1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're alternating 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: cheers and tears as we celebrate Pagebeckers going out a champ, 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Congrats to Yukon. So much more on the NCAA title 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: game tomorrow, but on today's show, you'll hear from two 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: of the greatest to ever do it, Diana Tarassi and 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: Sue Bird. It's a very special episode of Good Game 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: with Sarah Spain that took place Saturday afternoon at the 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: Tampa Convention Center in front of a live audience at Tourneytown, 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: presented by Capitol One. We talked about the state of 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: the women's game, the things that the two learned from 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: each other, DT's post retirement plans, and a very special 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: gift we purchased for Diana to honor her career. 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: It's all coming up right after this joining me now. 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: She's one of the greatest tubers of all time, a 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: four time WNBA Champ, a thirteen time WNBA All Star, 16 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: five time Olympic gold medalist, two time NCAA champion at Yukon, 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: including a perfect thirty nine and oh season already a 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: multi hyphenate post retirement, the only WNBA player to win 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: titles in three different decades. She's got her own Barbie 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: doll and today she was officially inducted into the Hall 21 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: of Fame. It's super bird. I asked her for an 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: autograph backstage. She said, it's five hundred dollars more now 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: because she writes hof on it what the joining her? 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: She's arguably the greatest of all time, the leading scorer 25 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: in WNBA history, the first basketball player to win six 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: Olympic gold medals, five time WNBA scoring champion, fourteen time 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: All WNBA Selection League MVP. In two thousand and nine, 28 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: she led the Mercury to three WNBA titles and led 29 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: the Yukon Huskies to three straight national titles, including that 30 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: thirty nine to no undefeated season. It's the White Mamba, 31 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Diana Tarassi, Oh my gosh, I've dreamed of this day 32 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: in my mind. This is like Voltron getting together. But 33 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: you guys are like, who's this. I'm just I'm so excited. 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: And I was watching a little bit of The Burden 35 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: Taroste Show last night. I was at the game, so 36 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't watch, but I watched a little. Today we 37 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: got a bolo tie, we got a sash and a Tiara, 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: we got some big SIPs out of those. 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: Out of those yeties. We don't have yeties today or 40 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 2: what was in them. We won't ask what was in them. 41 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: We don't have them. 42 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: But I'd like you to get as loose as you did. 43 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: So we're gonna start with a little game if you 44 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: look beneath you. They made fancy paddles, but I prefer 45 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: the ones I made. 46 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: Show the crowd. We've got some classic Oh how old 47 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: are you? 48 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: I'm I think I'm in high school here, I'm like 49 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: a junior in high school. 50 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 4: I'm definitely a freshman in high school. Yeah, the braces, 51 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 4: the braces for four years. 52 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 5: In high school. Thanks mom. 53 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: Oh wow, good timing, mom. 54 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 5: Thanks. 55 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, your teeth are great though, so thanks mom. 56 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna do a little more likely too, and 57 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna hold up the face that is more likely 58 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: to do something yours or your friends. 59 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: Number one, more likely to talk back to a coach. 60 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: We got to Diana's on that one. That one's easy. 61 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: More likely to get in a fight with a teammate. 62 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 5: I see where this is going. I see where this 63 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 5: is going. 64 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 2: More likely to take over the locker room playlist. 65 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 5: Okay, we got Sue. 66 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: Finally, Susan in the game. 67 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: More likely to have one too many adult beverages at 68 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: a postgame celebration. 69 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 4: Oh, don't let her fool you, don't let her full. 70 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 6: You won't know it. That's the point. 71 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 4: Until you'll know it until the next morning. 72 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 6: You'll know it until the. 73 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 5: Next morning when she doesn't remember anything. 74 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my stuff. That's my stuff too. You weren't 75 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: even drunk last night. I'm like, oh, I don't recall 76 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: doing that, but I'm glad I kept it together back 77 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: in the day. 78 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: Of course, not not recently now, not like tomorrow or tonight. 79 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: More likely to competently have a basic conversation with someone 80 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: in Russian. 81 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: We heard a little Russian on the show last night. 82 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: Did you all hear that? When they shouted out alexandrovtchkin. 83 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 6: The funny thing was, I yelled out, I want to 84 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 6: go home. But nobody's going. 85 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: To know that. 86 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 4: It was like if I was like, thank you, please hello, 87 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 4: but it sounded I bought it. 88 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 5: I bought it. 89 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: I thought you both were saying something. 90 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: We said we had good job, we said, like just 91 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: good in general. 92 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 6: I yelled out, I want to go home. It just 93 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 6: came to me. 94 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 5: I said, I understand a little bit of Russian. 95 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: To shoot perfect uh and the final most important one uh, 96 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: most likely to win a bowling matchup. 97 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 6: Oh, don't even I don't even know. 98 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 5: I don't Okay, yeah, but we know that score. 99 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: Now what are we? What are we rolling over here? 100 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 6: I break two hundred? 