1 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites the podcast from the Action Network. 2 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: I am Chad Mellman, and today on the pod a 3 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: very important topic inspired by the Last Dance and who 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: better to have in the pod than ESPN Basketball reporter 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: extraordinaire and the most intense l A native you will 6 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: ever meet, Ramona Shelburne. Ramona, how you doing? What's up? Chad? 7 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm so glad to talk to you. I could chat 8 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: about the Last Dance stuff all day and we were 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: sharing some pretty good stories about Last Dance coming in. 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: I have loved every second of this series, and for you, 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: especially like knowing the players, knowing Pips so well, Scottie Pittpen, 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: knowing Fhilk Jackson so well. What are some of your 13 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: like high level takeaways from what you've been seeing so far? Well, 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: the first thing is, it's been nice for me to 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: see Phil Jackson sort of in all his glory again 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: and like what Phil Jackson was because I came of 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: age as a reporter in l A covering Phil Jackson's Lakers, right, 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: and you know, I got to know Phil the way 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: he was, um, but I never knew Phil in Chicago, 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: So even this is even a better version of Phil 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: than we got to know, because so much of what 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: Phil did in l A was just like managing Shack 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: and Kobe and you know, somehow running the Triangle or 24 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: whatever they ran back in those days wasn't really the 25 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: Triangle most of the time. Um. But I always kind 26 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: of like heard about what it was like in Chicago. 27 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: I watched it as a fan. I was like in 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: high school and college during those during those great Bulls teams. Um. 29 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: So to like see the original Phil is awesome to me. 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: And like previously, I mean I read Sacred Hoops when 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: I was in college, I read all of his you know, 32 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: his his books. Like I definitely knew of him, but 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: like to see how he interacted with that team and 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: kept them all together, it has been great. Um But 35 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, partly because like Phil Jackson kind of had 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: this weird detour where he went to New York and 37 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: was a failed executive and like everybody that that's always 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: what happens to people when they go to New York, Right, 39 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: It's like the sirens call of the Garden and everybody 40 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: thinks they can go in there, and really they just 41 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: crash up against the rocks to to to make a 42 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: Greek mythology analogy for you, um, because nobody can win 43 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: there um, And it's nice to see this is what 44 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: Phil does best. This is why Phil was so um 45 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: different as a coach. It's why he has eleven rings. 46 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: And also like, just can you imagine going into a 47 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: season where they've already decided they're going to replace you 48 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: and like everybody on the team and still keeping it 49 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: together and winning a championship like just no, Like Doc 50 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: Rivers and I were talking about it and he goes, 51 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that where he's at it. You could 52 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: go eight to and oh, you're still gonna get fired 53 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: at the end of the year. It's that is what's 54 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: That is what's most stunning to me, Like they went 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: into that last year and by the way, this is 56 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: not what the podcast is about for people. There's a 57 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: very specific topic I want to get to with Ramona. 58 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: But because you've a relationship to all these people, Um, 59 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: the fact that he went into that last year and 60 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: knew he wasn't gonna be coming back, and the frame 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: everything the way he did for everybody and keep them 62 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: from being bitter with each other and so bitter at 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: the organization that they just decided to say screw you 64 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: to everybody and go out and as they can be. 65 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: That's a testament to how good a coach he was. 66 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: It really is. And and and also another high level 67 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: takeawayich had like Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan were totally aligned. 68 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: Like a couple of those episodes, you can just see 69 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: how much they worked together, especially in managing Rodman. And 70 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: and you know when Phil says to you know, my 71 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: like Michael says, you know, Dennis wants a vacation and 72 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: He's like, what right, So do I right? But like 73 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: they were on the same page with things, like they 74 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: understood things like you know, Michael as competitive, as amazing 75 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: as he he was, Like he understood that Dennis needed 76 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: a little extra space and you had to treat him differently. Um, 77 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: and there's just not many coaches who would go for 78 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: that or players. That's also like the fact he was 79 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: willing to let Dennis rob they just go away for 80 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: three days. Like that is a level of intensity when 81 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: think about all the people that yeah, like remember the 82 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: round of Rousi stories that you had to do, Like 83 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: think about the people you have profiled in your life 84 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: and mask their level of intensity with what you've seen 85 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: from people like Robin or Michael or even Pip in 86 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: total in that moment, who who can sort of let 87 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: level up to that? So here's here's what I'm gonna 88 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: point out that I've just in watching this this documentary unfold. 