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Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's

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Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson.

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Speaker 2: Shawna Van Bogart is here with us today. She is

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Speaker 2: a self leadership expert with an intuition edge, which intuitive edge,

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Speaker 2: which I love. I loved tying them both together and

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Speaker 2: I wanted to tell the listeners just a full disclosure

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Speaker 2: about what happened yesterday because they know me and they

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Speaker 2: will appreciate this because I think it will give them

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Speaker 2: insight into the work that you do. But Shauna and

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Speaker 2: I were supposed to record yesterday and I was just

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Speaker 2: having one of those impath days, like I have been

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Speaker 2: going through a little bit of a release of some sort.

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Speaker 2: And for all my highly sensitive people who listen to

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Speaker 2: this podcast, you know that sometimes when you're in it,

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Speaker 2: it just like takes you out. And thankfully Shauna was

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Speaker 2: a person that I've felt comfortable enough, not even knowing,

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Speaker 2: but knowing what you do and kind of how you're

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Speaker 2: wired based on your website, I just thought you might understand,

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Speaker 2: So tell me what happened when I reached out to

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Speaker 2: you where you were.

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Speaker 3: Like, I get it, girl, I could definitely get this.

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Speaker 4: I was I knew exactly where you were at. We

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Speaker 4: had already done the photo reads, so honestly, I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: be surprised if it was a little bit tied together. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 4: because a lot of times when I do those reads

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Speaker 4: for women later, like two weeks later, they're like, I

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Speaker 4: don't know what happened, but I've been so emotional, and

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Speaker 4: I'm like, well, you're probably releasing. I just think the

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Speaker 4: power of being seen, oh yeah, on levels that like

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Speaker 4: other people don't typically see that inner world is really powerful.

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Speaker 2: Well, as you said that, my eyes started twitching, So

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Speaker 2: I think that you might be right. I've been having

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Speaker 2: this weird eye twitch, which I've learned in somatic therapy

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Speaker 2: is typically when emotions are ready to come out and

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Speaker 2: they're not quite releasing fully. So yeah, something you must

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Speaker 2: be saying to me is definitely resonating with my soul

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Speaker 2: for sure.

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Speaker 4: Well, we can't hide from it anymore if we get

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Speaker 4: called out on something, or we're yeah, like called out

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Speaker 4: in a good way, in a bad way, not bad

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Speaker 4: or whatever, you know, and so once something comes to

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Speaker 4: and then things get old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're going to talk about the photo rat

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Speaker 2: in a second, because I told you before the podcast

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Speaker 2: I find this skill set of yours so fascinating. But first,

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Speaker 2: just will you tell the listeners what is a self

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Speaker 2: leadership expert?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So, I have been in the field of working with

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Speaker 4: people for over fifteen years and this is a term

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Speaker 4: that exists. I did not make it up, but it

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Speaker 4: is the best term that I have found presently to

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Speaker 4: capture what I do, and that's really to help people

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Speaker 4: have the best relationship they can have with themselves, because

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Speaker 4: I believe that to be kind of the core facet

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Speaker 4: of performance. And so I work with women that are

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Speaker 4: high performers, high achievers in various different careers, usually CEOs,

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Speaker 4: some form of leader, and they very much understand in

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Speaker 4: value in inside out approach to getting results in their life.

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Speaker 4: So I'm kind of the person who gets their inside

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Speaker 4: world fine tuned for those next levels.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean an inside out approach.

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Speaker 4: Crafting and honing your inner world, your attitudes, your beliefs,

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Speaker 4: your energy systems, you know, operating from your intuition and

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Speaker 4: kind of like the more masculine energies which are drive

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Speaker 4: and determination, anything having to do with limiting beliefs, healing

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Speaker 4: anything that happens on the inside, because we know that

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Speaker 4: our you know, subconscious system is driving most of our

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Speaker 4: decision making and our actions. And we pride the mind

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Speaker 4: and the power power of thinking, but the reality is

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Speaker 4: we have this really sophisticated subconscious system that really tries

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Speaker 4: to protect us, and unfortunately, protecting us oftentimes means stifling, minimizing,

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Speaker 4: not allowing ourselves to be in our desire, chasing our goals.

