WEBVTT - Father Dearest w/ Eric Close 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.160 Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.960 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:09.000 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:43.480 These are our stories, done done. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:32.880 Yay, that's messed up. In SVU podcast, I'm Liza Trigger. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.120 And I am Kara Klank and we are here to 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:43.800 talk SVU true crime guests, interviews, random crap from the internet, 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.080 things going on in our lives. And here we are. 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:46.520 We're back. 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:48.000 We're in a little This is a little bit of 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.720 a time machine episode because when this episode comes out, 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.319 I'll have just come back from spring break, which is 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.240 something I have to engage in because I have my kids. 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:03.000 But it's spring break maybe, And what are you doing? Well, 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.880 I'm going this week. This tomorrow, i leave actually for Boston, 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:09.840 and then I'm going to New Hampshire to do my 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:15.679 yearly camp Girls Weekend in New Hampshire, and then I'm 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.440 gonna come to New York for a night and then 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.039 I'm gonna fly to North Carolina where Jared will meet 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:22.680 me with the kids. And so he's flying alone with 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.240 the kids for the first time. So prayers, prayers up 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.480 to him he'll be fine. They're way better. They just 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.080 watch TV now. But then we'll be in North Carolina. 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:32.080 We're gonna be in Raleigh. 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:37.200 What are their drinks in the air? What are their drinks? 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:37.480 Yeah? 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.800 Like, what do they like to get at the beverage car? 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.120 At the kids? They just get. They don't get anything. 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.120 They don't get an apple juice, ginger ail, nothing, they don't. 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:47.200 They don't get. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:51.440 They don't drink soda, so they I'll get them water 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.520 if they need water, but I don't give them apple juice. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:58.200 They'll spill it everywhere. They're too young. When they're a 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.080 little older, they can fuck around with the drink cart truly, 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:01.880 like shocks. 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.160 Oscar will spell it all over himself, like it's just 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:07.880 I can't do. That's a rest. That's a huge risk. 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.079 And honestly, I've gotten them the bisk off and they're 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:11.880 not huge fans. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.680 I've gotten them the cuckie thing. Don't give me the cheese, 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.680 It's give me the breath right now. That have Albone's 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.040 fucking gummy bears better than they're weird vegan things they had. 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.200 I fucking shout out Delta for those gummy bears. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.800 Okay, and I don't even eat them on the plane, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.440 but I take two or three throat in my purse 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.040 and I have a little gummy snack everywhere I go. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:29.800 It's awesome. 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.480 Oscar will love that. He's a gummy He's a gummy head. 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.120 You gotta be you gotta be sitting, you know, comfort. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.480 These are comfort snacks. Though, these are comfort stacks. 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.120 You know. I don't find my kids comfort. Come on, 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:40.000 I'm not doing that. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:40.760 They don't. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.919 They're basically a coach seat is delta one for them. 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:45.800 They can like lie down if you just recline at 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.120 two inches. But yeah, spring Break. 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.600 I saw some clip, you know, it's like mana sphere 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:53.720 time and everyone's like ride a pill and all whatever. 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:55.800 The internet and I saw like some clip and it 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.400 was oh, some guy was like, yeah, I go to 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.960 spring break man and with the girls, and the other 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:05.200 guy goes thirty two, what do you mean spring break? 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.919 It's not for you, you know, it's for the kids. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:09.560 What are you breaking from? 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.320 And I just I thought that was like really funny 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.359 where it's like, no, you're a fucking creep if you're 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.840 going to spring break to like hit on girls. 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.959 Yeah, and a grown man. It's like it's for the youth. Yeah, 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.160 it's like I'm going down to Miami for spring break? 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.200 What or like Fort Lauderdale. Oh my god, that's for 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:26.360 twenty five and under. 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:30.280 I'm telling you, I think that's another strong opinion up 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.280 top for back to back episode. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.080 Yeah, even like just after college, I don't really or 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:36.920 maybe grad school. I'm like, I don't know how you're 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:38.720 getting the time off work to go to a place 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.880 that's going to be really crowded and it's more expensive 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.400 because of the time of year that you're going. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.440 But people likes a party. I get it. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:49.760 Yeah, I guess, but the it's probably also a lot 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.440 of freaks and creeps because like I was on spring 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.680 break as a seventeen year old and there were definitely 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.880 older bro Skuys there, you know. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:03:59.720 Oh yeah, so. 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:06.680 You know, the Epstein vibes are everywhere. But but that's 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.880 not what we came here to talk about. Later, we 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:15.720 came well topping different this time it's different. Wait, you 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.479 were in Vermont. I'm going to New Hampshire this weekend. 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.400 I'm going very close to Vermont and a Vermont, but 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.599 what love Vermont? 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:28.200 I went to the d One Girls Lacrosse conference game theory. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:29.760 I played lacrosse in high school. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.240 Right, I don't know, but I assume you know, it's 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.840 a very new England thing because it's very East Coast. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:35.599 We don't have it. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.400 But it is also Native American, which I did not 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:43.680 know and was stolen, but but it was basically I 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.200 saw the bus of the opposing team in the hotel 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.599 parking lot and I go, what the fuck's going on? 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:53.120 We're going We're going the Retrievers, a Maryland team. 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:54.960 It was like US MBC or something. 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.240 I'm inventing letters, but it was the Retrievers versus the Catamounts, 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.080 which is crazy but it's some whatever. But yeah, we 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.240 ran into some well, like I guess, I kept calling 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.000 it u of M and then someone DM me and 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:08.640 was like it's UVM please. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:10.760 From like the show. 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:17.000 But it was a conference game eleven am Saturday morning 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.920 and we were and I couldn't well. I did the 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.000 classic thing where I was about to buy tickets and 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.760 Katie the comic co open for me, was like, I 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:26.840 think there'll be tickets available, like you don't have. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.120 To work at the door. Yeah, it's women's sports, it'll 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:33.600 be fine. But you actually nailed it. It's UNBC. I 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.040 mean you got the letters completely right. Oh yeah, University 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:38.200 of Maryland, Baltimore County. 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:39.000 Wow. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.640 Yes we met those parents. But I don't know what 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.720 glitched in my brain. I forgot that it was outside. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.280 Like I had my airport sweatpants and sweatshirts, so like 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.240 I had warmer clothes and I even brought a hat, 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.160 but it didn't click it would be outside. So we're approaching, 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.000 we get dropped off and I'm like, oh my god, 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:03.239 I am wearing Swiss she ankle pants, like open, like loose, 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:09.920 fake denim ankle pants and a crop top polo and 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.719 just my coat and I go, oh my god. And 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.000 then it starts snowing, hurt inning, like I mean, not it. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:21.280 I saw your stories. I was like, what's happening. Yeah. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.480 I went to support the girls and we stayed until 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.240 like fourth the fourth quarter, and then during halftime though, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.760 we snuck into the ice skating rink at UVM and 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:32.960 took a bunch of photos and I acted out scenes 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:39.279 from the show and like, yeah, hilarious, Oh my god. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.880 So I had fun at the empty ice skating rink 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:46.640 and then the girls were amazing u VM one and 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.200 we'll see where the girls conference team goes. 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.560 Okay, yeah, I hope you guys make it all the way, 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:52.800 all the way. 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.840 Amazing food, amazing crowds, like it was awesome. Wait did 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:58.839 you go to Ahead of the Wood? 0:06:59.080 --> 0:06:59.520 Of course? 0:06:59.600 --> 0:06:59.760 Yeah? 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.440 I saw bread. Yeah I saw your bread. You didn't 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:04.880 even tag it. I was like, she's a handle of 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.760 the wood. We've never gone there together, have we? 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.280 We tried? We could. 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.560 I went once with Jared, but then it was it 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.880 was before the shows. What's awesome is Thursday. It's one show, 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.400 not too so. We had a nine o'clock reservation and 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.520 something that's never happened to me was our waitress went, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.440 you can't get two desserts. You really can't. It'll be 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.480 too much. I think you guys have had enough. And 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.320 we're like what. She goes, I just don't want you 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.320 to feel sick, Like how are you feeling? And we 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.360 went we're really full. She goes, just please just get one. 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.760 It's like, you, dumb bitch, I'm selling you down. So 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.480 I got. We both were like, we've never had that. 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.200 She goes, I just don't want you feeling like shit. 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.640 She's like, I just don't know if there's room for both, 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.320 but I've been dreaming about the other dessert I didn't 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.320 get and I should have said, shut up, let me 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:50.240 have it. 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.080 But you could have taken one bite and brought it home. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.160 Like I don't know, I know, I don't know what 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:55.520 I was thinking. I listened to her. 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.400 But we did have like four things I guess with 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.000 the our restaurants so fucking good. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:01.640 It's so good. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.280 And then we also went to Henry's like diner counter 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.720 so like we got cornbief, hash eggs, sausage, bisiness, gits, 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.000 gravy like breakfast potatoes with all this stuff want it like, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.120 we just had the best I fucking love Vermont. I 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.240 love going there. I love how wabas and honey. Did 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.520 I go out Friday night get blacked the fuck out? 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.320 Or was it? Yeah? I did, I really did. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:25.600 We went to JP's, we karaoke, We went to a 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.560 Middle Eastern Ali Baba's. We stay there until four in 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.280 the morning. We went to the hotel lobby. We still 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.960 didn't stop, Like I just it was a really fun trip. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.600 That's fun, so thank you to everyone that came to 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.600 the show. Is such great audience, and like the club 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:39.920 also has such good cocktails. 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.000 It's really impressive. So yeah, all around the ring club 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:44.440 are great, great people. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.920 But then I felt really cool because at the Ali 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:49.880 Baba's it was the end of the night and the 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.280 guy yelled, everyone get the fuck out, it's done, and 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.080 so we start like packing our shit up, and he goes, 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.199 not you two, I'm not yelling at you. And I mean, 0:08:58.400 --> 0:08:59.720 that was my first time there, Like. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:03.760 Like you say, or was he just not being met? 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:05.600 Like we got to be like the last people to go. 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.160 Wow, we got to like chill out, like I love 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:10.319 that I met. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.400 I met a young swiftie. I bonded with him like 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.559 at the bar. And then we also like there is 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.000 a voice of an angel singing. There was a voice 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.200 of an angel at that karaoke. We were like her 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.760 number one fans. And then her guy friend obviously is 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.160 in love with her and we tried to help them. 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.160 There was a there was a bachelorette party with a 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.160 mean bride and you can tell all her friends hated her. 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:31.400 I mean, I had the time of my life in 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:31.760 for a month. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:32.439 Wow. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.280 I was just at live band karaoke two nights ago. 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.040 Live band. Wow. 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.880 Really fine? More pressure, more pressure, Yeah, And then they 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.840 only have three hundred songs because they have to know 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.720 the song. So it's kind of good because they pick, 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.880 like it's not like people picking like totally random shit 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.199 you've never heard of. You know, it's mostly but one 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.839 girl did get up and do Fiona Apple's Criminal and 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.079 she just did not know the tune of it. But 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.000 besides that, like there was a lot of fun people 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:58.880 that went no angels. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:03.280 I wouldn't say, but I kept not knowing songs that 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:07.280 everyone knew. And Katie turns to me and goes, yeah, 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.320 you probably didn't know someone that died in Afghanistan, and 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.800 I go, that is true, and that's what's the song. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:16.640 There was just hit after hit where everyone was like 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.520 rocking out and I was like, I've never heard this. 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.559 And then when she said that, all these other guys 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.400 are like, that's it, and it's like they have all 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.200 just had tragedy because of war, and so they like 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.480 relate to these weird rock songs. And I'm just waiting 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.960 for like Pink Pony Club to arrive. You know what, 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.520 I got it, I've never heard this in my like. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.040 This is how you remind me? 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.559 Yeah, but I know that's so. But in that genre, 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.360 and but that was a that was a bigger song. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.600 I do know that song, okay, but yeah, like songs 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.720 like that. So that made me laugh. Did you sing? 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:49.000 No? 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.560 It was full. Literally when we wandered in there, it 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.440 was like, the list is pretty full, but if you 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.240 want to try, I was like, I'm not even gonna try, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:56.080 but we might go back. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.160 Oh and then someone told me to go to Artists 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.040 Baker or whatever. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:01.480 I went. 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:06.040 Whoever suggested August First. I went to August First as well. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:07.920 The best Blueberr muffin I've ever had. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.000 Oh yeah, yeah. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.240 This is a Vermont tourist guide, a Burlington, a guy 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:14.280 of Burlington. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:15.120 I always have fun. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:16.640 And the thing is like I talked to some people 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.080 after the show and they're like, you're just kidding about 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.840 loving Vermont, right, like you don't actually love it. I go, 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.560 sometimes I'm performing in a strip mall forty miles outside 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:24.000 of the town. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:25.120 I go, you don't understand. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.240 This is like, no, this is like the greatest, one 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.640 of the greatest weekends on my calendar. And I'm fine 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.839 to be in these weird towns next to a Jimmy John's. 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:35.720 You know, I'm easy at an egg white bite like 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:37.319 I am easy to entertain. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.360 I'm happy. But yeah, Vermont is definitely like No, Burlington's 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:42.120 cute as fuck. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.280 It's great. Yeah, it's so great. I can't believe you 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:46.280 went to a lacrosse game. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:46.520 Yeah. 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.160 I used to play lacrosse in high school and I 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:53.160 had a wooden stick, not the plastic wood harder. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.560 To I don't know the I mean for a while, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.640 I couldn't even see when the goals are being scored. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.000 It's a really hard. I know the ball so fast, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:00.840 it's just so many skills. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:02.880 I just so now they catch it in that little stick, 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:04.839 like I don't, I don't get it. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.280 I liked that it was up in the air versus 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:08.680 down on the ground like field hockey. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:09.360 Like when I tried to. 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.280 Play field hockey, I was like, I'm. 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.080 Like, my back is hurting. I don't like being hunched over. