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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Amy and TJ and Majokamo today.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that because we have a very special and

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Speaker 1: very poor guest that a lot of people know. And

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Speaker 1: right before we started, he was like, y'all got my

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Speaker 1: name right?

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Speaker 2: I was like, yes, of course, Matty Majakamo, who doesn't

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Speaker 2: know how to say his name.

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Speaker 3: But I got.

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Speaker 1: Nervous because I screwed up vander Plump.

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Speaker 3: Right, this wasn't long ago, right, I guess it's true.

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Speaker 2: And he kept saying vander plump. Once you say it

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Speaker 2: wrong and we tease each other, you keep saying it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It's pretty funny.

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Speaker 1: Home with Jakamo was fresh on my mind, so I

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Speaker 1: keep saying that. I keep saying it. Everybody knows this dude.

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Speaker 1: I was asking you, what's the right way to put it?

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Speaker 1: A beloved Peloton.

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Speaker 2: Instructors, I would say he is one of the most

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Speaker 2: beloved Peloton instructors because he just radiates joy and positivity

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Speaker 2: and he makes people actually enjoy running on the treadmill.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, you needed that motivation this morning because we

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Speaker 1: were we were set for what today.

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Speaker 2: We're supposed to do a five miler today. Yep, it

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Speaker 2: got cold again, So back on the treadmill. And you

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Speaker 2: went this morning?

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Speaker 4: And I punted, Why did you punt?

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Speaker 3: Because we had a really late night last night?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Is that really what you're going with? One hundred percent? Okay,

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Speaker 3: that is absolutely why I punted.

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Speaker 1: What's a late night?

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Speaker 3: We went to bed at two thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's a late night for me especially. I haven't

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Speaker 2: done that in a very long time.

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Speaker 1: It sounds very we I Actually we got home and

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Speaker 1: I fired up the stovetop grill at like twelve thirty

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Speaker 1: and I started cooking. I grilled chicken, I grilled salmon,

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Speaker 1: made some dope salads. What was the what movie did

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Speaker 2: I it was delicious and I don't remember which we

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's funny. I pulled up my phone because

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Speaker 2: I was checking into my daughter, and I saw that

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Speaker 2: I was searching horror movies to stream.

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Speaker 1: The good friend of mine is in town every week,

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Speaker 1: and I had a meeting last night at seven o'clock. Yep,

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Speaker 1: and used to I had a busy day. Are getting

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Speaker 1: ready and I saw the note from him, and I

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Speaker 1: almost and I sawry brother, but I saw a text

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Speaker 1: from him, and I went, ugh, he's gonna want to

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Speaker 3: And you said, babe, change of plans. We're gonna have

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Speaker 3: to go out. Yes.

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Speaker 1: So one meeting ended at nine and then we made

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Speaker 1: our way up to kick it with my boy, and

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Speaker 1: that's why we ended up with the late night we had.

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Speaker 3: It was a fun night.

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Speaker 1: It was a fun night.

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Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: It was a very good night. So that's why you punted.

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Speaker 1: And you could have used some Maddie Majocamo motivation this morning,

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Speaker 1: because it wasn't enough with me nudging you. You wouldn't, I

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Speaker 2: And that's honestly, it's rare. I usually suck it up

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Today was a rare day. But I just figured I

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Speaker 2: actually thought it'd be really fun after talking with Maddie

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Speaker 2: to then use like to go and use one of.

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Speaker 3: His treadmill runs with me. So I'm gonna try it

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Speaker 3: out today.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Mattie, Mattie, tell tell, what would you tell a

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Speaker 1: person who or this one who just went out, had

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Speaker 1: a hard night, was going at it, and this morning

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to get up and run the five? Do

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Speaker 1: you punt or what motivation would you give to that

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Speaker 4: This morning, I'm standing in full counterpoint to you, whipper snappers.

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Speaker 4: Was I was in bed with PBS News Hour at

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Speaker 4: eight pm last night, so I need to really reevaluate

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Speaker 4: my life. But no, I would say get up and

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Speaker 4: do it, unless, of course, you're feeling such a level

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Speaker 4: of fatigue that it's just not going to be worth it,

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Speaker 4: because people people really want to push through it. But

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Speaker 4: I will tell you, if you are tired and you

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Speaker 4: it works in the opposite direction. So it's o'll get

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Speaker 4: you punted. See for the sports.

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Speaker 2: I will do it later this afternoon, yes, and possibly

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Speaker 3: I have to do the five. I'll get it in.

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Speaker 3: I love that though, because you're right. I didn't want

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Speaker 1: But I was up at five this morning and started

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Speaker 1: working and prepping, and I'll say, you know what, let

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Speaker 1: I thought you would get motivated by you know I.

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Speaker 3: Usually do yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: Once I put the socks on and then the shorts

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Speaker 1: got on, and I'm like, Okay, this will do it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the shirt's on, now, this will get it.

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Speaker 1: The shoes are coming, She's still.

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Speaker 2: I sometimes get tempted and then say all right, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna do it. And I never regret a run, That's

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Speaker 2: always what I say. But today I do not regret

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Speaker 2: not running this morning.

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Speaker 1: Man, you do it for a living, but you have

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Speaker 1: to have days where you don't want to get on

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Of course, Oh my god, Like sometimes daily and GJ,

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Speaker 4: I've heard you talk about this dreadmill, and there are

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Speaker 4: days where I feel like it is a dread mill.

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Speaker 4: But I always say, like, no matter what, Like I

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Speaker 4: could probably count on one hand in almost forty years

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Speaker 4: the fitness industry's fault because for a really long time

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Speaker 4: it's very trendy to be like, work hard, play hard.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't count a lesson. Yeah, that real like radio

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Speaker 4: take the rest, to take the rest. That being said, yeah,

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Speaker 4: challenge yourself a little bit and sometimes okay, get out

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Speaker 4: of that discomfort. You gotta put the batsuit on. It's

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Speaker 4: your socks. That's what gets you in the mood.

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Speaker 2: He thought I was gonna get me like, I was like,

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Speaker 4: I should go.

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Speaker 3: I was taking my time. I was noticing that you.

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Speaker 2: Took a lot of time making always like I heard

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Speaker 2: you open the drawer. I'm getting the running drawer open.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, put on the watch.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'll go now.

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Speaker 4: It gets the day star. I I too, ran on

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Speaker 4: just it flicks that switch. I am on, I am ready.

