WEBVTT - Ep. 300: Should've Been Clay 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.760 This is the me Eat podcast coming at you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.120 severely bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening Hunt 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:21.880 E podcast. You can't predict anything presented by first, like 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:26.680 creating proven versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:38.120 technical outerwear for every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer, everybody. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.360 You're joining us from the banks of the Niobrara River, right, 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:49.640 that's right near its confluence with the aptly named do 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:54.160 Your Creek. Yes, it does flow into it, not far 0:00:54.400 --> 0:01:00.800 from a bridge where none other than Buffalo Bill Buffalo 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:04.880 Bill Cody was probably photographed. Is he the same as 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:09.720 wild Bill? No? No, that's Hiccock right, wild Bill Hiccock. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.040 What was wild Bill Hiccock colden when he died the 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:19.560 dead Man's hand yep, Yeah, But what was it? And 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:24.160 what was the fifth card? I do not know that one. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.560 Some historians argue he had a seven of Hearts or 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:31.959 something like that. Not a cool card. I thought it 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:33.840 was a full house. The interesting thing about the Nile 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:35.720 Brier River where we're sitting right now is if we 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.800 looked out the window and saw one, it would be 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.840 on the wrong side of the river forest. It'd have 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.800 to run through the yard to jump that river to 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.480 be in our hunt zone. And we're actively hunting right now, 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.960 taking a break. We are keep this tight. We got 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.240 unfinished business. The last evening of our hunt, Clay got 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:01.040 a deer first, too quick, a little too quick. It 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.640 feels bad. But he's got survivor's guilt. I really, he's 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.400 got a conversion of survivor's guilt. And he's writing a 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.720 song called should have been Me? Why isn't it the 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.399 Why would it be that? Um? I think the song 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.080 should be it should have been Steve? Well, what should 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.200 have been you? Well, it's actually favorable to you because 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.880 as we're so the way this farm sets up, Steve 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.880 has been off hunting, and because I've filled my buck 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:30.400 tag and we can't come back to that, and we 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:32.480 have been like a mile and a half away on 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:37.120 a hilltop, watching you hunt and watching deer and watching 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.840 what's going on. And just a phrase that comes out 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.520 of my mouth to Dirt is it should have been 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.400 me down there on the battlefield. It should have been you. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.200 It should have been you. It should have been you 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.920 up here taking it easy. Me and Dirt having the 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:58.520 time of our life, just drinking coffee, writing songs, just 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.240 living in the glory of a filled buck tag because 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.000 because this but I feel like the buck was rightfully 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.800 yours because on the first morning, Jordan took you to 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.240 the honey hoole and she put me in, you know, 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:15.320 honey Hoole number two. Okay, you feel that that's what happened, yea. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:20.320 And here's why I don't think that's what happened, because 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.800 she also goes and hunts that spot. Oh, I just killed. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.240 It's not like she's like she I feel it's like 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.959 a toss up. Well no, and she rightfully should have 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:34.000 took you there. I mean, it's like there's always I know, honey, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.320 there's always the best spot, okay, And she took you 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.600 to the best spot, and y'all saw a buck that morning. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.760 And then that afternoon we had a guest come into 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.400 the camp and there was some decisions made, and you 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:50.480 wanted to go for a walk in the guests best interest. Yeah, 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.800 I know. And that's why it should have been me. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.840 That's why you got Survivor's guild. Yeah. And so they 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.160 sent so Jordan's sent me back to where she was 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.600 gonna where he was gonna sit and I mean, like clockwork, 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.680 this really nice ten point buck came out, incredible, hunt 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.920 deer came in, killed the deer. So I mean I'm 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.320 calling I called the buck Steve's buck. That's a good 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.560 name for it. Steve for short, and then Steve and 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.000 then Steve's. You know, we've we've struggled. We just hadn't 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.920 killed a deer yet. So that's all joined also by Chester. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:29.039 Chester's here. Chester's learning. Uh, he's learning a new song. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.000 Tell everybody what song you gonna learn from me? Eat Chester? 