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Speaker 1: You're joining us from the banks of the Niobrara River, right,

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Speaker 1: that's right near its confluence with the aptly named do

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Speaker 1: Your Creek. Yes, it does flow into it, not far

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Speaker 1: from a bridge where none other than Buffalo Bill Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bill Cody was probably photographed. Is he the same as

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Speaker 1: wild Bill? No? No, that's Hiccock right, wild Bill Hiccock.

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Speaker 1: What was wild Bill Hiccock colden when he died the

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Speaker 1: dead Man's hand yep, Yeah, But what was it? And

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Speaker 1: what was the fifth card? I do not know that one.

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Speaker 1: Some historians argue he had a seven of Hearts or

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Speaker 1: something like that. Not a cool card. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a full house. The interesting thing about the Nile

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Speaker 1: Brier River where we're sitting right now is if we

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Speaker 1: looked out the window and saw one, it would be

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Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the river forest. It'd have

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Speaker 1: to run through the yard to jump that river to

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Speaker 1: be in our hunt zone. And we're actively hunting right now,

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Speaker 1: taking a break. We are keep this tight. We got

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Speaker 1: unfinished business. The last evening of our hunt, Clay got

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Speaker 1: a deer first, too quick, a little too quick. It

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Speaker 1: feels bad. But he's got survivor's guilt. I really, he's

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Speaker 1: got a conversion of survivor's guilt. And he's writing a

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Speaker 1: song called should have been Me? Why isn't it the

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Speaker 1: Why would it be that? Um? I think the song

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Speaker 1: should be it should have been Steve? Well, what should

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Speaker 1: have been you? Well, it's actually favorable to you because

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Speaker 1: as we're so the way this farm sets up, Steve

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Speaker 1: has been off hunting, and because I've filled my buck

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Speaker 1: have been like a mile and a half away on

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Speaker 1: what's going on. And just a phrase that comes out

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Speaker 1: of my mouth to Dirt is it should have been

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Speaker 1: me down there on the battlefield. It should have been you.

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Speaker 1: It should have been you. It should have been you

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Speaker 1: up here taking it easy. Me and Dirt having the

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Speaker 1: time of our life, just drinking coffee, writing songs, just

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Speaker 1: living in the glory of a filled buck tag because

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Speaker 1: because this but I feel like the buck was rightfully

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Speaker 1: honey Hoole number two. Okay, you feel that that's what happened, yea.

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Speaker 1: And here's why I don't think that's what happened, because

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Speaker 1: It's not like she's like she I feel it's like

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Speaker 1: a toss up. Well no, and she rightfully should have

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Speaker 1: there's always the best spot, okay, And she took you

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Speaker 1: And then that afternoon we had a guest come into

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Speaker 1: wanted to go for a walk in the guests best interest. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know. And that's why it should have been me.

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Speaker 1: That's why you got Survivor's guild. Yeah. And so they

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Speaker 1: name for it. Steve for short, and then Steve and

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Speaker 1: Chester's here. Chester's learning. Uh, he's learning a new song.

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Speaker 1: Tell everybody what song you gonna learn from me? Eat Chester?

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Speaker 1: put put put. Uh, He's gonna put the who you

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Speaker 1: up a song on? On? Hold? Yep, that's a Tom

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Speaker 1: Russell song. Oh, I's just tell him Clay about Tom

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Speaker 1: Russell Man. Violent songs, definitely violent dirts here and then

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Speaker 1: Then Dirt said w D at least Dirts like, well,

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Speaker 1: water repellent. It's just a water repellent, to which I said,

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Speaker 1: I said, Dirt, imagine you have a rusty hinge and

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Speaker 1: to think when I'm trying to think of something right

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Speaker 1: says myth col and dirts like see here right here

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Speaker 1: It's also great for removing stickers. Oh really from Chester's

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Speaker 1: I love my dad. That the buff I mean if

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Speaker 1: I've used it on windows and glass cars. Chester's onto

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Speaker 1: his ninth nickname in a month. It's all set chat,

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Speaker 1: the thing. Uh so Thanksgivings coming, and as we all know,

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is only there for one purpose to give us

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Speaker 1: a Black Friday. Right, So Black Friday so day after Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: and it's not It's become like a day where everybody

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Speaker 1: likes to buy a bunch of stuff. So if you

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Speaker 1: go on now the very hot highest selling fuds calendar,

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Speaker 1: if you go onto the Meat Eater store and make

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Speaker 1: left up old deer stands calendar for free. Oh we

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Speaker 1: Uh so your left up old deer stands calendar free

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Speaker 1: um and also this new rifle sculpts. We got uh

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Speaker 1: See people think that everyone Veront just sits around eating

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Speaker 1: at the Mediator dot com and go read the story

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Speaker 1: about this hound hunting scandal, bear hunting scandal. Let me

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Speaker 1: I've aready heard of. This guy. God bless him. Uh

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Speaker 1: to jay Leno, like if jay Leno had a kid.

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Speaker 1: He apparently he uh grew up a city slicker working

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Speaker 1: have a farm, he starts a YouTube channel um and

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Speaker 1: all fairings, you say he makes like cute, cute farm videos.

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Speaker 1: hunter bears a dog? For sure? They not be doing that?

426
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: Is that naughty if they put a collar on it

427
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: because they want it back at night? Yeah, Yeah, here's

428
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: a good story. You get more to say about that, Clay.

429
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm good. That's a little sophisticated for the book of Chetakeo. Yeah,

430
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: you could probably put some kind of short in there,

431
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: like a little bar. The book of Chedaka could have

432
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: a little sidebars, a little things that happened. That would

433
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: be great etiquette. Great etiquette would be if you live

434
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: in a place where they use hunting dogs. If you

435
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: see a hunting dog, what do you do? Say hi

436
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: to it? If you if dogs are on your land, Yeah,

437
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: and typically you don't want to do anything to them.

438
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: If they have if they have a tracking collar, and

439
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: the dog looks in good health, just don't mess with it.

440
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I mean if the dog. Yeah, if the dog,

441
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: somebody knows exactly where that dog is in there trying

442
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: to get it back, if it's in some place it's

443
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: not supposed to be. If the gentleman, if the farmer

444
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: guy at the dark farmer gold Shaw farm, we will

445
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: fly you out. We will put you in a hotel,

446
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: full treatment. Did we give our special do we give

447
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: special guests? Hey, it's a nice package. Mr Goldshaw up

448
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: in a hotel. Come on the podcast, tell the story

449
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: and maybe I'll be like, yeah, you're right, that's a

450
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: good point. I don't remember, did you What about the houseman.

451
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: We're not inviting the houseman. I can't have both ought

452
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: at once. I mean, we already interviewed him for the

453
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: We already interviewed Judge Judy. We'll set and we'll set

454
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: it up like a car. And this guy, I'm not

455
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm all for his story because we already interviewed the houndsman. Yeah,

456
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: we know what he did. I'm just saying he the

457
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: housemand thought he was up stay and he thought he

458
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: was He's the it's everything like, he's the head of

459
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: the local Hundsman's Association, and the the farm guy acted

460
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: condescending about the existence of days. Yes, there actually is

461
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: a thing like that's naughty. It's ignorance. That's the story

462
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: of ignorance. He's a part of the Duck Farmers Association,

463
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 1: and yes there is a thing like Ope, he comes up.