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:17.000 Like like you know what it's like when you when 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.560 someone like throws you something and you use like something 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.240 else to grab it. That's like what it feels like 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.520 to me, Like, Lookross, it's like or like when you're 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.520 jumping off a diving board and someone like throws you 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.199 a frisbee and you have to like jump forward to 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.200 get it. I'm always like, you're always just like trying 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:32.559 to get a ball that's like right in front of 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.680 you or up in the air, and not like you 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.200 do have to scoop it off the ground of course 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.000 plenty of times, but it's not all on the ground 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:42.480 the way field hockey is, which was not for me, but. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.040 No, but it was like glorious and like, also, no 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.480 one has better ponytails, Let's be honest. I mean, those 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.720 girls are running like the best ponytails I've ever seen. 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:54.559 Oh. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.040 Also, I'm so fucking pissitate. Didn't I tell you that? 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.200 Back Ammon's about to have a moment. Back Ammon's about 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.840 to fucking have a moment. Cult Gaya is selling a 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.440 five hundred and ninety eight dollars purse that turns into 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:05.360 a backgammon board. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.560 I can't, I can't. I'm trying to get my stylists 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:09.480 to get it for me. She's like, do you have 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.360 any events? I go, no, I go, I don't know. 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.839 You gotta get it for me, get it, you gotta 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:15.440 get this for me. 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.080 Well, I send it to the group chat and my 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.000 family goes, please don't spend your money on it. I 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:20.520 go I'm not gonna die. I'm not gonna buy it. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.240 I'm gonna try to get it for free. But backgammon clutch. 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.720 God, how does it? Does it fit? Other shit? 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:32.360 No? 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.559 You you would bring it to the backgammon game? 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:42.000 Yeah baby, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so cute. Fuck I 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.880 want it so bad. Cult Gaya do you work here? 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:46.840 Do you listen to us? 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:48.520 Cold Guia? 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.640 I've never heard of it in my life, but someone 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.920 must be connected. Must someone listening? Remember I got Taco 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.959 Bell gift cards from the podcast, Like people here are 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:57.720 doing stuff. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.120 If you know anybody at calt Gaya, we need a 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:01.080 up for this five. 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:02.640 I'm a batgammin girl. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:08.840 Yeah yeah, yeah, yuh wait did I tell you we 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.240 had the elections and I'm the PTA president next year? 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.520 No, that's crazy that you just sat on that information. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:15.360 It happened. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.280 I mean, the thing is, I can't even no one's surprised. No, 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.120 it was honestly silly. You pretended this wasn't your Like. 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.160 I thought I could put it off another year, but 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:26.000 they wouldn't let me do that. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.000 Well, you also, there's just no way that that's the 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.200 part of what you want to do. Listen to other people. 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.400 No, I was going to be the vice again. 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.560 You want you wanted it, you want to be in charge. 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.880 I'm doing Blenny has the Vice. Oh it's too much, 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.000 it's too much. So what's the new thing our people do? 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.040 They have to pledge allegiance to you, like, what kind 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:47.200 of what kind of vibrant? 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.720 I mean, I'm planning a full authoritarian government, like I'm 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.480 just going to overthrow everybody, and yeah, I'm gonna make 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.240 people's lives a living hell. So if you listen to 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.640 this podcast and some people do that, go to my school, 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.480 buckle the fuck up. I'm about to root fall. 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.160 Class is gonna be insane. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.840 Yeah, open open your trunks, motherfuckers, and we're leasing there. 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:12.240 Trunkard treat is about to pop the fuck off. But 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.600 uh no, congratulations, I mean thanks, thank you. It was 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.160 a hotly contested race. 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.280 You know, there's a Simpsons episode called The PTA Disbands. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.160 If you want to watch it, No big deal. I 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:27.120 bet I'll really relate. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:32.520 Oh my god, I think I'm gonna do something for passovers. Yes, oh, 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:36.680 like a satyr. Yeah, oh my god, I'm It's during 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.800 spring break, which is so annoying because I get invited 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.320 always it's always around me. It's actually, when we were kids, 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:42.920 it was always around my sister's birthday and she was 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.320 always fucked. But yeah, not anymore. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:51.320 Yeah, Matza for your birthday is not fun. Well let's 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.240 get started. What do you think I would love to? 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:54.960 I would love to. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.880 Yeah, this is thanks everyone for supporting us in every capacity. 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.640 Yes, this is a great episode we have for you today, 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.440 as always, come on over and see us on the Patreon, 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.800 Patreon dot com slash that's messed up. 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.720 Yeah, we're having fun on the Patreon. We're having guests. 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.160 We're we're not reading the books, but we've we're having 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:14.760 authors on. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:20.000 Yeah, chatting, chatting to the author. Babe, I'm busy. I'm 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:24.920 reading other I'm heavily perusing. I'm heavily perusing. Sometimes we 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:25.720 don't have enough time. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.520 We're gonna do some drag Race stuff soon once the season's. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.560 Uh oh yes, if you want our drag Race takes, 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.960 that's gonna be on Patreon. I'm excited because, oh I 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.240 haven't even watched it. I know, but I like a 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.440 few of these girls. I think there's really some great 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.840 stuff on there. No, I'm home for five weeks. Yeah, 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.240 I'm gonna sit on the couch. Yes, you're gonna get it. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:49.080 I'm gonna watch all of drag Race in one fucking 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.440 day while I declutter. 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:52.800 And was I was talking about it with you. I 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.080 think on this podcast about like how do you fucking 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.520 watch drag Race? Like because I got rid of my 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.240 cable and that's like I was watching it on MTV 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.000 like DVR it. I just buy it on iTunes and. 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.280 It's just there the next morning. 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.199 I just can't watch it on Fridays like when it 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.600 comes out, but it pops up first thing Saturday morning. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:11.920 That was so easy. It was like twenty dollars. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:13.480 I thought I was good to do all kinds of shit. 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.360 We're in the We're in the time machine. 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:21.040 But I'm gonna be up tonight twelve oh one am. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:25.359 The Heated Rivalry vinyl and CDs go on sale and 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.880 I'll give the soundtrack. Oh it's both. It's like soundtrack 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.280 and score. And they're they look so cool. It's like 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.880 their photos are on the discs. It's like Taylor Swift hardcore, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.600 like it is cool. There's posters in it, like they're 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.040 doing their their their numbers are on the CDs. It's doubles. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.439 It's double sets, like it's Sony Music Entertainment. Yeah, I 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.359 hope you guys got it. I'm staying up because I 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:47.720 looked up the exact time because I don't know if 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:48.879 it was gonna be ten am. But it's twelve o 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.120 one am. It says I can get it on twelve 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.440 on four eight. No, none of these people are getting 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.040 it. It's while we're recording, we're in the time machine. 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:55.680 They're not getting it. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.040 Okay, sorry guys. No, it's a pre order, and so 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.600 I that would just fine. Smart they're doing a pre order. 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:08.840 Oh so nothing will sell it, but I'm gonna be first, Okay, Okay, 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.439 I've stunned you into silence. Yeah, well I just yeah, 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.280 that's yeah, We're. 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:15.840 Yeah. 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:17.919 I don't I have no words. I have no words. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.200 You're getting all the stuff, you're getting, all the. 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:21.000 Not all of it. 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.200 I've actually had like a lot of restraints. I wish 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.000 I could like go on that brand, like you know 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.199 that website that's called like Calshie, where you can like 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.600 bet on anything, like you can bet on like the Rapture, 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.400 you can bet on like who's Trump's gonna fire next? 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.320 I wish I could like put in a bet where 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.560 and of like what your next thing is going to be? Like, 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.520 or I could like see what is the next thing 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:41.119 that you're gonna be? 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.199 Oh my god, wait put it on. 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.040 It's on the pod our listeners will remember you got 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.800 let's let's bet, Casey get in this. I don't get it. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.280 What is it called chat roulette, polymarket, let's do it? 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.880 Chat roulette? Oh my god, chat roulette. 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.760 That was just like jerk off Roulette. That was such 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.920 a crazy time. Oh my god, Oh my god. Also 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:03.880 Julio Tarres. 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:08.960 Watch it on HBO Color Theories whatever special is called. 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:14.240 It is awesome. I went to the PREMIEHBO HBO. I 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:16.560 went to the premiere at the Museum of Art and Design. 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.320 It was funny because he is vegan. There were passed 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:24.280 around animal products, but the the the fucking the food 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.959 was vegan, and I'm like, who's eating lentils at a party? 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.280 But people were, But I'm like, this is not my spread. 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.439 I got a falafel patty and put it in between 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:35.639 some pedas like people are like swooping up beans, Like 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:36.680 what the fuck's happening? 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.439 No, No, we talked about this. He's from another planet. The 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.199 food is not for you on this planet. 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:42.040 I don't think. 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.800 It's called Color Theories, and it came out March twenty seven, 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:47.760 so go check it out. 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:49.560 It really. 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.960 It's so good and fun and I'm gonna peda great 0:19:55.160 --> 0:20:00.200 he's a great man's he's a he's a unique mind. 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.800 Yeah, And it was just like awesome. I just love 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.520 the arts. I really love the arts. 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:07.560 I just remember when we were in New York and 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:09.679 Julia was like telling me about the whole process of 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.439 getting like a visa as an extraordinary artist, and I 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.480 was like, wow, it must be like really hard to 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.439 prove that you're like an extraordinary artist. And now he 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.119 is truly like one of the most extraordinary artists that 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:21.760 I think I know personally, you know, like he really 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:26.400 is not like anybody else. It's you know, like I'm 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.800 sure there's plenty of guys that are just like, yeah, 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.280 I need to tell my dick jokes. I'm extraordinary, let 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.160 me in. You know, He's like really a different kind 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.720 of comedian now. Anyway, It's really. 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:41.880 I was I laughed a lot and just so clever, 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.400 like fuck, it's cool, what cause you know, there's there's 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.119 different experiences when you see stuff and sometimes you're like, oh, 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:49.760 why didn't I Like you're mad someone came up with 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.359 it before. You're like, oh, that's such a good joke, 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.040 like I can't believe and think about it, yeah and whatever. 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:56.040 And then there's the other words like I could never 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.560 even comprehend what is anigh that. 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:00.879 A jillion dollars enough come up with this? 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:04.119 Yes, and I would say him and Natalie Paula Metis 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:08.880 both have like very cool ways of set design and 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:12.280 using the set and it constantly surprising you. 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.760 And I like that, and I like, I'm gonna watch it. 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:18.360 I got a lot of I'm gonna watch a bunch 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.520 of stand up I think this one. Yeah, we gotta 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:22.560 get into Chris Chris Fleming, because you know what, Chris 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:24.399 and we already talking about him. 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:26.680 They talked about what I can't. 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:28.479 I'm not gonna we talked about him, We've tked about him. 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:29.199 We love Chris Fleming. 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:36.840 Okay, let's let's start the episode. No no, please, that's 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:40.800 messed up Live for Liza's schedule for merch et cetera, 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:41.320 et cetera. 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.080 And now on with the episode. 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:51.240 Okay, nine one one dispatcher, we hear a kid's voice, 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:53.040 little kid named Sam, not Tommy. 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:53.720 Shocking. 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:56.680 We should be saying that Tommy is more often because 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.600 anytime I meet a Tommy, they're like, I'm a Tommy, 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:00.600 but we really are, say we have actually don't say 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:00.840 it ever. 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.480 Well, I mean I put it in our in our 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:09.600 social Sometimes I'll be like Tommy Nation and Tommy, you know, yeah, 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:13.359 rise up, Tommy's no Sam's if you're a Sam, sorry, 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:13.920 don't come up to it. 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:15.000 And I'm just kidding, Lisa. 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.919 Don't you usually introduce the title of the episode and 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:18.920 the episode number. 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.560 Listen, Casey, I don't know why that happened. I don't 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.320 know why whatever, whatever. It's episode two seventy nine. 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:26.800 I forget. 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:31.400 It's called Father Dearest, which obviously a chill down my spine. 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:35.320 Season thirteen, episode twenty May second, twenty twelve is the 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:38.800 air date. That's my niece's birthday and my friend Alex 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:44.639 Crawley's birthday. So Taurus is okay. But anyway, so a 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:47.639 kid's calling nine one one. The woman's actually nice and 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:51.920 proficient in her job. The kid's only three three and 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:54.080 a half. That's a smart kid. 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.800 Yeah, I mean, I feel bad saying this, but like 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:00.120 my kids don't know how to open my phone. 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.960 So like if I was lying there on the ground. 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:05.919 I don't like I always tell them if anything happens 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:07.880 to us, go next door and get our neighbors, because 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:10.159 they know our neighbors. But like, I don't think they 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.240 would know they know nine one one, but I don't 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:13.040 think they could use our phone. 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:15.520 And we don't have landlines anymore. But you're know, the 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:17.200 emergency calls. 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.879 Go, but I have it, but they don't know how to, like, 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.040 they don't know how to do that, right, Like even 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:23.720 in a lock screen, you got like you got to 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:24.920 get to the nine one one part. 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:26.360 You need to get a house phone. 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:28.879 I know, I know. 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:31.920 All right, well let's get positive. Let's get positive where 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:35.640 it's a good episode. It's a good horrific episode. So 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.760 he goes, Mommy is asleep, won't wake up. It's just her. 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.760 The big sister left. He's super cute, little blonde kid. 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.960 He says, my big sister was mad and the woman's 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.320 trying to locate him and she has like an area, 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.439 but since it's a cell phone, it's it's taking a 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:51.960 little bit again. Yeah, the house phones you can like 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.359 find where someone is so yeah, he has blood on 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:57.440 his hands and phone and he touches like a bloody 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:00.480 body that's on the ground, and Olivia a Marre at 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:03.920 the door. Sam opens the door, is a little mismatched pajamas. 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:07.160 He's super cute, and the mom is like fuck rags 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:10.000 all vibes, and Olivia takes Sam and he says she 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:13.200 was sleeping, and then his mom and sister started fighting 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:16.720 about a bad man taking his sister away. She comforts 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:18.800 the boy and says she's gonna and then he's gonna 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.240 be okay, and then she touches his face and it's 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:23.520 the credits, and I feel like that's really quick for 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:27.000 season thirteen. And season thirteen is like so wild to 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:31.280 watch because it is such a transitional year. Like I 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:36.240 don't know, it's really it's wild to think about. But anyways, 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:38.200 they really have the big guns. I mean, we're gonna 0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:40.240 get to the guest stars in this but like, yeah, 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:42.200 I'm trying to think of the others. I want to 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.240 look through season thirteen and be like, what did they 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:47.560 do to try to like woo the viewers besides Rowlin's 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:52.160 and Tomorrow being so hot? But you know what I mean, Yeah, 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:55.119 like I want to do a little thesis statement. Okay, 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.680 So the little boy is sleeping in the hospital, Benson's 0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:00.119 tucking him in. The dad is on the way, and 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.360 the mom is getting an MRI. So she's not dead, 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:05.680 which is huge, and there's a giant gash on her head. 