101 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 5: Easy? 102 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: What did you? 103 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 5: I've never seen you bowled too? 104 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: Every time we played, I've in Moscow. 105 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, well yes, every time. 106 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: That's Russian math though, Yeah, I know, divided by Russians 107 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: love bowling, remember you talking about it, love bowling. 108 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 5: I'm in like the hundreds. 109 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: So you just admitted that she's better than you. 110 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 5: Absolutely, I get bored. Its growth. 111 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: That's growth from all of us. I'm trying to turn. 112 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 4: And you leave here retirement, a softer gentler tes or 113 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 4: grace I believe they call it these days. 114 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: We're gonna get into that. 115 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: Actually, by now, you too are sort of a forever 116 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: linked to duo. But it all had to start somewhere, 117 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: and it started when a young Sue welcomed to young 118 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: Diana to the Yukon campus. You picked her up from 119 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: coach Geno's house during her recruiting visit. She hopped into 120 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 1: your ninety three Toyota Camry. 121 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: You still drive that right? Oh? 122 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, vintage, they call it vintage. 123 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: She put a CD in there. She remember any of 124 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: the songs from the CD? 125 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 3: Do you remember Wanna Be a balla shot Collar. 126 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 5: On the Camela? Yeah? 127 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 6: It was a lot of West Coast stuff. 128 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. Soon knew how to like make sure I fell 129 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 5: at home very quickly. 130 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she said on her show, she was like, listen, 131 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: whatever this trash she puts on. I have to be like, oh, 132 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: this is great because we want her to come here. 133 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: And then she was like, oh bangers, she. 134 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 6: Let us keep the CD. I was like, this kid's great, 135 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 6: this kid's great. 136 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: Oh generous. Do you're famous for your fiery play? 137 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Obviously retired as the all time leader in personal fouls 138 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: seventeen hundred and twenty. 139 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 6: Is that true? 140 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 2: Yes? 141 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow going also the all time leader in technical fouls. 142 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 143 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my kind of player. You had more than 144 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty. That's twice as many as the 145 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: next person. 146 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: Keep it going, Keep it going there. 147 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: So I guess I'm surprised to find that you have 148 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: rarely been ejected. 149 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 2: So I'm twice, only twice. 150 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm curious what happens between the first technical 151 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: and the second and why can't you just harness that 152 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: self control before the first technical. 153 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 4: Well, actually it's a lot of self control to be 154 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 4: able to do that, to be able to get that 155 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 4: second technical knowing the night's over. But you know, the beauty, 156 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 4: the beautiful thing about it is every time I've gotten ejected, 157 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 4: my teammates always been like, thank you, we needed that. 158 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 4: We when we needed that tonight. That's gonna propel us 159 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 4: for the next ten games. So you know, it was 160 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 4: more of a stand advice and I was willing to 161 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 4: take all the bullets. 162 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: According to Sue, both times you got ejected, you sent 163 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: her a selfie from the locker room while the game 164 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: was still going. 165 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 6: I found it. 166 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: You found it. 167 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 6: I found it. 168 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. 169 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 6: I might save it though, but I found it. 170 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: I'll just okay, I want to see. 171 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: So you're just sitting in the locker room waiting for 172 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: the game to be over, like, I. 173 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: Guess, I'll send Sue a message. 174 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 5: Well, so one time I just was eating powdered donuts. 175 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: Face face, Yeah. 176 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 5: That's an injection. 177 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: So proud of yourself now I'm. 178 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,679 Speaker 5: Just like, look what I did top that? Sup? 179 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: We tell us about the donuts. 180 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 5: I was just powdered sugar. 181 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 4: Donuts, you know that big pack you get for your kids, 182 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 4: the little little donut holes. 183 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 5: So I think we ended up winning the game. 184 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 6: Thank you, you mean you're welcome? 185 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 4: And yeah I had How does sugar all over me 186 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: on my shooting shirt of those days? 187 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: Good finish ladies, well done. 188 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: Uh did you also have security send you a gin 189 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: and tonic? 190 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 5: Yes? 191 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 4: Security knows me really well. They sent me a gent tonic. 192 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 4: I was hanging out chilling. 193 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 5: I think we lost that game though. 194 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: Nothing like coming back after a hard fought game and 195 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: seeing your teammate that copped out early, drinking a G 196 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: and T eating donuts. 197 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: That's a leader. That's a leader right there. 198 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: There's different ways of lead, sou there there are there. 199 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: Some break their nose and keep it going. Some clock 200 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: out early. Uh. 201 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: Do I do have to ask, though? 