1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Campsite Media. 2 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: It's nineteen eighty four and Paul Fisher is in an 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: elevator at the Wellington Hotel in New York City going 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: up to his room. He's just a guy from the 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: other side of the country, a twenty something from Ella's 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: San Fernando Valley, rocking a Juvro. He doesn't have much 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: going for him, honestly, he's fueled almost entirely by his 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: own absurd self confidence. 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: But Paul's done pretty. 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: Well in just a little time in New York. He 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 2: might look like a nobody, but he's heading up a 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 2: modeling agency for. 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: High fashion runway models. 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: This guy with a bad haircut now walking down this 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: semi decent hotel hallway is representing some of the most 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: beautiful women on the planet and making a buck. But 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: today is not a good day for Paul. A few 18 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: hours before he came back to the Wellington Hotel, Paul 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: decided to make a phone call, one that he'd been dreading. 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: It was to the backer of his modeling agency, the 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: guy putting up the money. This guy's name is Larry Lynd, 22 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: and Paul says he's quite on savory. 23 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 3: I've seen Larry and his boys hurt people badly, badly, badly, 24 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: put him in the hospital. And there was always a pattern. 25 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: First he'd smile, they would think that it's cool, he's okay, 26 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 3: and then he would send the boys in and they 27 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: would just fucking knock the kids out. 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 4: I watched the shit. That's part of it. 29 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: Paul doesn't want to be at Larry's modeling agency anymore. 30 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: They've been friends, brawlers at each other's side, both not 31 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: developing the best reputations, and now Paul wants to go 32 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: off on his own, to go legit, to conquer the 33 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: modeling industry on his terms without Larry. So earlier this 34 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: day he made that call. 35 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: I told Larry, I said, hey, man, I love you, 36 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: and I care about you, and you're my brother, and 37 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: I love you, but and I appreciate you so much 38 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 3: for turning me onto this world. But I gotta do 39 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: this myself. You gotta let me go. You gotta let 40 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 3: me do my thing. 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 4: Brother. I'm good at this shit. You gotta let me 42 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 4: do it. And I'm begging you. You gotta let me out, 43 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 4: you gotta you gotta you. 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: Say you care about me. You got let me. Let 45 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 3: me do this. And he said okay, Fish, you got it. 46 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: You got it, man. You go do your own thing. 47 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: Pack your shit, go do your own thing, start your 48 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: own thing. I'll have somebody else come in and run 49 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: this shit. Go do it, man. It's okay. I feel you. 50 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: I care for you now. I don't know problem. I 51 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: got off the phone. I pissed my pants. I knew 52 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: it he was coming after me. 53 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: It's a tense moment for Paul. 54 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: And after he hung up, he went to blow off 55 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: some steam at one of New York's hottest night clubs, 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: a CNB scene and fucking b fucked place called Area Bianca. 57 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: Jagger could be on the dance floor. Andy Warhol standing 58 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: by in a booth. It's a place a guy like 59 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: Paul Fisher would love to spend his last night on Earth. 60 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 2: But he had to go back to his hotel sometime. 61 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: And then I came home to my hotel room that night. 62 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: It's a Wellington hotel and five of Larry's that I knew. 63 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: Real well goons came out of the closets and they 64 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: put me down on the ground, and they took down 65 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: my pants, and they took a gun and they shoved 66 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: it in my fucking ass. I was scared out of 67 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: my fucking minds. And then the final door opened and 68 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: it was Larry. 69 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 2: Larry's a big guy, a former football player. Paul knows 70 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: he was an idiot to think he could get out 71 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: of business with him so easy. Paul's future, if he 72 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: has one, is working for and finding women for Larry 73 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: lent from iHeart Podcasts and Campside Media. I'm Vanessa Grigoriatis 74 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: and this is Model Wars. This is Paul Fisher's story, 75 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: but it's also the untold story of what the modeling 76 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: industry is really like, the ugly business of beauty. It's 77 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: full of competition, backstabbing, abuse and violence. It's the background 78 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: clashes behind famous models strutting on runways, posing in magazines 79 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: and catalogs, being in movies and television, getting displayed on 80 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: the racks in the checkout aisle of the supermarket, so 81 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: that even some poor sucker who just wants to buy 82 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: a box of cheerios in nineteen eighty two knows exactly 83 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: what true beauty is supposed to look like. As a 84 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: journalist for Vanity Fair, who knows her way around a nightclub, 85 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,239 Speaker 2: I've been around the modeling industry for a long time. 86 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: I've met the huge models that Paul would eventually sign, 87 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: Stephanie Seymour, Naomi Campbell, Carrie Young. Even as big as 88 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: they were, they still needed someone like Paul Fisher to 89 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: get them on the cover of Vogue or land them 90 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: a Chanel ad. You had to have an agent like 91 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 2: Paul and be in the right place at the right 92 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: time to reach the mountaintop. Today you could say that 93 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: search for perfection in the female form has migrated to Instagram, 94 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: everyone firing up their iPhones and launching themselves into the 95 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: void that is the Internet. But that classic hunt to 96 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: define beauty and profit from your version of it is 97 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: the same. It makes sense the Paul Fisher would go 98 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: on to become a powerful model agent. Models set the 99 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: mark for what we're aspiring to as a culture. They 100 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 2: reflecting back are aspirations and desires, and Paul has always 101 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: just been so attuned to what the culture wants. He's 102 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: such a product of his era and its values. He 103 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: grew up in fertile ground for a model agent, the 104 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles. 105 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: This was in the nineteen seventies and. 106 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: The valley was a vapid superficial consumerist paradise. It's hot 107 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: on the asphalt and there's lots of strip malls now. 108 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: Frank Sabba put out his song Valley Girl as an 109 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: anti consumerist anthem in nineteen eighty two, but no one 110 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: got the message. 111 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: The song became a chart topping hit, and. 112 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: It spread the insane wingo of the valley far and wide. 113 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: God Fast Times at Ridgemont High came out that same 114 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: year and solidified the valley's reputation for casual sex and 115 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: good times at all costs. 116 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: Head Paul grew up in a modest home of the valley, 117 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, at. 118 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: The time of valley girls and valley boys and all. 119 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: You know, that's where I think I got my mullet. 120 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: The Jewish kid with a curly mullet. Thank God, every 121 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: fashion comes back around again, so this haircut won't be 122 00:07:59,040 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: lost to history. 123 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 3: We didn't grow up with money, that's for sure. We 124 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: had no cash. There were you know, my mom and dad, 125 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: they were always struggling for. 126 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: Money, mullet and all. 127 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: Paul was a true classic American high school archetype, the 128 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: star baseball player dating the prettiest girl in school. 129 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: Her name was Sue. 130 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: We won class couple in junior high school and high school. 131 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: She was my girlfriend for like five years, and she 132 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: was in junior high school. She was definitely the prettiest 133 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: girl in high school. Everybody wanted to meet Sue. She 134 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 3: was really beautiful. 135 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 2: As will learn, Paul is persistent when it comes to women, 136 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: and he snuck into Sue's house enough and was likable 137 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: enough with the family that they just eventually let him 138 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: stay over. But if all this is sounding wholesome, don't worry. 139 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: Excuse my language, you guys. I hate saying this word 140 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: in front of you. I was banging every girl on 141 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: the planet. 142 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: Paul was not faithful to his class couple running me, 143 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: and this gets an early paradox of Paul's life with women. 144 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: He was the devoted, protective older brother to two younger sisters. 145 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: I would treat my sisters different that I would treat 146 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: other girls. And you know, I was a pig in 147 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: high school. The whole in high school. I didn't care. 148 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 3: I didn't care about anything except, you know, my own 149 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: selfish desires. 150 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: And Paul turned out this way despite having a saint 151 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: of a mother. 152 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 5: My name is Monica Fisher. I'm eight or seventy seven 153 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 5: years old. Eighty seven. Oh, I forgot, I forgot how 154 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 5: old I was. It's wishful thinking. 155 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: Frankly, Monica knew that Paul was going to be a 156 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: challenge from the beginning. 157 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 5: Where my older son was very quiet and reserved and 158 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 5: like to read and was just very easy, Paul was 159 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 5: all over the place. He climbed, he didn't stop moving 160 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 5: and chattering. 161 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: Paul had his own sense of justice, especially when his 162 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: mother and father, a wholesale liquor distributor with a temper, 163 00:09:59,040 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: were fighting. 164 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 5: I didn't know how to get out of my marriage. 