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:10.160 But like the kid is under four and we can't 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:11.360 really tell him what's up. 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:12.080 This is wild. 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:13.919 But he heard his mom and sister fighting, so like 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:17.199 that's important. The dad, Jeff Avery, arrives. He is very 0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:20.359 loving towards his son. He's like, where's Kate but we 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.560 don't know, and she's only sixteen. He can't get a 0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.840 hold of her either, because she was texting at breakfast 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.320 and so he took her phone away. This is so 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.679 season thirteen. There's no fucking way that would fly today. 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.920 He would be actually murdered before anything happened that night, 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.840 and so then tomorrow turns it quick and suspicious. 0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.239 Where were you tonight? And the dad's face like, you know, 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.120 like make furrows? Is that a word? I wrote? 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:45.440 Furrows? But brow? 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:49.000 Yeah, your brows. He says he was with his sisters 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:51.760 cleaning out his mom's apartment. She died last week from cancer, 0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:53.800 so he is having like a pretty tough week. I 0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:58.639 would say, yeah, couple, this is like terrible. And then 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:01.880 he also screams, hello, my daughter is abducted. Send out 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:03.879 an ambreller, and Benson's like, well, we can't do that 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:07.400 since nobody actually saw her being taken. So poor guy, 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:10.440 his wife's unconscious daughter is missing. Mom is dead. The son, 0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.919 you know, is good, but probably traumatized. Annie's proud of 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:17.199 his young boy, so he says, maybe Angela Riva, like 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.639 her best friend from kindergarten, has information, but you know, 0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:22.800 he doesn't know if she has a boyfriend or goes 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:26.840 out later anything, but because she blocked him on all socials. 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.320 So they leave, the dad with the son, and Benson 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.600 and Amaro leave and we open up at Angela's house 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.119 and the mom is there as well, and it's with 0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:36.720 Finn and Rollins, and the mom is like, ugh, she 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.239 was our surrogate daughter. She was here every night. She 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.320 never wanted to go home. Uh oh. She told Angela 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:44.040 to stay away from her though she runs with a 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.320 bad crowd. And her friend is like, no, Mom, I 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:49.200 told you she's been different. She was at the library 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.840 every night on the computer trying to turn her grades around, 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:54.000 and then Finn and Rollins are like, Lol, that can't 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:56.600 be true. So let's go to the library. The librarian's 0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.800 a fucking real one and is like get a fucking warrant. 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:03.439 Pitch like, doesn't even try, and then Finn's like, uh, 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.080 the Patriot Act and the librarian responds, oh, is she 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:07.760 involved with terrorism now? 0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:09.840 And Rollin's threatens. 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:11.840 With the FBI and wasting half a day, and It's like, 0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:13.639 what is a librarian so busy? If I was a 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:15.480 library and I'd be like, waste my day, come back 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.600 so shiny thing? You were like what like that's like 0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:21.120 not that wouldn't be a real threat to me, I think, 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:23.280 But they do. 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:25.359 They go, we need to find this girl, and. 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.440 She's like, I just wish you cared about civil liberties 0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:29.240 and they're like we do, just like not right now, 0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.480 and then she goes, here are your terror cells information? 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:34.879 And so in the past month she read the Hunger 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:38.560 Games trilogy, okay, queen, and then two books on children 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:42.760 who were born through sperm donation. Done done. So now 0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.080 it's a walk and talk. We got munch tomorrow. Benson. 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:48.879 She's been missing fifteen hours, abducted or run away or 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:53.000 what no hits on atm no new cell phone contacts 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.800 and Finn and Rollins arrive and there with bead Wong. 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:59.520 Oh my god, surprise, surprise. So Benson gives him a 0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.959 big huh. This was like this I used for one 0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:04.760 of our trivia questions when we went on the road 0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:07.000 years ago, and so like, I loved I like that 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:08.800 we're doing this. I don't know if this means anything 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:12.080 to you guys, but so he's in town for a 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:14.320 convention and they asked if he can help out. He's 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:17.919 all smiles. Benson asked how his assignment, and he goes, 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.760 a single gay Chinese American man living in Oklahoma and 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:23.160 opposed to the death penalty. 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:26.399 It's heaven. So we love that. We love that. 0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:30.640 So we're gonna talk donor children, and he goes, it's 0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:35.000 a huge topic, but sperm banks protect donor confidentiality, but 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.879 nobody really thought about how that affects the kids in 0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:41.160 the future because it's like a newer thing and like 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:43.480 the kids can get fucked. So then Rollins finds a 0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:45.960 site where these types of people connect and Munch calls 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:50.000 them Turkey based your children, and bid Wong goes artificial 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:53.520 insemination and then okay, so that's why the mom and 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.600 daughter were probably fighting. You know, she was looking for 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.480 her roots. What is this about? And then Tomoro gets 0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:00.920 to news the mom is awake, perfect, we meet her. 0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:03.800 Her voice is so smoke or raspy. I really enjoy it. 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:07.480 She's looking good after like truly a lot of trauma. 0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:11.040 Not even a bandage, not a scar, not a bruise, 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:13.680 not a scratch, like, she looks fine. 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.320 She says she just slipped and fell. And they're like, well, 0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.280 what's what's with the bad man? She blames his imagination. 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.280 They're pushing her and they're like, you were fighting. You 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:25.760 need to tell us what it's about. So Benson's like, listen, 0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:27.960 we know she was looking for donor relatives, so if 0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.680 she knew something like you obviously know, so what's what's 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:33.960 up dramatic music? She goes, my husband can never know. 0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:38.000 Kate was conceived with donor sperm I found online and 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:40.200 I guess she was. She was going to go meet 0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:43.280 him and she's like, no, you're not going. And then 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:45.120 the daughter, Kate's like, I don't give a fuck. So 0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:47.400 that's what they thought about. And then twelve years later 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:49.600 she actually used the same sample to have her son, 0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:52.520 and Benson's like, well, how did she find out? And 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:54.520 you know, she's like, listen, I don't want my husband 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:56.560 to know. But she was making a memory book for 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.600 her grandmother going through old photo boxes. She found a 0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.920 medical card for the sperm bank and donor one for one. 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.400 So that sucks. And then they leave and of course, 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:08.000 like why do you even have to keep it again? 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.720 Why did you keep that? Why did they explain why 0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:12.920 she is not telling her husband about that? 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:18.880 Well, because maybe wanted that sperm he his sperm wasn't working, 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:20.560 or maybe she thinks he's a loser. 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:22.160 Like I don't know, Okay, I don't know. 0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:25.480 Yeah, like that that's like even more interesting. And she's like, 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.560 I'll be married to you, but like you're actually not 0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.520 really good DNA for this. No, I'm sure he was 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:32.840 shooting blanks or something like I don't know. 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:39.080 I guess I don't know. Yeah, why did I forgot? 0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:40.680 Like I just watched it, but I forgot. 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:44.840 Or she did it to trap him, maybe like she 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.600 got like he was actually careful and then she like 0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:49.440 went and did this to trap him. 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.160 But then she has kids that are twelve years apart 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:53.960 and she found the same sperms. 0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:58.600 Interesting, listen, this woman seems like a drunk, like I 0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:03.160 don't know, she just like been wasted making bad decisions. 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.400 So they leave, and of course Tomorrow hates this family 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:08.720 secret and the man not knowing because he's thinking about 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:10.800 his wife whatever, like his wife lied to him and 0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:14.080 manipulated him, and Benson goes, shut up. So we get 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:15.880 a hit on the debit card of the daughter twenty 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.800 four dollars at a Lincoln Center cafe. So we see 0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:22.000 a denim jacket, swoop bang. Girl wired headphones into her 0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.480 cell phone and she's a bright orange case. She's listening 0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:26.920 to some old timy song which doesn't seem right, and 0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:28.840 then the cops arrive. Finn and Rollins are on the 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:30.560 scene and they're like, your mom's looking for you, and 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:34.480 she starts looking around and Rollin's goes, who are you expecting, sweetie. 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.560 So we're in woodroom blinds. Benson and Rollins sit with 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:39.120 the teen, trying to get to the bottom of what 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.440 went down. She screams that she did nothing wrong, and 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:43.960 Benson's like, babe, you left your three year old brother 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.600 at home and your mom unconscious, So that tass you, 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.040 and she says she was drinking and fell. 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:50.800 That's not, you know, my fault. 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:53.080 They don't care about me and I don't care about them, 0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:54.440 and it's like, what do you mean they don't care 0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:56.960 about you? She says, they lied to me my whole life, 0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:59.080 and they're like, your dad doesn't know. Actually, keep a secret. 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:06.160 Jka mentioned keep this chill. Yeah, Benson goes, okay, but 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:08.200 you're sixteen and you were gone all night with a 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.320 man you met on the internet. And then at that moment, 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:13.720 Munch brings in the dad and he is like so 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.160 happy to see her, and she just says, oh, here 0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:18.880 to clean up another mess, dad, And then they leave 0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:22.960 and then my favorite thing happens Chinese takeout. So the 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.000 thing is like Chinese takeout for me is such a 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.680 like Sunday night or like celebratory like night time, like 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:34.000 to do a working Chinese food lunch seems wild. Maybe 0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:35.720 they're just eating fried rice, but like am I head? 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:37.640 I want orange chicken, I want an egg roll, and 0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:39.240 like that's not daytime hours for me. 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:42.520 It's just too it feels heavy to do, Like I 0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:44.640 want to lay after I eat a lot of Chinese food, 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:44.920 you know. 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.520 Yeah, and I know there's other kinds that are lighter. 0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:51.719 This is like, yeah, what they're eating, I know what 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:53.800 it is, and it's low main and I don't know 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.000 how like are they all going into the you know, 0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:58.680 bunk bedroom for a nap after? 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:02.280 I just don't get it. 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:07.280 But a work in Chinese takeout munch is really crazy, 0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:10.120 and let's do It's like, Okay, we're in advertising. 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.560 It's ten PM and we have to pull an all night. 0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.400 Or like let's fuck up our lives, like yeah, but 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:20.400 not mid investigation. It does feel like nighttime food. Yeah, 0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:22.480 it feels like we got to go through all these files. 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.280 We need this. But Craigan wants these d D fives 0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:27.280 on his desk like it's nighttime. 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:30.920 Or it's like, listen, we're gonna watch college basketball all 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:32.640 day if that's your thing. 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:33.320 You know what I mean. 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:36.480 But the playan can't be like we're going to do 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:39.000 this and solve a crime and then maybe go out 0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:42.160 on a date after. So they're looking at footage from 0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.440 the cafe and then Benson goes up to like the 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:47.040 projectory video and she's holding the takeout in her hand 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.479 and I just love it. And so then so then 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:53.600 Benson goes, this guy's clearly a professional because like they're 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.960 you know, like his back to the camera the whole time, 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.360 and then as soon as she charged the coffees, he 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:00.720 got up to leave. And Rollin's has been trolling the 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.680 sperm Donor forum and has found four other girls posting 0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:07.640 about donor. One for one Rollin's messy bun one of 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:09.719 the best I've ever seen, award worthy. I would put 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:13.120 it in the top five nominations of the whole series. 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:17.400 It's like so good. And then one girl from Baltimore writes, like, 0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.279 I went to NYC to meet my donor dad, and like, 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.920 I encourage all of you to do it. He's the best. 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.160 And I'm like, oh, it's weird. They're all girls. That's 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.960 so weird. Yeah, it's so weird. Not a boy, Okay. 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:30.920 Munch sends the men to charm City and then sends 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.600 the women detectives to the sperm bank. And they're like, 0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:35.279 you're sending us to the sperm bank. They're not gonna 0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.040 give us anything, like we don't have enough for a 0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:39.680 warrant and confidentiality, And he leans in and he goes, 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:42.839 I'm sure you two can think of something and what 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:46.799 he's thinking is lesbian roleplay. Yes, so baby, they go 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:50.160 in and as like a gay ass couple and Benson's 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:53.440 cousin use the sperm bank and their daughter Brook is 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:57.160 just lovely amazing, so they want to use the same sperm, 0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.879 share some jeans, and the woman at the bank says, 0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:02.120 like it happens all the time. So then they say 0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:04.239 Brook is seventeen, and she's like, babe, we might not 0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:06.279 have that sperm, but I'll check and it's donor one 0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.839 for one, ding ding ding. They ran out five years ago. 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.719 He was very popular. They asked to see the profile 0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.120 and she agrees. She's like, maybe we can look at 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:17.440 it and pick someone close to him. Doesn't give a fuck. 0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.279 They're acting's top notch. So we find other girls. So 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:23.600 we go see Ashley Riggs. She has bangs. Ryan Shane 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:27.360 did the pod right, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she's in 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:31.360 two other SVUS season nineteen and twenty three, and she's. 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:32.160 Been just messed up. 0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:37.080 She's a Carresi, a cares Nisi. She's niece Caresy. Oh 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.759 my god, she's niece Cresy. But this is her first 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:41.759 appearance on the show. 0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:47.160 So here it's different. 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:50.320 The mom knows they connected and vibed like they were emailing. 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:53.279 The mom's all for it, and she went with her 0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:56.520 theater group to a Memorial Day weekend school trip to NYC, 0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.080 and it just worked to meet up. And then doctor 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:02.239 Baker is a she says, but he has his own 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:05.040 family that can't know about me. But he's one of 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:09.920 the best doctors in New York ex vivo lung transplants. Okay, 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.440 he saves lives, He feels close to God when he 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.359 holds their life in his hands. Is like something that 0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:19.279 he says that she repeats, but she's like, I've only 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.280 met him that one time. And then she clearly lies 0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:24.120 because she's like, well, I just met him that one time. 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:26.880 Between Broadway shows. We saw Phanom of the Opera, and 0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:30.400 tomorrow goes, who I guess loves Broadway, tests her and 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.239 tries to catch her in a lie and brings up 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.720 a les Mis reference about going to jail for stealing 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.279 like a loaf of bread. Yeah, and she goes, I 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:40.000 loved that part. So then she goes and she has 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.759 a fucking baby. She's a teen mom dramatic music, so 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.319 everyone's very supportive. So that's going They're like who's the dad, 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:49.560 and the grandma is like, oh god, that Joey, Like fuck, 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.799 you know, he's a kid, He's shy, sickly, everyone bullies him. 