000
Speaker 1: Because we are also taught as women that were just

178
00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,840
Speaker 1: lucky to be there, right Like I was a lucky

179
00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,320
Speaker 1: to have a dream job. On me, I was lucky

180
00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,760
Speaker 1: to do the work and be in the position to

181
00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:43,640
Speaker 1: interview celebrities, aless celebrities and these iconic figures that I

182
00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,679
Speaker 1: should just keep quiet and shut up and keep it

183
00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,480
Speaker 1: moving and never really a voice and a grievances about

184
00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,560
Speaker 1: anything to do with that. Right, And by the way,

185
00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,160
Speaker 1: take the pay we give you, because there's a lot

186
00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,920
Speaker 1: of people that would do this job for free, you

187
00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So if some of you know

188
00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,960
Speaker 1: my name, maybe it's because you didn't watch E, but

189
00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,400
Speaker 1: maybe you know of my story that eventually the kind

190
00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:12,880
Speaker 1: of quiet, more submissive, go with the flow girl cat

191
00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,439
Speaker 1: that I once was. It took learning of a massive

192
00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,120
Speaker 1: pay disparity at my job for me to finally use

193
00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,640
Speaker 1: my voice and understand my power and understand what I

194
00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,120
Speaker 1: could do, what I needed to do, what I had

195
00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,360
Speaker 1: to do to be truthful to my own soul and

196
00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,440
Speaker 1: my own spirit and to stand up for what was right.

197
00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,760
Speaker 1: And so it's people like Shannon who had been in

198
00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,600
Speaker 1: the news, or people like Rose McGowan who had been

199
00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,360
Speaker 1: in the news who I had been covering, these other

200
00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,920
Speaker 1: remarkable women like Jennifer Lawrence speaking out and talking about

201
00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,920
Speaker 1: pay disperity or injustices in the workplace. It took me

202
00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,160
Speaker 1: reporting on them to see them as these old characters,

203
00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:06,040
Speaker 1: these bold people, these bold voices that did it anyway

204
00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:21,800
Speaker 1: because it was the right thing to do. Then my

205
00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:28,240
Speaker 1: own story became, you know, right paralleled alongside many of

206
00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,480
Speaker 1: those stories. I found out about pay disparity with my

207
00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,559
Speaker 1: co host, and I went through a myriad of emotions

208
00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,880
Speaker 1: because of that. It was about a year long process.

209
00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,560
Speaker 1: You know, I get asked about this a lot. It

210
00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,600
Speaker 1: wasn't like I learned the news and then I quit

211
00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,360
Speaker 1: my job and it was over. I mean, it was

212
00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,280
Speaker 1: a really quite a season, have a lot of soul

213
00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,040
Speaker 1: searching and figuring out what to do about it, you know,

214
00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,320
Speaker 1: I first learned that I was underpaid, severely, severely underpaid,

215
00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,080
Speaker 1: and I was embarrassed, and I was angry, and I

216
00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,280
Speaker 1: was frustrated. And how Hollywood works, you know, I had

217
00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,240
Speaker 1: an old team of agents, and so then of course

218
00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,120
Speaker 1: I bring this information to them. Whether they knew or not,

219
00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,320
Speaker 1: of course they had to have some idea of what

220
00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,680
Speaker 1: the disparity is. That's another whole part of the network

221
00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,920
Speaker 1: here in Hollywood. But I had a decision to make.

222
00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,760
Speaker 1: It's like, let's ask for what I believe that I

223
00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,880
Speaker 1: am worth, and then if I don't get that, what

224
00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,280
Speaker 1: am I going to do about it? And so my

225
00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,040
Speaker 1: story is such that we did. You know, I asked

226
00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,040
Speaker 1: for what I believed was reasonable pay what I thought

227
00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,720
Speaker 1: was fair ballpark pay to what my counterpart had been making.

228
00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,240
Speaker 1: By the way, for those of you who don't know

229
00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,480
Speaker 1: the story very well, you know, we started at the

230
00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,280
Speaker 1: network the same year. This was really an apples to

231
00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,000
Speaker 1: Apple's situation. We had a very similar public profile like

232
00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,840
Speaker 1: this for me felt very very much like an injustice

233
00:13:53,880 --> 00:14:01,040
Speaker 1: and a huge, huge, you know, evidential reality that this

234
00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,960
Speaker 1: was in fact an injustice and was wrong and by

235
00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:09,040
Speaker 1: the way, illegal. So we tried to negotiate getting my

236
00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,640
Speaker 1: pay to where it needed to be, and at the

237
00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,480
Speaker 1: end of the day, that network decided that they weren't

238
00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,760
Speaker 1: going to meet me there, not even close by the way.