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Speaker 4: So I'm really working with women on this mind but

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Speaker 4: also the mind below the neck, which is all of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll also get into that a little bit because

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Speaker 2: the feminine energy. But what I want to know about

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Speaker 2: what happened in your life because you mentioned to me

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Speaker 2: that you used to do image consulting, similar to some

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Speaker 4: Well, I loved knowing and seeing how we could use

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Speaker 4: So that interest was always innate. And then when I

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Speaker 4: of humans, which is, okay, we can do everything to

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Speaker 4: It was that we just spent all this investment perfecting

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Speaker 4: And so for me, I just couldn't explore, like, what

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Speaker 4: is that about what's going on underneath there that would

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Speaker 4: literally down to the subconscious system where I did hypnotherapy

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Speaker 4: certifications and all of that and brought me here. So

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Speaker 4: it just was a curiosity of like what is underneath

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I identify with that so much, so many times

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Speaker 2: much you would be so surprised. But what I've realized

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Speaker 2: what I bring is focus more on the internal beauty

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Speaker 2: it is an inside job. You're so right, Like, obviously

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's I hate to be like

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Speaker 4: it's a vibe, but it is no totally. You can

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Speaker 4: confidence because they they look great. I mean, this was

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Speaker 4: it just kind of makes everything unnecessarily harder for themselves

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Speaker 2: Wait, what is the difference between confidence and self esteem?

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Speaker 2: I would have never thought those were separate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, confidence is definitely more of an external thing. You

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Speaker 4: definitely an inside game, I would I would, I would

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Speaker 4: say that it's very similar to like self worthiness. There's

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Speaker 4: a lot of confident people walking around that don't feel worthy.

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Speaker 4: So once an exterior game. You can use resources and

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Speaker 4: use you know again, body language, image, all of those

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Speaker 4: more on the inside. But how do you feel about

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that just clicked, because that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Like if you think about during COVID times, a lot

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Speaker 2: who I am right now because you know, our jobs

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know, yeah, but of course they want

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Speaker 4: And it's not about not savoring and applauding and having

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Speaker 4: That's where I find a lot of women, unless they're

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Speaker 2: that it's a really big struggle for me. Everything you're

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Speaker 2: saying I identify with so fully. That has exactly been

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Speaker 3: That as well.

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Speaker 2: And you do you keep chasing the thing, and especially

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Speaker 2: in this day and age, that's just how we're rewarded.

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Speaker 2: So it's so easy to get wrapped up in that,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of times my friends and I try

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Speaker 2: to say to each other, yeah, but you're amazing and loving,

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Speaker 2: like worthy of love because you woke up today just

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Speaker 2: It's like the more success you get, you almost have

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Speaker 4: You do, because it's a little bit of a drug.

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Speaker 4: Achievement addiction, and you know you're gonna just keep challenging

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Speaker 3: God that is Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm just promising it all because I really identify, especially.

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Speaker 4: And we do have to work around this confined if

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Speaker 4: So I believe at our core, you know, we come

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Speaker 2: Way you were before the programming started, before you started

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm assuming once you start learning those kind

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just interesting, but you said and I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really bizarre. So okay, what a photo read is?

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Speaker 4: I ask for five recent photos, like in the past

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Speaker 4: any blind spots that you have. I can see your potential.

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Speaker 4: I can see wounding. Sometimes I can see which side,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've obviously tapped into yours.

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Speaker 2: So when you're operating in the world, how do you

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Speaker 4: I'm really removed from my personal preferences. And that's impossible

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Speaker 2: That makes sense to me because something I'm starting to

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Speaker 2: like I can try to talk myself out of it,

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00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: but my initial feeling is always the thing that ends

438
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 2: up being true years later, even like I can try

439
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 2: to convince myself to like someone and then it's something

440
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 2: will end up blowing up in my life in that relationship,

441
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 2: and I go gud, that first initial thought was always right.

442
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: But it's a feeling for me. It's like a knowing

443
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 2: in my body now that's been studied. Actually, so back

444
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 2: in image consulting, what intrigued me about image consulting was

445
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 2: not so much like the styling and all that. It

446
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 2: was the art of first impressions, oh okay. So really,

447
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: as an image consultant, you're working a lot with the

448
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: first impression, and you know, when they've done studies on this,

449
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: it is true that usually our first gut instinct is

450
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Speaker 2: the correct one over time, so it usually doesn't change.