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:54.239 I would have never thought I had to worry about 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.799 this loser. Baby's three months old and tomorrow uses his 0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:00.920 own tissue to steal DNA from the baby. 0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:04.640 And I love a sneak. I mean this episode of 0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:06.319 his nose, they get a little booger out of the 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:10.799 out of a I love a sneaky DNA retrieval. I 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:11.600 love a takeout. 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:15.840 I love a messy bunn, I love munch being a pervert. 0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.920 Like this episode does have everything. I feel like Stephan. 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:22.080 I feel like Stephan's the number one character and I 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.720 wouldn't even I think I've mostly watched it online. 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.520 But it does make me laugh more than anything. It's 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:29.280 the funniest character. I love Steffan. 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:32.640 Anytime you're doing a list of like three things that 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:36.240 are out of place, you're like, stuff on. Yeah, Yeah, 0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:37.200 it has everything. 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.759 So the detectives leave after they got the DNA and 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:45.359 they're like, do the math, and basically the donor dad 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.759 baby nine months later, like the donor Dade and the 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:51.720 bio daughter incest fucked, Like, I mean, the ship is fucked. 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.120 So bed Wong's like, okay, it could be a predator 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:55.040 or it could just be. 0:37:55.040 --> 0:38:05.279 Genital sorry, general sexual attraction. Genetic sexual attraction one of 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.920 our favorite topics on this podcast, which I'm. 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:09.920 Going to get into more later. I did research this. 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:11.600 I can't fucking wait. 0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:11.879 Wait. 0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.040 Who did we recently have on as a guest And 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.600 we were like, they asked about our favorite episodes and 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.000 we were like, well, the incess that she kept killing 0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:21.279 the babies and couldn't promise not And it's like, it's 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:22.319 so crazy what we did. 0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.279 But you know what fucked me up? Was it? 0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.359 It was somebody asking what's your favorite episodes? I think 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:30.359 it's the guy from this episode we talk. I think 0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:31.280 it's in this episode. 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.759 Actually, oh yeah, I think it's this episode. 0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:36.279 Yeah, you'll see who it is. 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:41.120 Okay, but I, oh, you know what fucked me up? 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.439 And I keep bringing it up and people really don't 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:44.680 like it. And I brought it up at dinner a 0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:48.640 few nights ago. Is the Green River Killer? Oh, people 0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:49.640 are don't want to hear about that. 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.960 Him bearing the bodies and bringing dates and fucking the 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.360 dates on a blanket on top of the dead body 0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:58.719 is something that it's gonna stick with me. 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.040 Yeah, I bet at a party, people are not really 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:02.759 wanting to hear that. 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:05.759 No. I was like putting a tentacle of octopus in 0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:08.319 my mouth as I was casually telling everyone about that. 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.520 There's really hard. I feel bad eating octopi. 0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.680 And then I also, I fucking I don't even remember 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:21.040 his name, but the crime I covered where he like 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.400 took the two girls to teach them a lesson and 0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:25.840 was a cop and like hung them by nooses and 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.280 raped them and he only got six months, like because 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:29.000 it was. 0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.120 Like, that's been fucked for me. 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:37.319 But the Green River killer with the blanket of it all, Yeah, yeah, 0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:39.799 because that's some sick ass shit. But that's Jimmy side 0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:42.200 because like it really reminds me of the con Air 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:46.479 Steve Bushami character where it's like, hmm, this is him 0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:48.560 a psycho killer in the movie quote this is not 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:50.800 how I feel. But he goes, oh, all the greats 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.440 they did it for passion and fun, you know, not for. 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:56.160 Need or whatever. 0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:01.279 I don't know, M Like, I guess no one knows 0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:02.839 if a date has brought them to a place where 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:04.320 they've buried a body underneath. 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:06.360 You thought you had a great picnic. 0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:10.319 He's fucking yeah, chilling out, getting a rock hard thinking 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:18.440 about the dead woman below like a nightmare. All right, 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.400 we're back. And then I wonder if Benson, munch Huang 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.920 and Finn were like, whoa wait, do you remember that 0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.680 redheaded girl who kept killing the babies and fucked her dad? 0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:29.400 Like I wonder if they reminisced off camera. 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:31.719 Yeah, they're like, we've seen this, We've seen. 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:35.400 This, like as DETECTI like they must be like remember 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:38.480 that other time, Like I've never seen that unless it's 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:40.680 like so pivotal to. 0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:44.200 The crime they're solving in that episode. 0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.440 We don't really get reflections back er chats, and I 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:49.719 would love if they were one time being like, you know, 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.040 this really reminds me of that, uh the other I 0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:54.960 don't just for us, but I guess that'd be like 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.439 alienating to some viewers. Okay, so all right whatever, blah 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.239 blah blah, we gotta find him. So obviously, I don't 0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:03.560 know what x vivo means. It reminds me of a 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:05.359 brand of paper towels, but the. 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:08.440 Ex Vivo lung transplants, it's like a technique where like, 0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:11.040 you keep a lung in a certain condition so that 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:15.880 it's in better like to be transplantable, Like I obviously 0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:18.840 just googled it, but it's like, you keep the lung 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:22.160 outside the body at normal temperature so that you can 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:27.400 recondition it before transplantation. And it significantly expands the donor 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:32.920 pool by making previously unusable or marginal lungs safer transplant. 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:37.879 So it makes lung transplants more readily available, which is good, 0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:39.959 yeah for sure. 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:45.880 Yeah, but it's a very seems very fucking specific, so specific, 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:46.960 but yeah. 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.719 So they find him easily, Colin Barnes, MD. So they 0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:51.880 watch a video of him and he says the exact 0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.320 quote about being close to God in the same ways 0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.120 that Ashley did it. So we make a house call. 0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.279 They go to Colin and Annie Barnes home, but they're 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.560 having a big part. The mom's holding a tiny baby, 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:05.040 the dad's wearing a tie that's very spring and it's 0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:07.960 an event and they bring up the sperm daughter stuff 0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:09.920 and he's like, it's a mistake and Benson goes, well, 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.120 you got to clear it up. Then we see Taylor, 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.560 a teen daughter in a pink dress, come by. She's 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:18.759 really blonde, debutant vibes and what neighborhood. I wish I 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.879 kept looked at the address more. But I'm curious where 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.640 they live because it looks like such a giant, sprawling home. 0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:29.120 The Barnes Home. Yeah, like, hold on, I'll find it. 0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:33.239 Hold one sec from the episode or from the wiki. Well, 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.440 the wiki has all of the the bombs, they have 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:42.000 all the things. They're so apartment of home of Colin, 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.440 of Colin and Ann Barnes five two six Arlington Avenue 0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:48.279 so fully made up. 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:50.480 I don't think that's. 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:52.920 Like it looks Connecticut to me, you know, like it 0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.200 look it didn't look like the city in any way. 0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:58.280 Oh so maybe they are because that's there's no Arlington 0:42:58.320 --> 0:42:59.080 Avenue in New York. 0:42:59.520 --> 0:42:59.600 No. 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:03.400 Yeah, but like I know, the Bronx has big houses 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:04.400 like I don't. 0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:06.560 Like in the Bronx. 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:08.920 Actually, so they might live like up, I bet they 0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.239 live in the Bronx Riverdale. Fuck. 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.200 Yeah, gotta figured that out. That makes sense. Yep, do 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:15.080 you guys use ai? 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:15.400 No? 0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:17.000 I wouldn't be able to figure that out. 0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:20.480 No, they wouldn't be able to figure out where Annie 0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:26.359 and Colin Barnes live okay, so, and he's being like, 0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:29.120 you know, he whatever. He's like reassuring his daughter, he's 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:32.080 being an affectionate father. But the detective's eyebrows go up 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:33.439 and they're like, we're intement room bars. 0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:34.440 So the guy's pissed off. 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.440 He goes, I donated sperm on the condition of anonymity, 0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:40.000 and Benson goes, okay, you've never contacted any of the 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:42.719 sperm kids. He says no, and my wife doesn't even 0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:44.960 know and I would never agree to meet anybody. And 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.359 Tomorrow goes, okay, well, why is there a room charge 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:49.600 at the Empire Hotel under your credit card? And he's like, 0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:52.400 I don't even have a MasterCard. What is this? So 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:54.120 Benson throws down the photos of the girls and like 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.839 what they said about meeting this like Vivo lung guy, 0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:00.359 and somebody is trying extraor he goes, someone's trying extra money. 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:03.080 And if any girl says she met me, she's lying. 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:06.040 Amorrow plays red pill guy like, oh yeah, for sure, 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:09.239 these dumb sluts, they're always lying and so but it 0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:11.560 doesn't really matter. The lawyer comes in, No more games. 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:14.279 It's a ballbuster. Woman curls, she shuts it down, like 0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:16.400 get the fuck out of here. We go straight to 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:18.359 the lineup and none of the girls I d him, 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.719 So what the fuck is happening? She goes, these men 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:25.120 are too old and my guy had better eyes, Like, well, 0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:26.959 you know what's going on? So they do a team 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:29.400 meeting in the squad and the wife, Alibi, is him 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:31.960 as well. So Munch goes, okay, and he seems like busy, 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:33.600 Like how would you find the time to like seduce 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:36.600 all these children and find them and like have surgery. 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:40.759 But like the pedophiles really like they persevere, you know 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:42.160 what I mean. It seems like they have a lot 0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:46.160 of jobs and find ways to really travel and commit crimes. 0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:49.399 So but he has like such a god complex. Maybe 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.520 he's like, let's pack my calendar. So he says the 0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:56.960 card isn't his, but the mailing address is for the card. 0:44:56.840 --> 0:44:59.200 Is a PO box a block from his hospital. 0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:02.640 So we're still also waiting for the DNA from the 0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:05.520 baby tissue and what if he is telling the truth, 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:06.239 what's going on? 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.800 And who the fuck met these girls? How about that question? 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:10.960 So we have the first girl there and she's like, 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:14.040 I'm not protecting anybody, like what the fuck? And Benson goes, okay, 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:15.879 but we know for a fact Donor one four one 0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.680 was in there, so someone else met you. And she's like, 0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:20.600 that can't be and Benson goes that man is not 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.759 your biological father. She says, but we look alike. They 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.920 don't at all. So yeah, if you're not someone that 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.080 watches SF, you you just listen to us. I'd like 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:32.000 to let you know these people do not look alike. 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:35.520 So then she says everything he told me match the profile. 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:39.279 Benson leans in, what else did he tell you and 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:41.920 that he'd been trying to contact her for years and 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.680 that her dumb bitch mom wouldn't let him, you know, 0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:47.040 blame the mom. Good idea. And now Huang's with the 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:49.760 blonde girl. There's a few blonde girls. This isn't Taylor. 0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:54.439 It's like another random girl. And so he runs. She's like, yeah, 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:57.400 he ran marathons and I do cross country and like 0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.440 it makes sense because of our genes, and Huang like, well, 0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:02.759 maybe you post about cross country on your social media 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:04.520 and he saw that, and now it cuts to our 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:07.759 bang mom, you know, like the girl in theater, and 0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:10.880 she goes, no, we connected and Amar and she's with 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:14.560 tomorrow and again same story. He always wanted to meet me, 0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:17.600 and he asks when, then, why did he give you 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:19.480 a fake name? And she doesn't have an answer, but 0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:21.360 she says, you're wrong. And when I saw him, I 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:23.759 just knew. I knew that was the dad I had 0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.560 dreamed of. And he treated me like a grown up. 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:30.000 And they spoke French together, and Tomorrow asked what happened 0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.400 after dinner, and yeah, they went back to a hotel. 0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:33.320 They danced. 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.640 She knew it was wrong, but they fucked, and she 0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:38.600 is the he is the baby daddy, so. 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:45.719 Right, they didn't fuck, it was right. Yeah, weird, this 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:49.920 is bad. This is twisted, for sure, It's very twisted. 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:51.719 This is a twisted as this is one of the 0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:53.240 most fucking weird episodes. 0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:57.480 Wrote this one which one of our freaks wrote this one. 0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:04.120 Casting crew were in light and then John Paul Roche. 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:07.520 Oh doesn't he do all the crazy ones? I don't know. 0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:09.840 I feel the other girl. A lot of them are. 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:12.799 It's like we're like they do. He's written thirty eight episodes. 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:17.400 That's cool, John Paul Roche, Oh, No, twenty six, he 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:21.279 wrote twenty six episodes. Oh, he did double strands, which 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:21.600 I like. 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:25.960 That's some twin bike, spider tattoos, hunting ground, one of 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:31.120 our most haunting yep, Father Dearest, and then a lot 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:32.160 in season fourteen. 0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:33.839 I don't know these as much. 0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:37.640 Monsters legacy, Oh funny Valentine, that's the Chloe seven y one. 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:41.799 Yeah, yeah, Vanity's bompfire like we've done a bunch of these. 0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:43.040 Oh, girl dishonored. 0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:46.040 He wrote, I'm traumatic Wound, which we haven't done yet, 0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:48.279 but that's the one about the The girl is from 0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:52.320 New Canaan and she gets hurt, assaulted at a concert 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:56.479 but saved by an army veteran. Yeah, and then yeah, 0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:59.560 this guy's done a lot of them thirteen fourteen, fifteen, 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:03.880 Oh and voices, He wrote, that's the one with Billy. 0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:06.680 He's our guy, Billy, Yeah, I don't know if he's 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:11.880 our guy. I mean I like him. Yeah. Okay, So 0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:13.600 we're back to one of the girls. 0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:15.920 They're cumming back and forth between the detectives and the girls, 0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:17.960 and it's like he knew me. I wanted to be 0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.480 with him. They spent all weekend together, they danced, it 0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:23.440 was so romantic. He said, they can never see each 0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:25.920 other again, but they'll always be in each other's hearts 0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:29.759 Jesus Christ. So the og Girl tells Benson that he 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.359 dreamt to walk her down the aisle one day and 0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:34.399 do a first dance with her to a song called 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:36.719 My One and Only Love, and it's a song that 0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:38.640 he played for her, and she admits they kissed and 0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:41.080 like she knew people wouldn't understand me being with my 0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:44.279 father like that, but I didn't care. And then she's like, wait, 0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:46.120 hold on, So if it wasn't my dad, like what 0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:48.120 the fuck. And Benson does feel bad for her, but 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:51.319 I think it's better that, like, I'm glad it wasn't 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:54.040 your dad, Like, yeah, I'm sorry you've been assaulted and 0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:56.239 lied to, and it's like such a tricky, fucked up thing, 0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.960 but like, I'm glad you're it wasn't right. 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:01.719 You just honestly got bamboozled. 0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:06.520 So she runs into her the dad that raised her 0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:09.759 arms her dad, her real dad, and cries and goes, 0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:10.680 I'm sorry, daddy. 0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:13.040 He says it's okay. They walk off together. I think 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:14.080 I'll be fine. 