239
00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,880
Speaker 1: So I always tell people this, you know, again, back

240
00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,120
Speaker 1: to the good girl culture that so many of us

241
00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,480
Speaker 1: were raised to be or to how to behave in

242
00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,320
Speaker 1: this very polite society as women, You know, how it

243
00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,160
Speaker 1: used to be. I got angry, and I always was

244
00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,840
Speaker 1: taught that angry anger itself was maybe a bad emotion

245
00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,600
Speaker 1: or a negative emotion, and it wasn't. It wasn't a

246
00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,720
Speaker 1: it wasn't a pretty way to behave. And it actually

247
00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,120
Speaker 1: took the anger from the situation to propel me forward

248
00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,200
Speaker 1: to do what I did. Like anger in that situation,

249
00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,320
Speaker 1: it was the emotion that I needed to awaken my

250
00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,120
Speaker 1: voice in many ways, to use my reach and my

251
00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,520
Speaker 1: power and take a stand against what I knew to

252
00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,800
Speaker 1: be right. So I also just want to say that

253
00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,520
Speaker 1: for any of you, regardless of what you do, or

254
00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,000
Speaker 1: if you're working in corporate America or have your own

255
00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,440
Speaker 1: business or whatever it is, or whether or not you

256
00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,680
Speaker 1: don't work at all, there's something I think inside of

257
00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,480
Speaker 1: all of us, which is our own moral compass, and

258
00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,000
Speaker 1: I just think it's so incredibly important that we listen

259
00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:31,000
Speaker 1: to that guttural instinct. And for me, my decision became

260
00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,320
Speaker 1: easier because I was able to walk away and quit

261
00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,080
Speaker 1: that job because I knew, I knew that if I

262
00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,840
Speaker 1: were to stay, that would have been a disservice to

263
00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,400
Speaker 1: me and my spirit and my core, because I would

264
00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,440
Speaker 1: have been living a lie. Again, it's back to truth

265
00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,960
Speaker 1: and the opposite, which is essentially living a lie. I

266
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,160
Speaker 1: would have gone air on air every day, day after day.

267
00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,800
Speaker 1: I would have settled for what I knew was below me.

268
00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,720
Speaker 1: I knew my worth was greater than what they were offering,

269
00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:11,440
Speaker 1: and I would have It would have just been an

270
00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:18,280
Speaker 1: act of self Deceit really the opposite of loving oneself.

271
00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,560
Speaker 1: It would have been settling, and therefore I wouldn't have

272
00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,560
Speaker 1: been able to do even the job that I wanted

273
00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,680
Speaker 1: to do, that I love to do. So eventually the

274
00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,160
Speaker 1: decision became easy for me. I guess nothing was really

275
00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,040
Speaker 1: easy about it, but it was at least clear. Let's

276
00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:39,280
Speaker 1: be clear, Okay, the decision was clear that I would

277
00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,640
Speaker 1: walk away and I would exit, and that departure for

278
00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,480
Speaker 1: me taught me so so much about all of the

279
00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,280
Speaker 1: many virtues that Shannon talks about and believes in and

280
00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,400
Speaker 1: acted upon, which is be brave. You know, even when

281
00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,760
Speaker 1: your voice shakes, you've got to be brave if that

282
00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,080
Speaker 1: is your truth, and and share your truth. And I

283
00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,040
Speaker 1: have to say, as scary as it is, guys, like

284
00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,199
Speaker 1: it's so incredibly rewarding to do it, I believe that

285
00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,120
Speaker 1: the universe on the other side of these scary moments,

286
00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,320
Speaker 1: these moments we were fearful, the moments where we feel

287
00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,719
Speaker 1: like we have everything to lose and real life is

288
00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,440
Speaker 1: on the line. I mean, I was a single mom

289
00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:29,040
Speaker 1: with two kids. Money mattered in my household, and so

290
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,639
Speaker 1: to take that leap was a massive risk. But because

291
00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,439
Speaker 1: I did it, and I know this now, I can

292
00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,119
Speaker 1: sit here on the other side and say, I know

293
00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,480
Speaker 1: that I did that because I've been rewarded by the universe.

