WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Dallas Austin Part 2 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.080 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:11.840 Hey everybody, it's like yah. 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:14.680 So we're back with part two of our Quest Love 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.720 Supreme in Atlanta with Dallas Austin. Now, if you missed 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.600 part one, that's when Dallas spoke about growing up around 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:25.239 some amazing musicians. He talked about his earliest credits and 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.280 making those big ass hits with Boys to Men and 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:27.920 t LC. 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:29.800 Make sure you check that out. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:41.800 In the meantime, get ready for this amazing part to enjoy. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:49.480 Yo. All right, look illegal, just stay on. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.800 Because do you remember the Snoop story and the source 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:57.640 oh with when Jamal. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.000 What was that? Because they had me to the beefing against. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:07.920 The everybody dude When I first so left eye, she 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:09.720 she bought me these kids one day to the studio 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:11.840 and she was getting ready to go on the road. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.720 So I got this group. You gotta sign in the rowdy. 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:19.520 They're dope. There's like a little red mantle. And when 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.480 they came to the studio, they were finishing each other's sentences. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.200 They were like them dudes was like dope. They was 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.480 like yo, no, no, they're throwing dice with each other. Like 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:28.039 these little dudes is bad. As ship. She's like, well, 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.160 keeping with you, I gotta go into her striking, right, 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.200 So they stayed in the studio with me at dark 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:35.840 We have rooms in there, right, So the kids of 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.240 everybody's loving these kids, like Eric Simon, Buster rhymes, everybody 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.720 that's in my studio work diamond d. Everybody's working with 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.520 me already. So the kids come in and they out 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.760 wrapping everybody. They are rapping and cussing and rapping and cussing, 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:49.600 and you know, hit a gud way you wanted hit 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.720 a good pop pop. So nobody's ever seeing kids curse, 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:57.480 like I forget when they started twelve eleven. So then 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.560 I took them to Arista so Cloud because and they 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.560 jump up on the them conference room table, check off 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:09.720 everybody's coffee cups like I'm like, okay, just ruined this 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.640 ship like we did after class was like amazing, amazing start. 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.080 I'm like cool, we started to work on this record, right, 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.880 And so Lisa goes out of town the two of them. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.000 About three or four days later, Malik comes up to 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:24.920 me and say, yo, man, you got the blunt? I said, 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.520 what you twelve I'm smoking? What is the blunt? By 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.639 the way, And I'm not smoking up with you. I 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.680 don't even know it was. Everybody's still smoking papers. He 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.760 dumped done out. He said, okay, he futed, got his 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.280 pocket on his own and his own wie dumped it 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:37.920 out and start rolling in front of me, and I'm like, 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.280 what's going on? Man, I gotta talk to you d 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.040 he said. He said, this is Malik. He said that 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.440 motherfucker Jamal. I don't know him. What wait what I said, 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.520 hold on, hold on, hold on. We sid the head. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.800 We had just shot the head of that video, and 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.519 then they want to go solo because he's like, man, 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:55.280 he said, let me tell you something. I don't know 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.520 this motherfucker. I've made him the same day with left eye. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.200 We've been together like that. I said what he said? Yeah, 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:02.880 he said, I don't trust that motherfucker. Have to sleep 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.000 with one. I open. He's twelve, by the way. So 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:06.600 what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get my solo. D. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:07.919 I'm gonna get my this So I'm not hold on, 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.960 hold on. We just spent y'all gotta do head of gut. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:11.520 We just did the video. We did it. Gets busy, 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.360 y'all gotta follow this out you can't go solo right now, right, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.440 So check this out. The first promo tour started in 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.720 La a right, there's five hundred thousand dollars promo to it. 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.800 They got because Clive Davis is going crazy about them. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:24.200 Right. 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:28.880 So they get to LA and they decide that they're 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:30.120 gonna stay with Dre and Snoop. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.520 Right, Oh no, no, no, let them influence. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:35.440 Oh parents are on the way, their parants are. They're 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.280 the PICGMIC one day and they don't got with Dre 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.320 and Snoop and they death Row and they turned that 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.480 they did. Right. So now Arista's calling me, like, yo, man, 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.000 the kids they won't leave LA. They're threatening the BMG 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.000 reps and everything else. But hit them with the hammers 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.240 in their head and you know they got little guns 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.200 and all this shit. So I'm like so I'm like, 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.920 all right. So Clive calls Dallas, this is crazy. You 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.400 have to go get the kids. To go get the 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:04.400 kids from where from death Row? You gotta go meet 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:04.840 with Sugar. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.480 That sentence don't sound right. 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.240 Rock these little dudes. I'm not going through that, Dallas. 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:12.480 We have too much money on the table. You have 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.720 to go get the kids. You get them, so me, 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.960 yeah right, so me my man, k wells we go 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:21.480 out to death row. Pull get up in the elevator. Man, 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.279 get off the elevator. It's just big dudes everywhere. Ain't 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.119 no posters, ain't no plaques, ain't no record from stress. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:28.680 It's just like. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:32.120 Woods, paneling walls. Right. So walk into another room. It's 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.400 a fold out table, fold out chair. That's when we 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.280 sugar desk, get a red carpet. That's a death row, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.040 like a red round thing. Right. But that's it knows 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.280 nothing else, right, So we walk in there saying that's 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.920 so she'll come in. Man, what's up? D Man? You 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.080 know so good man. You know artists ain't loyal man, 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.200 you know how artists get. Man, I'm like, here we go. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.880 So he's like, the boys got out here with Dre 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:54.400 and snoop Man, and you know they just they just 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:55.880 want to be on death row now, you know, they 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:57.520 just want to do I said, I'll tell you what, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:04:59.920 just give me back when we spent, you can have them. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.640 He said, no, No, I was thinking we could do them together. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.120 You know, rowdy death bro. What I was like, Man, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.480 I'm cool on it, Like you can just just fly 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.480 back with this spend, you can have them. I said, 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.480 I'm just trying to get out of here, right. So 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:13.880 he goes, well, man, what the kids want to see 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.400 you real quick? Man? They want to say hey. You know, 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:16.800 so they come out of it. They come out of 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.920 the wall that looked like they. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.919 Came out of the wall. The wall like the Wizard of. 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.560 The Panel wall open up. And these little dudes, now 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.400 they're about thirteen fourteen. They still can't drive right, all right, 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.400 thirteen fourteen. So they're like highs. I don't know what 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.880 hey man, Dallas and me and him man, me and 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.479 shoot niggas ain't me and they are high on sherm 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.040 or whatever it is. So I was like, I'm cool, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.039 we can work this out later. I'm just let me 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.640 get out of here, right. So I get back to Atlanta. 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:49.040 Two days later, Malik shows up. Oh party of Oh yeah. 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:50.720 He's like, no, no, I can. I can't deal like that. 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.200 He says, let me tell you something, man, Jamar Grandma 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.600 put some roots on me. When you huh, you say, 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.920 what a legal story you're here? Jamal Grandma put some 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.200 roots on me, said what do you talk about? Man? 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.520 He's like, man, well, I'm just tell you like this man, 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.520 my ship swrolled up and I said, so that's because 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.560 you're out there with death Rod Charlie, messing with them 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:11.080 girls whatever. 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:12.000 God wrapping it up. 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:14.920 He how you talk to you? No, I'm a verge 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:15.080 of my. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:23.159 Nigga and that is our clip for the Dallas Austin episode. 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:25.000 The next question left free. 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.000 So talking about but check this out even worse. So 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.960 he said, So I went to the doctor. D took 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:32.920 me to the doctor, he said. So the doctor said 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:34.479 they didn't know what this was what happened to me. 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.680 So then he said and said, we got to take 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.640 you to this lady in the hood. Say take it 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.159 to the ladyhood. Ladyhood says, oh yeah, yeah. Somebody puts 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:42.320 some on you need to take a bath in this 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.279 milk and then this stuff he gave me, he said, 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.479 So I did that. They went down, I got my 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.000 ask on the plane and here I am here ready 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.520 to do my solo record. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:51.520 Solo record. 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:51.760 Okay. 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:57.960 Now the other part about this is meanwhile they got 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.320 a record out, gets busy, they got ahead of it out, 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.800 and Arista's just trying to do everything they can to 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:05.080 push the guys that they can't get hold to. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.360 It was the red tape I had to take. 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:09.800 We get all the way through the whole down. They 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:11.880 never went on no promo tour. That all got kicked 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:13.560 out of the window from them being crazy or whatever, 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.280 and they stayed out on death Road that long. Well, 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:20.320 we get to the Billboard awards that year. Right now, 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.119 Clive Davis is getting twenty something awards that he's getting 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.000 all the Whitney Houston's all. You know, he just racked. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.360 He's just doing this thing. You know, so rap category 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:35.160 come up cool like that planets hip hop parade. In 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:40.720 my nature, we gets busy ilegal people like, okay, then 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.360 the winner is illegal. We gets busy. 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:42.760 Stop it. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.200 You can see us looking at each other. Now, if 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:51.720 the kids did what they were supposed to do, it 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.600 it made sense, right because they would have went on 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.200 the promo tours. The people would have got you know, 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:56.960 they would have been blown up. But Clive got to 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.560 put his bids in early. It was almost embarrassing. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:02.160 You know. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.200 He wasn't as big as Digable Planets or Hipapa another. 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.520 Because Jamal ended up getting the solo deal. 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.320 Jamal both of them did so Malik ended up doing 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.120 his solo deal. We did that. Malik goes on. 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.120 Keep it real was the one though, and they were. 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.000 They were again on that track. They were right there 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.040 on stuff. I had to publishing company set up for 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:22.640 them as kids. 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:24.040 I'm afraid to ask. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.160 Yeah, please, I want you to ask, and I want 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:26.880 to know to go ahead. 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:28.320 Where are they now? 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:36.000 Oh my god, Sin's something sweet around. I see, we'll 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.000 see Jamal living now and then. But they have had 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.800 times with me before. This was like, man, we fucked up. Sorry, man, 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.319 we just like me. They were doing contu pistols and 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.200 like you know, driving cars in the people's houses, still 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.560 in the engineer's cars, sitting on pillows, driving the engineer 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:51.520 cars to North Carolina. 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.960 Like at least it just chilling. 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:59.960 She told me. They was. I feel like everybody, everybody 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:01.800 just use the kids instantly fall in love with him 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.440 because they gamble. They're like the coolest little dudes. 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.280 They just it's cute if you spent a little time 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:06.600 with them. 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.760 But not when you invested five hundred thousand dollars. No, man, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.560 two hundred dollars, that was that was cute. 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:11.920 Damn. 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.880 I hate to ask about y'all so stupid. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:15.920 You're also stupid was cool because they were like, you know, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.120 they're like a fartside. They were like skateboarding and drawing 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.559 and doing graffiti and doing art and you know, and 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.880 so H two still does the same thing, still doing 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.200 art and drawing. And how was was the King get 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:31.040 out of that was one. They were cool because they 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:32.959 were just out of New York and it was just 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.480 like your majesty was doing stuff, doing a lot of 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.400 production back then, and I think he was in Juice 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:38.240 or something back then too. 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:43.280 It's not I mean, we're going down there because I 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.800 want to ask you about and did Davenport but that's 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:46.280 way later. 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:47.840 Okay, I didn't know what we were doing. 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:49.800 But we did skip Highland and placed Monsters. 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:50.640 Oh yeah. 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:52.679 There's always a point where we asked, like if the 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.439 producers themselves get their own project out or whatever. 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.960 But I personally liked, let's get naked. 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.720 Holland place Monsters was crazy because the guy Chip who 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:04.839 was the lead singer. 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.320 Who I heard he actually would get naked, were. 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:11.040 Getting naked on stage and this is the time where 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.040 that was really cool. Like that right, So like the 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.079 first show we ever did, we did here in Atlanta, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.920 and so let's get naked and he's he's different. This guy, 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:20.400 he's very, very different. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:22.120 I don't remember him. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.360 They called the maniac in the group and he always 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:27.240 out on the straight jacket. 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.480 I would have said they were way crazier. Jodas like, yeah, 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.679 what I wanted Joasy to be for fast songs, that's 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.319 what Land like. 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:39.000 Besides get on up. Jodasy never had the fast. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.080 Song that like engaged me. So I saw him as 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.560 a balance right there out. But these guys, the bad 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.960 boy your daughter's. 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.719 Group was Highland placed mobsters and that ship should have 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:49.040 made it. 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.760 Chip was like, this is this is what kind of 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:53.719 this how the kind of the minds went down? So 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.640 we did this show with the b R Yeah. Yes, 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.959 And so I was telling him like, okay, on this 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.199 show at the BRI, you cannot take your overalls down 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.320 because he'll snap the overalls me and they just come 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.079 down and he's just but ass naked with his socks on. 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.559 You just told get it because he had did this 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:16.360 before at one show we did, and he when he 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.280 did it in Atlanta, I was fun. I had to be. 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:20.800 I'm chasing him around the stage like trying to hold 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.560 but he but I couldn't so in Atlanta, he had 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.440 jumped out on the rafters of the You know how 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:27.960 the light rafters be in front of the stage too, 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.360 so he's now here on the rafters and he just 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.920 naked My mom. Everybody's an audience kids, it's just you know. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.199 So it went. It went across well on the sky 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.360 pages back then, because everybody's talking about you've seen how 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.440 the place Master Show. You've seen how the place Master Show. 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.960 So there's like gifting. The courage was like, Okay, now 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.920 you guys got to perform at br I'm like wow, 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.559 I said, but that's Black Radio Exclusive. That's gonna be 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.400 like crazy, y. Yeah, you got to though, we need 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.360 to do it. So we go to do it, and 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.040 when we get there, so the hell of the world. Yeah. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.520 So we get there, the stage is like this, so 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.840 it's not high enough. So I'm telling him off the back, yo, 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.719 my man, okay, don't drink no old e to night, 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.559 and do not take your clothes off on the stage 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.520 like this a Black radio people. He said, Oh man, 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:08.920 I got it in and I worry about it. I 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.320 go to the damn room. Right. We're doing an interview 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:16.199 with Cynthia Horner at the time he doing an interview 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.839 with her. I look at him, he's licking, like what 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.719 is he doing? He got a eighty four ounce handcuffed 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.720 to his hand of old English, like a big apple 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.040 juice jug of old handcuff to his hand. Yes, because 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.400 they had a little ring and that's why he put 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.000 the handcuff in. And he had that handcuff to his hand. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.600 He's like, man, I got this ship, no way about 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.319 the I'm like, my god, we're about to go on 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.599 stage like this. So we go to the stage and 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:42.920 he got that damn thing handcuffed to his hand, right. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.679 So I finally get to get the old e off 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.360 of him. I say, man, you can't jump around this thing, 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.520 gonna take it off? Okak. He seems like cooking somebody, 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:56.880 like like ras real. Absolutely, So we make it through 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.920 one song and then we get to Let's Get Naked. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.360 So he's jumping around the stage on Let's get neckd 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.120 and I see him taking off his damn things. So 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:05.520 I got a key tar on by the way, so 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:10.040 I'm just like on the stage holding onto that damn thing, right. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:14.640 So he decides that because you know I'm holding on 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:19.480 him like that, that he's gonna stage dive. Oh he's 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.600 stage dive. Well, he still had the top, he still 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.920 had the bottom pot of the overalls on because I 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.640 was doing this when he staged. He stage dies and 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.360 he jumps out into the audience and lands on somebody. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.760 Stage is like this tall, So I told him don't 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:36.520 stage dive is not high enough. Right. Well, we get 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.760 to finish the performance and go upstairs. All of a sudden, 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:46.239 like La and Babyface come come running upstairs, Yo, sugnighting 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.199 him downstairs and there looking for the boys with the 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:54.000 blond hair. Why well, he has a group called Poor 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.199 Broke and Lonely, and he landed on the girl's neck 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.040 and she's at the hospital. So Sugar Night, doctor Dre 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.160 and everybody with them is ready to kill all y'all. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.800 We're like, oh ship, now, La and Babyface, we got 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.960 another knock at the door. Sugar came La, Babyface ran 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:12.960 the bathroom. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:15.920 Shut. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:22.160 What's going on? What's going on? Sugar got the door? Like, Yo, 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.080 open the door, try to get to the blond. Open 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:25.800 the door, try to get a blond due. So now Chip, 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.600 who's nobody to be? He's crazy too, he's out of 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.760 his mind. I met him bleard machine guns and he's 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.840 crazy karate all this. So first he turned into let's 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.560 go check it out man to see the girls. All right, No, 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:37.800 you don't want to go out there. They trying to 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.760 kill the blond due we're bringing the motherfuckers. Hey, you're there, 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.880 let's go. No, no, no, So we got to calm 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.560 this down. Well at this point, the police then came 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.360 up and took Dre and Sugar. You know, soy y'all 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:49.800 got to get out of hallways because it was being 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.960 on the doors and stuff. I wasn't waiting a lot 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.320 before them to come downstairs. Police came in. They said, look, 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.880 we got a problem. It's about two hundred people and 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.520 red and down downstairs wait waiting on y'all. So we're 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.880 gonna need y'all to leave, and we're gonna take y'all 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:05.480 down through the kitchen and put y'all on the bus 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.520 and y'all going to Atlanta. So they had you walk out. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.640 It's police lined up all down the hallways. Right, we 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.160 get on the bus, take off, get to Atlanta, I 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.160 mean take off to get out of there. And then 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:17.880 that was just ow if y'all remember this. But they 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.800 got into a riot and that bry that time in 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.640 the hotel room and they I mean in the hotel 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.560 lobby and they brought the horses in and they had 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.520 people that were hitting them with the sticks and stuff 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.640 to get them out of there's a big related yep. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.040 Yeah, okay, I remember Luke telling the story. Ye, so 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:34.320 that distracted them. 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.720 That was all. Yeah, all that was going on. So 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.160 after that the Hollow Place monsters. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.320 I heard that same story my man Eric, and he 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:49.000 was at that event. He told verbatim, word for words, 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:54.520 told me that same story. So dude, like, okay, so 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.480 this answers my question, Like we were beg to go 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.800 to these jack rappers, how can I be down events? 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.000 And the label would never let us go. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:08.560 And now get the sneaky suspicion that that was orchestrated 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:09.720 because they. 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:10.200 Were scared for you. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:10.560 It was. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.480 Yeah, she wasn't always like that, but look, this is Dallas. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.040 It started to get like you know, at this as 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.280 time went on, the music started to change, it started 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:19.680 to get a little more like that because you're gonna 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.720 have the gangster showing up and you know, they're not 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:23.480 showing nobody theirself. They're gonna bring the whole airplane. 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:28.000 Oh, speaking of gangsters, your relationship or dealing with Haitian 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:29.600 Jack O Jack. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:31.320 Jack. 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.280 Oh yeah, wait, how do you know he knows? He 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:39.920 talks about it on this in the document Time in Atlanta. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:40.800 I didn't watch that. 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:41.720 It was good. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:42.600 It's like it's thorough. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.080 I didn't know. But when I first met him, he 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:45.920 was down, you know, he was down in Atlanta. He 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.280 had his eight fifty and I think they were like 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.800 they were notorious. It wasn't really like dope boys. It's 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.640 like getting the dope boys or whatever. They was taking 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.960 the money. So it was in Atlanta, and man, it 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.440 got cool, Like everybody kind of liked me, you know, 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:00.080 because I don't. 0:16:59.920 --> 0:17:02.440 Know, are you crazy magnets? Like how do you not? 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.920 Like literally everyone that you work with has a level 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:12.840 of edge. Yeah, that his voice, men, I mean. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.199 Yeah, they just like, you know, they feel safe. For man, 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.159 the music business so cool and like, no, you know, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.040 they feel like they want to protect you. You know, 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.320 that's my man kind of thing. So, like I was 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.439 in New York with Jack for the first time. When 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.280 I when I met him in New York, and uh, 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.280 He's like, man, you don't want to take you to uh, 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.000 what was it? The supper club? Okay, So we go 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.680 there and we're standing outside in the line, and Jack's 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:41.159 trying to, you know, say that the guys, hey, you know, 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.520 I got my guest here, got Dallas and were getting 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.720 table till Vincent I'm here whatever, right, So the guy 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:50.240 ain't coming. This is why I really try to realize 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.399 who this was. The guy's not showing up. So Jack's like, Yo, 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.760 did you tell Vincent about here? He's like yeah, yeah, man. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.280 Jackie said, hold up, all right, I'll tell you what 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:00.960 you tell him. I'm coming back and I'm shutting this 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:05.760 motherfucker down. Everybody. Everybody in the line that was standing outside, 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:10.000 they just started to leave. Yeah, And I was like, okay, okay, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.200 then the dude can run up. Jack Jack Jack Jack John. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:14.520 I'm like, who then is this dude? 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:15.240 You know? 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.119 And then as I started working with Madonna people like that, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.560 then Jack Jack started to be around me and that, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.560 and you know, being I know that, wait what. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:28.040 Hasian Jack and Madonna? 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:32.359 Yeah, she's the words when it came from me first, 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:34.080 and then I was. 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.920 Afraid to ask yeah, because we're kind of friends. But 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.120 I feel like, you know, the edge of your Madonna. 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.240 Yeah, I got he was hanging out a little bit 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:46.560 first friendlier Madonna, Yeah, trying to Yeah, but then it 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.439 was after that rob Man and Jack and Tupac, all 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.800 that was in that same kind of little circle where 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:53.600 she was trying to have a little edge at the time, 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:54.720 she was trying to be in. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:56.760 The streets, and you gave her the first taste brown then. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.040 But then Jack out a whole too. I mean, this 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.440 is a funny story. So after I finished working on 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.200 the album, Madonna took the record and mixed it with 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.440 Nelly Hooper Nello. But I was supposed to go out 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:11.000 and mixing on that day. So it's like August twenty 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:12.639 if we mixing the record, come to La all right, 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.760 it's airy cool. And when I'm going there, She's like, well, 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.200 already mix it. I already mixed the album with Nelly 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:19.520 and it's coming out and here it is sent it 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:20.800 to me. So I was like, well, are you want 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:21.680 to take my stuff and mix it? 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:21.879 You know? 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:23.399 So I'm pissed off. I don't you want to talk 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.040 to you no more? You don't take my joints and honest. 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.080 So then I'm in New York and I'm riding with Jack. 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.159 He goes, that's fun. Yeah, yeah, and with Dallas. He's 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.879 right here. Hey, Madonnad want you to come by and 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.080 hear the album. Man, she said, she really wants you 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:37.520 to come by the house. Man, she really wants you 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:39.560 to come here. I said, I'm trying to go over there. 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.760 He said, I don't want to time out. She said, please, man, 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.399 just come by. I said, why am I talking to you? 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.480 To talk to the phone, right, So we getting up 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.600 going over the house to listen to the record. I 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:52.880 was like, uh, it was just weird because I want 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.200 to listen to it. So I said, well, you know 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:55.920 what you did? This mess up my mixes. You messed 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:57.359 up everybody mix it. So I feel all right. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:19:59.760 I was going to say, are you allowed to be honest? 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:02.760 Yeah? And I was pissed off. 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:04.560 And this is what record is? 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.560 This human nature, this is a secret, this is survival. 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.600 We did all these songs together and it just started 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.920 going south, you know. But at the end of the day, 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.320 you know, like we ended up making up because it 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.520 was just like firing. At one point, I wish I 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:18.840 still had the letter that she wrote me. 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.800 Yeah, I wanted to it's this miss Museum. 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.199 She wrote me a letter going off, I should understand 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.280 her struggle because it's the same as like a black 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:33.119 man and this that and the other boy wire you another. 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.200 So then after about but after a few years, it 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.440 was like, you know what, I don't have no bad 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.920 energy with nobody on the planet, and I don't want none. 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:42.719 And so one day I called her. She was doing 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:44.200 like a vida or something. I just called out of 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.080 blue and I was like, hey, She's like, Oh, what 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.160 did I do to deserve this call? Now I'm like, nope, 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:51.760 it's your record. You know what I'm saying. I learned 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:53.959 a lot from you. As long as it turned out 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:55.639 the way you wanted to be, I should be happy 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.200 with that because it up to you is your record. 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:02.359 I'm working for you on that. Squash this energy and 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:04.560 let's just be cool. And then from that point was good. 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:05.560 Do you think that was? 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:07.440 Like, was that the first time you learned that lesson 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:09.639 as a producer of just learning just to let things go? 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.239 Yeah? Well, the Boys the Man when they put out 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:13.920 the rough mixes, I had to let that one go 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:15.480 because I wouldn't even listen to it. I didn't listen 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:17.680 to that record. For years, I was selling millions of records, 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:19.040 and then just like my mom was working at this 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.800 as at barbecue too, so I was like in bad contracts. 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.600 So I really wanted my stuff to be like what 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:26.560 Teddy's will sound like, or with some of what you know, 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:28.240 the other records I would here sound like. And when 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.000 they put that out, I was just like, that's one. 