464
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: I'll be way ass nicer, super nice. Do you guys

465
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: listen to the show when you're not here? Where are

466
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: you on the show? When we talked about the alligator

467
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: that had the projectile points in his stomach, which is

468
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: the craziest thing in the world. But I was somewhere

469
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: when I heard that story. Well, I don't know if

470
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: his Prince of Wales or on this trip. Just recently,

471
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: a guy found h alligator's parents. I don't know this

472
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: thing he knows all about. Apparently alligators eat rocks okay

473
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: for their digestion or there something that there's even a

474
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: term for the rock. He was a guy found alligator

475
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: and alligator had full on one or two projectile points

476
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: in his stomach, like ancient stone projectile points. That's interesting.

477
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: Eating junk on the bottom of the swamp. Well, here's

478
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: a weird deal. And there's even a picture of it.

479
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: A fishing guide from montalk rode In he had a

480
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: client in the early two thousand tents he took a

481
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: client cod fishing. One of the clients was Joe Lean

482
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: l e I n Line Lean Joe Lene, Joe Lee.

483
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: That's all I would do when he was around. That's

484
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: his first and last name, Joan Joe Joe Lean l

485
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: e I n. Unfortunately, dude, he's gotta be so sick

486
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: of that joke. Man. Uh, this guy was really cool

487
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: that the guy like joelne a lot, because um, he's

488
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: a client to like to clean everybody's fish just to

489
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: save work for the god. He's cleaning one of the

490
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: cod and find something weird in his stomach and it's

491
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: like he a cod with a big gold nugget in

492
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: its stomach. Wow, someone dropped it. I don't know, like

493
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: a rugged looking gold nugget about half the size of

494
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: the z on a court size zip block bag. That's

495
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 1: an interesting descriptor well, it's because it's in a ziplock

496
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: bagsture in the picture. Oh okay, dang wow. So are

497
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: we going to the question of whose gold nugget is it? Us?

498
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: There's yeah, well there's whose gold sure? I mean, is

499
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: the guy that founded the guy that caught the fish?

500
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: I would say that it's definitely the guy that caught

501
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: the fish. I would say, is the guy who claimed

502
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: it he's doing and the guy who checked his stomach.

503
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: It's not a lot of people. Let's say you meet,

504
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: you're out fishing. We've done that, and you catch catch

505
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: your big halbert and we opened it up and it's

506
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: got a million dollars in it. But I'm the one

507
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: that splits its stomach open. You've caught it. I slit

508
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: his stomach open. But you're saying that that's not my

509
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: million dollars. I think we'd split it, but that'd be

510
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: generous this guy, this guy was putting in a lot

511
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: of effort more than just the one fish, right, I

512
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: bet you if it went to court, like to Judge Judy,

513
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: the gold nugget would go to the fisherman. I think

514
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: so because he owned it was his fish and legally,

515
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 1: like think about illegally, had that fish been taken illegally,

516
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: it would have been his responsibility and it's his legal

517
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: property by like it's it was property to the state

518
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: he caught it. It then transferred to like his legal property.

519
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: That's why I think is to make a great Judge

520
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Judy type figure on the show. That'd be a good show.

521
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: We should judge Stevie, dude, we should make a show.

522
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: It's like just a matter if we can find enough

523
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: people fighting about stuff. Yeah, it sounds like we may

524
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: we may need to take this off of the podcast,

525
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: but this is a good podcast idea something about right

526
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: now you and we just comb the world for people

527
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: and fights about like whose buck is it? Like I

528
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: hit it in the knee and then three days later

529
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: my cousin got it hunting. I feel like it's my

530
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: book hunting spots, Like you know, we're gonna get to

531
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: one of those whom you should hunt here, kind of

532
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: like when Jordan put me in and then and the

533
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: Chatti book could be like the rule book that Steve would. Yeah,

534
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: we can do the whole combo thing. Guess what they

535
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: call that fishing spot now? Joe passed away just recently,

536
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: the angler Joelene Joe Lene passed away. I guess they

537
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: named that fishing spot Joey nuggets. That's the fish spot, dude.

538
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: Nobody's tried to claim the gold nugget. I lost that. No,

539
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: it's not a real descript No, it might be a

540
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: hard sell. You lose the raw material. It's then back

541
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: into the natural world. It's anybody now, my friend, I've

542
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: seen a nugget. I've seen a nugget similar to that.

543
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: And it was my friend uh Ron Layton, who was

544
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: on this show years ago. His late wife Joan had

545
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of gold jewelry, not a bunch of small

546
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: amount of gold jewelry. But their house burnt down and

547
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: Ron went in there after the house burnt down and

548
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: went over to where he figured the jewelry was and

549
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: found a glob of congealed gold that the earrings and

550
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: whatnot had all melted and came in just this like

551
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: kind of amorphous blob of gold, and so Joan drilled

552
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: a whole nat She wore that around her neck. M

553
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: it was Oliver jewelry. That's interesting. Speaking of nuggets, guy

554
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: rolling in, Um, how come people don't eat squirrel nuts

555
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: squirrel oysters. I've never done that, and they're big enough

556
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: for I mean, not a fox squirrel. Yeah, he's saying that,

557
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: talks about how it seems like quite a little morsel,

558
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: and he's wondering if we've ever eaten him, and I like,

559
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: I have not neither. Uh. It takes a lot to

560
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: make a You know, my wife's been shelling a lot

561
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: of peas and beans, and it's amazing how many, how

562
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: big of a pile of beans you gotta get a meal.

563
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: That's a good point. I'm thinking about, like size of

564
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: a bean. I will see the Rocky Mountain testicles. You

565
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: gotta eat them fresh. I got a branding that you

566
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: don't like them frozen. No. We went to that testy

567
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: testical festival that all time, and they'd stockpile for the masses,

568
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,479
Speaker 1: you know, frozen. Yeah, because yeah, they weren't. They didn't

569
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: have that. They had it in September. They didn't. It

570
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: wasn't during Brandon season, and that was different experience from

571
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: I always like those, though not the not the test

572
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: of chicken fried and catch up. Jordan's all about chicken fryed. Yeah,

573
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: they're good, fresh, but not stockpiled and frozen. And I'd

574
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: imagine the same with the squirrels. Jordan, how can you

575
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: never said anything about what your take is about the

576
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: guy that the Because you're you're, you're you come from

577
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: a long line of cattle ranchers, what's your take on

578
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: that whole dog thing? The dog thing? Um, give me

579
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: the landowner perspective, oh man, the land arm perspective. I

580
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: think like you should have. I think you made the

581
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: point you should have like a I want to say,

582
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: a soft spot. But the guys just trying to go

583
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: get his dogs, like he's not gonna trying to do

584
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: anything crazy extra. I mean, I don't think he had

585
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: any he didn't vous motives. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's

586
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: kind of what I think. If yeah, I just I

587
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: hate to return to it. But if the if the

588
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: story had been did all of a sudden the dark guy,

589
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: he's like, come oh oh back and runs back there

590
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: and there's some guys skinning a bear on his property.

591
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: Entirely different, different story, But then it'd come down to

592
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: that posting thing. Either way, that's not We'll not rehash

593
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: all that COVID making the news big time. We see.

594
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: This is where I don't think the show gets enough

595
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: credit because we've been talking about deer having COVID for

596
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: months now. There's all this hooplah, people being like, you

597
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: shouldn't go deer hunt, Beau, You're gonna get COVID from deer.