202 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: You know, for all that fiery on court performance that 203 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: we see, you are known as much for your warmth 204 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: and generosity off the court. Sue told the SPN, you 205 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: make people feel like a thousand bucks. How do you 206 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: explain the difference between off court Diana and on court. 207 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 5: Well, I mean I think that is on court too, 208 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 5: you know, you. 209 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 6: Just not opposing. 210 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 4: I think it's just a lot of it is the 211 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 4: way I was brought up, something as simple as we 212 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 4: always had dinner together as a family every single night, 213 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 4: no matter how busy my parents were, no matter how 214 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 4: busy my sister was. And uh, you know that upbringing 215 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 4: always translated onto whatever team I was on, right, that 216 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 4: was my family. 217 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 5: You know, that team, that unit was my family. And 218 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 5: I cheated him like my sisters every single season. 219 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 4: And uh, you know, I think that's just as important 220 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 4: then how good you are actually playing basketball. 221 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 5: At the end of the day, it's how can you 222 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 5: uplift the next person? How can you make them better? 223 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 4: How can you make them feel a part of a team, 224 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 4: Whether you play forty minutes, whether you don't play, it's 225 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 4: all just as important. 226 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: More with Sue Bird and Dinah Tarrassi coming up after 227 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: this break. Sue, you recently mentioned on your podcast A 228 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: Touch More with your fiance Megan Rapino Everyone Downloaded Subscribe 229 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: that you and Dinah talked about teaming up in the 230 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: WNBA over a bunch of red wine. You even reached 231 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: out to your agents to see if you could make 232 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: it work, but ultimately neither of you ended up wanting 233 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: to leave your respective teams. Can you talk about why 234 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: you think you both remained so loyal to the teams 235 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: that drafted you and stuck there for your whole career? 236 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: Probably something about like childhood trauma. That's where all that 237 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 3: loyalty lives. 238 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 6: Child Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm not really sure. It was more. 239 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: Listen, the night was going, the wine or whatever we 240 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: were drinking was flowing, and as it flowed, it started 241 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: to feel real. We're like, yeah, let's game this out, 242 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: let's do this. And then I would say, for me, 243 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: the minute I woke up the next day, it was like, yeah, 244 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: I don't want to leave Seattle, And like I said, 245 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: I'm not going to Phoenix and I knew she wasn't coming. 246 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 6: I think what it was was, at that. 247 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: Point we'd already created a little bit of a legacy 248 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: in our cities, right, a little bit of a connection. 249 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: You know. 250 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 3: If I had to guess the year again, I'm not 251 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: really sure, Like twenty twelve we had one in these cities, 252 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: and I ultimately, for me, I think there's something so 253 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 3: special about staying with the same team for your whole career. 254 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 3: So even though we like had this one night where 255 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 3: we played it out we were going to the New 256 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 3: York Liberty, We're going to bring them their first championship, 257 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: the reality was we were already living a version of 258 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 3: our own dream. 259 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 4: And not only that, we were probably signed a three 260 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 4: year deals and being coored five times. Like you know, 261 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 4: the mobility to be able to go to a different 262 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 4: team really wasn't there in twenty twelve. You were kind 263 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 4: of stuck wherever you were drafted. And we were fortunate 264 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 4: enough to be in two great franchises, two great cities, 265 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 4: And like Sue said, there's nothing like being on a 266 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 4: team for twenty years knowing that you know you were 267 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: there through the highs, the lows, through the years when 268 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: you won championships, didn't make the playoffs. There is a 269 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 4: sense of ownership, obviously, with Sue being an owner. 270 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 5: Literally literally. 271 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 4: That when you play in one place for a long 272 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 4: long time, there are these relationships that mean more than 273 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 4: a banner. 274 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: It means a lot to fans, and I think it's 275 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 1: unfair for fans to demy and that a player is 276 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: stay in a bad situation. But I also think I 277 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: understand why they care so much about the players that 278 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: do stick around through the highs and lows. 279 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 2: You mentioned though, if. 280 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: You were starting your career now, contracts are different, freedom 281 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: to move is different. It is much less common for 282 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: a player to stay in the same place. 283 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: Do you think you would have moved now? 284 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 5: Maybe? 285 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 4: You know, the landscape is just so different now of 286 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 4: how these young kids. 287 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 5: See their professional career. 288 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 4: The rules that they're playing by are much different than 289 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 4: when we graduated from college. And you know, I think 290 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 4: it's amazing that throughout your career you get to really 291 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: dictate how you want it to be, where you want 292 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 4: to play, and there is power. Then I think that's 293 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: going to be one of the strong suits of the 294 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 4: WNBA going forward. 