165 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 5: I was scared to death and scared of him. 166 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: Probably, Paul was always getting disciplined at school, but his 167 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: mom tried to let it slide because he was getting 168 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: good grades. This trade off is familiar to anyone in 169 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: the modeling industry. You present yourself a certain way as intelligent, beautiful, whatever, 170 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 2: and as long as you perform that ideal version of 171 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: yourself for the camera, you can get up to all 172 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: sorts of antics behind the scenes. It's working well for Paul, 173 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: these good grades in exchange for permission to act out. 174 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: But then one day Monica gets called by one of 175 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: Paul's teachers for the one millionth time, and. 176 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 5: He says to me his grades were not good, and 177 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 5: he would come in and entertain the kids, you know, 178 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 5: and interrupt the class and etc. 179 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 6: Etc. And I said, well, I don't know why his 180 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 6: grades sound good. His grade. 181 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 5: I get his report cards and he's on the honors list. 182 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 5: And the teacher looked at me and said, no, it's 183 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 5: not only on his list. Let me show you his 184 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 5: brave missus Fisher, I don't know what you're looking at, 185 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 5: the teacher said to me. And I went in and 186 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 5: it turns out he had gotten blank report forms and 187 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 5: he had fortued him. And I had no idea. He said, 188 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 5: your son, Paul, he's like a green apple. He's tart. 189 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 5: He just makes me chase him all over the place. 190 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 5: The green apple is a pain in the ass. 191 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: Paul may have been tart, and he may have been 192 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: a pig, but he was also a good guy. Just 193 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: ask his mother. 194 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 6: He had the best heart going. 195 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 5: He had such a good heart, and he just was 196 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 5: very very mischievous, very mischievous. 197 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: And if his dad didn't find that irresistible, he'd find 198 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: someone who did so. 199 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: Because my house was kind of volatile, and my dad 200 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: was kind of volatile. I would go down in the 201 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: summertimes in my life in twelfth grade year and my 202 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: best friend his dad was in the hair business. The 203 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: hair business is the horniest business in the freaking world. 204 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 3: They're freaking fucking perverts. They're pervs. They're working on your hair, 205 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: they're pervs. The hair business is full of pervs. He 206 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 3: introduced me to the hair world, and they were just 207 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 3: these older women, and he was banging everybody. And it 208 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: was like I watched him and people like him became 209 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 3: like my freaking role model, bringing home different women all 210 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 3: the time. He would just just would teach us, you know, 211 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: we'd be smoking pot with them all the time, getting 212 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 3: stole with them all the time, and he'd be just like, 213 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: you know, he just was a player. 214 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: Paul learned quickly that getting women wasn't a competition. Teamwork 215 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: was encouraged, so he and his friend from high school 216 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 2: got creative. 217 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 3: He was like the star football player. I was a 218 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: star baseball player, and I remember just we would go 219 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: home to my house and bring girls home, cheerleaders home 220 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: all the time. Sometimes we'd make leup to the same girl. 221 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: I remember my dad walked him one day he thought 222 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: I was gay. 223 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 2: Paul and his friend son of the hairdresser, were having 224 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: a threesome with a girl. 225 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 4: And he's like, what the heck are you doing? And 226 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: we're like, hey, get out of here. 227 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: Paul's father just never understood him. 228 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 4: We're not doing each other, We're just with her. 229 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: Getting girls was always Paul's one true talent and his 230 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 2: overall reason for being. This trend persisted when he enrolled 231 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 2: in college at UC Santa Barbara. 232 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 3: I knew that was the school I wanted to go to. 233 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 3: Why you see Santa Barbara freaking girls? 234 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: David Triton was one of Paul's college pals. 235 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 7: I think when I met him, he had a book 236 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 7: with like hundreds of names of quote conquests. I don't 237 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 7: want to say how you put it. And I was 238 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,359 Speaker 7: shocked when I saw when I saw. 239 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: That some colleges have honors dorms. Paul was in the 240 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: honors dorm for fucking. 241 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 7: There was an off campus dorm called Francisco Torres that 242 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 7: was like a. 243 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 8: Really cool place. There was a pool. I know he 244 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 8: lived there. 