Speaker 1: I am all in. Oh, that's just you. I am
Speaker 1: all in with Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast.
Speaker 1: All right, So here we are, guys. I finally have
Speaker 1: my mike. Oh you sound amazing coming. It sounds better
Speaker 1: rights Canada. It's it's a lovely place. And the people
Speaker 1: are lovely. That's that's the word I'm using now for
Speaker 1: they are very They are lovely. Yeah, they're very, really
Speaker 1: nice people. What's the weather they're in Nova Scotia. It's
Speaker 1: summary and it's warm. Yeah, it's hot and humid. It's
Speaker 1: like eight five, eight seventy five. It's really nice. Humidity
Speaker 1: is rough. Well yeah, I mean, look when you're working.
Speaker 1: We're working downtown how Halifax yesterday, and it was it
Speaker 1: was a little muggy, but it was okay. You know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's get to this episode. How about the Big One.
Speaker 1: Let's you know, Tara kick us off and we'll get
Speaker 1: into this take over for Danielle. So she's out today
Speaker 1: on a plane. Everybody, she's coming back from New York.
Speaker 1: She'll be here next week. Yeah. So this is season three,
Speaker 1: episode sixteen. The Big One air date was February two
Speaker 1: thousand three. The synopsis is Laura Lai and Rory are
Speaker 1: anxiously awaiting Rory's acceptance letter from Harvard, and surprisingly get
Speaker 1: more than what she expected. Paris takes a big relationship
Speaker 1: step forward with Jamie, but a step back when it
Speaker 1: comes to Harvard. Meanwhile, the two of them have to
Speaker 1: team up to give a speech for Chilton's by Centennial.
Speaker 1: Max is back in the picture as Lorelei runs into
Speaker 1: him at the pharmacy and speech event, but is he
Speaker 1: really over her? M Okay, I'm just gonna say this
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna let you Amy take us through this, Okay,
Speaker 1: but I just want to say this at the top
Speaker 1: of the podcast. This episode was flawless, flawless. There wasn't
Speaker 1: there wasn't a hole, there wasn't. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: one of the best experiences I've had viewing any kind
Speaker 1: of an episode, and definitely I think it's my number
Speaker 1: one gilpisode so far. The same and we did not talk.
Speaker 1: We did not talk last night to see if each
Speaker 1: other liked it. I at the end walked out of
Speaker 1: my bedroom into the kitchen and said, well, that's how
Speaker 1: you do it. That's how you do it, that's bang,
Speaker 1: that's like I mean where we separated at first, you
Speaker 1: think maybe something what's going so because that was wow,
Speaker 1: everything everything That is how you balance the humor which
Speaker 1: was constant and great with a little bit of drama,
Speaker 1: not a lot of drama. It had the right tone,
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit um interesting that Emily was
Speaker 1: not in this episode, even though even though she was
Speaker 1: in the episode, because they referred to her, she right,
Speaker 1: we didn't see her. Yeah. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was a relief or what it. I don't know if Emily,
Speaker 1: you know, it makes me question whether when Emily comes
Speaker 1: on screen everybody gets tense, you know what, what what
Speaker 1: physiological effects she has on an audit. I look forward
Speaker 1: to it. But I loved and here's what we're talking
Speaker 1: about character rehab. When I when I texted you said,
Speaker 1: asked me about this because it especially applies for Richard
Speaker 1: and Paris, who I just I thought, ed heard and
Speaker 1: gave the performance of in this episode and it wasn't
Speaker 1: even super dramatic. It was just sort of his comedy skills,
Speaker 1: just beautiful. Bravo lies a while. Is that how you
Speaker 1: stay your last name? Yeah, Paris Geller, I mean that
Speaker 1: performance like that was so amazing. Keep going about about
Speaker 1: ed Herman, but we'll get to it. Well, let you
Speaker 1: take us through the episode and I'll get to that stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't want to just talk about what I love
Speaker 1: so much about the episode right at the top, so
Speaker 1: let's let's spread it out through it. Yeah, okay. So
Speaker 1: the first scene we sort of get the setup that,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, the college acceptances are coming. And then
Speaker 1: we encounter postman Kirk, which was always has a new
Speaker 1: job and always sort of floundering at it. But a
Speaker 1: big episode right off the top, because this is what
Speaker 1: Laurel I has been doing for seventeen years, getting her
Speaker 1: ready to get to Harvard. You know, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is like a and it was the big one. That's
Speaker 1: the big episode, the big one. It keep going and
Speaker 1: some funny lines where they, you know, Loalize says something
Speaker 1: to the effect of, if it's big, you're in. If
Speaker 1: it's little, you'll have to marry Rich. Just very quick lines.
Speaker 1: And then we also learned that Mrs Rita Flora has died.
Speaker 1: She must be a stars Hollow Town member. We didn't
Speaker 1: really know, So I'm going to Google readA Flora that's
Speaker 1: got to be an historical reference somehow, ma he be.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just assumed she was someone that
Speaker 1: lived in the town that Kirk cat or mail and
Speaker 1: they call him Santa, which I thought was funny. And
Speaker 1: his shirt says Mail Carrier, So you know, I love
Speaker 1: Kirk as the as the postman. I thought that was
Speaker 1: all great. So we go from there to Luke's, which
Speaker 1: was quite a significant theme because we learn there are
Speaker 1: new menus because of Nicole and that he's still with
Speaker 1: Nicole like Nicole, and and then and it spawned one
Speaker 1: of the great lines. You've been menu whipped. That was
Speaker 1: a brilliant Luke Laurel scene. Yeah, because they're just king
Speaker 1: pong like we love obviously they love each other. Even
Speaker 1: though what was what was the menu item that Cristo? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I love that it was on the menu just
Speaker 1: because it was maybe I could order it, not that
Speaker 1: I ever had. He said, it's a it's a conversation piece.
Speaker 1: You've eliminated a conversation piece. I actually didn't know what
Speaker 1: a monna Cristo was. I had the mother is so good.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a is it like a reverse
Speaker 1: grilled cheese, got tomato and ham and cheese. What do
Speaker 1: you think of a tomato? I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: croake monster. I don't know how you say that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they I looked it up. So so there's like a
Speaker 1: sandwich that's on menus croke monster, which I think is
Speaker 1: a fancy way of saying grilled cheese. I think the
Speaker 1: Monna Cristo is like the deep Yeah it's with ham,
Speaker 1: turkey and Swiss cheese and it's dipped in egg batter
Speaker 1: and deep fried. Yeah, so bad for you, but so yeah,
Speaker 1: so good. I never had a Monic Crystal I've had
Speaker 1: I've had one. Do they We're we're gonna need to
Speaker 1: track down they have some amy, they have some of Disneyland. Disneyland, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where I had it. Where um it's at uh.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like if you want New Orleans Square
Speaker 1: and you can dip it in like um, like like
Speaker 1: a restaurant, but they now serve it outside of the
Speaker 1: Blue Bike you so you don't have to make a reservation.
Speaker 1: You can just order it and get it. And they
Speaker 1: have like a jelly like a jam that you can
Speaker 1: dip it in. Oh it's so good. Maybe I should
Speaker 1: go maybe next time, Like you're here, Amy, I should
Speaker 1: go get one and like bring it to you. Where
Speaker 1: are you? Where are you near? Just I'm in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: She's in l A. So you can go to Disneyland.
Speaker 1: Wait are you going to Disneyland? Maybe we need to
Speaker 1: make a video of you eating the I mean, can
Speaker 1: you guys? Okay, great, I'm going on Saturday. Great? Can
Speaker 1: you film yourself and doing the Monte Cristo so on
Speaker 1: the Instagram? Sure? Oh that's nice. Okay, well okay, So Scott,
Speaker 1: what do you think, Scott? What does Scott think about
Speaker 1: the fact that Luke kind of did what Nicole wanted,
Speaker 1: added salads and did new menus? What does Scott think
Speaker 1: of that? I think that, Um, I think the seeds
Speaker 1: of doom have been planted, because I mean because Laurel.
