Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hey everybody, it's like yah.
Speaker 3: So we're back with part two of our Quest Love
Speaker 3: Supreme in Atlanta with Dallas Austin. Now, if you missed
Speaker 3: part one, that's when Dallas spoke about growing up around
Speaker 3: some amazing musicians. He talked about his earliest credits and
Speaker 3: making those big ass hits with Boys to Men and
Speaker 3: t LC.
Speaker 2: Make sure you check that out.
Speaker 3: In the meantime, get ready for this amazing part to enjoy.
Speaker 1: Yo. All right, look illegal, just stay on.
Speaker 4: Because do you remember the Snoop story and the source
Speaker 4: oh with when Jamal.
Speaker 1: What was that? Because they had me to the beefing against.
Speaker 5: The everybody dude When I first so left eye, she
Speaker 5: she bought me these kids one day to the studio
Speaker 5: and she was getting ready to go on the road.
Speaker 5: So I got this group. You gotta sign in the rowdy.
Speaker 5: They're dope. There's like a little red mantle. And when
Speaker 5: they came to the studio, they were finishing each other's sentences.
Speaker 5: They were like them dudes was like dope. They was
Speaker 5: like yo, no, no, they're throwing dice with each other. Like
Speaker 5: these little dudes is bad. As ship. She's like, well,
Speaker 5: keeping with you, I gotta go into her striking, right,
Speaker 5: So they stayed in the studio with me at dark
Speaker 5: We have rooms in there, right, So the kids of
Speaker 5: everybody's loving these kids, like Eric Simon, Buster rhymes, everybody
Speaker 5: that's in my studio work diamond d. Everybody's working with
Speaker 5: me already. So the kids come in and they out
Speaker 5: wrapping everybody. They are rapping and cussing and rapping and cussing,
Speaker 5: and you know, hit a gud way you wanted hit
Speaker 5: a good pop pop. So nobody's ever seeing kids curse,
Speaker 5: like I forget when they started twelve eleven. So then
Speaker 5: I took them to Arista so Cloud because and they
Speaker 5: jump up on the them conference room table, check off
Speaker 5: everybody's coffee cups like I'm like, okay, just ruined this
Speaker 5: ship like we did after class was like amazing, amazing start.
Speaker 5: I'm like cool, we started to work on this record, right,
Speaker 5: And so Lisa goes out of town the two of them.
Speaker 5: About three or four days later, Malik comes up to
Speaker 5: me and say, yo, man, you got the blunt? I said,
Speaker 5: what you twelve I'm smoking? What is the blunt? By
Speaker 5: the way, And I'm not smoking up with you. I
Speaker 5: don't even know it was. Everybody's still smoking papers. He
Speaker 5: dumped done out. He said, okay, he futed, got his
Speaker 5: pocket on his own and his own wie dumped it
Speaker 5: out and start rolling in front of me, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: what's going on? Man, I gotta talk to you d
Speaker 5: he said. He said, this is Malik. He said that
Speaker 5: motherfucker Jamal. I don't know him. What wait what I said,
Speaker 5: hold on, hold on, hold on. We sid the head.
Speaker 5: We had just shot the head of that video, and
Speaker 5: then they want to go solo because he's like, man,
Speaker 5: he said, let me tell you something. I don't know
Speaker 5: this motherfucker. I've made him the same day with left eye.
Speaker 5: We've been together like that. I said what he said? Yeah,
Speaker 5: he said, I don't trust that motherfucker. Have to sleep
Speaker 5: with one. I open. He's twelve, by the way. So
Speaker 5: what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get my solo. D.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get my this So I'm not hold on,
Speaker 5: hold on. We just spent y'all gotta do head of gut.
Speaker 5: We just did the video. We did it. Gets busy,
Speaker 5: y'all gotta follow this out you can't go solo right now, right,
Speaker 5: So check this out. The first promo tour started in
Speaker 5: La a right, there's five hundred thousand dollars promo to it.
Speaker 5: They got because Clive Davis is going crazy about them.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: So they get to LA and they decide that they're
Speaker 5: gonna stay with Dre and Snoop.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh no, no, no, let them influence.
Speaker 5: Oh parents are on the way, their parants are. They're
Speaker 5: the PICGMIC one day and they don't got with Dre
Speaker 5: and Snoop and they death Row and they turned that
Speaker 5: they did. Right. So now Arista's calling me, like, yo, man,
Speaker 5: the kids they won't leave LA. They're threatening the BMG
Speaker 5: reps and everything else. But hit them with the hammers
Speaker 5: in their head and you know they got little guns
Speaker 5: and all this shit. So I'm like so I'm like,
Speaker 5: all right. So Clive calls Dallas, this is crazy. You
Speaker 5: have to go get the kids. To go get the
Speaker 5: kids from where from death Row? You gotta go meet
Speaker 5: with Sugar.
Speaker 2: That sentence don't sound right.
Speaker 5: Rock these little dudes. I'm not going through that, Dallas.
Speaker 5: We have too much money on the table. You have
Speaker 5: to go get the kids. You get them, so me,
Speaker 5: yeah right, so me my man, k wells we go
Speaker 5: out to death row. Pull get up in the elevator. Man,
Speaker 5: get off the elevator. It's just big dudes everywhere. Ain't
Speaker 5: no posters, ain't no plaques, ain't no record from stress.
Speaker 1: It's just like.
Speaker 5: Woods, paneling walls. Right. So walk into another room. It's
Speaker 5: a fold out table, fold out chair. That's when we
Speaker 5: sugar desk, get a red carpet. That's a death row,
Speaker 5: like a red round thing. Right. But that's it knows
Speaker 5: nothing else, right, So we walk in there saying that's
Speaker 5: so she'll come in. Man, what's up? D Man? You
Speaker 5: know so good man. You know artists ain't loyal man,
Speaker 5: you know how artists get. Man, I'm like, here we go.
Speaker 5: So he's like, the boys got out here with Dre
Speaker 5: and snoop Man, and you know they just they just
Speaker 5: want to be on death row now, you know, they
Speaker 5: just want to do I said, I'll tell you what,
Speaker 5: just give me back when we spent, you can have them.
Speaker 5: He said, no, No, I was thinking we could do them together.
Speaker 5: You know, rowdy death bro. What I was like, Man,
Speaker 5: I'm cool on it, Like you can just just fly
Speaker 5: back with this spend, you can have them. I said,
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to get out of here, right. So
Speaker 5: he goes, well, man, what the kids want to see
Speaker 5: you real quick? Man? They want to say hey. You know,
Speaker 5: so they come out of it. They come out of
Speaker 5: the wall that looked like they.
Speaker 1: Came out of the wall. The wall like the Wizard of.
Speaker 5: The Panel wall open up. And these little dudes, now
Speaker 5: they're about thirteen fourteen. They still can't drive right, all right,
Speaker 5: thirteen fourteen. So they're like highs. I don't know what
Speaker 5: hey man, Dallas and me and him man, me and
Speaker 5: shoot niggas ain't me and they are high on sherm
Speaker 5: or whatever it is. So I was like, I'm cool,
Speaker 5: we can work this out later. I'm just let me
Speaker 5: get out of here, right. So I get back to Atlanta.
Speaker 5: Two days later, Malik shows up. Oh party of Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: He's like, no, no, I can. I can't deal like that.
Speaker 5: He says, let me tell you something, man, Jamar Grandma
Speaker 5: put some roots on me. When you huh, you say,
Speaker 5: what a legal story you're here? Jamal Grandma put some
Speaker 5: roots on me, said what do you talk about? Man?
Speaker 5: He's like, man, well, I'm just tell you like this man,
Speaker 5: my ship swrolled up and I said, so that's because
Speaker 5: you're out there with death Rod Charlie, messing with them
Speaker 5: girls whatever.
Speaker 2: God wrapping it up.
Speaker 5: He how you talk to you? No, I'm a verge
Speaker 5: of my.
Speaker 4: Nigga and that is our clip for the Dallas Austin episode.
Speaker 1: The next question left free.
Speaker 5: So talking about but check this out even worse. So
Speaker 5: he said, So I went to the doctor. D took
Speaker 5: me to the doctor, he said. So the doctor said
Speaker 5: they didn't know what this was what happened to me.
Speaker 5: So then he said and said, we got to take
Speaker 5: you to this lady in the hood. Say take it
Speaker 5: to the ladyhood. Ladyhood says, oh yeah, yeah. Somebody puts
Speaker 5: some on you need to take a bath in this
Speaker 5: milk and then this stuff he gave me, he said,
Speaker 5: So I did that. They went down, I got my
Speaker 5: ask on the plane and here I am here ready
Speaker 5: to do my solo record.
Speaker 2: Solo record.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: Now the other part about this is meanwhile they got
Speaker 5: a record out, gets busy, they got ahead of it out,
Speaker 5: and Arista's just trying to do everything they can to
Speaker 5: push the guys that they can't get hold to.