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.279 Colin Barnes is spurned daddy to all of them, but 0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:23.000 not to Ashley's baby, So that means this, yeah, you 0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:26.480 know what that means so then so that dad is 0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:28.800 not in the system, so that's fucked up. So someone 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.800 posed as this stonor one for one and then raped 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:34.879 all these girls. So then at Marrow goes he knows 0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:37.680 how to seduce, and Huang goes, no, he knows who 0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:41.359 to seduce. And two of those girls fantasized their whole 0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:43.480 life about the father they never knew. And then the 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:45.680 other girl just found out about her dad wasn't her 0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:48.160 bio dad and is like desperate for her father's love. 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:50.439 And all of them are vulnerable when they met him, 0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:54.400 so their inhibitions just disappeared, says Huang. And this isn't like, 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:57.840 this is like not genetic family love, this isn't stat rape. 0:49:57.920 --> 0:49:59.400 She's like this, this is socio. 0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:03.120 This is so abap psycho dark dark dark like it's 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:07.239 more twisted than these other things. I guess if we're 0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:09.879 comparing the twists. Okay, so we need to go back 0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:13.279 and talk to the doctor. Does he have enemies who 0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:15.480 would want to destroy him like this? So when we 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:18.879 get to the Barnes home, the blonde daughter is screaming 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:22.040 at them, running out. She's disgusted by her father. She 0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:24.799 calls her dad sick. How many kids do you have? 0:50:24.960 --> 0:50:29.160 One hundred more? I could be dating my own brother, Jesus. 0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:31.560 So she's enraged. She runs out of the house. The 0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:34.319 wife is like, she's right, what were you thinking. The 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:36.279 cops arrive right at this moment, and he's like, you've 0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:38.160 done enough damage, get the fuck out of here. And 0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:40.759 Tomorrow goes, this is a great quote. Hey, you need 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.040 to know someone has raped your donor daughters and did 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:47.920 it in your own name. It's one of the craziest lines. 0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:49.120 Yeah. 0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:52.360 So the wife goes, oh my god. So they go 0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:54.600 into the office to figure this out and all the enemies. 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.680 He's like, everyone loves me. I'm highly esteemed and I'm incredible. 0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:00.279 People respect me, and my patients worship me. And then 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:02.560 the wife goes, what about Philip Kelly? And then he 0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:05.840 calls him a hack? And it's basically a surgeon. Colin 0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:09.040 fired a year ago. Colin saw his handshake while pouring 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:11.480 a ginger ale at a party last year, which is 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:13.280 an obvious intention tremor. 0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:16.560 Okay, so he got fired. He didn't take it well. 0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:18.760 Colin is like, listen, we went to med school together, 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:20.160 so I bet he thought I would like, look the 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:20.640 other way. 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:21.920 But I can't. 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:23.319 You can't have a tremor and you can't do these 0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:25.960 operations like go fuck yourself. You've been fired. So they 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:28.200 go to Flannery's bar and Phili is sitting there and 0:51:28.239 --> 0:51:30.040 they're like, where were you? And he's pulling an all 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:33.520 night shift at the hospital, like in the prison. So 0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:35.960 it's very death becomes her. Bruce willis you know what 0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:39.399 I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, he's in the prison working nights, 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:40.920 and he goes, you can check with my son of 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:43.480 a bitch supervisor. I mean, he clearly has a drinking problem. 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:45.880 So then they bring up Barnes, Oh, the bastard that 0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:49.600 ruined my career, sanctimonious prick and I know what that 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:53.040 word means because of Taylor Swift thinks. So Rolin sees 0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:57.360 him shake and he's like, well look at you shaking. 0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:58.719 He goes, yeah, but I was on meds. I had 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.319 it under control. And he like, sure, but you did shake, 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:03.360 and he goes, whatever, I was drunk at my own birthday, 0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:07.200 Like I can't shake a little fuck. He also is like, 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:10.360 don't worry, I'm not the only one. Like everyone hates him, like, 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:12.719 have fun trying to figure out who hates him the most. 0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:14.960 He's like, I knew about the sperm donating because he 0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:18.040 bragged about it to anyone that would listen, And clearly 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:19.680 this is a red herring, Like I don't know what 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:21.560 else to say, but he's like, listen, I know you 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:23.760 had a daughter, and I did hear that the daughter 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:26.560 talked to some guy complaining about how much she hates 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:32.160 her dad. And so now we meet James Vanderbeek, and 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:35.320 now we know why everyone wants to fuck their father. 0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:40.960 So yeah, you kind of see James Vanderbeek like listen, yeah, 0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:44.839 if you're like a kid, yeah, and rested. He he's 0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:46.960 literally like a teen heart throb. 0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:48.360 But I had a. 0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:51.520 Dawson's Creek bucket hat and I had the calendar, like 0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:54.000 I don't know, but I also loved Don't Trust to 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:57.759 Be An Apartment twenty three, as did I. Yeah, Eric 0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:01.600 Andre did like a really lovely tribute to James Vanderbeek 0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:05.400 when he passed. Yeah, and it's sad he's no longer 0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:10.759 with us, but he's so hot and all of it 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:13.799 makes sense when you see it, Like it's kind of 0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:15.799 like the Will Sasso Dad one where they're like thank god, 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:17.040 my dad's not a garbage man. 0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:17.799 I knew it. 0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:19.640 And it's like kind of like this where they're like, 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:24.239 oh wow, love my dad. I mean, I was not 0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:25.600 a Dawson's Creek person. 0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:26.319 I don't know why. 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:30.359 I just like wasn't watching it but him and don't 0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:32.520 trust the bee. Like I really feel like that's where 0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:33.840 I like fell in love with him because he was 0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:34.920 so funny. 0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:38.680 Yeah, and like not self serious, you know, I mean 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:42.719 like yeah, and then the memes, like I feel like 0:53:42.760 --> 0:53:44.080 he leaned into the memes. 0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:48.600 Oh my god, Varsity Blues. I think that movie meant That's. 0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:51.480 One I was a big one in the freshman year 0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:52.200 of college. 0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:53.920 Well yeah, I was in West Tech. 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:54.239 Yeah. 0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:57.319 Well, and it was the whip Cream Bikini. I think 0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:00.800 was like pivotal sexual moment for a lot of people. 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:05.200 I would say, who was that Ali Larder, Yeah, Casey's 0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:10.600 nodding furiously. That movie was hot as fuck and I 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:13.839 watched it and they didn't. Yeah, I don't want your 0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:18.560 live Wait, this is psychotic. Ali Larder and Amy Smart 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:23.319 in this movie. They're similar, Yeah they are. They're like 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:28.120 the Bill Paxton, Bill Pullman or Dylan mcrooney and John 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:32.920 mc whatever, McDermott or whatever it is, Rupert who cares, 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:34.520 Dylan mulroney. 0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:40.320 And Dermott Dermott m Dylan McDermott and Dermot mulrooney. Yeah. 0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:43.919 Amy Smart is in a really horrific s view, one 0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:46.880 of the most damaging, and I would want her on 0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:51.440 the pod. Oh shit, I forget her episode. This is serendipitous. 0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:53.480 We need her because I also love the movie rat Race. 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:57.759 It is a race, but also the Rules of Attraction 0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:01.080 was a meant a lot to me as well. I 0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:03.879 don't know if that's something that you watched. Nope, never 0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:08.520 seen that. Yeah, it was like a like, what's her name? 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:13.280 She's in a Shannon Sassimon's in it as well. Whatever, 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:15.200 we gotta get Shannon, and we gotta get all these 0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:19.720 people on our pod. Yeah, come on the pod, guys, 0:55:21.920 --> 0:55:24.480 if you're friends with any of these people, let him know. 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:29.280 Scott con would be fucking good in a s fe Okay, 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.200 let's get back. But anyways, James Vanderbeek is dancing slowly 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:35.439 with Taylor, the doctor's daughter, and she's talking about her dad, 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:37.560 you know, And the song that was mentioned earlier, My 0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:40.160 One and Only Love is playing it's an old timey song. 0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:41.879 She's like, my dad's been lying to me my whole life. 0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:43.640 Everyone's a liar. I needed to get the fuck out 0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:45.800 of there. And he caresses her hair and says, don't worry, 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:49.279 you're with me now. They dance slowly, Taylor's smiling, his 0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:52.120 arm goes lower. Uh oh, but I did write James 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:56.279 Vanderbeek is hot again. Okay, So Benson and Finn are 0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.400 at but I think he's hotter here than Dawson's Creek. 0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:04.680 Yeah, I'd like to say that he's hot or grown up. Yeah, yeah, 0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:05.720 one hundred percent. 0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:10.640 And then Benson and Finn are at the Barnes home 0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:13.279 again and he's flipping out about his missing daughter, who 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:15.200 he knows doesn't have a boyfriend because she's busy and 0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:19.200 she's pre met early acceptance to Brown and Benson goes, Okay, wow, 0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:20.759 seems like a lot of pressure, and he goes she 0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.719 thrives on it. Taylor would never run away, she would 0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:26.760 never hurt me. She's too mature, and something terrible is happening, 0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:28.399 and it's like everything can be true, and no one 0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:31.040 likes you like you truly are a menace. And if 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:33.200 you didn't save people's lives, you'd be dead in a ditch. 0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:36.720 So the mom is with Amorro and rollins and Omaro 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:40.480 opens the laptop in Taylor's room. The jazz song that 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:42.920 we just heard them dancing to is on this laptop, 0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:44.920 and the mom goes, she hates jazz. She would never 0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:48.520 fucking listen to this, but someone emailed her the song yesterday, 0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:50.799 and she goes, well that is strange. But she goes, 0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:53.239 but I haven't heard this song in years. And they're like, 0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:55.600 you know it because it's not like it's Rihanna, you 0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:57.960 know what I mean. It is a weird jazz number. 0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:03.240 And she goes, yeah, I dated at Cornell. This guy Sean. 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:05.960 He played it all the time. So obviously ding ding 0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:07.239 ding Sean when you see him? 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:09.480 Does he know your daughter? What's right? Not out? 0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:11.640 She goes, oh my god, that Phillip that birthday party 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:13.879 with the sheiks Taylor talked to a man that could 0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:14.480 have been Sean. 0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:17.800 She's like, fuck, Sean could have her. And so now 0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:19.600 they're at the precinct and the dad has been such 0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:21.360 a dick, like why haven't you picked him up yet? 0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:23.320 And they're like, well, he does medical sales. So he 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:23.880 travels a lot. 0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:25.760 In his apartment is empty and we're trying and there's 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:27.600 no GPS on his phone because he turned it off, 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:29.800 and we do know that the jazz song was sent 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:32.400 from his email, so we're on it and the dad's 0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:34.680 telling and then even his lawyers like, you need to 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:37.160 take it easy. So they're like, is there a reason 0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:39.360 he wants to hurt you? He goes, we barely knew him. 0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:41.640 He's a loser, and he's jealous, and Tomorrow goes, I 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:44.760 don't think this is like general jealousy. This seems pretty 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:48.080 personal and they dated, but maybe he thinks Colin stole 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:50.840 him away. Rollin puts up something on the screen. It's 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:53.800 an article, and he goes, oh, fuck, I do remember this. 0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:57.000 The title of the article is Mcat's Scandal at Cornell 0:57:57.600 --> 0:58:01.480 and he was caught cheating, so basically he was taking 0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:04.640 the test for someone else. Colin saw James Vanderbeek sitting 0:58:04.680 --> 0:58:05.880 there and was like, well, I already knew you took 0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:06.200 the test. 0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:06.920 What are you doing. 0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:09.000 He goes, oh, I'm making three hundred fifty dollars and 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:11.080 Bensa goes, so you blew the whistle and he goes yeah, 0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:13.520 and I'm proud of that. The thing is like, he 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:17.160 is a tattletale, a loser, like all of these things. 0:58:17.520 --> 0:58:19.480 But I don't want any doctor cheating on the m 0:58:19.560 --> 0:58:25.760 cat right, So I don't, like, I don't know, you 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:26.600 should take your. 0:58:26.520 --> 0:58:29.480 Tests yourself, like if you're gonna be treating patients. 0:58:29.520 --> 0:58:31.040 But also this guy needs to lie about her. 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:33.120 And James Vanderubek could have been like, oh there was 0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:35.320 an error, or like they're letting me take it again 0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:39.840 or I signed up twice like whatever, like why yeah, whatever, 0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:43.720 So he's caught cheating everyone whatever. So Sean starts texting 0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:47.919 the mom he wants to see her. The dad says 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:50.600 that's ridiculous, and the mom goes, no, it's not. If 0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:52.800 I don't see him, it says, I will never see 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:53.720 Taylor again. 0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:54.400 Fuck. 0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:57.000 And also I think the mom's gonna divorce the dad 0:58:57.120 --> 0:59:01.600 after this episode. I think it's divorce city. So James 0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:04.520 Vanderbeek has flowers. He's at a like a beestro place 0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:06.840 and Rollins and Finn come in and they arrest him 0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:08.320 and he's like, I only want to talk to Anne. 0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:10.760 So he's in cement room. Bars Tomorrow and Menson are 0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:12.200 like trying to chat with him again. He's like, I'm 0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:13.440 only going to talk to Ann. I'm only going to 0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:15.920 talk to Anne. Benson goes, well, you have Taylor, and 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:17.680 so you hold all the cards, so like, we'll do 0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:18.439 whatever you want. 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:20.600 And he goes, well, I don't have Taylor. She's right 0:59:20.640 --> 0:59:22.800 where she wants to be. I didn't take her anywhere. 0:59:23.360 --> 0:59:26.760 And he says, she obviously needs me right now and 0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:29.240 we have a connection, and he calls her beautiful and 0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:31.760 special and says, I swear it was like I was 0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:32.680 looking at Anne. 0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:35.840 Okay. So now we go to this spy mirror room 0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:36.920 full as hell. 0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:41.320 Everyone's in there, and Colin's likeugh, enough with this bullshit. 0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:43.919 And Huang's like, well, the detectives know what they're doing, 0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:46.880 empathy projection. They're getting him to talk, like, shut the 0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:51.560 fuck up. Fuck, I've never felt less bad for someone 0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:55.240 whose daughter is missing, you know what I mean. So 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.960 Anne's holding back tears. She's so stressed and now she 0:59:58.040 --> 1:00:00.600 knows she has to leave her husband and she's hoping 1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:03.320 that she has a good prenup. So he's so he says, 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:05.520 Colin wants his daughter on a shelf like a trophy. 1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:08.160 But I really saw her for who she was, and 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:10.560 Benson goes, so you gave her attention, like the attention 1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:13.640 you gave you know these other donor daughters and he 1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:15.520 gets up and I think they're really like I think 1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:18.840 this is the moment he realizes they know more that 1:00:18.880 --> 1:00:21.160 it's not just about Taylor and that he's been impregnanty 1:00:21.160 --> 1:00:24.240 in the others like did you get that impression too? 1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:29.160 I'm just like, I'm his motive is very confusing to me, Like, 1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:31.120 I know, we're going to find out that it's like, 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:34.000 you know that it's a bit of a revenge thing 1:00:34.080 --> 1:00:37.720 on this one guy, But I don't understand why you 1:00:37.760 --> 1:00:40.360 would if you're not just like a predator or were 1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:42.960 those girls warm up so that you could get to 1:00:43.040 --> 1:00:46.680 know girls so that you could ultimately seduce the daughter 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:48.840 Like Taylor was like, well. 1:00:48.720 --> 1:00:51.520 Well he talks about it because he said he felt 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:52.800 so bad for her, and then he was like, I 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:57.160 bet I feel bad for all these other abandoned women. Okay, 1:00:57.240 --> 1:01:01.080 well he hasnt simple. Yeah, I'm not trying to make 1:01:01.120 --> 1:01:02.720 sense of this. But all doctor, if you're a say 1:01:02.760 --> 1:01:05.720 yeah you have a god complex, Yeah you do. It's 1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:11.240 like a pilot you have to yeah, but like okay, yeah, 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:14.320 there are no surgeons that are normal humans, like there 1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:17.560 I know, but that like you would translate your god 1:01:17.640 --> 1:01:22.080 complex into like I need to like groom these underage 1:01:22.120 --> 1:01:24.920 girls and then impregnate them. That's like a very big 1:01:25.240 --> 1:01:27.320 James van la Week is so hot. I'm like defending 1:01:27.360 --> 1:01:30.320 this predator. Yeah, like you don't understand, actually, Karen, you 1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:31.480 don't know surgeon culture. 1:01:31.720 --> 1:01:35.320 Yeah. So wait. 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:40.439 I feel like once he's like the detective, Benson goes, 1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:43.400 so you gave her attention, like the attention you gave 1:01:43.480 --> 1:01:47.200 his other daughters, the donor daughters, and so he gets 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:49.160 I think this is the moment he realizes they even 1:01:49.240 --> 1:01:50.760 know about any of that. Like, I think he thinks 1:01:50.800 --> 1:01:53.320 he's only there about Taylor. And then this is the 1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:55.840 moment they're like, we know you rape other girls. 1:01:55.840 --> 1:01:58.760 Like you're fucking shy, Like I think he like, I 1:01:58.800 --> 1:02:00.440 think this is when he realizes he fucked. 