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.760 It is tonight we ride, you know, and you're gonna 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.720 put put put. Uh, He's gonna put the who you 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.600 up a song on? On? Hold? Yep, that's a Tom 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.120 Russell song. Oh, I's just tell him Clay about Tom 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:48.680 Russell Man. Violent songs, definitely violent dirts here and then 0:04:49.360 --> 0:05:02.040 Who's always say, uh, okay, it is a handful things, 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:03.720 oh dirt right off the bat. We gotta talk about 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.400 w D forty. So listen, that's a great story. Get 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:07.800 your thing out, Get your thing out. I don't know 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.200 what you're talking about. We're sitting there up at uh 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.120 my new mechanic, my new outboard motor mechanic, and catch 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:25.680 can Alaska. Tyler that catch Cancanda advised us too, when 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.320 you win a rising, your motors, when you're a rising, 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.320 your engines to take the cowling off and hose everything 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:36.800 in there with w D forty. Okay, yep. So Dirt 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.720 was doing a little winter rizing and I instructed him 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.200 to do this. He came to me and and and 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.919 I I tried to to to please him with some 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.320 trivia in which I asked if he knows about the 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.440 w D N w D forty stands for and I didn't, 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.839 but you you didn't, and I said, He said water displacement. 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.880 Then Dirt said w D at least Dirts like, well, 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.680 I'll give you a little known fact. He's like, you're 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.360 not the only one who knows little known facts. Dirt says, 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.080 W four. He is not actually a lubricant, just a 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.760 water repellent. It's just a water repellent, to which I said, 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:16.760 that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And as an example, 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:21.320 I said, Dirt, imagine you have a rusty hinge and 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:27.520 you put it in a kiln for a decade no moisture, 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:33.599 so it's is dry for nine years and three hundred 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.960 and sixty four and a half days, it's been as 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:40.640 dry as could possibly be dry, and you pull the 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:45.000 hinge out and hose it down with w D. Dirt 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.240 is saying that it won't make a difference. That caused 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.600 me some pause, because that would work so well. This 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.080 is the thing I find useful Dirt is I like 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.080 to think when I'm trying to think of something right 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.520 or wrong or whatever, I think of it in total extremes. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:05.159 It's helpful. Yeah, that's good Dirt. Then it's on his mind. 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.719 A few days goes by and he comes up to 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:14.280 me to prove his point, and he has a screenshot 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:18.480 of an article he found online, very gloatingly, which said 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.760 he's all proud of it. He's all proud of it, 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.840 and it says w D forty is not a lubricant 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:28.120 in bold letters. And what he hadn't noticed them is 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:32.040 he was on a site of myths, and he hadn't 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.440 notice that the sentence he was pointing out to me 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:41.680 was preceded by the word myth, which Clay realized that 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:46.640 since Dirt's name is dirt myth, Clay thought Clay thinks 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.280 that Dirt thought it was his own quote because it 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.560 says myth col and dirts like see here right here 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:59.360 is me saying he smartphones man. Or it was saying, um, hey, 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.680 Durt myth. This yeah, it was like smith. It would 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.440 have been like play and then it told me something 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:10.400 really good. So just yeah, it's confusing when your name 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.200 is dirt myth. But the bottom of the fact of 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.120 the matter is it is just so folks don't get confused. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:20.560 It is lubricant because they read great risk of being 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.080 confused and dig into it was only a water repellent. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:30.040 It's also great for removing stickers. Oh really from Chester's 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:34.720 desk or something. If you want to remove a sticker, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.240 use w D on your car, on your windows, what 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.600 your computer? Why would I want to remove a sticker? 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.120 I love my dad. That the buff I mean if 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:49.120 you had someone take off there. I don't want to 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.320 be responsible for like ruining people's computers. But you know 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.720 I've used it on windows and glass cars. Chester's onto 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:59.800 his ninth nickname in a month. It's all set chat, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:05.600 all set chat, set chat, all set chet. Oh here's 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:09.000 the thing. Uh so Thanksgivings coming, and as we all know, 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.000 Thanksgiving is only there for one purpose to give us 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:16.119 a Black Friday. Right, So Black Friday so day after Thanksgiving, 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.160 and it's not It's become like a day where everybody 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.240 likes to buy a bunch of stuff. So if you 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:25.000 go on now the very hot highest selling fuds calendar, 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.640 if you go onto the Meat Eater store and make 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.880 a purchase on Black Friday, We're gonna give you the 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:37.400 left up old deer stands calendar for free. Oh we 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.000 got some good ones lately. One is one that beavers 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.560 cut down to cut down the stand, and another one 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.240 is a tree that got struck by lightning and the 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.880 lightning peels all the bark off down the tree and 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.560 ends at the seat. Yeah, you'd have been a dead man. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.559 And it kind of welded the stand up a little bit. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.520 I'm gonna put that on Instagram. Do you think that 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:00.280 the lightning used to stand as a conductor. I think 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:01.760 it was something like that, and I think it probably 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.800 went the other way. But if you look at it 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.880 looks like this like bolt because it like speeled the 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.480 bark off and it sort of ends at the stand, 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.400 So almost rather than being what it was stand got 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.160 struck and then went up the tree, it looks like 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.600 it's somehow like came down the tree and split the 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.600 would be hunter's head and half had you been sitting there? 