Speaker 1: It was the red tape I had to take.
Speaker 5: We get all the way through the whole down. They
Speaker 5: never went on no promo tour. That all got kicked
Speaker 5: out of the window from them being crazy or whatever,
Speaker 5: and they stayed out on death Road that long. Well,
Speaker 5: we get to the Billboard awards that year. Right now,
Speaker 5: Clive Davis is getting twenty something awards that he's getting
Speaker 5: all the Whitney Houston's all. You know, he just racked.
Speaker 5: He's just doing this thing. You know, so rap category
Speaker 5: come up cool like that planets hip hop parade. In
Speaker 5: my nature, we gets busy ilegal people like, okay, then
Speaker 5: the winner is illegal. We gets busy.
Speaker 2: Stop it.
Speaker 5: You can see us looking at each other. Now, if
Speaker 5: the kids did what they were supposed to do, it
Speaker 5: it made sense, right because they would have went on
Speaker 5: the promo tours. The people would have got you know,
Speaker 5: they would have been blown up. But Clive got to
Speaker 5: put his bids in early. It was almost embarrassing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: He wasn't as big as Digable Planets or Hipapa another.
Speaker 1: Because Jamal ended up getting the solo deal.
Speaker 5: Jamal both of them did so Malik ended up doing
Speaker 5: his solo deal. We did that. Malik goes on.
Speaker 1: Keep it real was the one though, and they were.
Speaker 5: They were again on that track. They were right there
Speaker 5: on stuff. I had to publishing company set up for
Speaker 5: them as kids.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid to ask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please, I want you to ask, and I want
Speaker 2: to know to go ahead.
Speaker 1: Where are they now?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Sin's something sweet around. I see, we'll
Speaker 5: see Jamal living now and then. But they have had
Speaker 5: times with me before. This was like, man, we fucked up. Sorry, man,
Speaker 5: we just like me. They were doing contu pistols and
Speaker 5: like you know, driving cars in the people's houses, still
Speaker 5: in the engineer's cars, sitting on pillows, driving the engineer
Speaker 5: cars to North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Like at least it just chilling.
Speaker 5: She told me. They was. I feel like everybody, everybody
Speaker 5: just use the kids instantly fall in love with him
Speaker 5: because they gamble. They're like the coolest little dudes.
Speaker 2: They just it's cute if you spent a little time
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 6: But not when you invested five hundred thousand dollars. No, man,
Speaker 6: two hundred dollars, that was that was cute.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 1: I hate to ask about y'all so stupid.
Speaker 5: You're also stupid was cool because they were like, you know,
Speaker 5: they're like a fartside. They were like skateboarding and drawing
Speaker 5: and doing graffiti and doing art and you know, and
Speaker 5: so H two still does the same thing, still doing
Speaker 5: art and drawing. And how was was the King get
Speaker 5: out of that was one. They were cool because they
Speaker 5: were just out of New York and it was just
Speaker 5: like your majesty was doing stuff, doing a lot of
Speaker 5: production back then, and I think he was in Juice
Speaker 5: or something back then too.
Speaker 3: It's not I mean, we're going down there because I
Speaker 3: want to ask you about and did Davenport but that's
Speaker 3: way later.
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't know what we were doing.
Speaker 1: But we did skip Highland and placed Monsters.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: There's always a point where we asked, like if the
Speaker 4: producers themselves get their own project out or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I personally liked, let's get naked.
Speaker 5: Holland place Monsters was crazy because the guy Chip who
Speaker 5: was the lead singer.
Speaker 1: Who I heard he actually would get naked, were.
Speaker 5: Getting naked on stage and this is the time where
Speaker 5: that was really cool. Like that right, So like the
Speaker 5: first show we ever did, we did here in Atlanta,
Speaker 5: and so let's get naked and he's he's different. This guy,
Speaker 5: he's very, very different.
Speaker 2: I don't remember him.
Speaker 5: They called the maniac in the group and he always
Speaker 5: out on the straight jacket.
Speaker 4: I would have said they were way crazier. Jodas like, yeah,
Speaker 4: what I wanted Joasy to be for fast songs, that's
Speaker 4: what Land like.
Speaker 1: Besides get on up. Jodasy never had the fast.
Speaker 4: Song that like engaged me. So I saw him as
Speaker 4: a balance right there out. But these guys, the bad
Speaker 4: boy your daughter's.
Speaker 1: Group was Highland placed mobsters and that ship should have
Speaker 1: made it.
Speaker 5: Chip was like, this is this is what kind of
Speaker 5: this how the kind of the minds went down? So
Speaker 5: we did this show with the b R Yeah. Yes,
Speaker 5: And so I was telling him like, okay, on this
Speaker 5: show at the BRI, you cannot take your overalls down
Speaker 5: because he'll snap the overalls me and they just come
Speaker 5: down and he's just but ass naked with his socks on.
Speaker 5: You just told get it because he had did this
Speaker 5: before at one show we did, and he when he
Speaker 5: did it in Atlanta, I was fun. I had to be.
Speaker 5: I'm chasing him around the stage like trying to hold
Speaker 5: but he but I couldn't so in Atlanta, he had
Speaker 5: jumped out on the rafters of the You know how
Speaker 5: the light rafters be in front of the stage too,
Speaker 5: so he's now here on the rafters and he just
Speaker 5: naked My mom. Everybody's an audience kids, it's just you know.
Speaker 5: So it went. It went across well on the sky
Speaker 5: pages back then, because everybody's talking about you've seen how
Speaker 5: the place Master Show. You've seen how the place Master Show.
Speaker 5: So there's like gifting. The courage was like, Okay, now
Speaker 5: you guys got to perform at br I'm like wow,
Speaker 5: I said, but that's Black Radio Exclusive. That's gonna be
Speaker 5: like crazy, y. Yeah, you got to though, we need
Speaker 5: to do it. So we go to do it, and
Speaker 5: when we get there, so the hell of the world. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So we get there, the stage is like this, so
Speaker 5: it's not high enough. So I'm telling him off the back, yo,
Speaker 5: my man, okay, don't drink no old e to night,
Speaker 5: and do not take your clothes off on the stage
Speaker 5: like this a Black radio people. He said, Oh man,
Speaker 5: I got it in and I worry about it. I
Speaker 5: go to the damn room. Right. We're doing an interview
Speaker 5: with Cynthia Horner at the time he doing an interview
Speaker 5: with her. I look at him, he's licking, like what
Speaker 5: is he doing? He got a eighty four ounce handcuffed
Speaker 5: to his hand of old English, like a big apple
Speaker 5: juice jug of old handcuff to his hand. Yes, because
Speaker 5: they had a little ring and that's why he put
Speaker 5: the handcuff in. And he had that handcuff to his hand.
Speaker 5: He's like, man, I got this ship, no way about
Speaker 5: the I'm like, my god, we're about to go on
Speaker 5: stage like this. So we go to the stage and
Speaker 5: he got that damn thing handcuffed to his hand, right.
Speaker 5: So I finally get to get the old e off
Speaker 5: of him. I say, man, you can't jump around this thing,
Speaker 5: gonna take it off? Okak. He seems like cooking somebody,
Speaker 5: like like ras real. Absolutely, So we make it through
Speaker 5: one song and then we get to Let's Get Naked.
Speaker 5: So he's jumping around the stage on Let's get neckd
Speaker 5: and I see him taking off his damn things. So
Speaker 5: I got a key tar on by the way, so
Speaker 5: I'm just like on the stage holding onto that damn thing, right.
Speaker 5: So he decides that because you know I'm holding on
Speaker 5: him like that, that he's gonna stage dive. Oh he's
Speaker 5: stage dive. Well, he still had the top, he still
Speaker 5: had the bottom pot of the overalls on because I
Speaker 5: was doing this when he staged. He stage dies and
Speaker 5: he jumps out into the audience and lands on somebody.
Speaker 5: Stage is like this tall, So I told him don't
Speaker 5: stage dive is not high enough. Right. Well, we get
Speaker 5: to finish the performance and go upstairs. All of a sudden,
Speaker 5: like La and Babyface come come running upstairs, Yo, sugnighting
Speaker 5: him downstairs and there looking for the boys with the
Speaker 5: blond hair. Why well, he has a group called Poor
Speaker 5: Broke and Lonely, and he landed on the girl's neck
Speaker 5: and she's at the hospital. So Sugar Night, doctor Dre
Speaker 5: and everybody with them is ready to kill all y'all.
Speaker 5: We're like, oh ship, now, La and Babyface, we got
Speaker 5: another knock at the door. Sugar came La, Babyface ran
Speaker 5: the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Shut.
