WEBVTT - Classic Music Saved with Darryl "DMC" McDaniels 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.960 Music Saved Me, alcoholic suicide and metaphysical spiritual wreck who 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.640 is thinking of killing himself already but then finds out 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.920 that he's adopted. Oh, let's not forget this. During that time, 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:13.560 Jim I Sagen gets shaw and killing, then my farm 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:15.600 and eye. So I was dealing with all of that. 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:19.680 Please lock on it. It was the music or the music. 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:21.960 I look at it like this, The music had healed 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:22.640 me already. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:26.040 I'm Len Hoffman and welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast, 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.720 the podcast where we get to talk in depth to 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.960 up and coming artists and musicians as well as some 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.520 of the biggest names in the business about the healing 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:38.040 powers of music. On this episode, you are in for 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.360 a huge treat. I'm so excited to welcome one of 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.760 the very biggest names in music in the world. In fact, 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.080 his band run DMC is credited as being the greatest 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.720 hip hop band of all time by MTV and the 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.680 Beatles of Rap. It's like I have a Beatle here. 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:56.600 I like to refer to him not only as the Goat, 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.200 but also as a dear old friend who is one 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.040 of the most giving humans that I've ever met on 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.440 the planet and in the music industry. Daryl McDaniel's d 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:05.720 mc welcome to. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.680 Music saved me. Thanks for having me. It's so great 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:09.280 to have you here. 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:15.880 I would it be fair to say that music saved you? 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.600 I hit you with the one right up front right. Yes, yes, 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.680 I could say that, but I went and said that 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:30.120 because the actual moment it saved me came later on 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.720 in my life. Can you But I can say music 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:38.440 saved me from having to figure out what I was 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.960 going to do for career. That's right, and literally saved 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.880 my life after that, after I got into the career 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.080 of music, it saved my life. Put in the beginning, 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:54.240 I was at Saint John's University. I went to Saint 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:59.960 John's for business management only because my best friend Douglas 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.720 Hey shout out to Butter and we shout him out 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.640 on rock box when Mangoes but of Love Now co 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:12.399 Tina Man Butter. We was together since kindergarten. So from 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.000 kindergarten in the twelfth grade, it was me and him. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.320 If you saw a Butter, you saw me. If you 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.040 saw me, you saw a Butter. So in twelfth grade 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.960 at Rice High School, all boys Catholic High School at 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:29.280 Harlem UH the guidance Council gives you the life papers 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.680 and says, pick a career, pick a college. I didn't 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.080 know what I wanted to do. All I cared about 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.760 was comic books, That's right. And I was just good 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.320 in school. And I was like, Doug, what do I pick? 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:44.760 He said, hold on, pick business management, okay, and pick 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:50.480 Saint John's University. So I did that, and then first 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.080 day is Saint John's University. I get up to the 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:57.040 campus snow butter snow Doug. So I go to the 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.639 pay phone, I put the money in and I call him. 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:04.000 He's sleep. I'm like, dog, what's up. It's the first 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.160 day of school. Because we've been together first day of 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:11.839 school for twelve years. He goes, hold on, I ain't 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.360 got no classes. I'll see you later, hangs up on me. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:21.760 What so now? Anxiety and fear and confusion and abandonment 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.520 and alienation and just hitting me. And I turned around. 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.400 I'm looking at the big campus of Saint John's University. 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.000 I was just like totally overwhelmed. So I went to 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:37.640 the orientation class and I didn't go to my classes 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.680 that I had that day, and went back to Alis, 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.440 went to the pool hall, and I brought forty yunths 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:48.160 of old English and I sat there saying, Oh my god, 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.360 I gotta grow up. I gotta get my life together, 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.720 this and that. So that was a journey. That was 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.680 a big, big journey, a lot of emotional issues that 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.080 I didn't know what later on exploding my life. But 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.880 fortunately the reason why I say it saved me. I 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.080 was mere and thought it was a class of eighty 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.760 two or Rice High School. So Juna eighty two, I 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.719 graduated from Rice High School. August of eighty two. My 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.080 friend Joseph Simmons, who I went to Saint Pasco being 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:24.080 one elementary school with, he calls me, says, de remember 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:25.880 what four years ago when I said if I ever 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.640 make a record, I'm putting you in my group. I'm like, yeah, 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.279 grab you around book, We're going in the studio. So 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.920 on August of eighty two, we went and we made 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:38.400 a demo for two songs called It's like That in 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.360 the B side, because remember it was no albums back then. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.240 Hip hop records were like discos. It was singles and 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.640 the B side was suckeram ceas. So now I'm into 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:54.960 the second semester at Saint John's University, realizing I hate 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.520 business management, I don't like account What am I going 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:02.640 to do with myself? We had recorded the demo August 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.000 eighty two. So now Joseph Simmon called me again, my 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.760 brother Russell. He got us a record deal. We're gonna 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.320 be on this label called Profile Records. Hooray and he 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.560 hangs up, oh my. So that kind of was this 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:21.119 saving moment that music first say through me a life raft. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:26.480 It sure did, and then later on cutting through quite 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.800 a bit of your life and career, because I don't 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:30.560 know a lot of artists that put out their first 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.400 album and it sells a million copies, and then they 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.520 have to do another album and then it does even better. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.760 Usually it's all the way around, and then everyone do 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.640 you keep going up the ladder? 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.479 We had a three. I kind of look at that 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.440 early part of our career as the career of Cream. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.760 It was like trifecta. Yeah, we put the first album OUNT, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.599 and we put the first album OUNT in a world 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.320 where okay, we like these hip hop singles, and this 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:05.680 was it. There's no way anybody in this universe once 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.920 they hear a whole album full of this hip hop 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.159 rap stuff, so we put out the self titled Run DMC, 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.839 so five hundred thousand copies and win gold and we 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.039 got on MTV. Yeah you did so. Then that was 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:23.120 eighty four. Then in eighty five, when they were saying, okay, 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.719 we'll give you all that too, but there's no way 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.000 you're going to be around hip hop's are fat it's 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:29.919 gonna die like disco. What are you going to be 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.640 doing next year? So I got offended. I was like, 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:34.760 I'm not just doing this show. I'm not going to 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.679 be the King of Rocks. So then we did an 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.000 album where the balls and the guts to do an 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.560 album called King of Rock, and we put that out 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.599 and then it went platinum. And then we did a 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.719 video with Larry Budd Melman from The David Letterman Show 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.160 at the front door of a Rock and Roll Hall 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:55.400 of Fame museum that didn't exist yet, telling us we're 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.720 not allowed to come in here. And then look now 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.640 the Rock Roll Old Fame Museum. Everybody's like, why is 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.359 you rapping there? All of that was pathetic. So that 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.200 was eighty four Run DMC, eighty five King of Rock. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:13.880 Then in eighty six we hooked up with Aerosmith, of course, 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.800 walked all the way, they'd walk this way, did a 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.040 song about our sneakers. I don't play no basketball and 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.480 I got a sneaky deal, just like Michael Jordan. I mean, 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.560 you can't write this stuff. You can't. It's crazy. So 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.160 who Well, music did a lot, but it definitely saved 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:35.560 my saved me by giving me a career. And then 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:39.440 we'll get into later on where and forget careers saved 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:40.040 my life? 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.600 Yeah, I sure did well. Before we go there, I 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.200 want to bring up something that you just said about 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.720 fifty years of hip hop. Well you didn't say it. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.760 I'm saying it. Last year celebrated fifty years and it 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.120 was supposed to be a flash in the pan. 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.040 They were telling you, right, I I thought it would 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:56.560 have win single you had. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.920 You had everything to do with it. You run, Jason, 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.520 you did it all. I mean you took something that 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.320 was underground and you made it right right. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.240 We did on Adidas. I say, what Run DMC did. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.440 We took the beat from the street and put it 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.920 on TV. We didn't create it, but we we were 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.920 the face. People say, if you look up hip hop 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:26.200 in a dictionary, encyclopedia or online, now your face J. No, No, definitely, 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.320 no words, just me running J like that like that's 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.560 we definitely did that, that's the answer. Yeah, we definitely 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.199 did that. When were you first exposed to music as 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:39.160 a kid growing up? Oh you remember, yes, I definitely remember. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:43.920 I probably was. Let me see, it was after kindergarten 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.520 when I started paying attention, probably six or seven years old. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:52.000 It was AM radio, a lot of AM stations, but 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.160 it was all segregated, a separate yet the white station 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:59.719 you at, the black AM stations w WORL had all 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.960 of the w O R, all of these different but 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:08.439 it was separate. But the thing that was the exposure 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.240 to it that made me catch the cold or the flu. 