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:27.079 Uh so your left up old deer stands calendar free 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:32.760 um and also this new rifle sculpts. We got uh 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:37.040 hundred bucks off Vortex diamondback three by five to ten 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:41.840 by fifty so the perfect all purpose rifle scope. Got 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:46.120 it from bucks Off plus has t shirts, hoodies all 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.439 fifty off. And then we're bundling our very rare meat 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.280 crafty knife with some of our books. Go check that 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.720 stuff out. Okay, Clay, ready for this thing out of Vermont. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.920 See people think that everyone Veront just sits around eating 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.280 Ben and Jerry's all the time, but it's not. They fight. 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:03.760 I didn't know about this Vermont. I feel like I'm 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.520 the only guy in the planet didn't know about what's 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.880 brewing in Vermont between the hound hunters and the non 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.640 hunt honors. Right here, this is the funny part here. 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.240 I know about this only because a listener of this 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:22.120 show wrote in saying that we should take the gold 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:27.600 Shaw what's the guy's thing Shaw gold gold Shaw Farm. 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.440 I don't know. Come on, Clay, sorry man, I told you, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.000 like a week ago, we're gonna be talking about this 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:37.280 gold Shaw farm. He wrote in being like, man, you 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.040 should really have a solidarity with the gold Shaw Farm 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.040 guy because it's making Houners look bad. And I was like, oh, 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:48.080 what what's this now? This guy's this guy is so online, 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:51.400 so online. There's a there's what we're gonna talk about 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:52.880 here for a minute. We got a story that that 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:54.840 we had a story on a week's like three weeks ago, 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.320 Spencer had a someone do a story on it for 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.680 at the Mediator dot com and go read the story 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:06.040 about this hound hunting scandal, bear hunting scandal. Let me 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:07.920 give you a basic and this is the best I understand. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.040 I've aready heard of. This guy. God bless him. Uh 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:17.160 you can't see him has an extraordinary uh some similarity 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.480 to jay Leno, like if jay Leno had a kid. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:26.439 He apparently he uh grew up a city slicker working 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.880 various jobs and and then he's like, I'm gonna go 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:35.319 to Vermont have a farm. So, in the great tradition 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.080 of people who give up the urban lifestyle to go 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:42.240 have a farm, he starts a YouTube channel um and 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:44.959 makes video Here's some of his videos. He's got a 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:49.440 video called Puppy Versus Geese. He's got a video called 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.360 my farm dog shot this video. He's got one called 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.560 the Duckling who thought she was a goose. He's got 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:02.680 livestock guard puppy moves to duck farm. My old barn 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.360 cat hates my guard dog, and I risked my life 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:10.040 feeding these goslings. Uh. So he goes about his business. 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.280 It's like his business like he makes I think in 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.720 all fairings, you say he makes like cute, cute farm videos. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:23.280 One day, a couple of local old timers show up 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:28.880 at his door, knock on his door, and they say, 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:36.480 are bear hounds. Chase the bear onto your property? Is 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:42.880 it okay? If we go onto your property? He says, 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.000 to retrieve their get the doc. He says, you're no way, 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.360 no how, I'm going to hurt the bear, which is 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:57.000 his right, totally his right, okay. And he says, I 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:00.200 will escort you to get your dogs, at which point 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.400 he decides, because he's in the business of making these 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:07.080 little videos. At this point he decides to start filming. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:13.280 This gentleman, gets his name, publishes his name, and films 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:14.760 the guy. So a guy comes up to the house, 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:19.200 like like, imagine someone coming to your house to just 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:23.480 have a conversation about a problem, and your response is 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.200 to start filming them as they go about their business. 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:30.960 And is this a good place to to say that 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.480 the guy, what the guy's motives were, and how are 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.800 you getting all that next? It's a hard story to tell. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:41.440 He's got so many components. Vermont has a law which 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:42.920 I don't know. I'm not even a post. It's called 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:47.360 right to retrieve. They have a law that's beyond that. 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:52.800 If land's not posted, it's open. A landowner has an 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:58.360 obligation to post their land. Okay, this guy's land, this 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:07.560 guy's duck farm isn't properly posted. So the technically the 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:12.520 hound hunter didn't need to come talk to him. He 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.000 could have just gone and got his dog, could have 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.400 gone and gotten his dogs without breaking a law because 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.880 land wasn't properly posted. But he doesn't want to do 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.200 that because it's not gentlemanly. He's gonna go like a 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:26.200 grown up and talk to the landowner. That guy's got 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:30.680 good etiquette, good great chetot the downs check a story. 