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Speaker 4: And the reason why is I knew that for today,

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Speaker 4: for this conversation, I needed to get on that tread

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Speaker 4: just to get the juices flow and just to get going.

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Speaker 4: And I will say, since typically when I have a

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Speaker 2: So how your job not only is to you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, because that's something I'm always in awe of.

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Speaker 2: running when I'm not feeling How do you motivate yourself?

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Speaker 4: Sure? Sure, I mean you kind of step away from

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Speaker 4: I've taken that thirty minutes, sixty minutes, sometimes ninety minutes

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Speaker 4: I'm giving this back to myself now. I'm not an

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Speaker 4: innate lover of the physical activity or even sports. My father,

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Speaker 4: My father was like all star sports, baseball, basketball. My father,

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Speaker 4: I even dropped off the cross country team in high

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Speaker 4: school after two weeks. I just it's not innate within me.

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Speaker 4: And until I really trained and like really taught myself

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Speaker 1: But you said didn't fall in love with fitness or

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Speaker 4: I'm tall, I got long legs. They move.

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Speaker 3: That's about it.

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Speaker 1: That is, it doesn't translate all wait, basketball player, were

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Speaker 4: And so you know my message to that is, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, the Peloton platform is so inclusive, which is

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Speaker 4: I teach a lot of walking classes too. As much

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Speaker 4: as I love, love, love to run, there's just something

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Speaker 3: That's all we do well.

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Speaker 2: And I wanted to tell everyone I fell in love

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Speaker 2: with you doing some of your workout classes. You do

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Speaker 2: strength training and you do the treadmill. I did some

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Speaker 2: of your strength training classes. But I was like, who

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Speaker 2: is this guy? He is just so beautiful, like you

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Speaker 2: just have a beautiful soul.

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Speaker 3: Day's right there.

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Speaker 1: I almost stopted when she said I fell in love

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Speaker 1: fiance that's a dude, so might be okay, just fine,

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Speaker 1: all right, But I.

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Speaker 2: Posted something on Instagram because your workout was so amazing.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to share it with everyone else. And

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Speaker 2: then you DMed me and we started dming back and forth.

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Speaker 3: But it was what three years ago, we figured.

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Speaker 4: Out years ago. I looked for the time stamp. I

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Speaker 4: year ago or so, and this is how I've fallen

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Speaker 4: in love with both of you and even your extended family.

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Speaker 4: Like Nikki, I'm like, okay, so I know the I

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Speaker 3: What Oh is it all good? It is it all positive?

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Speaker 4: You use it. You use it just like a performer

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Speaker 4: time to come out as well. So like you've had fifteen, sixteen,

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00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 4: twenty thirty years to come to grips with it when

441
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 4: you bestow this information onto your parents, and likely they

442
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 4: already know in some way, shape or form. I still

443
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 4: don't know how my mom didn't know. I was like

444
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 4: listening to like original Broadway cast album. I love to

445
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 4: shop with her. We'd go to aerobics class.

446
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 3: At fourteen.

447
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 1: This was weird.

448
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 3: I'm like, girl, how was your day? I love you?

449
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 3: Did you always know? I?

450
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 4: Yes? And no, Like I don't know I think I

451
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 4: loved I was drawn to like fabulous women, so like

452
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 4: if Britney Spears was on a poster on my wall.

453
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 4: But I think I liked her for other things, you know.

454
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 4: And then I was also like, oh my god, Leo

455
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 4: to Garbria.

456
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 3: Wow, oh god, so there's a stirring.

457
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 4: And then I and then I really I was like,

458
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 4: oh that's it. I mean after going to kind of

459
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 4: a fire in Brimstone, Roman Catholic School, Uhallian Brothers School

460
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 4: that obviously didn't have anything like a g S A

461
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 4: for sure, that's not the path I chose. And then

462
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 4: I went to n Yu and I was like, get

463
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 4: me to the gayest school.

464
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 3: N Yu. My daughter is a junior at n y U.

465
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 4: That's at least.

466
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 3: Who's in Berlin. She's in Berlin study abroad.

467
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 4: She's studying really hard.

468
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: Right.

469
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 3: She's been sending me pictures of her laying in the.

470
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 2: Sun and yes it's it's yes, Oh yes she has.

471
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 3: She's she's told me all about it.

472
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 4: She's cool.

473
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, I'm going to visit her and she wants

474
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 2: me to go with her.

475
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 4: I'll give you some some tips. It's hard to get.

476
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 3: It, oh, I know. They got rejected.

477
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: She was telling me all about it, like but she

478
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: eventually she did, but she's been rejected a couple of times.

479
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 4: It happens. It happens. You have to be very very yeah,

480
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 4: you just kind of.

481
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 3: You can't talk. You should, you can't talk in line

482
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 3: to get in.

483
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 4: It's an incredible place. It is a it is a

484
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 4: club built in a former power station in former East Germany.

485
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 4: There are no mirrors and they basically they tape up

486
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 4: the camera on your phone so you'll never see a photo,

487
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 4: live photo of anybody inside. And I will tell you

488
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 4: it is miraculously. There will be thousands of people in

489
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 4: this club. Nobody touches you. You go, hind, I know

490
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 4: you guys party hard now the morning, nobody touches, nobody

491
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 4: touches you. You're like, oh my god. There's just something

492
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 4: about the Germans, just like they understand like personal space

493
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 4: and there's an etiquette and there's rules and if you

494
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 4: don't abide by that, like then you will get kicked out.

495
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: This is fascinating. I'm I'm you're making me excited. I

496
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: got to try this out. I watched me get rejected.

497
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: I won't get in and then we'll give you a

498
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: sheet of Okay, okay, cool, But you started the first

499
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: gay fraternity at NYU.

500
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 3: How did you do that?

501
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 4: I don't know why I did it, but it was

502
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 4: and you know what, it was really interesting. It was

503
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 4: just that I knew that I was coming to New

504
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 4: York City. I knew that New York City was a

505
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 4: very very big pond, right, so I needed to find

506
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 4: a community. And as a young gay person, you know,

507
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 4: I mean, at eighteen, you can't even get into bars.

508
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 4: But like even if you you, I mean, I had

509
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 4: a fake idea. Of course, it's maybe not the best

510
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 4: place to find your fellow travelers, if you will. And

511
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 4: I was able to create this chapter of Delta Lamb DeFi,

512
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 4: which is the first fraternity again built on you know,

513
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 4: the same you know, the the same parameters and bastions

514
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 4: of Greek life as any of the you know, major

515
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 4: colleges and and major chapters of fraternities and sororities. But

516
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 4: it's it's for for queer menuh and queer identifying men.

