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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Phillies Show with Rubin Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: Junior Jim Salisbury. I am Todds A lucky It is Thursday,

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Speaker 1: May second, twenty twenty four. The Phillies just won two

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Speaker 1: out of three against the Angels and Anaheim. They completed

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Speaker 1: a seven and three road trip. They are twenty one

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Speaker 1: and eleven overall. It is their best start through thirty

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Speaker 1: two games since the twenty eleven season, when they won

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Speaker 1: a franchise record one hundred and two games. The Phillies

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Speaker 1: have the third best record in baseball. They're only a

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Speaker 1: half game behind the Braves. A lot of good things

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Speaker 1: are happening. When I think back to this seven and

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Speaker 1: three road trip, I think about the Nick Castianos game

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Speaker 1: time home run on Tuesday night, not because it was

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Speaker 1: such a clutch home run, but because of what he

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Speaker 1: did seconds after he hit it, less than seconds after

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Speaker 1: he hit it. Immediately after he hit it, he dropped

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Speaker 1: his bat and he used his right index finger and

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Speaker 1: ball was going to go. I thought that was a

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Speaker 1: really fun moment. Moments like that are why Reuben, Jim

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Speaker 1: and I like to do this podcast, and we had

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Speaker 1: a ton of fun earlier this week talking with former

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Speaker 1: Phillies left fielder Pat Burrell. Pat is now a hitting

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Speaker 1: coach with the San Francisco Giants. The Giants are coming

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Speaker 1: to town. They're going to play a four game series

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Speaker 1: against the Phillies beginning Friday night, and Pat shared a

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Speaker 1: lot of great Philly stories. He shared a lot of

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Speaker 1: insight in his job as a hitting coach and getting

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Speaker 1: through to young hitters, struggling hitters on occasion, and most important,

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Speaker 1: Pat also shared his journey to sobriety. Pat has been

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Speaker 1: sober for five years. He talked about the events that

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Speaker 1: led up to it, and he talked about how much

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Speaker 1: his life has improved since then. Here's the Phillies Show

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Speaker 1: conversation with Pat Burrow.

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Speaker 2: Pat, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So much for joining the Phillies Show. It's good to

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Speaker 1: see you man. How is everything going in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: It's been the hitting coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been great. First, it's great to be on

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Speaker 3: here with you guys. It's good to catch up. It's

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Speaker 3: been a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The hitting coach stuff is a lot, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: really changed a lot in the.

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Speaker 2: Last fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: We're a lot more involved and you know pretty much

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Speaker 3: everything that goes along with hitting. The fact is there's

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Speaker 3: three of us, actually myself justin Veieley and I share

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Speaker 3: the hitting coach role, and then we have a third guy,

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Speaker 3: Pedro Guerrero, who you guys had in Philadelphia. So I mean,

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Speaker 3: between the three of us, I'd like to believe we

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Speaker 2: What.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question, because you know, you

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Speaker 1: had a long career, a very successful career. A lot

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Speaker 1: of guys at this point of their lives they could

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Speaker 1: could travel, you know, maybe be a club ambassador, maybe

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Speaker 1: This is something you do not need to do, but

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Speaker 1: you're doing it. And so my question is why why

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Speaker 2: Well, it didn't start out this way. I mean, it

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Speaker 3: I had the goal to become a hitting coach in

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Speaker 3: the major leagues. What happened was I wanted to stay

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Speaker 2: Twenty five minutes from my house, and I was you know,

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Speaker 2: I had scouted for about five years, just getting off.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately we got to spring training and.

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Speaker 3: we had some conversations, and you know, it just kind

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Speaker 2: Of course. I had a talk with my wife about.

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Speaker 2: I knew some of the guys just just from being local.

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Speaker 3: But I think the biggest part of it was that

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Speaker 1: You know, you had a good Matt Breeden from The

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Speaker 1: Inquiry wrote a story recently and speaking of that you

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Speaker 1: you preach to these young hitters, like, hey man, I've

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's this argument, you know, the

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Speaker 3: To hear that, you know, everybody goes through this, everybody suffers,

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Speaker 3: Just those kinds of conversations I think really helps out

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Speaker 2: Keep working.

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Speaker 4: Bet it's great to see you.

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Speaker 5: It seems like yesterday I was watching you sprint around

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Speaker 5: the bases in Houston hitting that ball up the hill

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Speaker 5: for your first time, first major league hit?

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Speaker 2: You remember, would it would have been a homer?