245 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 7: I couldn't get into that, so I was in another 246 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 7: off campus dorm, but that tower was referred to as 247 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 7: Sodom Goemora Tower by everybody. 248 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: Despite the distractions, Paul does well in college. He makes 249 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: it all the way to the final semester of his 250 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: senior year. 251 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: I've got twelve units left. I have a three point 252 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: nine to six grade point average. I'm going to go 253 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: to law school become a freaking lawyer. 254 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: And then one day Paul has David and a few 255 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: other friends over to watch a movie. 256 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: And we're watching this guy, Richard Gear in American Jigelow. 257 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: And he's like, he's cool. He's like all the girls 258 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: like him. He's just he's just a cool cat. He's 259 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: like this. He's like he's a player, and people are 260 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: paying him for sex. And me and my boys look 261 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 3: at each other and then we go, we could do that. 262 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 4: We could do that. Let's check it out. Let's go, 263 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 4: let's do that. 264 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: Paul knows he's finally found his calling. 265 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: After watching Richard Gear do his thing in American Jiglow, Paul, David, 266 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: and the rest of the boys decide to drive from 267 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: Santa Barbara down the coast all the way to La. 268 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 7: We had a cool yellow Volkswag it with flared wheels. 269 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 8: It was like very cool for what it was. 270 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: They apparently missed the part of American Jigglow that's a 271 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: disturbing meditation on the cost of desire for them. It's 272 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: damn near a manifesto, or at least it's a roadmap. 273 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 8: I think it was. 274 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 7: Probably something, you know, that's just absolutely consistent with where 275 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 7: his head was, when he was when that movie came out, 276 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 7: and where we were at that time. 277 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 6: Often in these big hotels you run into women from 278 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,479 Speaker 6: the foreign countries who may need a translator or guide. 279 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: How much would you charge me. 280 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: There's this iconic scene in the movie where the Richard 281 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: Gear character meets a beautiful older woman who's played by 282 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: model turned actress Lauren Hutton. It's set in the lounge 283 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: of the Beverly Hills Hotel. 284 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: The famous freaking poll the lounge, which is the same 285 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: place that Richard Gear was in the movies. And we're 286 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: looking at each other and we're like, we're like, this 287 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: is it. 288 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 8: Man. 289 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: Paul and the boys make ge to the entrance and 290 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: they walk through rows of pink banquette booths that have 291 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: laced lampshades. There's warm, seductive light shining on the tables. 292 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: It's just class. It's full on class and elegance. And 293 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm just a kid from I'm living in 294 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 3: Santa Barbara, driving my bike, wearing shorts every day and 295 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: cut off T shirt every day, and I'm looking around 296 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: going I'm digging this. This is money. Look at this shit. 297 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: I grew up, Remember I grew up. My mom's making 298 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 3: hamburger helper every other night. This is money. They're all 299 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: looking like money, like they all got money. They all 300 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: they got tans, they got you know, boufonp freaking Hairdwes, 301 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: they got you know, shirts that are open with gold 302 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 3: in there. We've freaking we've died and gone to heaven. 303 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 3: There's money, and there's older women, and people are all 304 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 3: flirting with each other, you know. 305 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: And right there in the polo lounge, Paul has a revelation. 306 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: I felt like I belong there, like like I was made. 307 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: For this shit. 308 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: And now it's time for Paul to get to work. 309 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: His strategy is rather simple, rather work today, really, but 310 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: it's highly effective. You have to knock on one hundred 311 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 2: doors to just get a couple sales. 312 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: I'm going up to every single one because I know 313 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 3: you're not got enough of them, three or four of them, 314 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 3: we're gonna say, you're a really interesting young man, and 315 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 3: let's go to my hotel room. Because you know, maybe 316 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: the first four or five where you're going to hear nose, 317 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: but sooner or later you're going to hear somebody go yeah. 318 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 4: I'm in it's a numbers game. That's the that's the game. 319 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: So he's talking to a lot of women. The night's 320 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: going well, were having a. 321 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 3: Great time, and then I see these people staring at me. 322 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 3: I see this table and they're pointing at me and 323 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 3: they're staring at me. 324 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: And it's dudes, not the people Paul is here for. 325 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: But they just keep looking at him. 326 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 4: They got gold on him. 327 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 3: A couple of the guys were really big, big, big 328 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: beefy dudes. 