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:02.280 But he looks out the cell windows. He admits to 1:02:02.360 --> 1:02:02.640 all of it. 1:02:03.160 --> 1:02:05.720 He's like, I remembered about his sperm donations and seeing 1:02:05.760 --> 1:02:07.720 how lonely Taylor was at the party made me think 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:11.200 how lonely the other sperm daughters were right, but not 1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:13.000 the guys for sure, not the boys. 1:02:13.400 --> 1:02:14.680 But they don't need a dad. 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:18.720 So marrow Egziman being like, I'm also a hot asshole freak, Like, 1:02:18.880 --> 1:02:22.160 let's connect. He's like he had a hundred kids out there, 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:24.240 and he didn't think for one second how lonely those 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:27.520 kids must have been. He's like, the emotions were so strong, 1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:30.000 like I just knew they needed more in a father's love, 1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:32.400 so I gave them what they needed. I was a 1:02:32.480 --> 1:02:35.120 better father than he ever was. And he doesn't deserve 1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:38.560 daughters or a family. He realizes they're watching, he goes, 1:02:38.600 --> 1:02:41.200 wait are they behind there? And then the score is very, 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:44.440 very good, the music's dramatic, and then he's like, so 1:02:44.560 --> 1:02:46.400 he knows Anne is there, so they go, okay, go 1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:50.680 talk to her, and he starts speaking through the mirror. 1:02:51.200 --> 1:02:53.760 He doesn't deserve you, Anne, And to me, I'm like, 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:55.840 you dodged a bullet, like you do have bad taste 1:02:55.880 --> 1:02:58.200 in men, but like this guy, I guess is worse 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:00.240 than the guy you ended up with. But like, I 1:03:00.360 --> 1:03:01.800 wonder if she grew up in a home that really 1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:03.600 pushed her to get married young, Like I don't know 1:03:03.640 --> 1:03:05.360 why she had to end up with one of these guys, 1:03:05.440 --> 1:03:09.280 marry a doctor, like these guys suck, and she seems 1:03:09.400 --> 1:03:14.280 kind of fun, like I don't know. So he goes 1:03:14.360 --> 1:03:17.200 up super close to the mirror and he goes, I 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:19.560 will never forget seeing you at that party. And then 1:03:19.600 --> 1:03:21.560 it's a serious face and he goes, you're you were 1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:25.760 pregnant glowing. So he's like a breeder too, like all 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:29.040 the sperm stuff and the connected like, yeah, to look 1:03:29.080 --> 1:03:32.000 at the pregnant woman and he did you know, impregnant 1:03:32.040 --> 1:03:34.440 one of the girls. And he goes, you smiled right 1:03:34.480 --> 1:03:38.080 at me and and he goes, you said you were 1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:41.640 so blessed that this was your miracle, baby, No miracles 1:03:41.720 --> 1:03:44.600 for me. I never found the right one. And it's like, 1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:47.840 I think you're still seeming young. 1:03:48.800 --> 1:03:52.280 Yeah, and you were spending a lot of time grooming 1:03:52.400 --> 1:03:54.560 teenagers that you could have just been on hinge, you 1:03:54.600 --> 1:03:55.880 know what I mean, Like I think you could still 1:03:55.920 --> 1:03:56.240 find her. 1:03:56.920 --> 1:03:58.720 You could have been on a hinge instead of the 1:03:58.800 --> 1:04:02.280 sperm donor family. You were doing a lot of like 1:04:02.560 --> 1:04:05.120 undercover recon weird plotting. 1:04:04.960 --> 1:04:07.120 And yeah, you could just be dating. So he goes, 1:04:07.160 --> 1:04:09.840 I've never met the right one. Till now your daughter Taylor. 1:04:10.080 --> 1:04:12.720 He says he will tell her where her daughter is, 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:15.720 but he wants to see her first, and for her daughter, 1:04:15.800 --> 1:04:17.880 she'll do everything. And they do a really cool shot 1:04:18.000 --> 1:04:22.720 where like he turns around slowly and then he looks 1:04:22.760 --> 1:04:24.640 at her and then we see her in the mirror 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:26.720 behind him but standing by the window. 1:04:26.920 --> 1:04:29.240 Does that make sense? It was like a cool spinny. 1:04:28.920 --> 1:04:31.440 Shot that I yeah. And she's doing what needs to 1:04:31.480 --> 1:04:34.160 happen to get Taylor back. She says sorry, She's doing 1:04:34.200 --> 1:04:36.600 what she needs to do. She says, sorry for hurting you. 1:04:37.120 --> 1:04:40.840 He's like, well, I have a favor, and she's like anything, 1:04:41.000 --> 1:04:43.200 anything you want, and he puts a finger to her 1:04:43.280 --> 1:04:45.680 lips then brushes her hair back and he loves it, 1:04:45.920 --> 1:04:48.800 and he wants one dance. They never got to dance, 1:04:48.920 --> 1:04:51.240 and she always said next time. So did they date 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:53.080 or did they not dance or did they dance? Like, 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:56.800 I don't get what's happening, so whatever, She's like sure. 1:04:57.320 --> 1:05:01.120 So he also wants the husband to walk. She's He's like, 1:05:01.200 --> 1:05:03.280 I want your husband, the doctor to watch. I want 1:05:03.360 --> 1:05:04.960 him to feel what it's like to see you with 1:05:05.040 --> 1:05:07.200 another man. And then I guess they brought in a 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:09.800 boom box ready for him with his favorite song. 1:05:12.320 --> 1:05:14.280 Yeah, it's like twenty twelve, but I don't think anyone 1:05:14.320 --> 1:05:15.600 really has like a phone. 1:05:15.880 --> 1:05:18.360 No, he truly bends over and presses the button on 1:05:18.400 --> 1:05:21.840 a like. I was like, oh, yeah, this is weird 1:05:21.960 --> 1:05:24.160 that they would Okay, they had it ready. They have 1:05:24.240 --> 1:05:26.960 a boombox, the boom box that song or was it 1:05:27.040 --> 1:05:29.440 a laptop? Like I don't even think they have the lab. 1:05:29.760 --> 1:05:33.400 It's so crazy to me. But whatever, they do what 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:37.200 they have to do. So they dance at my one 1:05:37.280 --> 1:05:39.760 and only plays he sings it to her ear. She 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:42.800 looks o she's like in pure fear and anguish, and 1:05:43.000 --> 1:05:45.240 he's like, I've dreamed of this forever. I've dreamed of 1:05:45.360 --> 1:05:48.000 giving away my daughter at her wedding. And she's like 1:05:48.040 --> 1:05:50.160 that's so sweet, like maybe that'll happen, and he goes, 1:05:50.280 --> 1:05:53.560 no for our daughter, and then he goes but Colin 1:05:53.640 --> 1:05:57.240 gets to do that instead of me with Taylor, and 1:05:57.600 --> 1:06:00.280 so they're still dancing. She's such a good actress, like 1:06:00.360 --> 1:06:03.640 holy shit, and then he says there's a problem and 1:06:04.840 --> 1:06:07.840 what and then he whispers something in her ear and 1:06:07.960 --> 1:06:10.080 she starts screaming no, no, no, no, no, and starts 1:06:10.160 --> 1:06:12.440 hitting him, and so then Benson holds her back. Tomorrow 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:17.280 takes the guy, James Vanderbeek, and then the husband wants in. 1:06:17.640 --> 1:06:20.760 Finn holds him back. He's panicked, and then he begs 1:06:20.800 --> 1:06:23.440 and then she comes out he killed her, He killed her. 1:06:23.600 --> 1:06:26.080 She keeps repeating and then goes into her husband's arms, 1:06:26.640 --> 1:06:28.760 and now it's like precinct time, like why the fuck 1:06:28.760 --> 1:06:31.480 would he kill the daughter? And then something clicks for Benson. 1:06:31.560 --> 1:06:33.720 He goes She's like, oh my god, Taylor is special. 1:06:34.080 --> 1:06:36.760 We've been looking at Empire and West Side hotels. We 1:06:36.840 --> 1:06:38.960 need to look on the east side at nicer hotels. 1:06:39.400 --> 1:06:41.800 I think the west Side might have some nice ones. 1:06:42.000 --> 1:06:44.960 Like I don't know, it's strange, but the Empire Hotel 1:06:45.000 --> 1:06:47.360 where like the first credit card was found or whatever, 1:06:47.520 --> 1:06:50.480 that's where a lot of Dexter resurrection is. That's where 1:06:50.520 --> 1:06:54.600 Harrison works, and it's very exciting, so that they find 1:06:54.840 --> 1:06:55.720 the better hotel. 1:06:55.840 --> 1:06:56.640 Taylor is alive. 1:06:58.320 --> 1:07:01.240 She's alive. She's in a row in bed, so this 1:07:01.360 --> 1:07:03.800 is great. And Benson's like, Sean told your parents you 1:07:03.880 --> 1:07:05.840 were dead, and she's like, you're lying. He would never 1:07:05.960 --> 1:07:07.960 do that, and Sean is my real dad. He told 1:07:08.000 --> 1:07:10.320 me the truth, and Benson's like nope, and then tomorrow 1:07:10.400 --> 1:07:14.920 throw's clothes at and goes get dressed, like relax, but 1:07:15.160 --> 1:07:17.360 she screams, no, I want Sean, I want my father. 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:19.680 I want him. She's so mad, like the therapy this 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:20.400 family will need. 1:07:21.480 --> 1:07:23.560 And then that's dick well baby, it's just like her 1:07:23.640 --> 1:07:27.360 being manipulated as fucked, like believing everything this guy said 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:29.520 and hat and. 1:07:29.680 --> 1:07:32.360 Like it's weird. He's like he did all of this 1:07:32.560 --> 1:07:34.720 for this woman, and then he just wanted to hurt 1:07:34.760 --> 1:07:38.360 her at the end with the lying about killing her, 1:07:38.520 --> 1:07:40.640 like he just wanted to stick it to her. I 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:44.840 don't know, sick motherfucker. Yeah, for sure, for sure. It's 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:50.320 a It's one of the most wild plots. It's extremely 1:07:50.440 --> 1:07:54.560 loosely borrowed from real stories, because nothing this crazy could 1:07:54.600 --> 1:07:57.000 happen I feel in real life. I mean we've said that, 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:59.080 and then we've found the stories that are like identical, 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:02.160 but like this one and this one is nuts to 1:08:02.280 --> 1:08:04.560 go after, Like there could be a guy who's a 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:07.280 sperm donor who I could see going later and reconnecting 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:10.640 with all his sperm donor daughters and having sex with them. 1:08:11.520 --> 1:08:14.080 But I don't see you doing it as a revenge 1:08:14.160 --> 1:08:16.800 to get back for your college girlfriend whose husband called 1:08:16.880 --> 1:08:19.600 you in for cheating and for having a tremor, like 1:08:19.680 --> 1:08:22.960 both things. This guy had it out for you. Anyway, 1:08:30.120 --> 1:08:38.840 let's get into genetic sexual attraction phenomenon or okay, so 1:08:39.120 --> 1:08:42.360 the genetics attraction. I want a T shirt that says 1:08:42.400 --> 1:08:44.559 that genetic sexual attraction. 1:08:44.880 --> 1:08:46.439 Yeah, I'm gonna get that. Don't wear it at home. 1:08:46.600 --> 1:08:55.280 Yeah. So, genetic sexual attraction is a hypothesis that people 1:08:55.320 --> 1:08:58.120 can be attracted to one another based on their genetics similarities. 1:08:58.200 --> 1:08:59.040 That's one part of it. 1:09:00.320 --> 1:09:03.519 Like there are people that can be attracted to people 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:06.639 that like look like them, that have genetic similarities to them. 1:09:07.080 --> 1:09:10.040 But then it also describes this phenomenon of people who 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:14.280 are biologically related being separated and then feeling intense feelings 1:09:14.320 --> 1:09:18.280 in sexual attraction when contact is restored. This term was 1:09:18.360 --> 1:09:21.920 popularized in the US in the late eighties by Barbara Gaugno, 1:09:22.680 --> 1:09:26.679 founder of truth Seekers in Adoption, a Chicago support group 1:09:26.760 --> 1:09:30.760 for adoptees. Is she a doctor? Is she a scientist? No, 1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:36.479 She's a woman who established contact with her own son 1:09:36.760 --> 1:09:40.400 after giving him up for adoption and felt sexual feelings 1:09:40.400 --> 1:09:44.040 towards him, but he did not feel them back, and 1:09:44.200 --> 1:09:45.840 he got the fuck away from her. 1:09:46.080 --> 1:09:48.360 And so she just created this whole syndrome to make 1:09:48.400 --> 1:09:49.920 it okay that she wanted to fuck her son. 1:09:50.560 --> 1:09:54.040 Apparently it had been a little bit discussed in like 1:09:54.120 --> 1:09:57.519 the seventies, but like there are like no papers about this, 1:09:57.720 --> 1:09:59.840 like according to my research, there's like. 1:10:01.880 --> 1:10:02.600 Neil Beart, like what. 1:10:02.680 --> 1:10:06.080 The fuck, Yeah, I thought about this so often in 1:10:06.160 --> 1:10:09.160 public as a fact that like, what do you mean 1:10:09.200 --> 1:10:11.000 it's just some incest bitch that came up with it. 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:13.280 Well, this is interesting, this is interesting. Let me tell you, 1:10:13.400 --> 1:10:16.080 Let me tell you. So this woman had yeah, feelings, 1:10:16.160 --> 1:10:17.040 he did not want that. 1:10:17.320 --> 1:10:17.880 So okay. 1:10:18.080 --> 1:10:21.880 Others have found that this phenomenon occurs. And notice my 1:10:22.000 --> 1:10:25.240 use of the word phenomenon. It's not a syndrome, it's 1:10:25.280 --> 1:10:31.120 not a disorder. It's a phenomenon, okay, phenomenomenon, a femininenomenon. 1:10:31.200 --> 1:10:31.439 Okay. 1:10:31.520 --> 1:10:35.880 So others have found that it occurs because of physical 1:10:35.920 --> 1:10:40.080 separation of relatives. The attraction to biological relatives separated at 1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:42.760 a young age occurs because it prevents the Western mark 1:10:42.800 --> 1:10:46.599 effect from happening. So the wester Mark effect is also 1:10:46.720 --> 1:10:51.000 known as reverse sexual imprinting, and it's the psychological hypothesis 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:55.320 again hypothesis that people are usually not attracted to people 1:10:55.360 --> 1:10:57.439 with that they live with before the age of six 1:10:57.960 --> 1:11:02.360 because the body, like dessense, it tizes to biologically related 1:11:02.400 --> 1:11:05.719 people as a natural way to avoid incest and inbreeding. 1:11:06.360 --> 1:11:09.240 So like you grow up with your brothers around you, 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:12.840 or cousins or your father, and you don't develop those 1:11:12.840 --> 1:11:14.960 feelings because they're around you and you get desensitized to 1:11:15.000 --> 1:11:17.400 them as a sexual being. But the reason that this 1:11:17.520 --> 1:11:22.040 happens is because people get reconnected after years and years 1:11:22.080 --> 1:11:25.880 and they were not together in those times. So another 1:11:25.960 --> 1:11:32.400 suggested explanation for the phenomenon is possible narcissistic feelings. Catherine 1:11:32.479 --> 1:11:36.759 mccaskell and adoption and sexual abuse experts suggested that genetic 1:11:36.760 --> 1:11:40.600 sexual attraction cases occur when a reunion is unplanned and 1:11:40.720 --> 1:11:44.240 the parties are not adequately adequately prepared for the reunion. 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:47.000 So like, if you're a person that's going to go 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:51.200 like meet your biological father or mother whoever, and that's 1:11:51.280 --> 1:11:54.920 this they're the same gender that you're attracted to, I 1:11:55.000 --> 1:11:58.680 guess you should there should be like therapy, like there 1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:00.640 should be you know, like prepairing for. 1:12:00.680 --> 1:12:02.479 That to happen, a moderator or something. 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:05.360 Yeah, oh yeah, and like just not just like I 1:12:05.400 --> 1:12:07.080 looked them up on a chat room and I'm going 1:12:07.120 --> 1:12:08.800 to visit him in New York City, Like you know 1:12:08.960 --> 1:12:10.040 that's not well. 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:12.080 Yeah, because he was grooming that you know, yeah, he 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:14.080 was doing other stuff. But you're right, like, if you're 1:12:14.080 --> 1:12:18.439 gonna do this, get some you know planning. Yeah, yeah, totally, yeah, 1:12:18.439 --> 1:12:20.679 because you know, you build it up in your head too, 1:12:20.960 --> 1:12:22.160 like meeting this person. 1:12:23.080 --> 1:12:23.519 Yeah yeah. 1:12:23.560 --> 1:12:23.760 Yeah. 1:12:24.439 --> 1:12:27.760 So there was another guy named Eric Anderson, a sociologist 1:12:27.840 --> 1:12:32.400 and sexologist who wrote in his book called The Monogamy Gap, Men, Love, 1:12:32.439 --> 1:12:35.479 and the Reality of Cheating that there really isn't enough 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:36.439 research on. 1:12:38.680 --> 1:12:43.040 Genetic sexual attraction. And his book was what were you 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:47.759 about to say? Genitals? Probably His book. 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:49.519 Was published in twenty twelve, the same year that this 1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:52.360 episode came out, and at that time he goes, he goes, 1:12:52.479 --> 1:12:55.000 there's like one academic research paper on this subject, and 1:12:55.080 --> 1:12:58.280 he said it was filled with quote unquote Freudian psychobabble. 1:12:58.880 --> 1:13:02.120 So that's just like, I mean, that's one guy's opinion. 1:13:02.320 --> 1:13:04.920 A lot of other experts have also called genetic sexual 1:13:04.920 --> 1:13:07.320 attracture to pseudoscience, and there is really not a lot 1:13:07.439 --> 1:13:12.280 of heart events about it anywhere. Salon published an article 1:13:12.560 --> 1:13:16.400 about this by Amanda Marcott, which was in reaction to 1:13:16.840 --> 1:13:19.400 press coverage of this case in New Mexico. And this 1:13:19.560 --> 1:13:22.520 is in twenty sixteen, so this is since the episode 1:13:23.439 --> 1:13:26.800 four years after about this woman named Monica Mares, who 1:13:26.960 --> 1:13:29.559 at thirty six years old, reunited with her son Caleb 1:13:29.600 --> 1:13:30.719 Peterson nineteen. 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:33.360 They lived in the same town in New Mexico, which 1:13:33.400 --> 1:13:33.840 is crazy. 1:13:34.280 --> 1:13:36.200 She had given him up for adoption as a teen, 1:13:36.680 --> 1:13:40.360 and they began a sexual relationship that was reported to 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:44.360 law enforcement, and they decided to fight it. They were like, 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:46.880 we're in love, we need We're going to go against 1:13:47.000 --> 1:13:49.920 We'll go to any lengths to stay together. This woman 1:13:50.040 --> 1:13:52.560 is the mother to nine other children and said she 1:13:52.600 --> 1:13:54.400 would go to prison and give up seeing any of 1:13:54.439 --> 1:13:56.559 her other kids if it meant being with Caleb, who 1:13:56.640 --> 1:13:59.400 she claimed to be madly in love with. And incests 1:13:59.439 --> 1:14:02.080 is a crime in all fifty states. It's just, you know, 1:14:02.200 --> 1:14:04.559 it depends on the I thought, if it's your over, 1:14:04.640 --> 1:14:07.439 if you're like of age, you can you can do it. 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:10.880 I mean it's it's a crime, but the punishment's vary. 1:14:11.680 --> 1:14:14.080 So so you know, like so. 1:14:15.560 --> 1:14:17.080 Mona legal. 1:14:17.240 --> 1:14:20.080 I thought, well, just in an SVU and Taboo, they 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:22.360 say how it's legal like in New Jersey or whatever 1:14:22.479 --> 1:14:24.320 if like you're both consenting adults. 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:25.840 Oh they do. 1:14:26.240 --> 1:14:29.200 Okay, Well the article I was reading, I mean, but 1:14:29.360 --> 1:14:31.760 that there's time in between. But in my heat, I 1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:33.680 always thought that, like if you're of age, you can 1:14:33.760 --> 1:14:41.400 do incest. They vary widely between jurisdictions. Oh hi, in 1:14:41.520 --> 1:14:45.320 New Jersey and Rhode Island, incest between consenting adults sixteen 1:14:45.479 --> 1:14:47.400 or over for RhoD Island, eighteen and over for New 1:14:47.479 --> 1:14:49.840 Jersey is not a criminal offense, though marriage is not 1:14:49.920 --> 1:14:53.679 allowed in either state. I mean, I'm sorry for a pothead, 1:14:53.840 --> 1:14:55.640 Like I really kill it in terms of like I 1:14:55.760 --> 1:14:56.639 remember the state. 1:14:56.840 --> 1:15:03.040 Yeah you did remember that. Yeah, incests is criminalized between 1:15:04.200 --> 1:15:09.040 In all but two states, incests is criminalized between consenting adults. 1:15:09.040 --> 1:15:10.920 So you're right RhE Island and New Jersey, which those 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:13.280 are not two that I thought would be the ones, 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:16.840 but they are, because you're right. That was New Jersey 1:15:17.000 --> 1:15:21.080 in Taboo, but so in New Mexico they were charged 1:15:21.120 --> 1:15:24.080 with incense. It's a fourth degree felony in New Mexico. 1:15:24.560 --> 1:15:28.439 They both ended up accepting no contest plea deals where 1:15:28.479 --> 1:15:31.000 they agreed to not have contact for eighteen months, and 1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:33.760 after eighteen months they were allowed to have contact. 1:15:33.439 --> 1:15:37.160 But not a sexual relationship. Like after Jersey. 1:15:37.520 --> 1:15:39.559 Yeah, but yeah, but I guess they have to move 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:42.600 to New Jersey. But I tried to find updates on 1:15:42.680 --> 1:15:45.760 them because this was like very it was very tabloid, 1:15:46.320 --> 1:15:49.719 and there's no update on this couple. But this Salon 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:52.920 article was written in response to this case because the 1:15:52.960 --> 1:15:54.519 case was written up in the Daily Mail and a 1:15:54.560 --> 1:15:57.439 couple other blogs picked it up to more tabloidy kind 1:15:57.479 --> 1:16:00.720 of websites, and the author posts pushed back on it 1:16:00.800 --> 1:16:03.160 being a real thing. She's like, there's literally no research 1:16:03.240 --> 1:16:06.080 on it. It's a lot of like bullshit dressed up 1:16:06.080 --> 1:16:09.200 as a phenomenon quote unquote. But the majority of GSA 1:16:09.320 --> 1:16:12.479 cases are reported by tabloids because the subject is so taboo, 1:16:13.120 --> 1:16:16.120 and so I don't know if it's like no one's 1:16:16.160 --> 1:16:19.200 done the research. But she says even the woman who 1:16:19.320 --> 1:16:25.880 coined the phrase, Barbara Gagno like she her son did 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:29.120 not reciprocate those feelings, so like it makes it seem 1:16:29.240 --> 1:16:31.920 like it's not like it's an un like you know, 1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:35.479 it's not like an unfightable desire phenomenon that like just 1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:36.000 comes on. 1:16:36.200 --> 1:16:38.200 It's like it happens for certain people. 1:16:39.000 --> 1:16:41.439 And I don't know. I thought in this one about 1:16:41.439 --> 1:16:44.120 New Mexico, it's like the boy that she gave up, Caleb. 1:16:44.200 --> 1:16:45.720 I mean, at that point, he's nineteen, he's a man. 1:16:46.160 --> 1:16:49.920 He was like always in foster care and then he said, 1:16:50.320 --> 1:16:51.920 no one ever cared about me my whole life. And 1:16:51.960 --> 1:16:54.719 then he meets his birth mom and she's like cooking 1:16:54.760 --> 1:16:56.519 food for him, and he just like feels loved for 1:16:56.600 --> 1:16:59.200 the first time. And I think she took advantage of 1:16:59.240 --> 1:17:01.840 that to be on like between That's my sense of it, 1:17:02.439 --> 1:17:04.320 because it's like it is a mental thing. I don't 1:17:04.360 --> 1:17:08.320 think it's like a I don't think it's like a genetic. 1:17:08.320 --> 1:17:11.040 I don't think it's like an internal like Wow, I've 1:17:11.120 --> 1:17:13.800 been I've been running around acting like it was fact, 1:17:14.600 --> 1:17:18.439 and I think it's I think it happens, yeah, but 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:22.320 like but you can say, instead of this happens, it 1:17:22.360 --> 1:17:27.160 can be like this can occur. Yes, But we talked 1:17:27.560 --> 1:17:31.519 just now to We talked to our guests today about 1:17:31.920 --> 1:17:33.640 talking to someone on the plane who said that they 1:17:33.680 --> 1:17:37.880 were sexually attracted to themselves. Right, it's like I've never 1:17:37.960 --> 1:17:43.000 heard that specifically diagnosed. But also what they were saying 1:17:43.000 --> 1:17:45.560 in a lot of this research is sexual attraction is 1:17:45.720 --> 1:17:49.240 so complex, Like it's so to even be able to 1:17:50.120 --> 1:17:54.080 pinpoint and say, oh, this is a disorder or a 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:57.599 syndrome or a diagnosis is like so difficult because that's 1:17:57.600 --> 1:18:00.800 such a complex thing. And it feels like people have 1:18:00.880 --> 1:18:02.960 tried to put genetic sexual attraction on it when some 1:18:03.200 --> 1:18:06.479 in some cases it feels like it's just feelings only 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:07.759 from one side or whatever. 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:10.840 I don't know, but but for it, like it's just 1:18:11.080 --> 1:18:14.880 so wild to be like, so, I guess the son 1:18:14.960 --> 1:18:17.320 I've been reunited with doesn't want to fuck me, and 1:18:17.720 --> 1:18:18.920 something must be wrong with him. 1:18:19.320 --> 1:18:22.839 Yeah, there's a sit but also something is like in taboo, 1:18:23.520 --> 1:18:26.120 it's like this man is a predator, like he is 1:18:26.640 --> 1:18:28.800 like he's grooming her like I love you, I'm the 1:18:28.880 --> 1:18:31.040 only one that loves you, or whatever, to the point 1:18:31.080 --> 1:18:32.560 that he won't even put on a fucking condom and 1:18:32.600 --> 1:18:37.719 just keeps impregnating her. You know, he's diabolical, So okay, 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:42.880 that's that on genetic sexual attraction. And then obviously this 1:18:43.120 --> 1:18:46.080 is based on like, you know, sperm donors in general. 1:18:46.360 --> 1:18:53.280 And right at the time of this episode twenty twelve, 1:18:54.040 --> 1:18:57.320 right the year before, there was a special that came 1:18:57.360 --> 1:19:00.719 out that sort of I think in warms this episode 1:19:00.720 --> 1:19:01.080 a little bit. 1:19:01.200 --> 1:19:01.240 So. 1:19:01.760 --> 1:19:06.000 Ben Seisler was a man who uh Time magazine calls 1:19:06.080 --> 1:19:11.000 a genetic prince charming, tall, athletic, smart, handsome, jewish. Okay, 1:19:11.800 --> 1:19:16.599 he gave to spermed clinics in both Boston and Virginia 1:19:16.720 --> 1:19:18.639 to help pay his way through college and law school. 