598
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all don't know. As I can attest, you

599
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: don't need to go deer hunt to get COVID. So

600
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: they're like, this guy's like, I always like to eat

601
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: deer tongues, but now I'm afraid I'm canna get COVID

602
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: from eating the tongue. It's like, I don't know, man,

603
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 1: I just you gotta cook it to us and fifty

604
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: degrees and he kills it. So here's a quote from

605
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 1: our article at the Mediator dot com. Here's a quote

606
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: from it, The risk of why till deer transmitting the

607
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: virus back to humans appears to be low. Although approven

608
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: instance of dear to human transmission is yet to occur,

609
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: the risk must be considered. Hunters should take precautions when

610
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: handling harvests the deer in the field, particularly tissues. Not

611
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: that it's boring. Um, you can wear a glove, you

612
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: can wear a mask when you're it's just come on,

613
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: mm hmm, right, you know, come on. The last thing

614
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: on my mind. True zoonotic diseases. Though the idea that

615
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: they're carrying the same disease to us is is kind

616
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: of spooky because we all know that, like if chronic

617
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: wasting ever transmitted to it would be major. That's why

618
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: I'm a big proponent of doing everything we can to

619
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: slow the spread of chronic wasting disease. Yeah, well, I'm

620
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: just saying that. The here's what. I'm not a doctor.

621
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you knew that. Just I just

622
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: feel personally, I'm at a place and I'm not I'm

623
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: not I'm not going out on a limb here because

624
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: this is a I keep seeing editorials. I even saw

625
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: an editorial in the New York Times basically to this

626
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: point that there's a there will be a point at

627
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: which we've done about everything we can do for covida.

628
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: There's a vaccine. If you want to take it, take it.

629
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: You don't want to take it, that's your call. But

630
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: at a point we're just it. It'll be like the cold.

631
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't, I just I personally, I'm not. I don't

632
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: know anything. I just I don't know what I read.

633
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: I just read stuff and analyze it whatever. I just

634
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: don't think the genie is going back in the bottle

635
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: here now, c w D. That's different. Like I like

636
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: catching COVID from a deer just seems I suppose already

637
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: had it twice anyway, mm hmmis from deer hunts once. Yeah, dude,

638
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for COVID if I get it unvaccinated,

639
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: I got a vaccinated. If you had killed that deer,

640
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: you might have got a COVID third time. But I

641
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: killed it, so I skinned it. You feel I feel good,

642
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: I feel strong. The worry, and this is a legitimate worry.

643
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: The worry is that, um, the worry is that this narrative,

644
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: that there will be this narrative about deer as dangerous

645
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: or deer as you know, you know I'm I'm personally

646
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: anti glove when it comes to skin and stuff. It's

647
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: probably dumb, and I'm ready to I'm ready to change

648
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: if someone gives me the correct, you know, a better perspective.

649
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, Spencer new Heart, he always sends me a

650
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: picture of himself when he gets a deer wearing gloves,

651
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: because I think it just kind of ultimately makes you weak.

652
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: What if you're a great argument, What if you're allergic

653
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: to the deer here, just weak, then you should be

654
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: as funny sas Morris's not here because he's sick, so

655
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: he's weak. He's in a weakened tradition, and Clay has

656
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: revealed his total weakness set is allergic to the dander

657
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: on deer, so he needs the word. Here's my take

658
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: on gloves. As a guy that doesn't wear him. It

659
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: recognizes that you probably should. I can picture a world

660
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: in which you'd regret not having more in gloves, But

661
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: I can't picture world in which you'd regret having warned them.

662
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: This from a man who does not wear them. But

663
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's always in my mind. Yeah, I'll

664
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: warr him if I have to skin um for some reason,

665
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: skin in a fox or kyote makes him put gloves. Well,

666
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, remember Remy Remy Warren was dealing with the

667
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: dead head, had been in the sun a couple of days.

668
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: It was anti glove. Yeah, but gloves wouldn't any difference

669
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: because he cut his hand and just bacterial infection. Though

670
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: he didn't get something blood poison Can you get a disease?

671
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: You got blood poisoning from an old deadhead? But for

672
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: some reason did he start wearing gloves after that when

673
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: he'd processed just put the fear into him. Yeah, that's

674
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. Here's an our dear disease. And this

675
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: is the one seems to not have any implications for

676
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: but but this is gonna Jordan, you'll be able to

677
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: speak to this one. Um episodic hemorrhagic disease e h D,

678
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: which a lot of people in in the hunting communities

679
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: will say like blue tongue, which is like a form

680
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: of or version of, but e h D. Um. If

681
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: you feel like you've been hearing a lot about e

682
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: h D lately, you have. They're pointing out that, uh,

683
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: north northeastern Nebraska had bad h D this year, real

684
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: bad h D this year. Uh, North Dakota had such

685
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: an outbreak they're trying to buy back deer tags right now.

686
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: Jordan lost one of her best bucks, probably to e

687
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: h D. I think probably he was laying next to

688
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: the water. They died by the creek. Wasn't shot. No,

689
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean we haven't found one since, but I just

690
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: have an inkling. North Dakota is trying to buy back

691
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: thirty thousand deer tags in the western part of the state.

692
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: So e h D s is spread by a little gnat,

693
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: like a little midge of some sort. And the reason

694
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: they think it's popping up so bad right now, well,

695
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: says e h D and blue tongue. I I need

696
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: to like take five seconds at some point to understand

697
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: the the differences if there are between h D and

698
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: blue tongue. But it's spread from deer to do er

699
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: by certain biting midges or gnats. There's smaller mosquitoes um

700
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: and water plays into this because the midges are found

701
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: near water and it gives the animal a horrible fever.

702
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: So when there's an e h D outbreak, people find

703
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: all the dead deer out on pond the edges of

704
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: ponds in stock tanks in creeks along creeks, they just

705
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: because they get a horrible fever and try to go

706
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: cool off, and it kills them quick once it sets in.

707
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: But the drought, uh is congregating deer at water, so

708
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: it's it's able to jump more like you have you know,

709
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: isolated water sources. A lot of deer congregating around isolated

710
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: water sources, and so they're all getting infected more. And

711
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: you have it. And the drought is driving work worse

712
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: e H D outbreaks and when you get to e

713
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: H the outbreak a bad one. It's not uncommon to

714
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: carry off the deer's fatal if they get that thing. Yeah, yeah,

715
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: And the incubation period is like five to seven days,

716
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: and once they start getting the effects, it kills them

717
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: within forty eight hours. Laid it off from me again. Uh,

718
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: they said the incubation period could be anywhere. I think

719
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: it said from five to seven days, the internet said,

720
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: and then they start feeling ill and they're dead within

721
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. So I said, when you find them,

722
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: they're they're not. They don't like shrivel up and die

723
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: like they just die. And then the outbreak what what

724
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: ends an outbreak is the onset of sub freezing temperature frost. Yeah,

725
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: you get a frost killed the bugs. What's stopped to

726
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: the hd um North Dakota second straight year that they've

727
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: been buying back, trying to buy back tags. They the

728
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: game and fished. Their department had one thousand reports of

729
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: dead deer after e h D surface in late August.

730
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: I always thought that h D hit harder on high

731
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: water years because there's just more midges. That was my Yeah,

732
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: And it seemed like when I was floating down the river,

733
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: like the what are them? What's that? Those are turkeys?

734
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: Rock for? It's really little short deer still in a

735
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: blacktail mode. Turkey's coming down the creek anyways. Find out

736
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: you have turkey hunts here, right, Jordan Turkey Yeah, spring Mary,

737
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: I kind of want you to not book up that

738
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: one year. I'll hold it here. They come right now,

739
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: people here calling the turkeys. Yeah you can book Yeah,

740
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: you can book a turkey hunt. You' booked out for

741
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: next year, right, booked out for two. Yeah, so this

742
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: upcoming spring, someone can still go to turkey hunt. No,

743
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: I'm full full, but you have room, yes, go on dirt. Sorry,

744
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: oh that's right, you were talking about Turkey's coming down here. Um,

745
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: I was saying floating knock down the Yellowstone high water ears.