Speaker 5: What's going on? What's going on? Sugar got the door? Like, Yo,
Speaker 5: open the door, try to get to the blond. Open
Speaker 5: the door, try to get a blond due. So now Chip,
Speaker 5: who's nobody to be? He's crazy too, he's out of
Speaker 5: his mind. I met him bleard machine guns and he's
Speaker 5: crazy karate all this. So first he turned into let's
Speaker 5: go check it out man to see the girls. All right, No,
Speaker 5: you don't want to go out there. They trying to
Speaker 5: kill the blond due we're bringing the motherfuckers. Hey, you're there,
Speaker 5: let's go. No, no, no, So we got to calm
Speaker 5: this down. Well at this point, the police then came
Speaker 5: up and took Dre and Sugar. You know, soy y'all
Speaker 5: got to get out of hallways because it was being
Speaker 5: on the doors and stuff. I wasn't waiting a lot
Speaker 5: before them to come downstairs. Police came in. They said, look,
Speaker 5: we got a problem. It's about two hundred people and
Speaker 5: red and down downstairs wait waiting on y'all. So we're
Speaker 5: gonna need y'all to leave, and we're gonna take y'all
Speaker 5: down through the kitchen and put y'all on the bus
Speaker 5: and y'all going to Atlanta. So they had you walk out.
Speaker 5: It's police lined up all down the hallways. Right, we
Speaker 5: get on the bus, take off, get to Atlanta, I
Speaker 5: mean take off to get out of there. And then
Speaker 5: that was just ow if y'all remember this. But they
Speaker 5: got into a riot and that bry that time in
Speaker 5: the hotel room and they I mean in the hotel
Speaker 5: lobby and they brought the horses in and they had
Speaker 5: people that were hitting them with the sticks and stuff
Speaker 5: to get them out of there's a big related yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I remember Luke telling the story. Ye, so
Speaker 4: that distracted them.
Speaker 5: That was all. Yeah, all that was going on. So
Speaker 5: after that the Hollow Place monsters.
Speaker 4: I heard that same story my man Eric, and he
Speaker 4: was at that event. He told verbatim, word for words,
Speaker 4: told me that same story. So dude, like, okay, so
Speaker 4: this answers my question, Like we were beg to go
Speaker 4: to these jack rappers, how can I be down events?
Speaker 1: And the label would never let us go.
Speaker 4: And now get the sneaky suspicion that that was orchestrated
Speaker 4: because they.
Speaker 2: Were scared for you.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she wasn't always like that, but look, this is Dallas.
Speaker 5: It started to get like you know, at this as
Speaker 5: time went on, the music started to change, it started
Speaker 5: to get a little more like that because you're gonna
Speaker 5: have the gangster showing up and you know, they're not
Speaker 5: showing nobody theirself. They're gonna bring the whole airplane.
Speaker 6: Oh, speaking of gangsters, your relationship or dealing with Haitian
Speaker 6: Jack O Jack.
Speaker 5: Jack.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wait, how do you know he knows? He
Speaker 1: talks about it on this in the document Time in Atlanta. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't watch that.
Speaker 5: It was good.
Speaker 1: It's like it's thorough.
Speaker 5: I didn't know. But when I first met him, he
Speaker 5: was down, you know, he was down in Atlanta. He
Speaker 5: had his eight fifty and I think they were like
Speaker 5: they were notorious. It wasn't really like dope boys. It's
Speaker 5: like getting the dope boys or whatever. They was taking
Speaker 5: the money. So it was in Atlanta, and man, it
Speaker 5: got cool, Like everybody kind of liked me, you know,
Speaker 5: because I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, are you crazy magnets? Like how do you not?
Speaker 4: Like literally everyone that you work with has a level
Speaker 4: of edge. Yeah, that his voice, men, I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they just like, you know, they feel safe. For man,
Speaker 5: the music business so cool and like, no, you know,
Speaker 5: they feel like they want to protect you. You know,
Speaker 5: that's my man kind of thing. So, like I was
Speaker 5: in New York with Jack for the first time. When
Speaker 5: I when I met him in New York, and uh,
Speaker 5: He's like, man, you don't want to take you to uh,
Speaker 5: what was it? The supper club? Okay, So we go
Speaker 5: there and we're standing outside in the line, and Jack's
Speaker 5: trying to, you know, say that the guys, hey, you know,
Speaker 5: I got my guest here, got Dallas and were getting
Speaker 5: table till Vincent I'm here whatever, right, So the guy
Speaker 5: ain't coming. This is why I really try to realize
Speaker 5: who this was. The guy's not showing up. So Jack's like, Yo,
Speaker 5: did you tell Vincent about here? He's like yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 5: Jackie said, hold up, all right, I'll tell you what
Speaker 5: you tell him. I'm coming back and I'm shutting this
Speaker 5: motherfucker down. Everybody. Everybody in the line that was standing outside,
Speaker 5: they just started to leave. Yeah, And I was like, okay, okay,
Speaker 5: then the dude can run up. Jack Jack Jack Jack John.
Speaker 5: I'm like, who then is this dude?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: And then as I started working with Madonna people like that,
Speaker 5: then Jack Jack started to be around me and that,
Speaker 5: and you know, being I know that, wait what.
Speaker 1: Hasian Jack and Madonna?
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's the words when it came from me first,
Speaker 5: and then I was.
Speaker 4: Afraid to ask yeah, because we're kind of friends. But
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, the edge of your Madonna.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got he was hanging out a little bit
Speaker 5: first friendlier Madonna, Yeah, trying to Yeah, but then it
Speaker 5: was after that rob Man and Jack and Tupac, all
Speaker 5: that was in that same kind of little circle where
Speaker 5: she was trying to have a little edge at the time,
Speaker 5: she was trying to be in.
Speaker 2: The streets, and you gave her the first taste brown then.
Speaker 5: But then Jack out a whole too. I mean, this
Speaker 5: is a funny story. So after I finished working on
Speaker 5: the album, Madonna took the record and mixed it with
Speaker 5: Nelly Hooper Nello. But I was supposed to go out
Speaker 5: and mixing on that day. So it's like August twenty
Speaker 5: if we mixing the record, come to La all right,
Speaker 5: it's airy cool. And when I'm going there, She's like, well,
Speaker 5: already mix it. I already mixed the album with Nelly
Speaker 5: and it's coming out and here it is sent it
Speaker 5: to me. So I was like, well, are you want
Speaker 5: to take my stuff and mix it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: So I'm pissed off. I don't you want to talk
Speaker 5: to you no more? You don't take my joints and honest.
Speaker 5: So then I'm in New York and I'm riding with Jack.
Speaker 5: He goes, that's fun. Yeah, yeah, and with Dallas. He's
Speaker 5: right here. Hey, Madonnad want you to come by and
Speaker 5: hear the album. Man, she said, she really wants you
Speaker 5: to come by the house. Man, she really wants you
Speaker 5: to come here. I said, I'm trying to go over there.
Speaker 5: He said, I don't want to time out. She said, please, man,
Speaker 5: just come by. I said, why am I talking to you?
Speaker 5: To talk to the phone, right, So we getting up
Speaker 5: going over the house to listen to the record. I
Speaker 5: was like, uh, it was just weird because I want
Speaker 5: to listen to it. So I said, well, you know
Speaker 5: what you did? This mess up my mixes. You messed
Speaker 5: up everybody mix it. So I feel all right.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, are you allowed to be honest?
Speaker 5: Yeah? And I was pissed off.
Speaker 1: And this is what record is?
Speaker 5: This human nature, this is a secret, this is survival.
Speaker 5: We did all these songs together and it just started
Speaker 5: going south, you know. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: you know, like we ended up making up because it
Speaker 5: was just like firing. At one point, I wish I
Speaker 5: still had the letter that she wrote me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to it's this miss Museum.
Speaker 5: She wrote me a letter going off, I should understand
Speaker 5: her struggle because it's the same as like a black
Speaker 5: man and this that and the other boy wire you another.
Speaker 5: So then after about but after a few years, it
Speaker 5: was like, you know what, I don't have no bad
Speaker 5: energy with nobody on the planet, and I don't want none.
Speaker 5: And so one day I called her. She was doing
Speaker 5: like a vida or something. I just called out of
Speaker 5: blue and I was like, hey, She's like, Oh, what
Speaker 5: did I do to deserve this call? Now I'm like, nope,
Speaker 5: it's your record. You know what I'm saying. I learned
Speaker 5: a lot from you. As long as it turned out
Speaker 5: the way you wanted to be, I should be happy
Speaker 5: with that because it up to you is your record.
Speaker 5: I'm working for you on that. Squash this energy and
Speaker 5: let's just be cool. And then from that point was good.
Speaker 1: Do you think that was?
Speaker 6: Like, was that the first time you learned that lesson
Speaker 6: as a producer of just learning just to let things go?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Well, the Boys the Man when they put out
Speaker 5: the rough mixes, I had to let that one go
Speaker 5: because I wouldn't even listen to it. I didn't listen
Speaker 5: to that record. For years, I was selling millions of records,
Speaker 5: and then just like my mom was working at this
Speaker 5: as at barbecue too, so I was like in bad contracts.