89 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: They're all kind of the same though, Like they all 90 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: when they get super intense, right when they have this 91 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: intense run, they both they all, like Phil, Michael, Dennis, 92 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: anybody who want to name on that team, they all 93 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: need to escape. They don't deal with it by like 94 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: ratcheting up, like they find different ways of escaping that 95 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,679 Speaker 1: pressure somehow. So for Michael, it's gambling and it's golfing, 96 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: right that those are his two vices that he does. Um. 97 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: For Rod Minutes, I need to go party. I need 98 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: to escape, like I think you know at some point 99 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: where he's going to go be in wrestle media in 100 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: the middle of the finals, remember that coming up. Um, 101 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: you know a lot of some of it is that, 102 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: like this need to escape. For Phil, it's every summer 103 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: he used to just drive off to Montana and no 104 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: one would hear from him all summer. He had to 105 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: just be in his cabin and be away. And it's 106 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: like they because they're so intense and because everything they're 107 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: managing and dealing with internally is so um so heavy, 108 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: it's like they have to They all find their ways 109 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: of detoxing. Like they're very different ways, but I think 110 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: that's why they all understood each other. And for you, 111 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: it's disappearing into a hotel room for three days to 112 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: write a story. Yeah, like a block away from your house, 113 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,559 Speaker 1: a block away from my house. Yeah, I just I can't. 114 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: It's the only way I can really truly focus. So 115 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: I have something where especially when you're doing long form 116 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: and you like you're you have you know, hours and 117 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours of interviews and scenes and 118 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: things that you're trying to process and like really compartmentalized. 119 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: Like you know, there's this level of like I got 120 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: it something, Okay, can I turn off my phone? And 121 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: can I do this? And now I will say I 122 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: have not done it as much since I had a child. 123 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: I just kind of had to learn how to compartmentalize, 124 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: even though I was like really bad at it. But 125 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: I used to like go to hotels for like a 126 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: couple of nights, and I would like become noctocernel because 127 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: that's when my phone would stop ringing. So I would 128 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: just like work at night and like right until like 129 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: six seven in the morning, and then I would like 130 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: sleep until noon and then try to get back into 131 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: it again. But I just always even at the hotel, 132 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: it was like you could do some during the day, 133 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: but I mostly wrote at night. Writing of any kind. 134 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: If you're trying to do anything during the day, it 135 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: feels almost impossible. It's like, yeah, you need the darkness 136 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: and you need the solitude to really be all encompassing 137 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: to get anything of any value done. Yeah, And it's 138 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: like it's like this intense level of focus that you 139 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: need to like somehow get to. I used to like 140 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: pick up. I used to do a soundtrack for each story, 141 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: and it was like I was like kind of how 142 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: I would get into like whatever tone or feel of 143 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: a story that I wanted to be in. So like 144 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: it was like a badass story, I would have, you know, 145 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: like just pump up music if it was like a 146 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: sad story, if it was a long but you know, 147 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: like I just had And oftentimes even within that soundtrack, 148 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: I would just hit the same songs on UM over 149 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: and over. So I remember, like some Rhonda Rousey saw 150 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: like soundtracks were always like Lucinda Williams and maybe his staples. 151 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: It was always like that. That's so funny. I've been 152 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: in a massive woman of like country music ride during Corona. Yeah, 153 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: that works. It's keeping me going. A very special guest 154 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: calling in from Chicago, where he is running the sports 155 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: journalism program in Northwestern He also had been a long 156 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: time writer for The l A Times for the Chicago 157 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: Sun Times contributor now at ESPN, but also a long 158 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: time contributor across all fronts at ESPN. Another l A native, 159 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: j A Dande, How are you, Buddy good? Sorry? And 160 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: some technically but here we are. That's Les Zoom. You have, 161 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: you have me, you have Ramona. And there's a very 162 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: specific reason I wanted both of you on for this 163 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: podcast because Jay, you're obviously all over the last dance 164 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: and Ramona and I were just talking a little bit 165 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: about that, and it's amazing. But it reminded me that 166 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: as a kid growing up in Chicago in the eighties, 167 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: growing up in Highland Park, not far from where you 168 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: are you're you're teaching, I had Michael Jordan's at the 169 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: peak of his powers. I had Walter Payton at the 170 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: peak of his powers, and I had Ryan Sandberg at 171 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: the peak of his power. So I had three players 172 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: who are considered the greatest of all time, if not 173 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: at their position, but maybe in their sport. So I 174 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: asked on Twitter, like, give me your trios, three people 175 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: separate sports, same city at the same time, And the 176 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: responses I got were insane. From Baltimore, from Pittsburgh, from Detroit, 177 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: from San Francisco, from Houston, from Seattle, remote awaiting with 178 00:08:58,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: l A. Because I was having a hard time with 179 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: l A. And so I wanted, I'm having a hard 180 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: time with l A. Did you mean having a hard time? 181 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: Narrowing it down from exactly exactly do we go with 182 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: Magic Johnson or Kareem right, do we go with Fernando 183 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: or Kirk Gibson or Oral Hershiser, like we have a 184 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: lot to choose from during the during the early to 185 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: mid eighties and and late eighties, like the whole that's 186 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: my childhood. I was born in seventy nine. I kind 187 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: of grew up on the Showtime Lakers and Tommulas orders Dodgers, 188 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: who were pretty darn good in the eighties. Well, I agree, 189 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: like the eighties, like you guys helped me narrow it down. 190 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: But I will say for a while people were weighing 191 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: in with Kirk Gibson, and to me, a combination of 192 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: Kirk Gibson, Magic and Wayne Gretzky did not rise to 193 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: the level of Michael Jordan's, Walter Payton and Ryan Samberg. 194 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: Then you waited lordal Hrshiser, and I think Hershreiser to 195 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: me does come to the level of Ryan Sambrook. So Ramona, 196 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: make your case right now, and then Jay you can 197 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: follow up. Jay, You've got Chicago, like going back to 198 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: the sometimes and now being there, you can weigh in 199 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: specifically on some of these things. Okay, So I'm gonna 200 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: just point to the rings. So look, I feel like 201 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: our basketball basketball choices almost like cancel each other out 202 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: because we have the Showtime Lakers and then Jordan's Bulls. 203 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: I guess you could give a slight edge to Jordan 204 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: and the Bulls, right because they have six rings and 205 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: the Showtime Lakers got five. So that's a slight edge there. 206 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: But then we also have Magic and Kareem, so I 207 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: don't know, you just have Jordan's Like I don't know 208 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: if you want to put Vivien in there. But but 209 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: like it's I feel like like that's a push on basketball. Okay, 210 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: with l A in the eighties versus Chicago in the nineties, 211 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: do we agree with basketball canceled each other out? Look? 212 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: I feel like if you have Michael Jordan, you have 213 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, and that is above and beyond anything. And 214 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: if you have you got Magic. I can even toss 215 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: in James Worthy if you want to talk about all 216 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: time grades, but like James Worthy himself an episode one 217 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: of the Last Dance that Michael was only better than 218 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: him for twenty minutes. How many ten parts see has 219 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 1: been done about Karee? How many ten parts series have 220 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: been done about Magic Johnson? Well, Magic Johnson's about to 221 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: be in an HBO scripted series done by There wasn't 222 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan's Broadway play about Magic and Burt lived 223 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: but still Broadway. They played on Broadway. We're talking about Ramoni, 224 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: talking about Adam McKay, who's doing Jeff. Yeah, that's gonna 225 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: be an HBO series coming up. Still, I know, Okay, 226 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: let's just say that's the push, Okay, But when we 227 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: talk about baseball, the Dodgers won. Your Cubbies didn't win 228 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: during that time, and Oral horse Eizer started breaking some 229 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: all time records, Like Oral horsh Eyes, you're going on 230 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: the scoreless inning streak and winning those games in the playoffs. 231 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: Like the guy's name is Oral, and he had a 232 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: career like that, like and he looks on man to 233 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: have a career like that with a name like Oral, 234 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: with looking like like he's an accountant. I mean, doesn't 235 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: look like an accountant, you know. And he just went 236 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: out there and all time scoreless inning streak took the 237 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: Dodger to the to the World World Series at eight. 