517
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 4: They've changed the language, which is fantastic. And yeah, I

518
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 4: found a little family which was very cool, and that

519
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 4: is why I came out to my parents because they

520
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 4: rode up a story in the Washington Square Post Journal.

521
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 4: I forget the school newspaper, and then the New York

522
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 4: Post picked up the story, and I knew my parents

523
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 4: and my uncles all read the New York Post. So

524
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 4: I was like, oh God, I should definitely tell them

525
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 4: that I'm gay before they read this in the New.

526
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: York Quite a second, man, you you formed a gay

527
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 1: fraternity before you even told your parents.

528
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, talking about putting the cart before the horse, you

529
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 4: kind have almost forced your hand, you know, I did.

530
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 4: I did, but I was ready. But I did. I

531
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 4: was ready.

532
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: It's something stood up. When she asked you about your

533
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: coming out story, you said it went okay. It was

534
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: how you response were and you talk about your day

535
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: and your mom. But were you surprised? What were you

536
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: expecting from? Did they respond exactly where you thought they?

537
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: The opposite? The opposite. I thought my dad would just

538
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: going to kind of get quiet and maybe be like,

539
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 4: you know, he's a sensitive guy, which is which is great.

540
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 4: He's not. He's not he's not a Tony soprano type.

541
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 4: It's a sensitive guy. And my mom is kind of

542
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: exactly what you figure she she would be. And I

543
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 4: just thought she just you know, she needed her she

544
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 4: needed her time. And we got to laugh about it.

545
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 4: And now it's funny to go back and like tell

546
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,239
Speaker 4: them what my point of view was, and she's like, oh,

547
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 4: that's not how it went. I was fine.

548
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 3: I was totally how did it go?

549
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: Like what was the setup to say, hey, guys, I

550
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: need to talk. Was it over the phone? Did you

551
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: go home to go?

552
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 4: I enlisted the help of my eldest sister. I love

553
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: my sisters. I have two sisters. They are They're amazing moms.

554
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: They are I'm so lucky. I'm I'm the boy in

555
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 4: the middle. It's like the best, the best way to

556
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: be there. Incredible. And I told my older sister, you know,

557
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 4: interestingly enough, it was a point and I think my parents'

558
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 4: marriage that they actually weren't communicating. It was just how

559
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 4: it was, you know, after you've been together for decades,

560
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 4: and I think they thought we were bringing them to

561
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 4: the table to like be like, this is an intervention,

562
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 4: you need to talk to each other. I think they

563
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 4: thought we were like gonna gonna come and marriage.

564
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, the kid, that's so funny, we are taking.

565
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 4: Over And and I said no, like i'm I'm I'm gay.

566
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 4: And then actually at the point in time, my younger sister,

567
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: who was a teenager, she walked into the room and

568
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: my mom actually turned said no, no, no, don't like go back,

569
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: go out of the room. And then Alyssa and I

570
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: my older sister, were like, no, no, no, you stay

571
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: right here. We're gonna have this conversation as a family.

572
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: So I was very I was really lucky. I was

573
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 4: really lucky because again, even today, and you know, the

574
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 4: nonprofits that I work for, like the Oli Forny Center,

575
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 4: they help these kids who don't have that experience, that

576
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 4: experience goes very different, or they don't even have the

577
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 4: luxury of being able to have that conversation. They're tossed

578
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 4: out before they even get the words out of their mouth.

579
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 4: And it it's just it's it's a tough.

580
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: Thing because.

581
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 4: As a parent, and I'm kind of looking at that

582
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 4: as my future as a parent. Isn't your only purpose

583
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 4: as a parent to make sure that that kid is

584
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: safe and happy and it's not about you? So why

585
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: would anybody throw their kid out? I just don't. I

586
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 4: just don't get it, especially for for something as little

587
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 4: as small as this. Small piece of small little tile

588
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 4: of the mosaic that you are as a person.

589
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a good way to put it, and

590
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: I think so many people listening will appreciate that because

591
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: it's something that unless you've gone through it, or you

592
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: know you have to go through it, you can't even

593
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: imagine what that process or what that feels like as

594
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 2: as the child or as the parents. So I know

595
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: you're doing such good work helping people walk that path.

596
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: You walked the path and you found love.

597
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: And I was telling TJ.

598
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: I watched, Oh my gosh, your engagement video.

599
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: Did you cry?

600
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: I cried?

601
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 4: I cried.

602
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: I cried.

603
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: That was it is one of the most beautiful proposals

604
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: I have ever seen in my life.

605
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: Evan really turned it out.

606
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: I mean he did.

607
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: Anyone else who's looking to propose to anyone, you, I

608
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: don't think you could do it better.

609
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 4: And we got really lucky because there was a lot

610
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 4: of that. We had crazy rain in September here in

611
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 4: New York, and he, I mean, I was so surprised

612
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 4: because I'm the planner, so I'm I I know the facts,

613
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 4: I know where we're going, I have the passports, I

614
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: have you know, it's me. I'm doing the grocery shopping,

615
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 4: I'm cooking. Evan does a lot, but if you're listening,

616
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 4: you and I do more.

617
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: But set the stage and I and I encourage anyone

618
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: to go onto your Instagram and to watch this because

619
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: it's so beautiful.

620
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: But set the stage. And you were surprised.

621
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 4: Oh I was. I was so surprised. Yeah, I mean

622
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 4: it even kind of went went viral.

623
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: People love love.

624
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 4: People love love. There's so much shit out there. They

625
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 4: love love, and that's why you know people love you guys.

626
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 4: It's just like I, Oh my god, I was on

627
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: like a zoom up until it was in September. It

628
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 4: was in September. It's like five He's like, we need

629
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 4: to be ready at five thirty. We're going to a

630
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: friend of his is very involved with the Met Museum

631
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 4: and we're going to go for a private after hours

632
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: tour of the Met. And typical jaded New Yorker being

633
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: in New York City for twenty years, I've been to

634
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 4: the Met. Why do I It's five point thirty on

635
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 4: a Wednesday, Like, why come on? Like we have other

636
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 4: things to do. So I was really talk about like

637
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 4: not getting out of the house and I was like,

638
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 4: I don't know what am I wearing? What are there people?