294
00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,359
Speaker 1: I have been rewarded in so many ways. To see

295
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,240
Speaker 1: the women in Hollywood rally around me after making that

296
00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,879
Speaker 1: decision and leading again, not something I'd ever done. I

297
00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:00,879
Speaker 1: didn't love conflict. I disdain conflict in fact, But because

298
00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,800
Speaker 1: I had the courage to do that, I mean to

299
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,480
Speaker 1: see the support I received from doing that. I don't

300
00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,960
Speaker 1: know if y'all know about the Golden Globes. You know,

301
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,880
Speaker 1: event months after my departure in the thick of Times UP,

302
00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean so many women that again I love and

303
00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,840
Speaker 1: revere Sarah Jiska Parker and Eva Longoria and Deborah Messing

304
00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,320
Speaker 1: and Jennifer Lawrence and all these women taking a stand

305
00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,320
Speaker 1: on my behalf saying we stand with Kat because women

306
00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,040
Speaker 1: should be paid fairly in the workplace. Like I was

307
00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,880
Speaker 1: just astounded by the response that I received from other

308
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,320
Speaker 1: women and maybe perhaps even more importantly, the young girls

309
00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,960
Speaker 1: around the world who would reach out to me after that,

310
00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,080
Speaker 1: after that act of mine, after that stand of mine,

311
00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,600
Speaker 1: young girls doing like school reports in their classes, and

312
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,560
Speaker 1: then there would be college courses on equal pay and

313
00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,680
Speaker 1: just we've definitely, I don't want to say a long way,

314
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,679
Speaker 1: but we've definitely made progress in recent years. And so

315
00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,359
Speaker 1: that was just so fulfilling for me and unexpected for

316
00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,080
Speaker 1: me that my move would make any kind of impact.

317
00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,080
Speaker 1: I didn't do it for the impact. I didn't do

318
00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,199
Speaker 1: it for any kind of notoriety. In fact, I was

319
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,520
Speaker 1: suddenly like thrust into being this poster child for at

320
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,879
Speaker 1: the Times UP movement. Which I didn't ask to be.

321
00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:28,360
Speaker 1: But I'll also just say that it's so interesting if

322
00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,440
Speaker 1: you're open to being used enough service in your lifetime.

323
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 1: I remember being at E and I remember watching a

324
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,000
Speaker 1: lot of the other TV hosts come and then they'd go,

325
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,119
Speaker 1: or a reporter would come, and then they'd leave, and

326
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,840
Speaker 1: we'd be at their goodbye parties and we'd be wishing

327
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,199
Speaker 1: them well and we'd be toasting, you know, their career,

328
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 1: their contributions to the network and everything they did in entertainment.

329
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 1: And I remember always sitting there thinking, Hmm, I wonder

330
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 1: what my exit's going to look like. I wonder what

331
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,399
Speaker 1: my goodbye is going to look like. I wonder what

332
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,480
Speaker 1: my farewell party, what people are going to and I

333
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 1: wonder when that would be and how that would look.

334
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 1: And I never would have dreamed that my exit, after

335
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 1: twelve years, five days a week being with this company

336
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 1: and a dream job, that I absolutely changed my life

337
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 1: for the better in every way, that my departure would

338
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 1: look like that number one, and to just affect so

339
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:30,120
Speaker 1: many others and so ever since that post in that position,

340
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 1: I have felt a real obligation to continue to tell

341
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 1: that story and to continue to shine light on the

342
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 1: disparities in the workplace for women and the inequalities that

343
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,959
Speaker 1: are so so real still to this day, not just

344
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 1: for me and for white women, but for women of

345
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 1: color in particular. The disparity is horrific, and I hope

346
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 1: that we continue to shine a light on this issue.

347
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:04,719
Speaker 1: And it does take a certain skin. It takes a

348
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 1: certain skin to keep speaking up and to walk into

349
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: your boss's room and to say no, I want the promotion,

350
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: or no, this is unfair, or how come I keep

351
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 1: getting this assignment. He keeps getting this assignment, and he

352
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 1: keeps getting promoted, and he keeps getting the better jobs,

353
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 1: or he keeps getting the praise or the accolades. So

354
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: I feel you, women, I feel you. I know what

355
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 1: you are up against. But keep going, keep going. And

356
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 1: I always like to give the advice to keep records

357
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: of your achievements and what you do, because it's one

358
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: thing to say I believe in myself, I know my value,

359
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: but there really is some added value if you can

360
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 1: just show your wins, have records of your wins. Whatever

361
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 1: job you're in again, whatever industry you're in, whatever life

362
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,959
Speaker 1: situation you're in. The proof is in the pudding. You know,

363
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: if your clients are loving your work, or write that down,

364
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: or if you got this you know, thank you, or

365
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 1: nice email from another somebody else, you know, write it down.