329 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: Like former football player beefy. 330 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 4: And then one of the. 331 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: Beef dudes walks up to me and he says, hey, 332 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: my boss wants to meet you. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, thanks, 333 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: Well I'm straight he no, no, no, no, just come on, just 334 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 3: come meet my boss. And I'm like, yeah, that's not 335 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 3: going to happen, man, I'm straight not into it. 336 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no. 337 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: But the beefy emissary was persistent. 338 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: He came up to Paul two or three times asking 339 00:18:58,480 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: him to come meet his boss. 340 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 3: The guy that kept coming up to me, you could 341 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 3: see he's like a bodyguard. He's like a veto looking guy, 342 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 3: like a big, huge freaking animal, which is you know, 343 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: gold chain, just a beefcake dude, big freaking dude. And 344 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 3: I just you know, I'm just not into it. 345 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: By then, Paul's ready to call it a night. Not 346 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: bad for his first night in the big leagues. The 347 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: next day, Paul says he gets back in his yellow Volkswagen. 348 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: He's alone this time. He's supposed to go meet one 349 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: of the women he met the previous night, about a. 350 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: Mile away from the Beverly Hills Hotel on Sunset Boulevard, 351 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: which is like, there's nothing there. The freaking VW breaks down, so. 352 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: Paul says he huffs it to the Polo Lounge to 353 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: use the payphone. He's crashed out of the glamorous life. 354 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: He got a taste up last night. He's just some 355 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: schlub using a payphone looking for some help with his 356 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: busted car. 357 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 4: I'm pissed off. I'm in no mood. 358 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 3: Who walks up to me, the big freaking bouncer, the 359 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 3: Veto dude. He's like, Hey, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, 360 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 3: I'm on the phone Triple A. 361 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 8: What what? 362 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 3: What? 363 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 4: What? What? 364 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: And he waits, so I'm off the phone. He's very cordial, 365 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 3: he's polite, and he goes, hey, listen, my boss wants 366 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: to talk to you. 367 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: But it's what the boss wants to talk to Paul 368 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: about that catches his attention. 369 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 3: He watched you last night, how you were with all 370 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: these girls and these women, and you just like you, 371 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 3: like you just would walk up to everybody and anybody, 372 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 3: and he just wants to meet you. Can you meet 373 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: the guy? Just just spend five minutes to meet the guy. 374 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: And I'm in a pissed off mood. Now I'm waiting 375 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 3: for Triple A. So I said, okay, okay, okay, okay, 376 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 3: who is he? Show me what what? So I walk 377 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 3: up to the Guy's name's Larry. 378 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: Lynde in American Jigglow. In the scene where Richard Gear 379 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: meets Lauren Hutton at the Polo Lounge, he takes a 380 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: seat at her table and they're framed with that almost smoldering, 381 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: low warm light from the lamp. They're like moths to 382 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: the flame. 383 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 6: Mister k like another drink. 384 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: It's that moment when you meet someone and your life 385 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: is forever changed. And although Paul is very into women, 386 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: exclusively into women, meeting Larry Lynd is kind of a 387 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: moment of seduction for Paul because despite being a beefy, 388 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: freaking animal with male sexual organs, it turned out that 389 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: Larry did have something Paul wanted very badly. 390 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: Now, Larry Lynn looks like an older version of Elvis Presley, 391 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 3: really cool hair. You know, you could see he's put together. 392 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 3: You see he's rich. You could see, you know, the 393 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 3: gold big gold watch. He's got a couple of bodyguards 394 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 3: on each side. And we just start talking and he 395 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 3: just just listened. Come out with me tonight. We'll go 396 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 3: to a couple of clubs. You know, I'll get you eat. 397 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: You like pat, I'll get your potty. You're like blow, 398 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 3: I'll get you blow. We'll go out tonight. You'll come 399 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 3: out with me and my bodyguards. We'll go out to 400 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: a club I heard about this place called whoah Lah. 401 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 3: You'll walk in, you'll sit with me. We'll have a 402 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 3: couple of drinks, you'll well, we'll talk to the girls. 403 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 3: Just come out with me one night. 404 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: The previous night, Paul had gone and played Make Believe 405 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: in the Polo Lounge. He went on vacation in someone 406 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: else's life. But this is Larry's life. He can do 407 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 2: this whenever he wants. He holds the key, and he's 408 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 2: inviting Paul along. 