746
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: Seems like you'd find mature bucks dead next to the water,

747
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: more so high water ears. I should point out that

748
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: this feller here the veterinarian for the North Dakota Game

749
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: and Fish Wildlife. So they're veterinarian Charlie Barnson, not Charlie Bronson.

750
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: Charlie Barnson. Isn't that that guy from I think of

751
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: the right guy you're thinking of, Charles Bronson? That, yeah,

752
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: not him. This is Charlie Bonson. He's just he's throwing

753
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: it out there. He says, he's said one theory could be.

754
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: So he's not acting like he's got it all figured out.

755
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: He's just you know, making an educated, humble man making

756
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: an educated point here that record breaking heat in October,

757
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: so instead of record breaking cold, which would be killing

758
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: all the midges, it's record breaking heat extended period of time.

759
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: They can get it. And he feels that the drought,

760
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: so record breaking heat in October created conditions favorable to

761
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: midges and more viral spread. And the other thing about

762
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: the low water is just the thing about concentration of

763
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: because it's communicable, right. It's like the same way malaria spreads.

764
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: Like malaria is the mosquito moves from one person to

765
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: the next person. So a mosquito bites a person and

766
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: mosquito bites another person. That's how malarias spread. That makes

767
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: I have a lot more sense. I could see that

768
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: being valid, Like there's more than just a low water

769
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: high water year, because like the river and the creek

770
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: never change, like those water levels never change year to year,

771
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: So it has to be something else to go along

772
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: with it, you know, attempts or yeah, I don't know, man,

773
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: I uh, that would be an interesting conundrum to sell

774
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: back your tag. You want to you want to be

775
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: like a team player, and you know they're there, and

776
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: imagine that you wait and wait and wait, you know,

777
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: and they all sudden like, yeah, I'm going to the

778
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: year man. And it's just to clarify their intent is

779
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: to reduce harvest, not to e H D dear or

780
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: not intend to reduce like that they issued tags like

781
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, ever, you're making an educated guess about. You know,

782
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: you wait as long as you can. Your biologists are

783
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 1: out there doing their surveys you're like looking at conditions

784
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: and at some point you issue tags and you're like, Okay,

785
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: it looks good, we're gonna go with ten thou And

786
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: then what oct people are still buying the tags, right,

787
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: You're like and then all of a sudden they're go

788
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: seventent your deer. But you just you issued tags because

789
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: you thought and so they're going to hit them pretty hard.

790
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: And so then you're like, man, we gotta do something

791
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: to try to rein it back. And you know, they

792
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: put it to you voluntarily, like if you want, we'd

793
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: like to buy your take back? Yeah, how to put

794
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: little bonus on there? There's some lot of tags too,

795
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: you think it should be a bonus. Well, I'm just saying.

796
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean like, if if you bought something for me

797
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: from twenty bucks and you wanted it back and you're

798
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: gonna pay me. If I sold you something for twenty bucks,

799
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: you wanted to buy it back for twenty bucks, I'd

800
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: be like I'll sell for no. Yeah, it's like an incentive,

801
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. I don't think you would

802
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: do that because you're so you're like an honorable dude.

803
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: I feel like you'd let them have it. Back. Business

804
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: is business, teve Man. Then turkeys are still piling out.

805
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: That's a nice group of turkeys. Look at them going

806
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: into the other. Here's a good one. This is this

807
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: has Chatika implications. Luke from conduct Can, Kentucky, He's he's hunts,

808
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: he hunts public land, Kentucky. He's struggling with this. He's

809
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: got an interesting thing. And he thinks I'm gonna be

810
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: on his side, but I don't know that I'm totally

811
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: on his side. He's struggling with what he is deemed

812
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: to be squatters, which is a harsh word. Is he's

813
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: rubbed the wrong way about individuals who are putting their

814
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: stands out the night before, weeks before season, placing a

815
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: stand on public land. And he he hasn't Yeah, he

816
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: hasn't encountered with the guy that took it a little

817
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: too far. A guy not only puts his stand up,

818
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: a lease's bow in it. So he gets there and

819
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: it's like the stand and the bow, that's unusual you

820
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: doing that. It's like, let's just be frank, are you

821
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: putting the stand there that you just had to face

822
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: the facts. Anybody can understand. Yep, it's public land, it's

823
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: like there's regulation in most states about how long you

824
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: can put up a stand and leave it. Well, I mean,

825
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: what does it give you the spot? No, the guy

826
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: could get in a tree right beside you. Some states

827
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: you can't leave them, that's right. And in Arkansas on

828
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: on wildlife management areas, you have to have your name

829
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: written on the stand and your phone number and you

830
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: can only leave it there for a certain amount of days.

831
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: I want to say it's two weeks, so you could

832
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: go in early and put up a stand. It would

833
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: be legal. So I would say that there's law that's

834
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: probably prescribed that would that would give this guy. I mean,

835
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: I don't think there's there's As long as it's within

836
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: the time frame that they say you can leave a stand,

837
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: I'd say he's good. Well, his deal is this, let

838
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: me hit you with the other part of it and

839
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: you can speak to the whole thing. His deal, Like,

840
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: he's not saying you shouldn't be able to put a

841
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: stand out. He's talking about interactions with other hunters in

842
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: which someone feels that that makes it their spot. Yeah,

843
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: like he had when he had to run in with

844
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: the guy. He said, that's where my tree stand is.

845
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: That's where my bow is, so that's where I'm going.

846
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: I think if it's legal to leave a tree stand

847
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: overnight in a place, just because you left your bow

848
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: up there does not mean that's your spot. The guy,

849
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: the guy, the guy who walked in there with that

850
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: ground blind, did not know for sure that that guy

851
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: was going to come back, and he was there first,

852
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: so in my opinion, they both had a talk before

853
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: they hunted, which I think is smart to do. And

854
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: he saw a light coming and waited up for the

855
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: guy because he's like, I'm gonna wait up for him

856
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: for rather little detail. He waited up for the guy

857
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: coming behind him on the trail to be like, where

858
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: you going where? Here's where I'm going. And he's like, well,

859
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: here's where I'm going. He's like, no, you're not, because

860
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: I'm going there's my bows there. Yeah. And I mean,

861
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm just going off of what I would do personally.

862
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: And let's say I were the guy who left my

863
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: bow in the tree stand, which I would not do.

864
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: Let's say I left the tree stand because it was

865
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: legal in that state, and I went the night before

866
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: and set it up, and I came and there's this

867
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: guy sitting there in the ground blind. Personally, I would

868
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: not hunt my tree stand. I may quick take it down,

869
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: but I would probably be like, listen, dude, you were

870
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 1: here first. You didn't know I was coming to hunt

871
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: my tree stand. I'm gonna go try and find if

872
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: you were coming. But he says there first. Either way,

873
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: you know what, if he did, I mean, the bow

874
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: was up there. So they probably made me figure some

875
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: guys coming back. You know, I would have done. I

876
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: would have left my kid up there, rotate them out.

877
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: You gotta got mondays and two, don't you move when

878
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: I come up in the morning, you can run back

879
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: to school. We would you have done, Steve. Here's the deal.

880
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: Here's why it's hard for me. It's like it just

881
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: depends on it depends on a lot, Like it depends

882
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: on like how much space, how tightly people are concentrated,

883
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean there's a

884
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: lot of variable. It's just like if I look and

885
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: it's and it's like an old man barely coming down

886
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: the trail. You know, he's ninety eight years old. Sure, yeah,

887
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: I might be like, just you know, that's cool man.

888
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: It's you know, he's like I had to leave my

889
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: bowl there because I can only carry my one thing

890
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: at a time, and I don't know. I'm not gonna

891
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: be like, well, tough shit. It's just it's so circumstances.