451
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Speaker 4: But most people, I mean, we have that gut reaction.

452
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 4: Most people shut that down so fast and then they

453
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 4: come back. They it just gets flooded with all this

454
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Speaker 4: other stimulation that we either miss it or we talk

455
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Speaker 4: ourselves out of it, and then you know, yeah, we

456
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 4: miss red flags perhaps.

457
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I'm starting to now say to

458
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Speaker 2: myself the second I feel like I don't try to

459
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Speaker 2: make it make sense. I used to try to make

460
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: it make sense, and it's like, no, I'm not gonna

461
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 2: understand it because this is such a deeper sensing thing

462
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm getting with this person's energy, and so those those

463
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: things are not going to present themselves to way later

464
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: down the road, if that person is even still on

465
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: the life. Now, I'm sort of like, if I get

466
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: the ick, I'm like out.

467
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Speaker 4: Yep, yep. And that's why I like, I have been

468
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 4: doing this all my life, I think because I didn't

469
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Speaker 4: understand it was intuition. I just thought, I'm an incredibly

470
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Speaker 4: aware of person and this is a first impression thing.

471
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it just was very like scientific

472
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Speaker 4: in my mind.

473
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

474
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 4: It wasn't like some thing I don't know.

475
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Speaker 3: So that makes sense.

476
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Speaker 4: It just was like, yeah, I just read people. Well. Now,

477
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 4: the discernment that comes over time in practice, is is

478
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 4: it because the person's having a bad moment or is

479
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 4: it because there's something about character that is not blending

480
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 4: with my system? Right? So, you know, because our first

481
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: impression can definitely be like we just got pulled over

482
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 4: by the cops, We're having a bad day, like whatever, right,

483
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 4: and so it could be circumstantial, not an actual character thing,

484
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 4: but discerning that just comes from a tremendous amount of practice.

485
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I have clarity online.

486
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

487
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Speaker 2: Another thing you say on your website is be who

488
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: you need to be so you can do what you

489
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Speaker 2: came here to.

490
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Speaker 3: Do, which I loved.

491
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Speaker 2: And I think when we were talking about intuition, it

492
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 2: is an easy thing to kind of go, oh, whatever, yeah,

493
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: or I'm not even that intuitive, you know, and everyone

494
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Speaker 2: has intuition, is what I'm always trying to say on

495
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Speaker 2: this podcast. And one of the things that you brought

496
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Speaker 2: up to me yesterday when I asked you, you know,

497
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: really what you wanted to talk about was to help

498
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 2: that you're really your big purpose right now feels like

499
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Speaker 2: helping women cultivate this inner knowing for themselves and just

500
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Speaker 2: how that is really tied to reaching our goals and

501
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Speaker 2: having like peak performance.

502
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Speaker 3: So why do we need.

503
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Speaker 2: To be who we need to be so we can

504
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Speaker 2: do what we need to do?

505
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Speaker 4: First of all, it's easier, and second of all, when

506
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 4: we claim, well, there's sort of like the general facets, right,

507
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 4: there's for women we need to claim this intuitive piece.

508
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Speaker 4: But then there's uniquely what is your expression to the world,

509
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 4: and that was unique to every single person. And usually

510
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 4: we can't get to the second one without the first

511
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 4: one because what shuts intuition down is reasoning, structure, facts, data,

512
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Speaker 4: And as you said earlier, intuition is very nonsensical. It's

513
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 4: knowing without knowing, and you have to be okay not

514
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 4: making sense of things. You just have to trust and

515
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 4: follow it. In some of the best inventors, leaders, innovators

516
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 4: in the world, they don't know why, they just feel

517
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 4: this is the right move to make, or this was

518
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 4: the right thing to create, you know, like and then

519
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 4: the context comes after the fact, so you know, and

520
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 4: then especially when you get into performance. One of my

521
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 4: mentors years ago, when I was in this performance certification,

522
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 4: she was talking about fighter pilots in the Air Force

523
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Speaker 4: and how they ranked really high on intuition and how

524
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Speaker 4: you would find that really almost counterintuitive. You think they

525
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 4: would be high on logic and reasoning and all of

526
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Speaker 4: that to fly an airplane. And they were like, no,

527
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Speaker 4: we have to be in tu to we're moving so fast,

528
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 4: we have to be in flow. You have to be

529
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Speaker 4: able to not only follow those instincts, but but trust

530
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Speaker 4: them so that you can follow them. So if you

531
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Speaker 4: want flow, and if you're here to perform and you're

532
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 4: here to do big things, at some point you're going

533
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 4: to have to own that intuitive piece because it's where

534
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 4: creativity lives, it's where ideas live. And you know, you

535
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 4: can't follow someone else's template into greatness. You've got to

536
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 4: carve your own path.