238 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: That's like an unbelievable, magical run. And like people give 239 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: Gibson all the credit for, you know, that home run 240 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: of Game one because it's this big moment and Bevin 241 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: Scully has an amazing call. But Oral Hirstives is the 242 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: reason they were there. I mean, that guy, they just 243 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: rode him. Now, that didn't happen as much back then, 244 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: but like now we've seen pictures get on a hot 245 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: streak like that, right, Like Madison bomb Gardner got on 246 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: a hot streak like that later for the Giants when 247 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: they would win. But the Dodgers with the World Series eight. 248 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: Like Ryan tamber as great as he is, you don't 249 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: have that team success to go with it. Kay, I 250 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: feel like you can be much more impartial on this kid. Yeah, 251 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm not impartial at all. I'm still doing my Gibson 252 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: my fist pump after the home run. I'm just doing it. 253 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: He's his Storio. He's like a sports historian. You know, 254 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: he's got a lot of credibility here. First you have 255 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: the wrong trio for Chicago, and then if you're gonna 256 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: go to the Chicago trio, you'd have to do the 257 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: one that was immortalized on the poster, which was labeled 258 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: class for All Seasons, and that was Jordan Peyton, Andre Dawson. 259 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: A picture of them all wearing tuxedos, um looking very classy. Um. 260 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: You know they all won Most Valuable Player Awards. Um. 261 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: I think Peyton won an MVP. If not, he should have. 262 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: They did. No, Uh, yeah they did. I mean Dawson 263 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: certainly did. So. So there's three m v ps. Um. 264 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: You know they're all in Chicago at this time. Um. 265 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: So I'd say that's the trio, and then to counter, 266 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: I'd say the peak in a lot of ways was 267 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: magic Gretzky, bo Jackson, and Bo Jackson certainly doesn't have 268 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: the numbers, you know, the Hall of Fame numbers in 269 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: either sport that he was in, but he played football 270 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles for the Raiders and certainly racked up, 271 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, a disproportionate share of highlights and was exciting. 272 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: And the fact was that there was a time where 273 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: you could see all three in a home uniform in 274 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: the same weekend in l a. And that was a 275 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: very unique aspect. And I actually caught two of them 276 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: the same day. There there was a direk from college 277 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: and I went to a Raider game in the afternoon 278 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: and went to a Laker game night Sunday. Obviously, um, 279 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: I could have caught the Kings, and I wish I had. 280 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: The Kings were home so I could have done it. 281 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: So the thing is it was possible to see all 282 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: three of those guys, who were, maybe, if not the 283 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: greatest to watch, the greatest to play their sports. Gretzky 284 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: probably has the best argument for that, But who better 285 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: to watch? You know, can you name three better people 286 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: to watch play their sports than those three? All were 287 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: available to see in a home uniform simultaneously, so I 288 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: agree take on bo Jackson, and a lot of people 289 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: on Twitter submitted a Gretzky magic bo Jackson combo. Before 290 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: we get to that, I do want to say I 291 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: thought a lot about Andre Dawson in Chicago, and ultimately 292 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: I decided on Ryan Samberg. And you probably know you 293 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: guys both probably know uh. Mark Silverman, who's known as 294 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: Sylvie for Waddle and Silver in Chicago back me and 295 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: said he would put Andre Dawson in this trio instead 296 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: of Ryan Samberg. I I settled on Ryan Samberg because 297 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: of what he did to transform a franchise that had 298 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: not won anything, and his year in nineteen eighty four 299 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: was so much more transcendent. While Andre Dawson had a 300 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: great year I think it was a seven eighty eight 301 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: and like won an m VP that year for a 302 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: last place team. A lot of people had done what 303 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: Andre Dawson had done. No one had done what Ryan 304 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: Samberg had done. And Ryan Samberg probably goes down as 305 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: a top five second basement of all time. Andre Dawson's 306 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: go down as a top five outfielder of all time. 307 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: That's why I decided to go with Ryan Samberg. The 308 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: reason why I like Oral better than bo Jackson is 309 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: because ultimately, like Oral, Hirsheiser did it over a longer 310 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: period of time and also he won the World Series title. 311 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: I think saying the best to watch, if you say 312 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: one year greatest of all time, I think you do 313 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: go with bo Jackson, and you do go with Gretzky, 314 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: and you do go with Magic. But if you're talking 315 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: about a career greatest of all time, then I think 316 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: you have to go with the wild harsh eyes. But 317 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: are you talking about a moment, Because if you're talking 318 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: Samberg eighty four, that means you're only getting the first 319 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: couple of months of Jordan's career. Um, yeah, no, but 320 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: I'm talking I'm talking about like Samberg was as good 321 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: as he was from eighty four to eighty nine, right 322 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: like he was a top flight Hall of Fame player 323 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: the Cubs went to the place and eighty four, he 324 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: was an integral part of the Cubs going to the 325 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: playoffs in eighty nine. Jordans obviously from eighty four to 326 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: eighty nine. By eighty eight, he was winning m VP 327 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: and you know, winning the All Star Game m VP 328 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: and winning Defensive Player of the Year etcetera, etcetera. Um, 329 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: so that's why, that's why I sort of have that 330 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: window of say eighty four to eight. So here's what's interesting. 