892
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: It's so situational. It's so situational. Is it that there's

893
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: four acres of land and you go out and a

894
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: guy pre did his stand? You kind of in your

895
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: head like I don't know, man, like he's got to

896
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: stand there out let me go check. But maybe it's

897
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: that there's twelve stands on acres of land. There's nowhere

898
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: to go, and at a point you gotta be like, man,

899
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to be that it's gonna be

900
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: first come, first serving, opening morning, because I can't untangle

901
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: everything that's going on out here. Are these are these

902
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: like legitimately here? Did some guy come in and put

903
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: all these up as a way to like claim the

904
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: whole thing? You just make a little judgment calls. I'm

905
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: a big fan of the hanging hunt and like take

906
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: it down just for those reasons and people not getting

907
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: lazy and forgetting their tree stands in the woods and

908
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: leaving them up, which happens all the time you see

909
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: it in Montana. Um, but Yeah, it's a lot of

910
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: great area. Like you saying, here's another one. Ain't right there,

911
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: Jordan's skipped a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff. Okay,

912
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: just to talk to you more. Uh, here's no and

913
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: this is this is another land on our dilemma. This

914
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: is this falls outside of otic because this is just

915
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: a whole different kind of peculiar thing. But it kind

916
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: of fits what we're talking about. Cren did a great

917
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: job of bundling all like krend and I'll talk about

918
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: things we want to talk about, and she bundled a

919
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 1: lot of these like private property things. They're property issues,

920
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: you know. The guy wrote in he lives in St. Francisville, Louisiana.

921
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: He owns four fifty acres north of his place, un

922
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: said property. There's a creek along said creek. There are

923
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: three grave sites from the eighteen hundreds. A feller name

924
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: John J. Austin, and his wife and daughter all buried there.

925
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: John J. Austen was a decorated veteran of the War

926
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: of eighteen twelve. You know, oh, you know what that

927
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: bigot song you to learn Chester in eighteen fourteen, took

928
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: a little trip, took a little took a little beans

929
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: and whoop the mighty British at the Battle New Orleans

930
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: ar guns so John J. Austen, John Jay Austen decorated

931
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: veteran in the War twelve, presumably from the from the

932
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: Battle of New Orleans. He dies, Okay, his wife dies.

933
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: He homesteaded on this fourres he dies. Um oh man,

934
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: this story really makes his own gravy. I forgot to

935
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: mention the feller that rode in his family's own this

936
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: place for a hundred years. They've always hosted these graves

937
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: on their place of the people that homestead of the place.

938
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: This feller dies. His wife dies of typhoid fever, daughter

939
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: dies of something else. No, his daughter died of type Listen,

940
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: everybody dies. All three of them died there. They are

941
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: on the property. This guy is on the place for

942
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: a hundred years. The historical society is leaning on him.

943
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: Two put a fence around the graveyard and build a

944
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: road into there so people could come and look at

945
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: the dead people's place. No way. He doesn't want the

946
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: general public to have that much access to her property.

947
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: It's on the back end of his place. They run

948
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: cattle there, they hunting there. In fact, the grave site

949
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: is real close to his daughter killed her first deer

950
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: last year. Just feels to him like just unnecessary. He's

951
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: one of what we what we would do. It was

952
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: a real clear kind of answer to this. Listen if

953
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: it was Abe Lincoln or something. Still, No, listen, honest Abe,

954
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: they took it a long time ago. Anyway, they wouldn't

955
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: be talking about it anymore. But let's say it turns

956
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 1: out that that's where honest Abe was buried. I'd be like, listen,

957
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: it's honest Abe, the great emancipator. Let's put a road in.

958
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: But just I don't know, and series a great h

959
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: John Jay Austin, God bless him. But I don't know

960
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: if that like if that of all, I don't know

961
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: if that warrants that, because then the next thing you

962
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: go to do, you know, like like you go to

963
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: do like some habitat work, like you're just gonna create

964
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: friction that's gonna burn you down the road. Well, what

965
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: you say if you don't want to be just a

966
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: total jerk, as you say, Hey, if this is your family,

967
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: I'll take you back in there anytime you want. Dude,

968
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,959
Speaker 1: Judge Judy Bam. Maybe he should be running a book

969
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: called claic. So you should say that's a great solution,

970
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: clay That's what I think this gentleman should do. He

971
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: should say it even make it better if it has,

972
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: Like if there's some emotional attachment here, family, you're a historian,

973
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: just please reach out. We will get you taken care of.

974
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: But you don't want just people coming back there because

975
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: they can and they got no business being there. Don't

976
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: know these people what he put a road in there.

977
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: You lose some of that integrity of like the actual

978
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: cool old grave site to and stuff. And then you

979
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: got the grave diggers coming in and me eater super

980
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: fans claiming their family to go check out this grave site.

981
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: You got a guy being like, it's my grandma, and

982
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: I was thinking about how I'd like to visitor on

983
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: opening day lay still doping day was very special and

984
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: I'd like to be there to honor that with my

985
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: old rifle. Um. Yeah, I don't know. That's a good solution,

986
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: I think. So that's good, clay Man. We gotta do

987
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: a judge, Judy show Man. Does your verdict hold up

988
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: when you decide guilty not guilty? Well that's the hard

989
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: part because then you have to have the historical society

990
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 1: be down here. You have to have like there talking

991
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: about the duck guy and the bear guys sitting here,

992
01:00:52,920 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: and they have to all agree six D all right

993
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: to duck Farmers of America. George. I got a couple

994
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: of questions for you. You know, I know you haven't

995
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: been long, live terribly long. This place is where you

996
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: live has been your family for a very long time. Yeah,

997
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: thirty nine. My grandpa bought it. Grandpa bought um uh.

998
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: Do you feel that you've watched like we're hunting white tails.

999
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: Do you feel that over the of course, through your

1000
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: family's experience that um, white tails have kind of like

1001
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: displaced because we see mule deer very few we see

1002
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: like we've seen like a mule deer buck, maybe two

1003
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: mule deer bucks. Do you feel that on white tails

1004
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: are kind of have the upper hand here. I think so.

1005
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely changed. I don't know if it's

1006
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: just like we've definitely seen the white tail population rise

1007
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: and with that has been like an equal decline in

1008
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: mule deer. And I remember there being like nicer mule

1009
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: deer bucks here when I was like m hmm, like

1010
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: upper grade school, maybe middle school. But yeah, it's definitely

1011
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: it's not that way anymore. We have a hard time

1012
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,959
Speaker 1: seen like honestly, like the buck we saw last nights,

1013
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: one of the better mule deer I've seen out here,

1014
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: and like, oh that was three or four years. Yeah,

1015
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: and then uh, what about pronghorn, that's that's shifted to.

1016
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: I think some of that has to do with I

1017
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: think that they're winning to agriculture fields and they're not

1018
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: coming back, They're just staying there there. Yeah. I mean

1019
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: even even when I was in high school, we had

1020
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: like a huntable population, I would say. But so you

1021
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: think like like egg coming in and you know, you

1022
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: have you have all these irrigation you have like nineteen

1023
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: uh pivots, it's a cluster. Yeah, you have nights like

1024
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: I think there's like four center pivot center pivots per

1025
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: or four per section or section or something like that.

1026
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: So it was nineteen of them to the to the

1027
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: what south of you south that that in your father's

1028
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, when your father was your age, those weren't there.