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.320 So then working with her was another one. I had 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:35.879 a lot of humbling experiences because when you come from 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:38.400 being a creator and then you get to the label side, 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:40.280 you have to look at it both ways, you know. 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.200 So even Motown Philly was a rough mix. 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:43.760 Rough mix. 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.280 I mean you kind of acknowledge now like it's effective 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.040 in a banger, but the version in your mind was 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:50.840 way bigger. 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.520 Or yeah, it's like, you know, I had drums still 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.200 on four tracks instead of having them all. 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:00.080 Yeah okay, yeah, I feel you there. It's hard to 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.280 take about it yesterday. Was that always an a cappella 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.440 or did you initially have music behind it and stripped it? 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:07.280 It was always a capella. I just did put it 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.159 like a bass and the and the snaps to it 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:11.840 and kind of let the ooze and stuff be the music. 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:12.119 To it. 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:16.200 Okay, oh man, one of the producers used to spearhead 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.520 X oh yeah, what's up with That's who just called me? 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:23.480 When they called me? Maybe when on what's the Coalition DJ? 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:26.000 Is that the biggest DJ group? You got records that 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:27.880 you need to get placed and play in the strip 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.359 clubs whatever? That's x he was. He was my n 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.840 R for like all the y'all so stupid, Yeah, because 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:37.399 he did legal album. Uh like legal records, Yeah record. 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:44.880 Can we talk Joy and Enjoy? 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:51.040 Yeah, yes, beel vibe, don't say nothing this like this 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:51.879 like snoop now. 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:57.680 Yeah, it was. It was cool because during that time, 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.159 you know, I it was D'Angelo and Joy and like, 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:02.560 it was just that phase of what they started to 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.080 call neo soul that was coming out of Yingang out 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:09.239 here Cafe had everybody in there. It's like that's when 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.600 I think music that's before that actually kept starting to 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.480 come out as neo soul when you have Ndiri, Enjoy 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:19.480 and Erica and everybody's kind of playing in Yin Yang. Yeah. 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:21.160 And when we did the Sunshine and the Rain record, 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:25.119 just a whole record, it was such a different record 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:26.600 for what I was working on at the time. I 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:28.160 didn't want to go do the same I never wanted 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.159 to do the same thing on anybody. I kind of couldn't. 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:31.920 I didn't know how to do it. So I would 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:34.160 just go do whatever that person was. I would produce 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:37.440 that person and enjoy was just like full on. She 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:39.600 bought so much knowledge of stuff I didn't know, the table, 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:42.440 like the Betty Davis and stuff and like and just 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.600 being her own element that it just it was amazing. 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.640 And she's just one of those artists that somebody's gonna 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:50.200 keep it real. They gonna keep it one hundred percent 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:52.080 on the ground they don't care. Fishbone was the same way. 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:52.639 You know. 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.600 I talked to Fishbone one time and say I wanted 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:57.439 them to do Spirits at the Material World over right. 0:23:57.680 --> 0:23:59.320 Ah wow. 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.320 I was like, we had Arista bro right, we gotta 0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:05.359 deal at Arista. We can do the whole punk album, 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:07.639 we could do Alcoholics, we can do everything, but just 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:09.560 give me Spirits and Material World so the Clive and 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:10.800 them can take it and do something with it. 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:13.080 Like, man, that's being crazy. 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:14.919 He's like, no, Man, that's the police. That ain't real 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:18.000 sky Bro, And I'm like, we ain't selling out. I'm 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:19.960 like but I know, but we at Arista, now, you 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:21.840 just did All the Palosa last year, would Swim and 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:25.040 you were huge with that record, so let's keep going 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.320 your fishbone. Nobody cares if you're sing a Garth Brooks record, 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.640 You're still Fishbone. So they wouldn't do it. And then 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:33.280 I ran in the flee and they had just did 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.520 roller Coaster, right, and I said, uh, and we all 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:38.280 the studio and I said, yo, man, So did y'all 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.680 feel like y'all sold out doing roller Coaster? He said, no, man, 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:42.680 we had fun. MTV wanted it. It was cool. And 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.160 so I'm trying to get Fishbone to get because we're alternative. 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:48.399 And I understand it because I grew up an alternative 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.600 to the Max. I was just like, I was that guy. 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:54.119 But I also grew up watching alternative turn big and 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.200 become the mainstream. And it turned with the Chili Peppers. 0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.680 The difference in them doing the George Clinton records and 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:03.480 doing the record you know, I'll try to went to 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:05.600 another spot. And that's why even with even with Joy's 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:07.720 and I think a lot of the artists that you know, 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:09.560 they have a certain kind of integrity, They just don't 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:12.000 want to cross over into doing anything that. 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:14.240 Does they feel like they compromise themselves, feel. 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:15.080 Like they compromised themselves. 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.680 What was the deal with her second album, The Beaba 0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:22.200 Cleansing Syndrome kind of the same, we you know, because 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:23.919 it never got officially released. 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.280 We never got officially released because in between that, you know, 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:28.920 and then E and I round the same time starts 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.240 to say, Okay, now we you know, stuff is happening. 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.119 We have diagelos and now we need more of this. 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:34.760 You know that when you start to say that to 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:37.480 an artist, they just be like, especially the artists like 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.320 Joy because she feels like she was a spearhead of 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:41.560 a lot of it, you know, so it's kind of 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:43.080 hard to take tell her to go back and do 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.240 something you know that she didn't want to, that she 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:46.120 didn't feel like doing. 0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:47.920 Time to Smile. That was my one on that record. 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:48.639 A smile. 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:53.080 Yeah, you know you worked with back when he was 0:25:53.160 --> 0:26:00.919 still Terence string Derby. It's a Nanda's Ananda Montreal. 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:01.200 Yeah. 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:04.920 Yo, It just hit me that you literally have every 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:08.600 eccentric artist every because next I'm going to Michael Jackson. 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:10.719 But what was it like working with him? 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.240 It was a trip because he so he had just 0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:15.760 turned hisself into Sonanda. So he was in that middle 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:17.280 kind of thing. 0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:17.600 You know. 0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:19.160 He had a dream where the angel came and told 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:21.840 him they needed to change his name, and he he 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.159 did it and so but his as soon as you 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:27.840 hear him sing, yeah, it's like when you hear that voice, 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:29.239 it's like when I was working with Duran Duran, as 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.320 soon as you hear that voice, like the Simon, you're like, 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.240 oh man, that it just resonates instantly to you, and 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:38.520 you're like, and he was amazing. He's like I think 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.119 he was still one of the artists that at that 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:42.639 time we worked together. You know, coming off of all 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:44.800 the success. When you get in that era, when you 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:46.399 got a lot, a lot, a lot of success like that, 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.679 some people just start hating it. You know. Same thing 0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:52.160 with Kurt Cobaine and the people. They started hating success, 0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:54.720 and then they don't want to Sometimes when they do that, 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:56.720 they don't want to make the best record. 0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.119 There's a lot of self savage it and all that. 0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:04.320 But who is your ideal subject that you work with? 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:08.960 They take your constructive criticism good and who can't you 0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:12.720 tell anything to Nope, I'm doing one take or whatever, like. 0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:16.200 Oh, Jeded Jackson was the easiest one. Okay, she's the 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.040 easiest person I ever worked with. Yes, Dallas, what are you, Dallas? 0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:21.159 What do you want doubts? Yes, Dallas, I mean not 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:28.399 one throwback on nothing and then task the hardest. What 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:30.120 I probably worked was Macy great. 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.600 Macy great. Yeah, based on what I mean. I'm not 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.399 trying to be reductive, but she was just. 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:37.920 In the epitome of a Macy moment. 0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:41.840 I think, you know, different day. 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:46.119 It was insane, but it was. You know, it's because 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:49.200 also she's she's an own artist with her own like 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:50.840 you know, you're show up to the studio, we're supposed 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.080 to be there. Three. She already one with musicians that's 0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.800 been sitting around forever like just like and then they're 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:57.119 doing their own thing. They hold on wait and then 0:27:57.200 --> 0:28:00.679 label's busy on Dallas get control of everything, and I'm like, oh, 0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:04.960 I thought I had it. I know, but you know, 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.920 I've never really worked with anybody that I try to. 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:10.520 I try to source that out before, you know, like 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:12.520 if we're going to have good energy or not, because 0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.120 sitting in that room with people like that, no, that's 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:17.760 not what we do. It for you know, I don't. 0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:19.800 I don't do this. We have drama, trouble. I try 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:21.480 to make the best music we can make with somebody 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:24.800 who gets it. And you know, so I've never really. 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.840 Had a bad, bad one, you know, Deon Sanders must 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.160 be the money's coming. 