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Speaker 1: No? Well, let's be honest. Do you floss regularly? I don't.

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Speaker 2: So I ask all these important questions because today's episode

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Crimeless, the podcast that celebrates the amazing

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Speaker 2: creativity of the world's dumbest criminals while also reminding you

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Speaker 2: Found so many stories of people pretending to be dentists.

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Speaker 2: For the first time, you could earn your dds Doctor

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Speaker 2: So there were more than a thousand dental parlors in

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Speaker 2: His license was revoked in several states, and he was

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Speaker 1: Eight hours, twelve times. Holy shit, you might wander after

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Speaker 2: And social media is playing a big part in these

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Speaker 2: scam artists. They advertise low cost veneers, which are all

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Speaker 1: Yep? Do I have them? Or do I know about it?

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Speaker 2: You can use a crimeless PSA Veneer technicians don't exist.

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Speaker 2: It's not a real license you can Okay, there you go.

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Speaker 2: So venier must be put in by a license dentist

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Speaker 1: We had to get back here we go? I knew.

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Speaker 2: She applied veneers using nail glue. Okay, it's god fuck

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Speaker 2: fucking help man. I literally already don't like regular license

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Speaker 2: allowed to be doing this dentistry. I didn't know fake

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Speaker 1: I've lived in such a shielded world.

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Speaker 2: You didn't know how many people out there were getting

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Speaker 2: At least two clients suffered serious infections and disfigurements, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I gotta say, these veneer technicians turn out

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Speaker 1: A real dentist. It's not license not a real dentist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his victims complained of chipped and broken teeth, absesses, toothpain,

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Speaker 2: In a Facebook group called Get your Teeth Done cis

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Speaker 1: He messed my teeth up so.

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Speaker 2: Bad, which was how a whole group of people discovered

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Speaker 1: Oh man, after all, see the chat rooms do present

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Speaker 1: I'm pissed about the bridges, but to be honest, he

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Speaker 1: glass half empty. Guy, Josh, how many customers could you

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Speaker 1: That's kind of gross. It's kind of gross. But I

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Speaker 2: So this guy, Dylan, he faced one hundred and thirteen charges,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's add Rico. Yeah, yeah, I love it when

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Speaker 1: Rico's at it. He pleaded not guilty to all charges. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: burning question, why are the fake dentists kind of unstoppable?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Dent dun dun. Welcome back. Before we dive into

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Speaker 1: the fake dentist epidemic that's plaguing our nation, it's important

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Speaker 1: to point out that we're not the only country with

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Speaker 2: In twenty ten, the Italian Dentist Association found that one

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Speaker 1: Can I ask your question when they say nine out

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Speaker 1: of ten dentists agree, is that one dentist agree. Not?

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Speaker 1: Actually it would be ten out of ten, but one

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Speaker 1: but we did ask them, so we have to proceed

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Speaker 1: Italian dentist presents fake arm for vaccine to get pass

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Speaker 1: so doctor Guido Russo tried to trick nurses with a

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Speaker 1: Well it didn't work, Rory.

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Speaker 2: So I again our man who was a real dentist presumably,

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Speaker 2: A twenty two year old along with his mom and dad,

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Speaker 2: Huh So, if you guys ever looking for a side hustle,

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Speaker 1: You, it could be fun. Yeah, play some music, hire

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Speaker 1: a band to play while we're doing it, exactly. Put

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Speaker 1: eject cocaine into people. Yeah, do little coke, little nose

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Speaker 2: He attended the School of YouTube and learned to work

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Speaker 1: Miyah, I mean imagine one from a real dentist who

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Speaker 2: True, I'm terrified of root canals. And the family made

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Speaker 2: They faced a slew of charges operating in the legal business,

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Speaker 1: Okay, just let you know, Josh, for the sake of storytelling,

435
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 1: you really buried the lead with all the other stuff.