331 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: There's almost this like debate here within debate within the 332 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: debate of are you gonna pick somebody who was like 333 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: the all time great in their in their prime or 334 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: how much does winning count? Right? Like, to me, the 335 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: biggest moment of my childhood was the Dodgers winning the 336 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: World Series of Media. I mean I was I grew up, 337 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: I was playing t ball. No, by that, I would 338 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: have not been in t ball. I would have been 339 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: like in real softball by then. But like I was 340 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: watching that, like I was watching Kirk Gibson hit that 341 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: home run, and like it's still forever in my memory 342 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 1: of the greatest sports memory. Right. And then right up 343 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: there are the Lakers showtime Lakers, right, because that's right 344 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: in right in their wheelhouse too. And Wayne Gretzky when 345 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: he came to l A, Like, I mean, we looked 346 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: at hockey before that is like whatever, but like he 347 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: had the charisma he got everybody into the Kings. Like, 348 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: I mean I had no interest in hockey before that, 349 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: and I used to watch the Kings all the time, 350 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: just because of Wayne Gretzky. And then we all got 351 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: into Luke Robotie and they had Barrett Melrose their coach. 352 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it was like the Kings were a thing, 353 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: right J. I mean you were working here at that time. 354 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: They were left for left college that year. Gretzky got 355 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: there right as I was leaving the head to Northwestern. 356 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: So it was it was a little disappointed that I 357 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: didn't really get to experience that in l A. That phenomenon. 358 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: But you know, in and I caught the first half 359 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: of the year. In eight, you know, Lakers win the championship, 360 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: their Dodgers win that championship, Rescue come in to l A. UM. 361 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: But but is that even the best year to be 362 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: a sports fan in l A. Because in four, the 363 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: Raiders are still there, They win the Super Bowl, Marcus 364 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: Allen's Super Bowl m v P. You have the Olympics 365 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: come to town, which was amazing. You know that the 366 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: Dodgers are still good. You know, it feels like the 367 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: Dodgers were good throughout. They were good. Yeah, they they 368 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: win in eight. Um, you know, but it's hard to 369 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: imagine them. I don't really remember them having any down period. Um, 370 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: you know, eighty four is a little bitter for me 371 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: because that's year the Lakers lost to the Celtics in 372 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: the finals. So that that that sort of cast a 373 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: pall over the next month at least. And and that's 374 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: kind of what kept it from being the perfect year. 375 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: But the fact is they were still in the midst 376 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: of I think four straight finals appearances, y um, and 377 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: and you know, they played in the finals and they 378 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: won the championship the next year. So yeah, is a 379 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: great stretch to be in. And the and the thing 380 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: about it is that, like I'm a Raider fan, I said, 381 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: will always be a Raider fan. I don't like that 382 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: they're in Vegas, but whatever, you know, I feel like 383 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: it's l A or Oakland. But when the Raiders are 384 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: when the Raiders are rolling, man, l A is a 385 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 1: Raider talk. And so, like you're right about bow Jackson. 386 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: He was just the most amazing star because he was 387 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: he was so unique and he was so electrifying, Like 388 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: he was definitely peak of his abilities in eight. The 389 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: thing is they didn't win then, so like it's kind 390 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: of hard for me to to like jump on that 391 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: Raider bandwagon in that year Um, I know the Kings 392 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: didn't win a title that year, but like they did 393 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: well and Gretzky was you know, it was so revolutionary, 394 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: you know for all thet an MVP that year, didn't 395 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: he Yeah, but they didn't win a Stanley Cup for 396 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: many years later. But but but still like he made 397 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: them relevant and he was like the star of stars 398 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: and I think that like, Um, I don't know, I 399 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: think you just gotta give it to him because he's 400 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: like they're his hockey player. Ever, um to me, like, 401 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take the Dodgers winning the title over 402 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: over bo Jackson even though that was really exciting, It 403 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: just they didn't win. True story. I did not see 404 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: the Kirk Gibson