639
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 4: What are we doing? And he' said yeah, like where's

640
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: something you know nice? I was like, okay, fine, And

641
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: then we get there and it is a gorgeous night,

642
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 4: gorgeous after having like literally booke ended with rain NonStop,

643
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: the sun never came out. And we do this forty

644
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 4: five minute tour with two friends of ours and his friend,

645
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 4: and you know, I'm doing my best at not feigning interest.

646
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 4: The met is amazing. It's culturally just unbelievable, so I'm

647
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 4: I'm really getting into it. And then his friend is said, Oh,

648
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 4: we're going to go up to the terrace up the

649
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 4: rooftop garden, and I was like, oh, yeah, it's nice.

650
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 4: We'll take some photos it's like the sunset whatever. And

651
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 4: then we go up there and I see like a

652
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 4: table with some champagne glasses, like, oh, they must be

653
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: having an event up here later. And then we kind

654
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 4: of they have this beautiful art installation up top and

655
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 4: I kind of walk around it and that's when I

656
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: saw my mom. That's when I saw his dad, That's

657
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 4: when I saw our friends, and I start I start

658
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: bawling because and he said it in his proposal. He said,

659
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Speaker 4: I know how important family is to you, and I

660
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: have been working for months to get everybody together because

661
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Speaker 4: I want to ask you two questions and yeah, he said,

662
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Speaker 4: he was cute. You do you want to get married?

663
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Speaker 1: First?

664
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: I said yes. Second question, do you want to get

665
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Speaker 4: married to me? And I said yeah, and so son

666
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 4: it was. And then oh and then of course Broadway

667
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 4: dweeb Jessica Vasque for those of you, your Broadway lovers,

668
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 4: you know Jessica Vosh. She's like one of the most

669
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Speaker 4: famous Alphaba's and she's a friend of ours. And then

670
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Speaker 4: she is there with her brother playing guitar, and she

671
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 4: starts singing our song Golden Hour by Casey Muskraves, and

672
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: I'm crying again.

673
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Speaker 3: I'm like, you're getting me.

674
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Speaker 4: Alphaba is sitting singing Casey Muskraves right now. When we're

675
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 4: getting married? How am I gonna pay for this wedding?

676
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Speaker 3: When is? When is the wedding?

677
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: We're gonna give ourselves a little bit of lead time.

678
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: So we're doing peak fall Foliage in October twenty twenty five.

679
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Speaker 4: So and everybody wants to come. Okay, what else are

680
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 4: you toe volks about the wedding? What kind of wedding?

681
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Speaker 4: What is there anything? Actually? We are so gay?

682
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Speaker 3: How gay are you?

683
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 4: This is how gay we are to We are having

684
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: a brunch ceremony, wedding, getting married at gay brunch, and

685
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 4: then we're gonna take a break and then we're gonna

686
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 4: have a big party and it's gonna be a show.

687
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 4: We're gonna have opera, We're gonna have drag, we're gonna

688
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 4: have Broadway. There might be fire breathing people.

689
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this sounds Where is this happening?

690
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: And when can we expect the invitation?

691
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 4: Uh so here's the punchline that we're getting married. We're

692
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 4: having a gay wedding in cocksack y New York.

693
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Speaker 3: I don't think we're gay enough to be invited.

694
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Speaker 6: No, no, no, oh my goodness, that is going to

695
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Speaker 6: be a party.

696
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Speaker 4: It'll be a who you know?

697
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Speaker 1: You mentioned how important is it? There is no question

698
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Speaker 1: at all. You're going to be.

699
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 4: Parents, no question, no question. Family is. Family is as

700
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 4: much a part of my brand as my awesome hair

701
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: these days, Like I mean, family is. I talk about

702
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 4: family so much And I've always wanted to be a

703
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 4: dad though you know I love a man and I'm

704
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: going to form it. We are doing, we are, we

705
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 4: are you you heard it here first breaking news. I mean,

706
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 4: we are. We are fully on our fertility journey. It

707
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 4: is as I'm sure many of your listeners can attest

708
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 4: to because it's their lived experience. It is a twisty

709
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 4: turney rollercoaster, emotionally fraud exciting, scary thing. And you know,

710
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 4: when you're a same sex couple, there are hoops you

711
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: have to jump through. And I and I will tell you,

712
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 4: without giving too many details, our our egg donor lives

713
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: in a southern state and we we we made a

714
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: very very determined and intentional decision to not do the

715
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: egg donation in the state that she lives in. We

716
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 4: did in DC, which is great, and so we do.

717
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,959
Speaker 4: We have a few little as my mom calls them,

718
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 4: Anna's and Elsa's.

719
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Speaker 3: Or a freezer somewhere.

720
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Speaker 2: I mean, with all the with all the news regarding

721
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: embryo's IVF, all of all of these issues are now

722
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: at stake or in play, which is shocking to so

723
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: many people who are desperate and want to be amazing parents.

724
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: How has that played a role in your timeline. I mean,

725
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: are you concerned.

726
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 4: I think we're safe with with how we've chosen because

727
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: we did all the work ahead of time, and we

728
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: have this amazing coordinator who has helped us from start

729
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: to finish, and she's there. She's as much a therapist

730
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 4: as she is somebody who helps just make sure we've

731
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: crossed all the t's and dotted all the eyes.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 4: Science is so cool, though, Science is so cool. And I,

734
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 4: as you said to Jay, I am fully I know

735
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 4: that things can can change in a way. They have

736
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 4: and we've changed our expectations again and again and again.

737
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 4: And we've been doing this for about a year now,

738
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 4: and we're not planning on getting pregnant until right around

739
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 4: the wedding anyway. And and I think I'll be a

740
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: good dad. And Evan really loves cartoons, so I'm like,

741
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 4: there's no way we can pick this up. Like this

742
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 4: is too this is too too good.

743
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm like, what's he watched?

744
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 4: Oh my god, every Oh he's he's he's a competitive

745
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: Pokemon player. So there's a lot of Pokemon in my house.

746
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: Those events where they go out, Oh yeah, oh yeah,

747
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: he's he's not the Pokemon Go where you see the

748
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: kids come mindlessly.

749
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 4: It's a traffic Wow, bad bad idea. No, he does

750
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 4: the battles. We've been watching Avatar on not not James

751
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 4: Cameron Avatar, the other The Airbender Avatar. Know they just

752
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: did the live action.

753
00:37:52,680 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: We watch a lot of TV. What are you watching

754
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: right now? We just picked up We're big horror movie fans.

755
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: I know you said that opposite of you.

756
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm just about to you don't have a favorite horror movie?