436
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: This family clearly is up to you. Oh oh, the

437
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 1: fake dentistry. But then also uh, weapons manufacturing, drug dealing,

438
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Speaker 1: dog fight organizing. They're running a cock fighting ring. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I have a feeling like the assault may just be

440
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Speaker 2: a charge for like you did root canals on people

441
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Speaker 2: that you weren't qualified for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would categorize that as assault, and.

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Speaker 2: The drug dealing was probably you're also not a doctor

444
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: and you're giving people anesthetics. That's yeah, I mean dangerous,

445
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: Like I mean you could kill somebody.

446
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: They could have killed somebody. Yeah, they did not.

447
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 2: Notably, there were no reports of complaints from patients in

448
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: this case, so maybe the kid was a dental savant. Yeah,

449
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 2: maybe the School of YouTube is an acceptable dental university.

450
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: But also keep in mind you're like, ah, the dentist

451
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: said it's good and they should know. I don't know.

452
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Speaker 2: The president of the Dental Chamber told the BBC that

453
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Speaker 2: there was an average of ten fake dentist cases a

454
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Speaker 2: year in the Czech Republic, so this is not definitely

455
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Speaker 2: not just our thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that feels good to know that everywhere's

457
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Speaker 1: kind of got to deal with this.

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Speaker 2: It's impossible to compare it to our fake dental crisis

459
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: because there's no database to track the sort of thing.

460
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: It falls on the individual states to respond to complaints,

461
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Speaker 2: investigate and charge the fakers, which is why you have

462
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Speaker 2: people who can get arrested in one state post bail

463
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Speaker 2: and start over in a different part of the country,

464
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Speaker 2: like the lady at the top who was arrested in

465
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Speaker 2: Las Vegas and then moved to Chicago. Yeah, sometimes you

466
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Speaker 2: don't even have to leave the state to skirt around

467
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Speaker 2: the laws, like non dentist Tom Elam in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: I believe we have a video.

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Speaker 3: The only billboard advertises for Denture Adventure on one side

470
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Speaker 3: and the seventh Street Laundry and Showers on the other.

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Speaker 3: The phone number is the same for both. That's just

472
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Speaker 3: the same guy, Tom Elam is running them out of

473
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Speaker 3: the same building.

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Speaker 1: We just make good venture.

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Speaker 3: Are you licensed to do that?

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be like stay of Arizona have.

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Speaker 3: It turns out he's right.

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Speaker 1: Were dental lab. We just make that prosthetic. Yeah, we

479
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: don't go into the mouth. We don't work in the mouth.

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Speaker 3: How are you trained to do this?

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Speaker 1: Well? I worked for a dentist for years in my twenties.

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Speaker 3: My father or I was againist in Arizona. That's enough.

483
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Speaker 3: Because the state doesn't regulate dental labs in their texts.

484
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 3: That means no one is checking Elam's criminal background. Arizona's

485
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Speaker 3: family investigates, finding police arrested him for selling meth out

486
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Speaker 3: of a laundromat in twenty fourteen. Elam also charged with

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Speaker 3: trafficking and stolen property and possession of drug paraphernalia.

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Speaker 1: All right, I just can I just say something? Sure?

489
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Speaker 1: All those dentures looked real good. You're repressed with his craftsmanship.

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Speaker 1: I think he actually would be licensed like he did.

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Speaker 1: Look like he knows his shit. There's just a small

492
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Speaker 1: problem of selling meth out of his laundromat. And look,

493
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: we all have a blemish on our permanent record somewhere.

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Speaker 1: His happens to be selling math out of a laundromat

495
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Speaker 1: and trafficking. The sign was also he needed to work

496
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Speaker 1: on his graphic design a little bit. I like, that's

497
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Speaker 1: what you were rubbing up against the typography.

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Speaker 2: Well, the teeth were hand painted, but you're like, when

499
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: I saw his actual handywork, you're right, that was pretty good.