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:33.760 I keep going back to Sugnight my stories doing it. Okay, 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:41.360 so yes, so exactly studio and we're working on Deon's 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:48.280 working on being on Death bro Right because we went 0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:52.440 to Death roll Right. So sull comes studio and he goes, yo, man, 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.120 Dean Sanders really wants you to do this record must 0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:57.960 be the music over, this must be the money. I was, oh, no, man, 0:28:58.800 --> 0:28:59.880 that's probably not a good idea. 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:00.320 You know. 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.200 He's like, well, you felt comfortable saying no. Well, I 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:05.720 just said that probably is not a good idea. 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:06.320 That's a guess. 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:07.280 That's not so. 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.880 Then he had a book, a photo album full of cars. 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.400 He opened it up. It's Lamborghinis, it's Rolls, Royces, it's Faris. 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:18.280 It's like he said, big one. So good man, you 0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:19.600 know what I'm saying. I don't want to take a car. 0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:21.240 You know, I don't be in debt at you know, 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:23.600 something like that. I understand you. So he said, all right, 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:25.120 all right, I catch you. I got So he gets 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:28.320 on the phone. I'm thinking myself, I just want this 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:28.840 to be over it. 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:32.080 You're a darned double. 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:34.400 So then he gets records. When he comes back in, 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:37.360 he goes, man, look, DI don't want you to do 0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.120 the record. He really wants you to do the record. 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:41.040 By that time, I was about to just say, okay, right, 0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:43.479 we'll figure it out, but he goes, so what if 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:44.880 I do this? Man, I give you two hundred and 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:48.040 fifty thousand dollars right now. I said, to do must 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:49.840 be the music overhim, he said, yeah, I got that 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:53.760 record in the back. We can do this. Now. Let's 0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:57.440 get to it if you wanted to night it's the 0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:59.640 fastest record that ever did. With the fastest but I 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.960 ever made the most money ever made on any song like. 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:06.840 Events like wow. 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:09.880 He was happy with it, and I was happy with it, 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:11.520 and everybody that. 0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:14.480 Yeah it didn't. First off, I didn't even know you 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:17.360 you know, but yeah it wasn't. 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:18.960 That was one of those things where I don't think 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:22.000 anyone was expecting Dion to like bar up, you know 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:22.320 what I mean. 0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:25.040 So to us, it was just funny to us, you 0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:25.600 know what I mean. 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:28.680 Like we be singing that because he had to ran 0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.120 at the end. They say, money ain't gonna change me. 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:35.520 It's gonna change it's gonna change my address, it's gonna 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:40.600 change my bank account, it's gonna change my gators. 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:44.200 Like I had. Are you telling the last. 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:47.520 Shout out to Sanders and. 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:54.840 Coach bry you know, let's go to it, Michael. Oh yeah, Now, 0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.240 how many songs did you do for history? 0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:01.960 From Blood on the dance Floor? They don't care about 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:05.680 us too bad this time around. Probably a couple of 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:06.120 other ones. 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.080 But I'm at the ones that are somewhere in the vaults, 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:09.560 Like it's. 0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:11.640 A couple of them in the vaults, just tracks. Yeah really, 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.000 But what's crazy is I got him. I still got 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:16.959 his beatboxing because he would beat boxing to the thing 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:22.800 to show you what he wanted to boom. Okay, sample that, 0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:25.560 So I. 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:28.719 Got discussion now, Okay, I'm so glad that the cameras 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:30.840 are here. But here's the deal. 0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:35.640 Now, at the time, it is probably the first time 0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.120 that I'm a little lukewarm on a Michael record, because 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.880 every album Michael Jackson is like a goddamn event, you know, 0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:45.160 I'm a diehard fan to the end, but you know, 0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:47.440 I also understand that he's probably been working on it 0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:54.880 for some time and too bad. Just I finally warmed 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:59.959 up to it maybe three years ago because I initially 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.640 thought jam and Lewis did it. But the thing that 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.680 always killed, like, I know Michael is a dancer, and 0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:11.560 I know he wants an audio accountability aboutever his bones move, 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.560 so the particular rhythm, and too bad, which is. 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:26.160 Like I can they tell you, They'll tell you that 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:28.440 he doesn't want the same thing. I want to do 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:29.040 something different. 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:32.360 And so the thing is is that. 0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:37.000 History is not a bad record, and this is and 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:41.960 this is why I applaud what Beyonce did because you know, 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:43.440 I heard a record in the car, I heard her 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:46.040 record on her headphones, on my computer, whatever. But when 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.360 I went to the night club and they played it 0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:50.320 three times the second time, I was like, let me 0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.440 not stand next to them and go on the other 0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:54.280 side and see how people reacted to it. They played 0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:57.200 the entire record, and she achieved something that I know 0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:00.600 that Michael's been dying to do, which is cannot put 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:05.560 a record on that's high adrenaline that lasts from beginning 0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.880 to end. She managed to do it because she managed 0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.400 the highs and the lows part, which for Michael Jackson 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:15.200 always felt like every song has to be adrenaline, has 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:17.720 to be adrenaline, not dynamic. So yeah, by the time 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:19.959 you get to the seventh song, you're already worn out 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.160 because it's not like anything's executed bad or whatever, but 0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:26.680 just in one full setting, it's like four grod like 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:30.200 he's stuffing you with And by the time I got 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:33.640 you know, I just I heard too bad on its own. 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.120 And but the thing is is that the rhythm of 0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:40.880 that song can only be for a person that walks 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:46.600 like Michael Dan. How do you craft something with Michael 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:48.280 Jackson if you're not a band playing it. 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:54.239 Like like he does all that, He'll be in there 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:56.040 with what you're doing. The This is how I wanted 0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.680 to feel it. I wanted to and he said, amos sticks, 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:03.240 amos sticks, take it. But his his, you know, I 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.240 think like anything else though. His when I first worked 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:07.960 with Michael was like with Bruce Swedeine and them. And 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:09.279 then I said, well, you know what, this is really 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:10.919 my vibe. So I left went back home. 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.399 When I came back, you were allowed that's the one 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:15.520 person he walked away from. 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:17.520 Yeah. I was just like it was too much going. Like, 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:19.960 you know, Bruce Swotine and Renee Moore was working with him, 0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:22.759 and it was kind of like yeah, and they had 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.600 their own little things going on. You know, the project's huge, 0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:29.960 so they got their own little side. Energy was not good, 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:32.680 you know. So I left went home. Michael called me 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:35.279 back and like, Dallas, why did you leave? I was like, well, 0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.040 you know, I was at the studio with those guys 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:38.680 and I'm not really going to be a part of 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:40.320 what's going on over there. And he said, oh no, no, 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:41.840 we'll come back and work over here with me at 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.640 this studio. I'm in the studio here and then Jimmy 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:46.400 jam and it was here. Oh yeah, that's why I 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:48.120 want to be. So I come back and I walk 0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.960 in the room and Jimmy jam is in there and 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:54.239 he's playing and I see him and I just fanned out. 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.440 I was just like, Jimmy, jim Man, you don't understand 0:34:57.960 --> 0:34:59.480 what if you wanted how to play keyboards whatever, you 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:01.880 was a little The first meet him, I'd seen him 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:03.840 like before the first time I met it was at 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.320 flight time when they when they had Rhythm Nation, the 0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:09.120 Rhythmation premiere of it, and I got so depressed. I 0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.600 just wanted to kill myself. I was like, I went 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:14.160 to Flight Time they had they was showing the Knowledge 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:16.640 videos and the whole Rhythm Nation in eighteen fourteen thing, 0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.080 and I was just outside, just like crying. Was like, 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:21.560 I'm never gonna be this good. This is awful. I 0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.680 don't know. That's that's when I did I want to 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:25.520 tell CP record. I was like, gotta make it where 0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:27.719 you can see it. It's a little more vivid, you know. 0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.960 So when I saw him with Michael, I was just like, yo, man, 0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:34.360 he had to be like this is Michael was like 0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:38.440 Michael hey man, Jimmy jam so and I felt like 0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:41.640 Michael didn't get enough energy from me that time. So 0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:43.920 he and then he played Scream and I was just like, 0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.279 I go again, God damn, what out that just here? 0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:51.920 He's like, and I was like, okay, now how am 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:53.279 I going to? What am I going to do now? 0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.759 Like because this ship just sounds crazy, you know. And 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.040 then it's Jimmy jam Tey Lewis doing Michael Jackson. So 0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:00.520 it was like I was just kinda loss for it. 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:01.880 So then he took me, and it took us in 0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:03.360 this room after a while, and like, you know, a 0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:05.239 room where you have all your like Teddy Bears and 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:07.240 your you know, if you're gonna be in the studio 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:08.880 for a long time, it's like your room. You're a 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:10.960 loud Yeah, And this dude just start putting it in 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.120 tapes like he's like, so, so this is when I 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.400 was like, you know, there's three hundred thousand people outside 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.000 and three hundred thousand people inside, and you know, and 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:19.040 and so you see. 