Speaker 5: So I really wanted my stuff to be like what
Speaker 5: Teddy's will sound like, or with some of what you know,
Speaker 5: the other records I would here sound like. And when
Speaker 5: they put that out, I was just like, that's one.
Speaker 5: So then working with her was another one. I had
Speaker 5: a lot of humbling experiences because when you come from
Speaker 5: being a creator and then you get to the label side,
Speaker 5: you have to look at it both ways, you know.
Speaker 1: So even Motown Philly was a rough mix.
Speaker 5: Rough mix.
Speaker 4: I mean you kind of acknowledge now like it's effective
Speaker 4: in a banger, but the version in your mind was
Speaker 4: way bigger.
Speaker 5: Or yeah, it's like, you know, I had drums still
Speaker 5: on four tracks instead of having them all.
Speaker 4: Yeah okay, yeah, I feel you there. It's hard to
Speaker 4: take about it yesterday. Was that always an a cappella
Speaker 4: or did you initially have music behind it and stripped it?
Speaker 5: It was always a capella. I just did put it
Speaker 5: like a bass and the and the snaps to it
Speaker 5: and kind of let the ooze and stuff be the music.
Speaker 4: To it.
Speaker 6: Okay, oh man, one of the producers used to spearhead
Speaker 6: X oh yeah, what's up with That's who just called me?
Speaker 5: When they called me? Maybe when on what's the Coalition DJ?
Speaker 5: Is that the biggest DJ group? You got records that
Speaker 5: you need to get placed and play in the strip
Speaker 5: clubs whatever? That's x he was. He was my n
Speaker 5: R for like all the y'all so stupid, Yeah, because
Speaker 5: he did legal album. Uh like legal records, Yeah record.
Speaker 1: Can we talk Joy and Enjoy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, beel vibe, don't say nothing this like this
Speaker 4: like snoop now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was cool because during that time,
Speaker 5: you know, I it was D'Angelo and Joy and like,
Speaker 5: it was just that phase of what they started to
Speaker 5: call neo soul that was coming out of Yingang out
Speaker 5: here Cafe had everybody in there. It's like that's when
Speaker 5: I think music that's before that actually kept starting to
Speaker 5: come out as neo soul when you have Ndiri, Enjoy
Speaker 5: and Erica and everybody's kind of playing in Yin Yang. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And when we did the Sunshine and the Rain record,
Speaker 5: just a whole record, it was such a different record
Speaker 5: for what I was working on at the time. I
Speaker 5: didn't want to go do the same I never wanted
Speaker 5: to do the same thing on anybody. I kind of couldn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't know how to do it. So I would
Speaker 5: just go do whatever that person was. I would produce
Speaker 5: that person and enjoy was just like full on. She
Speaker 5: bought so much knowledge of stuff I didn't know, the table,
Speaker 5: like the Betty Davis and stuff and like and just
Speaker 5: being her own element that it just it was amazing.
Speaker 5: And she's just one of those artists that somebody's gonna
Speaker 5: keep it real. They gonna keep it one hundred percent
Speaker 5: on the ground they don't care. Fishbone was the same way.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I talked to Fishbone one time and say I wanted
Speaker 5: them to do Spirits at the Material World over right.
Speaker 1: Ah wow.
Speaker 5: I was like, we had Arista bro right, we gotta
Speaker 5: deal at Arista. We can do the whole punk album,
Speaker 5: we could do Alcoholics, we can do everything, but just
Speaker 5: give me Spirits and Material World so the Clive and
Speaker 5: them can take it and do something with it.
Speaker 1: Like, man, that's being crazy.
Speaker 5: He's like, no, Man, that's the police. That ain't real
Speaker 5: sky Bro, And I'm like, we ain't selling out. I'm
Speaker 5: like but I know, but we at Arista, now, you
Speaker 5: just did All the Palosa last year, would Swim and
Speaker 5: you were huge with that record, so let's keep going
Speaker 5: your fishbone. Nobody cares if you're sing a Garth Brooks record,
Speaker 5: You're still Fishbone. So they wouldn't do it. And then
Speaker 5: I ran in the flee and they had just did
Speaker 5: roller Coaster, right, and I said, uh, and we all
Speaker 5: the studio and I said, yo, man, So did y'all
Speaker 5: feel like y'all sold out doing roller Coaster? He said, no, man,
Speaker 5: we had fun. MTV wanted it. It was cool. And
Speaker 5: so I'm trying to get Fishbone to get because we're alternative.
Speaker 5: And I understand it because I grew up an alternative
Speaker 5: to the Max. I was just like, I was that guy.
Speaker 5: But I also grew up watching alternative turn big and
Speaker 5: become the mainstream. And it turned with the Chili Peppers.
Speaker 5: The difference in them doing the George Clinton records and
Speaker 5: doing the record you know, I'll try to went to
Speaker 5: another spot. And that's why even with even with Joy's
Speaker 5: and I think a lot of the artists that you know,
Speaker 5: they have a certain kind of integrity, They just don't
Speaker 5: want to cross over into doing anything that.
Speaker 1: Does they feel like they compromise themselves, feel.
Speaker 5: Like they compromised themselves.
Speaker 6: What was the deal with her second album, The Beaba
Speaker 6: Cleansing Syndrome kind of the same, we you know, because
Speaker 6: it never got officially released.
Speaker 5: We never got officially released because in between that, you know,
Speaker 5: and then E and I round the same time starts
Speaker 5: to say, Okay, now we you know, stuff is happening.
Speaker 5: We have diagelos and now we need more of this.
Speaker 5: You know that when you start to say that to
Speaker 5: an artist, they just be like, especially the artists like
Speaker 5: Joy because she feels like she was a spearhead of
Speaker 5: a lot of it, you know, so it's kind of
Speaker 5: hard to take tell her to go back and do
Speaker 5: something you know that she didn't want to, that she
Speaker 5: didn't feel like doing.
Speaker 1: Time to Smile. That was my one on that record.
Speaker 5: A smile.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you worked with back when he was
Speaker 1: still Terence string Derby. It's a Nanda's Ananda Montreal.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yo, It just hit me that you literally have every
Speaker 4: eccentric artist every because next I'm going to Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: But what was it like working with him?
Speaker 5: It was a trip because he so he had just
Speaker 5: turned hisself into Sonanda. So he was in that middle
Speaker 5: kind of thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: He had a dream where the angel came and told
Speaker 5: him they needed to change his name, and he he
Speaker 5: did it and so but his as soon as you
Speaker 5: hear him sing, yeah, it's like when you hear that voice,
Speaker 5: it's like when I was working with Duran Duran, as
Speaker 5: soon as you hear that voice, like the Simon, you're like,
Speaker 5: oh man, that it just resonates instantly to you, and
Speaker 5: you're like, and he was amazing. He's like I think
Speaker 5: he was still one of the artists that at that
Speaker 5: time we worked together. You know, coming off of all
Speaker 5: the success. When you get in that era, when you
Speaker 5: got a lot, a lot, a lot of success like that,
Speaker 5: some people just start hating it. You know. Same thing
Speaker 5: with Kurt Cobaine and the people. They started hating success,
Speaker 5: and then they don't want to Sometimes when they do that,
Speaker 5: they don't want to make the best record.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of self savage it and all that.
Speaker 4: But who is your ideal subject that you work with?
Speaker 4: They take your constructive criticism good and who can't you
Speaker 4: tell anything to Nope, I'm doing one take or whatever, like.
Speaker 5: Oh, Jeded Jackson was the easiest one. Okay, she's the
Speaker 5: easiest person I ever worked with. Yes, Dallas, what are you, Dallas?
Speaker 5: What do you want doubts? Yes, Dallas, I mean not
Speaker 5: one throwback on nothing and then task the hardest. What
Speaker 5: I probably worked was Macy great.
Speaker 1: Macy great. Yeah, based on what I mean. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be reductive, but she was just.
Speaker 5: In the epitome of a Macy moment.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, different day.
Speaker 5: It was insane, but it was. You know, it's because
Speaker 5: also she's she's an own artist with her own like
Speaker 5: you know, you're show up to the studio, we're supposed
Speaker 5: to be there. Three. She already one with musicians that's
Speaker 5: been sitting around forever like just like and then they're
Speaker 5: doing their own thing. They hold on wait and then
Speaker 5: label's busy on Dallas get control of everything, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: I thought I had it. I know, but you know,
Speaker 5: I've never really worked with anybody that I try to.
Speaker 5: I try to source that out before, you know, like
Speaker 5: if we're going to have good energy or not, because
Speaker 5: sitting in that room with people like that, no, that's
Speaker 5: not what we do. It for you know, I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't do this. We have drama, trouble. I try
Speaker 5: to make the best music we can make with somebody
Speaker 5: who gets it. And you know, so I've never really.