Speaker 1: Laurels level of ridicule is the bell weather for his life,
Speaker 1: isn't it right? Oh my god? I so agree. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, he's adding salads. They're over. It's going to
Speaker 1: be over. That's what I thought said, because Luke doesn't
Speaker 1: even though he's doing it, he's really doing it to
Speaker 1: be sweet. He really likes her. But no, Laura, I
Speaker 1: would never ever ever make Luke add salads to the menu,
Speaker 1: and that's why he got so irritated, because he knows
Speaker 1: he's in the wrong relationship. It wasn't a conversation about
Speaker 1: the menu. It was a conversation about you're you're with
Speaker 1: the wrong girl. I'm the right girl. All subconscious, right,
Speaker 1: all subliminal. I totally agree, right, like I would. Basically
Speaker 1: she's saying I wouldn't try to change you. So, you
Speaker 1: know what I loved about that scene, the subtlety they
Speaker 1: get the menus, this looks different, like so, and then
Speaker 1: you're like like, are we at Luke's what's happening here?
Speaker 1: You know? And then he's like what I had all
Speaker 1: my doodle And then because these new menus the plastic
Speaker 1: is to discourage the doodling. I mean to me, I
Speaker 1: thought it was like I love the whole scene. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh and then oh my god, what is the part
Speaker 1: where they say girlfriend and you say, no, Nicole is
Speaker 1: the woman I am dating? That's it, which is like
Speaker 1: also just telling me this woman is going to be gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah she's going, that's for sure. Yeah she's she's having
Speaker 1: an undo influence on Luke. And that and Laura line
Speaker 1: has to leap into action and make sure she writes
Speaker 1: the ship. Yes, And really I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: so much born of her wanting to be with him.
Speaker 1: It's just really like her world is built around these things, right,
Speaker 1: did you try to change? This is not happening? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know what? I think? It's kind of interesting. So
Speaker 1: you know what in and out there's like secret menu items.
Speaker 1: Why weren't the salad just why can't Nicole just order
Speaker 1: the salad? Like did it have to be on the
Speaker 1: menu because you know, I don't know, she's an attorney.
Speaker 1: She maybe she just wants to take over. She's looking
Speaker 1: at Luke and she's beginning like maybe his clothes will
Speaker 1: change to addressed differently, you know what I mean? Maybe
Speaker 1: she's suggesting, why do you wear the hat all the time?
Speaker 1: You know? Now if that came off, I mean all
Speaker 1: hell would break loose. It's just over. Yea. So we
Speaker 1: now go from Luke Steiner to Chiltern. Now I'm really
Speaker 1: hungry what happened? So we learn there's a new teacher,
Speaker 1: which I didn't know. I didn't recognize that teacher, and
Speaker 1: then we learn that there is the children by Centennial celebration,
Speaker 1: and there's the speech competition. Brad Langford has returned. Who
Speaker 1: got the Hickey? Which that was uh, Louise, that was
Speaker 1: It's Louise and made yeah uh. And we learned that
Speaker 1: this the winner of the speech sort of competition will
Speaker 1: be on c SPAN, which I love, Like I'm jumping ahead,
Speaker 1: but I love Richard's love of the vote in the
Speaker 1: like literally he's all, oh, it's fascinated. So Paris is
Speaker 1: in rare form just being so vile Brad. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it was fine. It was fine, But I also totally
Speaker 1: I also was wondering, like, how did Brad finished school
Speaker 1: while on Broadway? Maybe he was just doing he was
Speaker 1: doing a theater school. What's that called TV school? Theater school? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have this, and in New York they're really good,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they're good everywhere, but New York. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I do think there was an inside joke there
Speaker 1: because I actually think he went to do into the
Speaker 1: woods if I remember, yeah, it was to the Woods,
Speaker 1: you but Brad Langford went to the Woods. But so
Speaker 1: the actor if I remember, you know what, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had him on, didn't we that? Yeah? Yeah he did.
Speaker 1: It was it was Amy Amy's opportunity to uh to
Speaker 1: express her love of musical theater, which has love for you.
Speaker 1: My favorite line was do you need a five, six, seven, eight,
Speaker 1: get out of my way? Reading moreno or no? What
Speaker 1: did he say? Rivera? Out of my Wayeta Rivera? So
Speaker 1: that sort of sets up. That was a great scene.
Speaker 1: That just sort of sets up like, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have this competition. This is a major thing in this episode.
Speaker 1: And now it's also paris Is back. We haven't back
Speaker 1: paris Is back. We've seen her, but not in her
Speaker 1: in her like mean elements. But right now she's like
Speaker 1: full guns again the way she was when we first met.
Speaker 1: And we see that she's still feuding with Rory, which
Speaker 1: Weeks would have needed to be reminded. They have clearly
Speaker 1: not made up, which makes the sort of moment that
Speaker 1: we'll get to. She's she's like the Mohammed Ali of
Speaker 1: private school girls versus the Joe Frasier of private school
Speaker 1: girls in Glory, where Mohammed Ali's talking, talking all the
Speaker 1: smack and then he gets in the ring and gets
Speaker 1: knocked out. I love the boxing reference that most of
Speaker 1: us did not get. But yeah, nobody's heard of Muhammad Ali, right, No,
Speaker 1: that when I knew that, I'm assuming Mohammad Ali was
Speaker 1: the that, you know, like a butterfly, sting, like a
Speaker 1: b guy whatever. And then with Joe Frasier quiet, subtle, nice,
Speaker 1: you don't think he's going to have bark to his
Speaker 1: bite kind of a thing. I don't think I got
Speaker 1: any of those phrases right. Ali verbally abused and humiliated
Speaker 1: Joe Frasier during the marketing campaign for the for the fight.
Speaker 1: He was he was big at promotion and and Joe
Speaker 1: took it very personally one and Joe knocked him out. Also,
Speaker 1: sorry for the interrupting. I see you Instagram. I'm working
Speaker 1: on it and working. I just get excited. I get it, okay.
Speaker 1: So then we go to the inn and Suki is
Speaker 1: in the kitchen and we immediately know something is wrong.
Speaker 1: The food tastes bad. That's not like suki. No, and
Speaker 1: it tastes like sewage, and the whole kitchen staff knows.
Speaker 1: I thought the background acting there it was it was
Speaker 1: very musical theater. When Roy came in and wanted to
Speaker 1: eat something and they go that was like being on Broadway.
Speaker 1: That was a Broadway stick, right, That whole scene was
Speaker 1: so choreographed to because she thinks the food is fine,
Speaker 1: and you immediately know the whole kitchen staff knows the
Speaker 1: food is not fine. So that was just all amused saying,
Speaker 1: and uh, that was really that was so much happening,
Speaker 1: really great reveal for her pregnancy. I thought that scene
Speaker 1: was remarkably heartwarming and fun and just just happy and
Speaker 1: what a great way. I mean, she just comes running
Speaker 1: out I'm pregnant, and I knew because I assumed Lord
Speaker 1: I was looking at the calendar or something. The sudden
Speaker 1: realization of like, oh my god, and also just like
Speaker 1: food tasting different and stuff like that. I don't know
Speaker 1: if she was looking at the calendar. I felt like
Speaker 1: Loya I was looking at the calendar. She went to
Speaker 1: the computer, right, and she's doing something which looked like
Speaker 1: a new computer. By the way, did anyone else think
Speaker 1: they've kind of upgraded their technology there at the Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they did. So she's the whole thing. There's so
Speaker 1: much movement in that scene because think about it, we
Speaker 1: start in the kitchen, we've got the plates out, which
Speaker 1: I actually thought the plates didn't look as beautiful it
Speaker 1: as a presentation as I would expect but if the
Speaker 1: food look good. It did, but it looked it didn't
Speaker 1: look plated as I would assume. Suki insist that the
Speaker 1: food we plated, but I thought it that was my
Speaker 1: only bone to pick. Oh, we forgot to start with
Speaker 1: our bones to pick because we have barely any but
Speaker 1: that movie my one. We're out of the bone yard
Speaker 1: on this episode exactly. So then we go So then
Speaker 1: Rory be bops in and she's sort of explaining her
Speaker 1: situation versus Paris with the speech, and we're learning about
Speaker 1: that wall that we're doing this dance in the kitchen
Speaker 1: with the plates in the Then no, then we go
Speaker 1: out to the front desk. I swear Laura went in
Speaker 1: her purse and did she get candy? And he handed
Speaker 1: like a chocolate bar and she handed it to Rory
Speaker 1: and she ate it the whole time. She gave her
Speaker 1: what was it a tick tack or looks like a
Speaker 1: kick kat or essen kit kat. So she and all
Speaker 1: the movements, so she's in the purse, she grabs it,
Speaker 1: she hands the candy. Rory's eating the candy, still telling
Speaker 1: the story about the speech. All we're simultaneously in the
Speaker 1: back of our minds thinking about why does the food
Speaker 1: taste grows? I mean, there was so much happening. It
Speaker 1: was like you could be spinning. And then she goes
Speaker 1: to the computer. Oh my god, I'm pregnant. Suki comes
Speaker 1: out pregnant. I mean, the whole scene was just like
Speaker 1: but that's why it's great. There's so much going on.