366
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 1: Keep these things, collect these things, and don't be afraid

367
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: to ask proactively for what you want. I think that's

368
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: another thing I never really did growing up, is even

369
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: in school, even in work, I would never just I

370
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 1: was never that person just knocking on the door and

371
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 1: asking for what I want or asking for the assignment

372
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 1: I wanted, or as you know, raising my hand and

373
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: challenging anything like don't be afraid like that. Is what

374
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: I've learned through this whole process is just how liberating

375
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: it is and how much freedom there is when you

376
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: speak up. It's not even just speaking out, it's just

377
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: speaking up because again, as a society culturally over hundreds

378
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: of years, and this is just look at where we

379
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: used to be. I mean, my mom loves to tell

380
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: the story that you know, she had to ask my

381
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: dad to get a credit card because women weren't even

382
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 1: allowed to get their own credit card in our lifetime. Guys.

383
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: So you know, we have a lot of way to go,

384
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: but we have come a long way and let's keep

385
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: it going, is what I would say. For certain that

386
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 1: in many ways is kind of my my et story

387
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: and how that all came to be, and how again

388
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: I believe in truth in every aspect. In fact, my

389
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: podcast Kat Sadler now has morphed into you know, it

390
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: used to be more interviews with celebrities, kind of my background,

391
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: my experience of a conversation, for sure, but it is

392
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: morphed into let's talk about it. Let's take off the masks,

393
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: because let's get real. Let's be vulnerable. Can I be

394
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: transparent with you? Can I let it all hang out

395
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: again the way Shannon All always has. She was a

396
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: pioneer at this. But what happens when we do this

397
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: with each other is that we give one another permission

398
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: to be ourselves. We give one another permission to be

399
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: okay and understand that I don't care what you do,

400
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: what your zip code is, if it's nine O two

401
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: one Oho or if it's four six two five six.

402
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: In Danapolis and Niana where I'm from, we all bleed red.

403
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: We all have problems, we all have highs, we all

404
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: have lows, and there is just such great value when

405
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: we share our similar stories we're all so much more

406
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: like than we are different because it makes us feel

407
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 1: us alone, It makes us feel comforted in these similarities,

408
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: and hopefully it inspires all of us to keep going,

409
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: keep going, keep sharing. I mean, on a very superficial note,

410
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: and any of you again who listened to my weekly podcast,

411
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: know that I do share so much of my life,

412
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: and I often talk about the healing that I've done.

413
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the beautiful things having left my

414
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: five day a week career and now working for myself

415
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: and having my own production company is I'm really in

416
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: the driver's seat of what I get to talk about,

417
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: on what I get to do. But it also opened

418
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: up the space for me to do a lot of

419
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: my own healing. In recent years, I had been in

420
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: a series of failed relationships. I have been divorced twice,

421
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: although I will say I'm friends with both my exes.

422
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: But I was getting into some relationships and one in

423
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: particular that really almost took me out. Took me out

424
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: three or four years ago, and I went on a

425
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: real deep, deep dive into self healing and learning to

426
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: love myself again, learning to once again trust that gut

427
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: of mine, trust me myself, and trust my own power,

428
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: and I talk about that a lot on my podcast.

429
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: So I've done so much internal work. I'm literally that friend.

430
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm always sending like the book recommendation or the podcast

431
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: recommendation or a catformation, like lifting people up and trying

432
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: to remind women of what they can have and manifest

433
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: in their life to live optimally. But on the flip

434
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: side of that is, I'm still very much a girl's girl,

435
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: and all the girls I know in my life still

436
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: love to shop, and still love great clothes, and still

437
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: love want to share and exchange beauty secrets. And so

438
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: as I was turning fifty last month, the year before

439
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: turning fifty, I started, you know, having those conversations about midlife,

440
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: and a lot about midlife has to do with our interior,

441
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: our physical health, changing, our hormones, sleeping differently, growing different

442
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: weighing differently, like our moods changed. So much changes at

443
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: this time of life. And I was really, as a journalist,

444
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: interested in really exploring how that impacts women. But I'd

445
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: be lying if I didn't talk about the very vain

446
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: or superficial maybe not vain, but certainly the more surface

447
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: concern of what it means to age on the outside.