Speaker 6: Had a bad, bad one, you know, Deon Sanders must
Speaker 6: be the money's coming.
Speaker 5: I keep going back to Sugnight my stories doing it. Okay,
Speaker 5: so yes, so exactly studio and we're working on Deon's
Speaker 5: working on being on Death bro Right because we went
Speaker 5: to Death roll Right. So sull comes studio and he goes, yo, man,
Speaker 5: Dean Sanders really wants you to do this record must
Speaker 5: be the music over, this must be the money. I was, oh, no, man,
Speaker 5: that's probably not a good idea.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: He's like, well, you felt comfortable saying no. Well, I
Speaker 5: just said that probably is not a good idea.
Speaker 2: That's a guess.
Speaker 1: That's not so.
Speaker 5: Then he had a book, a photo album full of cars.
Speaker 5: He opened it up. It's Lamborghinis, it's Rolls, Royces, it's Faris.
Speaker 5: It's like he said, big one. So good man, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. I don't want to take a car.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't be in debt at you know,
Speaker 5: something like that. I understand you. So he said, all right,
Speaker 5: all right, I catch you. I got So he gets
Speaker 5: on the phone. I'm thinking myself, I just want this
Speaker 5: to be over it.
Speaker 1: You're a darned double.
Speaker 5: So then he gets records. When he comes back in,
Speaker 5: he goes, man, look, DI don't want you to do
Speaker 5: the record. He really wants you to do the record.
Speaker 5: By that time, I was about to just say, okay, right,
Speaker 5: we'll figure it out, but he goes, so what if
Speaker 5: I do this? Man, I give you two hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty thousand dollars right now. I said, to do must
Speaker 5: be the music overhim, he said, yeah, I got that
Speaker 5: record in the back. We can do this. Now. Let's
Speaker 5: get to it if you wanted to night it's the
Speaker 5: fastest record that ever did. With the fastest but I
Speaker 5: ever made the most money ever made on any song like.
Speaker 1: Events like wow.
Speaker 5: He was happy with it, and I was happy with it,
Speaker 5: and everybody that.
Speaker 1: Yeah it didn't. First off, I didn't even know you
Speaker 1: you know, but yeah it wasn't.
Speaker 6: That was one of those things where I don't think
Speaker 6: anyone was expecting Dion to like bar up, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean.
Speaker 1: So to us, it was just funny to us, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like we be singing that because he had to ran
Speaker 4: at the end. They say, money ain't gonna change me.
Speaker 4: It's gonna change it's gonna change my address, it's gonna
Speaker 4: change my bank account, it's gonna change my gators.
Speaker 1: Like I had. Are you telling the last.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Sanders and.
Speaker 4: Coach bry you know, let's go to it, Michael. Oh yeah, Now,
Speaker 4: how many songs did you do for history?
Speaker 5: From Blood on the dance Floor? They don't care about
Speaker 5: us too bad this time around. Probably a couple of
Speaker 5: other ones.
Speaker 1: But I'm at the ones that are somewhere in the vaults,
Speaker 1: Like it's.
Speaker 5: A couple of them in the vaults, just tracks. Yeah really,
Speaker 5: But what's crazy is I got him. I still got
Speaker 5: his beatboxing because he would beat boxing to the thing
Speaker 5: to show you what he wanted to boom. Okay, sample that,
Speaker 5: So I.
Speaker 1: Got discussion now, Okay, I'm so glad that the cameras
Speaker 1: are here. But here's the deal.
Speaker 4: Now, at the time, it is probably the first time
Speaker 4: that I'm a little lukewarm on a Michael record, because
Speaker 4: every album Michael Jackson is like a goddamn event, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm a diehard fan to the end, but you know,
Speaker 4: I also understand that he's probably been working on it
Speaker 4: for some time and too bad. Just I finally warmed
Speaker 4: up to it maybe three years ago because I initially
Speaker 4: thought jam and Lewis did it. But the thing that
Speaker 4: always killed, like, I know Michael is a dancer, and
Speaker 4: I know he wants an audio accountability aboutever his bones move,
Speaker 4: so the particular rhythm, and too bad, which is.
Speaker 5: Like I can they tell you, They'll tell you that
Speaker 5: he doesn't want the same thing. I want to do
Speaker 5: something different.
Speaker 1: And so the thing is is that.
Speaker 4: History is not a bad record, and this is and
Speaker 4: this is why I applaud what Beyonce did because you know,
Speaker 4: I heard a record in the car, I heard her
Speaker 4: record on her headphones, on my computer, whatever. But when
Speaker 4: I went to the night club and they played it
Speaker 4: three times the second time, I was like, let me
Speaker 4: not stand next to them and go on the other
Speaker 4: side and see how people reacted to it. They played
Speaker 4: the entire record, and she achieved something that I know
Speaker 4: that Michael's been dying to do, which is cannot put
Speaker 4: a record on that's high adrenaline that lasts from beginning
Speaker 4: to end. She managed to do it because she managed
Speaker 4: the highs and the lows part, which for Michael Jackson
Speaker 4: always felt like every song has to be adrenaline, has
Speaker 4: to be adrenaline, not dynamic. So yeah, by the time
Speaker 4: you get to the seventh song, you're already worn out
Speaker 4: because it's not like anything's executed bad or whatever, but
Speaker 4: just in one full setting, it's like four grod like
Speaker 4: he's stuffing you with And by the time I got
Speaker 4: you know, I just I heard too bad on its own.
Speaker 4: And but the thing is is that the rhythm of
Speaker 4: that song can only be for a person that walks
Speaker 4: like Michael Dan. How do you craft something with Michael
Speaker 4: Jackson if you're not a band playing it.
Speaker 5: Like like he does all that, He'll be in there
Speaker 5: with what you're doing. The This is how I wanted
Speaker 5: to feel it. I wanted to and he said, amos sticks,
Speaker 5: amos sticks, take it. But his his, you know, I
Speaker 5: think like anything else though. His when I first worked
Speaker 5: with Michael was like with Bruce Swedeine and them. And
Speaker 5: then I said, well, you know what, this is really
Speaker 5: my vibe. So I left went back home.
Speaker 1: When I came back, you were allowed that's the one
Speaker 1: person he walked away from.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I was just like it was too much going. Like,
Speaker 5: you know, Bruce Swotine and Renee Moore was working with him,
Speaker 5: and it was kind of like yeah, and they had
Speaker 5: their own little things going on. You know, the project's huge,
Speaker 5: so they got their own little side. Energy was not good,
Speaker 5: you know. So I left went home. Michael called me
Speaker 5: back and like, Dallas, why did you leave? I was like, well,
Speaker 5: you know, I was at the studio with those guys
Speaker 5: and I'm not really going to be a part of
Speaker 5: what's going on over there. And he said, oh no, no,
Speaker 5: we'll come back and work over here with me at
Speaker 5: this studio. I'm in the studio here and then Jimmy
Speaker 5: jam and it was here. Oh yeah, that's why I
Speaker 5: want to be. So I come back and I walk
Speaker 5: in the room and Jimmy jam is in there and
Speaker 5: he's playing and I see him and I just fanned out.
Speaker 5: I was just like, Jimmy, jim Man, you don't understand
Speaker 5: what if you wanted how to play keyboards whatever, you
Speaker 5: was a little The first meet him, I'd seen him
Speaker 5: like before the first time I met it was at
Speaker 5: flight time when they when they had Rhythm Nation, the
Speaker 5: Rhythmation premiere of it, and I got so depressed. I
Speaker 5: just wanted to kill myself. I was like, I went
Speaker 5: to Flight Time they had they was showing the Knowledge
Speaker 5: videos and the whole Rhythm Nation in eighteen fourteen thing,
Speaker 5: and I was just outside, just like crying. Was like,
Speaker 5: I'm never gonna be this good. This is awful. I
Speaker 5: don't know. That's that's when I did I want to
Speaker 5: tell CP record. I was like, gotta make it where
Speaker 5: you can see it. It's a little more vivid, you know.
Speaker 5: So when I saw him with Michael, I was just like, yo, man,
Speaker 5: he had to be like this is Michael was like
Speaker 5: Michael hey man, Jimmy jam so and I felt like
Speaker 5: Michael didn't get enough energy from me that time. So
Speaker 5: he and then he played Scream and I was just like,
Speaker 5: I go again, God damn, what out that just here?
Speaker 5: He's like, and I was like, okay, now how am
Speaker 5: I going to? What am I going to do now?
Speaker 5: Like because this ship just sounds crazy, you know. And
Speaker 5: then it's Jimmy jam Tey Lewis doing Michael Jackson. So
Speaker 5: it was like I was just kinda loss for it.