537
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Speaker 2: Oo, if I've tried that one, it doesn't work, just

538
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: doesn't work. Go you really can't. It's like, actually you can't.

539
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Speaker 2: So do men have the same level of intuition as women?

540
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Speaker 4: They do. They just don't. I would argue it doesn't

541
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Speaker 4: come as innate to them.

542
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Speaker 3: Okay, but they do.

543
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, when we talk about the masculine feminine,

544
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Speaker 4: it's not gender based. It's more like the energy systems

545
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 4: right as humans, we embody both. It's more of a

546
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Speaker 4: harmonizing you know. It's not like a fifty to fifty

547
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: that we're looking for. It's more like having the right harmony.

548
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Speaker 4: And then we all have our unique style on top

549
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Speaker 4: of that, you know. And so you'll see men with

550
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 4: an incredible amount and women with an incredible amount of

551
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 4: drive and like, you know, discipline and structure in all

552
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 4: of that. And it's not that they're not using their intuition,

553
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 4: but if they were to go, you know what, there's

554
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Speaker 4: something to this intuitive piece that would allow me to

555
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 4: perform faster, fly, higher, move quicker, you know, whatever it is,

556
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 4: they have the same ability that we do as women

557
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Speaker 4: to step into that. I don't know if it's as

558
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 4: well received as it is in women, because women instinctually

559
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: are When you think of intuition, usually a woman pops

560
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 4: into your mind, not a man. Yeah, so I think

561
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Speaker 4: men have just counted themselves out. But and by nature

562
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Speaker 4: of that. You know, it's hard to say, like because

563
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 4: they've counted themselves out of the stereotype of what we

564
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: associate with that word, they haven't cultivated it or are

565
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 4: they built in a way where they are at a

566
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 4: little bit of a deficit. I don't know the answer

567
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: to that. But everyone can cultivate it, and everyone has

568
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: the ability to be intuitive.

569
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Speaker 2: Also, wonder if it's like if if it's based on

570
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: different things, like maybe women can tap into more emotional intuition.

571
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: Men are more instinctual, like you were talking about in

572
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: the plane, like more the survivor instinct, the like fight

573
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: or flight, the protecting from predators. I don't know, I'm

574
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: just thinking through like the difference between the maskulin and women.

575
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Speaker 4: In Yeah, for sure. And I think it's also the

576
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 4: amount of safety you carry with you in your system

577
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 4: to be authentic.

578
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

579
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 4: Again, if you've had a childhood where you've had to

580
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 4: minimize yourself and like you know, feel small, then usually

581
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: intuition is one of the first things that goes. And

582
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 4: so for men or women, if they have any kind

583
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 4: of dynamics like that, first you have to repair the self.

584
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Speaker 3: Trust God, that is so true.

585
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: I genuine like, I had an experience with a person

586
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: last week that I'm in a relationship with that he

587
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: said to me when I reacted to this, which was

588
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: a really good reaction. When we first were having a

589
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: certain conversation, he totally chose based on intuition, and it

590
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: was such a healing emotion, like a beautiful conversation.

591
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

592
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: And then a week later we reconnected about that same

593
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: conversation and he started bringing in the narratives from his childhood.

594
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: The like structure he thought he should.

595
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: Say, trying to figure out the right thing to say,

596
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: and it was a disaster of a conversation. So it's

597
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: so interesting that we can just intuitively feel how to

598
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: be with each other and we end up getting ourselves

599
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: into trouble, like talking ourselves out of the actual beauty

600
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: between each other.

601
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: See that's the self leadership piece right there, is like, Okay,

602
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 4: you're getting these hits, like women are getting these men

603
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 4: are getting these hits. Yeah, are they following them? And

604
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: there's so many reasons we interrupt the flow of those

605
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 4: and you know, part of it is self trust, but

606
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 4: also you know, because it's nonsensical. I'll tell a brief

607
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: story when I was pregnant with my daughter. I had

608
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 4: a dream during second trimester she was going to be breach.