home run because I was at a 405 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: Bennigans in north Brook and I could not see it 406 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: because a rookie for the Chicago Bulls named Will Purdue 407 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: with are I was behind him the Kirk Gibson home run. 408 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: That's sad, if it makes you feel any better, I 409 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: got stuck behind Taco Fall with the dunk contest this year. 410 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't really see anything either. By the way, By 411 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: the way Ramona I was, I was at All Star 412 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: with my younger son, and he noticed you walking the 413 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: sidelines star talking to everybody. He's like, I'm pretty sure 414 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: that's Ramona sh I'm like, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Well, 415 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: the the sideline radio gig at the All Star Game 416 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: Jay is like the best gig because everybody's relaxed. Like, 417 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, normally when you're a sideline reporter, you're kind 418 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: of sneaking into huddles that they don't really want you 419 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: a part of, right, Like You're like you're kind of 420 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: like an eavesdropper, you know, and you kind of sneak 421 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: in there, and everybody's intense and stuff, and it's hard 422 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: to get on the sideline because there's there's not really 423 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: a big pathway, right, Like there's fans sitting right up 424 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: on the ice and you're just like stepping over people. 425 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: You're chasing down injuries for All Star Man, everybody's chill, 426 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: like you could just walk right up to them on 427 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: the bench and start talking them in the middle of 428 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: the game. It's kind of fun, right, so like and 429 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: and also there's no other media down there, so like 430 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: you're like the only person there. The sideline radio and 431 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: Sideline TV. It's great as sort of sports experts. Let 432 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: me give you some other things that people sent in 433 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: and get your takes because also this was a surprisingly 434 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: good one that came in from Seattle, and it also 435 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: has last stats relevance. Gary pay, Cortez Kennedy, and Ken 436 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: Griffy Jr. Got three. But people like I wouldn't be 437 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: excited to see Cortez Kennedy. Yeah, into a game to 438 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: see Cortez Kennedy and he was great. And that's a 439 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: seriously the name I haven't thought of in probably fifteen years. 440 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: So h I feel bad for Seattle because Ken Griffy 441 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: Junior League, like everyone left right and then the Seattle SuperSonics, 442 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We but l A didn't 443 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: feel that bad off for not having the NFL, like 444 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: people don't get it that people are you don't have 445 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: the NFL like we had so much else going on. 446 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: We didn't miss it that much. But Seattle, when the 447 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: Sonics left, it just felt like a piece of that 448 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: town was was ripped away from them and they still 449 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: haven't recovered. The NFL wasn't here for like decades, and 450 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: but we still had the Lakers and they were winning. 451 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: We had the Dodgers like they had some down years, 452 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: but they were even during the worst four years USC football, 453 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: like there was a there was enough. We didn't really 454 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: miss the NFL, like you could just watch whoever you 455 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: wanted everything to day. It's fine, all right, here's another 456 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 1: here's another one for you and I We have not 457 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: settled l A because I think Jay's making really good 458 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: points about bo Jackson, but Ramona is also making good 459 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: points about Oral, her size her. It's gonna come down 460 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: to bow and and oral. What about the Detroit Sneaky 461 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: Detroit Barry Sanders, Isaiah Thomas, Steve Eiserman. That's not a 462 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: bad list. They're all winners. I mean, well Barry Sanders 463 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: didn't want a title, but he was like a like 464 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: apply the criteria that a Dande is talking about. Those 465 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: are three players who were great to watch and also 466 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: like all timers like Isiserman's you look at it, he's 467 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: a top five hockey player of all time. Isaiah obviously 468 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: again you know, sort of revitalized during the last Dance, 469 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: but he was a wicked, awesome basketball player, arguably the 470 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: second greatest point guard in NBA history. Yeah, even Jordan's center. 471 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: Even George said the show like after Magic arguably the 472 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: second best ever, a Chicago kid who broke my heart 473 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: that I had to hit him because of the Pistons 474 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: and Barry Sanders. Come on, how good was you to watch? Yeah, 475 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: Barry Sandon, I would watch him any day, you know, 476 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 1: Like like I'd take Peyton overs over Barry Sanders, and 477 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: I'd take um, obviously Jordan over Isaiah. So it's Chicago 478 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: wins that one, Um, and then I take Magic over 479 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: Isaiah and Gretzky over Issoren even even l A. Okay, 480 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: when you're talking Gratzky, you're really talking Edmonton Gretzky. But 481 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: i'd I'd say even l A Gretzky, you know that 482 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: early years and he did get to a Stanley Cup 483 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: final in ninety three, I believe, right, So