Speaker 1: There's there's all these narratives running around, and it's the
Speaker 1: the audience is a little bit behind the story, which
Speaker 1: they need to be. If we get out in front
Speaker 1: of it, we're bored if we're behind it, So that
Speaker 1: so Amy is just like loading on stuff and great
Speaker 1: lines and and and we just like we're on the
Speaker 1: edge of our seat, like what's next. And I caught
Speaker 1: something and I don't think it was a real deep
Speaker 1: personal insult against her mother, but she said something very
Speaker 1: funny to her mother. Tell me, wait, so Rory says
Speaker 1: something to Loure Lie. Yeah, and this is the thing
Speaker 1: I need to was the scene like three more times
Speaker 1: because there's so much happening, so retain it. Roy said,
Speaker 1: you know, she had bitted to her mother that she
Speaker 1: wanted to win this competition because she wanted to give
Speaker 1: the speech on on c span right, So she said, uh,
Speaker 1: I really want to do that, mom, I want to
Speaker 1: I really want to beat Paris and I want to
Speaker 1: run around the circles and said I went, I went,
Speaker 1: I yes, And Laurel I says, well, that's great. You're
Speaker 1: becoming more like me. Now, this isn't that she and
Speaker 1: she goes, yeah, I know it's a kind of creepy
Speaker 1: and petty, but you know, dad, And I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: is that a backhanded slapper? But Laurela I didn't take
Speaker 1: it that way. And I'm sure it wasn't end of
Speaker 1: a dig. I would have never unless you said that,
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have noticed. Yeah I noticed. I do
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: want to make a big thing, you know, No, But
Speaker 1: it's a little it's funny. It's funny, like a little
Speaker 1: bit of a dig, a compliment dig. It's sort of
Speaker 1: like it's a backhanded compliment, right, And it's like their
Speaker 1: relationship is so solid and so tight that you could
Speaker 1: just sort of but it's sort of like when someone
Speaker 1: says like, oh, you look good, have you lost weight?
Speaker 1: And then you're like, wait, yeah, no, I just had
Speaker 1: that conversation with someone because like I usually don't wear
Speaker 1: like a lot of makeup on these rooms and almost like, wow,
Speaker 1: you look great, and I put like mascara on and
Speaker 1: like my line and I'm like, yeah, I actually tried, right,
Speaker 1: So you're like I look and look bad brother day.
Speaker 1: But but but these are the kinds of comments that
Speaker 1: can end relationships. I mean, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: if you're not so close the yeah anyway, I think.
Speaker 1: But it's also great. It's that's ultimate sort of compliment,
Speaker 1: but not like, okay, so great scene. And then so
Speaker 1: now we've got another humongous plot something what do you
Speaker 1: call it? Thing? Because now Suki is pregnant. So it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're waiting for the college acceptances. Now
Speaker 1: we've got this sort of secondary storyline of this speech.
Speaker 1: Suki is pregnant. It's like, oh my okay. So now
Speaker 1: the kids at Chiltern are all kind of getting ready
Speaker 1: to do their audition speeches. I guess I don't know
Speaker 1: what you'd call it, Like they're they're doing their tryout speeches,
Speaker 1: and Paris is just intimidating the whole line, just going
Speaker 1: down the line. She just it was one after another.
Speaker 1: All right, so I want to tell you a story.
Speaker 1: And this is a common technique adopted by people who
Speaker 1: are hmm, I don't know if I want to say insecure,
Speaker 1: just just people that want to psych out a room.
Speaker 1: And I did this one time in an audition and
Speaker 1: there was a uh an, extremely beautiful woman there at
Speaker 1: this one audition, and there was a lot of guys
Speaker 1: in the room. And I actually knew this girl and
Speaker 1: I knew her boyfriend. So I told her, I said, listen,
Speaker 1: don't you know, like recognize me and I won't recognize you,
Speaker 1: but I want let's do something to them. Because there
Speaker 1: were a lot of a lot of girls. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of guys auditioning. It was a big part.
Speaker 1: It was like in the it was I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was in like the mid to late nineties. And
Speaker 1: I said, every single guy in this room is staring
Speaker 1: at you. Okay, they all want to ask you out.
Speaker 1: I said, why don't I just come up to you
Speaker 1: start chatting you up. That'll start getting into their heads, right,
Speaker 1: it will, And then I will take you outside and
Speaker 1: we will run lines, so we'll help each other with
Speaker 1: the audition because I want to run lines and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you want to run lines because it was the
Speaker 1: part was to be opposite each other as a boyfriend
Speaker 1: and girlfriend. Um, and it'll it'll freak all these guys
Speaker 1: out and give it'll give you the edge. It'll give
Speaker 1: really me a bigger edge. And when I get in
Speaker 1: the room, because I'll be the I'll be the cool guy.
Speaker 1: I'll be the cool guy that like, you know, this work.
Speaker 1: I did get the part. Yes, she said, yes, let's
Speaker 1: do it. She said, let's let's do it. So we
Speaker 1: went outside and they could see us because it was
Speaker 1: these these windows, these uh, ceiling to floor windows, and
Speaker 1: then the shades weren't drawn, so they saw us out
Speaker 1: there laughing and talking and oh my god, and they
Speaker 1: got tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter. And I
Speaker 1: walked in loose, loose and prepared and got and got
Speaker 1: the offer. You you know, it's so funny. It's the
Speaker 1: first time. I mean, I think I've probably thought about
Speaker 1: this before. But like when you're yes, acting is not
Speaker 1: just about the skill, but you're also like up against
Speaker 1: these other people and they're all good actors too, they're
Speaker 1: all good cutthroat. Oh yeah, it is, oh yeah, the
Speaker 1: pressure in those waiting rooms reminds me of like the
Speaker 1: doctor's office. Wait, that's all that's everybody's like, Am I dying? Right?
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted That's how I wanted to go
Speaker 1: more to Lucy Lucy goosey and loud and how did
Speaker 1: you do that one? Same? I didn't. I didn't do
Speaker 1: mind games so much in that one, but I walked
Speaker 1: in the room and I was just sort of like
Speaker 1: free and loud and how you doing? What's happening? And
Speaker 1: it is better to go in not caring if you
Speaker 1: get it or not. I mean, if you can mentally
Speaker 1: do that, Yeah, that's best. Yeah, it's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: actually a good idea. If you no, you're not going
Speaker 1: to get it, don't care if you're going to get it,
Speaker 1: but you're prepared. Yeah. Wait, so do you You didn't?
Speaker 1: You don't audition anymore? Did you audition for this job
Speaker 1: you have now? Now? Oh? No, no, no, it was
Speaker 1: a phone call. Yeah, when's the last audition? He went on,
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, I well they do them on tape now,
Speaker 1: So I I put an audition on tape for Natalie
Speaker 1: Portman to play opposite her in this series. She's doing
Speaker 1: that cool or to be her, to be not not
Speaker 1: her love interest, but her, to be her maybe maybe
Speaker 1: her boss. Oh that's cool. Yeah, I wouldn't. I'm putting
Speaker 1: myself on tape. I can't even answer. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: whole different world. That's a whole different world. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to get a picture taken. It's like, okay, alright,
Speaker 1: so we digress a great story. So Paris, that Paris
Speaker 1: has got some game in your same she's got some game.