295 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: So current players will never know what it was like 296 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: for the ogs. They've got charter flights, they've got beautiful 297 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: new practice facilities, they've got what soon to be expected 298 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: a very player friendly CBA Diana. Which part of the 299 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: new look w NBA Are you most jealous of that 300 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: players are starting right now with? 301 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, obviously the travel has been something we 302 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 4: always talked about. You know, when you're on a road trip, 303 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 4: and you know you're flying commercial, getting to cities super early, 304 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 4: getting to the airport. 305 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 5: That just puts an extra. 306 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 4: Strain mentally physically on you know, the way you perform, 307 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 4: which is the most important thing. 308 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 5: You know, you won't want to have the best product. 309 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 4: Do you want to feel the best you can physically 310 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 4: to be able to perform at your highest level. You know, 311 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 4: I got to experience a charter for the last two years. 312 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: It makes a difference in none of that. 313 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 5: We played that. We we chartered for. 314 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 4: A long time overseas, so it is something that for 315 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 4: some of us wasn't new in college. 316 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 5: These kids are chartering. I think that piece has really 317 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 5: changed the game. 318 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 3: I do want to add one thing though, Okay, let's 319 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep it real. No way would I never 320 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: not choose chartering. Right if it's on the table commercial, 321 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: I'm choosing chartering. But something that's interesting and something I 322 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: really enjoyed about my WNBA experience was because we flew commercial, 323 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 3: we would play on Thursday night and we had to 324 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: stay over and you weren't able to leave till Friday, 325 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: and so you were always able to go to dinner 326 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: with your friends on the other team. You're always able 327 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: to have these I guess social experiences that none of 328 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 3: these players, this new generation will ever have, and it 329 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: really does create I don't know, memories, bonds with your 330 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 3: own team, but also with your friends on other teams, 331 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: and that to me is a little sad, not sad 332 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 3: enough where I'm giving up charters, but it is a 333 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: little sad that they're going to. 334 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 6: Miss out on that. 335 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: Well, I want to ask you about that. 336 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: I just recently had on my show, Tara Vandervere and 337 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: Muffett McGrath. They came on together to talk about their 338 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: battles during the tournament and getting more women into coaching, 339 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: and we kind of started talking about how they are 340 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: bittersweet about some of the changes to the game. They 341 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: both wonder if players love the game as much as 342 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: they used to because it is more complicated when you're 343 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: looking for nil payments, when you can transfer to a 344 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: school that's offering you more in the middle of your career. 345 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: And they definitely had some pretty strong feelings about the 346 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: love of the game being gone and they're being something 347 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: really special about the game when y'all started. When you 348 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: look at all I mean, we want players to get paid. 349 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: We want them to have great professional opportunities. We want 350 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: nil money, we want the ability to move if you're 351 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: not in a good situation. But is there something to 352 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: be said about not working through adversity, not fighting your 353 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: way into a starting lineup, or even something Muffett said, 354 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: which is like they should have to do something before 355 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: they get paid. They're getting paid for like community service now, 356 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: and they're gonna leave school and be like, oh no, 357 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: I don't get one hundred thousand dollars to sit here. 358 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 6: I am a little torn. 359 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: I do think there's something about grinding it out, playing 360 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 3: through the adversity, all that stuff. I think eventually what 361 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 3: will happen is there might be a little bit of 362 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 3: a lull in this generation where they did just get paid. Sidebar, 363 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: something we've always wanted is to be paid on potential. 364 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: Men are always paid on their potential. We've always had 365 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 3: to prove it eighteen thousand times and then maybe get paid. 366 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 6: So it's hard for me to poo poo on it. 367 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 3: But at the same time, there might be a little 368 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: bit of a lull where, you know, maybe players don't 369 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: take their quote unquote craft as seriously because they are 370 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: just getting paid right, But eventually, listen, college for the 371 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: last couple of years has been five years, it's usually four. 372 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 3: And the reality is, if you're a good player that's 373 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 3: going to go on to the WNBA, you're going to 374 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: be in that league for the next twenty years if 375 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 3: you're lucky, maybe fifteen point being. 376 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 6: The proof's in the pudding at that level. 377 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 3: If you can't perform, if you can't play well a, 378 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: you won't get paid. You won't get the marketing deals. 379 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: You have to make that the main thing. So while 380 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: this generation is maybe getting paid before they've quote unquote 381 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: done anything, eventually they're going to figure out, oh, like, 382 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: I need to make sure basketball is my top priority. 383 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: And then the generation right behind them will have learned 384 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: from that, will maybe have learned from those missteps in 385 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: their college career where maybe they didn't take it, you know, 386 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: or have that love and take it as seriously. 