Speaker 5: So then he took me, and it took us in
Speaker 5: this room after a while, and like, you know, a
Speaker 5: room where you have all your like Teddy Bears and
Speaker 5: your you know, if you're gonna be in the studio
Speaker 5: for a long time, it's like your room. You're a
Speaker 5: loud Yeah, And this dude just start putting it in
Speaker 5: tapes like he's like, so, so this is when I
Speaker 5: was like, you know, there's three hundred thousand people outside
Speaker 5: and three hundred thousand people inside, and you know, and
Speaker 5: and so you see.
Speaker 1: Him chat Michael Mike, he carries on the highlight.
Speaker 5: After he took that out, he's like, oh ship. Then
Speaker 5: he put in another one, and this is when boom,
Speaker 5: you're looking at it and it's Africa, Michael Michael. That's
Speaker 5: all they could say. And he's I was building hospitals
Speaker 5: and and this is me with Charlie Chap. So every
Speaker 5: time he's sticking another tape, I stopped being scared to
Speaker 5: look at him because I'm like, that's that mother. You know,
Speaker 5: it's working, you know what I'm saying. And the last
Speaker 5: one he put in was that I don't know if
Speaker 5: you've seen this before, but it was him sitting at
Speaker 5: the piano and he's singing I'll be there, and he
Speaker 5: has a tank top on and it's like doing the
Speaker 5: like remember the time kind of phase right right, and
Speaker 5: then he keeps seeing Little Michael saying I'll be there,
Speaker 5: and he's in the doorway. He looks back and Little
Speaker 5: Michael is in the the Pepsi commercial, a Pepsi commercial,
Speaker 5: but at that time he shot it as a like
Speaker 5: he would shoot commercials like that as demos and then
Speaker 5: wouldn't even.
Speaker 1: Use him what like, he shot that on his own
Speaker 1: and sold it to Pepsi.
Speaker 5: Yeah what.
Speaker 6: Wow?
Speaker 5: And I said something like isn't it good to be great?
Speaker 5: Or something on it doing the project. He was just so,
Speaker 5: you know, adamant about being parent, was paranoid in a
Speaker 5: different way because that's the history record, you know.
Speaker 4: I was going to ask about they don't care about us?
Speaker 4: And also this time around, were you there for when
Speaker 4: they tracked Big Vocal?
Speaker 5: Yeah, being Big is sitting in the car outside Larabie.
Speaker 5: I called Puff and I was like, yo. First I
Speaker 5: asked Michael. He said, one rapper for this song on
Speaker 5: Somebody that's really street, you know, So what about Naughty
Speaker 5: by Nature? I need somebody harder. I said, oh okay.
Speaker 5: So I said all right, well, well well Biggie yeah yeah,
Speaker 5: you know you know him say yeah. So I called
Speaker 5: puff I said, yeah, bigg out of work with this
Speaker 5: Michael Jackson record with me, Like yeah yeah, now, so
Speaker 5: big he comes out me and him sitting in the
Speaker 5: cars smoking and playing a song went over again, and
Speaker 5: He's just like, yo, I can't believe him sitting in
Speaker 5: the car with you bro writing on. So Michael Jackson said,
Speaker 5: this is crazy. It's just like you know, And so
Speaker 5: he's writing around. So after finished, he says it to
Speaker 5: me and I'm like, oh no, that might be too hard.
Speaker 5: He's like making a prophet. G I'm kill a motherfucker.
Speaker 5: I ain't joking. Then those smoke got me talken like.
Speaker 5: So I was like, all right, well, let's just go
Speaker 5: play it for him, but I don't know Mike about
Speaker 5: to tone down something. Oh no, right. As soon as
Speaker 5: he played it, Michael's like, I love it. That's exactly
Speaker 5: what I wanted to say.
Speaker 4: What I want to know is because you know, at
Speaker 4: the time, you know, Tom Sneedting was on it was
Speaker 4: it on his ass, So I know that Mike was
Speaker 4: was riding the razor of well to just situation, you know,
Speaker 4: changing his name around and all that ship was there
Speaker 4: anyone that was in the room. That's sort of like, hey, dog,
Speaker 4: you shouldn't talk ship.
Speaker 5: Well, dude, you realize this. During that time he was
Speaker 5: the most you know, sought out the person on the planet. Remember,
Speaker 5: the plane kept landing in different places, so he said,
Speaker 5: he said, it's a Dallas. This was horrible. You know,
Speaker 5: they are you know, he said, the plane was landing
Speaker 5: in different places and taking off, and they're looking for me,
Speaker 5: and I'm sitting in the hotel room in Russia looking
Speaker 5: at it. The Russian government hit him and that's when
Speaker 5: he rote stranger Monscow. He's watching it on TV. The
Speaker 5: planes keep taking off and landing, but he's in the
Speaker 5: KGB is after me. He's writing the song, watching this
Speaker 5: happening with the whole world is looking for him, and
Speaker 5: Russia's hiding him. Right. So by the time he comes
Speaker 5: up from all of this, his history record was to
Speaker 5: like show everybody. So the first thing he did was
Speaker 5: he went and got the whole Brazilian army. So when
Speaker 5: you look at the history trail again and I was
Speaker 5: wondering why he told us to do this. He sent
Speaker 5: us to the Museum of Tolerance. You ever been there
Speaker 5: on Pico and walked past it, I didn't know what
Speaker 5: was in there. Place is fucked up. So because you
Speaker 5: go in there and it's the Museum of Tolerance, it
Speaker 5: tells you, you know, when you walk through, when you
Speaker 5: first get in, and start calling you names like spig, nigger, cracker,
Speaker 5: white boy. Yeah, And then it shows you what happened
Speaker 5: to all these different races, like you know the kids
Speaker 5: and Africa kids, and you know Atlanta where they spreading
Speaker 5: the kids with the water holes and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So you're going through this whole place and at the
Speaker 5: end that you're in the gas chamber in the Holocaust,
Speaker 5: and by the time you get out of that place,
Speaker 5: you just like everybody's looking at each other all fucked
Speaker 5: up because you didn't know that this race did it.
Speaker 5: That people are crying, you know, and so I'm like,
Speaker 5: why did he make us go see that? So I
Speaker 5: get back and he's takeing the film that they show
Speaker 5: in there is the is the Hitler film, and he's
Speaker 5: got the army and then marching past these like these
Speaker 5: pillars and then you see a little dog and then
Speaker 5: you see the army marching more and then when Hitler
Speaker 5: gets to the top, the flags come down. Right. So Michael,
Speaker 5: they make the same film History, right. Okay, so if
Speaker 5: you look at the History trailer, now I got it.
Speaker 5: He got the whole Brazilian army. He went to just say, hey,
Speaker 5: can we shoot the thing with the whole Brazilion army goles. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we'll be in your trailer for your new album. So
Speaker 5: their marching, their marching, They got a little dog come
Speaker 5: around just like the thing and then the flags come down.
Speaker 5: It's the same thing. Then he had the silver statue
Speaker 5: with the helicopters flyer right. So yeah, so when when
Speaker 5: he started going at Tommy right and start going at
Speaker 5: Sony and all that, the first thing they said was, okay,
Speaker 5: well you said caike me, and they don't care about us.
Speaker 5: Take those records off the shelf. So they took all
Speaker 5: the History records off the shlf. Remember that, right, because
Speaker 5: he said kike me. But then it wasn't just kike me.
Speaker 5: He had the whole He did the whole Hitler thing.
Speaker 5: He mimiced the Hitler video. So they started coming to
Speaker 5: him hard then going you know, and for him.
Speaker 4: So for reference in case our audience is a little confused,
Speaker 4: like he's basically going down the list of everyone in
Speaker 4: history that's been disparaged and spit on it whatever.
Speaker 1: But again taking out of context.
Speaker 5: Yep. Uh, you know he never saw that one coming either,
Speaker 5: because that's both.
Speaker 4: Versions of the records where both references are on. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel like the blackballing of him started really when.
Speaker 5: It started them, and it started with the war with
Speaker 5: him and like Sony and then a t V and
Speaker 5: then it just started that whole member. Then he's going
Speaker 5: down to he's going down to New York City with
Speaker 5: Al sharping and the red.
Speaker 2: Busses and the videos of him with the f O
Speaker 2: I coming out.
Speaker 5: In the video with him when he said, you know,
Speaker 5: I had to help Mariah out a little bit, remember
Speaker 5: that press the press conference, she had to come crowd
Speaker 5: my shoulder a little bit. Turned came out, I'm like
Speaker 5: and and his voice got deeper when he said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jacksons, Yeah he's from Indiana.