1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:21.560 So over the course of you know years, and in 1:19:21.680 --> 1:19:24.639 two thousand and five, he decided to plug his number 1:19:25.240 --> 1:19:28.320 into you know, donor one forty one, similar into the 1:19:28.439 --> 1:19:31.920 Donor Sibling Registry, and he ended up discovering in the 1:19:32.160 --> 1:19:36.680 end that he'd fathered over seventy children, though based on 1:19:36.920 --> 1:19:39.360 his estimates of how much he donated, he thought the 1:19:39.439 --> 1:19:43.599 number might be closer to one forty. So he broke 1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:47.600 the news to his fiance about this on camera for 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:52.519 a docuseries called Style Exposed colon Sperm Donor, which was 1:19:53.080 --> 1:19:57.479 you Guessed It on the Style Channel, which doesn't even exist. 1:19:57.560 --> 1:19:58.640 An he was wondering what. 1:19:59.160 --> 1:20:01.040 I tried to find the video. I tried to find 1:20:01.080 --> 1:20:03.439 the video of it. If there's any super salutes that 1:20:03.479 --> 1:20:06.560 are good at like going on those deep web websites 1:20:06.640 --> 1:20:08.760 like or the way Back Machine, but like I could 1:20:08.800 --> 1:20:12.080 not find any video clips of it. But he does 1:20:12.160 --> 1:20:13.440 this like reality. 1:20:14.840 --> 1:20:18.000 To give me a secret on the Style Network life, 1:20:18.160 --> 1:20:22.280 I would, I mean, can you Jenny Jones murder situation? 1:20:22.640 --> 1:20:26.080 Yeah, she was obviously furious. She still did marry him. 1:20:26.240 --> 1:20:30.719 They still did get married, and you know, like around 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:31.960 this time, there's like a lot. 1:20:32.080 --> 1:20:33.800 I think the sperm bank of it all is far 1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:37.320 like that's not my issue. I think it's a dot, 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:40.000 like a surprise reveal on a on camera. 1:20:40.520 --> 1:20:42.800 Yeah, well, what's like, what's weird is like I don't 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:44.280 know how long he was with his girl, but he 1:20:44.400 --> 1:20:46.240 knew in two thousand and five that he had fathered 1:20:46.280 --> 1:20:48.799 all these kids, and like the doc is in twenty eleven, 1:20:49.040 --> 1:20:50.639 and it took him six y Like he didn't tell 1:20:50.680 --> 1:20:53.880 his He didn't tell his Beyonce until the show or 1:20:53.960 --> 1:20:56.680 the doc documentary. I think it was just like a 1:20:56.760 --> 1:21:01.839 one part special or whatever. But the man so basically 1:21:02.200 --> 1:21:05.160 at this time, people are hearing about these kinds of things, 1:21:05.200 --> 1:21:07.280 like there's a man in Britain who donated for over 1:21:07.439 --> 1:21:10.360 thirty years who fathered more than a thousand children apparently, 1:21:10.720 --> 1:21:13.320 which ended up causing Britain to restrict the number of 1:21:13.439 --> 1:21:16.439 child children that a donor can have, including their own, 1:21:16.920 --> 1:21:21.880 to ten. The FDA in the United States has no 1:21:22.040 --> 1:21:24.000 limits on the number of offspring a donor may have, 1:21:24.160 --> 1:21:26.120 but most sperm banks say that they limit it to 1:21:26.200 --> 1:21:29.920 twenty five or thirty children. But they have no way 1:21:29.960 --> 1:21:31.879 of tracking if a man goes to a different facility 1:21:31.960 --> 1:21:34.600 to donate, like especially across state lines, like they have 1:21:34.800 --> 1:21:35.800 no way of tracking. 1:21:35.880 --> 1:21:37.920 Now, yeah, I am actually now curious. How many of 1:21:38.000 --> 1:21:42.559 these people are like John Stamo's episode of Breeder Freaks, 1:21:42.800 --> 1:21:46.400 reproductive abusers. Yeah, that are like addicted and just like 1:21:46.760 --> 1:21:47.760 sperm everywhere. 1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:51.280 Okay, Well, this guy Seizler, he said in the Style 1:21:51.400 --> 1:21:54.280 Channel show. He explained what motivated him because he ended 1:21:54.360 --> 1:21:57.080 up reaching out to a bunch of his genetic offspring 1:21:57.280 --> 1:22:01.920 and talking to them and he said he quote he 1:22:01.920 --> 1:22:04.599 said quote, I wanted to be available for these families, 1:22:04.640 --> 1:22:07.360 to be a resource for them. He said, I'm curious 1:22:07.400 --> 1:22:09.120 as to what these kids are like. But I'm not 1:22:09.240 --> 1:22:10.639 looking for anything from them. 1:22:10.920 --> 1:22:11.479 End quote. 1:22:12.400 --> 1:22:14.720 But then when a friend replied to him, well you 1:22:14.800 --> 1:22:18.680 can't be hidden seventy chuck e cheese birthday parties, the 1:22:18.800 --> 1:22:21.799 article said, he bristled and said, they're not my kids. 1:22:21.960 --> 1:22:24.479 I don't see them as my kids. So I think 1:22:24.520 --> 1:22:24.960 he wanted. 1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:27.479 I think he wanted to, in a way be able 1:22:27.560 --> 1:22:30.519 to say, oh, I have this medical condition in my family, 1:22:30.680 --> 1:22:32.840 or I'm good at this sport like I run cross 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:35.559 country or whatever like that stuff is just to give 1:22:35.600 --> 1:22:36.160 these kids. 1:22:36.560 --> 1:22:40.439 If he's being sincere, maybe he just wanted to offer 1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:42.320 up any if the kids needed something, you know what 1:22:42.400 --> 1:22:45.400 I mean? Yes, yeah, oh you know what movie I love? 1:22:45.439 --> 1:22:47.280 The kids are all right? We didn't talk about that. 1:22:47.400 --> 1:22:51.439 Oh yeah, I do love that movie. That's another thing 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:56.720 that could happen. Maybe that's a syndrome. Yeah, lesbian guard 1:22:56.800 --> 1:22:58.800 fall in love with a birth parent. Yeah, I mean 1:22:58.840 --> 1:23:04.920 the bioparent. So basically, I think because this style thing 1:23:04.960 --> 1:23:07.519 had just came out and like people are talking about 1:23:08.040 --> 1:23:11.840 like also in twenty ten, there was a documentary called 1:23:11.920 --> 1:23:17.880 Donor Unknown that was about a girl going to find 1:23:17.960 --> 1:23:20.800 her sperm donor father who she only knows as donor 1:23:20.880 --> 1:23:25.400 one fifty, and she made this movie about it that 1:23:25.600 --> 1:23:29.960 like got Some Got Some, like one Best the Tribeca 1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:32.559 Online Film Festival best for Best Feature Film and stuff 1:23:32.600 --> 1:23:34.280 like it won a couple of awards. 1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:36.240 So it's in the it's in the conversation. 1:23:36.360 --> 1:23:38.639 There's this guy on the Style channel, there's this doc 1:23:39.080 --> 1:23:42.000 like people are talking about sperm donors, and so I'm 1:23:42.040 --> 1:23:44.519 sure like SVU got the But one of the part 1:23:44.560 --> 1:23:46.720 of the problem with the sperm donors is that the 1:23:46.800 --> 1:23:50.639 late stage capitalism of it all caught onto sperm donation industry, 1:23:50.760 --> 1:23:53.479 where sperm donors are hard to find. I guess like 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:55.960 I had this vision in the eighties that like you 1:23:56.000 --> 1:23:57.920 could just maybe it's blood, but I thought you could 1:23:58.000 --> 1:23:59.960 just like go in and jerk off into a cup 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:01.640 and get twenty five dollars like I always thought it 1:24:01.680 --> 1:24:05.240 like wasn't even lucrative to do it for men, like 1:24:05.320 --> 1:24:07.560 I know, like being an egg donor is like is 1:24:07.720 --> 1:24:10.000 I've known of I've had friends of friends who have 1:24:10.120 --> 1:24:12.360 done it, like to help pay for college and stuff, 1:24:12.360 --> 1:24:16.800 because it's quite lucrative. But basically sperm donors are hard 1:24:16.880 --> 1:24:19.560 to find and the good ones like they have to 1:24:19.600 --> 1:24:22.280 be medically cleared, you know, and then obviously people are 1:24:22.400 --> 1:24:28.080 doing like lesbian Rollinson and Benson are trying to like 1:24:28.400 --> 1:24:31.760 go after these specific profiles and education and this and that. 1:24:32.360 --> 1:24:35.120 So apparently a lot of the banks would require guys 1:24:35.200 --> 1:24:38.640 that were cleared and desirable to donate like once a 1:24:38.760 --> 1:24:42.439 week for their first year of being part of the bank, 1:24:42.560 --> 1:24:45.439 like donating a lot. And that's why fathering like one 1:24:45.520 --> 1:24:48.640 hundred plus kids can happen. Like I personally know a 1:24:48.680 --> 1:24:51.040 guy who donated sperm and then found a Facebook group 1:24:51.200 --> 1:24:53.400 of women that he had and he was he had 1:24:53.479 --> 1:24:56.599 fathered I believe in the teens, like he had fathered 1:24:56.680 --> 1:24:57.400 many many kids. 1:24:57.920 --> 1:25:01.000 Well, isn't Richard Hatch from surviv Like there's a bunch 1:25:01.040 --> 1:25:04.240 of Hatch babies. There's gonna be a documentary about that, 1:25:04.400 --> 1:25:06.800 I think too. Yeah, or someone just told me that 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:09.360 about their deep personal friend and I just revealed it. 1:25:09.560 --> 1:25:12.439 But no, no, no, Richard Hatched if I ever winner 1:25:12.600 --> 1:25:15.120 revealed he was a prolific sperm donor in the eighties 1:25:15.200 --> 1:25:17.240 and estimates he may have bothered up to two hundred 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:21.920 children and also in Virginia where he was donating whoa 1:25:22.960 --> 1:25:25.320 and then he said, also he connected with some children 1:25:25.640 --> 1:25:28.040 via the Donor Sibling Registry. 1:25:28.520 --> 1:25:31.120 Yeah, I wonder if the model will change. Like that's 1:25:31.160 --> 1:25:31.439 the thing. 1:25:31.520 --> 1:25:34.000 We don't think about these kids because sometimes in my 1:25:34.120 --> 1:25:36.479 feet it'll show up, like kids that are pissed they 1:25:36.479 --> 1:25:40.840 were adopted, and uh, it's like a perspective we don't 1:25:40.880 --> 1:25:41.320 think about. 1:25:41.320 --> 1:25:43.280 It's so much of like, oh, I want to be 1:25:43.320 --> 1:25:44.639 a parent. I want to be a parent. 1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:48.879 It's like, okay, well it seems like some twisted shit happens, 1:25:49.800 --> 1:25:51.880 like we're not thinking about the kids. Like most people 1:25:51.920 --> 1:25:58.000 don't really think about kids as people. Yeah, they really don't. 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:02.800 I yeah, yeah, I mean a lot of this Richard 1:26:02.880 --> 1:26:05.880 Hatch stuff started coming out in twenty thirteen, so like 1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:09.400 a little bit after this episode, you know, Like, but 1:26:10.640 --> 1:26:13.080 it was I think in the third in the teens, 1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:16.960 it was people were talking about it a lot, and 1:26:17.120 --> 1:26:20.439 like finding out that as the science improves, it's just 1:26:20.520 --> 1:26:22.960 like also, like there was a woman in one of 1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:26.519 the articles I read with Ben Seisler who had like twins, 1:26:26.840 --> 1:26:30.160 she had twins with his sperm, and she's like, I 1:26:30.360 --> 1:26:32.560 know that he has other kids in the area of 1:26:32.640 --> 1:26:35.519 Quebec that I live in. And I have to keep 1:26:35.600 --> 1:26:37.880 I have to track them, like if you if he 1:26:37.960 --> 1:26:39.320 does have one hundred and forty kids and a lot 1:26:39.320 --> 1:26:41.320 of them are in the Boston or the Virginia area. 1:26:41.840 --> 1:26:43.680 You got to make sure that your kids don't end 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:46.800 up like dating their brother half brothers and sisters, you know, 1:26:47.920 --> 1:26:51.880 which I know people have also found out. So nothing 1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:55.720 quite as wild as what Dawson gets up to in 1:26:55.800 --> 1:26:59.639 this episode, but still some crazy stuff. 1:26:59.800 --> 1:27:04.280 But uh, but yeah, we have an awesome guest, so 1:27:05.040 --> 1:27:05.799 don't go anywhere. 1:27:13.479 --> 1:27:16.360 Our guest today is an actor you may know best 1:27:16.479 --> 1:27:18.719 for his leading roles on shows like Without a Trace 1:27:18.800 --> 1:27:22.639 in Nashville, but you know him today as prolific sperm 1:27:22.720 --> 1:27:27.800 donor and framed rapist Colin Barnes. Please enjoy our conversation 1:27:28.080 --> 1:27:29.160 with Eric Close. 1:27:29.920 --> 1:27:31.880 Welcome, Eric, Welcome. 1:27:31.640 --> 1:27:33.240 Thank you, thanks for having me. Appreciate it. 1:27:33.479 --> 1:27:36.920 Yeah watching me? Yep, So you watch the episode? What 1:27:37.040 --> 1:27:39.920 are your what are some like top of mind thoughts 1:27:39.960 --> 1:27:40.719 as you were watching? 1:27:41.600 --> 1:27:44.280 Well, so, first of all, one thing you got it 1:27:44.560 --> 1:27:46.759 was cool is I had not seen that episode. 1:27:47.120 --> 1:27:47.360 Nice? 1:27:47.479 --> 1:27:51.400 No, I know, so I don't always watch everything I do, 1:27:51.720 --> 1:27:53.920 And I was actually talking to my daughters about that 1:27:54.040 --> 1:27:56.479 this morning, I was like, yeah, I didn't even see 1:27:56.560 --> 1:27:59.040 this episode, and there's like episodes as suits I haven't 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:02.200 seen and without a trace, et cetera. So it was 1:28:02.280 --> 1:28:04.760 really fun to watch it. And I was like, dang, 1:28:04.880 --> 1:28:06.960 I was in pretty good shake back shape back then. 1:28:10.040 --> 1:28:12.280 So it was really fun to watch. And you know, 1:28:13.040 --> 1:28:15.320 I'll get this out of the way quickly. It was 1:28:15.600 --> 1:28:19.000 a bit sad to see James Vanderbeek in the episode 1:28:19.080 --> 1:28:21.720 because I knew James and I forgot that he was 1:28:21.760 --> 1:28:24.960 in the episode, and and because I had sent him 1:28:25.000 --> 1:28:26.840 a text a while back when I when he first 1:28:27.000 --> 1:28:29.679 got sick, and and uh, and I was kept remembering 1:28:29.680 --> 1:28:31.559 how did I get his number? And then I remember 1:28:31.600 --> 1:28:34.439 it was because we had worked together way back in 1:28:34.479 --> 1:28:36.680 the day on mckinna up here in Oregon, and then 1:28:36.720 --> 1:28:40.439 we worked on SUU and so we had reconnected. So anyway, 1:28:40.600 --> 1:28:42.760 just rest in peace, James. But it was good to 1:28:42.760 --> 1:28:44.840 see him, Yeah on the episode last night. 1:28:45.479 --> 1:28:47.960 Yeah, day for coming and talking about this one. We 1:28:48.040 --> 1:28:51.479 thought it would be like we would definitely mention him, and. 1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:55.560 Yeah, yeah, we'll definitely honor his legacy when we do 1:28:55.720 --> 1:28:58.120 when we record the rest of the episode. I mean, 1:28:58.520 --> 1:29:01.479 but when you do you remember we're like getting the 1:29:01.520 --> 1:29:05.760 script for this and just thinking, wow, SVU has just 1:29:05.960 --> 1:29:07.479 really out svu'ed itself. 1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:09.200 I mean, this episode is so wild. 1:29:10.080 --> 1:29:12.920 Like my quote from tomorrow, it's somebody raped your donor 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:14.960 daughters and did it in your name, and it's like, 1:29:15.320 --> 1:29:16.400 what a wild episode. 1:29:17.640 --> 1:29:17.880 Yeah. 1:29:18.400 --> 1:29:23.439 So when I first got the episode, I uh, you know, 1:29:23.640 --> 1:29:25.679 I always read it and make sure I'm like, Okay, 1:29:25.800 --> 1:29:29.000 this is a little out there, right, but I love 1:29:29.080 --> 1:29:32.519 the twist in it. And uh, I was excited to 1:29:32.560 --> 1:29:35.439 work with Marishka. I'd known her for a long time 1:29:35.479 --> 1:29:36.840 and get an a chance to work with her, so 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:40.360 and I like, I mean one of the things about 1:29:40.479 --> 1:29:44.240 SVU is these cases come up and these these weird 1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:48.080 syndromes that people have and are yeah you know what 1:29:48.120 --> 1:29:50.960 I'm saying, and this was this one was out there. 1:29:51.000 --> 1:29:55.000 I was like, Okay, that's really crazy, but it's a 1:29:55.080 --> 1:29:58.000 real thing, which sure is unfortunate, but it is. Yeah. 1:29:58.080 --> 1:30:03.320 Yeah, genetic sexual attraction. It's definitely out there. And there's 1:30:03.320 --> 1:30:05.439 a few s views on the topic. I would say 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:09.720 we were expert level now on Oh well, I just a. 1:30:09.760 --> 1:30:11.920 Quick side note. I met this lady on an airplane 1:30:11.960 --> 1:30:14.960 one time, but told me that her husband he's now 1:30:15.120 --> 1:30:18.960 passed away because he killed himself. But he had a 1:30:19.120 --> 1:30:24.040 sexual attraction to himself, so almost like I don't know 1:30:24.040 --> 1:30:26.240 if you remember in Sound Slams when Buffalo. 1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:30.400 Bill was like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, he got of. 1:30:30.360 --> 1:30:33.120 Getting up himself. So this guy had this crazy thing 1:30:33.160 --> 1:30:36.080 where he was attracted to himself, and he tried everything 1:30:36.160 --> 1:30:38.800 to try and get away from it. He got prostitutes, 1:30:38.840 --> 1:30:40.920 et cetera, et cetera, and he was so depressed by 1:30:40.960 --> 1:30:42.720 it he went out and ended up ending his life, 1:30:42.720 --> 1:30:44.840 which is really sad. But I never heard of such. 1:30:44.960 --> 1:30:46.080 I've never liked that, heard of that. 1:30:47.240 --> 1:30:48.680 I mean, we all liked you know, we all look 1:30:48.680 --> 1:30:50.160 at ourselves in the mirror kind of go aah, look 1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:52.240 good today. Whatever. Yeah, that's that's like a. 1:30:52.240 --> 1:30:54.120 Whole other level, a whole other level. 1:30:54.200 --> 1:30:54.400 Wow. 1:30:54.520 --> 1:30:57.120 We got to google that, and I want to read 1:30:57.240 --> 1:31:01.040 more about it because maybe you could handle it. 1:31:01.960 --> 1:31:05.280 Maybe. So how did you how did you guys. 1:31:05.160 --> 1:31:06.559 Start talking about that on the plane? 1:31:07.320 --> 1:31:07.479 Yeah? 1:31:07.479 --> 1:31:08.160 I know, how does the. 1:31:10.479 --> 1:31:14.599 I Okay, for some reason, I have this thing where 1:31:14.640 --> 1:31:15.559 people just open up. 1:31:15.479 --> 1:31:16.960 To time's going to say, you kind of have one 1:31:17.000 --> 1:31:18.800 of those faces. I feel like where someone's like, you 1:31:18.880 --> 1:31:20.639 know what, I'm going to tell you about my husband's 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:22.559 weird sexual thing. 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:28.519 Yes, yes, and uh it's a long story. But she 1:31:28.640 --> 1:31:30.560 overheard me on a zoom call with a bunch of 1:31:30.640 --> 1:31:33.840 friends and we were talking about I think we were 1:31:33.880 --> 1:31:37.040 talking about prayer actually, and she said prayer is really 1:31:37.080 --> 1:31:39.200 important and then I go, oh, why is that? And 1:31:39.280 --> 1:31:42.280 then she told me about this thing that how prayer 1:31:42.400 --> 1:31:44.479 got her through all this trauma that she had and whatever. 1:31:44.600 --> 1:31:45.960 That's but that's what it happened. 1:31:46.080 --> 1:31:49.080 She was waiting to tell the door in that moment. 1:31:49.640 --> 1:31:53.719 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, I've just met I've met people. 1:31:54.479 --> 1:31:56.600 I have flown all over the world and I have 1:31:56.720 --> 1:31:59.479 met people, and yes, people have shared some pretty crazy 1:31:59.520 --> 1:32:02.439 stuff with me that because I'm a stranger, it's almost 1:32:02.479 --> 1:32:04.080 like going to the therapist's office. They're never going to 1:32:04.120 --> 1:32:05.559 see me again. And you know, a lot of times 1:32:05.560 --> 1:32:08.240 they don't know what I do, so they're just like, oh, yeah, 1:32:08.320 --> 1:32:12.080 so I did this and that. I'm like, oh wow, okay, crazy. 1:32:12.720 --> 1:32:13.439 Yeah yeah yeah. 1:32:14.720 --> 1:32:17.880 So you do you remember like being like shooting this 1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:19.680 episode of the show, because I know this is like 1:32:19.760 --> 1:32:22.240 one episode of television and a long career that you've had, 1:32:22.320 --> 1:32:24.400 and you were on like one hundred and sixty something 1:32:24.439 --> 1:32:26.400 episodes of Without a Trace. You've done a lot of 1:32:26.880 --> 1:32:30.200 but do you remember, like because this is season thirteen, 1:32:30.360 --> 1:32:33.040 this is like the first episode without Christopher Maloney. This, 1:32:33.320 --> 1:32:36.280 you know, so you got onto a post Maloney set, 1:32:36.760 --> 1:32:39.560 and I was just wondering if you know there was 1:32:39.640 --> 1:32:43.080 a vibe anything you picked up on. Marishka's in charge now, 1:32:43.240 --> 1:32:45.240 but you've known her, I guess previously. 1:32:45.360 --> 1:32:48.760 Yeah, yeah, No, she's certainly. She's certainly in charge. One 1:32:48.800 --> 1:32:52.120 things I'll tell you about Marishka is after all those 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:55.800 seasons that she's been on it, she still was so 1:32:56.400 --> 1:32:59.160 all in. Like there was no phoning to day in. 1:32:59.479 --> 1:33:01.360 It wasn't like, oh I just my thirteenth season. 1:33:01.800 --> 1:33:02.240 She was in. 1:33:02.560 --> 1:33:05.680 She wanted to rehearse, She cared about the development of 1:33:05.720 --> 1:33:07.840 each character. We would talk it out. I mean, I 1:33:08.040 --> 1:33:10.479 was really impressed, to be honestly, because I've done enough television, 1:33:10.720 --> 1:33:13.400 you know, serious television, to tell you there's times you're 1:33:13.439 --> 1:33:15.840 just kind of in burnout mode, you know, like let's 1:33:15.880 --> 1:33:18.080 just get the day over, And that's not Marishka. I 1:33:18.240 --> 1:33:21.040 was really impressed by her and she treated me really 1:33:21.120 --> 1:33:23.320 well and we hadn't seen each other in a long time. 1:33:24.000 --> 1:33:28.920 If we have time, I'll share a Marishka's story later time. Yeah, okay, cool, cool, 1:33:30.360 --> 1:33:33.519 But I was bombed that Maloney wasn't there because he 1:33:33.560 --> 1:33:35.680 and I were an acting class way back in the day. 1:33:36.120 --> 1:33:39.320 Really yeah, and Howard Find's studio and he was he 1:33:39.520 --> 1:33:41.840 was already a forest back then in class. He was 1:33:41.920 --> 1:33:44.639 so intense and I just remember going, man, this guy's 1:33:45.120 --> 1:33:47.200 he just has an intense city, because you know, I mean, 1:33:47.240 --> 1:33:50.479 he's yeah, he's uh, he's serious and uh. I think 1:33:51.280 --> 1:33:53.439 my first thing I remember him going on to after 1:33:53.560 --> 1:33:56.640 that was I think he was in prison break in 1:33:56.720 --> 1:33:58.320 the TV series right. 1:33:58.360 --> 1:34:00.559 With Amari Od. 1:34:01.560 --> 1:34:05.559 I mean, O, yeah, yeah, there's jail. Yeah yeah, yeah, 1:34:06.000 --> 1:34:09.479 yeah he was. He was great in that. So it 1:34:09.600 --> 1:34:11.080 was just cool. It was cool to see people from 1:34:11.160 --> 1:34:13.800 class break out and do well like Scott Wolf, and 1:34:13.840 --> 1:34:17.200 there's other people I could mention, but yeah, are you gonna. 1:34:16.960 --> 1:34:19.800 Have you seen on Instagram the trend of like hey dad, 1:34:19.880 --> 1:34:21.240 what were you like in the nineties? 1:34:21.479 --> 1:34:22.519 And then have you seen this? 1:34:23.479 --> 1:34:25.800 And then it's too a whole song, so all like 1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:28.360 Scott Wolf did, that's whatever reminded me. Scott Wolf did it. 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:32.280 Devin Sawa posted one today like oh, and it's like, oh, 1:34:32.479 --> 1:34:34.960 Jonathan Taylor Thomas like dad, what were you like in 1:34:35.040 --> 1:34:35.519 the nineties? 1:34:35.520 --> 1:34:36.320 And it's a cool song. 1:34:36.360 --> 1:34:39.839 And then people are posting their like nineties hatty photos. 1:34:40.320 --> 1:34:44.280 Jillian andersaid, like, yeah, I saw Sharon Stone doing. 1:34:44.200 --> 1:34:47.519 You have to jump on the trend all right, I'll 1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:48.040 check it out. 1:34:48.880 --> 1:34:52.599 Trend is your ninety so fine, get your haughty nineties picks. 1:34:52.640 --> 1:34:54.920 Well I saw doing research of you. You have two 1:34:55.040 --> 1:34:57.519 daughters that are like in their twenties or something, right, 1:34:57.680 --> 1:34:59.360 so maybe one of them help. 1:34:59.200 --> 1:35:03.200 You with the yeah process, Yeah, they're they're on top 1:35:03.240 --> 1:35:07.000 of it. Skot Wolf's great at it. He knows he's 1:35:07.040 --> 1:35:09.160 all he's on top of it. He knows what he's doing. 1:35:09.280 --> 1:35:12.920 But yeah, yeah, heavy daughters. Also, that was a bit 1:35:12.960 --> 1:35:15.320 of a trip watching that episode and uh. 1:35:15.240 --> 1:35:17.479 Oh yeah, because you're like a you're like a girl 1:35:17.600 --> 1:35:19.040 dad that It must have been crazy. 1:35:19.760 --> 1:35:22.320 Yeah, it was out there. But the girls, I'm like, 1:35:22.360 --> 1:35:25.160 what are you guys doing? I mean it was really wild. 1:35:25.280 --> 1:35:26.760 Like some of the girls like I just want I 1:35:26.840 --> 1:35:28.800 knew he was my dad, but I wanted to be 1:35:28.880 --> 1:35:33.479 what I was like, Okay, this is that's the genetic attraction. Yeah, yeah, 1:35:33.520 --> 1:35:34.080 which I didn't but. 1:35:34.160 --> 1:35:36.200 It's not because then none of them are really he's 1:35:36.240 --> 1:35:37.280 not any of their dads. 1:35:38.200 --> 1:35:38.400 Yeah. 1:35:38.400 --> 1:35:39.640 I think it's it's like a. 1:35:40.479 --> 1:35:43.160 It's a mindset. It's a mental I mean like B. D. 1:35:43.280 --> 1:35:45.639 Wong was talking about his character was talking about how 1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:49.120 how the even like siblings that were separated at birth 1:35:49.160 --> 1:35:50.880 and then they come back, they suddenly have some sort 1:35:50.920 --> 1:35:51.360 of attraction. 1:35:51.400 --> 1:35:53.320 I'm like, Wow, it's weird because it's like an intense 1:35:53.439 --> 1:35:57.160 like closeness that then can like I think wires get crossed, 1:35:57.320 --> 1:35:59.640 But what do you get recognized more? 1:35:59.720 --> 1:36:02.599 For the most like you do you get stopped around? 1:36:03.960 --> 1:36:07.000 Well, lately the last couple of years has been Suits 1:36:07.080 --> 1:36:09.400 because it came out on uh Netflix. 1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:11.599 Yeah, it's found a new audience. 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:15.640 It sure has. As a matter of fact, there's a 1:36:15.880 --> 1:36:18.640 lady here painting our house and yesterday I walk in 1:36:18.720 --> 1:36:22.360 and she's like, oh my gosh, like I didn't know 1:36:22.439 --> 1:36:25.680 you were on Suits, so I didn't even know if 1:36:25.720 --> 1:36:28.719 you're an actor like that, and so so we're cracking. 1:36:28.920 --> 1:36:31.160 She goes, oh, I love that character. And then my 1:36:31.240 --> 1:36:33.200 wife and I were telling her, Oh my gosh, you'd 1:36:33.200 --> 1:36:34.960 just seen it in Italy a couple of years ago. 