387 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, everything SEUs said is spot on. 388 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 4: I mean, it's a different landscape for these college coaches, 389 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 4: isn't it. 390 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 5: And they don't like it. 391 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 4: It's easy when this coaches get these big deals and 392 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 4: you know they're at a school. 393 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 5: For two years. 394 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 4: Oh hey, I'm gonna leave see you guys later, and 395 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 4: then you leave, you know, your upcoming class with a 396 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 4: new coach. They like that, though, don't they They don't 397 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 4: like the new landscape women's basketball. 398 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 5: And like Sue said, men. 399 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 4: Get paid on potential all the time and there is 400 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 4: a balance and maybe that balance. 401 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 5: Isn't there yet, but they're working through all that. I mean, 402 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 5: I remember in. 403 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 4: College I used to get a free car wash and 404 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 4: it was like the biggest deal ever. 405 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 5: I'm like, it's just a car wash. He didn't let 406 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 5: me pay Actutra benefits. 407 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: I feel like maybe the statute of limitations isn't over. 408 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: You might have to go back. 409 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 6: I think she just told on herself. 410 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: Did you also get with your bagel? Because that's a 411 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: violation whatever. 412 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 5: There's a statue of limitation. 413 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 4: I think twenty years later, I'm stick good. 414 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: You guys spent so many years playing together in the 415 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: States in Russia friends, Sue, what did you learn from 416 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: Diana man. 417 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: I learned how to make an afagato folgatto tip top dessert. 418 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 6: No, I think with d it's Scott. 419 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: How do I pick one thing? The whole idea of 420 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 3: somebody loving what they do and really dedicating themselves to 421 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 3: being great, but not having that only be their north star. 422 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 3: It wasn't like d you went to the gym every 423 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 3: day like I have to be the best player in 424 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 3: the world. 425 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 6: It existed as like what the goal was. But she 426 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 6: she really. 427 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 3: Took care of the details and really took care I 428 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 3: mean we already talked about her relationship with her teammates 429 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: later in both of our careers. 430 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 6: You have to learn to take care of your body. 431 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 5: It was. 432 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 3: There was so much about what she did in the details, 433 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 3: every single workout, every single moment. And then yeah, ultimately 434 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 3: you want to have the benefit of becoming the greatest 435 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: player ever, which she did. But I really enjoyed why 436 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 3: I got a court side seat to how she operated 437 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 3: every day. 438 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 6: Not just in the games, you know, not just what 439 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 6: you saw on TV. 440 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 3: Every single day, and she really, I mean you literally 441 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: showed up every single day to every single practice, every 442 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 3: single workout, every single you know, lifting session, everything, And 443 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 3: I really just had so much respect for that. 444 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: What'd you learn from Sue? 445 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 4: Wow, Sue makes a killer chicken pacata, you know. 446 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 5: I Mean I got to school. 447 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 4: In Connecticut and Sue was the first person I met, and. 448 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 5: There was something about Sue early early on. 449 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 4: That fascinated me, the way she can walk into a 450 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 4: room and command a presence from every single person in there. 451 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 4: You know, everyone always talks about being a great leader. 452 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 4: You know you need to be a leader, You need 453 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 4: to be a we need a leader. You know, you're 454 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 4: only a leader if people follow. And Sue has this 455 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 4: ability to lead in a way that makes everyone feel 456 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 4: a part of a group. And there's not many people 457 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 4: that are willing to put everything aside from their personal 458 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 4: benefit to make you better. And Sue's done that with 459 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 4: every single person, every single team she's played on. And 460 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 4: that skill you can't teach. And that's the skill that 461 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 4: she has and no one else has in the whole world. 462 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 2: That's really sweet. 463 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: I imagine Sue has some more lessons to teach you 464 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: about retirement. 465 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 2: Yes, she says, a little bit ahead of you. 466 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: Now, I know that neither of you will ever be 467 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: a true NARP a non athletic retired person. But once 468 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: you're retired, non athletic regular person is the normal term. 469 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: But once you're retired, you're as close to a NARP 470 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: as it gets. What is your advice too, What are 471 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: your tips for not being able to get out all 472 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: that passion and fire and competitiveness on the court. 473 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 3: Oof, that one's tough. But she does have kids, so 474 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: there's that. There's a little bit of different retirement. No, 475 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: I think actually, speaking of kids, I used to make 476 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 3: fun of. 477 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: My pregnant Wow, we would break some news on this show. 478 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 6: No, I used to not make fun of it a 479 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 6: bad way. 480 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: But with my sister when she started having kids, I 481 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 3: was like, what's with the schedule, Like why. 482 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 6: Can't my niece go to bed thirty minutes later? What's 483 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 6: the big deal? 484 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 3: And it wasn't until I retired where I was like, oh, 485 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: we actually need schedule, you need a routine. 