448
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: So I explored this whole what's available to me. I

449
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: didn't like my jowels so much. I started looking sad

450
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: all the time. I looked angry when I wasn't in photos.

451
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: And so I did what any good journalist does, and

452
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: I interviewed my plastic surgeon about do I need a

453
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: facelift or would that mean for me? And what would

454
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: that be like? And how could I experience this? And

455
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: should I or shouldn't I? And while I do this,

456
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: here's an idea, why don't I take my truth to

457
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: the people. And I am so glad that I did,

458
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: because I kid you not sitting here about seventeen months

459
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: post facelift, I hear from women every single day. I

460
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: literally joke with my doctor, Kim my plastic surgeon who

461
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: did my facelift necklift and I lift. I'm like, I

462
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: have become a liaison. I'm now the like consultant for

463
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: facelifts everywhere. It's like first it was I was like

464
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: the equal pay poster child. Now I'm the facelift poster child.

465
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: But anyway, I'll do the job because I'm happy to

466
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: talk about it because again, it is my truth. I

467
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: am incapable of telling a lie. People said to me like,

468
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: why are you Why are you telling the world about it?

469
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: Couldn't you just go do it? I'm like, I'm doing

470
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: it because that is who I am, that is how

471
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: I operate. And again the it's like, why gatekeep on

472
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: this stuff? Number One, I can't lie. I would never lie.

473
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: I would never be that person who's like, I had

474
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: three months vacation, don't I look rested. It's I just

475
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm allergic to lies. I don't want them from anybody else,

476
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: So why would I tell a lie? But also the

477
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: Sisterhood of Women were just like, let me let me

478
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: share with you what was how painful was it? What

479
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: was the recovery? Like how scared was I? You know?

480
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: Did they? You know? There are so many technical aspects

481
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: of this type of surgery and is a very serious

482
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: surgery and not to be taken lightly. But I've been

483
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: able to connect with so many different women literally you

484
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: guys from around the world who want to know about

485
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: this stuff. And in fact, doctor Kim is very happy

486
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: because he keeps saying, I just booked another one of

487
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: your friends from Dubai or somebody from Australia, it's wild.

488
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's just been another way, again not strategically

489
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: as far as my career goes, to just another very natural, organic,

490
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: authentic truth that I've been able to share that through

491
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: doing that, I think is providing value to other women

492
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: that makes them feel more okay in their own bodies

493
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: and minds when they start to feel similarly. I'm not

494
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: saying everybody go out and get a facelift. What I

495
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: am saying is, do your homework, get information, take this seriously.

496
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: Here are the risks involved. And then the other advice

497
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: I was giving every single person I speak with on

498
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: this is for me. It felt like the right time

499
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: because this wasn't about let me fix my face and

500
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I will be happy now. This

501
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: was I've done the interior work. I've done so much

502
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: introspection on self. I'm good with who I am. I

503
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: love the person I've become. I stand here confidently with self,

504
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: love knowing who I am. So this is just icing

505
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: on the cake. The facelift was the cherry on top

506
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: to other work that I'd been doing on myself, a real,

507
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: real gift to self. And so I've always said, you

508
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: can get all the botox you want to get in

509
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: the world, but that's not going to make your problems

510
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: go away, and that's not going to give you the

511
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: real joy that I think all of us want in

512
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: our lives. Joy. It really is simple. And so I

513
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: have to tell you one more thing before I let

514
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: you go, and that is again, I believe so much

515
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: in energy and coincidences. I feel like there is this

516
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: really a more masterful universal plan for all of our lives.

517
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: So I encourage you all to pay attention to that

518
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: and look around. If your eyes are up and you

519
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: can not be on your phone all day, They're just

520
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: there's so much beauty in the mundane and all these

521
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: things that each day like develop right in front of

522
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: our eyes if you are again awake enough to see them.

523
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: I know that Shannon loved horses, and that is another

524
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: love of mine are horses. It is my spirit animal.

525
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: And I have been really deep diving into the power

526
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 1: of the quantum field and metifestation and neuroscience and how

527
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: our brains work and how we kind of try and

528
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: someone in really beautiful things into our lives. And I

529
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: have had horses on my vision board for like three

530
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: years now, and again for anyone who follows my story

531
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: through my show, they know that I moved to where

532
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm sitting today, which is Little Gem Ranch. It's a

533
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: ranch in the Santa Monica Mountains. It's a dream come

534
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: true and we're on all this acreage and it's just

535
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: been a wild ride so far. But this home where

536
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm living used to be home to horses. There are

537
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: about eight horses that lived here. There's still some corrals

538
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: here and I keep telling everybody like that's like phase five.