409 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 4: Change my life. 410 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 3: I never went back, so I went out with him 411 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: that night, had a great time, brought girls back to 412 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 3: the Beverly Hills Bungalows. I was doing blow with him, 413 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 3: getting high and ben. 414 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: Somehow things get even better. 415 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 3: A few hours later, he said, I just bought a 416 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 3: brand new Ferrari three oah gts, it's downstairs. I'm going 417 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 3: to give you five hundred bucks and a plane ticket home. 418 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: Do me a favor. 419 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: Drive my Ferrari to Houston, Texas for me. 420 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: Shockingly, Paul says yes. 421 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: On the long drive from Beverly Hills to Houston, it 422 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 2: may have occurred to Paul that he's now one of 423 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: those people who can point to the exact moment he 424 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: broke his mother's heart. This joy ride to Texas, conflicted 425 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 2: with Paul's prior obligation, his last semester of college. 426 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 6: I didn't even go to college. 427 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 5: I wanted so badly, but girls at that time, no, no, 428 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 5: You learn how to type. 429 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 6: Go to night school and learn how to type. 430 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 5: So if your husband when you get married, if you 431 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 5: have if he ever needs help, you can always be 432 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 5: a secretary. That's why I made sure that all my 433 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 5: children were going to go to college. 434 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 6: No matter what I did. 435 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,479 Speaker 5: And Paul was actually the only one that I was 436 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 5: so disappointed. He was afraid to tell me. He drove 437 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 5: up in this rent I forget what, a Ferrari or 438 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 5: a little red sports car with a friend of his, 439 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 5: and I knew the semester had just started, and he says, Mom, 440 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 5: I'm packing bag, but what are you talking about. 441 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 6: You're in school. 442 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: But somehow school couldn't compete with Larry Lynd. Paul recruited 443 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 2: his pal David to join him. 444 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 7: And I came out of lax and there is Paul 445 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 7: Fisher sitting in this brand new Target to Burgundy, red. 446 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 8: Doesn't even have license plates on it. 447 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 7: Three toa GTS Ferrari and I get in the car 448 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 7: and he shows me he's got five hundred bucks, He's 449 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 7: got a bag of roll joints, and off we go. 450 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: I was picking up on girls in Santa Barbara on 451 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 3: a forty. 452 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 4: Dollars bike and an Afro with a mullet. 453 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 3: Now imagine that same guy with a Ferrari at five 454 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: hundred bucks, Like, you kidding me, I'm not going to 455 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 3: take advantage of that. 456 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: Lock up your daughters. First stop camp Arizona. 457 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 8: We went to this bar and to get some food 458 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 8: and shirt. 459 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 7: Up he lands this girl who's like a Siamese twin 460 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 7: who just got disengaged from her sister, and she was showing. 461 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 8: Us a scar. It was like, I mean a beautiful girl. 462 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 7: Like I'm like, oh, no way, And sure enough you 463 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 7: know he you know, he spends time with her that night. 464 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 3: Now I got all the tools I need to go 465 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 3: to any bar, any restaurant and do any I mean what, 466 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: So we stopped everywhere we stopped. We're getting laid. 467 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 7: If there's a woman that is so beautiful that most 468 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 7: guys kind of they stare at her, they dribble around, 469 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 7: they don't know what they're doing, right, And his whole 470 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 7: thing was like, instead of looking at her like every 471 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 7: guy would, he would look at her and dismissively put 472 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 7: his head down and then he would stare right back 473 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 7: at her again like with this. And I used to 474 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 7: call this the beam because I've seen her work a 475 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 7: thousand times. 476 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 8: You know, like, no, I'm not just did he just 477 00:25:59,119 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 8: like do that? 478 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 7: And sure, this woman who was surrounded by her boyfriend 479 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 7: and all kinds of dudes at a bar, you know, 480 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 7: like ends up he takes. 481 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 8: Her out of the bar. In the Ferrari, it was 482 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 8: the gravel road. 483 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 4: Who were going into bars, pulling girls out of the bars. 484 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: We had boys chasing a freaking cowboys chasing us down 485 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 3: the freaking road because we're pulling their chicks out of 486 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 3: the place, and we're driving away in our Ferrari. It 487 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: was the craziest road trip you could ever possibly imagine. 488 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 3: And then we drove into Houston, Texas and got there. 489 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 8: It was giant. It felt huge. 490 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 7: There was freeways, it was flat, it was hot. It 491 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 7: was unimpressive from like a social cultural perspective. It was Texas. 