Speaker 1: She's I love Rory kind of like again Rory's it's
Speaker 1: it's like good cop, bad cop or something like Garris
Speaker 1: is so unhinged and Rory's like, go go get him, Brad,
Speaker 1: You'll do great, and like don't listen to her and
Speaker 1: like and then trying to go up against Paris, and
Speaker 1: it's just they're so they make for great rivals. But
Speaker 1: I think but I think that Rory said less but
Speaker 1: had more impact and actually one that little tep I agree,
Speaker 1: I because she was on the side of right, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and we need this because of what we're coming to.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I never went into rooms and
Speaker 1: tried to bring anybody down that was that I was
Speaker 1: going to somebody and being like you suck man. Yeah, man, hey,
Speaker 1: you're not going to remember those lines. Jase, that's a
Speaker 1: big paragraph. Did you have trouble like I did? Don't
Speaker 1: you hate it when you get tense in the room
Speaker 1: and you just freeze up. I hate that. I think
Speaker 1: that happened to you, buddy. The scene that we're getting
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode was so much more
Speaker 1: significant because of these scenes leading up to it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so absolutely absolutely. We get lower Lye on the phone
Speaker 1: with Suki and they're a you know, loyally is asking
Speaker 1: how did it go when you told Jackson? And we
Speaker 1: learned that Jackson is completely freaking out losing his mind,
Speaker 1: which I actually found sweet. Oh boy, oh boy. I
Speaker 1: think I think a lot of dad's go through this.
Speaker 1: Id you. Yeah, but I didn't start babyproofing the house
Speaker 1: until throwing away knives. Yeah, I mean I I did
Speaker 1: it pretty quick. Uh wait, did you did you actually
Speaker 1: like freak out and start buying things for plugs? And
Speaker 1: oh sure, well I didn't freak out. I just you know,
Speaker 1: we just bought what we needed to get the plastic
Speaker 1: things in the plugs, and there were a lot of
Speaker 1: plugs in that house bags full of them. Oh those
Speaker 1: things are so annoying. I cannot get them out. And
Speaker 1: we have plugs on the floor too. I mean they're
Speaker 1: all have those plug things all over our one of
Speaker 1: our houses and it's like I can't get them up.
Speaker 1: Did you baby proof before the baby was born? No,
Speaker 1: when he started walking, we had the plugs, of course,
Speaker 1: but he was you know, he was in a crib
Speaker 1: for a year or what did you do all those things?
Speaker 1: You can't open a drawer, you know those things, so
Speaker 1: like the baby proof the drawers and then adults cannot
Speaker 1: open again. No, but we had to. We we tried
Speaker 1: to really subtle ones that go inside the drawer there
Speaker 1: and they really work and there's there. They could be
Speaker 1: a pain in the as. Then we ripped those out.
Speaker 1: So this we can't we can't even figure out. So
Speaker 1: we got the big plastic, ugly white ones that actually work.
Speaker 1: It looks like a bike lock. So we had them
Speaker 1: all over, all over the kitchen, all over. Brother has
Speaker 1: baby gates like everywhere. Oh yeah, you have to. I
Speaker 1: just have to climb over them because I cannot be
Speaker 1: the baby. Yeah, it's easily, But we had we had
Speaker 1: as in the old house with this big sunken living room.
Speaker 1: We stepped down into a couple of stuff. But those
Speaker 1: steps had corners. They didn't go across the whole the
Speaker 1: whole way, so they were so they were like sharp
Speaker 1: edges on those steps. So I would get the pillows
Speaker 1: that were on the couch that I didn't think we're
Speaker 1: particularly attractive in the first place. They were my wife's choice,
Speaker 1: and I would I would. I would cover those edges
Speaker 1: up all over the living room because it was on
Speaker 1: the dining room side and for your side, and I
Speaker 1: put the pillows there so if he ever fell, he'd
Speaker 1: fall on the pillow. Smart and crazy, Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's what you do. You anticipate as a father. You
Speaker 1: anticipate and protect. Well, you don't. You don't wait for
Speaker 1: the bad thing to happen. You play all the bad
Speaker 1: things out in your mind. Every possible scenario is just
Speaker 1: clear everything out. It is funny, though, what people do
Speaker 1: for the first kid and then by the third kid.
Speaker 1: Hanging my sister in law was really like no TV,
Speaker 1: no sugar, like none of that for the first kid,
Speaker 1: and then a little bit on the second. By the
Speaker 1: time my niece Roxy was born, it was like here's
Speaker 1: an iPad, here's a cup. Kid were going to say,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I love how Jackson's thinking about
Speaker 1: this and like it hasn't even comprehended that like a baby.
Speaker 1: He wanted, what was it? Five and five? Is that? What?
Speaker 1: Four and four? Four and four? And he's like, because
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like then, I mean, we're jumping ahead a
Speaker 1: little bit. But like the knife thing, it's like that,
Speaker 1: you have years until the kids climbing together the kitchen counter. Oh,
Speaker 1: you'd be surprised how they can climb pretty quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's boys are nuts. Like they are on top
Speaker 1: of the couch upside down. Yes, they are real fast. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nick was like Spider Man. It was something. She was
Speaker 1: on the ceiling one, So how did you get up there? Okay,
Speaker 1: so now we have sort of a what I think
Speaker 1: is a I guess I'll just we'll talk about it
Speaker 1: because she has to go to doses to look for
Speaker 1: the allergy medicine for it to not be there, I suppose,
Speaker 1: so that we have a reason for her to go
Speaker 1: in the CBS at Hartford or whatever whichever it was at.
Speaker 1: But it was still a funny scene with Dean and
Speaker 1: Kirk and Kirk's on the ground with the male and
Speaker 1: it was sort of just a mess. But it was
Speaker 1: sort of a nothing scene. It was random because I
Speaker 1: was like, who needed the medication? She did? She had allergies,
Speaker 1: So it was just was random. Yeah, it was just
Speaker 1: like a plot. Don't you don't you flog my flawless episode.
Speaker 1: There was nothing wrong with it. That's my bones pick,
Speaker 1: that's my bones pick A little we are in a
Speaker 1: salmon you know something any bones today bumps right into Max.
Speaker 1: I forgot I forgot the drugstore and her for Harvard.
Speaker 1: I'm assumed it was like yeah, right and Max and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, what do you guys think I forgot?
Speaker 1: This even happens like I with a second I saw him, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's right. He comes back like I forgot.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of a nice surprise for me.
Speaker 1: But I think Max will always I don't know, he
Speaker 1: has like out of all the besides Luke, out of
Speaker 1: all the random boyfriends, like he was my favorite. Wow, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I liked him coming back, and I you know, I
Speaker 1: love Scott Colin and I think he's terrific. And yeah
Speaker 1: he got he got the whammy and he got out
Speaker 1: of there and he's over it. You could tell he
Speaker 1: was over it. You could tell she wasn't over it.
Speaker 1: Terrific acting job on her part because she really did
Speaker 1: what she really was glowing that whole scene is just
Speaker 1: kind of smiling at him and she was flush in
Speaker 1: this whole episode. Was so pretty in the whole episode.
Speaker 1: See that's the subtlety of of what the what the
Speaker 1: really strong actors do is you can is what she
Speaker 1: was doing in that scene. She was really happy to
Speaker 1: see him, and you can tell physically, you could tell.
Speaker 1: And when he left, she didn't want him to go,
Speaker 1: but he's like, okay, like goodn to see you, and
Speaker 1: she was like you could tell she wanted ten more hours.
Speaker 1: Very funny when he says he's in he was in
Speaker 1: California and she's all calibunga dude, and then the jokes
Speaker 1: about Stanford. I just thought, okay, good, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: at that point he was over all the you know,
Speaker 1: the stand up comedian that she is. It's like, oh God,
Speaker 1: here we go again. You know, she she was using
Speaker 1: maybe using that the real back in. You know, he
Speaker 1: wasn't going for it, uh not really apparently not as
Speaker 1: he says, you know, so we'll get to that. She's powerful. Right.
Speaker 1: We go to Friday Night Dinner, which I thought was
Speaker 1: hilarious because it's so Richard, it's we get so there.
Speaker 1: You're right, it is interesting. There's no Emily in this episode,
Speaker 1: and you Friday Night Night Dinner is much lighter, much funnier.
Speaker 1: He just like didn't know like what like like the
Speaker 1: phone was ringing in He's like, all right, I have
Speaker 1: to answer the phone. Oh my god, Laurel, I prank
Speaker 1: calling from the Oh but wait a minute. Her a line.
Speaker 1: When he opened the door, she goes, boy, mom's getting you.