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:39.080 So the duck guy is real bent out of shape 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.560 about this because he points out. He's like, it would 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.840 be too hard. I think he's got a hundred sixty acres. 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.160 It would be too hard to post my land properly. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:53.120 But I'm like, if if you're make a YouTube video 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.720 about it, if you you gonna have a video like 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.240 me and my dog post my land, it's good marketing. Yeah. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.200 And then he'd had to be careful though, because while 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.760 he's posting the land with his dog, he needs to 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.920 be very careful that his dog doesn't walk on the 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.680 wrong side of a tree, at which point he'd be 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.160 guilty too of having his dog on someone else's property. 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.000 But let's just trust that his dog has always had 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.840 tremendous fidelity to this hundred sixty acres, never went off 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:28.280 the hundred sixty acres. He says, Uh, the problem is 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:36.240 dogs don't know when they're on private property. Ergo that's Latin. Therefore, 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.440 ergo you should not be able to hunt with hounds 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:44.320 in the state of her mind and has now gotten 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.200 hundreds of thousands of signatures on some petition to ban 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:53.160 hound hunting in Vermont because he's so concerned that a 0:16:53.400 --> 0:17:00.560 dog would come on his land. Icky dog on his land, 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:06.040 I mean come on it's wild. What's also so puzzling 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.000 about it is this whole thing of like I moved 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.040 to the country to be like a country person, but 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:15.600 I sure hate what these country people were up to, right, Yeah, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.400 you know that's that's the thing is that And you've 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.119 heard you've heard the phrase that people left where they 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:24.600 came from because they didn't like it and try to 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.040 make it like where they came from when they move 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.639 to where you are. You know. But what I was 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.280 talking about the right to retrieve. There are some states 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:36.480 that have how honey laws to have a right to 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.240 retrieve law because these are tree dogs. So a tree 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.159 dog scent trails game until that animal runs up a 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:44.879 tree that could be a raccoon, that could be a 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:49.159 bear other And and the right to retreat means if 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.800 your dogs are treat you have the right to You 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:53.639 can't take a firearm, but you have the right to 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.359 cross get your dogs. And you know, here here's the 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:01.280 thing that is. Yeah, that's a slight be slightly intrusive 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:06.760 to some people's ideas of private property, But when you 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.840 look at the broad macro picture of North American hunting 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:14.560 and even human existence on planet Earth, people's connection to 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.160 hunting dogs. I'm getting to the point where I'm saying 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:22.080 that it is a it is a legitimate argument that 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.840 it is almost a human right to express part of 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.160 our humanity by hunting with dogs. I mean, there's arguments 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.480 that put that unchanged that organ be in Jordan's they 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.840 were talking about how come everything unchanged that organ is annoying, 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.920 not anoying, and change that organ and make that like 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.840 a thing that's unchanged that way. Well, so just the 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.960 so here's all that I'm saying is that people should 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:50.760 make a place in their world where it's okay for 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.000 a houndsman to go get his dogs if your dogs 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.440 get on your land. In Arkansas, the old time farmers 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:01.400 that have long history in our region in the Ozarks, 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.800 they just kind of know that coon hunters might come 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.160 on their land at different times during the winter. That's 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:08.720 part of his thing that he's all been out of 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.399 shape about. This is like the guy that came to 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.080 his door to go get his dogs and on his 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.760 property was the last straw. The first straw being a 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.440 night some raccoon guys had some dogs barking on his place, 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.000 and he got his dog to barking and that is 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:26.920 just unacceptable when you're a real farmer. That it's just 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:32.040 a bridge too far. The other thing, he's like, I 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.399 you know, he's like, oh, I'm not against hunting. Come on, 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:37.240 I hope he comes on the show. This is an 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.320 honest thing. I know someone will send this is he'll 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:41.879 someone will send us to him. I would love to 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:43.479 have him on the show and tell me where I'm 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:47.359 getting this wrong. I mean a totally friendly way, like 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.399 I won't be like I got you deal, It'll just 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:52.080 be like I'd be like, Okay, tell me the story 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.720 just so I understand it better, like what like what happened? 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.399 Because he also gets into like he's not opposed to hunting, 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.560 he's not opposed to using bird dogs, but somehow he 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.119 doesn't like hound hunting because the hounds have a tracking 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.280 collar and you're not close to them, and so he 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:08.600 kind of turns into like a fair chase thing for 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.320 him as well. But I mean, aren't his ducks are 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.200 in a pen? What are their odds of getting away? 