757
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: One you could name that your.

758
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: I mean the Exorcists, okay, and one could probably say

759
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 4: that the live action Cats was a horror movie.

760
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: We tried to watch that, So what's your no?

761
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Speaker 4: I mean, if I'm really in it, like God, like

762
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 4: the French ones are really messed up. High tension, high tension.

763
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hot tension whatever it is.

764
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: But yes, is a little.

765
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Speaker 4: Summer is so freaking hereditary. I could only watch a

766
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: little bit.

767
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Speaker 2: Of a child decapitated and I had a hard time

768
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Speaker 2: with that one as well.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you guys have limits. You went to Sweeney

770
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 4: Todd on Valentine's Day, so it's like nothing says I

771
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: love you like cannibalism.

772
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's on brand for us. Basically, I would say, probably.

773
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: Yes, what are we watching right now?

774
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 3: We just picked up ninety Fiance.

775
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: We just picked that up, but we went through every

776
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: single episode. I think that exists a below deck.

777
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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, so you're a Kate fan?

778
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, are you watching The Traders? No?

779
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 4: Okay, no, please, please know. I implore you. Really, I'm

780
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: not getting paid by Peacock to say this, because I

781
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 4: this show is so good and it's it's did you

782
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: ever play Mafia in college? It's there, there are there

783
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 4: are traders amongst this group of what they say, faithfuls,

784
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 4: and it's amongst the group. They need to figure out

785
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 4: who are the traders? Who are It's like the mole

786
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: almost right, and it is. They have cast it with

787
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 4: like reless, you know, but like some of our favorite

788
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: reality show personalities.

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Speaker 3: And Kate's all in it.

790
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 4: And Kate's in it. She kind of comes in at

791
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 4: the last minute to like kind of shake.

792
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 3: I would think she'd have to be a trader.

793
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 4: She's justly maybe.

794
00:39:59,480 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: Up to her.

795
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Speaker 1: You remember we watched one episode where the guy walks

796
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: around and touches on the shoulder who the trader is, right, that's.

797
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: That we did see one.

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Speaker 4: Alan comming Is is a remarkable host. And in Scotland, Scotland,

799
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Speaker 4: you can skip the first you can skip the first season.

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Speaker 4: UK is really good. This season that's happening phasor Parks

801
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Speaker 4: is it is her show? Like if they could give

802
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 4: an Oscar away for a reality she would get it.

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00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: What season is this?

804
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 4: This is season two?

805
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: Okay, we should do that is watch watch it and

806
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: let me we've been watching.

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00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 4: We should at TV. We should all be on it

808
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Speaker 4: next season.

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Speaker 6: Agreed, let's do it today. Wait would you like to

810
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Speaker 6: be Oh? I would be on it in a second

811
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Speaker 6: trader would I'm a faithful, faithful so I would be

812
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Speaker 6: there to like get the money for the group if

813
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Speaker 6: they tap me for a trader.

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Speaker 4: I could probably do that.

815
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Speaker 3: But I think you could do both.

816
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you could.

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00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: You said, there's some things you like to talk about

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00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: and things that are in the headlines here. What what

819
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: is it that you are seeing that concerns you when

820
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: it comes to the LGBTQ plus community, And it will

821
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Speaker 1: only get necessarily that you want to I'm not asking

822
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: you some political views or political leanings or political candidates,

823
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: but what are you seeing that that concerns you and

824
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: also encourages you.

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00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 4: For sure, for sure, no, I appreciate the way that

826
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 4: you pose that question, because again at Peloton, we understand

827
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Speaker 4: that no matter what your political leaning is, you're gonna

828
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 4: come to us to work to work out. And so

829
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 4: I am very clear that like I'm not out here

830
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 4: to talk about politicians, I can stand up for the

831
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 4: issues that I believe ring true in my heart. Our

832
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 4: heart is really heavy for next and next Benedict's family

833
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 4: right now, and that's an issue that I've talked about

834
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 4: for a really long time, because the insidiousness of something

835
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 4: like a bathroom bill seems to be something that we

836
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 4: should be less concerned about, considering that there are a

837
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 4: lot other things happening in this world and the twisty

838
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 4: turney nature of the media and some politicians trying to say, oh,

839
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: don't you know, look over there, don't look over here,

840
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 4: when lives are truly at stake, and when it comes

841
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Speaker 4: to young people, I mean, come on, this is our

842
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 4: this is our future. And the fact that they would

843
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 4: even try and make an argument that, oh, no, this

844
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 4: for the listeners that didn't don't know about this, it

845
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: was a young person in Oklahoma who there was There

846
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: was an altercation in a bathroom and this person did

847
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 4: not necessarily identify with the gender that was prescribed of

848
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Speaker 4: the facility they were in, and they were attacked by

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Speaker 4: three older students and went home, went to the hospital,

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00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 4: and then a day later passed away. And so obviously,

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00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: as you know, they'll pick apart what the reasoning for,

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00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 4: and there's an argument saying, oh it was it was

853
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 4: just my chance, it was unrelated, unrelated, and that they

854
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 4: were really that really makes my head want to spin

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00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 4: and it gets me really, really angry. This is where

856
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: I get really activated, because it's eleven states that have

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00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 4: bathroom bills.

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Speaker 1: And.

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00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: Come on, like, where is where is the straight man

860
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 4: in a wig who's showing up and walking into a

861
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: women's bathroom? I just don't see it. And so again

862
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 4: heavy heart with next day, they had a great rally

863
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 4: at Stonewall. The other day, Sara Ramirez was out there

864
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: on the megaphone and to the listeners with queer kids

865
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 4: or queer people in your family or friends, and especially

866
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 4: as we approach the political season, please listen to them.

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00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 4: As we edge closer and as we get more entrenched

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Speaker 4: into what likely will be the ugliest political season we've

869
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Speaker 4: ever seen in our lifetime.

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Speaker 3: And deep breath, everybody just signed.

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Speaker 4: Everybody, you please exercise and find the things that that

872
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 4: make you feel feel better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 4: Sorry, I told her I was gonna come in here

875
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 4: and bring sunshine.

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Speaker 2: You know, but these are also important issues that we

877
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 2: are in a huge political year, and I know one

878
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: of your messages is to do the research, be aware,

879
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 2: and to vote.

880
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 4: More importantly, that's it, hands down, vote, don't get donka.

881
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 4: I know nobody is excited about either of these candidates.

882
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 4: You still need to vote.

883
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 5: Vote.