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.120 Him chat Michael Mike, he carries on the highlight. 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:25.920 After he took that out, he's like, oh ship. Then 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:27.880 he put in another one, and this is when boom, 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.440 you're looking at it and it's Africa, Michael Michael. That's 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.560 all they could say. And he's I was building hospitals 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:34.719 and and this is me with Charlie Chap. So every 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.160 time he's sticking another tape, I stopped being scared to 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:39.480 look at him because I'm like, that's that mother. You know, 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:43.680 it's working, you know what I'm saying. And the last 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:45.480 one he put in was that I don't know if 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:47.279 you've seen this before, but it was him sitting at 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.880 the piano and he's singing I'll be there, and he 0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.000 has a tank top on and it's like doing the 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.160 like remember the time kind of phase right right, and 0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.359 then he keeps seeing Little Michael saying I'll be there, 0:36:57.520 --> 0:36:59.359 and he's in the doorway. He looks back and Little 0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:01.880 Michael is in the the Pepsi commercial, a Pepsi commercial, 0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:04.080 but at that time he shot it as a like 0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:06.680 he would shoot commercials like that as demos and then 0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:07.319 wouldn't even. 0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:09.799 Use him what like, he shot that on his own 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:10.680 and sold it to Pepsi. 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:11.319 Yeah what. 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:13.839 Wow? 0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:15.560 And I said something like isn't it good to be great? 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:17.800 Or something on it doing the project. He was just so, 0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.440 you know, adamant about being parent, was paranoid in a 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:23.080 different way because that's the history record, you know. 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.520 I was going to ask about they don't care about us? 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:29.000 And also this time around, were you there for when 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:30.359 they tracked Big Vocal? 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:32.720 Yeah, being Big is sitting in the car outside Larabie. 0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.560 I called Puff and I was like, yo. First I 0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:37.640 asked Michael. He said, one rapper for this song on 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:39.879 Somebody that's really street, you know, So what about Naughty 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:43.600 by Nature? I need somebody harder. I said, oh okay. 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:49.160 So I said all right, well, well well Biggie yeah yeah, 0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:51.399 you know you know him say yeah. So I called 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:54.080 puff I said, yeah, bigg out of work with this 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:57.560 Michael Jackson record with me, Like yeah yeah, now, so 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:00.840 big he comes out me and him sitting in the 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.200 cars smoking and playing a song went over again, and 0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.080 He's just like, yo, I can't believe him sitting in 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.120 the car with you bro writing on. So Michael Jackson said, 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:09.279 this is crazy. It's just like you know, And so 0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:11.600 he's writing around. So after finished, he says it to 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:14.040 me and I'm like, oh no, that might be too hard. 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:16.560 He's like making a prophet. G I'm kill a motherfucker. 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:18.480 I ain't joking. Then those smoke got me talken like. 0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:25.719 So I was like, all right, well, let's just go 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:27.319 play it for him, but I don't know Mike about 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:30.120 to tone down something. Oh no, right. As soon as 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:33.720 he played it, Michael's like, I love it. That's exactly 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:34.640 what I wanted to say. 0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:40.160 What I want to know is because you know, at 0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:44.560 the time, you know, Tom Sneedting was on it was 0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:47.480 it on his ass, So I know that Mike was 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:52.680 was riding the razor of well to just situation, you know, 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:55.799 changing his name around and all that ship was there 0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:58.239 anyone that was in the room. That's sort of like, hey, dog, 0:38:58.520 --> 0:38:59.839 you shouldn't talk ship. 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:06.520 Well, dude, you realize this. During that time he was 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:09.040 the most you know, sought out the person on the planet. Remember, 0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.319 the plane kept landing in different places, so he said, 0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:14.480 he said, it's a Dallas. This was horrible. You know, 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.880 they are you know, he said, the plane was landing 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:20.080 in different places and taking off, and they're looking for me, 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:22.120 and I'm sitting in the hotel room in Russia looking 0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:26.000 at it. The Russian government hit him and that's when 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:29.120 he rote stranger Monscow. He's watching it on TV. The 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:32.200 planes keep taking off and landing, but he's in the 0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:36.360 KGB is after me. He's writing the song, watching this 0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:38.279 happening with the whole world is looking for him, and 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:41.080 Russia's hiding him. Right. So by the time he comes 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:43.680 up from all of this, his history record was to 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.200 like show everybody. So the first thing he did was 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:51.080 he went and got the whole Brazilian army. So when 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.640 you look at the history trail again and I was 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:54.960 wondering why he told us to do this. He sent 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:56.600 us to the Museum of Tolerance. You ever been there 0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:59.200 on Pico and walked past it, I didn't know what 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:02.040 was in there. Place is fucked up. So because you 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:03.719 go in there and it's the Museum of Tolerance, it 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:05.480 tells you, you know, when you walk through, when you 0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:08.560 first get in, and start calling you names like spig, nigger, cracker, 0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:12.240 white boy. Yeah, And then it shows you what happened 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:14.560 to all these different races, like you know the kids 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:19.080 and Africa kids, and you know Atlanta where they spreading 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:21.040 the kids with the water holes and stuff like that. 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:23.080 So you're going through this whole place and at the 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:26.240 end that you're in the gas chamber in the Holocaust, 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.520 and by the time you get out of that place, 0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:31.479 you just like everybody's looking at each other all fucked 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:33.200 up because you didn't know that this race did it. 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:34.800 That people are crying, you know, and so I'm like, 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:37.440 why did he make us go see that? So I 0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:39.719 get back and he's takeing the film that they show 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:43.160 in there is the is the Hitler film, and he's 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:46.000 got the army and then marching past these like these 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:48.040 pillars and then you see a little dog and then 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.040 you see the army marching more and then when Hitler 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:53.000 gets to the top, the flags come down. Right. So Michael, 0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:58.279 they make the same film History, right. Okay, so if 0:40:58.280 --> 0:40:59.920 you look at the History trailer, now I got it. 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.560 He got the whole Brazilian army. He went to just say, hey, 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:04.680 can we shoot the thing with the whole Brazilion army goles. Yeah, 0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:07.480 we'll be in your trailer for your new album. So 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:11.040 their marching, their marching, They got a little dog come 0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:13.839 around just like the thing and then the flags come down. 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:17.640 It's the same thing. Then he had the silver statue 0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:23.919 with the helicopters flyer right. So yeah, so when when 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:27.799 he started going at Tommy right and start going at 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.680 Sony and all that, the first thing they said was, okay, 0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:34.560 well you said caike me, and they don't care about us. 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:38.480 Take those records off the shelf. So they took all 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.560 the History records off the shlf. Remember that, right, because 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.840 he said kike me. But then it wasn't just kike me. 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:47.600 He had the whole He did the whole Hitler thing. 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:51.480 He mimiced the Hitler video. So they started coming to 0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:54.360 him hard then going you know, and for him. 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:57.320 So for reference in case our audience is a little confused, 0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:00.400 like he's basically going down the list of everyone in 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.959 history that's been disparaged and spit on it whatever. 0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:06.880 But again taking out of context. 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.839 Yep. Uh, you know he never saw that one coming either, 0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:11.960 because that's both. 0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:14.879 Versions of the records where both references are on. But yeah, 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:19.320 I feel like the blackballing of him started really when. 0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:22.440 It started them, and it started with the war with 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:24.120 him and like Sony and then a t V and 0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:26.680 then it just started that whole member. Then he's going 0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:29.600 down to he's going down to New York City with 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:31.720 Al sharping and the red. 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:33.920 Busses and the videos of him with the f O 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:35.000 I coming out. 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:36.719 In the video with him when he said, you know, 0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:41.480 I had to help Mariah out a little bit, remember 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:45.680 that press the press conference, she had to come crowd 0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:48.560 my shoulder a little bit. Turned came out, I'm like 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:53.440 and and his voice got deeper when he said. 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:59.040 Yeah, Jacksons, Yeah he's from Indiana. 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:04.000 He was. And then at that point, but what's crazy 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:07.320 is he would say like you know, he would broadcast itself, 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:09.680 like you know, when he when he had the shirt on, 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:11.759 he broadcast itself, the Red Shirt, and he saying, I've 0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:15.120 been humiliated. I've been they you know, they've checked my house, 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.520 they checked my private parts. All this. He took a 0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:21.439 satellite to Netherlands and broadcasted that hisself and then said, okay, 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.840 y'all can tap into this. He's like so because he 0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:26.759 was saying, Dallas, if I go to their networks and 0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:28.279 do it, they're gonna cut up my words and they're 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:29.759 gonna make it say what they want me to say. 