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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Wednesday, August sixth, and Joaquin Oliver

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Speaker 1: died in the Parkland school shooting in twenty eighteen. But joking,

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Speaker 1: Oliver just did a new interview this week. How is

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Speaker 1: that possible? Because of AI and I think Robes, as

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Speaker 1: you put it, people are flipping out expressing their anger, disgust, confusion,

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Speaker 1: even throwing around the word grotesque over this interview being done.

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Speaker 1: But if you dig into this story just a little

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Speaker 1: bit more, I think a lot of folks, Robes might

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Speaker 1: have a change of heart, or at least a change

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Speaker 1: of tune. And with that, folks, welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ and Robes. I think it's we

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Speaker 1: should declare now we're gonna try our damnedest to stay

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Speaker 1: dry eyed during this conversation in this episode because there

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Speaker 1: are some details about this. I know everybody's angry, we're

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Speaker 2: Gutting, absolutely because at the heart of this, this is

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Speaker 2: about a mother and a father who lost their seventeen

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Speaker 2: year old son on Valentine's Day and it was his

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Speaker 2: twenty It would have been his twenty fifth birthday when

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Speaker 2: this interview took place, and you can't help but imagine

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Speaker 2: what that pain and that loss must feel like, and

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Speaker 2: the desperate feelings of this family of wanting to keep

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Speaker 2: their son's memory alive and his messaging in people's hearts,

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Speaker 2: and wanting to create some sort of awareness beyond what

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Speaker 2: we've already heard, because yes, the drumbeat has been going

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Speaker 2: on and on and on for years now about stopping

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Speaker 2: school shootings and if they continue to happen. So there's

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Speaker 2: passion and there's love and there's grief, and it's all

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Speaker 1: But it came with an immediate I think backlash. I

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Speaker 1: don't oftentimes like using that word because I think oftentimes

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Speaker 1: some publications would just pluck out some of the most

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Speaker 1: negative things people are saying online. This is one that

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Speaker 1: is getting attention not just of people commenting online, but

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Speaker 1: folks in the news industry and from the highest levels

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Speaker 1: and points and respected areas of the news industry questioning

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Speaker 1: why this should be done. So we should explain, first

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Speaker 1: of all, who did it. This is somebody that people

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Speaker 2: Yes, former CNN broadcaster anchored Jim Acosta. He was known

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Speaker 2: Jim Acosta a well known journalist in just about any circle.

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Speaker 2: But he has gone off on his own. Now. He

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Speaker 2: What is it, a subscription, that's what they call it.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of folks who have left mainstream media

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Speaker 2: a lot of folks pointed to Jim Acosta conducting this

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Speaker 2: interview this week as simply a stunt, that it was

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Speaker 2: horrific journalism because he wasn't actually interviewing a person. He

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Speaker 2: wasn't actually interviewing someone who had gone through the Parkland

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Speaker 1: So Joaquin, well a reminder here that shooting in twenty

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Speaker 2: Yes, and what has been done almost nothing. I mean

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Speaker 2: we saw that obviously in some of the And again,

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Speaker 2: We're not trying to compare school shootings to one another,

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Speaker 1: So his family, his parents obviously have been very active.

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Speaker 1: I mean his dad, I saw some no He even

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Speaker 1: So you brought this to my attention. Earlier, I didn't

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Speaker 1: So he comes on, he starts this way, today is

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Speaker 1: my first guest. Now, even that got my attention when

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Speaker 1: And then I hear that. And then he goes on

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Speaker 1: to say Joaqui and Oliver died in the Parkland shooting,

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Speaker 1: but his parents have created an AI version of their

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Speaker 1: son to deliver a powerful message on gun violence. Now,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people initially just saw the interview, or

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Speaker 1: do you think robes people who? Do you think that

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Speaker 1: changes in some way? How one might feel about because

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Speaker 1: so much of the attention and anger was directed specifically

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Speaker 2: And I do believe that no one, no one is

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Speaker 2: but they are faulting Jim Acosta for making a bad decision,

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Speaker 2: a bad journalism decision to go ahead and promote it,

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Speaker 2: It just felt sensational and obviously false in a way

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Speaker 1: W would anybody do this? But the family says, what

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Speaker 1: the idea, and to advocate continue to advocate for gun control. So,

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Speaker 1: according to Jim Acosta, Manny Oliver, the kid's dad, who

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Speaker 1: That's a difficult one. You can make a journalistic decision

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Speaker 2: Jim Acosta said, of course, I took him up on

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Speaker 2: And for those of you who haven't watched the interview,

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Speaker 2: can understand saying sure, let's try this, let's see what happens.

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Speaker 2: But upon actually seeing the interview, I don't know how

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Speaker 2: the focus is now not on gun control, It's on

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Speaker 2: maybe even more about just the uncomfortableness it is so

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Speaker 1: And we should tell you as well what the interview

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Speaker 1: He's wearing a skull cap and has a very emotionless

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Speaker 2: He looks robotic, he sounds robotic. His mouth didn't move

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Speaker 1: So they explained the family that this AI version of

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Speaker 2: Right, So his writings. They found a lot of the

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Speaker 2: They really tried to get as close to their son

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Speaker 1: We should be. It is robotic. This is not even

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Speaker 1: was pretty swift, Robes. You actually have looked at more

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Speaker 1: of paraphrasing some things with somebody called it the puppet show.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they said it was a macabre public sorry puppet show.

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Speaker 2: And many people also just said it was just disturbing.

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Speaker 1: And again, I guess it's the idea of bringing somebody

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Speaker 1: But the dad made clear, Robes, because he talked to

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Speaker 1: Jim Acosta after this. He made clear, we are not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm just saying. And there are real concerns

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Speaker 2: The whole point was to raise awareness about gun control

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Speaker 2: There's nothing new or nothing extraordinary or nothing emotional that

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Speaker 1: Let me again, it's a dip. Look, we were talking

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Speaker 1: It is. It's terrifying, Lord Rogues, how many we could

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Speaker 1: That's what we should come down. We should stop trying

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Speaker 1: this is just another example I always zoobes is just

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Speaker 1: when you know a lot of people are reacting, it's

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Speaker 1: okay to react. We have an opinion and reacted as

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Speaker 1: human beings to it. That's okay. But before you just

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Speaker 1: into it for a second, and you'll find somewhere in

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Speaker 1: there there is some humanity, and there is some reasoning.

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Speaker 1: There is some logic that maybe deserves your attention and

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Speaker 1: maybe deserves You've given people a fucking break.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone was so quick to jump on Jimcosta that

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Speaker 2: he was doing this for his own personal gain, for

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Speaker 2: a publicity stunt, to increase his followers and downloads and

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Speaker 2: all of that, And there could have been an element

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Speaker 2: to some of that, yeah, that he was like, this

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Speaker 2: is an opportunity to grow my business now that I'm

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Speaker 2: no longer with a mainstream network, we understand that, we

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Speaker 2: get that, but it doesn't mean that was his sole motivation,

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't mean there wasn't something really powerful and

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Speaker 2: something really good behind it, including and sincere exactly where

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Speaker 2: you have a grieving set of parents who are desperate

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Speaker 2: to have their son's voice still matter and still count

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Speaker 2: and still have an impact on the world. And with that,

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Speaker 2: we want to thank you all for listening to us.

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Speaker 2: I'm Amy Robach alongside my partner t J. Holmes. We

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Speaker 2: hope you have a wonderful day. Everybody,