Speaker 1: What do you saying? What do you say? What is
Speaker 1: something about? Wasn't about to help the maide, Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: certainly looking. It was great. Let's see, let's see if
Speaker 1: our crack staff anyone remember. I did not remember because
Speaker 1: I was so that was a drawn over all, the strokes,
Speaker 1: the strokes and the d A R. But they made
Speaker 1: it funny. She Amy made it really funny with the
Speaker 1: strokes and the strokes on top of strokes, and people
Speaker 1: falling to remind us that they had strokes, you know,
Speaker 1: they had strokes. And one of them says to each
Speaker 1: other or strokes stroke it so happy and then uh
Speaker 1: dying to tell Rory that she just bumped into Max.
Speaker 1: And I thought that it was so funny when Rory says, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on loan somewhere her own somewhere. From that
Speaker 1: whole everything about it was awesome because that's where we
Speaker 1: get the c span line do where Richard's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I love a televised house. The school can change if
Speaker 1: the school can change the time, right right, Rory Alexis
Speaker 1: is acting is so perfectly. But I love the ease
Speaker 1: and uh and the joy with which ed Herman was
Speaker 1: acting in that scene, you know, going over to get
Speaker 1: the drink and then sitting down and just you know,
Speaker 1: he he just is such a He was such a
Speaker 1: wonderful actor. He really you tell me about that, Like
Speaker 1: he makes it look like he's not acting or working right.
Speaker 1: Everything is that there's no sharp edges to it. It's
Speaker 1: all very smooth and it flows, and he's and he's
Speaker 1: you know, he's so alive and present and and and
Speaker 1: just enjoying what he's doing. I mean, and you believe
Speaker 1: everything and even to the point where he stopped and
Speaker 1: turned around listen to it and then he realize he
Speaker 1: had to go answer the phone. I mean, it's all,
Speaker 1: it all has the quality of what Stanislawski used to
Speaker 1: call the quality of the first time. So it's like,
Speaker 1: it all seems very spontaneous when he's doing, like what
Speaker 1: everybody's doing. But but but ed Herman was such a
Speaker 1: wonderful actor, and I know I was. I was hard
Speaker 1: on him last week. It wasn't him the actor, it
Speaker 1: was it was the situations that he was placed. And
Speaker 1: you're only as good as you're writing, Okay, you're just
Speaker 1: criticizing the fact that Richard, the Richard we know would
Speaker 1: have stood up for Emily and would have stood up
Speaker 1: to Tricks. That's why I find that I find that
Speaker 1: you go, no, no, I do not get that part
Speaker 1: of his character, you know, I don't. I find so
Speaker 1: fascinating is that Richard would only be that way with
Speaker 1: his mother, meaning he would stand up to anybody, work
Speaker 1: at wherever. But his mother has power over him. And
Speaker 1: I find that to be very believable. But she but Tricks.
Speaker 1: She has Tricks has no redeeming qualities. Where are her
Speaker 1: redeeming qualities? I think I've not seen them. She has
Speaker 1: no empathy, and people that have no empathy, you know what,
Speaker 1: we call them narcissists. Yeah, yeah, even worse, even worse.
Speaker 1: A narcissist can empathy. A narcissist can have some empathy,
Speaker 1: but a sociopath and a psychopath cannot. I think I
Speaker 1: think that is an interesting debate. If there's anything likable
Speaker 1: about brand Tricks, I think that we will. I think
Speaker 1: she has. I think there's more to it there. I
Speaker 1: don't think she's full villain. I think that Richard tricks
Speaker 1: dynamic I think hurts his character. You can't hurt her character,
Speaker 1: and more than than she already is. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: she's in a fixed state of bad. But yeah, but
Speaker 1: Richard's character, how he bounces off of her, I think it.
Speaker 1: That's what I was objecting to. But there's an element
Speaker 1: of him that's a bit of a mama's boy, and
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. It's not like I don't love it.
Speaker 1: I don't admire it. It's not, but it it makes
Speaker 1: sense to him. It goes against everything that he is about.
Speaker 1: It goes against everything that That's where we disagree. I
Speaker 1: think that's the part where we disagree because I think
Speaker 1: I don't find it an interesting character quirk. It's it's
Speaker 1: there's something larger at play than that I don't like
Speaker 1: about I love him. I love him most of the time.
Speaker 1: His acting is just the it's the writing you are criticizing.
Speaker 1: But will continue this debate because Tricks is not going away.
Speaker 1: So we've got more of that. So quickly, we have
Speaker 1: the scene on the porch with Laura I am Suki.
Speaker 1: Quick brief scene, but we're realizing, Okay, like Jackson is
Speaker 1: a good guy. He's just trying to there was there
Speaker 1: ever any doubt? Nope, no, And and even though he
Speaker 1: didn't get excited and Suki didn't have her moment with
Speaker 1: him of just being so happy, what we're realizing is like,
Speaker 1: this guy is taking this seriously. Let her drive, want
Speaker 1: drive more than seven miles per hour. It's like two
Speaker 1: hours to get home for the doctor's scene. That's a
Speaker 1: funny joke of itself. It's very dangerous in real life
Speaker 1: to drive seven. And that scene where they're in the
Speaker 1: bed and sort of Jackson comes around, you really appreciate
Speaker 1: their relationship and the whole thing, and that was a
Speaker 1: great They are important characters in this show, really important.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I thought the way that all played out,
Speaker 1: I thought was great. So okay, so now we get
Speaker 1: the three way phone call, which is hilarious that the
Speaker 1: assistant is calling Rory and Paris with Headmaster Charleston to
Speaker 1: let them know that he's changed the rules and they
Speaker 1: are going to do the speech together. I like how
Speaker 1: they're silent with each other when they were waiting to connect,
Speaker 1: like they just both didn't say a word, and they're
Speaker 1: so polite to head Master Charleston even though they're like,
Speaker 1: al so, why is he calling at night? I don't know,
Speaker 1: in on like a Friday night. Was Friday night, right
Speaker 1: like probably nine o'clock to probably give them the most
Speaker 1: possible time to begin working on a combined speed. And
Speaker 1: what's that guy still doing at school at nine o'clock
Speaker 1: on a Friday night. Maybe it's what you think, you think,
Speaker 1: being a headmaster at a fancy private schools up all
Speaker 1: those calls to the Ivy League institutions talking about this
Speaker 1: student that student. My god, So Paris and Rory talk
Speaker 1: and okay, they're going to do the speech over the phone,
Speaker 1: and suddenly, knock, knock, knock, Paris Is at the door,
Speaker 1: and we learned she has slept with Jamie. You know,
Speaker 1: that scene scared me because she is so disconnected from
Speaker 1: her own feelings and it was just kind of chilling
Speaker 1: actually when she you know, I slept with Jamie and
Speaker 1: I don't know how I should feel about it, and
Speaker 1: I'm numb and how Rory, I want to tell you
Speaker 1: about this and how should I feel about this? But
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a conversation that like teenage girls have,
Speaker 1: like you go to your friend, you need to confine
Speaker 1: your friend. I thought it was pretty spot on, actually
Speaker 1: just kind of thought. Yes, I thought that it was
Speaker 1: very spot on. But Scott is right that Paris is
Speaker 1: unhinged essentially all the time, Like she this happened, and
Speaker 1: she's really trying to figure out how she feels about it,
Speaker 1: like this is what human beings do, but it happened
Speaker 1: to me, and I don't know how to feel about it?
Speaker 1: Right him Right, We did have one of the best lines, though,
Speaker 1: so she so obviously Rory in Paris are on the phone,
Speaker 1: and then Paris come to the door and tells me
Speaker 1: she's love with Jamie, and Roy Saupp was something that said, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so then we have this scene is so important because
Speaker 1: we we we obviously knew she didn't sleep with Dane,
Speaker 1: she didn't sleep with Jess, even though we had are
Speaker 1: like weird, know you guys put a little bit of
Speaker 1: te It was Danielle's first time watching too, and I
Speaker 1: had a weird moment. But and then Lora Lyne listening
Speaker 1: in and being so terrified and then so ecstatic and
Speaker 1: she raised her daughter right. I got the good kid.