1029
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: That's why I understand at least there definitely wasn't as

1030
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: many of them, and that change definitely wasn't Yeah, I

1031
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: think that that changed stuff a lot. I think that

1032
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: we saw the effects of that even a little bit

1033
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: on this hunt, where normally the deer would just live

1034
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: like on the river, and maybe there wouldn't be as

1035
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: many of them, but they would still live on the

1036
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: river and in the hills and stuff. But they all

1037
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: suck into those pivots and it's hard to tougher to

1038
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: hunt them. Another new thing. It's interesting. So the other day,

1039
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: while I was writing my song up on the hill

1040
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: looking watching you guys hunt a song about me? Or

1041
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: weren't Glenn know the song about should have been, Yeah,

1042
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: it's all about you. Yeah that I'm involved. We saw

1043
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: there help me. We saw a white tail deer, We

1044
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: saw a mule deer. We saw bison, and now these

1045
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: weren't wild bison, but they to the eye appeared to

1046
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: be wild bison on a big land far away. We

1047
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: saw wild elk, We saw thirty elk come through. We

1048
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: saw wild turkey. The only thing that we didn't see

1049
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: that you just described was an But I mean, that's

1050
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: a pretty I've seen. I've seen white tail, mule deer,

1051
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: pronghorn elk I'm talking about, yeah, you know. And then

1052
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of things that aren't yeh that I mean,

1053
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good that's a pretty good swash. And

1054
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: then then the bison off in the distance, which, like

1055
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: I said, all n't wild, but for the vast majority

1056
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: of our land mass here, that's what that's the best

1057
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: you can hope for. So just pretty neat, pretty neat.

1058
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: Was that was that feller that killed that big elk here?

1059
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: Your first ELK client? It was, yeah, you guys killed

1060
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: big bolt. We did. We got tell about how that

1061
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: whole thing is going down because those definitely haven't been

1062
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: here a long time. No, I was like, I think

1063
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: just Nebraska as a whole has been seen an uptick.

1064
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: I think they added like I don't want to say fifty,

1065
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: but it was something like that, like fifty more ELK

1066
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: tags this year, just to the whole state. Um, but

1067
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: it's resident only hard to draw once in a lifetime,

1068
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: Once in a lifetime. So how did you get hooked

1069
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: up with the ELK client? He just called me? Honestly,

1070
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I think I learned after that

1071
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: he called everybody else, and everybody else was full. But

1072
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: so we got a hold of me and asked if

1073
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: we could make How is he like picking where like

1074
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: it's statewide or not state No, it's yeah, it's unit specific.

1075
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah of course, not statewide. Yeah that makes sense. So

1076
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: he had a unit and he was calling around, Yeah,

1077
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: called you. I think he was Yeah, I think he

1078
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: was late to the game and told me that a

1079
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: bunch of other people were already full. So he called

1080
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: me and asked we had a decent like if we

1081
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: had a good chance, And I said we I thought

1082
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: we did, and yeah, shot up like a three. Was

1083
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: he pretty happy? He was super happy? You have fun? Yeah,

1084
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: he was super happy. Yeah, it was good. It was

1085
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: honestly the first evening, the whole deal. Yeah, And and

1086
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: it was like the elk. I would not say, we're

1087
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: like residing on the place they were passing through. So

1088
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: it was just it was a huge waiting game. Were

1089
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: you just sweating it going into that? Oh yeah, how

1090
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: long is it? Se uh? It starts to see it

1091
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: ends and it's like five weeks. So he had time

1092
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: to try something else. Yeah, yeah, he had some time.

1093
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: We didn't get in on the opener. I was on

1094
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: like another hunt, I think, and so I couldn't get

1095
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: here until like the very end of September um and

1096
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: it starts the third week of September. So since that

1097
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: was just your first ELK client that you have, just

1098
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: kind of like make up a price pretty much. I

1099
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: just looked at what everybody else was doing and like

1100
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: got right in line what I thought they were doing.

1101
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: Can you explain what how the state requires? Like they

1102
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: have a they have a landowner thing, but like the

1103
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: requirement is interesting. Yeah, so the landowner wants to enroll,

1104
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: you have to prove from what I've I've been working

1105
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: with a game and fish guy to try to get

1106
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: us in like as a landowner. There's like a landowner

1107
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: section that's like north of town that's like all the

1108
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: landowners just automatically they can apply for land and attack.

1109
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: But us, where we're kind of out of like the

1110
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: main zone of where I would say most of the

1111
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: elk are or have been, we have to apply like individually,

1112
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: so we have to like enroll the ranch into the

1113
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: landowner program, and then all the family members can do it. Yeah,

1114
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: if they're directly related to the owner, they can. Yeah,

1115
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: they can apply. And it's something like for every six

1116
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: and forty acres, like two family members can apply or

1117
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: something like that. And it's still a long shot. It's

1118
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: still a long shot. Yeah. And uh so you have

1119
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: to prove that you have elk on your place for

1120
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: I think it's three of the four seasons. Yeah. Yes,

1121
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,560
Speaker 1: you have to prove cam photos like what do you

1122
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: got to have? Yeah, pretty much trail camp photos like

1123
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: any video, any of that stuff. I'm gonna use trail

1124
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: camp photos just because it's day stamped and whatnot, So

1125
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: you can prove that kind of thing. But the the

1126
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: interesting thing about being in the landowner deal is you can,

1127
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: once you prove that you hold elk on your place,

1128
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: if you draw a tag, your tag is good for

1129
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: all of the Bordeaux unit or all of the unit

1130
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: that you're land is in, not just your land, which

1131
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: is you can if you had that's different than you could. Yeah, dear,

1132
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: you have to stay on your own place. Um. You

1133
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: know those like hostage things where you have the hostage

1134
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: holding the newspaper. You gotta get like an elk hold

1135
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: in the newspaper to prove when he was there, you know.

1136
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: Huh Yeah, I wonder how to what degree did you

1137
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: gather it's pretty friendly or like to what degree did

1138
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: they trying to put the screws to you. You know,

1139
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: I just sort of saying, like, no, I mean, because

1140
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: you can set the trail camp whatever the hell do

1141
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: you want. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I've

1142
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: gotten that far into it. It'll be interested, they d

1143
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: like a real good faith thing, or they're like, are

1144
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 1: you sure? Well, it sounds like if somebody was trying

1145
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: to fabricate that and couldn't prove it, they wouldn't have

1146
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: Elk clear anyway, so they couldn't kill one anyway. Did

1147
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. It's good for the whole unit. Yeah,

1148
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: it's good for the whole unit. So if we drew

1149
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: as a landown, we caught clean that paying attention I'm

1150
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: trying to follow, man, But yeah, you can go for

1151
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: the whole unit. So it's interesting they haven't really I mean,

1152
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: like twenty question me yet. They just put me on

1153
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: the list and told me to like start gathering some

1154
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: things to prove that Elk has been through there, or

1155
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 1: we hold Elk at least some of the year, and

1156
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 1: then they would get ahold, oh yeah, you guess my witnesses,

1157
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: you got fall, you got fall held up? Yeah, well,

1158
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: you know it would be great here's here's keep this

1159
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: in mind. You know how that shed we found them,

1160
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: you haven't picked up yet, so there you know the

1161
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: story and told us about. We've glassed up shed twice

1162
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 1: and she hasn't walked over and got it yet. You

1163
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 1: need to go over there because you know when they

1164
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: like the date range that it dropped to get a

1165
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: real nice picture how it's kind of settled into the

1166
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: sand in two it's in C two and be like, well,

1167
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: you know he was here in March. Whatever. M hmm.

1168
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: I like that. That's good. That's detective work right there.

1169
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: But man, this is strong. We're building a strong case.

1170
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: Is it brown or is it white? It's white. It's

1171
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: on your land though. Really, yeah, y'all been holding back.