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.120 So he told them, Okay, anybody want to know what 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:35.120 I got to say, y'all seven o'clock, you can call 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:42.400 into my satellite. And that's what was the first. He 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:45.239 had relationships with people that the most countries didn't have. 0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:48.000 Like you can go into any country and they're gonna 0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.160 love Michael Jackson. They might hate our president, they might 0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:52.480 hate the government. So all different presidents all around the 0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:54.960 world love him. And when we were at the studio 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:59.640 one day, he said, Dallas, I did a hospital in Africa. 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:01.400 But look what the United States did. They put on 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:04.440 the govern that Michael Jackson thinks Africa stinks. Because he's 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:07.839 holding his nose and he said, this is what I'm 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:09.400 talking about. This is what I'm talking about. Look at this, 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:11.160 So people are going to come by the day from 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.120 the studio just to thank me whatever, dude, it looked 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.240 like coming to America. They came in with the rose petals, 0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:19.400 they came in with the giant lion heads and gold, 0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:20.920 and there was a King clean of some point in 0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:23.000 Africa's coming to thank him for the hospitals and what 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:26.000 he had done. And you know, so when you have 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:28.920 that kind of like influence around everybody, when you get 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:31.200 on somebody's bastard, then it just you gotta watch out 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.320 for everybody, right, You don't know who's coming at you. 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:35.719 That kind of power don't exist, no one, Oh no, no, 0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:36.799 he's the last of that one. 0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:44.680 Okay, just as a fan and as a person that 0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:48.799 had an immense crush dog man, what happened. 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:49.040 With for real? 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.400 I love they was so dope? 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:57.320 Yeap wait side story. So maybe the second time I 0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:02.080 went to La I was supposed to meet them, like 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:03.760 four beautiful sisters. 0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:08.480 They all had close cropt. 0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:09.880 Right sexy at ship. They couldn't make it. 0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:13.520 And I happened to be across the street at a 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:17.000 restaurant like a health food thing, and that's how I 0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:21.160 met the Jazzy Fat Nasties just then wound up moving 0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:24.240 in my crib and all that stuff. But my intention 0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:26.120 was like to sort of bring for Real. 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.959 Into like a couple different bodies. 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:30.800 They came out like you produced this joining us like 0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:33.719 straight sixties on the Amy Winehouse tip and all that stuff, and. 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:40.640 They all had short they were like the original like. 0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:45.520 Before it was yeah, no, no, they all were different. 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:49.439 I remember this, you know, but it's weird. 0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:52.640 Yeah, like it's weird because like I was looking to 0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:55.680 like team up with them. There there was a group 0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:57.640 called for Real. There was another group called I Think 0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:01.160 step Brother, Ye, I'll be Dan, you know round Like 0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:03.799 they were like the singing far side. Like I thought, okay, 0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.200 let me collect them and then I'll make a crew whatever. 0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:10.160 But step child, step child, yeah, step child, but yeah, 0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:10.839 but for real. 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:11.600 Uh. 0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:14.759 She ended up ended up marrying David Gates, who was 0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:17.520 my right hand man at Rowdy all those years, and 0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:19.719 then they even having children and then just going on 0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:20.200 with life. 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:22.200 I remember seeing some of their names on like Stevie 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:25.400 Wonder record, so he would occasionally have him sing background. 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:27.279 But I always wanted to know what happened with them, man, Like, 0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:29.600 what was the reason for your two labels? You had 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:30.800 Rowdy and you had. 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:36.200 God the label limp rowdy or like Limp. Yeah, I 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.000 had Limp and I just because it was supposed to 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.879 be like the things that were slightly different. So yeah, 0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:44.120 and then Cloud was giving me junk about Rowdy at 0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:45.800 the time, you know, because I wanted to keep it 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:47.520 rowdy and not. I didn't even I didn't want to 0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:49.200 sign that like Monica. I didn't think it was rowdy, 0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:52.360 but I had Why wasn't she on rowdy? Well she 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:53.839 was on rowdy, That's what I'm saying. But I had 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:56.680 to remember seeing on the face or she was on rowdy. 0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:59.239 But I had to end up signing her because of 0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:01.680 all the other deaths, so Fishbone and other stuff like that, 0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:03.400 you know, And so I said, let me just go 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:05.959 do what another do, and so we end up signed 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:08.840 Monica there. But it was always the kind of offset, 0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:11.279 you know, having a different brand in different places of 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:12.279 the type of music making. 0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:15.640 Is she one of your artists that you're always make music? 0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:19.839 I love Monica, She's I wanted. Monica's like my daughter. 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.000 She's always been my like, Yeah, she's she's got the 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:24.800 same team around her that's been around her since we 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:25.200 signed her. 0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:26.799 Oh good, so when we come back we can get 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:27.440 her because. 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:29.799 Oh yeah, she's the same Melinda and Mom and she's 0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:32.960 the most thing about Moa is that she grew into 0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:34.799 the songs that she got older because the songs were 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.040 so grown, so singing well I love you so much 0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:39.960 now makes sense. It's like you hear people singing in 0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:40.800 the audience, You're. 0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:42.839 Like, and when she sings it now, it's like, yeah, 0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:44.000 she feeling it different. 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:45.919 Yeah, yeah, it's a whole different story. 0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:47.200 Now she sounds so great. 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:52.000 Still, What was the for for just one of them days? Backseat? 0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:54.719 Ll Yeah, dude, that's what me and Clive got into 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:56.920 it about. That's when I was gonna leave Arista because 0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.360 I turned in, don't take it personal, and he's just like, 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.840 oh man needs a bridge. Was like, no, no, no, 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:04.839 she's fourteen. She's singing over the back seat of the jeep, 0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:07.320 just one of them days. Don't take it personal. It's ignorant. 0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:10.160 It's supposed to be like that because they was trying 0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:13.560 to say them days And I'm like, did you know how. 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:17.120 We would affiliate that with something biological or or did 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:17.799 you just. 0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:20.719 It's just one of them days and it's gonna be, 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:23.880 you know. And for her when I first when I 0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:25.640 first saw one, because she would always come in she 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:28.719 had his little green brow gold rings on and a 0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:30.880 little sweatsuit with a bunch of little bitty chains on, 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:34.080 like you know all the ghetto girls look and back then. 0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:35.960 And she would come in and she was saying the 0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:37.640 greatest love of All and she'd be like, okay, am 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:41.600 I done? And then she's gone by the business. I'm like, damn, 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:44.520 this attitude is bigger than us singing. It's crazy. So 0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:46.960 I kept telling Clive and them, they kept trying to 0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:48.960 come with these dying warren and all that. So not yet, 0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:51.160 It's not time. You got to sell this attitude. Like 0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:54.640 she's d from what's happening. You know what I'm saying. 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:56.360 She's always in grown folks business. 0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:59.920 And she always like anthem. So yeah, he was like, 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:01.040 I don't take a person one. 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:02.799 I'm so proud of what she's grown into just as 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:05.200 a mother and a person period. You know, she's she 0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:07.480 got to always had her head on straight, always been 0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:08.640 just like the best. 0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:12.880 Is there anything that you have yet to do? Is 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:14.640 there anything left on the bucket list. 0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:18.160 Yeah. I mean what I'm doing now is having having 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:22.560 my own distribution company dad wow. And over the course 0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:25.800 of the pandemic, I just dove really hard into my 0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:28.000 distribution company because I want to make a difference in 0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:29.879 the way stuff is distributed, because you're making no money. 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:34.120 So luckily blockchain came along, and now I have a 0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:37.360 protocol that I launched in November will allow you to 0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:39.560 choose your own streaming rates. So you can choose your 0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:41.439 own streaming rate on music. You can stream for ten dollars, 0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:43.239 ten cent, two cent, you can stream for a year, 0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:45.319 five months, forever, it's up to you. You can sell 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:48.040 it as an artist, as an artist for all your content. 0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:51.640 And I'm implementing it not just on my platform, but 0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:54.080 in other platforms like Amazon, Like I want everybody to 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:55.960 use it, because that's how we're going to change the 0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:58.480 course of how the industry is at this point. You know, 0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:01.560 Spotify and all those blanket license and the blanket license 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:02.920 trip is over. That was a band aid in the 0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.080 first place. Like, you can't blanket license all of us 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:07.520 because that means that nobody's gonna make no money. So 0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:09.440 you got people well, I can see people with three 0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:11.839 four five million streets, ten million streams, and you're still 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:14.600 not really making no money. So you know the next 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:17.239 step is when we launched this is to you know 0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:19.480 this dope. I saw Meek mil tweed about it one day. 0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:21.080 He's like, man, as soon as somebody made this direct 0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:24.280 consumer to artists, you know, we already got it. Just launching. 