500
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Speaker 2: But the teeth, the hand painted teeth on the sign,

501
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Speaker 2: I don't. I can't go to a dentist with hand

502
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Speaker 2: painted teeth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if it seems like you don't know what teeth

504
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Speaker 1: are supposed to look like.

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Speaker 2: Also when it's also a laundromat, I'm not super stoked on.

506
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Speaker 1: That, Like, yeah, you don't want your lab to be

507
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Speaker 1: in a laundromat.

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Speaker 2: I love that his qualifications according to him, or that

509
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Speaker 2: his father in law was a dentist. Yeah, I was

510
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 2: not a dentist, but my father in law was, Yeah,

511
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Speaker 2: I worked for a dentist in my twenties. My father

512
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: in law was a dentist. Oh all right, well yes,

513
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: by those standards, I'm qualified to run in the international

514
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Speaker 2: marketing department for various large tobacco companies.

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00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, my father in law's job. What does yours do?

516
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: Real estate? So I could just sell commercial real estate? Oh,

517
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: you could do that kind of like that faith you

518
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Speaker 1: have in me.

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00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: Tom Elam admitted to the cameras there that he had

520
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: served time in jail, but not for what you think.

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00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: He said it was related to solar panels, but the

522
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: court records show that he was selling meth out of

523
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Speaker 2: his laundromat. He pleaded guilty and was given seven years probation.

524
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Speaker 2: But the math is beside the point when a concerned

525
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: local dentist alerted the Arizona Board of Dentists about some

526
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Speaker 2: shady practices at Densher Adventures.

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Speaker 1: Great name, by the way, Dentuer Adventure is fantastic. I agree.

528
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: I took points for the sign, but I like the name. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they said.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the information we were provided to not indicate the

531
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Speaker 2: lab technician was doing dentistry. Arizona Family the News organization

532
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Speaker 2: we were watching there grilled the executive director of the

533
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Speaker 2: state board. I believe we have a video of that too, Lane,

534
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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Do you think that the board is doing enough to

536
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Speaker 4: warn the public about those people?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the board would do to warn people.

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00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: As part of a new law, health boards are now

539
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Speaker 3: required to verify complaints of unlicensed providers and refer them

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Speaker 3: to county attorneys or the Attorney General's office. They're also

541
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Speaker 3: required to post the names of impostors on their websites,

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Speaker 3: but when we checked the Dental board website, no one

543
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: was listed. Is it something that you see value in

544
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: because it's it's sort of hidden on the website. You'd

545
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: have to almost know what you're looking for to find it.

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00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: I think it's like that on most websites. That guy

547
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 1: did not prepare at all for that interview. Why wouldn't

548
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: this guy want to protect the customers? Also, someone tell

549
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: the news organization, I don't need the sound effects of

550
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: the typing. I don't need the typing, and I don't

551
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: need the wooshes of the paper coming in. Who I mean?

552
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: That guy seemed like he had no idea what questions

553
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: they were and ask him. I was like, oh, you

554
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: and your gotcha questions?

555
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: That guy, this might go deeper than just the dentist.

556
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Speaker 1: That guy might be an impostor of someone who works

557
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: for the Council of People Who Protect I know. She's like, well,

558
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: so when I go to that page, there's nothing there,

559
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: just like most websites, right, And he's like, I think

560
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: all websites function as a as a scam, right, I

561
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: mean literally did not prepare at all for that.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I did not expect whoa with these gotcha

563
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: questions asking me?

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00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I didn't know you were coming at me

565
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: in this thing that you told me you'd be asking

566
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: me about. And she was like, could you not certify? Like,

567
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, why would we do that? Yeah.

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00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 2: So ultimately the County Attorney's office stepped in and Apache

569
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: County charged Tom with practicing dentistry without a license, which

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00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: is a class six felony. According to court records, he

571
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: took a plea deal ended up serving no jail time.