1172
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: Y'all should have told us this. Yeah we found that

1173
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 1: first uh first morning. Yeah, the first morning we would

1174
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: have had time to go get it. I feel like

1175
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,560
Speaker 1: this this is a little bit off topic, but this

1176
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: is I'm I feel like I need to bring this

1177
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: up because we're hunting in two different you know, like

1178
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 1: we're going hunting and you're going hunting. So when we

1179
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: come back together, I'm kind of a stickler on this.

1180
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: In the camps that I run, okay, is that there

1181
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: needs to be a formal meeting. I saw you do

1182
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: that to give information, because like I'll pass by Jordan

1183
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: and be like, what y'all see, and you know, she'll

1184
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: say something. Then you'll pass by and say something totally different,

1185
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 1: and then the cameraman go, well, this happened, and no

1186
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: one knows what's going on. So that's why. That's why

1187
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: I like when you come back, it's like and it's

1188
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: like Steve was gonna tell us what happened today, and

1189
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: that's where we would have known about the elk. It's

1190
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: the last day of the hunt this case, and pointed

1191
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: to Clays. Yeah, you're right here, we are. We all

1192
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: knew it. You didn't know it. My hunt would have

1193
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: been more robust the last three days if I had

1194
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: known there was an elk glass and that sucker up

1195
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: or trying to y'all took this from me. It's still tonight.

1196
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: When you guys get a deer here, um, you have

1197
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: to go down to the check station. Yeah, that's a

1198
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,560
Speaker 1: rifle season thing. That's what that's for. Yeah, talk to

1199
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: you what all like, why and what all happens and

1200
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: where you go? That might be interesting is a good

1201
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: it's probably a good question. We didn't do it last year.

1202
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: Um with COVID and stuff. They just check stations. Yeah,

1203
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 1: muzzle order, you don't have to do check station and

1204
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: archer you don't have to do check station. You just

1205
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: call in and like you tell them like male or female,

1206
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 1: white tailer, mule deer. If it was a like if

1207
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: the buck had more than eleven inches spread or something

1208
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: like that, and they pull a tooth. No, So why

1209
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 1: do they need the whole thing? Why do they need

1210
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: the whole thing there? They don't take any like biometrics.

1211
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: Do they take any measurements or anything. The bucks are

1212
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: two and a half years old. Yeah, that's the thing

1213
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: that happens. He didn't take a CWD thing, did he know?

1214
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: I told him he could and he didn't. Yeah. He

1215
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: just cut the he like cut the side of the

1216
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: mouth open and he looked and he said, look like

1217
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: sharp teeth two and a half years old. Didn't pluck one,

1218
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: didn't touch it and didn't pull a gland. No, they

1219
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: just want to have it be that, I think so.

1220
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: And then he puts the metal. So there is a

1221
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: thing that goes on down there, But they're not like

1222
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: really maximizing information that could be pulled from these deers. No,

1223
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: I've seen them sometimes like they'll cut and like pull

1224
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: a gland assume for CW. But I don't other than

1225
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: that's pretty much all. I mean. My kids went, we

1226
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: took a deer and after you season, we took a

1227
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: deer and new check station and you could, uh, they

1228
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: grab a tooth and they we'll pull a gland. Yeah,

1229
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: we missed out on the gland pulln we already skinned

1230
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: the head. Oh yeah, I wasn't think about I would

1231
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: say that one of the glands if I have been

1232
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: thinking about it. In the Braski guys, Um, everything's over

1233
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 1: the counter. Yeah. The rifle tags are capped so and

1234
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: they are a unit specific so like muzzloader season over

1235
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: the counter. I don't I don't even know if there's

1236
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: a cap, and if there is, I don't think it's

1237
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: ever been met. And that is statewide. There are certain

1238
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: like restrictions on like mule deer in the Pine Ridge area.

1239
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: I know you can't shoot a muled your dough like

1240
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: on the north side of the river here. Um, and

1241
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: then I think you can only you can still shoot

1242
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: a muled your dough on this side of the river. Yeah,

1243
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: on the south side, but not on the north side.

1244
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a great idea. Yeah, so

1245
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: then you might be speeding along the inevitable man. Yeah,

1246
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: So that's one thing. And then there's like certain areas

1247
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: in southern Nebraska where there's like mule dear conservation areas

1248
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: where you can't shoot a mule deer inside of them

1249
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: at all, or you have to draw for a buck

1250
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: tag in those archeries the same way, but rifle, they

1251
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: make you their unit specific and they are capped and

1252
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: they sell out pretty damn fast. The mule deer tags

1253
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: on the north side of the river soiling like two

1254
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 1: days got do you guide those? Um? Yeah? I I

1255
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: kind of shy away from the mule deer thing just

1256
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: because of what we're talking about. Like a lot of

1257
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: the guys I want to shoot mule deer, you know,

1258
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: they want like a good representation of a buck, and

1259
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: I just don't think that I can't like promise that

1260
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: the type of the deal. So if they want to

1261
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: shoot a mule deer, like, we'll hunt for a mule deer,

1262
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: but I sell a white tail hunt. And then I

1263
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: do like a trophy fee type thing on top of

1264
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: the mule deer, or on top of if they shoot

1265
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,560
Speaker 1: a mule deer just to make people more conscious of, like,

1266
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: don't shoot a two point type of a deal just

1267
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: to shoot a mule deer. I'm trying to help us

1268
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: out there. But you know, she killed a real big

1269
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: mule there a couple of years ago. I don't know

1270
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about. You killed a real

1271
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: big one this year Idaho. Yeah, so you killed a

1272
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: big one in this place. He was like high one nineties. Yeah,

1273
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: really bought by the highway. M hmm. So he wasn't

1274
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: even down here, but killed it with a bow. Yeah.

1275
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: Is that one of the ones in the hallway? It's

1276
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: a picture. Yeah. I don't know if there's a picture

1277
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: of him up there or not. There's some big mealies pictures. Yeah,

1278
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: you shot that one with the bow out here. That's

1279
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: doing something. Man. What did you creep up on it?

1280
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: Have a blind little canyon creeped? Really? Mm hmm. That's

1281
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: cool man. And now you have a big stomper out

1282
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: in Idaho this year. I got a good buck in Idaho. Yeah.

1283
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: How big was this one? We never I he's probably

1284
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: like a mid one sixties buck and never we haven't

1285
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: measured him. He's in getting a yuro Mount currently Freedom Mount,

1286
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: Freedom Mountain. That's right, I forgot about that. Um do

1287
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,560
Speaker 1: you know this about your state? This feels like a

1288
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: Western state, right private. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. That's

1289
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: tough going actually surprises me a little. This price and parks. Yeah,

1290
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: it's pretty much probably you run into that too, like

1291
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: like when you see Texas, you know, yeah, I mean

1292
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: they even sold off their school trust lands like and

1293
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: then but they have like a so they'll have like

1294
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: a certain what I was like two percent or whatever

1295
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: the hell it is public but Great Bend National Park

1296
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: m M. You can't hunt in there anyways. You can't

1297
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,560
Speaker 1: hunt anyways. Yeah, so it's kind of yeah, not like

1298
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: what good is it? But it doesn't mean from a

1299
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 1: hunter perspective. So you go like, oh, there's least some

1300
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: public land, and then the bulk of public land is

1301
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: park account anyway, So you probably got a situation like that.