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.160 The thing that made me catch it was seventy seven 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:21.360 w ABC in New York City FM Dan Ingram, Oh yeah, 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:25.320 Harry Harrison, that's the stud chuck in my life. That's 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.880 when I started paying attention to music because before that, 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.920 for me, prior to that, prior to seventy seven w ABC, 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:36.920 it was comic books, the old black and white Godzilla movies, 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.440 Oh my God, and the old black white nineteen thirties Horruthor, 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:46.000 Lawn Cheney, Bela Lagosi, Boris call it. Those are the 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.560 best movies ever made in the history of cinema. Do 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.760 you watch Single Wolf? Yeah? I love every Saturday Night 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.440 in the Avenue Costellos or Sunday Meet the Wolfburg. So 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.079 that was my life for seventy seven. W A b C. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.079 Made me pay attention to music because prior to that, 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.679 Al Green, I was never in the soul music Al Green, 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:14.000 Marvin Gayeretha Frank, oldest people. That was my mother and 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:18.040 father's music. That's because they were cool, like they're always cool, 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.560 Rest in peace. But that was I'm a kid, so 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.960 I didn't have a music that was mine. But when 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.760 seventy seven w ABC came along, you know, you have 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:33.640 the black station playing Slive, James Brown and Jacks and Fire. 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.880 You had the white stations playing Crosby Still Younger, Nass, 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:42.000 the Beatles and the Stones, and seventy seven there we 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.360 used to played all together. So you would hear Crosby 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.800 Still Younger, Nass, Anyould here, Slide Family Stone, you would 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:53.200 hear Elwen John and Bob Dylan, and then you would 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.760 hear James Brown. A lot of that. But I started 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.120 paying attention to seventy seven w ABC because when the 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.120 rock songs came on, like Zeppelin and all that and 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.840 Neil Young and stuff like that. The beats and the 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:08.240 guitars was harder than the R and B in the 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.719 soul music. So I'm in the comic books. I was like, oh, 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.600 these drums are crazy. So I remember one of the 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:18.480 first songs that caught my attention over was two songs 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:23.760 the Beatles Let it Be, But only because I went 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.719 to Catholic school. So there's a line in there, and 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.840 I didn't learn this till later. There's a line in 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.800 there when Paul McCartney says, a mother Mary comes to me. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:37.000 So I'm a kid something, oh the version married. Like 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.680 I'm listening to the stories telling. Later on, I found 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.000 out his mother was the name married. But my whole 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:47.480 life until I probably was twenty something years old when 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.040 I read something in Paul McCarty's mother's name Mary for 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.880 my whole life's but I'm only paying attention to Let 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:55.679 it Be because I'm a Catholic school kid. That was 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.360 a connected ben. It was a beautiful song, so I 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.800 was like, wow, I mean it was so bitch. He's 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.720 laying there and mother married. He saw the Virgin American 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.720 management But the other song that I always would stop 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.640 playing whatever it was to do was Doobie Brothers Blackwater. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:17.040 Oh my gosh, hearing that on the radio, it was 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:23.880 just something either there were either yes ethereal you could 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:25.720 touch it for you. Yeah, it was just it just 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.440 did something. But those were seventy seven w ABC changed 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.640 my life. What touched my life? It did? 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:36.280 And what do you think it is about music that 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.200 affects us? The moment? It was for me, it was 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.720 just storyteller because I'm comic book so the story so 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:49.600 hearing yeah, Harry Chapin, Jim Crochey. 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:53.240 Bad bad Leroy Brown Bad. It ain't even had a 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.199 video for it, had an animated video back then for 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.320 that he did. Yeah, yeah, but it was just it 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:05.400 was definitely this storytelling from Oh Foggety John Foggey Credence, like, 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.520 oh my, I can't name them all them songs, all 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.560 Knights and White. It was just there was just something 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.079 because I guess so was so familiar to me because 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.080 my mother and I was playing it, so I was 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.640 here and knees saw it was harmonicas it was just 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.800 it was different, but it was storytelling. It definitely was 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.280 the storytelling because most most of them, you know, Marvin 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.679 Gaye was the soul sex love man, you know what 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.920 I'm saying, which was cool, but the storytelling like a 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:40.240 foggey looking out my back door and you know Harry 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.560 Chapin's cats and it was just it was a storytelling. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.160 It was about life. So it made the and I 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:52.439 know these guys were famous, but it made him seem 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:59.880 so normal. Relata records, what gave you the inspiration to be? 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.400 I mean to be so relatable because when I listened 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.679 to run DMC when I was, you know, freshman in 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.400 high school, it was everything to me. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.080 Was your first record? Nice? Right? And it was it 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:15.280 was like my friends, right, that's that's a great that's 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.000 a great now and no, yeah, no, it's great that 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.880 you notice that because in the beginning, most of the 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:25.160 hip hop was considered black ghetto music, and rightfully so, 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.440 because it was all about the conditions in the ghetto. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.160 Sure it was the message, but even if you go back, 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.800 every record was a message. It was dark and depressing. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.080 I'm a happy kid with comic books and I go 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.880 to school and I got both parents in my house, 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.120 so me hip keep it real. So it's funny you 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:46.480 said that I can't come and talk about broken glass everywhere. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.120 I got both parents in my house. They pay for 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.840 me and my brother to go to Catholic school. My father, 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.400 they didn't have a Fleetwood or El Dorado, but he 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.760 had the poor man's Cadillac, the Buick Electra. Two twenty 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.600 five min old who's had a good life. You know. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.720 Run used to say, it ain't Christmas in your house 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.480 on Christmas, It's Christmas in your house every day. Because 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.640 I have very very loving parents. So me coming in 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.600 the hip hop, I'm like, I can't rhyme like Mellie Mellan. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.040 I'm about what I don't think queens. I gotta fence 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.480 around my house, and my father mows the lawn. We 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.760 gotta we gotta. My dad water is the lawn and 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.480 mows it. So for me, I was like, when I come, 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:30.320 I gotta come. I gotta be like Dylan. I just 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.720 got to tell the story of I'm DMC in the 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.200 place to be a go to Saint John's University. But 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.800 everybody was running about gangs and sticks. I'm romming about that, 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.880 but those people related to them, the people in the 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.720 Bronx and mad because they knew that this really existed. 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.000 So I think I kind of broke the mold with 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:59.000 hip hop because even in the dark, scary, destructive, death 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:03.560 ridden ghetto, there was kids playing hopscotch, There was girls 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.280 playing double, there was kids reading comic books and drawings. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.480 So it pisses me off that when you say the street, 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:14.280 everybody always associates the street with negativity. But that's because 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.560 of the Median house played when you say the street 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.560 pimps and drugs and drugs and gang bangers, that's true, 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.560 But what about every kid's cheeing bubble gum? When I 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:29.560 came along, I said, Foggety and Dylan and John and Paul, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.240 they would write stories about what the mothers and the 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.720 farmers and the bakers and the milkman said, I'm gonna 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:36.000 do that. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.480 And you never talked down to anyone either. You just 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:42.320 in a way run dmc led by example right exactly. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.960 You wasn't wrong for selling drugs, he wasn't wrong from 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.320 being a gang. But we gave you all the alternatives 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.800 that she was overlooking. So it was a very visual thing. 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.000 And that's why you said, you even you know a 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.240 white girl, you can relate to what run Y I 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:01.960 related beyoncause those things are present in everybody. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.160 It was everything I was doing that was the Christmas 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.399 time in Hollis queens and moms cooking. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:12.000 Check and even if you wasn't celebrating Christmas, what do 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.520 people from all coaches do on festive occasions? Like right now, 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:20.959 I can't go to the mall because Jewish people, Mostlim people, 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:26.440 Asian people. They screamed my lyric at me about the 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.760 Jewish family, DMC, it's Christmas. I guess what we're going 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:34.159 on to listen to? You know what I'm saying, because 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:38.000 they can relate to the essence of what was presenting. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.240 So I definitely got that from John and Paul and 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:43.920 Neil Young and all those cats. 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:50.720 When you're young, starting out, it's difficult to be well 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:55.720 you expressing yourself for your music as artists. How important 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.080 it is is it to be yourself? 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.720 You know it's it's very important. Now. I never thought 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:07.080 this would happened with hip hop, with with pop music. 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:12.960 There's the thing where you can get person and you 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.760 write the music for it, you choreograph them this and that. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.280 Like what I'm trying to say is no, I never 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.800 thought this happened to hip hop because hip hop. You know, 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.320 the whole Drake thing about ghost writing and stuff like that. Yeah, 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.240 that's allowed now a hip hop because we're in the 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.920 music business. But with or without the music business is 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.159 hip hop. So I'm talking from that point. But what 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:39.679 I'm trying to say is Britney Spears is phenomenal, but 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.879 she needs somebody to write it, to choreograph it. Clover 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:48.440 just stylist and alect Sheryl Crown other hand, don't even 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:52.080 need electricity. You give her an acoustic guitar, she'll sit 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.199 on the stage in front of three thousand people and 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:58.560 you will be entertained. So for us, coming hip hop 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.480 was all about authent city. So the reason why rundium 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:06.359 c was respected, the reason why Will Smith was respected, 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.600 the sick grit was it we didn't try to reach 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:11.919 and be something that we weren't. We were able to, 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.600 like Nirvana said, come as you are, So you have 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:23.200 to have integrity. But over the years in hip hop 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.240 there's a lot of people that didn't gang bang who 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:30.280 thrown up gang size. But that's only because of this. 