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Speaker 6: Now you're right, So it just it seems like yesterday,

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Speaker 6: and You've had an amazing baseball journey, an amazing personal journey.

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Speaker 5: I'm wondering, like, as a coach, are you all about

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Speaker 5: talking about expectations? Do these guys know you were a

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Speaker 5: remember of nineteen ninety eight. You talk about the expectation

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Speaker 2: It's a great question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'd like to think I'm less about

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Speaker 2: So, you know, hitting if.

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Speaker 3: You talk to these guys, and you talk to anybody

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Speaker 2: Hours upon hours upon hours.

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Speaker 3: Swinging the bat in the cages, and you know, you

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Speaker 3: more about how we think and how we prepare than

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Speaker 3: They're all there for a reason. They've got there because

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Speaker 5: I remember talking to you once you're on a really

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Speaker 1: It was it happened, It happened, You had plenty of

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Speaker 4: It's just confidence.

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Speaker 2: It is how much do.

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Speaker 4: You preach that, teach that and how important is that

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Speaker 3: You know, that's a great question, and it's kind of

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Speaker 3: in this age old battle between what comes first, confidence.

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Speaker 2: Or success, I think with baseball all it's the hard

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Speaker 3: Continue to work the right way and work hard and

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Speaker 2: We have to earn it every year.

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Speaker 3: And it may look a little different, you know, the

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Speaker 2: Now I can go play. And it takes guys longer

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Speaker 3: Some guys find it really early in spring training and

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Speaker 3: those guys have just very steady years. Although that's that

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Speaker 3: doesn't seem to be the case very often anymore. But

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Speaker 3: you know, I really do believe that the success you

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Speaker 7: I'm sort of along these lay of those lines. And

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Speaker 3: Almost every day there's something that comes up that I

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Speaker 4: Patrick.

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Speaker 5: When I listened to you, I saw an interview with you.

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Speaker 4: And what struck me is how content you looked.

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Speaker 5: I'm listening to you now and looking at you. You look happy,

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Speaker 5: You know you've been open about your personal journey to sobriety.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, uh, thanks first of all, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: You know, the truth is, I was getting scared that,

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Speaker 3: It was time for me to it's your point, to

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Speaker 3: It's allowed me to kind of revisit this baseball thing

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Speaker 3: It's a lot, Don't get me wrong, It's a lot,

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Speaker 3: And I remember when things I remember Voop coming back

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Speaker 3: But now, and you know, looking back at the last

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Speaker 3: five years and player development, you know, you look around,

448
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: you don't see those guys anymore. You don't see uh,

449
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 3: you know, sixty year old seasoned people that have spent

450
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Speaker 3: their whole life doing this and you can learn so

451
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: much from these people, and for whatever reason, you know,

452
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 3: the game has changed in that way. I wish there

453
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Speaker 3: was more guys around to be mentors to these young kids,

454
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Speaker 3: because the guys that we had with the Phillies, Roub

455
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Speaker 3: and you can you know exactly who I'm talking about,

456
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Speaker 3: they helped shape who I am today.

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Speaker 2: And I'm very grateful for that. And I kind of

458
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Speaker 2: look at.

459
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Speaker 3: Baseball as you know, if you have been through some

460
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Speaker 3: of the things that I've gone through and been lucky

461
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Speaker 3: enough to come up with a Phillies and play for

462
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Speaker 3: an ownership group that was willing to do whatever it

463
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Speaker 3: took to win. To pass those things along to the

464
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Speaker 3: next generation is very important, and that's kind of how

465
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Speaker 3: I look at my job.

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Speaker 5: It's almost like like you talk about instructors and minor

467
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Speaker 5: leagues and all those names you mentioned, great names. Sometimes

468
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Speaker 5: I get the feeling that in baseball player development in

469
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Speaker 5: big league level, prior baseball experience is frowned on. Everybody

470
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Speaker 5: kind of wants to put their own new spin on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jim, I don't understand it. I mean I see

472
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Speaker 2: it just the same way as you do, don't. I

473
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Speaker 2: don't know how that all happened.

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Speaker 3: If it wasn't for the people that came before me,

475
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't know anything about this game. So it would

476
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Speaker 3: only make sense to me that you would keep people around.

477
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Speaker 3: I know the money is a big part of it.

478
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Speaker 3: I know that, especially the generation I was in, guys

479
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: started making a whole lot of money, and the thought

480
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: of getting on a bus in the minor leagues for

481
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 3: thirty thousand dollars a year is probably not very appealing.