1302
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 1: There are some parks, but most of the I think

1303
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: some of like most of the public lands all in

1304
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: the north west corner of the state, like Shattern Area,

1305
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: Harrison and then it gets hammered. And that's all like

1306
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: in the Pine Ridge unit, so on the north side

1307
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: of the river. That's where some public is. Yeah that's where. Yeah,

1308
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: that's where a lot of it is. But this state, um,

1309
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: they have Open Fields and Waters program, which is cool. Yeah,

1310
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: that's like putting your like CRP or whatever. You can

1311
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: open acres and that forty acres enrolled. And something that

1312
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 1: I've never heard of called the Stubble Access Program. Haven't

1313
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 1: heard of that either. After you harvest wheat and milo

1314
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: and whatnot, it's people can go in and hunt birds

1315
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: in western Nebraska on the Stall Bowl an adjacent habitat.

1316
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: Oh that's not a bad problem. It's very specific. It is.

1317
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 1: That's harsh your crop. Harveish your crop, guys, and come

1318
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: in and hunt the stubble fields. But they keep people

1319
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: out of it when the crop is still standing there.

1320
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:24,879
Speaker 1: Nothing nice, Yeah, for sure, bad approved. What's that? More turkeys?

1321
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: You got that? All right? Listen, we got a real problem.

1322
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: We're running out of our hunt time. Steve has shot

1323
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: here yet, but you know, you know, I don't care.

1324
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: I've had a great time. Yeah cool, I'm glad I've

1325
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: had one of the better times I've ever had doing anything.

1326
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 1: It's been humbling for me because I'm I don't think

1327
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: before this a rifle hunt's ever gone over two days. Really,

1328
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: I just kind of assume you can tell you're sweating it. Yeah,

1329
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: we saw, but here's the thing. We could have shot

1330
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 1: bucks because shot one a minute ago. That's true, we

1331
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: could have shot smaller, dear, But and there was one

1332
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: that we watched for a while and you're like, Steve,

1333
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: let's get serious. What do you think about that buck? Yeah,

1334
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: there was a point I kept looking at him and

1335
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, it's not a bad, dear,

1336
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: but it's just we've all but here's the thing. We've

1337
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: all seen bucks where you said, I shoot that buck. Yeah,

1338
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: so the difference, what do you think about that, dear?

1339
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:25,839
Speaker 1: And I shot that buck? You know that was a difference.

1340
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 1: It was like on the border and I was like, no, yeah,

1341
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: we've seen molt ones. You're like, I was making some

1342
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: commentary on the hilltop when the buck in question came out.

1343
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: That was kind of the one that she was going, well,

1344
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, that's a decent bedded down out by us.

1345
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: Twice I was. I was setting up there and I

1346
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: said Steve Ronella on day three, is gonna shoot that buck. No,

1347
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 1: we've had bucks. We've had bucks, we just haven't had

1348
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: seen a lot of nice bucks far off, seeing little

1349
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: Bucks up close, and we just haven't. The corn is up.

1350
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: That's one thing I don't think we mentioned. There's a

1351
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: bunch of pivots in this time of year. A lot

1352
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: of those deer are still in there. I think it

1353
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 1: is a hole down in that corny. I mean miles

1354
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: of cors like the Wild West and miles. Yeah, I

1355
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: think it's holding them, maybe more than I thought it

1356
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,520
Speaker 1: was going to. But it's just there's it's so unpredictable,

1357
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: like being on the hilltop. You see, like we've seen

1358
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: a shooter buck almost every single time we've set up

1359
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 1: there because we have this macro view, and it's just

1360
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they come out here, sometimes they come

1361
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:44,759
Speaker 1: out there. There's just so much surface area that corn

1362
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: it's just hard to know where they're gonna be. Yeah,

1363
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: we saw a shooter buck last night. There was a

1364
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: mile and a half away going the other way. Yeah,

1365
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: chasing hot after a doll and you're just like it's

1366
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: kind of like you see it, but it kind of

1367
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't matter. Yeah, uh, I like seeing that stuff,

1368
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: though it can easily go the other way where people

1369
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: are like, well it doesn't even matter. So why are

1370
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: we sitting here if we can see him but we

1371
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: can't get to him? Michael Valad I guess yeah, I

1372
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: don't want. I think I've had a wonderful time hunting here.

1373
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: Every sit is like it's half it's half sitting half

1374
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: spot stock. Yeah, every sit is exciting. We've been seeing

1375
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: big box. Clay got a nice book. Yeah, I could

1376
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: tell if like whatever has to night, if we had

1377
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 1: another day, I'd have no doubt we'd get them. We're

1378
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: probably gonna go get one right now. We got an

1379
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: evening left. The bottom of the ninth kind of kind

1380
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: of picked up. Um, Jordan tell everybody how to find

1381
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 1: you again. We told him how to find you before. Yeah,

1382
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: Running Water Hunting dot com is probably the easiest, and

1383
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: all my contact infos on there. You can kind of

1384
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 1: get the layout of what we offer. Yeah, Turkey's white

1385
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: tails like very limited amounts of mule deer Elk sounds

1386
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 1: like if you're in Nebraska resident elk and one of

1387
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: the lucky few you do it again, you're feeling cocky

1388
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: about it. Now that you killed that huge bole, I

1389
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 1: would do it again. I would only do like one

1390
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 1: one one elk hunter. Yeah, maybe depends if the landowner. Yeah,

1391
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: if we, like somebody drew a landowner tag, we probably

1392
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't take anybody. Oh really, so you're strict about it? Yeah,

1393
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: you played pretty conservative. I think so. Like I there's

1394
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 1: there's some other outfitters that have taken like a lot

1395
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: of elk hunters, and I heard this year that they

1396
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: were having trouble finding the size, and I think that

1397
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 1: that's from a lot of numbers. I think even deer

1398
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 1: and stuff should be uh, if we're not gonna put

1399
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: like a sigh is restriction in like a a lot

1400
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: of guys are doing like we're not going to shoot

1401
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: a deer under one forty type of management style. Like

1402
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: I think if you don't do something like that, you've

1403
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 1: got to be kind of conservative on how many people

1404
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 1: you take it. Well, we could have killed the elk

1405
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: if we'd have been been hunting elk this week. I mean,

1406
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: we had elk that we could have made a play

1407
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: on on Jordan's land. And that was to say, I mean,

1408
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: like this one little sector of calendar because those we

1409
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 1: saw the other day, Yeah, they were coming right through.

1410
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying it would have been easy,

1411
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 1: but we could have. We've just seen Elk. We could

1412
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 1: have got it's cool to be looking out. See all

1413
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: was bison and here comes hurt out. It was all right,

1414
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: we better go yet. I gotta take my pajamas back

1415
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: off again, my regular clothes back on. We're gonna go. Yeah,

1416
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: get a big Jordan's thank you, Thank you, guys. This

1417
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: has been so much. It's been great. The people don't

1418
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: know it right now, we're all sitting in lazy boys. Yeah. Yeah,

1419
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say something about that. This farmhouse. It's

1420
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: really neat where you keep people this this farmhouse. It

1421
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: feels like you're in someone's home. Small. Yeah, that's it's great.

1422
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: It's been great. Appreciate it. He doesn't have a lazy

1423
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 1: lazy boy. A lot of Western aren't hanging here, which

1424
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 1: has got me like, I feel like I'm gonna go

1425
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:29,879
Speaker 1: deep on this year. I asked my wife for Christmas

1426
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: to get me. I want to frame. I told it right,

1427
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it in the bedroom. I want a

1428
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 1: framed print of C. M. Russell's The Free Trappers, and

1429
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna be like, and that'll be the end

1430
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 1: of it. It will be the end of it. But

1431
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 1: now I found another one. Following the River by Robert

1432
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: Duncan song I have to go talk to her and

1433
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: be like, listen that wall for Valentine, for Valentine's I

1434
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: need Following the River by Robert Duncan's good paint. Alright,

1435
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 1: thanks so much,