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00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: Maybe he can now focus on doing what he loves

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00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: the most, selling.

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Speaker 1: Meth out of his laundermat Yeah. I mean that's you're

575
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: gonna make more money doing that. I would think so. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This brings us to the final portion of the show

577
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: before we wrap up. I think Lane wants to check

578
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: our dentists credentials. We're gonna bleep out the real names.

579
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: We're gonna run your dentists through the state Dental Board website.

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00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 2: Do you know the name of your dentists?

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00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: No? Well, because I'm new to dentist fair, fair, fair.

582
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: I have gone to this dental practice that I've gone to,

583
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: and they have that dentist has left that practice, and

584
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: there's now a new dentist there. But it seems like

585
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: such a intense, massive setup that I would be shocked

586
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: to find it was a fake.

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00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: Do you have a name?

588
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know any of this.

589
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 4: I'm a former dentist.

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00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: Well do we could do mine? Okay, clamee, all right?

591
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 4: His name is good news guys, he's licensed.

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00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: All right, he is licensed as of nineteen ninety Okay, good, good, good,

593
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: all right.

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00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: So I'm safe, You're safe. Orrey has not picked a

595
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: dentist yet, so use this one.

596
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: I don't know my dentist name, which is not doesn't

597
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: bode well for me in this scenario. Let's look up

598
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: at you one yeah.

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00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 4: You it was yours. Okay, Oh, thank god she's also licensed.

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00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: All right, we're good. Twenty two years ago, two for two.

601
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: All right, Lane, you will put yours in?

602
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me see.

603
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: So there is a website? Is this our public service?

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00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: People can look this up on the internet.

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00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 4: Lane, Yeah, you can just go to your state's government website.

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00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: Maybe not Arizona's state dental board. Though. No, that guy

607
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: did not seem like he was gonna vet them very thoroughly.

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00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: I'd definitely been to a dentist that's not registered.

609
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: So oh, Lane's been to a fake dentist.

610
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 4: I'm like ninety percent sure he was not just draumatizing

611
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: for you.

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00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean did he give you cocaine?

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00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 4: No, but he like offered to Like He's like, I

614
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 4: don't need to drill that tooth, but I could if

615
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 4: you wanted me to.

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00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, absolutely not definitely what you

617
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: want in a medical professionals asking you for your opinion,

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00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: I could take that out if you want me to.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to necessarily.

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Speaker 2: After the break, our final segment, in which we take

621
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Speaker 2: to the streets of New York and perform dentistry ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Lanes Games Dental Edition.

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Speaker 4: We're counting our teeth.

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00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: This is crimeless.

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00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back to crime Less. Sorry, we've been

626
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: under the anesthesia performed by our fake dentists.

627
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: Lane, what do we have this week? Or? Rory? Actually,

628
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: what are we doing? I'm sorry, I'm groggy. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what we're doing. Wlayanne's Game Dental Edition.

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00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: What's a dentist's favorite time of day?

631
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Speaker 1: Tooth decay? I don't know.

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00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: Tooth thirty.

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00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: That's truth's tooth thirty.

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00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 4: You guys have never heard that one before?

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00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: No?

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00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: Oh okay, Well, in the spirit of that classic joke

637
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 4: that apparently is news to you guys, I've got a

638
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 4: game dedicated to historic moments in history. You just need

639
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 4: to tell me what time the event took place. For example,

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00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 4: the Hindenburg airship bursts into flames in May nineteen thirty seven,

641
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 4: but that was at seven twenty five pm local time.

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00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: You think we'll know these times? Maybe, Rory? How confident

643
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: are you in this? What? I'm just sorry? I'm what? Sorry?

644
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 4: What's the There's not really a huge tie in other

645
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 4: than two thirty.

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00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: Oh okay, the punchline being a time we have to know.

647
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: I guess what time of day these famous events took place?

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00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, first one, What time did the first plane

649
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 4: strike the Real Trade Center?