609
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 4: And so then when they told me at about thirty

610
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: four thirty five weeks she's breach, I was like, okay,

611
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: well expected that and here goes and you know, we

612
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 4: were on a path of natural childbirth whatever, and so

613
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: they encouraged me to go do all these things. So

614
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: I did all the things to try to get her

615
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 4: to turn, and I just was like, I don't think

616
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: she's going to turn. And they wanted me to do

617
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: this ECV procedure, which is where the doctor, you like,

618
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: go in and they prep you as if you may

619
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 4: need an emergency C section, but the doctor will manually

620
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: try to turn the baby. And I've heard it's very painful,

621
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 4: like in your stomach. And they were really encouraging me

622
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 4: to do that because if they could get her to turn,

623
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Speaker 4: then I could stay the path. And I was like, listen,

624
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 4: I'm a flexible person. I'm not so rigidly holding to this.

625
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 4: And I was like, it is it, and I'm running

626
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 4: this through my system right and intuitively, I'm like, she's

627
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 4: not going to turn. She's not going to turn, And

628
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 4: so I went back and I said, I'm going to

629
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 4: stick with just having the csarean, And I could see

630
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: the look of disappointment from the midwife and the nurse

631
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: in the room, and she was not coming down on me,

632
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: but I could tell that she really wanted me to

633
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 4: try it. And in that moment, I'm like, who am I.

634
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 4: I'm not an authority, I'm not a nurse, and here's

635
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: this person who knows better. And that happens a lot

636
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 4: in our lives. Is like the experts come in and

637
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 4: they tell us, you know, and so yet we want

638
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 4: to trust people, and there is a balance to that.

639
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 4: For sure. Self leadership is about having that really fine

640
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 4: line of discernment to go, I know you're an expert,

641
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 4: and this doesn't take anything away from you being an expert,

642
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 4: but I got to trust me here. And so then

643
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: when we delivered, the doctor was like, oh, I want

644
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: to have been able to turn her. She had one

645
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 4: foot stuck in my pelvis in one foot up doing

646
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 4: the splits, and so I was like, it was like

647
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 4: the first rite of passage into motherhood, like mother's intuition.

648
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 4: I'm like, we didn't do that, but it was I

649
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 4: almost turned back around and went back in there and said,

650
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm gonna trust you and go do it.

651
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 4: It takes a lot of conviction to stick to that, knowing.

652
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: It really does, and that you would have just suffered

653
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: through something painful to note all you want it either.

654
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: It's so traumatic for both of us.

655
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: Exactly.

656
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

657
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: Crazy.

658
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: So you've talked about high achieving women, which I have

659
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: always been taught that when we are in our high

660
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: achieving state and we're really like, are a lot of

661
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: women who get into like a high business place start

662
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: operating from their masculine and so it's like getting back

663
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: in touch with our women's intuition, our feminine energy and

664
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: all that stuff. But now we're talking about that both

665
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: men and women have intuition, So can you kind of

666
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: navigate that for me? Like, how if we're in a

667
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: masculine place in our work world, why do we need

668
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: to go back into the feminine or why are we

669
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: not able to tap into our intuition if we're in

670
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: the masculine?

671
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: I don't know. Am I making sense with that?

672
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think I'm following you with that, Like why

673
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: the need to hone both systems?

674
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

675
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 4: Like why so anything taken to its extreme will become

676
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 4: its opposite. So if anyone is too extreme in their drive,

677
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 4: drive starts to become stubbornness or rigidity, okay, And the

678
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: way to harmonize that so that you don't fall into

679
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 4: the trap of being a workaholic and burn out. And frankly,

680
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: when you're driving from that place, you're in such a

681
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 4: contracted state of sheer will power. There's no creativity flow there,

682
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 4: so you're probably not honestly thinking the best for the

683
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: state of growth for the stakeholders involved in the growth

684
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 4: of the company. It's sheer production, and there's a time

685
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 4: and a place for sheer production, and then there's a

686
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 4: time and a place for growth and creativity. But if

687
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 4: you are like driving and disciplined and highly structured in

688
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 4: all of this, it leaves very little room for flexibility

689
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 4: to pivot and to innovate. And so when we talk

690
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 4: about leadership, you really need both sides of the coin otherwise,

691
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: you know. And then on the other side, if you

692
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 4: don't have any drive or I put purpose in the

693
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 4: masculine category as well, if you don't have the discipline

694
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 4: and you're all just intuition, you're just kind of like

695
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 4: going over here and going over here and going over here,

696
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 4: you know, like then the structure is not there to

697
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: support the growth. So either way it has to be

698
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 4: harmonized correctly, otherwise it's going to become a limitation.