um, I 484 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: still take l A over that just accomplishments. All right, 485 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: This is my last one because I agree with you, 486 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: and like the reason I wanted you guys on is 487 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: because of the l A perspective, And to me, this 488 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: l A trio is the only one that could push 489 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: Jordan's and Peyton and Sandberg the last one. Dwight Gooden, 490 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: Atrick Ewing, Lawrence Taylor, Nah, can't put you there, but 491 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: you do Rookie year Ewing was a phenomenon, right, Yeah, 492 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: White Gooden in eighties six. Yeah, I can go back 493 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: and watch one pitching season even orals and eight as 494 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: as great and as historic as Oral and eight. Dwight 495 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: Gooden in eight six was a phenomenon. I remember watching 496 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: on w O superstation and catch Dwight good and that 497 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: that was a phenomenon. And Patrick was super fun to watch. 498 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: I mean he restored the knicks and made them relevant. Again, 499 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: that's a pretty good trios. Guys, you didn't even mention 500 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 1: LT when the m v P eight six n LT 501 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: was just a phenomenon. U just dominant changed the game, right, 502 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's many. You go back and you read 503 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: the blind Side and it talks about the rise of 504 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: the left tackle, which was all because of LT. Right right, 505 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: that's exactly Doc good gets. I mean, like you and 506 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,239 Speaker 1: you can't know, I mean as good as he was, 507 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: Like they didn't win, I don't know that he's considered 508 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: like he's not Kareem, he's not Shack, He's not right 509 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: is he even a top five center of all time? 510 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: If we just go down the list World Chamberlain, Like 511 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: I mean I don't know Russell. Yeah, I don't think 512 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: that one's gonna cut it, all right, So York is out, 513 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: all right, But one year to watch six, six, especially 514 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: the good I mean that that that was just one 515 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: of my favorite phenomenons. His curveball. Oh man, that watching 516 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: six was Strawberry, right. I mean you could easily put Strawberry, 517 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: you and LT in that conversation too. I think I 518 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: put Good in a head of Strawberry, but it's still irrelevant. 519 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: He's irrelevant option all right, it's coming back down, mad 520 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: Jick Gretzky, Bow or Oral. I mean, you know, I 521 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: vote Oral, like I didn't think like I think eight 522 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: season plus the championship Tom, I just remember, but like 523 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: Bow was more fun to watch. So you know that 524 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: that was the three that I gave you when you 525 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: asked for my submission, you know. Or Oral was was fantastic, 526 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: historic was its sixty consecutive scoreless innings. Mhmm, World Series, 527 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: MVP Sportsman of the Year. That's the thing. Of all 528 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: the people we named, he was a Sportsman of the 529 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: Year out of everybody in sports that year. I just 530 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: go with with Bow just because that's who I was 531 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: checking for it you know. He was his name is Oral, mean, 532 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, like like Tommy and sort of told me 533 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: this great story. And I don't know, every Tommy story 534 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: is a little you never know if it's totally true. Right, 535 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: There's this story where he goes, listen, your name isn't 536 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: Oral Hersheiser, bulldog your bulldog? And he just had to 537 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: call it a bulldog. And I mean the guy he 538 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: literally looks like an accountant. I mean, how's this guy 539 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: striking everybody out scorelessening streaks like this? I think I 540 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: have nine. Yeah, I love a Dande's argument about Bo Jackson, 541 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: who is attended athlete, but I have to go with 542 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: the Orld hirsh Eiser, Magic and Gretzky, And I think 543 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: it actually beats Peyton Jordan's and Sandburn because and I 544 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: think it's because the way I originally considered the argument, like, 545 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: I can't do my trio if I go with with 546 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 1: the Dande's argument, because I don't know, you know, So 547 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: I have to go with Dawson, Magic, Gretzky and Oral 548 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: hirsh Eizer as the number one trio for one city 549 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: at one time across three sports man it's a hot 550 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: time in the city man, I was nine. How old 551 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: are you day? You were? Like high school age? I graduate. 552 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: I went to Game seven against the Pistons, So that's 553 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: the one I was in person, and that was like 554 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: the culmination of my childhood. Like I remember, it was 555 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: so simbolic. And the day of Game seven, I drove, 556 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: I went back to my elementary school. I probably stopped 557 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: at my junior high. I was just wrapping up my childhood. 