539
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: One day I'll get a horse. One day I'll get

540
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: a horse. And I've been manifesting one day to have

541
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: my dream horse. And it's just too cute that we

542
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: have too much going on. We're redoing our house, we're

543
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 1: redoing our land, and we've got six kids between us,

544
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: so our lives are very full and very busy. But

545
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: the people adjacent to our property, by the way, there

546
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: are probably five different homes within the vicinity, none of

547
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: which have horses. Right, but the neighbors right adjacent to

548
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: our house moved in in July and as of literally

549
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: last night, as the sun is going down, unload their

550
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: first of two horses. And so when I say that

551
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: this property is like adjacent, like we share a fence,

552
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: and when we're sitting by our pool, twenty feet away

553
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: is what is now our neighbors horse Coral. And so

554
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: last night I was so excited. I was sitting on

555
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: my couch and I heard me like I'm sitting on

556
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: the couch. I'm like, oh, there's a horse. There's a horse.

557
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: Where's there a horse? And I like throw my uggs

558
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 1: on and I run outside and there was many And

559
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: while she's not my horse, she's our neighbor's horse, but

560
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: we became friends really fast. And she's so gorgeous and

561
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: she looks like this frosted Graham cracker, beige, nude, freckled,

562
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: kind of stunning horse. And I was just going to

563
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: bed last night and I was just like, I have

564
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: had horses on my manifestation board for three years and

565
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: I have no business owning a horse right now. I

566
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: don't have the time, you know, we don't have the resources.

567
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: We have so many other things to do. I was like,

568
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 1: but what are the chances that I'm looking at a horse.

569
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: There's a horse we have a friend. It's not my horse. Again,

570
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: it's not my horse, but I get to look and

571
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: enjoy and befriend this creature without even leaving my house

572
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: every single day moving forward. And that's many. And apparently

573
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: they're moving in Zoro next week. So two horses that

574
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: I'll get to love on and even ride. We were

575
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: talking about that last night. So I just I thought

576
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: of Shannon because as I was coming to the microer today,

577
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: I was like another horse lover. Maybe she's up there

578
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: just winking at me. Because what a gift, What an

579
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: expected gift, A manifestation of I suppose my thoughts and

580
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: emotions focusing on all things beautiful, all things beautiful. So

581
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: one more thing before before I let you go. I

582
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: actually I do this sometimes you heard about catfirmations are

583
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: kind of my way of sharing affirmations with people and

584
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: ways to lift them up or inspire them or just

585
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: give them a bit, a bit of a read or

586
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: a notion that brings them comfort in some way. And

587
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: I found this book as I was prepping to come

588
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: here into Shannon space today. It's called How Far You

589
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: Have Come. It's by Morgan Harper Nichols. Do you know this?

590
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: She's an artist and poet. She's all of our Instagram.

591
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: Her artwork's amazing If you don't know Morgan Harper Nichols,

592
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: go check her out. But she wrote in this poetry

593
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: book one passage that I just thought was so so pretty,

594
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: and it reminded me of Shannon a little bit. So

595
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: I'll read it with you guys. It says, when all

596
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: of this is over, I'll take shelter under the orange

597
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: tree that sits in the shadow of the old oak tree,

598
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: cloaked under the sky, wide and black. I can trust

599
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: and believe despite the sorrows stored in my skin, joy

600
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: is a steady stream in the depths of my soul,

601
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: and the midnight sky a balm for my sun dried arms.

602
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: I am not who I was. I do not have

603
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: to run anymore. I have hope. This day is still

604
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: brimming with a thousand stories, and my story is one

605
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: of many. Under the orange tree, under the oak tree,

606
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: my words unassembled within me. I peel back this orange

607
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: layer by layer to tell its story, and then I

608
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: peel another one and another. I taste their sweetness, each

609
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: piece of fruit in its own season. Leaning against the

610
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: brown tree trunk, I weep. Finally, under all these shredded layers,

611
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: I am finally free to rest. So I love you, Shannon,

612
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: I love everything you stood for. I'm sorry we didn't

613
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: get to share a human hug in your lifetime, but

614
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to know of you and to now

615
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: be a vehicle here today on your space Let's Be Clear.

616
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: So thank you everybody for just letting me connect in

617
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: this way with you, and tune in next week for

618
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: another episode of Let's Be Clear, Let's Love Hi,