884
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Speaker 1: You know what, how do you have a conversation about

885
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: Because there are people in other parts of the well meaning,

886
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: good folks who have whatever reason they have for being

887
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: against whether if it's for a bathroom bill or if

888
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: it's against the LGBTQ plus community. I have a problem

889
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: with it. There was something, Mattie, and I was always

890
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: disappointed in my reaction. I wonder what you would have

891
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: said to this guy. I was in Kentucky years ago

892
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: covering a story and I was leaving the hotel, this

893
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: little motel and the a family coming out, white family, parents,

894
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: two little kids. Guy comes up to me, Oh, man

895
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: on TV. It starts talking, nicest guy, We have the

896
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: greatest conversation. They're warm. Oh man, you guys are great.

897
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: Everything's great, nicest guy ever. And then he asked me

898
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: what I was doing in town when I was covering.

899
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Speaker 1: I was covering the story of the woman what's her name?

900
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: The she wouldn't give the marriage licenses to gay couples

901
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: in Kentucky. This was I can't remember her name, but

902
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. I said, I'm there

903
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: to cover that story. And in that moment he switched

904
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: on a dime and he said, you know what, man,

905
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: all that is and gay guys and trans got that

906
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: that's just the guys trying to get into the girl's bathroom.

907
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: So a guy that in that moment I found is

908
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: a really decent guy. It just bo he turned. Now,

909
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: how do you how would you have responded to that

910
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: guy in that moment? And how do we have conversations

911
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: and bring people in who's some are decent folk. We

912
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: can't just assume everybody's a bad person, obviously, and there

913
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: are some terrible folks out there, But what would you

914
00:45:59,280 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: have done in that moment?

915
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Speaker 4: The best piece of advice is from Oprah. You got

916
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 4: to meet them where they are, meet them where they are.

917
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 4: So you really, I mean not like you're gonna sit

918
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: there and talk to this guy for an hour. But

919
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 4: you're a journalist, you know, now, why would you say

920
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 4: that did something happen to you in your past that

921
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 4: it is traumatic that you feel? Can you show me

922
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 4: the sources that this is happening in real time? Again?

923
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: This is why I watched PPS News hour after I

924
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 4: left News. I was like, I am going, I am

925
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 4: going to the source that just makes me not anxious

926
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 4: about the about the world. And yeah, and it really

927
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 4: can be the media's fault. People are choosing, people are

928
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 4: choosing sides. And then even with the with the way

929
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 4: that news is now propagated through TikTok, you cannot learn

930
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 4: about these major global social, economic political issues that are

931
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 4: affecting our world in a thirty second TikTok.

932
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Speaker 1: Right, that's part of the problem. You say you meet them,

933
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: whether are you sit down, you have an hour long conversation,

934
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: But all the conversations we're having are in forty five

935
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: sent clips.

936
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Speaker 2: I know it's hard to change people's minds, and people

937
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: seek out information that reinforces their beliefs instead of challenging

938
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: it or making them see it from another perspective. And

939
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: that's part of the problem, because that's what these news organizations,

940
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: media companies know how to cater to the audience they want,

941
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: and so it's unfortunate. We know, those of us who've

942
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: been in the news business exactly what goes on. It

943
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: is a business, and so unfortunately the information you're getting

944
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily objective or even thought provoking. I love what

945
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: you said, and this is such a good tool for

946
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: anyone who's in any sort of I don't want to

947
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 2: say disagreement or argument, but when you have different points

948
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 2: of view, instead of reacting, defending or telling someone they're wrong,

949
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: be curious about why they think the way they think.

950
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: That is beautiful. I love how you just put that.

951
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: That is really it really is something. If all of

952
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 2: us could do that more, sure there'd be less argument

953
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: and more understanding.

954
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Speaker 4: And I think that's why people come to work out

955
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 4: with us. Sometimes, you know, yeah, it's it's there are

956
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 4: certain days it's you know, it's hard when there's news

957
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 4: about next and now I have to go teach a

958
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 4: thirty minute class and I have to be all rainbows

959
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 4: and butterflies, and but it can be an escape and

960
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 4: if you you can I don't want to say sneak

961
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 4: because that sounds nefarious. You can offer nuggets to people

962
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 4: in a way that and again the sort of the

963
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 4: beauty of my job is unlike a television set or

964
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 4: even if you are listening to those podcast chances are

965
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 4: people who are listening to this and they might be

966
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 4: doing something else right TV, you're cooking, you're kind of

967
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 4: half watching. When you're on that tread with us, I've

968
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 4: got you captive, which is pretty cool, pretty cool, And

969
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Speaker 4: so it's important for it to be palata b liceerly

970
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Speaker 4: and everyone want to say anything that I'm going to

971
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Speaker 4: make somebody turn it off, because even in my own family,

972
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Speaker 4: I have people with completely differing views. But any think

973
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 4: it was Harvey Milk that said, you know, they vote

974
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 4: differently if they know one of us, so you got

975
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Speaker 4: to come out of come out of the closet. Is

976
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 4: like it's a great quote, come out, come out, like

977
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 4: they vote with us if they know us.

978
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Harvey Milk.

979
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: But I do like Milk, so.

980
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: You know, I the one thing I also want to

981
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 2: ask you about, just in terms of fitness, because this

982
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: to me is so important. You very much say that

983
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: you were not into fitness, you didn't like it, you

984
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: didn't want to do it, you wanted nothing, you didn't

985
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: want to be a part of it. And then look

986
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: at you, now, how did you?

987
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 4: What switched? What changed?

988
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: Because so many.

989
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: People out there feel the same way, and on any

990
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: given day, I feel that way today this morning, the

991
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: hits keep coming. But what changed in you? And what

992
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 2: could you what advice could you offer to someone else

993
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: who says, you know what why I don't have time

994
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Speaker 2: and I don't want to do it and it's not

995
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: worth it?

996
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: What changed? And how could someone else learn from what

997
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 3: you did?

998
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 4: I just realized I need to be needed to be

999
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 4: more healthy in my life. I felt like I was

1000
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Speaker 4: kind of living sedentary. I didn't like the way I felt.

1001
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 4: I didn't like the of course that goes hand and hand.

1002
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: I didn't like the way that I looked. And I

1003
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Speaker 4: knew that I had the tools necessary to be able

1004
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Speaker 4: to make a change. And so you do need to

1005
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Speaker 4: find the thing that you love. So like I understand

1006
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Speaker 4: you have this. You both have this really complicated relationship

1007
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 4: with the dreadmill because you know, at the end of

1008
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 4: the day, we're not hamsters. We're just not hamsters, and

1009
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Speaker 4: the tread mill is asking you to be a hamster.