Speaker 1: And do you know what actors hate the most is
Speaker 1: when they have to do those lines at the end
Speaker 1: of scenes. I have a great kid. You look at
Speaker 1: that and you go, oh no, I have to say that,
Speaker 1: and I have to make that work. That's the hardest
Speaker 1: job you have is to sell that line. She sold
Speaker 1: it beautifully. Oh God, she sold it beautiful. And it's
Speaker 1: the hardest, the hardest thing to do. I feel myself
Speaker 1: right now getting emotional. I was so emotional watching it.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Right from this moment until the
Speaker 1: end of the episode, I believe because Liza played that
Speaker 1: plays Paris so well. No, there's another reason. Can I
Speaker 1: can I expound? Yes, here's what I think it is,
Speaker 1: and this is what it is for me. This is
Speaker 1: the experience I'm having with this show. Paris hasn't been
Speaker 1: around in a while, and I've been super critical of
Speaker 1: her right as a character, not as an actress, as
Speaker 1: a character. I missed her. She came back and I
Speaker 1: was like, Ah, Paul is right in the world and
Speaker 1: the Gilmour world, because she's back and she's she's you know,
Speaker 1: full Monty insulting everybody and being funny about it. These
Speaker 1: characters or Is grow on us. They are be they
Speaker 1: become our friends. Hence this level of addiction, because these
Speaker 1: characters are so extreme and so unpredictable and so smart
Speaker 1: and so driven and so on maybe so much like
Speaker 1: people we know, all at the same time being so
Speaker 1: unlike anybody we've ever met. And that's hard to balance,
Speaker 1: and they do it so beautifully on the show with
Speaker 1: these characters, because they're all very reminiscent of people that
Speaker 1: we sort of know and have run into, but they're
Speaker 1: nothing like anybody we know at the same time. So
Speaker 1: I missed them. I missed Richard. I missed the old Richard.
Speaker 1: I missed that I bulliant Richard. I missed Paris. I
Speaker 1: love seeing Paris rehabilitate herself. I love and as chilling
Speaker 1: as I thought that scene was. I love that she
Speaker 1: opened up to to Rory, and I love the breakdown,
Speaker 1: see all that stuff. I love these people. These are
Speaker 1: my friends now, I think. God, I think because even
Speaker 1: Max Max is back. I think when you're saying that,
Speaker 1: think you're so spot on. I missed Paris and Rory
Speaker 1: getting along. Yes, I'm gonna like I know I always cry,
Speaker 1: but it's like that scene was so unbelievable and so beautiful.
Speaker 1: I think I missed them. I like their sort of
Speaker 1: always going head to head, but I missed those moments
Speaker 1: where because they were really becoming friends. Dare I say
Speaker 1: they are in a sense. They're not laying and Rory,
Speaker 1: but they are best friends in a way. And so
Speaker 1: it was. I mean, that scene just gutted me. I
Speaker 1: don't keep going, keep going, No, no, I want I
Speaker 1: want to hear what you said. You don't know. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of a quote from one of the great
Speaker 1: directors or a couple of different great directors of all time,
Speaker 1: and they we're talking about what a great script is
Speaker 1: or what a great movie is, and you know, they
Speaker 1: simplify it down to you know, what a great film
Speaker 1: is or great television. You know what it is. It's
Speaker 1: a couple of moments between two people. That's it. That's
Speaker 1: and the rest of it is not important. What gets
Speaker 1: it's important how they get there, and boy did they?
Speaker 1: What what a circuitous route it was to get to
Speaker 1: that moment. And the two three and a half, two
Speaker 1: and a half seasons. What are we in season three now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: three and two and a half seasons to get there,
Speaker 1: two and three quarters season to get there. But we
Speaker 1: got there, and how beautifully we got there. That was
Speaker 1: a real moment between two people. Even though I don't
Speaker 1: think that Paris would have been so disheveled on television
Speaker 1: and in front of the school, I do think her
Speaker 1: reaction to not getting into Harvard and having slept with
Speaker 1: her high you know, she's in high school, he's in college.
Speaker 1: Having slept with this guy, that part, Oh, I think
Speaker 1: that would send anyone, especially Paris, just spiraling, like her saying,
Speaker 1: like I had sex, which is the most shocking thing ever,
Speaker 1: and I didn't get into Harvard. No one would have
Speaker 1: ever thought that would be the what happened? I have
Speaker 1: I have a bone to pick, tell us first bone. Sorry,
Speaker 1: It's okay. There There can always be a bone. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's here's a potential bone, and you guys can talk
Speaker 1: me out of the bone yard after I after I
Speaker 1: picked this bone. Um, what would have the headmaster or
Speaker 1: even Richard or anybody who saw Paris and that state
Speaker 1: allowed her to go up on stage? I totally, I
Speaker 1: totally agree with you. I think Rory would have said,
Speaker 1: you look a mess, what is going on? They all
Speaker 1: just let her. That would have never happened. Ever, I agree,
Speaker 1: And I also think Paris, the pair us we know,
Speaker 1: would not have donald to begin with. She would have
Speaker 1: never been late. Like it just started from that. Go ahead, sorry, no,
Speaker 1: I was going to say. And then like you would
Speaker 1: think that, you know, let's say she did storm the
Speaker 1: stage and get up on there. They wouldn't let her
Speaker 1: continue for like as long as she was sitting there
Speaker 1: would have been like, all right, let's pause, let's get
Speaker 1: her off stage. And I thought, Laura Lie. There was
Speaker 1: a moment where I thought, oh, Lourea Lie is going
Speaker 1: to go up and not not you know, Lorea Lee
Speaker 1: would go up and get her, and then Rory would
Speaker 1: give the speech. The way it transpired was I loved.
Speaker 1: But yes, I think it's a fair bone depict because
Speaker 1: that no one's no. But it made out of school
Speaker 1: like children. She wasn't exactly made for great TV. It
Speaker 1: was a moment, honestly, like between you know, her saying
Speaker 1: she's loved with Jamie and then her getting rejected, all
Speaker 1: within two scenes of each other, was like, damn, you
Speaker 1: feel you feel for her. You now feel what she's feeling,
Speaker 1: and like her showing up in those sweats and that's
Speaker 1: sweater which, by the way, I left her turnal necklace.
Speaker 1: You were two of on this episode. Um, you know
Speaker 1: you you just feel for her, and I think that
Speaker 1: we're always so team Rory and now you're kind of
Speaker 1: feeling what Paris is going through. Well, yeah, and as
Speaker 1: soon as you see Paris walking down the hall, you go, oh,
Speaker 1: what the hell happened? What happened? So I started And
Speaker 1: that's that's good television because all of a sudden, you're like,
Speaker 1: you're fearful of what it could have been. You know
Speaker 1: what I thought. I thought that that Jamie guy either
Speaker 1: dumped her her had done something horrible to it. And
Speaker 1: it was like, oh God, she needs either medical attention,
Speaker 1: or she needs she needs to go talk to a psychologist,
Speaker 1: or you know she she's in bad shape right away,
Speaker 1: and so you know you're thinking, as an audience, like
Speaker 1: what is going to happen? So the anticipation was, yes,
Speaker 1: so agree with you. You're like going a So normally
Speaker 1: when we watch, right, I take my notes and I'm
Speaker 1: always doing this. I sat back. I don't remember what
Speaker 1: I was eating, but I sat back in bed, put
Speaker 1: my legal path to the side, and just watched and
Speaker 1: was like nervous, anxious edge in my seat, like what.
Speaker 1: It also just shows you, like, like going back to
Speaker 1: that they're actually really friends. It's not like Rory and Lane,
Speaker 1: but they're friends. But when Rory you know, pulls her
Speaker 1: off stage and she kind of like talks her like
Speaker 1: you know, like Paris, like you know it's gonna be okay,
Speaker 1: you know, that just shows their friendship and like parents,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Rory can have two best friends in Paris
Speaker 1: is one of them? Yes, this like they were like
Speaker 1: I don't want to say sisters, but they were like
Speaker 1: sisters in the moment because she and it was like
Speaker 1: in that particular case, Rory Rory had it. Y's you know,
Speaker 1: Rory's handling it with the speech. Rory's the together one
Speaker 1: and then you know, she just grabs her and likes her,
Speaker 1: and you don't get a minute of Rory being or
Speaker 1: is not mad at her, nor's not disappointed that he
Speaker 1: was concerned for her friend. Yeah. So so yeah, And
Speaker 1: it was on top of all of the anticipation and
Speaker 1: attention that that created. Uh, it was also very funny, totally.