482
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Speaker 3: So I'm sure that's a huge part of it. But

483
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Speaker 3: for the experience of the players that are getting drafted

484
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 3: every year, it's so important to have people around that

485
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Speaker 3: have been there and done it before.

486
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Speaker 2: And so.

487
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Speaker 3: I'm hoping guys continue to stay in the game and

488
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Speaker 3: more guys that are out there. I mean, I talked

489
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Speaker 3: to all my peer group all the time about come

490
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Speaker 3: to spring training. You know, you have a lot to

491
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Speaker 3: offer and you don't have to worry about being outdated.

492
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Speaker 2: This game is the same game that you played, Pat.

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Speaker 7: I was always thought that, so this if I had

494
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Speaker 7: an opportunity and I understand the game, there's a lot

495
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Speaker 7: of stuff that's happened that changed in the game. But

496
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Speaker 7: I always felt like, especially in player development, it being

497
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Speaker 7: had people mentoring the mentors or mentoring the coaches. Sure,

498
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 7: just a veteran people like that, I think that that

499
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Speaker 7: would be a really, really helpful thing. You know that

500
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Speaker 7: you could teach the next group of people and give

501
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Speaker 7: them your experiences. You know, whoever that person was you're

502
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Speaker 7: talking about somewhere between the ages of fifty five and seventy, like, hey,

503
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Speaker 7: this is what I went through to give them an

504
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Speaker 7: understanding that mentor may not understand anything about the analytics

505
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Speaker 7: of hitting, but they also were pitching or whatever the

506
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Speaker 7: case may be, but they do have the experience. How

507
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Speaker 7: do you think that that would go over with some

508
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Speaker 7: of the young coaching staffs and the managers.

509
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Speaker 2: It's a fantastic idea. And actually Ryan Christiansen's our bench coach,

510
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: and he came.

511
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Speaker 3: Up through the Oakland system right with Keith Lippman, who

512
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Speaker 3: was the field coordinator, field director, farm director there.

513
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Speaker 2: For I think over thirty years.

514
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Speaker 3: And what he would do is take all these new

515
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 3: coaches and he'd have them meet in spring training at

516
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Speaker 3: six a m. Prior to anybody getting there, and for

517
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 3: an hour they'd read these books on leadership and then

518
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: they'd discuss it in an open forum as as young coaches.

519
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: And I never knew that that existed. And Ryan told

520
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: me the other day about that, and I said, man,

521
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: that is just fantastic. That's a great idea. So you're

522
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Speaker 3: essentially coaching the coaches before they get to the players,

523
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's a phenomenal idea and I and I

524
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 3: think it would really help. You know, there's so many

525
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Speaker 3: young coaches that are out there now that I can

526
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Speaker 3: speak to, you know, in our system, you know young

527
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 3: managers that you know, they just want you to come

528
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 3: and sit in their office and chat.

529
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Speaker 2: With them about whatever.

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Speaker 3: The game, the the preparation and how how is this

531
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Speaker 3: for you and how did you go through this? And

532
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 3: so there there, there, there's a there's plenty of opportunity

533
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 3: for a roube and and I think you're on something there.

534
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Speaker 3: I think it'd be a great idea.

535
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Speaker 1: Pat when you when you're asked about maybe different players

536
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: that you played with, I'm curious, is there a spacific

537
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Speaker 1: Phillies teammate that maybe you bring up more than most

538
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Speaker 1: in terms of stories or you know, examples.

539
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of a guy like Chase.

540
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Speaker 1: You know, there's so many good stories you know about toughness, grind, attitude,

541
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Speaker 1: anything like that.

542
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: Well, you nailed it round ahead.

543
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Speaker 3: I mean, guys asked me all the time, what was

544
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Speaker 3: your You know, Chase and I were pretty close off

545
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: the field as well, but you know they always ask

546
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Speaker 3: who is your you know, best teammate, best player you

547
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: played with, all this stuff, and the question always comes

548
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: down to the It always comes back to Chase. And

549
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Speaker 3: it wasn't because of how good of a player he

550
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: was really because he was fantastic, but it was the

551
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Speaker 3: way he went about it and his preparation.

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Speaker 2: The toughness is.

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Speaker 3: It's so hard to put into words, but you know,

554
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: I tell stories about things that he did and and

555
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: during the games, and you know, I don't know if

556
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Speaker 3: you guys heard the seel Pweague story in Los Angeles

557
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: and how that went. I mean that that is perfect.

