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Speaker 1: So that's just the business. That's a part of the business.

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Speaker 1: The main thing I don't want to be as Cavalier.

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Speaker 1: This is a significant thing for not only our franchise,

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Speaker 1: those those are all uh nuances of negotiating and having

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Speaker 1: And they're all points to consider and they cause you

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Speaker 1: is just not anything that I haven't been involved in

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