Speaker 1: She was very funny and so we got some big
Speaker 1: laughs out of it. But here's the thing I think, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think Rory because the Rory Paris friendship
Speaker 1: is odd and it seems like it's so unlikely and
Speaker 1: uh so, uh, you know, opposite ends of the spectrum.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think they're both outsiders in
Speaker 1: their own way. Obviously, Rory's an outside because she stars
Speaker 1: hollow and you know, she's got the mom that she does.
Speaker 1: Paris is more on inside baseball with that crowd. But
Speaker 1: in that crowd, she's not accepted, is she she fear
Speaker 1: She has a reputation as being you know, obsessive, compulsive
Speaker 1: and studies all the time. But does she have friends
Speaker 1: cool or popular at all? But everyone knows her everybody right,
Speaker 1: She's notorious, right, So she's an outsider in her own way.
Speaker 1: So I think that's what makes those two come together.
Speaker 1: I so agree with you. And they both are at
Speaker 1: the top of their game because arguably they both are
Speaker 1: the smartest. They both are the president, the vice president,
Speaker 1: they both got picked to do the speech. They both
Speaker 1: are the top. They're just going about it so differently.
Speaker 1: Can I share with you my all time favorite Richard
Speaker 1: Gilmour moment. It came in this scene because they when
Speaker 1: she was in the middle of her meltdown up there,
Speaker 1: they cut they cut to Richard and he was doing this. Ready,
Speaker 1: he's just doing this. He was like this, he went,
Speaker 1: he looked, his eyes were closed at this turn. No,
Speaker 1: he was not asleep. He was like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be here. This is horrible. Oh my god. Wait,
Speaker 1: oh no, it was hysterical. Wait, it was the best.
Speaker 1: It was the best choice I've seen an actor make
Speaker 1: in a situation like that that he wasn't he was asleep.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Scott, I think you might be wrong
Speaker 1: because I am convinced he's think he was asleep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is why he has no idea what happened, because there's
Speaker 1: a moment later didn't know what happened. No, there's a
Speaker 1: moment later I thought I thought he was like he
Speaker 1: was sound asleep, because there's a moment later when he
Speaker 1: says to Lorela, Okay, that was great sleep. I think
Speaker 1: he got bored. How is working so much? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it was It was just rory until Paris showed so
Speaker 1: prouple of lines. He was all excited to be there.
Speaker 1: He's been working so late, with the calls to Japan
Speaker 1: or whatever. I been taking care of the house and
Speaker 1: take here. So it is my bone to pick, though,
Speaker 1: because right Richard would have never fallen asleep. I agree.
Speaker 1: It was my It's my it's my second. He was
Speaker 1: all excited and energized, and they sat down. She only
Speaker 1: said a couple of lines of speech, and he would
Speaker 1: have he would have been alerted that Paris was in
Speaker 1: some kind of trouble. He's seeing this girl up there
Speaker 1: was crazy. I think they did it. This is my gut,
Speaker 1: and everybody can. Everybody can debate this, and I think
Speaker 1: they did it as comedic relief, probably because they didn't
Speaker 1: need it so intense. I totally agree. I thought it's
Speaker 1: a bone to pick for me. I don't Richard Gilmore
Speaker 1: would have never fallen asleep at that thing, and Richard
Speaker 1: Gilmore would have never been clueless. He would have never
Speaker 1: said to Lorala, well that was a great, great event
Speaker 1: eight speech. Laurel I just goes along with it. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: he would have totally had wise words or yeah, saying
Speaker 1: at all because I thought it was weird. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry this episode still goes in the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame because it's still agree It's still in my mind flawless.
Speaker 1: Look I'm gonna go I'm gonna go to my grave
Speaker 1: thinking Richard was not asleep and that he was just grimacing.
Speaker 1: I am fine with having a few flaws, even in
Speaker 1: a perfect episode. Okay, so we have a few more
Speaker 1: things before we get to the end of this. The
Speaker 1: joke the coat lady said was epic. She's like, there's
Speaker 1: coats in there. Otherwise the staircase to the roof is
Speaker 1: on the right, and and they let it hang, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they gave us that moment.
Speaker 1: And then Laurel I says, oh my god, two years
Speaker 1: and someone finally cracked a joke that was just amazing.
Speaker 1: I have one more little bone to pick with Max.
Speaker 1: I will tell you this is a third bone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I've had three and it's hard of one. Really,
Speaker 1: I didn't love the line. Now, you guys can tell
Speaker 1: me I'm wrong, and maybe I'm being too like about
Speaker 1: I didn't love the line when he said, oh, it's
Speaker 1: hard to be a girl. I'm shut Max. He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: when they're in the coat room and it's hard. Right
Speaker 1: before they kiss, he says, because they're talking about what
Speaker 1: Rory and Paris are going through and all the things.
Speaker 1: You know, Obviously that was a moment. I just thought,
Speaker 1: it's not about being a girl, Max. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I might be being too you know whatever, I I
Speaker 1: can let it slide completely, but I did, right, I
Speaker 1: love that line. I loved the kiss though. I mean
Speaker 1: I was there for it. How do you feel, Scott
Speaker 1: about the kiss? Well, that explains it. I think you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta keep that thing going. You gotta somehow,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta keep it going. I think that
Speaker 1: that it's it's hard. Poor Max. I mean he didn't
Speaker 1: have a chance. I mean, she's so attractive and wonderful,
Speaker 1: and obviously he could tell that she was that he
Speaker 1: had psychological advantage at this point between the two of them, Right,
Speaker 1: I mean she was eating out of his hand. Um.
Speaker 1: She was filled with regret, she was filled with she
Speaker 1: was still physical, she was still physically turned on by
Speaker 1: him because she talks about you look great, you look great,
Speaker 1: you look great, you look right where To me, it
Speaker 1: looked like he'd lost weight from the prior episodes and
Speaker 1: didn't look as great. But he looked pretty much much
Speaker 1: the same and still great. Um. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's hard to resist that, right, how do you resist that?
Speaker 1: And he never was over it? No, No, I think
Speaker 1: him coming in and we just we kind of knew
Speaker 1: something was going to happen, you know, freaking yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: I bring this up every episode and I hope no
Speaker 1: one gets annoyed. We always have this amazing scene, this
Speaker 1: huge crescendo, and then you think, you take a breath,
Speaker 1: and you think, okay, it's over the episodes ending. Nope,
Speaker 1: Rory got the Big End Club. Yeah, three of them,
Speaker 1: And that scene was like, oh my god. It was
Speaker 1: done so well, like because it wasn't like this, oh
Speaker 1: my god, look like you know you run in with
Speaker 1: like you know, from from the mail in the house,
Speaker 1: Like it was just so heartwarming because they were at
Speaker 1: the mailbox together and they didn't see one, but they
Speaker 1: saw three and you realize and I think Laura La
Speaker 1: even says everything you've worked for is now coming true
Speaker 1: and here we go and it was like whoa. That's
Speaker 1: when I just went Wow. This episode just did me in.
Speaker 1: It was so good, so good. So let me ask
Speaker 1: you a few questions from our notes. So for everyone listening,
Speaker 1: we obviously we we we put work into this, so
Speaker 1: we obviously planned things ahead. So Scott had a few
Speaker 1: notes and I really want to share that with you guys.
Speaker 1: So my first question is, Um, we talked about how
Speaker 1: Laura Lie feels about Richard showing up for Rory, and
Speaker 1: I'd love to get your thoughts on that. I think
Speaker 1: she's it's just it's more proof positive that she's such
Speaker 1: a mature woman, UM. And that she's accepted that she's
Speaker 1: not going to get much out of her parents. UM,
Speaker 1: So in return, why should she put so much in?
Speaker 1: But when it comes to her daughter, she does. She's
Speaker 1: she's a woman enough to a big enough person to
Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that Richard shows up and then Emily
Speaker 1: is going to show up and she's truly grateful for
Speaker 1: that and knows that she's no, she's no longer playing
Speaker 1: that Hey what about me? Card? You know, why aren't
Speaker 1: you there for me? So it seems like she's moved
Speaker 1: on from it, and it's and it's nice to see.