558
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: I mean it is absolutely perfect. That encapsulates the whole thing.

559
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: It's all about the team, all about winning, and it

560
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: just goes to show you you can you can literally

561
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 3: play this game and hustle every single play and not

562
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: be too tired.

563
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Speaker 5: You gotta share the story. You gotta share the story.

564
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Speaker 5: There's tony people out there want to hear it.

565
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Speaker 2: The peak stuff.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to tell you?

567
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Speaker 3: And I don't know if I should tell it because

568
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Speaker 3: I heard it the same way Todd that you did.

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Speaker 3: But essentially, Dodgers were up I think five runs in

570
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Speaker 3: the eighth and Puig was on second base and he

571
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Speaker 3: was dancing around on second base and he ended up

572
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Speaker 3: stealing third and.

573
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Speaker 2: The Dodgers had a huge lead and the game was

574
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Speaker 2: out of reach.

575
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Speaker 3: And the hitter actually fouled off the ball, so you know,

576
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Speaker 3: it didn't look too terrible.

577
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: So he had to go back to second.

578
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Speaker 3: But I remember the story being that Dave Roberts they

579
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Speaker 3: were playing Milwaukee, and so he looked over to Council

580
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: in the dugout and just basically gave him the sign

581
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, we didn't you know, we didn't send him.

582
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Speaker 3: He went on his own, and so Utley was on

583
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Speaker 3: deck and I don't know who was catching. So the

584
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: story is not that great. But when Utley got up

585
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: to the box, he said, look, I want you to

586
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Speaker 3: go out to the mound.

587
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Speaker 2: I want you to tell the pitcher to hit me

588
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Speaker 2: right in the back.

589
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Speaker 3: And the catcher is looking at him and going are

590
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Speaker 3: you you know you can't be serious. He goes, yes,

591
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: I want you to go out there and tell him

592
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Speaker 3: to hit me right in the back. It's the only

593
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: way that he'll learn what this is really about.

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Speaker 1: Well, at a quick attendum of that, oh yeah, yeah, but

595
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: Chase told the catchers, says, and if you don't, I'll

596
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Speaker 1: clean up my language.

597
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: He said.

598
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: He told the catchers, and if you don't have him

599
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: go out there and throw at me, you're a bunch

600
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: of Woosies.

601
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: So then the picture.

602
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: Then the pitcher then throws the next pitch does not

603
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: hit Chase. Chase looks down and looks at the catcher goes, whoosy.

604
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm telling you there was one that I don't know, Rube,

605
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: you might remember this.

606
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: We were in Atlanta.

607
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: And this was I think about the time where analytics

608
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: was starting to trickle in, and we had to have

609
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: this offensive meeting. Even though I think we were scoring

610
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: seven runs a game, but we we had difficulty getting

611
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: the guy in from third with lesson with one out

612
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: or less than two outs, and I remember thinking, well, yeah,

613
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: but we have one hundred more opportunities than everybody else,

614
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: so this doesn't you know anyway, So we get this spiel,

615
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: and you know, the message was, let's take some focus

616
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: and if we get a guy on third but listen

617
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: to out, let's let's get him in. So of course,

618
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: that night, Hu chases up with the guy on third.

619
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Speaker 3: It was probably Jimmy or Victorino, and I was on

620
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Speaker 3: deck and so I'm thinking to myself, God, we just

621
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: had this talk. Of all people, this is the right

622
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: guy to have up. And so Infield comes in and

623
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Speaker 3: he tops this ball. To first base, and I think

624
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: it was Adam la Roache was playing first and he

625
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: comes home and the way Utlely he came around the ball,

626
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: so he was actually out in fair territory.

627
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Speaker 4: I remember this, I do remember. This is awesome.

628
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: And so l Roach fields the ball and he's gonna

629
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: throw home and Utlely jumps up in the air.

630
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Speaker 8: To to get hit by the but to get hit

631
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Speaker 8: by the ball that the run would score and the

632
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 8: airmails would catcher. Everybody's safe and Brian mc Brian mccannon's

633
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 8: up next to me on deck and we're walking back

634
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 8: to home plate, and.

635
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Speaker 2: He says, did that really happen? I go, I think

636
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: it did. I think I think it actually did.

637
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: And I I don't even know if it's legal, but

638
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's gonna call anything. It happened so

639
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: fast and no one's really sure. But he did definitely

640
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: jump up in the air.

641
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Speaker 7: He tried to head but I think he tried to

642
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 7: head but the ball or something.