Speaker 5: He was. And then at that point, but what's crazy
Speaker 5: is he would say like you know, he would broadcast itself,
Speaker 5: like you know, when he when he had the shirt on,
Speaker 5: he broadcast itself, the Red Shirt, and he saying, I've
Speaker 5: been humiliated. I've been they you know, they've checked my house,
Speaker 5: they checked my private parts. All this. He took a
Speaker 5: satellite to Netherlands and broadcasted that hisself and then said, okay,
Speaker 5: y'all can tap into this. He's like so because he
Speaker 5: was saying, Dallas, if I go to their networks and
Speaker 5: do it, they're gonna cut up my words and they're
Speaker 5: gonna make it say what they want me to say.
Speaker 5: So he told them, Okay, anybody want to know what
Speaker 5: I got to say, y'all seven o'clock, you can call
Speaker 5: into my satellite. And that's what was the first. He
Speaker 5: had relationships with people that the most countries didn't have.
Speaker 5: Like you can go into any country and they're gonna
Speaker 5: love Michael Jackson. They might hate our president, they might
Speaker 5: hate the government. So all different presidents all around the
Speaker 5: world love him. And when we were at the studio
Speaker 5: one day, he said, Dallas, I did a hospital in Africa.
Speaker 5: But look what the United States did. They put on
Speaker 5: the govern that Michael Jackson thinks Africa stinks. Because he's
Speaker 5: holding his nose and he said, this is what I'm
Speaker 5: talking about. This is what I'm talking about. Look at this,
Speaker 5: So people are going to come by the day from
Speaker 5: the studio just to thank me whatever, dude, it looked
Speaker 5: like coming to America. They came in with the rose petals,
Speaker 5: they came in with the giant lion heads and gold,
Speaker 5: and there was a King clean of some point in
Speaker 5: Africa's coming to thank him for the hospitals and what
Speaker 5: he had done. And you know, so when you have
Speaker 5: that kind of like influence around everybody, when you get
Speaker 5: on somebody's bastard, then it just you gotta watch out
Speaker 5: for everybody, right, You don't know who's coming at you.
Speaker 5: That kind of power don't exist, no one, Oh no, no,
Speaker 5: he's the last of that one.
Speaker 4: Okay, just as a fan and as a person that
Speaker 4: had an immense crush dog man, what happened.
Speaker 1: With for real?
Speaker 5: I love they was so dope?
Speaker 4: Yeap wait side story. So maybe the second time I
Speaker 4: went to La I was supposed to meet them, like
Speaker 4: four beautiful sisters.
Speaker 5: They all had close cropt.
Speaker 1: Right sexy at ship. They couldn't make it.
Speaker 4: And I happened to be across the street at a
Speaker 4: restaurant like a health food thing, and that's how I
Speaker 4: met the Jazzy Fat Nasties just then wound up moving
Speaker 4: in my crib and all that stuff. But my intention
Speaker 4: was like to sort of bring for Real.
Speaker 2: Into like a couple different bodies.
Speaker 4: They came out like you produced this joining us like
Speaker 4: straight sixties on the Amy Winehouse tip and all that stuff, and.
Speaker 1: They all had short they were like the original like.
Speaker 2: Before it was yeah, no, no, they all were different.
Speaker 1: I remember this, you know, but it's weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it's weird because like I was looking to
Speaker 4: like team up with them. There there was a group
Speaker 4: called for Real. There was another group called I Think
Speaker 4: step Brother, Ye, I'll be Dan, you know round Like
Speaker 4: they were like the singing far side. Like I thought, okay,
Speaker 4: let me collect them and then I'll make a crew whatever.
Speaker 4: But step child, step child, yeah, step child, but yeah,
Speaker 4: but for real.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: She ended up ended up marrying David Gates, who was
Speaker 5: my right hand man at Rowdy all those years, and
Speaker 5: then they even having children and then just going on
Speaker 5: with life.
Speaker 4: I remember seeing some of their names on like Stevie
Speaker 4: Wonder record, so he would occasionally have him sing background.
Speaker 4: But I always wanted to know what happened with them, man, Like,
Speaker 4: what was the reason for your two labels? You had
Speaker 4: Rowdy and you had.
Speaker 5: God the label limp rowdy or like Limp. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: had Limp and I just because it was supposed to
Speaker 5: be like the things that were slightly different. So yeah,
Speaker 5: and then Cloud was giving me junk about Rowdy at
Speaker 5: the time, you know, because I wanted to keep it
Speaker 5: rowdy and not. I didn't even I didn't want to
Speaker 5: sign that like Monica. I didn't think it was rowdy,
Speaker 5: but I had Why wasn't she on rowdy? Well she
Speaker 5: was on rowdy, That's what I'm saying. But I had
Speaker 5: to remember seeing on the face or she was on rowdy.
Speaker 5: But I had to end up signing her because of
Speaker 5: all the other deaths, so Fishbone and other stuff like that,
Speaker 5: you know, And so I said, let me just go
Speaker 5: do what another do, and so we end up signed
Speaker 5: Monica there. But it was always the kind of offset,
Speaker 5: you know, having a different brand in different places of
Speaker 5: the type of music making.
Speaker 2: Is she one of your artists that you're always make music?
Speaker 5: I love Monica, She's I wanted. Monica's like my daughter.
Speaker 5: She's always been my like, Yeah, she's she's got the
Speaker 5: same team around her that's been around her since we
Speaker 5: signed her.
Speaker 2: Oh good, so when we come back we can get
Speaker 2: her because.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, she's the same Melinda and Mom and she's
Speaker 5: the most thing about Moa is that she grew into
Speaker 5: the songs that she got older because the songs were
Speaker 5: so grown, so singing well I love you so much
Speaker 5: now makes sense. It's like you hear people singing in
Speaker 5: the audience, You're.
Speaker 2: Like, and when she sings it now, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: she feeling it different.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's a whole different story.
Speaker 2: Now she sounds so great.
Speaker 1: Still, What was the for for just one of them days? Backseat?
Speaker 5: Ll Yeah, dude, that's what me and Clive got into
Speaker 5: it about. That's when I was gonna leave Arista because
Speaker 5: I turned in, don't take it personal, and he's just like,
Speaker 5: oh man needs a bridge. Was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: she's fourteen. She's singing over the back seat of the jeep,
Speaker 5: just one of them days. Don't take it personal. It's ignorant.
Speaker 5: It's supposed to be like that because they was trying
Speaker 5: to say them days And I'm like, did you know how.
Speaker 2: We would affiliate that with something biological or or did
Speaker 2: you just.
Speaker 5: It's just one of them days and it's gonna be,
Speaker 5: you know. And for her when I first when I
Speaker 5: first saw one, because she would always come in she
Speaker 5: had his little green brow gold rings on and a
Speaker 5: little sweatsuit with a bunch of little bitty chains on,
Speaker 5: like you know all the ghetto girls look and back then.
Speaker 5: And she would come in and she was saying the
Speaker 5: greatest love of All and she'd be like, okay, am
Speaker 5: I done? And then she's gone by the business. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 5: this attitude is bigger than us singing. It's crazy. So
Speaker 5: I kept telling Clive and them, they kept trying to
Speaker 5: come with these dying warren and all that. So not yet,
Speaker 5: It's not time. You got to sell this attitude. Like
Speaker 5: she's d from what's happening. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: She's always in grown folks business.
Speaker 3: And she always like anthem. So yeah, he was like,
Speaker 3: I don't take a person one.
Speaker 5: I'm so proud of what she's grown into just as
Speaker 5: a mother and a person period. You know, she's she
Speaker 5: got to always had her head on straight, always been
Speaker 5: just like the best.
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you have yet to do? Is
Speaker 1: there anything left on the bucket list.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean what I'm doing now is having having
Speaker 5: my own distribution company dad wow. And over the course
Speaker 5: of the pandemic, I just dove really hard into my
Speaker 5: distribution company because I want to make a difference in
Speaker 5: the way stuff is distributed, because you're making no money.
Speaker 5: So luckily blockchain came along, and now I have a
Speaker 5: protocol that I launched in November will allow you to
Speaker 5: choose your own streaming rates. So you can choose your
Speaker 5: own streaming rate on music. You can stream for ten dollars,
Speaker 5: ten cent, two cent, you can stream for a year,
Speaker 5: five months, forever, it's up to you. You can sell
Speaker 5: it as an artist, as an artist for all your content.
Speaker 5: And I'm implementing it not just on my platform, but
Speaker 5: in other platforms like Amazon, Like I want everybody to
Speaker 5: use it, because that's how we're going to change the
Speaker 5: course of how the industry is at this point. You know,
Speaker 5: Spotify and all those blanket license and the blanket license
Speaker 5: trip is over. That was a band aid in the
Speaker 5: first place. Like, you can't blanket license all of us
Speaker 5: because that means that nobody's gonna make no money. So
Speaker 5: you got people well, I can see people with three
Speaker 5: four five million streets, ten million streams, and you're still
Speaker 5: not really making no money. So you know the next
Speaker 5: step is when we launched this is to you know
Speaker 5: this dope. I saw Meek mil tweed about it one day.