Speaker 1: And I always love how Richard has a check because
Speaker 1: my grandpa did that every single Okay, So then you
Speaker 1: were going to tell us about the camera work during
Speaker 1: the Paris meltdown, crying the crying scene. There's a very
Speaker 1: difficult scenes and those were obviously real tears and uh
Speaker 1: stunningly deep performance from from Liza Um really heartbreaking and
Speaker 1: really dead on and true. And and here's another thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to say it again, I think there
Speaker 1: were a lot of reasons, uh to nominate uh lead actors,
Speaker 1: guest actors, UH series regulars and and and recurring players,
Speaker 1: and that everybody got overlooked. And this is here's another
Speaker 1: here's another performance that got overlooked, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And maybe they thought there wasn't there wasn't enough of
Speaker 1: that kind of behavior from the Paris character. It was
Speaker 1: like too much of this. But I mean, you cannot
Speaker 1: deny the skill level of these actors. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just as good as it gets. So anyway, So I
Speaker 1: want to discuss how they how I think Jamie babbittt
Speaker 1: decided to shoot that. Yes, Paris crying scenes, Yes, yes
Speaker 1: we got some sidetracked. One thing that is so so
Speaker 1: incredibly difficult is to break down to that degree in
Speaker 1: front of a camera. That's hard to do. You need
Speaker 1: to have a skill set that's finally honed, um and
Speaker 1: an instrument that's finally tuned yourself right. So, so to
Speaker 1: do that on a in front of a camera several
Speaker 1: different times from several different camera angles is daunting. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you gotta do it in the master shot.
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna, you know, take twenty minutes and set
Speaker 1: up this camera over here, so we catch your left
Speaker 1: profile and then the right profile. We're gonna set up another.
Speaker 1: And So when I think Jamie Babbitt did, I think she.
Speaker 1: I definitely think she did. Is she shot Um, she
Speaker 1: did dual cameras over so she shot two cameras at
Speaker 1: the same time. It's hard to do it if it's
Speaker 1: cameras facing each other because then you see the other cameras, right, So,
Speaker 1: so it had to be angled in a certain way.
Speaker 1: So that, and it's always because I was in this
Speaker 1: situation yesterday on the show where I said, listen, this
Speaker 1: is a big scene and it's a highly emotional scene,
Speaker 1: and the DP had already taken care of he'd already read,
Speaker 1: he'd already anticipated that. You know, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: make Scott do this time. I'm gonna he's gonna do
Speaker 1: it once or twice, and we're going to cover it.
Speaker 1: And so he designed a shot, a camera sequence, and
Speaker 1: a camera positioning that allowed me to do that. Thank you, Eric. Yea,
Speaker 1: it makes sense. That makes sense because that she could
Speaker 1: never I mean, I'm sure someone could, but I just
Speaker 1: feel like the reason that scene was so amazing is
Speaker 1: you're right, we probably got we probably watching the first time.
Speaker 1: Second time she did it right. And I will say, like,
Speaker 1: I think if a girl forget the c span part,
Speaker 1: but a girl sleeps with her boyfriend and then doesn't
Speaker 1: get an to the college of her dreams, that is
Speaker 1: exactly what would happen crying on a stairwells stairwell with
Speaker 1: your best friend. It just felt like yep, and you're
Speaker 1: all confused and you don't know what the hell life
Speaker 1: has no meaning? What am I doing. And I think
Speaker 1: her thinking she didn't get into Harvard because she's loved
Speaker 1: with him is really what a teenager would think. She
Speaker 1: definitely didn't get the credit for how good she was
Speaker 1: throughout the series, but in this episode, this episode was
Speaker 1: It was stunning. This episode was stunning. I cried. I cried,
Speaker 1: my favorite so far because it was the perfect perfect
Speaker 1: balance of um, emotional impact and humor. And that's what
Speaker 1: I want from it. I want to feel. I wanna
Speaker 1: you know, I don't necessarily want to tear up all
Speaker 1: over the place, but I want to feel for these characters,
Speaker 1: and I want to have some chuckles, you know. I
Speaker 1: want to be delighted and surprised and moved. And it
Speaker 1: does all those things. It's beautiful episode, Absolutely beautiful episode.
Speaker 1: Bravo to Amy Sherman Pellatino. Bravo Jamie. Jamie Babbott, who
Speaker 1: we had a nick We had a nickname for Jamie
Speaker 1: bapp she She's like we called her take animick take.
Speaker 1: She did a lot of takes sometimes, you know, she
Speaker 1: did she did thirty takes script e too. Don't forget
Speaker 1: she drift and take an take so so so. Jamie
Speaker 1: loved to do a lot of coverage, okay, And I
Speaker 1: think that's to her credit because I think the demands
Speaker 1: from the editors of that show, We're like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know the first episode you did, we didn't have enough.
Speaker 1: You didn't shoot enough coverage, and we didn't have enough
Speaker 1: stuff to to build a scene around. So just give
Speaker 1: us more than we need. And I think that was
Speaker 1: the the dictate coming from on high. Um. You know
Speaker 1: the Jess walk and talk before I pushed him into
Speaker 1: the lake? That was a Jamie babbittt episode. Did we
Speaker 1: We did thirty takes of that? Oh my god, we
Speaker 1: did thirty two. I said that walk and talk before
Speaker 1: I pushed it. We did one or two takes of that.
Speaker 1: I think Malo told us too, But you did the
Speaker 1: other parts. Wow, yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's a great episode.
Speaker 1: It's just a great it's great show. So my notes
Speaker 1: are telling me there's there wasn't a lot in this
Speaker 1: week that that sort of stood out. So the in
Speaker 1: the cold open, I asked myself what book Laurel I
Speaker 1: was reading at the top of this episode, and it's
Speaker 1: I'm with the Band to Tell All by Pamela de Bars. Remember,
Speaker 1: Rory referred to loyalize Pamela de Bars when z was
Speaker 1: hitting on her and Laurela out of water the book okay,
Speaker 1: number two, clown pillow in the scene when Rory and
Speaker 1: Paris are on the phone with Headmaster Charleston. So there
Speaker 1: you go. The best line, according to notes, is Roy's
Speaker 1: dragging Paris off the stage after speech. Pack your chastity belt,
Speaker 1: go more, you're going to Harvard. Yeah, and Jamie did
Speaker 1: such a great job. And it's like directing is like
Speaker 1: it's knowing where to put the camera, and I think
Speaker 1: she put the camera in every best position in every
Speaker 1: single part of every scene. So I really saw her
Speaker 1: talent run amuck in this episode. Um So when you
Speaker 1: get that combined with the great script and the great acting,
Speaker 1: it's like, hello, perfect, perfect, perfect way to spend forty
Speaker 1: minutes on net and not for nothing, female director. I
Speaker 1: like it. Oh she was. She was great. She's super
Speaker 1: smart and super soulful and she's just a wonderful talent.
Speaker 1: So bravo for the whole thing. Anyway, I guess that's it, right,
Speaker 1: Let's right. What's next week? Yeah? God, what's next week? God?
Speaker 1: I don't even know what is it? Next episode is
Speaker 1: the Tales A Tale of Pose and a Tale of
Speaker 1: Pose and Fire, Season three, episode at seven. Oh, I
Speaker 1: know what I know this episode. I know this episode
Speaker 1: Tale of Pose as in Edgar, Allan, Poe and Fire.
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, we'll see you next week. Thanks every
Speaker 1: Thanks Tara, Thank you Amy. On my interrupting as I
Speaker 1: interrupt you, I'll work on interrupting instin I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: stop doing it. I'm working on who's telling you just
Speaker 1: stopped taking it, everybody? But also, really, the best Instagram
Speaker 1: ever somebody wrote, because you know I read all the comments. Somebody,
Speaker 1: for the love of God, Amy, stop interrupting or something
Speaker 1: like that. I'll get so excited. I apologize because I
Speaker 1: am so much and I want to hear. I want
Speaker 1: to converse. I love I love the back and forth.
Speaker 1: We don't have to stop interrupting. Why Okay, alright, fine, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I'll take the I'll take the heat on the I'll
Speaker 1: take the heat because now I'm saying I want the interrupting.
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Speaker 1: but what about things? What about this? Al Right? We
Speaker 1: don't want to forget. We want to make our points,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll try and take a breath. Yeah. Thanks everybody,
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