643
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: He tried to get hit by the ball that the

644
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: run score.

645
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: It turns out that the wrung scored.

646
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Speaker 3: And I can't tell you what I did in my bat,

647
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: but I remember just talking to McCann the whole time.

648
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: Going that's it's just unbelievable. It's unbelievable.

649
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 5: But there's so many questions I'd love to ask you

650
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 5: down memory lane type of questions. But every time I

651
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 5: see Stairs his home run in Dodger Stadium that night,

652
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 5: I see you, like on the top step and you're

653
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 5: going nuts.

654
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 4: And I've heard a description about.

655
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Speaker 5: Your your description of the moment, which I don't know

656
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 5: is suitable for all years, but it was pretty awesome.

657
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: But Charlie's there.

658
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 5: And what was You still see that moment in that

659
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 5: home run or you a big double in O eight

660
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 5: and in the World Series?

661
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 4: You still see those moments?

662
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: And I see him all the time.

663
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: I talk about the double a lot with our guys because.

664
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Speaker 2: There was a lot of failure that led up to that.

665
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: But the Stairs staying, you know via bat, I mean,

666
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 3: it's it's Broxton, right, and you know it's it's high

667
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 3: nineties fastball and it's a a stating slider. So Stairs

668
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Speaker 3: is you know, he's gonna swing a mess and he's

669
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 3: and he's gonna try to do one thing, and he

670
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 3: practiced doing one thing all the time, and to me,

671
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 3: it was a situation where if he got into the

672
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Speaker 3: right count and he got the pitch, then it was

673
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Speaker 3: whether or not he could do it.

674
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Speaker 2: And the build up to it, you know, was it

675
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: one to oh? Was it oh?

676
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 7: One?

677
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: And then it got to three to one, and it

678
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 3: was a situation where it was Mono Imano and he

679
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: threw the pitch and it happened just like we had

680
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: hoped it would happen.

681
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: And those moments are rare that you build them up

682
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 2: and they actually happened.

683
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Speaker 3: And and I think that's why we saw the excitement

684
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 3: from the dugout, because you.

685
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: Know, that's what he was there to do.

686
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: Uh, and he actually came through and did it. And

687
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: so it's a moment that I can't forget. But uh,

688
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: the double you're talking about. You know, I had struggled

689
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: so badly in that series again, put a lot of

690
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: pressure on myself to do something different than I had

691
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: probably done all year, wanting to be a pivotal piece

692
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: of that World Series and probably coming out of my

693
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 3: game plan a little bit.

694
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: But I remember the after he threw the second or

695
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: third curveball in the row, I go, look, you've done this.

696
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: Your whole life just hit stop the noise, you know,

697
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: and and just see it.

698
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 3: Just just see it and remember all the hours and

699
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: all the stuff that the preparation that you've put in

700
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: and and then to go in there and believe it

701
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: right is the big thing. And so uh, trust me,

702
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: I wish it would have gone over the fence, but

703
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: it had have been a better story. But the fact

704
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: that that run ended up being the winning run is

705
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 3: you know, it's just a fantastic memory. And you know,

706
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: coming off the field knowing that you know, that might

707
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: be my last time out there with the Phillies was

708
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: also you.

709
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: Know, kind of a big moment for me as well.

710
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 3: And then you know, Brad Ledge coming in and doing

711
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: what he did, what he did is just it was

712
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: a remarkable year. It was magical. It was supposed to happen.

713
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 3: It was the right time. You know, the organization had

714
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: built from within this this this group of guys that

715
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: really cared about each other and really cared about winning, and.

716
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Speaker 2: You know, it all came, it all came full circle

717
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: that night.

718
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 5: What did it mean to you to be you know,

719
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 5: to lead the parade, sit on that fire engine and

720
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 5: then I don't I want to get this and cheated I'm.

721
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: Sorry I got cheated.

722
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 3: Those guys in the back were all drinking beers and

723
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: having a blast.

724
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: I did think about that.

725
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm out there by myself. You know, I wanted

726
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: to be with the boys. But you know, what are

727
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: you going to say? You know, of course it's a

728
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 3: huge honor, and I'll never forget it, don't get me wrong.

729
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: But I kept looking back and everyone shot gun and beers.

730
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 3: I mean, then are throwing bottles of whiskey up on

731
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: the thing, and I'm thinking, God, that's and I'm so

732
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 3: nervous about these horses because the people kept coming close

733
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, man, And then one guy actually did

734
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: get get kicked by a horse when he got too close.