Speaker 5: He's like, man, as soon as somebody made this direct
Speaker 5: consumer to artists, you know, we already got it. Just launching.
Speaker 5: You can go to for your Apple, pay your Google,
Speaker 5: pay up to fifty contracts on one song, so all
Speaker 5: of us. Yeah, and it comes to you instantly to everybody.
Speaker 3: What's crazy is my auntie brain was like, you know,
Speaker 3: when you hear distribution, it was such it used to
Speaker 3: be such a physical word, right, it's changed physical nothing.
Speaker 5: User generated content killed that. Soldier boy killed that all
Speaker 5: because the manage you can make it in the Mac
Speaker 5: and then distributed to your myndspace or Facebook or whatever
Speaker 5: it was that was that ended up being distribution. So
Speaker 5: it took away all the trucks and machines and brick
Speaker 5: and mortar stores and warehouses and all that. And you know,
Speaker 5: we distributed over two hundred DSPs.
Speaker 3: So like because back in the day, a person, a
Speaker 3: person like you saying I have a distribution company, that
Speaker 3: it was no such thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is the dream. This is why people
Speaker 2: went to labels because they had no distribution.
Speaker 5: So I'm just like, yeah, I love it because I
Speaker 5: see people signed up from around the world Children's books Cube,
Speaker 5: but Canada, everywhere. It's just all kinds of stuff. And
Speaker 5: so because of my music person, I don't really the
Speaker 5: volume is one thing. The most distribution companies about how
Speaker 5: much volume can we get because that's how they make money,
Speaker 5: And I'm about, like, no, who's really dope. So I'm like,
Speaker 5: you see me on Sundays just scrolling through my backside
Speaker 5: looking at labels, looking at what they got, clicking in
Speaker 5: who is this? What music is it? And I have
Speaker 5: to say, we don't. I haven't seen a lot of
Speaker 5: badass like music that would come through that, like it's
Speaker 5: a dy you can little up at home. But I
Speaker 5: think they're trying to live up to the standard of
Speaker 5: my song, right, No, my brand in a way, and
Speaker 5: it's really good music that comes. So I'm like, we
Speaker 5: got to help these people out.
Speaker 2: Are you pissing off the labels?
Speaker 5: Not yet? Okay, soon comes we're going to disrupt that process.
Speaker 5: That process is old. You have things for future, and
Speaker 5: you can't think of how they did it or done
Speaker 5: and all that is just done already. You know.
Speaker 6: One last, one, last question about just two songwriters that
Speaker 6: I've never really talked to anyone that like knew Arnold Hennings.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, this is crazy. I asked for everybody to
Speaker 5: just call them my phone.
Speaker 1: Oh that was outside like and uh and also dev Killings.
Speaker 5: That was like the best kept Atlanta secret. She's she
Speaker 5: She sung on every song I've ever done from like
Speaker 5: all the backgrounds on Creep or what about Your Friends,
Speaker 5: or like all the Outcast records, and she's an amazing based.
Speaker 1: Her bass player was like, she's a base player. ND
Speaker 1: he didn't cut it.
Speaker 6: He didn't cup it once twelve, but he also did
Speaker 6: take our time. I thought that was you for the
Speaker 6: loss on the TLC.
Speaker 5: Hennings was a dope man. It's like one of the
Speaker 5: things I did when I came in the game is
Speaker 5: like I bought producers together to try to give them
Speaker 5: the opportunity I wish I had, you know, instead of
Speaker 5: me getting ripped off of and work for higher contracts
Speaker 5: or whatever. I was like, well, let me just find
Speaker 5: people that are dope and then give them the same opportunity,
Speaker 5: but make it where they gonna make their money, you know,
Speaker 5: so on him and timbabw Wan want to be you
Speaker 5: know way out here. Yeah, bro, so we just love
Speaker 5: music like that, and I just want to make it
Speaker 5: where I feel bad when I feel glad that I
Speaker 5: came up in the era where we made money. But
Speaker 5: now it's just you know, it's shady. It's sixty thousand
Speaker 5: records going out out there and it's not enough. It's
Speaker 5: just not enough money in that blanket license to pay everybody.
Speaker 1: Okay, why didn't Silly Hope.
Speaker 4: Like I wanted it just because I'm serious, Because it
Speaker 4: was like it should have had a video.
Speaker 1: It sounded so industrial, like I felt like Rhythm Nation
Speaker 1: meets like Yes and all that shit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fan Mail was one of my favorite albums I
Speaker 5: did because it was just the concept along when Lisa
Speaker 5: first came in. When she goes, yeah, I got a concept.
Speaker 5: It's called fan mail, and we can put all the
Speaker 5: artist names on the back that that the senters letters
Speaker 5: from the fire and all this. I said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's brilliant. I can hear that already. I know what
Speaker 5: to do. And then she goes yeah, and then the
Speaker 5: rest of it's called fan tc dot com. And I said,
Speaker 5: what is that? Well, you know, we could be playing
Speaker 5: with ourselves and doing this and that. Oh what's interesting
Speaker 5: is the first only fans. She it was what only
Speaker 5: fans is now? Back then, of course me and all
Speaker 5: the rest of the girls like, are you crazy. You know,
Speaker 5: She's like, look Ki, I'm doing it, and this person
Speaker 5: doing it, we gotta be like. And so then because
Speaker 5: me and the girls were like, no, we can't come
Speaker 5: off waterfalls and you guys are having you know, people
Speaker 5: play play with yourself and keep your money. And then
Speaker 5: she goes, okay, well I quit.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's what she quit.
Speaker 5: That's when she quit the second time. So she quit
Speaker 5: right at the beginning of fan mail, and so then
Speaker 5: I had to like, so all the created virtual Viki.
Speaker 5: I had to go to my computer and take the voices,
Speaker 5: sample each word and make them rap that you know
Speaker 5: you can't get with this one not you just go
Speaker 5: and find give it up the rhythm. So you had
Speaker 5: to put it on the keys to make it have rhythm.
Speaker 5: Because she quit and we have rapper, So I said,
Speaker 5: we create a rapper and we created the virtual Viki character. Right,
Speaker 5: So at the beginning, she goes, welcome, we dead had
Speaker 5: this album. To everybody that sent us fan mail, that's
Speaker 5: computer talking just like you. I get lonely too, that's computer.
Speaker 5: The silly Hole rap all the way up to the whole.
Speaker 1: Created I'm a sucker. Don't you go ahead and ask
Speaker 1: that question?
Speaker 5: Yeah, she wasn't, And so we did Silly Hole. We had,
Speaker 5: we had the album done, but we didn't have no scrubs,
Speaker 5: and so I heard I went over to Tricky and
Speaker 5: Shakespeare because I had them working on I had Shake
Speaker 5: and Tricky working on the JT money stuff for me
Speaker 5: at the time, like who that. So when I went
Speaker 5: to check on that, they played me no scrubs. It
Speaker 5: was for Candy and Tiny and I was like, give
Speaker 5: me that song for TLC. I make it the single,
Speaker 5: silly Hold. It just rolled out as like a pre
Speaker 5: It was like all that TB Gangster. But I'm like,
Speaker 5: if you give me that song, I'll put chili on
Speaker 5: the verses, which we haven't done before, and then this
Speaker 5: will be the single. They said, you guarantee it. I
Speaker 5: guarantee you give me that song would make it the single.
Speaker 5: And so then because no scrubb came in last like that.
Speaker 2: So wait, tiny and lower, how to get Candy? Tiny
Speaker 2: and Candy not pissed at all?
Speaker 1: Did they understand that?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, it was because they wrote it, That's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. They were didn't have to sing.
Speaker 5: Oh no, they wrote it, and then that took That's
Speaker 5: what made Candy take off. After no scrubs, then Bugaboo
Speaker 5: and Destiny, all that stuff started to come ahund in Shakespeare.
Speaker 1: So that was like, you know, remember that is trying
Speaker 1: doing anything musically.
Speaker 5: Now was doing music. He's doing his own How was
Speaker 5: he now twenty five?
Speaker 4: God?
Speaker 1: Sorry, I can't even imagine trying trying. Oh yeah, making.
Speaker 4: We've been waiting for this. This is way beyond Yeah
Speaker 4: we expected. I don't think she's going to come with stories.
Speaker 5: And oh man, I'm walking stories all my life. Bro
Speaker 5: I worked with So I've been blessed to work with
Speaker 5: so many people.
Speaker 2: That the next movies will be just saying, Dallas.
Speaker 5: I got a couple of them coming up now.
Speaker 4: Okay, well yeah from Sugar Steven like and Fan Takelo
Speaker 4: and Unpaid.
Speaker 1: Bill, the Great Dallas Austin, thank you, thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you for music.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it, it was awesome and uh we will
Speaker 4: see you next time of course, Love Supreme check it
Speaker 4: all later.
Speaker 5: H H.
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