1010
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 4: That's why I love the Peloton tread a lot. That

1011
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 4: sounds really salesy, but no, it's like I get to

1012
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 4: get on that thing, that amazing piece of machinery. And

1013
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 4: if you guys haven't run on the tread plus, by

1014
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 4: the way, the tread plus is like amazing. And you

1015
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 4: get to run with these I mean talk about being inspirational.

1016
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: You know, you get to run with Jess sim So,

1017
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 4: you get to run with Kirsten Ferguson, and you're just like, wow, okay,

1018
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: they are giving me the inspiration, the motivation that I need.

1019
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 4: I realized that once I started to do it, go

1020
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 4: out for my runs, start lifting weights, that yes, I

1021
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 4: loved to see the effect. I was like, oh, hey,

1022
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, nineteen years old in New York City.

1023
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, Tim gonna be hot, right, I wish. But

1024
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Speaker 4: that was just a fun benefit of it. It was

1025
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 4: the I'm pointing to my temple friends listening. It was

1026
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 4: what was happening in my brain. It was my mental health.

1027
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Speaker 4: I said, well, okay. The mental health benefits far outweigh

1028
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 4: even those you know benefits and that you see in

1029
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 4: the mirror. And I will say, and so you need

1030
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 4: to find what you love. If if okay, no shade,

1031
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 4: if you hate the tread, you do not have to

1032
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 4: run on the tread. You can swim, you can do yoga,

1033
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 4: you can do gymnastics, you can walk. Trapeze, you can walk, right,

1034
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 4: So that's did you just throw trapeze? I said?

1035
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: Okay?

1036
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 4: I said trapeze?

1037
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm the only one confused by that.

1038
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 3: Do I incorporate that? It sounds fun?

1039
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 4: Don't they have that? Chelsea?

1040
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: I've always wanted to do that. Thank you, not that.

1041
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 4: Yes, I know where you run, don't see you?

1042
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: I know. Wait, let me ask you this. I know

1043
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: you have an alter ego, Marah Marah thanner.

1044
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about.

1045
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 3: Have you ever run a marathon?

1046
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 4: I have run half marathons? Okay, really right the best?

1047
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 4: So it's half marathons for me. And yeah, you're you're

1048
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 4: learning something. This is I bet you a lot of

1049
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 4: people surprise. I've never run a full marathon. It's on

1050
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 4: the list. Oh wait, you said you want to do Berlin.

1051
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 3: I did Berlin.

1052
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 4: Oh you did Berlin? I did?

1053
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 3: I did Berlin.

1054
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: And yeah, we are now kind of addicted to doing

1055
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 2: at least a marathon a year.

1056
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 4: The vision Board has Chicago, he did, listen, New York.

1057
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 4: I really want done New York twice.

1058
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 2: I've done New York three times, three times, and I've

1059
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: done Chicago once. But I really want I had this

1060
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: in my head that I wanted to do the six Majors,

1061
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: which are in New York, Chicago, Boston, Tokyo, and London.

1062
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 4: Tokyo's this weekend. Bex is there you run with Bes Gentry? Ever, No,

1063
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 4: all right, Becks is amazing.

1064
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 3: But okay, so when's the marathon going to happen?

1065
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: It's possible that it could have might be the Berlin Marathon.

1066
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 4: It all depends because I think I'm going to be,

1067
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 4: you know, kind of busy next year, and i'd like

1068
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 4: to do it before children.

1069
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 3: It's a really good idea.

1070
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 4: So that's right your wedding, Yeah right, So don't mark

1071
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 4: my words here, people.

1072
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: Well, Berlin is fun because when you cross the finish

1073
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: line in a well in New York and other places,

1074
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: what I know, you know what I'm about to say,

1075
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 2: because it was my favorite part of the marathon. They

1076
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 2: don't have water stations or gatorade stations. They have a

1077
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: big thing of beer. So you and honestly, we've talked

1078
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 2: about this before.

1079
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: Sometimes there's nothing better than an ice cold beer after

1080
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 3: a long run twenty six it's I mean, I've got

1081
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 3: southern roots. It comes out sometimes you spit thottle sunflower.

1082
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: Nothing better.

1083
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: Matthew, Well, my dad ran with me, and so did Dicky,

1084
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: and so did my cousin, and we all laid in

1085
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: the grass and drank that beer and just it was

1086
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: the best.

1087
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 4: Reward, best beer you've ever had.

1088
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 3: It was the best beer I ever had.

1089
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: You do in the half coming up the New York City.

1090
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Speaker 4: I'm not signed up for anything right now, but I'm

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Speaker 4: thinking about it. I'm thinking we've been, you know, pretty

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Speaker 4: busy with life and whatnot. So it's it is been

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Speaker 4: on that treadmill a lot.

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Speaker 1: But can I ask about the tree You said tread two.

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Speaker 4: Why the tread plus tread plus why? Oh, it's it's

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Speaker 4: slat belt. It's a very just wonderful cushiony like running

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Speaker 4: on clouds. Its back on the market, and that is

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Speaker 4: I personally, no shade to my colleagues who teach on

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Speaker 4: the bike. The bike is very nice, but the tread

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Speaker 4: plus is like, that's the real that's the real deal

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Speaker 4: for me. My parents, my parents have it. And actually

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Speaker 4: during so right around when we kind of first connected,

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Speaker 4: I mean kind of in the throes of the pandemic,

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Speaker 4: we we got we got scrappy. I mean, kudos to

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00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 4: Peloton for being Okay, what are we gonna do. We

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Speaker 4: set up something like fourteen remote studios in our homes

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Speaker 4: and I went I went home to Rhode Island and

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Speaker 4: taught in my parents' basement on their tread plus And

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00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 4: they have I tell this story so many times and

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00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 4: not the first time Sheild has heard it. My parents.

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00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 4: You know, it's like a drop ceiling or in the basement,

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Speaker 4: it's like maybe a seven foot ceiling on six '

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Speaker 4: one the treads, it's almost like a foot off the ground.

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Speaker 4: So we had to build. We had to we had

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Speaker 4: to literally build a fortified box over me so that

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00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 4: I could teach for the cameras and they could still

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Speaker 4: see my head and I wouldn't crash my head.

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Speaker 1: Into the No.