0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:26.120 You can go to for your Apple, pay your Google, 0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:29.200 pay up to fifty contracts on one song, so all 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:32.600 of us. Yeah, and it comes to you instantly to everybody. 0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:35.520 What's crazy is my auntie brain was like, you know, 0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:37.520 when you hear distribution, it was such it used to 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:41.600 be such a physical word, right, it's changed physical nothing. 0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:45.719 User generated content killed that. Soldier boy killed that all 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.319 because the manage you can make it in the Mac 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.919 and then distributed to your myndspace or Facebook or whatever 0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:53.279 it was that was that ended up being distribution. So 0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:56.799 it took away all the trucks and machines and brick 0:50:56.840 --> 0:51:00.120 and mortar stores and warehouses and all that. And you know, 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:01.800 we distributed over two hundred DSPs. 0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:04.200 So like because back in the day, a person, a 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:06.759 person like you saying I have a distribution company, that 0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:07.960 it was no such thing. 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.839 Yeah, like this is the dream. This is why people 0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:12.520 went to labels because they had no distribution. 0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:15.320 So I'm just like, yeah, I love it because I 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:18.719 see people signed up from around the world Children's books Cube, 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:20.560 but Canada, everywhere. It's just all kinds of stuff. And 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:22.560 so because of my music person, I don't really the 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:25.000 volume is one thing. The most distribution companies about how 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:27.160 much volume can we get because that's how they make money, 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:30.719 And I'm about, like, no, who's really dope. So I'm like, 0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:32.960 you see me on Sundays just scrolling through my backside 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.040 looking at labels, looking at what they got, clicking in 0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:37.640 who is this? What music is it? And I have 0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:39.279 to say, we don't. I haven't seen a lot of 0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:41.960 badass like music that would come through that, like it's 0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:43.960 a dy you can little up at home. But I 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:45.440 think they're trying to live up to the standard of 0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:47.960 my song, right, No, my brand in a way, and 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.080 it's really good music that comes. So I'm like, we 0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:51.080 got to help these people out. 0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:52.160 Are you pissing off the labels? 0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:57.160 Not yet? Okay, soon comes we're going to disrupt that process. 0:51:57.239 --> 0:52:00.520 That process is old. You have things for future, and 0:52:01.000 --> 0:52:02.640 you can't think of how they did it or done 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:04.400 and all that is just done already. You know. 0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:09.520 One last, one, last question about just two songwriters that 0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:12.640 I've never really talked to anyone that like knew Arnold Hennings. 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:15.759 Oh yeah, this is crazy. I asked for everybody to 0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:16.600 just call them my phone. 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:23.080 Oh that was outside like and uh and also dev Killings. 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:26.800 That was like the best kept Atlanta secret. She's she 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:29.400 She sung on every song I've ever done from like 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.600 all the backgrounds on Creep or what about Your Friends, 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:34.520 or like all the Outcast records, and she's an amazing based. 0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:36.960 Her bass player was like, she's a base player. ND 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:37.600 he didn't cut it. 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:39.160 He didn't cup it once twelve, but he also did 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:41.640 take our time. I thought that was you for the 0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:42.960 loss on the TLC. 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:46.400 Hennings was a dope man. It's like one of the 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:48.400 things I did when I came in the game is 0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:50.719 like I bought producers together to try to give them 0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:52.960 the opportunity I wish I had, you know, instead of 0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:55.440 me getting ripped off of and work for higher contracts 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:57.040 or whatever. I was like, well, let me just find 0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:59.719 people that are dope and then give them the same opportunity, 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:01.680 but make it where they gonna make their money, you know, 0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:03.920 so on him and timbabw Wan want to be you 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:07.920 know way out here. Yeah, bro, so we just love 0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:09.680 music like that, and I just want to make it 0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:12.360 where I feel bad when I feel glad that I 0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:14.160 came up in the era where we made money. But 0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:18.640 now it's just you know, it's shady. It's sixty thousand 0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:20.879 records going out out there and it's not enough. It's 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:23.320 just not enough money in that blanket license to pay everybody. 0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:26.880 Okay, why didn't Silly Hope. 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:32.600 Like I wanted it just because I'm serious, Because it 0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:34.399 was like it should have had a video. 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.799 It sounded so industrial, like I felt like Rhythm Nation 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:43.560 meets like Yes and all that shit. 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:45.480 Yeah, fan Mail was one of my favorite albums I 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:48.680 did because it was just the concept along when Lisa 0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:51.360 first came in. When she goes, yeah, I got a concept. 0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:52.960 It's called fan mail, and we can put all the 0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:55.200 artist names on the back that that the senters letters 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:57.120 from the fire and all this. I said, oh, yeah, 0:53:57.160 --> 0:53:59.239 that's brilliant. I can hear that already. I know what 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:01.400 to do. And then she goes yeah, and then the 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:03.839 rest of it's called fan tc dot com. And I said, 0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:05.000 what is that? Well, you know, we could be playing 0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:08.480 with ourselves and doing this and that. Oh what's interesting 0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:13.520 is the first only fans. She it was what only 0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:15.440 fans is now? Back then, of course me and all 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:17.759 the rest of the girls like, are you crazy. You know, 0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:19.399 She's like, look Ki, I'm doing it, and this person 0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:21.440 doing it, we gotta be like. And so then because 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:23.680 me and the girls were like, no, we can't come 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:26.080 off waterfalls and you guys are having you know, people 0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:28.839 play play with yourself and keep your money. And then 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:30.359 she goes, okay, well I quit. 0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:32.919 Oh wow, that's what she quit. 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:35.239 That's when she quit the second time. So she quit 0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:37.520 right at the beginning of fan mail, and so then 0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:41.080 I had to like, so all the created virtual Viki. 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:43.960 I had to go to my computer and take the voices, 0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:46.920 sample each word and make them rap that you know 0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:48.880 you can't get with this one not you just go 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:52.080 and find give it up the rhythm. So you had 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:53.560 to put it on the keys to make it have rhythm. 0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:55.200 Because she quit and we have rapper, So I said, 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:57.960 we create a rapper and we created the virtual Viki character. Right, 0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:00.160 So at the beginning, she goes, welcome, we dead had 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:02.040 this album. To everybody that sent us fan mail, that's 0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:06.240 computer talking just like you. I get lonely too, that's computer. 0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:09.040 The silly Hole rap all the way up to the whole. 0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:13.080 Created I'm a sucker. Don't you go ahead and ask 0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:13.560 that question? 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:18.120 Yeah, she wasn't, And so we did Silly Hole. We had, 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:20.480 we had the album done, but we didn't have no scrubs, 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:23.080 and so I heard I went over to Tricky and 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:26.239 Shakespeare because I had them working on I had Shake 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:28.040 and Tricky working on the JT money stuff for me 0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:30.920 at the time, like who that. So when I went 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:32.719 to check on that, they played me no scrubs. It 0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:35.200 was for Candy and Tiny and I was like, give 0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:36.839 me that song for TLC. I make it the single, 0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:38.400 silly Hold. It just rolled out as like a pre 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:42.040 It was like all that TB Gangster. But I'm like, 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:44.520 if you give me that song, I'll put chili on 0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:46.560 the verses, which we haven't done before, and then this 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.000 will be the single. They said, you guarantee it. I 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:50.719 guarantee you give me that song would make it the single. 0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:53.200 And so then because no scrubb came in last like that. 0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:57.719 So wait, tiny and lower, how to get Candy? Tiny 0:55:57.760 --> 0:55:58.799 and Candy not pissed at all? 0:55:58.880 --> 0:55:59.600 Did they understand that? 0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:02.759 Oh no, no, it was because they wrote it, That's 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:04.480 what I'm saying. They were didn't have to sing. 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:06.879 Oh no, they wrote it, and then that took That's 0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:10.200 what made Candy take off. After no scrubs, then Bugaboo 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:12.680 and Destiny, all that stuff started to come ahund in Shakespeare. 0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:16.399 So that was like, you know, remember that is trying 0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:17.560 doing anything musically. 0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:20.600 Now was doing music. He's doing his own How was 0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:21.960 he now twenty five? 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:22.560 God? 0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:27.680 Sorry, I can't even imagine trying trying. Oh yeah, making. 0:56:29.280 --> 0:56:32.120 We've been waiting for this. This is way beyond Yeah 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:37.360 we expected. I don't think she's going to come with stories. 0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:40.080 And oh man, I'm walking stories all my life. Bro 0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:41.719 I worked with So I've been blessed to work with 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:42.719 so many people. 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:46.560 That the next movies will be just saying, Dallas. 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:48.160 I got a couple of them coming up now. 0:56:49.120 --> 0:56:53.760 Okay, well yeah from Sugar Steven like and Fan Takelo 0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:55.280 and Unpaid. 0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:59.719 Bill, the Great Dallas Austin, thank you, thank you, thank 0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:00.399 you for music. 0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:00.600 Man. 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:03.799 I appreciate it, it was awesome and uh we will 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:06.560 see you next time of course, Love Supreme check it 0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:06.960 all later. 0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:12.759 H H. 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:21.880 West Slop Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 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