486 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 6: And with sports, it just was naturally there. 487 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 3: Every single aspect of our life, even when we weren't. 488 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 6: In season, was somehow scheduled out. 489 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 3: I got to get up at this time because my 490 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: workouts at this time, so I got to make sure 491 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 3: I eat it this time, And then where am I 492 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 3: going to get lunch after? Let me plan that out 493 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 3: because I need my protein shake. And it was just 494 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: your entire existence was mapped out in a sense, and 495 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 3: when you retire, that is all gone. Now you do 496 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 3: have kids, you are on a little bit of a, Well, 497 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 3: they're not toddlers, but you aren't a little bit of 498 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: a kid's schedule. 499 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 6: But really the hardest part for me. 500 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: Was figuring that out because now you're making your own 501 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: schedule and there's a lot more downtime and quiet time 502 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: and we're not really used to that as athletes. So 503 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 3: just to find ways to not fill the time with 504 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: unnecessary things, but in a way that that makes you 505 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 3: feel like, I don't know, like you're accomplished in your day. 506 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Sue has always been pretty into. 507 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:32,479 Speaker 1: Sponsorships, commercials, TV appearances. You haven't necessarily I what are 508 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: you gonna do now? Are you gonna embrace the media 509 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: side and the TV side? 510 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 5: I have a. 511 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 4: Strict uber schedule every morning in afternoon that I was 512 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 4: sticking to, you know, I it's actually been pretty funny 513 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 4: where I'm more busy now than I was when I 514 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 4: actually had a real job. Now I just show up 515 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 4: and talk a lot of shit and everyone's like right, 516 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, cool, whatever, Like this is easy. 517 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 4: When before, like Sue said, it was get to the 518 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 4: jim at a and then you had that strict schedule 519 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 4: of like pilates, weights, training room, encore, extra shooting, like 520 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 4: there was that to hold on to. Where now there 521 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 4: are times when I'm sitting on the couch, like, boy, 522 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 4: I've been watching a lot of TV. 523 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 5: Let me go trim my bushes. 524 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 6: You know, if Bush isn't Phoenix. 525 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, my hedge game is strong. 526 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 4: And now I understand why people are so like addicted 527 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 4: to the like grass like I get it now, I 528 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 4: get it. But you know, I've had this incredible time 529 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 4: to really spend with Penny and the kids that in 530 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 4: the last four or five years just hasn't been there 531 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 4: because when you are in season, when you're on a team, 532 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 4: you're just so focused on your team, on your performance, 533 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: on getting ready for whether you're in season for the 534 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 4: next season, for the off season. So it's been really 535 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 4: nice to be present and appreciate what Penny's done for 536 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 4: the last five years and you know, keeping the household 537 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 4: going and the kids, they take up so much of 538 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 4: your time and it's such valuable time and to be 539 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 4: present that's probably been the best thing. 540 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: Are you gonna still get to use all those new facilities? 541 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: I imagine like you could give yourself a nice schedule 542 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: over there, getting your makeup done and workouts in and 543 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: sauna and everything else. 544 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 5: You know, it's funny. Once you're out, you're out. 545 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 6: What I don't have the key card for life? 546 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 5: Oh no, I mean I can go in whenever. 547 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: I've got a key card at multiple facilities and New 548 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: York some people. 549 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 4: Still gotta pay fees, club fees. No, you know what 550 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 4: it's since I've retired, I've been in the building once. Yeah, 551 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 4: you know, I think sometimes space is good and I 552 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 4: want to keep my space from the team to let 553 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 4: the new generation come in and put their own stamp 554 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 4: on it. And you know, when it's time to go 555 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 4: back and cheer them on, I'm gonna be part of 556 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 4: the X factor now. 557 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 5: Uh so I'll go back and be their number one fan. 558 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: Do you have aspirations to get into ownership or coaching 559 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: or front office? 560 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: What are you thinking about? No, rush, take your time, 561 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: but what are you thinking about? I think Sue. 562 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 4: Obviously we had this conversation on a touch more during 563 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 4: the pandemic which ran a little bit over, like three 564 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 4: hours over, and I think ownership is the one thing 565 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 4: that Sue and I have always had in our mind. 566 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 5: It's something that is when. 567 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 4: You get to this point, is not only do you 568 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 4: want to be at the table, you want to make decisions. 569 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 5: You know, for a long time. 570 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 4: We've had to be around people that have these positions 571 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 4: that you think are smarter than you, and they're not. 572 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 4: And I think we're both in a position where we 573 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 4: would like to use our expertise in our experience to 574 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 4: change the future of women's basketball. 