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Speaker 1: I cannot how can this be a game? Lane? Who

651
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: are you? Who have you become? Oh? I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to get any of these. But it

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Speaker 1: was like seven forty five pm, am am Okay? If

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Speaker 1: what if he didn't know that?

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Speaker 4: That'd be crazy?

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Speaker 1: It was eight six, like eleven thirty at night? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I knew it was early morning. Okay, Lane, really starting

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Speaker 1: us off with a heavy one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna work backwards. What time did the first

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Speaker 4: transatlantic wireless message? What time was that sent?

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Speaker 1: Here we go a little more g rated.

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Speaker 4: Nineteen oh one?

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Speaker 1: In nineteen oh one, that was sent at twelve fifty

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Speaker 1: fifty two pm.

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Speaker 4: It was at four pm, roy Rischolzer was twelve thirty pm.

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Speaker 1: Oh you were very close, Roy, I just felt it. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: What time did the Titanic hit the Iceberg?

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Speaker 1: Motherfucker? I just watched Titanic. It was dark, wasn't it?

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Speaker 1: It was nighttime. I'm gonna say nine thirty seven pm.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go eleven thirty.

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Speaker 4: Pm, eleven forty pm Josh.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're get We're getting so close to the Wow.

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Speaker 1: I just remember that Rose and Jack were, you know,

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Speaker 1: up on the They had just made love in a

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Speaker 1: in a car down in the storage facility. That's all

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Speaker 1: I know. He hadn't just drawn her like one of

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Speaker 1: his French girls. Well, he drew her and then they

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Speaker 1: went and had sex. Oh yeah, plays he drew her first. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: What time was John Lennon shot?

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Speaker 1: Oh, that was a my broad daylight. That was broad daylight.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go two fifteen. No, I'm gonna go eleven

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Speaker 1: twenty am. I think that's a good guess. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: eleven thirty.

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Speaker 4: Ten fifty pm.

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Speaker 1: What yeh? I thought it was during the day. What

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Speaker 1: was he doing in Central Park at night? Me? Is life? Well,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't in Central Park. It was at his the Dakota.

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Speaker 1: I think. Didn't that where he lived the Dakota.

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Speaker 4: It was outside of his apartment.

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Speaker 1: I think it was outside his like condo apartment, condo

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Speaker 1: placey lift. It's the spot, all right.

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Speaker 4: Both Prince Charles and Lady Diana Spencer and Prince William

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Speaker 4: and Kate are married at the same time.

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Speaker 1: High noon. Does it always have to be because of

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Speaker 1: the ceremony that it has to happen at one.

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Speaker 4: Pm eleven twenty am.

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Speaker 1: Why fuck? Fuck? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: That would have asking too much free to know why? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: No, I didn't go that deeper, all right. This one's

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Speaker 4: a tie into a previous episode. The Canoe Man, John

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Speaker 4: Darwin walks into a London police station and claims to

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Speaker 4: be a missing person with Amesia. The time did he

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Speaker 4: walk in?

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Speaker 1: Ten fifteen am, eight am.

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Speaker 4: Five thirty pm?

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Speaker 1: Fuck? Why would we know that? Lane?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Is that think that's the guy who played video games

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Speaker 1: in the airbnb? He was the one who Cane Man.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he was.

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Speaker 2: He faked his death. His wife cooperated in his fake death. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love that story. And he ran into his brother

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Speaker 2: and pretended not to recognize him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Yeah. We may be blurring all the stories together.

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Speaker 1: It's very possible.

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Speaker 4: Last one, don't look what time is it right now?

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Speaker 1: Where I am? It's twelve twenty here, it's almost one

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Speaker 1: fifty eight.

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Speaker 4: No, it's my time one o five, so that would

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Speaker 4: be here. Yeah, nice job you eyes.

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Speaker 1: Well, then you were closest Josh was closest It's true.

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