492 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 7: It was trucks, it was guys. It was oyster bars 493 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 7: and cold beer and buckets, and it was pretty pretty women. 494 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 7: We have friggin tight dresses and you know, giant booths 495 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 7: sticking out. 496 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: As it turned out, This was the peak Houston's oil boom. 497 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: It's been up and down ever since, but at the 498 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: time the party was in full swing. They arrived at 499 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: Larry's penthouse. 500 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 7: We get there at the Hook Condo and it's a 501 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 7: freaking beautiful penthouse, top floor, massive. There's a butler, Travis. 502 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 7: There's a maid and service lady. 503 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 8: Named Mary, sweetest could be. They welcomed to. 504 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: Paul and David go out with some girls that night, 505 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: and the next day Larry arrives. 506 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: He says, like, this is Paul Fisher. He's like the 507 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 3: greatest with girls and David's buddy. But you got to 508 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 3: watch Fish. He's going to go out tonight watching with girls. 509 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: You never seen anything like it in your life. He'll 510 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 3: walk up to anybody, everybody, He'll create parties for us. 511 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 4: And I'm like what. He goes, yeah, Yeah, here's what 512 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 4: I want you to do. 513 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: Larry gives Paul his marching orders. 514 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 3: You're going to get to Limo. You're going to go 515 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 3: to this place called Bocaccio's. You're gonna go there and 516 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 3: we're going to create a party. Bring back ten girls 517 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 3: back here. I'll get ounces of blow lots of alcohol. 518 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 3: I'm a bartender. We'll have a big party here tonight 519 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 3: because you guys are here in town. 520 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 4: I could do that. 521 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: So Larry Chauffeur drives them over to Boccaccio's, the highest 522 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 2: of the high end clubs of the Houston Oil Boom. 523 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: It's a disco themed mansion with sculptural glass tabletops and 524 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: these long, inviting plush booths. 525 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: They just make you want us snuggle. 526 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 2: Up with dozens of close fronts. 527 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 3: We're in Houston, Texas. It's nineteen eighty one. They never 528 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 3: seen anything like me in their lives before. These are 529 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: freaking cowboys. I got a napro mullet, my shirt pulled 530 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 3: into my jacket, my collar up, and I got two bodyguards, 531 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 3: one on the left, one on the right. I pull 532 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 3: up in a freaking limo. I walk up to the 533 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: the red rope and I'm said, I'm here. Let me 534 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 3: open the freaking door. I want that table over there, 535 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 3: bring me a couple of bottles, and you know that's 536 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 3: what I want. It was like like I had done 537 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 3: it a thousand times. 538 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: Paul delivers Larry exactly what he at four. 539 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: I took ten beautiful, beautiful girls that you know I 540 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 3: don't get mad at you guys this with me back then, 541 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: I don't know if they could count to ten. They 542 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: weren't the bright, sharpest tools in the shed. They were 543 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 3: like Houston Kicks, the for the nineteen eighty. These are 544 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 3: not These are like not like girls from New York City. 545 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: And Larry soon introduces Paul to his business partner, who's 546 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: a man named Michael Fitzmorris. Larry's the party guy and 547 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: Michael's the business guy. And Michael has an explanation, or 548 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: rather a rumor of an explanation for Larry's gold chain 549 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: veto mystique. 550 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 4: I'm just going to put it like this. 551 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 9: There's a rumor that his family was mob connected, as 552 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 9: a rumor that his great uncle was trying to Costello, 553 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 9: who's the person that they wrote The Godfather about. He's 554 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 9: the one that control all the judges and stuff. 555 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 4: That's a rumor. I'm not going to verify. 556 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: That's a rumor. 557 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 2: So that's the org source of all this party money. 558 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 9: Then all of a sudden, there were women coming in 559 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 9: the office, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten a day, 560 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 9: and then and then at the party apartment across the 561 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 9: street that was filling up every Thursday, Friday and Saturday 562 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 9: night two hundred and fifty to five hundred people to 563 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 9: a thousand people. I mean, it was just unbelievable. And 564 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 9: then Paul brought a couple of his friends and then 565 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 9: what they were doing. They were either in la for 566 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 9: a couple of weeks a month, or they were in 567 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 9: Houston for a couple of weeks a month. And Larry 568 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 9: was bouncing back and forth because he had to deal 569 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 9: with me because I was screaming and yelling saying this 570 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 9: is nuts. 571 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 7: It was awesome. I mean we thought it was great. 