575 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of guests on my show that 576 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: are former athletes that are trying to break into ownership 577 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: or front office space, and one of the things that 578 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: they harp on that I agree with so much, particularly 579 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: from my time in ownership with Chicago Red Stars, even 580 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: as a media not former athlete, but coming into a 581 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: space that has a lot of people that aren't always 582 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: working in sports day to day and not always people 583 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: that used to play. Hey, what they think the athlete 584 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: wants and what the athlete does want is completely different. 585 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: But also if they just communicated better with their athletes 586 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: about why they make certain choices, the athletes would better 587 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: understand financial restraints and everything else. So Sue, when you 588 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: think about the future of the w and maybe even 589 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: somewhere like Unrivaled or Athletes Unlimited, all these different leagues, 590 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: where do you see the biggest opportunity for those leagues 591 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: to link with players to figure out how to move 592 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: forward and do things right. 593 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 6: I mean you kind of said it. 594 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: Having the open lines of communication is really important. I 595 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 3: think what I started to learn towards the end of 596 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 3: my career and definitely in retirement is we're the experts. 597 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: It's just what it is. We lived this life. We 598 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: understand it. We understand every nuance, which is definitely something 599 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 3: that gets lost. I think you can watch a game, 600 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 3: you can even be in an ownership group and you're 601 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 3: on the sideline watching, but you're never going to really know. 602 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 3: So having the open line of communication, having people like myself, 603 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: like Diane, like I'm sure the athletes you spoke to 604 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 3: who lived it, have them in those rooms where they 605 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 3: can kind of bridge that gap. 606 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 6: I think that's really important. I do think. 607 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: The big opportunity in women's sports right now is in 608 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 3: the content world. 609 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 6: I think it's in the storytelling. 610 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: It continues to live there being able to have shoulder content. 611 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 3: It's amazing all these media deals we're seeing, and we're 612 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 3: gonna have so many more games on TV in the 613 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: WNBA this summer, more than I mean any of us 614 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 3: could have really imagined, but you got to have something 615 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 3: to accompany that. Right, what did we want for so long? 616 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 3: We wanted a studio show. Okay, now we finally have one. 617 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 3: Now we need to have, for lack of a better, 618 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 3: the equivalent of NBA today, Right, we need to have 619 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: the shoulder programming to tell the That's what it continues 620 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: to be. What gets people most invested is feeling connected 621 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 3: to these players. And again we're the experts. I always 622 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 3: use my big fat Greek wedding, the line from My 623 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 3: Big freck Greek wedding where the wife is like to 624 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 3: her daughter. 625 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 6: I forget the names. You know, the husband is the head, 626 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 6: but the wife, the wife is the neck. 627 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of people who are smart and 628 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: they have a head for things. 629 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 6: We're the neck. We can tell you where to look 630 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 6: and tell you how to tell these stories. 631 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: Okay, Danny, what do you see as something that the 632 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: leagues need to change or listen to players about going forward? 633 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 5: Where should we start? 634 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 4: I mean, look, I think the biggest change of the 635 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 4: way I've looked at the WNBA specifically in the last 636 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 4: maybe a couple months, is, you know, we can harp 637 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 4: on what the league was, you know, and we've experienced 638 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 4: that since day one. 639 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 5: And not only that, all the people that have made 640 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 5: the WNBA is so successful. 641 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 4: I mean you can go back to you know, it's 642 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 4: first decade and players, staff refs. 643 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 5: I mean this is it really takes a large community 644 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 5: of people who love the. 645 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 4: Game of basketball, who love is you know, specifically women's basketball, 646 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 4: and the future is really bright. Just to change is 647 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 4: in the last two three years that you know, I 648 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 4: think both Sue and I have we've seen that change 649 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 4: and we've been a part of it. It's really important 650 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 4: to know where we've been, but it's even more important 651 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 4: to know where we're going. And we have to have 652 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: people that really love the game, that understand the game 653 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 4: and positions that can make you know, change that you 654 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 4: can feel at a player level. And I would say 655 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 4: they've been doing that for the most part. 656 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: The W I think, is going to have to react 657 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: to unrivaled because a couple of things that they did 658 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: as a result of having Nafisa Collier and Brianna Stewart 659 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: creating that league in a way that they wanted to 660 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: see it. There are constraints for the W being connected 661 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: to the NBA and being bigger and travel and all 662 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: the other things. But I think there's some aspects of 663 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: unrivaled that they're gonna have to pay attention to. One 664 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: aspect I paid attention to was the one v one tournament. 665 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: You heard a lot of the guys saying too, I 666 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: can't believe they beat us to this. I can't believe 667 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 1: our ego has gotten the way of us doing this 668 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: because the men aren't sure they want to put their 669 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: names on the line like that. I don't want you 670 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: to think too hard about this, so I want you 671 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: to go with your gut. One women's basketball player from 672 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: history of all time at their peak, who would win 673 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: the all time one v one Cheryl miller. 