735
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: And I mean, it was a it was a it

736
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: was a great day. It was a long day.

737
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: I think I had the best view of everybody there,

738
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: you know, coming around, I guess I guess market when

739
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: we turned onto Broad Street that I was the first

740
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: guy to get a look at that.

741
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: And that was that was.

742
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 3: When Mike Schmidt and all those guys would come back

743
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 3: and talk about the parade. I don't think any of

744
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: us really ever thought about the parade being the best

745
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 3: part of the deal, but it certainly was for me.

746
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 3: And it was that moment when I came around broad

747
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: Street that.

748
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: That the sea of Red or whatever we want to

749
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 2: call it. It was just just overwhelming it. It really

750
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: did bring it all home for me.

751
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 4: Did you know Chase was going to do what he

752
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 4: did during the speech?

753
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because.

754
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: We got up on that stage and there was a

755
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: couple of announcements and stuff and other people were speaking,

756
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: and he leaned over and he said, do you think

757
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 3: this is live?

758
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: And I go, well, uh, I'm sure it's live at

759
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: some level. I'm sure someone's recording this. And I said why.

760
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: He goes, well, I was thinking about saying something that

761
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 3: maybe I go, well, listen, if anybody can say anything,

762
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: it's us to.

763
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: Just go for it. I mean, and I didn't know

764
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: what he was going to say, but I thought it

765
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: was perfect. You know, probably it was perfect. It was perfect.

766
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: It was perfect, awesome, awesome stuff. Matte, Thanks so much.

767
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 5: Matt always seemed to me, you guys were so happy

768
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 5: for Charlie.

769
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you played You played for Boach He's got

770
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 4: what four rings? Now?

771
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 5: You played for Charlie's got a ring, Madden's got a ring?

772
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 5: You played for some really decorated managers.

773
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Speaker 2: And all different, all different.

774
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 5: Give us a little bit on what made them different,

775
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 5: What you liked about him, what you love about Charlie.

776
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: Well, Charlie, I mean, how do you not love I mean,

777
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: you know, you got it. It's all for me. The

778
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: experience of coming up with Francona.

779
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: Who everybody just loved, The players loved him, you know,

780
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: and playing that first, you know, four months of the

781
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: season with Terry, and then everybody got fired pretty for

782
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: the most part, right, and it started over with the

783
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: Larry Boa era, which I don't know that any of

784
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: us were ready for that, but I will tell you,

785
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: I think I learned the most about baseball from Larry.

786
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 3: I think about preparation, about attitude, about a sense of

787
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: urgency about playing.

788
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: I I I I think.

789
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: About Larry and the stuff he taught uh more than

790
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: more than anybody.

791
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: And you know you talk about wanting to win more

792
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,959
Speaker 2: than anybody. I mean, good God.

793
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 3: And then you know, once our our our draft guys

794
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: kept coming, and then there were some additions and the

795
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: and Cole Hamil's came along, you know, and and Charlie

796
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: was now in the picture.

797
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: Uh, it was just easy.

798
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: You know, we we got to the ballpark, it felt

799
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: like somehow he was able to lessen the pressure of

800
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: the moment, which in that town is is quite.

801
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: A feat, you know.

802
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: And then obviously playing for Charlie for a couple of

803
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: years and then going to Joe, who was just completely

804
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: in the other direction with the the analytics and you know,

805
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: the super utility roles came around, and you know, ah,

806
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: we're not going to hit on day games. I mean,

807
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: all the routine stuff that I was used to was

808
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: completely out the window. But Joe's a fantastic guy and

809
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: really really smart about baseball. Unfortunately, I just didn't play

810
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: very good down there and got released. And then I

811
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: get to BOCI and it was just we really thought

812
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: very similarly about the game, and uh formed a great

813
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: relationship there, and you.

814
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: Know, I know he had been a long time coming

815
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: for him.

816
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: You know, he'd been around twelve or thirteen years in

817
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: San Diego and then had spent you know, considerable time

818
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: in San Francisco, and so, uh, it was a magical

819
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 3: time in San Francisco as well.

820
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 7: That's great stuff, great stuff, all right, boys, thanks so

821
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 7: much for the time.

822
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: Thank you.

823
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: That that was awesome. Thanks again to Pat Burrell for

824
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: spending some time with us. If you are new to

825
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826
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827
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828
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:16,600
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Speaker 1: Phillies Giants four game series beginning Friday night at Citizens

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