699
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: And so the okay, so it's basically learning how to

700
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: do the drive, have that balance, but then also take

701
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 2: a step back, pat back in, really remember who you are,

702
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: the motivations, the creativity, all of that stuff will start flowing.

703
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, and even I work with a lot

704
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 4: of business owners, and so for them, it's so easy

705
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 4: to fall into the trap of thinking that it has

706
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 4: to look like this a steady growth. That's not how

707
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 4: it looks.

708
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: It looks like this, yeah, or the court screw is

709
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: the one I always do, like up and down, And

710
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: that's just life.

711
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 4: It's just the way it's going to go. And you know,

712
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 4: for me, I've had many seasons in my career. Some

713
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 4: are highly productive and it's a lot about structure. And

714
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 4: then to me, it just kind of feels like weather,

715
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 4: Like weather comes in and I can just sniff it

716
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 4: out and I can tell time to step back, and

717
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: it's a season of almost regrouping and auditing and like

718
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 4: loowing down and maybe taking a down year in revenue

719
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 4: because to have the next big stage, I have to

720
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: have the space to regroup. There's a famous like adage

721
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: or metaphor about you know, shooting the arrow, and for

722
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 4: the arrow to have momentum, you have to pull it

723
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 4: back first. And there's an honoring of the seasons that

724
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 4: has to occur that I think sometimes women can struggle

725
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 4: with because again, stepping back to them looks like, oh

726
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 4: my gosh, I'm killing my momentum.

727
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

728
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, But to conceive and create the next big stage

729
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 4: it's equally as important.

730
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 2: That's the hard part, because that's what we talked about

731
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: at the beginning, where if if you're in the pullbacks eight,

732
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: you're trying to rest and relax, recoup all the things

733
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: we shame ourselves.

734
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do.

735
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 3: It's like a constant cycle we do.

736
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk a little bit more about the other

737
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: things that you do. You've mentioned a couple of times

738
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: of high achieving women, and so I know there's a

739
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: business mentorship also paradigm shifts.

740
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: So can you talk.

741
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: Through what both of those mean if people would be

742
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: interested in working with you?

743
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, So everything we've talked about here without going like

744
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 4: too technical. It's like we can live in a paradigm

745
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 4: of worthiness or not, and a paradigm is a pattern.

746
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 4: And it's like again that worldview that gets set when

747
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 4: we're little and then it gets reinforced by our culture.

748
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 4: And for my audience of women, most of them live

749
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 4: in this paradigm of I've got to earn it. It's

750
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: got to be a struggle. If I didn't do it myself,

751
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 4: it doesn't count. You know, everything we've talked about, that's

752
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 4: a paradigm that they live in and it doesn't have

753
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 4: to be that way. So part of breaking out of

754
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: any kind of pattern is you have to pause, because

755
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 4: if you don't pause, then the pattern just keeps replicating itself.

756
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 4: And so the platform which you can find at start

757
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 4: Pausing dot com, the gateway to that would be this

758
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: five day mental reset, which is to really help women

759
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 4: who know they're in their heads too much, who know

760
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 4: that they maybe have a tendency to be like perfectionistic

761
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 4: and overly driven and they can't relax, you know, to

762
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 4: really find that harmony again, which will make everything, including

763
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 4: in their personal life, so much easier. So it's shifting

764
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: from one paradigm that our culture has told us and

765
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 4: prided this is the way, and really claiming and agreeing

766
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 4: with that there is another way to be in your

767
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 4: life that is not so much sacrifice.

768
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Speaker 2: I always talk about the power of the pause. That's

769
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 2: why I was smiling when you were saying that. Yes,

770
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 2: the listeners are so familiar with that because I did

771
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: the opposite, and I, like I said, tried to follow

772
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: the rule book of someone else or many other people

773
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: for many years and it just led to such burnout

774
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: and complete collapse.