674 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: Man, I just a couple names popped in my head. 675 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: Can I cheat first with a couple? Cappy Pondexter popped 676 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 3: in my head, Angel mccawtree popped in my head. 677 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 6: Those two I think would be really tough. 678 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: But what we learned by watching was size man, those 679 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 3: big still got the advantage. 680 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 6: They need to figure that out. The unicorns the rules 681 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 6: didn't help. 682 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 7: I didn't like that should make a host claw, MiG 683 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 7: a host claw. I mean, if you talk about like 684 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 7: the big bodyguards. The six foot she's like the og unicorn. 685 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, like the bigger. The bigger guards probably have the 686 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 5: biggest advantage. 687 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, because that is what we learned. 688 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: I thought that the bigs would get tired or they 689 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't have that first step, and instead they could adjust 690 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: quickly enough and their length absolutely killed the guards in 691 00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: those one be ones. 692 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 6: Do a full court the short shot clock you never was. 693 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: It was too fast, so it favored the bigs. It 694 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 3: didn't give the Smalls a chance. 695 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: We got to take a quick break more with Sue 696 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: and Diana after this. 697 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: All right, I have a surprise for Diana. I know 698 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: we've never met, so this was a real this one. 699 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 6: We surprised there a bunch last night. I'm not in 700 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 6: this one. This is all Sarah. 701 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: I hope you like it, and you're two people away, 702 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: so Sue can jump in if instead you feel like 703 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: punching me. 704 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: But it's a little retirement surprise. 705 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 5: Now. 706 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm a Chicago Sky fan from Chicago, and if you 707 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: all remember, back in twenty twenty one, the Sky won 708 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,479 Speaker 1: their first WNBA title against your Phoenix Mercury. You were 709 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: rightly frustrated and sad after the loss. You allegedly broke 710 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: a door in the sky locker room, and then the 711 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: guy brought said door on stage for their championship rally 712 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: in Grant Park, which was a very DT move in 713 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: my opinion. 714 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: I felt like you had to respect that a little. 715 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 5: I'm still in their head, Yeah, oh I was. 716 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 4: Their celebration tells you a lot about that team. Well played, 717 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 4: but I didn't do it. 718 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: So in honor of your retirement, as you ride off 719 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: into the sunset, I have purchased you a bench in 720 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: Door County, Wisconsin. It is at a park called Whitefish 721 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: Dune State Park, a lovely high traffic area with great 722 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: views of the sunset. There is a plaque on the 723 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: bench I bought that reads for d Tarrasi, who always 724 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: hated doors. Can I see a picture of this ere 725 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: It is not up yet. They're currently building the bench. 726 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 5: I love this. 727 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 2: There will be an elaborate ribbon cutting. 728 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: Ceremony and all listers of my show that go to 729 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: Door County and take a picture on the Diana Tarrassi bench, 730 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: we'll receive a special exclusive sticker that said I sat 731 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: on the d Tarasi bench and forever while people are 732 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: enjoying a sunset they'll think about the sunset of your 733 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: career and. 734 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 2: Doors well played, Sarah Spain. 735 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: We'll see if I can get Capital one to fund 736 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: a trip for you out to the bench for the 737 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: ribbon cutting. As long as I I Wisconsin, I have 738 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: to ask Door County. 739 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 6: Oh, Door County. 740 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Sue's finally catching at it. 741 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 5: Yep. 742 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 6: I was like, is there a sitcom in this, like 743 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 6: Shit's Creek? 744 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 2: No? 745 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: No, just her complicated relationship with Doors. Yes, before we go. 746 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: We close every show with a little good game, good 747 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: game fu. It's like a handshake line at the end 748 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: of a good game. There's always one person you would 749 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: not say good game too. You would say fu too. 750 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: So I'll get us started, and then I need some 751 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: fuse from you two. So good game, Diana, good game, Sue, 752 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: f you Doors? 753 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: Oh Doors? 754 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 3: I was like, Doris, No, no, Doris, Doris, Burt, we 755 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 3: love Doors, Burt. 756 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: If you end of the college hoop season, who you 757 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: want to f not like that phrasing, phrasing married Zero's 758 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: my bad? 759 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 5: So who you f youwing? Good game? Good game? 760 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 6: Tampa humidity. Although it's good for the curl the curly girlies. 761 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't look for the I pretend I'm not 762 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: curly and I straighten it and then it wants to 763 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: go back to its home. 764 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, good game, good game if you retirement jokes. 765 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: Oh there we go. All right, big round of applause 766 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: for these goats. Everyone, make your way to Door County 767 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: and visit the bench. I'll let you know when it's up. 768 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 5: Don't sit on me, don't sit on. 769 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: Good Game with Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports 770 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. 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