558 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: I knew I was getting ready to go away to 559 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: college that that that fall, and I needed them to 560 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: win that championship. The last the eighties were everything to me. 561 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: And remember nobody had one back to back in the 562 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: NBA since like Russell's Celtics in the sixty and so 563 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: it was such a big deal to be going from 564 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: back to back. But I just needed that to to 565 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: finish off my adolescence and then go to college. And 566 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: I spent a hundred twenty five dollars on the ticket 567 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: at a time when I had fifty in my bank 568 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: account to get a ticket to Game seven, and um man, 569 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: that just meant so much to me. Well, Chad, the 570 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: other thing too, if this makes you this tops this off. Okay, 571 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: we didn't just have three all time grades in their prime. 572 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: In the same year, two of those three one championships 573 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,239 Speaker 1: and all of their game were called by arguably the 574 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: greatest broadcasters in their sports ever. Okay, Finn Scully, Bevin 575 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: Scully is calling orld Harshiser, Chick Heard is calling the 576 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: Laker games, and Bob Miller is calling the games. For 577 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: wedding for Win Gretzky of the Kings. I mean, that's 578 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: pretty good. But Mona, I have a picture with all three. 579 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: That's my person poster with with Dawson, Jordan and Yeah. 580 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: So it's one of the few times they're all in 581 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: the same room together. The local sports outlet to the 582 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 1: round table. This is after Bob Miller gets into the 583 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: Hockey Hall of Fame, and so they had him, Chick 584 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 1: and Um and Ben come in and just share stories 585 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: and it was amazing. And I was in there and 586 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: Larry Stewart, who was the l a Times Sports TV critic, 587 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: was in there, and I got a picture with everybody. 588 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: Very few people have a photo with Bob Miller Chicker 589 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: because because of the Jewels, they were so rarely in 590 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: the same room together. It only happened maybe two or 591 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: three times, and very you know, and very few, if 592 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: any city has got to grow up hearing their sports 593 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: broadcast to them by three people at the very top 594 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: of their profession, among the very very best to ever 595 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: do it. So, yeah, great point, Ramona. Not only did 596 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: we get to see these players when we couldn't see them, 597 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: we got to hear their exploits described to us by 598 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: the best you could ask for. Yeah great. So now 599 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,479 Speaker 1: you guys are just laying it on a little thing. 600 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we really were spoiled, Like, honestly, 601 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: why are we all sports fans because we grew up 602 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: in l A in the eighties with these three guys 603 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: on the call. Awesome? But I do think you look, 604 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: you make a really good point, Ramona, and that is 605 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: this is the kind of game that that people end 606 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: up loving because it reminds them of why they fell 607 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: in love with sports to begin with. You know, it's 608 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: like I am loving the Last Dance because me so 609 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: much about when I was twelve years old and going 610 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: to Bulls game in three before Jordan arrived, and my 611 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: dad was buying ten tickets for you know, a dollar 612 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: each for my birthday and we'd go see Orlando Wolridge, 613 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: Reggie theis artists called David Greenwood. Yeah, to me, that 614 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: was like the end all be all of existence, Like 615 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: that's why all of this is so much fun. The 616 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: bulls in the stadium, you know, just getting there my 617 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: first couple of years of college, getting tickets, and one 618 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: time we literally had a seat in the last row 619 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: of the second balcony Chicago Stadium. But that building, the 620 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: way it was set up, you're still out over the court, 621 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: so you're not very far from the court because the 622 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: balconies are hanging out over and like you could stand. 623 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: If you're down on the floor, you could look up 624 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: and if your friend was sitting in the second balcony, 625 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: you could recognize their face. That that's how close it was. Um, 626 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: the energy in that building. I still get goose bumps 627 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: every time I see the serious intros, you know, and 628 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: and and now, oh yeah, man, I hear that Alan 629 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: Parsons project chills. Imagine seeing that every night, like it's 630 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: a random Wednesday, and it's before a T n T, 631 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: before T and T at National Games and you're watching 632 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: it on w g N with Jim Durham and Johnny 633 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: Redcirt Like that was every single night, all right, Ramona 634 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: Shelburn j Adande. Thank you, guys, l a native sports 635 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: historian extraordinaire. As you guys got lucky. You grew up 636 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: with very good players in your era. Thanks for coming 637 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: on the Favorites. We win to admit something, but you 638 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: gotta admit that was pretty damn I was convincing with 639 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: that bulldog story, Wasn't I all right up with you guys. 640 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you later. Alright, this has been the Favorites. 641 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: The podcast from the Action Network I Am Chad Mowman. 642 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: Download from Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast, 643 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: rate reviews right until next time, Love you, muh