775
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it.

776
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: Was ultimately the best thing for me because it has

777
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: taught me a little bit more about balance and I

778
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: struggle with it still. It's like an ongoing thing. But

779
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: even allowing myself yesterday to reach out to you was

780
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: like such progress for me because I would have just

781
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: powered through in the past, you know. And sometimes we

782
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: just have to pause and give ourselves a space.

783
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 4: Well, that's where life is actually created, is in the pause.

784
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: It's not in the do Yeah, because the pause is

785
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: where we have that choice point of going do I

786
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: want to continue this way or is there another choice?

787
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 4: And there is and you can't do that if you

788
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 4: don't pause. So I'm curious for you, like what prevented

789
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: you from pausing before you kind of had sounds like

790
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 4: you got a force pause.

791
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: I did have a forced pause.

792
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: I think what prevented me was definitely feeling like opportunities

793
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: were coming and if I stopped, I would miss them.

794
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: That was a big one. But then what happened is

795
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: the more opportunities that came, I did not really know

796
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: exactly how to outsource, and so I just had so

797
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: much on my plate and there wasn't any space in

798
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: my life for a life at all. Like I couldn't date,

799
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: I was only working basically, I barely saw my friends,

800
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: and I was in a season. Sometimes I do think

801
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: there's seasons of that where you're just like, Yeah, these

802
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 2: opportunities are here, I need to like go into them.

803
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: But then what happened is I would try to start

804
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: having a life, and the the decisions I was making

805
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: in my personal life because I wasn't allowing myself to

806
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: tap into my intuition and stop ended up being the

807
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: thing that brought me to my knees because I was

808
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: surrounding myself with people who weren't good for me, you know,

809
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: in relationship and work dynamics and things like that, and

810
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: so yeah, it just ended up. I always I'm like,

811
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: oh my god, I feel like I had a mental breakdown,

812
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: But I truthfully, I know it was my own intuition

813
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: being like you have to stop and the contracts that

814
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: I made before I came here. If you're a sole

815
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: person like me, like I always just feel like those

816
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: people just did exactly what they needed to do in

817
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: my life to get me to actually stop and get

818
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: to know myself again. Even though it was painful, it

819
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: was still the best thing. And I always say that,

820
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: although like I went through some a couple years of

821
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: just really like kind of cleaning things out and it

822
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: was very painful and hard, it really did bring me

823
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: back to me. So that's why your statement was so

824
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: profound to me, because I'm like, that is it. It's

825
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: not like you have get to know yourself, but it's

826
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: like who am I and where did I get lost

827
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: along this way? It's just like shifting you back onto

828
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: the right path.

829
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I just so appreciate that approach because to me,

830
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 4: that's everything. It's like, Okay, challenge, challenge, challenge, and a

831
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 4: lot of times it is like the universe or whatever

832
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 4: getting louder and louder because you're not paying attention, and

833
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 4: I'll try.

834
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll definitely I'll be.

835
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: Like like oh, like no, no, no, no, We're going

836
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: on this path for sure.

837
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: Because we don't want to stop. Because here's the thing.

838
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 4: It feels so good to achieve, and it feels so

839
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 4: good to be driven, and it feels so good to

840
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 4: experience the satisfaction of like being in our element. But

841
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 4: it also feels really good to be taken care of

842
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 4: and to relax and to be like and to receive

843
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 4: and to feel like, Okay, I felt this great in

844
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 4: my office, but the moment I walk out the store,

845
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be with my daughter, and I also feel

846
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 4: relaxed and like I want I want all of it.

847
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 4: I don't want to just feel good thriving in my career.

848
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: And I feel like for me that was such my

849
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 4: baby was my career, and it just started to feel

850
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 4: like well, and then in my personal life exactly, and

851
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 4: it's like, I want it it all. I want to

852
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 4: feel good in all the spaces. I really want to

853
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 4: lay my head on my pillow at night and genuinely

854
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 4: feel like I'm a great wife and I'm a great mom,

855
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 4: and I want my kids to be able to see

856
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 4: a relaxed mom, not just a productive, awesome mom, you know,

857
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: And so you shouldn't have to get to burn out

858
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 4: to learn those lessons, but we all do it, and

859
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: sometimes that's just how it's going to show up for us.