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.919 Do a lot of them get away? You know, people 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:24.400 people use people use the GPS thing as a way 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:28.280 to talk about fair chase with hounds, and I think 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.200 it's I think it's bunk because we use technology and 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.320 every other part of our life and even in every 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:40.320 other part of hunting to make the process safer, more efficient, easier, 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.359 more educational. Point out, because you're gonna go after you're 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:46.440 not You're not gonna go after trail camps. You're gonna 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.760 make it. I don't even have to go there. But 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.000 I'm just saying no, no, no, no, no, don't no, 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.000 don't let me start to make the point well, which 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.080 I was just getting excited. I was getting excited about 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.920 your point. I could I could give a thousand reasons 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:02.200 why GPS collars on doll dogs make it less likely 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.840 that you're gonna lose your dogs less so it's good 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:06.440 for the dog. It's safer for the dog. And he 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.719 cares a lot about dogs because he's got a lot 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:10.240 of stuff about his dog on his thing, so I 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.119 would think he'd want these dogs to make it home 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.520 to cuddle at night. If he cares about his dogs, 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.600 he will put a GPS call. Doesn't care about dogs, 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.200 so they won't cross the highway. I can tone my 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.840 dogs back off of private land. My dog's tree on 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.960 another piece of property, I can tone and tone doesn't 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.920 mean shock them. Tone means just beat their collar and 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.480 they will come back to me. A lot of really, 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.280 a lot of houndsmen have that capacity of their dogs 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.000 to long range. Give commands to their dogs that will 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.280 cause him to come back. Um. So this whole idea 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.440 that you know, GPS makes it not fair, Chase is 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:47.680 not is not Okay. I got another point about this 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:49.560 whole thing that the hopefully we can have this guy 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:51.719 in the show, we can ask them about not too 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:53.440 long ago, my kids were out shooting their bowls in 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:58.480 the yard and they're not they're not above just letting 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:00.400 one flying out and then to see what happened. Well 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.320 he I don't know. He had a whole thing about 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:06.479 what happened, but long and short of it is, they 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:10.639 launched the one and stuck it into the neighbor's garage. Okay, 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:16.240 out of stickboat. He didn't want to do this, but 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:18.520 I said, you're gonna go over and you're gonna knock 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:20.040 on that man's door. And I know the guy, he's 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.680 an admirable guy. I'm like, you're gonna knock on his door, 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.520 You're gonna tell him, you gotta tell him something, and 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:28.280 you're gonna take him and show him the arrow in 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:32.399 the garage. And I knew already know the guy, so 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:34.600 I know the guy is not he's cool and he's 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.440 gonna be like he's gonna deep down think it's funny. 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:40.680 But like so I'm not sending him into dany like 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.240 if I had any question, I wouldn't have done it. 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:45.919 But I you know what I mean, I know how 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:47.480 it'll be. I know how it'll go, and it'll be 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:49.119 a good lesson for him to go and fess up 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:53.960 in his body. My kid's buddy already took off crying. 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:57.639 Woman like the woman. My kids are out there and 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.240 his buddy's crying, and his buddy rides off on his bike. 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:07.960 I mean, what happened? And Jimmy's like, and you're going 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:13.440 over there right now, friend or no friend? Okay? Imagine 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:16.320 that that that he'd gone over to knock on the door, 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.359 and the guy that answered the door answers with a 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:25.280 cell phone and shames Jimmy and records him and then 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:30.720 records him going around to show the arrow, records him apologizing, 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:34.840 and then goes and post it to YouTube and says, 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:38.240 this is a boy named Jimmy and here's roughly where 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.439 he lives. Here's how to find him. He's a danger 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:45.639 with his arrows, complete disregard for human safety. And it 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:49.680 made my dog bark. No one would do that to 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:55.960 a person. Yeah, it's a war on Christmas. It's like, 0:23:58.280 --> 0:23:59.879 I'm gonna get all round up about it. But just 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.760 like it just burns me. Man, Well then what the 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:06.280 neighbor do? Though, when Jimmy confessed, just what I thought, 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:09.320 So he thought it was funny. But okay, I just 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:14.400 don't shoot the ground anymore, like I said, it wasn't 0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:20.040 like let me let me say something about So there's 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:23.679 this thing that there's a trend that happens with social 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:29.120 media and with where there's these isolated incidents that make 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:31.760 and it's a lot of times hound hunting look really 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:35.360