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Speaker 2: Peloton was a lifeline during the pandemic. I mean it

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Speaker 2: was really, really was. I I never missed a day.

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Speaker 2: I was so thankful for what you all did because

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00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: it was so helpful. I think in the in the pandemic,

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Speaker 2: people either stopped working out altogether and just say effet,

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Speaker 2: or people I got probably the fittest I ever was

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Speaker 2: during a pandemic. But it was in large part to

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Speaker 2: you and to your colleague. So thank you.

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Speaker 4: That means, that means a lot. We hear that, We

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Speaker 4: hear that a lot, and it's great because we formed

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00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 4: those really wonderful relationships with people, and we do. Like

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00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 4: that's the thing. It's not just like a one way thing.

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00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 4: I answer my DMS and I see the comments and

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00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 4: I know who's been taking my classes for six years

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00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 4: and I know who had a baby. That sounds creepy,

1134
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 4: but like, no, you do. They celebrate people posts. You know,

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00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 4: you're just you all get inbound, you know, And it's

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00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 4: that's the that's the best part of it. It's there's

1137
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 4: a a tried and true, authentic relationship building aspect to

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Speaker 4: the job.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, last to wrap from me here, not

1140
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Speaker 1: quite a not quite rapid fire, but there's something I'm

1141
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: sure people are curious about you or your health and

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Speaker 1: your fitness. So I'll start with this. How many hours

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00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: of sleep a night? Do you get?

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00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 4: Eight?

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00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: You get eight?

1146
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 4: No matter what?

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00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: All right, so you get in So that's bedtime and

1148
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: what and up at what time?

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00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 4: We're usually in bed by ten? Do do my math right?

1150
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 4: And like six fifteen?

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Speaker 1: Yeaheah? What's your favorite shoe to run in?

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Speaker 4: Oh? I'm wearing them right now. And I didn't do

1153
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 4: this on purpose, but these are my Brooks. These are

1154
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 4: actually the new Brooks glicerin stealth Fit twenty ones. Fantastic.

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Speaker 4: I really flat foot, Like I kid you not there

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00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 4: when I you know, you go in the pool and

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00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 4: you you see your footprint?

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Speaker 3: How's that when you wear heels?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I know, well size fourteen, you know? So, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I need like a fortified arch, I need a I

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Speaker 4: need a chunky I need a I need a chunky wedge.

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Speaker 4: So you continue, so yeah, but yeah, I love I

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Speaker 4: love the Brooks. That's not an endorsement, but it is

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Speaker 4: what I'm wearing today, and I.

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Speaker 1: Do love these glass She jumped in because the heels

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Speaker 1: question is not well, I didn't know that. The other

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Speaker 1: thing your diet. Do you always get in three meals

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Speaker 1: a day? And what type of things are you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I try, I try, and again, I'm always like

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Speaker 4: cautious because as you know, it's it's so customed to

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00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 4: each and every every every person is different when I

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Speaker 4: eat versus what you eat. You, I know. The grossest

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Speaker 4: thing that I do, Sure, I do. This is the

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00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 4: browest thing that I do. I chug egg whites in

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Speaker 4: the morning. Wow, I do? I do? I get that

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Speaker 4: Trader Joe's. I know, I know the faces in this room.

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Speaker 4: I know, and you know what, It's fine. You just

1178
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Speaker 4: plug your nose and it tastes like milk. And then

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Speaker 4: and then I do my my ag one and then

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Speaker 4: I drink my coffee. After I do the I wait

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Speaker 4: for the coffee so you don't have the crash.

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Speaker 1: Wait a second, you put in egg whites something and

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00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: then coffee in the morning.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, And then I teach, Wow, when's the bathroom?

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Speaker 3: It happens at some point. It happens at that point.

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Speaker 1: Some point.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes we're surprised.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm done with and.

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Speaker 1: Scene.

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Speaker 2: You know, I am just so happy to finally meet

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00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: you in person, and I knew you were going to

1192
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 2: be this amazing.

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Speaker 3: Just bright light.

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Speaker 2: And uh, it's just an honor to be able to

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Speaker 2: actually get to sit down with you hear your story,

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Speaker 2: and I just you know, want to thank you. I

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Speaker 2: think on behalf of all the people who watch you,

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Speaker 2: follow you, are inspired by you and work out because

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Speaker 2: of you. I know you know you've changed lives and

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Speaker 2: you're still doing it. So your purpose. I love that

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Speaker 2: you switched your career because you wanted to have an impact.

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Speaker 2: You're doing that. And thank you for sharing all of

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Speaker 2: this with us and with everyone listening.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. You both are wonderful and I really appreciate

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01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 4: it's such an honor to be here.

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Speaker 1: Well, Matthew Thomas, Folks, you can catch him at.

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Speaker 3: Matthew Thomas.

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Speaker 2: You're like, you're the opposite of Matthew Thomas.

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Speaker 1: But no, what is the message to end on this?

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Speaker 1: What he wrote to you and you said he wanted

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Speaker 1: to be the light? What was the he used a phrase?

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Speaker 4: I said, I'm bringing some sunshine. Listened to the past

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Speaker 4: two episodes, there are a lot of feelings. I said,

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Speaker 4: well listen, if if you didn't want me to, if

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Speaker 4: you didn't want feelings. In today's episode, you shouldn't have

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Speaker 4: brought me in, and we brought some feelings.

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Speaker 1: But she spoke of it in a way that he

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Speaker 1: is going to light the place up with his energy

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Speaker 1: and with positivity. And there were even a couple of questions.

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Speaker 1: I was about to ask you, and I switched him

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Speaker 1: up to make sure it wasn't a downer or I

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01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: wanted you to criticize something. But you talk about toxic positivity.

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Speaker 3: Is that a thing?

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's totally Oh that's because it's disingenuous. It's disingenuous

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Speaker 4: and it's and people see right through it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you can't always be that happy.

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Speaker 4: You can't be happy. I I use I use you

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Speaker 4: know this analogy of you know, it's like it's if

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Speaker 4: you're an optimistic person on a cloudy day, you know

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01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 4: that the sun is still beyond the clouds. You know

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01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 4: that sun's gonna come out. That's about being an optimistic person.

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Speaker 4: People say, oh, mad, you're you're so happy. How do

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01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 4: you stay so happy? I'm oh, believe me. I have

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Speaker 4: voodoo dolls at home.

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Speaker 1: I should we should add how do you do it?

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Speaker 1: And the

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Speaker 3: Pat the patent