860
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 4: But I love that you're able to leverage those as

861
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 4: catalysts for massive growth, because yeah, that's the only way

862
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 4: I know how to see it. And I'm like so

863
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 4: thankful for those moments in my life because they fundamentally

864
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 4: change everything for me in the most possible ways.

865
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Speaker 2: Me too, mostly in the way of having a relationship

866
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: with myself at all, because when you're in the doing

867
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: space of the go go go go go achieve achivachieva

868
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: achieve again, we're just such we're driving so much that

869
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: our intuition is the thing that tells us, like when

870
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: to stop, take care of yourself, when to eat for me,

871
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 2: when to sleep. When you know, it's like all those

872
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Speaker 2: basic needs go under the table. And then also like

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Speaker 2: I was just lonely. I didn't realize it, but man,

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Speaker 2: I mean I looked on the outside.

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Speaker 3: Like I had it all together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing that was like the driving force in

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Speaker 2: most of my days was seeking connection and mostly with myself.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Yes, there's like this longing that women

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Speaker 4: feel and they're like, I don't know what it is

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Speaker 4: because I've got this and I've got this people around me,

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Speaker 4: and there's just this longing and it's in my heart

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Speaker 4: center and I what is that, Shauna. I'm like, it's you.

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Speaker 3: You're right, you miss you.

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Speaker 2: Because if you're giving it all away, like you're just

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Speaker 2: giving it all away, that's it. And if you start

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Speaker 2: from it like that place and you're just achieving like

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Speaker 2: that and just giving and giving and giving, eventually it

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Speaker 2: does catch up with you. It is because we have

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Speaker 2: to give to ourselves first, is what I've learned. And

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Speaker 2: it gets so much harder than it sounds.

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Speaker 4: Well. And I do want to say this because this

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Speaker 4: is a good respective shift that I tell a lot

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Speaker 4: of my clients. It's like, here's the deal. No one's

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Speaker 4: telling you to give less, because I know I've worked

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Speaker 4: with women for a long time and listen, they there

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00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 4: is an addiction to giving a lot. If you're going

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Speaker 4: to give at that level, totally cool, and you should

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Speaker 4: because you have a capacity for it. Just meet it

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Speaker 4: with the same amount of receiving for yourself so that

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Speaker 4: you can give. And I think sometimes when we have

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Speaker 4: the giving conversation or like fill your own cup first,

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Speaker 4: women are like I have people that I'm responsible for

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Speaker 4: and they feel like you're telling them to give less

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Speaker 4: and that message really does not drive with women.

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Speaker 2: So it's so interesting. That is a great point. I've

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Speaker 2: never thought about that.

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Speaker 4: I just think like own it, like give what you're

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Speaker 4: going to give, but build the capacity, which is the

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Speaker 4: work that I do to be able to receive what

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Speaker 4: you need to receive to stay so you can keep

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Speaker 4: the cycle of energy going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ah, that is good. Okay, Shauna.

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Speaker 2: If people want to keep up with you or work

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Speaker 2: with you, where would they find you.

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Speaker 4: I'm Shanna van Bogart everywhere, including my website, Instagram, and

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Speaker 4: then check out start pausing dot com.

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Speaker 2: Start pausing dot com. I will put that all into

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Speaker 2: description of the this podcast for you guys. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for yesterday, for today, for the photo read

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Speaker 2: all the things you guys, go get your photo red.

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating. I mean, she nailed me so hardcore, and

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Speaker 2: before you know it, I might be behind a mic

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Speaker 2: because that.

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Speaker 4: Was a part of I'm telling you it can I'm.

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Speaker 2: Behind a mic right now, but she kept saying, I

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Speaker 2: see you singing.

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Speaker 4: I still do. I'm like, there's something, there's something, even

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Speaker 4: if it's just for your private little like, there's something

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Speaker 4: about it for you. I'm telling you it has not

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Speaker 4: left me and I'm like, there's something there.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's hilarious because the listeners have also heard me

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Speaker 2: try to sing as a joke with my co host

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Speaker 2: on Fridays and it does not go well Shawna.

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Speaker 3: So we shall see.

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Speaker 2: But I will keep you guys posting on that singing again.

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Speaker 2: I will put all the Shana's info in the description

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Speaker 2: of this podcast co checker out. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for being here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson,

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Speaker 1: where we believe everyone has a little velvet in a

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