572 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 7: It was like, you know, their party was on all 573 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 7: the time. You know, you wanted to bring a girl 574 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 7: a dozen roses at a bar that you were trying 575 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 7: to Like Larry Lynn thought he saw this girly. Really 576 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 7: really we had a pounding club. Everything's going on. He's 577 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 7: like one to send her some flowers. He would order 578 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 7: out and a person would come with a wheelbarrow was 579 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 7: full of roses and bring the whole wheelbarrow to her. 580 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 8: It wasn't like you give a dozen flowers to the girl. 581 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 7: I mean it was that excessive that there was NonStop 582 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 7: whatever you. 583 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 3: Want, we just start partying every night. That's what he does, 584 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: he sends me out, go bring me back ten, bring 585 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 3: back ten. 586 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 4: Let's have a party. Let's have a party. And that's 587 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 4: what we did for two months. 588 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: You know, the saying, do what you love and have 589 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: lots of rumored mob money and you'll never work a 590 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: day in your life. 591 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 9: Larry Lynde had the most amazing eye for women of 592 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 9: any one of them at my life. 593 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 4: And then Paul showed up. 594 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 9: And Paul and Larry were like, you know, all they 595 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 9: would do is spend the day criticizing the look of 596 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 9: this one, to criticize the look of that one. If 597 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 9: this one's eyes were you know, a perfect tea and 598 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 9: straight and the forehead and you know they're going through 599 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 9: the whole thing, then you know this this girl would 600 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 9: be prettier. And the Paul was going on meeting girls 601 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 9: in Houston and bringing them in and you know, but 602 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 9: Larry was enjoying that. 603 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: This goes on for a few months. 604 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 3: I'm having the greatest time of my life. I'm twenty 605 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 3: years old, I'm I'm a freaking I'm doing drugs, I'm 606 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 3: smoking pot. I'm just making love to every beautiful texting girl. 607 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 3: It's like, this is the greatest moment of my life, 608 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 3: and I thought everything was mine. 609 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 4: Well I've been looking. 610 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: Back, not none of it was mine. I mean, it 611 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 3: was none of it. It was a freaking illusion. And 612 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 3: then one morning Larry wakes up with blow all over 613 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 3: his freaking nose and he walks into the room and 614 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 3: he says, hey, listen, I want you to go to 615 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 3: New York City and open up a modeling agency for 616 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 3: me and Michael. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know 617 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 3: how to spell the word vogue. 618 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 4: But yeah. 619 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: Maybe Paul could have tuned into the signals that this 620 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: wasn't really his life and that going deeper into Larry's 621 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 2: world would only put him further in debt. And maybe 622 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: if Paul had finished that last semester of college, he 623 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: would have learned the story of Icarus. 624 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Greek who. 625 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: Went higher and higher, past the high school threesome, past 626 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: the Ferrari road trip, past the Conjoins twin hookup, flying 627 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 2: ever higher over a mountain of cocaine, ignoring the warning 628 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: signs of jingling gold chains, of guys with bodyguards. Maybe 629 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: he would have learned that Icris eventually had a terrible fall. 630 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: But how could he turn this down. 631 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 3: My job was trying to figure out what other people 632 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 3: would think is beautiful. 633 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 8: In the modeling business. 634 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 2: You can be with any name brand, fancy agency you 635 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: want to be with. 636 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 8: What does your agent love you. 637 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 6: Till this day? 638 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: Honestly, if I see a measuring tape, I fucking freak out. 639 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 8: I cringe, like I can't take because it just brought 640 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 8: me so much stress. 641 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 7: Everybody was concentrating on the stars, quote unquote stars, But 642 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 7: you have all these models that they need to work 643 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 7: every day, they need to pay their bills. 644 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 9: Book, book, book, book, Come on, let's book, let's nightdeals, 645 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 9: and let's get models in. Let's get go gos. 646 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 3: It's a freaking war zone. These people are animals. There's 647 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 3: no integrity, there's no loyalty, there's none of that. 648 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 4: That's all bullshit. 649 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 3: That's gow. 650 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: That's next on Model Wars. 651 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 10: Model Wars was a production of iHeart Podcasts and Campside Media. 652 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 10: Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 653 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 10: get your podcasts. Model Wars was executive produced and hosted 654 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 10: by Vanessa Grigoriotis. 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