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:37.159 Anything that is sacred, holy to a culture or people 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:42.720 will get diluted, polluted, used, abused, and destroyed. Once it's commercialized, 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.560 anything not just anything. So for rundium C it was 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.960 we took it the responsibility us to keep it. Two 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:55.200 turned tables, microphone and legit. You can come wrong about 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.840 your drugs and all of that, and even the guys 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.800 that did live that life, there was enough rule. I'm 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.240 gonna do this record about my gun and my drugs. 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:07.120 But my very next record, which will be my single 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:11.520 in hot rotation on the radio every fifteen minutes like 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.440 music does, will be me the guy who just told 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.840 you I shot and sold drugs, saying not to do 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:21.199 what I'm doing. That's lacking now because now you're in 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.040 the business, they want to see what's working. Get rid 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.560 of that stuff. We don't care about lives, We don't 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:29.600 care about what's going on in society. We only worried 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.800 about this bottom line. So we're a run DMC, like 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:38.840 Ice Tea said, run dm C yo RUNNINGMC made positivity gangster. Yes, 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.520 you doing to the top and was standing there like 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:43.720 what all of you all without? Well, I mean we 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.480 cursed on about two records barely Barrett, you know what 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.840 I'm saying. We didn't shoot, we didn't disrespect women and 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.320 l That was another guy who did it too. He 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.199 never called the lady out of their name. Now he 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.399 lifted women up. He never used to be in the 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.080 H word, you know what I'm saying. So that's power. 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.159 Power is getting on stage with one hundred thousand people 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.000 at Live AID with all these rock bands saying you're 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:08.800 the king of rock. 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:13.479 Really were you scared? Yeah, we didn't want to do it. 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.760 That's the funny joke. Because we got the call we 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:17.920 on to we live. We're good right now, we get 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.760 a call we gotta go to Philly. In the RF case, 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:24.199 who's on the black side. Nope, nobody else trying to 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.000 do No, you're trying to get us. No mean running 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:30.240 to we literally me and run chopping it and play sick. 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:32.119 We did a lot of stuff to get as we do. 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.960 We wanted to play sick and y'all ain't sick, motherfuckers, 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:39.480 get your nor Russell and the label get on a 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:44.320 state it was. We didn't want to go. But I 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.959 didn't even find this out. Telling years later too, they 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.360 were having a meeting about to line up in Philly 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:56.600 and Bill Graham, the great promoter producer you know who 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:02.439 he is. Legend says yeah, run DMC and the to me. 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:05.560 And there's people there that verified this. A lot of 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:07.600 people say, why do you want them on this for 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:10.240 they're not even gonna be here in five years? Hip 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:13.439 hop's a fan like that whole thing. Yeah, I forgot 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.399 who told me so? Money Individ said yeah, I was 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.199 in the room. Bill Graham said, if rundym S is 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:25.280 not on this, I'm pulling out. Wow. Wow, Bill, I said, 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:29.719 did he did? Because you know, he's dude, he knows 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.240 everything is something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.200 And he was like, this ain't disco. This is something 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:38.439 I don't know. Even if he didn't know what it is, 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:41.800 he knew it was something that East. He saw this before. 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:45.320 And fritzco you know what I'm saying, he fillmore. He 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:49.040 said no. Bill Graham says, if Rundy's now on this, 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.359 I'm pulling out. And I was like what Wow. 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.680 That's It's amazing when you find out all the years later, 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:58.040 think when you talk to people and you hear the in. 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:01.159 The nervousness, we just I'll think us, we don't know 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.040 what's going on. Let's just go out there and do 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:04.920 what we do. So if you go on YouTube right now, 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:10.080 you can see the performance. Everything goes wrong. When Jay's 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:13.800 doing the beginning, the needle keeps jumping. See it's different 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.120 with the band. With the band, you'd get the drama 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.760 and this and that. We get up. When we showed 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.159 up there, the stage crew was like, hey, where's the 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:26.399 instruments and we don't have the turn tables. So the 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:30.240