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:39.560 We went to Italy and we arrived in Florence and 1:36:39.960 --> 1:36:42.559 people are like just coming up to me, going, hey, 1:36:42.760 --> 1:36:43.559 can I get a picture? 1:36:43.760 --> 1:36:44.640 I'm like, what is going on? 1:36:44.840 --> 1:36:46.879 Then we go to Venice and the same thing happens, 1:36:47.280 --> 1:36:51.479 and everywhere we went in Italy, I keep getting like 1:36:51.920 --> 1:36:53.840 people coming up to me and going and they call 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:58.240 it sweets instead of suits. Sweet sweet sweets, sweet sweets, 1:36:58.560 --> 1:37:01.800 and so it was a big deal there, and uh, 1:37:02.560 --> 1:37:04.680 it was really cool because I met people not only 1:37:04.760 --> 1:37:07.439 the Italians, but people from Australia and all over the world. 1:37:07.920 --> 1:37:11.200 It just shows you the reach of Netflix alone and 1:37:11.479 --> 1:37:13.840 just the industry, how it's so global now. 1:37:13.960 --> 1:37:17.679 And I kind of live away like things that came 1:37:17.720 --> 1:37:18.920 out a while ago. 1:37:19.479 --> 1:37:21.559 You can it can find it on you never know when, 1:37:21.840 --> 1:37:24.320 or like a song and a TV show where like 1:37:24.479 --> 1:37:26.360 with the Kate Bush song and it's a song from 1:37:26.360 --> 1:37:27.439 the eighties and it's. 1:37:27.360 --> 1:37:31.120 Like, correct, Yeah, time doesn't matter, Yeah it doesn't. And 1:37:31.200 --> 1:37:32.840 I would tell people, you know, I shot that show 1:37:32.960 --> 1:37:35.360 ten years ago. I shot Suits ten years ago, and 1:37:35.400 --> 1:37:38.439 there are people are just now discovering it. What's interesting though, 1:37:38.520 --> 1:37:42.479 is us my understanding that Nashville's on Netflix now too, 1:37:42.600 --> 1:37:46.240 but it's not getting the same reaction at least has 1:37:46.280 --> 1:37:46.680 it for me? 1:37:47.000 --> 1:37:47.120 Now? 1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:49.760 Well, it depends and it's not like algorithm with that. 1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:52.120 It's like what Netflix is pushing out to the front 1:37:52.280 --> 1:37:55.439 and like you know, yes, yeah, wait, so you love 1:37:55.520 --> 1:37:56.160 directing or. 1:37:56.160 --> 1:37:59.160 What I do? I do love it? Yeah, it's a 1:37:59.240 --> 1:38:02.960 whole different half. I mean, you're uh, you know, acting, 1:38:03.080 --> 1:38:05.479 You're you're obviously you're work collaborating with the director and 1:38:05.880 --> 1:38:08.080 and your your crew, I mean, the actors that you're 1:38:08.120 --> 1:38:10.400 working with. But that's kind of you know, you're really 1:38:10.439 --> 1:38:13.120 focused on that, and there's a lot of mental time, 1:38:13.200 --> 1:38:15.200 you know, you're trying to focus on your you know, 1:38:15.760 --> 1:38:18.519 a lot of things with it. As a director, you're 1:38:19.360 --> 1:38:22.640 you're collaborating with the entire crew of everybody, all the 1:38:22.720 --> 1:38:27.479 department heads, the studio, the writers, the direct every the producers, everybody. 1:38:27.800 --> 1:38:30.000 So you're you're making lots of you know, hundreds of 1:38:30.040 --> 1:38:32.920 decisions a day, but you're also delegating and saying, hey, 1:38:32.920 --> 1:38:35.040 here's my idea, and you're and you're just trusting all 1:38:35.040 --> 1:38:36.400 these people that are really good at what they do 1:38:36.920 --> 1:38:38.639 to come to you and say here, okay, here's my idea. 1:38:38.800 --> 1:38:40.800 Here's my three best ideas, and you go, okay, I 1:38:40.920 --> 1:38:43.360 like that one, let's go. And so it's really fun. 1:38:43.479 --> 1:38:45.720 I like the intensity of it. You're and you get 1:38:45.760 --> 1:38:48.000 to start the project before the actors show up, and 1:38:48.080 --> 1:38:49.760 then you they all take off, and then at the 1:38:49.880 --> 1:38:52.280 end you're in there with the editor putting it together. 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:54.280 So I like the whole process of it. 1:38:54.400 --> 1:38:58.320 Yeah, jamp have you? And then did you direct episodes 1:38:58.320 --> 1:38:59.160 of TV that you were in? 1:39:00.640 --> 1:39:04.560 Yep? I did Uh Without Trace and Nashville. Yeah, and 1:39:04.600 --> 1:39:07.400 then did some stuff for Hallmark too, which was really fun. 1:39:07.840 --> 1:39:09.760 I really enjoyed that. I did a movie a few 1:39:09.800 --> 1:39:13.240 years ago with Kristin Chenowi and Scott Wolf and they 1:39:13.280 --> 1:39:18.360 were amazing, and Scott I played. I was in it too. 1:39:18.439 --> 1:39:21.439 I played Scott's best friend in the in the movie 1:39:21.800 --> 1:39:24.240 and I directed it, so I wasn't in every scene, 1:39:24.240 --> 1:39:26.400 but it was kind of fun to do both at 1:39:26.400 --> 1:39:26.920 the same time. 1:39:27.320 --> 1:39:31.160 A Christmas love story, that's right, that's right. Yeah, you're 1:39:31.280 --> 1:39:34.160 like a Christmas King. Now are there more? Then? 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:37.519 I don't know, we'll see, you know, maybe they'll maybe 1:39:37.560 --> 1:39:39.479 they maybe they will happen. I hope. So I have 1:39:39.560 --> 1:39:41.800 a great time doing those movies. They're really fun and 1:39:42.080 --> 1:39:44.880 people people love them. They feel good about it. You know, 1:39:45.000 --> 1:39:48.160 it's a it's a nice escape from the daily grind. 1:39:48.439 --> 1:39:52.080 If you were to come back on SVU, what would 1:39:52.080 --> 1:39:52.880 you like to play? 1:39:55.360 --> 1:39:58.600 Oh, I'd love to come back and be uh it 1:39:58.880 --> 1:40:03.240 be one of the investigators a detective or or an 1:40:03.240 --> 1:40:06.320 attorney and wanted to you know, and I whatever. But 1:40:06.640 --> 1:40:08.040 it would be fun. It would be fun to be 1:40:09.280 --> 1:40:11.760 I mean, look, I can't choose, but it would be 1:40:11.800 --> 1:40:15.200 fun to work with those guys and and be you know, 1:40:15.360 --> 1:40:17.960 out chasing the cases again, kind of like I did 1:40:18.040 --> 1:40:18.719 on Without a Trace. 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:21.120 That was Yeah, I used to watch Without a Trace. 1:40:21.160 --> 1:40:23.160 I really liked that show. It's like, I bet we 1:40:23.280 --> 1:40:25.360 have I bet when people listen to this, they're going 1:40:25.400 --> 1:40:28.080 to know you from that too, because it's like it 1:40:28.640 --> 1:40:30.920 felt a little bit a s vwish to me, that show. 1:40:31.280 --> 1:40:33.760 That's like well constructed b more. Yeah. 1:40:35.120 --> 1:40:37.960 Yeah, and we really tried to. We really fought hard 1:40:38.040 --> 1:40:42.560 to give it as much gravitas or you know, in 1:40:43.600 --> 1:40:48.000 reality and you know, a made up kind of division 1:40:48.080 --> 1:40:52.000 of the FBI. So it was it was really cool. 1:40:52.040 --> 1:40:54.600 We had an FBI consultant on set who was a 1:40:54.720 --> 1:40:59.120 twenty seven year FBI you know, he was retired, but 1:40:59.200 --> 1:41:01.040 he was our consultant. His name is Mark. He was 1:41:01.080 --> 1:41:04.040 super cool and very informative and and we fought hard 1:41:04.080 --> 1:41:06.759 to just really make that show good. And I'm proud 1:41:06.760 --> 1:41:11.040 of that show, and everybody was all in. So yeah, yeah, 1:41:11.200 --> 1:41:12.880 I wish it ran longer. It was kind of a 1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:14.880 you know, we we kind of went out on top. 1:41:15.000 --> 1:41:17.160 We were still in the top ten or fifteen of 1:41:17.240 --> 1:41:20.840 shows on TV and when we ended, so it was 1:41:20.920 --> 1:41:22.360 a good way to go. I'm not like, you know, 1:41:22.479 --> 1:41:25.160 down in the bottom, but we could have run longer 1:41:25.240 --> 1:41:25.559 for sure. 1:41:26.280 --> 1:41:29.800 Yeah, Kara is a sister's person. I got to talk 1:41:29.840 --> 1:41:32.400 to you about sisters. I can't believe you are sisters. 1:41:32.560 --> 1:41:34.760 I talk about it on this podcast all the time 1:41:34.840 --> 1:41:39.600 because Patricia Callimber, who plays Georgie was A is a 1:41:39.720 --> 1:41:43.240 judge that recurs on SVU all the time, and Susie 1:41:43.320 --> 1:41:45.600 Kurtz is a judge. Zoosie Kurtz is a judge, is 1:41:45.640 --> 1:41:48.400 a bad judge in an episode. And then I don't 1:41:48.400 --> 1:41:50.240 think Seal A Ward has ever done it. But I 1:41:50.320 --> 1:41:52.960 was obviously a Seal Award fan growing up. So your 1:41:53.080 --> 1:41:55.120 care I was trying to look up your character because 1:41:55.120 --> 1:41:56.720 I watched it when I was so young, Like what 1:41:56.920 --> 1:41:58.240 was your character on Sisters? 1:41:58.840 --> 1:42:04.400 So I basically was was, uh George Clinty two point zero. Yeah, 1:42:04.640 --> 1:42:08.799 so George was on there, and I, if I recall correctly, 1:42:08.840 --> 1:42:11.439 he played a cop or something. And then I came 1:42:11.479 --> 1:42:15.040 on and I was a cop okay, and yeah and 1:42:15.360 --> 1:42:19.280 and uh, I was fun. That was like really early 1:42:19.400 --> 1:42:22.320 in my career. And I had kind of a nice 1:42:22.360 --> 1:42:24.760 schedule on that. I was I think I had just 1:42:24.840 --> 1:42:28.240 gotten married. And uh, I loved all of them. They 1:42:28.360 --> 1:42:31.519 really made me feel welcome there, Susie and Seala, all 1:42:31.560 --> 1:42:34.880 of them. And we shot that at we shot that 1:42:34.920 --> 1:42:37.800 at Warner Brothers and the Water Brothers lot. So that 1:42:38.000 --> 1:42:40.800 was that was fun. And you know, you're working with 1:42:41.240 --> 1:42:44.400 you're working with veterans, and they really they kind of 1:42:44.600 --> 1:42:46.600 forced you to up your game, but they also are 1:42:46.640 --> 1:42:49.759 always open to giving you advice. When you're a young actor, 1:42:49.800 --> 1:42:51.479 you know, it's kind of starting it out, and so 1:42:51.760 --> 1:42:53.320 it was a good home and a good place. 1:42:53.160 --> 1:42:53.560 For me to be. 1:42:54.479 --> 1:42:54.679 Yeah. 1:42:54.720 --> 1:42:57.799 I loved that show so much, Like Wow, I don't even. 1:42:57.640 --> 1:42:59.439 Know if I've really talked to anybody who's been. 1:42:59.360 --> 1:43:02.920 On Sisters before. For so, this is exciting, that's awesome. 1:43:03.080 --> 1:43:05.880 I love that you liked that too. Nice. But when 1:43:05.920 --> 1:43:08.120 the show comes up that you know someone's not you know, 1:43:08.160 --> 1:43:10.280 if they're talking about oh it's suits or without Drace, 1:43:10.320 --> 1:43:13.200 but to talk about suits or every once in a while, 1:43:13.240 --> 1:43:15.120 I'll bump into somebody and I'll go, hey, I really 1:43:15.320 --> 1:43:17.000 liked you on this, and it's something that a lot 1:43:17.040 --> 1:43:18.720 of people can talk about. Like I did a mini 1:43:18.800 --> 1:43:22.400 series that Spielberg produced years ago, we called Taken, and 1:43:22.640 --> 1:43:25.080 someone just approached me and they go, oh, my this. 1:43:25.360 --> 1:43:27.960 They said something like, oh, you're on my favorite mini series. 1:43:28.000 --> 1:43:29.240 And I didn't know what they were talking about. And 1:43:29.240 --> 1:43:30.720 then they mentioned I go, oh, yeah, that was a 1:43:30.800 --> 1:43:32.120 great show. I loved you. Yeah. 1:43:32.600 --> 1:43:36.040 Well, I'm just noticing Sisters is in Winnetka, Illinois and wine. 1:43:36.280 --> 1:43:39.479 I'm from Skochie, I think right next door. Yeah, wow, 1:43:39.600 --> 1:43:41.559 all right on, I got to watch some Sisters. You've 1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:43.120 really been working for a long time. 1:43:43.479 --> 1:43:46.920 Congrats, thank you. Yeah, I'm great, I'm very No, No, 1:43:47.040 --> 1:43:50.559 I'm grateful. I'm grateful because we all know it's the Yeah, 1:43:50.680 --> 1:43:53.120 the business is, you know, and it's different right now. Yeah, 1:43:53.439 --> 1:43:55.800 We've we're going through a lot of changes and a 1:43:55.880 --> 1:43:58.800 lot of production is going overseas, and you know, and 1:43:59.360 --> 1:44:03.800 it's there, there's some seismic shifts happening. So I'm grateful 1:44:04.439 --> 1:44:06.760 that I've had the career that I've had and I've 1:44:07.000 --> 1:44:11.680 I've worked with amazing people, and I'm not I was 1:44:11.760 --> 1:44:13.920 not like, oh yeah, it's it's the end, you know, 1:44:14.479 --> 1:44:17.040 but it's it's one of those things where I've just 1:44:17.360 --> 1:44:19.799 been very fortunate work with a lot of really awesome 1:44:19.880 --> 1:44:22.760 people and it's been really fun and just getting to 1:44:22.800 --> 1:44:25.759 tell cool stories and like I said, get to travel 1:44:25.800 --> 1:44:27.640 the world and meet all kinds of and it's not 1:44:27.800 --> 1:44:30.680 just in my industry. It's open doors to go all 1:44:30.720 --> 1:44:33.320 these places and meet all kinds of really interesting people 1:44:33.520 --> 1:44:35.439 that aren't even in the entertainment industry. 1:44:35.560 --> 1:44:38.920 So yeah, but yeah, the more people we talked to 1:44:39.040 --> 1:44:41.360 through this podcast, we just meet more people like you 1:44:41.520 --> 1:44:43.840 who were like had their careers where they lived in 1:44:43.880 --> 1:44:45.960 New York or LA and now are just like I'm 1:44:46.000 --> 1:44:47.640 living where I want to live and then I just 1:44:47.720 --> 1:44:49.080 fly where I gotta fly to go. 1:44:50.040 --> 1:44:50.200 You know. 1:44:50.400 --> 1:44:53.519 Yeah, Well, it's the tape has changed at all. 1:44:53.800 --> 1:44:57.439 Yeah, yeah, and you know it's weird. Bonnie Zan was 1:44:58.200 --> 1:45:01.680 talking about this on Facebook last month. They were just 1:45:01.760 --> 1:45:05.000 talking about how everything went to tape and actors were 1:45:05.080 --> 1:45:08.439 lamenting about missing coming into the room and you know, 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:12.920 getting a chance to you know, have personal interaction. I 1:45:13.040 --> 1:45:16.679 used to love that. You know, it's more nerve racking 1:45:16.720 --> 1:45:19.400 because it's like you're going on stage in front of 1:45:19.520 --> 1:45:21.559 the people that are going to decide whether they give 1:45:21.600 --> 1:45:23.840 you a job or not. But there was something cool 1:45:23.920 --> 1:45:25.640 about Like I remember one time I went in, I 1:45:25.720 --> 1:45:28.519 had a meeting with David Kelly and it wasn't and 1:45:28.640 --> 1:45:31.040 I didn't get the job. I thought I might, but 1:45:31.840 --> 1:45:34.240 I found out that he liked fly fishing and I 1:45:34.400 --> 1:45:36.920 liked flyfish, so we just started talking about fly fishing. 1:45:37.120 --> 1:45:40.200 We talked for almost five minutes, and I remember the 1:45:40.240 --> 1:45:42.160 casting director was kind of like, Okay, are we going 1:45:42.240 --> 1:45:44.200 to do this audition? And then I did it and 1:45:44.240 --> 1:45:46.200 it didn't go any further, but we really we made 1:45:46.200 --> 1:45:47.800 a connection. It was kind of fun, and a lot 1:45:47.840 --> 1:45:51.439 of times it does go your way because you develop 1:45:51.520 --> 1:45:54.479 a rapport and the director or the producer might go 1:45:54.560 --> 1:45:56.280 you know what I'd like to work with this person 1:45:56.360 --> 1:45:59.360 for the potentially the next five to seven years. And 1:46:00.200 --> 1:46:02.800 and so that kind of got that lost, you know. 1:46:02.880 --> 1:46:04.800 And now the cool thing about going on tape is 1:46:04.880 --> 1:46:07.200 you can you know, obviously, you can try and get 1:46:07.280 --> 1:46:09.840 it as good as you can and everything and fine 1:46:09.880 --> 1:46:12.000 tune your performance where you feel good about it. But 1:46:12.600 --> 1:46:14.439 you send it off and that's it. Yeah, you don't 1:46:14.439 --> 1:46:16.400 hear anything. It's like, well, you didn't get the job. 1:46:17.040 --> 1:46:17.920 So it's very different. 1:46:18.880 --> 1:46:21.000 And I mean, don't you think that there's people though 1:46:21.080 --> 1:46:23.720 that can Like, I guess if you can't jump off 1:46:23.760 --> 1:46:27.320 the tape, you're not going to jump off the screen, right. 1:46:28.000 --> 1:46:29.599 I was going to say it feels like you got 1:46:29.680 --> 1:46:31.840 to see people in the room to really feel their energy, 1:46:31.880 --> 1:46:33.320 but I guess that's not really how most people are 1:46:33.320 --> 1:46:34.280 going to be experiencing you. 1:46:35.439 --> 1:46:37.639 No, And I will tell you the truth. When I directed, 1:46:38.800 --> 1:46:41.639 I often cast off a tape because I could see something, 1:46:41.720 --> 1:46:43.320 because that's what you're going to see on the screen. 1:46:43.520 --> 1:46:44.080 Yeah, and. 1:46:45.560 --> 1:46:49.120 So I personally think the room is more for connecting 1:46:49.400 --> 1:46:53.120 to someone just personally. But the tape, you know you're 1:46:53.160 --> 1:46:55.519 going to see, you're going to see a performance and 1:46:55.600 --> 1:46:58.320 it's you know, if the lighting's decent, you're going to 1:46:58.360 --> 1:47:00.439 get a pretty good idea what they look like camera 1:47:00.560 --> 1:47:03.840 and and if they have a sense of a camera 1:47:03.960 --> 1:47:06.040 and how they're you know, it hasn't worked for me, 1:47:06.160 --> 1:47:10.240 but no, it's kidd but it's a different it's such 1:47:10.240 --> 1:47:12.200 a different experience. But that started for me way back 1:47:12.240 --> 1:47:14.800 in almost twenty fifteen. Is like when we even before 1:47:14.800 --> 1:47:17.640 a pandemic, we I started noticing things were going to 1:47:17.720 --> 1:47:21.760 tape more. Yeah, yeah, but it is, it is what 1:47:21.880 --> 1:47:24.000 it is. Maybe someday it'll kind of open back up, 1:47:24.040 --> 1:47:26.720 and you know, because I think it's important. I mean, look, 1:47:26.760 --> 1:47:30.360 the human interaction in general is important, regardless if it's 1:47:30.400 --> 1:47:32.439 like our business. It's like anything like when all these 1:47:32.479 --> 1:47:35.120 people went home worked from home kind of stuff and 1:47:35.320 --> 1:47:38.000 left the office. You know, you want to come together. 1:47:38.080 --> 1:47:41.160 I mean you want it like all the shows we love, 1:47:41.320 --> 1:47:44.360 like Cheers and all these other shows where people came together. 1:47:46.000 --> 1:47:49.519 I mean, the human interactions like super important. 1:47:49.960 --> 1:47:53.479 So I think totally people are coming together over suits now. 1:47:53.520 --> 1:47:57.000 I feel there's right. I mean there's like you know 1:47:57.160 --> 1:47:59.280 we always talk about, there's like not there's not the 1:47:59.320 --> 1:48:02.160 same like water cooler culture of like we're all watching friends, 1:48:02.200 --> 1:48:04.720 We're all watching this. But like then when something really 1:48:04.800 --> 1:48:06.840 hits on Netflix and kind of comes back and people 1:48:06.880 --> 1:48:09.639 are I'm obsessed with them calling it sweets in Italy, 1:48:09.760 --> 1:48:10.400 that's amazing. 1:48:10.840 --> 1:48:13.760 Yeah sweet sweet. So at first I was like, what 1:48:13.880 --> 1:48:17.320 are they talking about? And then did you guys? Have 1:48:17.400 --> 1:48:18.280 you guys watched The Bear? 1:48:18.880 --> 1:48:19.080 Yeah? 1:48:19.520 --> 1:48:23.160 I only watched seasons. I just started it. It's pretty cool, 1:48:23.360 --> 1:48:26.960 so I'm I'm in. I'm into that. But yeah, sweets Is, 1:48:27.080 --> 1:48:32.519 I mean, sweets now now here I go, uh my 1:48:32.680 --> 1:48:35.560 inner Italian's coming Out No Suits Is just was a 1:48:36.000 --> 1:48:38.000 such a cool show. I loved all those guys. I 1:48:40.160 --> 1:48:42.360 worked with every one of them on on without a 1:48:42.439 --> 1:48:46.080 trace other than Gabriel, So I Gabriel was the only 1:48:46.120 --> 1:48:48.799 actor when I came on the show that I hadn't 1:48:48.840 --> 1:48:52.680 met before everybody else so they they I was a 1:48:52.720 --> 1:48:55.960 guest star, but they treated me like, I mean, like 1:48:56.040 --> 1:48:58.080 I was part of the family. After after work, we're 1:48:58.120 --> 1:48:59.960 all ever all going over to Megan's house. We're gonna 1:48:59.960 --> 1:49:02.559 go play Cards against Humanity. So you want to come? 1:49:02.840 --> 1:49:05.280 I'm like, yeah, sure. So that was really fun and 1:49:05.360 --> 1:49:08.960 I felt sorry, I felt really grateful that that's not 1:49:09.040 --> 1:49:11.000 the normal experience, you know, when you come in as 1:49:11.040 --> 1:49:13.960 a guest star. Yeah, that that relationship with the with 1:49:14.120 --> 1:49:16.760 the main cast is already formed, and you know, you 1:49:17.000 --> 1:49:18.400 kind of go home to your hotel room or your 1:49:18.439 --> 1:49:21.040 trailer or whatever, and they were really cool to just 1:49:21.280 --> 1:49:23.280 kind of let me tag along. 1:49:24.240 --> 1:49:27.639 People usually say that. People usually say that about SVU. 1:49:27.800 --> 1:49:30.439 I feel like as well, like even though they're kind 1:49:30.479 --> 1:49:34.120 of running twenty seven seasons now, like they really make. 1:49:34.080 --> 1:49:36.400 The guest stars feel welcome, is what people. 1:49:36.240 --> 1:49:38.680 Look because I think, yeah, I think they understand that 1:49:38.760 --> 1:49:41.280 the guest stars are like that are the ones that 1:49:41.400 --> 1:49:43.360 are the victims really having to. 1:49:43.439 --> 1:49:47.879 Do some emotional stuff. Yes, wasted, Yeah. 1:49:47.840 --> 1:49:50.680 You know, I like I remember Marishka went up. I 1:49:50.840 --> 1:49:53.600 told you I would circle back to Mariska like, so 1:49:54.040 --> 1:49:56.760 I remember being there and she obviously had her big 1:49:56.840 --> 1:50:00.880 cool bus, you know, and she and the other actors 1:50:00.920 --> 1:50:02.559 I was working with, She's like, hey, come on up, 1:50:02.600 --> 1:50:04.720 let's let's rehearse or whatever. So we all just like 1:50:04.880 --> 1:50:07.080 went up and hung out on her bus and and 1:50:07.560 --> 1:50:10.559 rehearsed and talked about some old times, you know stuff. 1:50:10.560 --> 1:50:12.519 Because the story I was going to tell you about 1:50:12.560 --> 1:50:16.400 Marishka was so when I was growing up as a kid, 1:50:16.520 --> 1:50:20.479 John McEnroe was like my hero and uh. And so 1:50:21.200 --> 1:50:23.719 I was obsessed with McEnroe because I was a tennis player. 1:50:23.840 --> 1:50:27.960 And so anyway, we were at this John McEnroe tennis 1:50:28.040 --> 1:50:33.080 event in uh North Ranch in LA and Uh, and 1:50:33.240 --> 1:50:36.360 I was like so excited, thinking, oh, maybe I'll get 1:50:36.360 --> 1:50:38.920 a chance to meet Mack, you know, because he's hosting it. 1:50:39.760 --> 1:50:43.160 So I get there and we end up having a 1:50:43.200 --> 1:50:45.840 little of an interaction and I like totally fan over him. 1:50:45.880 --> 1:50:49.400 I was like silly, but I was like, oh, you're 1:50:49.439 --> 1:50:52.839 my hero. Whatever. It was like embarrassing, but anyway, but anyway, 1:50:54.840 --> 1:50:57.679 that evening, we were getting ready to have dinner after 1:50:57.800 --> 1:51:00.960 the event, and Marishka and I had been talking and 1:51:01.080 --> 1:51:05.360 she comes over and she says, hey, have you uh 1:51:05.600 --> 1:51:09.000 have you met Tatum O'Neill and John Mecker And I go, well, 1:51:09.040 --> 1:51:12.360 I did a little bit, you know earlier, and she goes, well, 1:51:12.360 --> 1:51:13.840 come over, I want their friends. I want you to 1:51:14.360 --> 1:51:16.560 meet them. So she brings me over and I'm like 1:51:16.640 --> 1:51:19.760 hey John, we talk again. And now that there was 1:51:19.800 --> 1:51:22.760 a connection because of Marishka, he was even more cool, 1:51:22.880 --> 1:51:25.960 like open, you know, before I was, And it wasn't 1:51:26.000 --> 1:51:27.439 like he was a jerk to me. He just was, 1:51:27.520 --> 1:51:31.080 you know, I was just anyway. And Tatum was super cool. 1:51:31.120 --> 1:51:33.640 So we chat. We have a really nice time, and 1:51:33.800 --> 1:51:37.040 then later, uh, this is this is like the cocktail hour. 1:51:37.160 --> 1:51:41.240 Then dinner happens and Marishka comes back over and she says, hey, 1:51:41.320 --> 1:51:44.479 do you wanna do you wanna have dinner with John 1:51:44.560 --> 1:51:46.320 and Tatum and I and a group of us are 1:51:46.360 --> 1:51:48.800 at this table. They'd love to have you join. I'm like, 1:51:48.840 --> 1:51:51.280 you serious? So she sits me right next to Mac 1:51:51.360 --> 1:51:53.760 and we had the best night just hanging out and 1:51:54.320 --> 1:51:57.240 talking stories and I'm asking questions about Tennis and I mean, 1:51:57.439 --> 1:51:58.960 I mean, he's one of the greatest of all time, 1:51:59.000 --> 1:52:01.679 and I was. It was I will forever be grateful 1:52:01.720 --> 1:52:05.400 to her because she opened that door and for me 1:52:05.520 --> 1:52:08.320 to meet one of my childhood you know, heroes. So 1:52:08.720 --> 1:52:10.439 that was so thank you, Mariska. 1:52:13.800 --> 1:52:15.160 I'm so glad you remembered. 1:52:16.200 --> 1:52:18.360 Yeah, yeah, I will tell you what a couple of 1:52:18.439 --> 1:52:22.360 things real quick. Rosemary Rodriguez, who directed the episode, Yeah, 1:52:23.240 --> 1:52:25.280 she and I had worked together a bunch on without 1:52:25.320 --> 1:52:29.240 a trace. She's awesome and so to get reunited with 1:52:29.360 --> 1:52:33.000 her was a really cool experience. And she's a fantastic director, 1:52:33.320 --> 1:52:37.280 super passionate and fun. And and then the other thing, 1:52:37.320 --> 1:52:38.720 I was really cool and I didn't know that. I 1:52:38.760 --> 1:52:42.920 didn't expect this to happen is iced Ta and his wife. 1:52:43.000 --> 1:52:45.519 His wife was there a lot with him, and they 1:52:45.560 --> 1:52:48.800 had this big bulldog and I forget the dog's name, 1:52:48.840 --> 1:52:52.840 but anyway, maybe yeah, and he and the three of them, 1:52:53.080 --> 1:52:54.800 I would just go sit in his dressing room and 1:52:54.840 --> 1:52:57.240 we would just hang out and with with he and 1:52:57.320 --> 1:52:59.000 his wife, and they were so cool to me, and 1:52:59.080 --> 1:53:01.320 I was like, I'm hanging with iced Tea. This is 1:53:01.360 --> 1:53:05.120 pretty awesome. So really really made me feel welcome there, 1:53:05.240 --> 1:53:08.559 and and the whole experience was cool. And I appreciate 1:53:08.600 --> 1:53:10.720 you guys doing this because it was fun to go 1:53:10.840 --> 1:53:14.720 back and watch and just and just see it, you know, 1:53:14.920 --> 1:53:16.880 and for the first time too, So it's great. 1:53:16.960 --> 1:53:19.479 Got you we got that an Iced Tea story too. 1:53:20.000 --> 1:53:22.599 You keep giving us some nuggets because we love having 1:53:23.400 --> 1:53:23.720 He was. 1:53:23.800 --> 1:53:25.640 Very Oh they were so they were so cool. I 1:53:25.680 --> 1:53:27.240 didn't you know, you never know what to expect when 1:53:27.280 --> 1:53:29.280 you're there, and the fact that they were that cool 1:53:29.760 --> 1:53:30.839 to just let me hang. 1:53:34.840 --> 1:53:35.519 What a nice man. 1:53:35.960 --> 1:53:38.240 I love how he's just like live in a simple 1:53:38.320 --> 1:53:43.000 life up in Oregon, an early adopter of the Oregon lifestyle. 1:53:43.560 --> 1:53:46.000 Yeah, we had like a row of like not in 1:53:46.120 --> 1:53:48.360 a row, but like a few months of just like rugged, 1:53:48.800 --> 1:53:51.679 rugged guys, cowboy guys. 1:53:53.920 --> 1:53:56.800 They're in the South. They love New Orleans, you know, 1:53:56.880 --> 1:53:59.400 I don't know. Yeah, they love college football. Who do 1:53:59.439 --> 1:54:00.960 we talk to? Like, loved college football. 1:54:01.000 --> 1:54:04.080 Couldn't get enough, couldn't get enough love, the team supported, 1:54:04.120 --> 1:54:04.960 the team had the tickets. 1:54:05.120 --> 1:54:10.639 O casey, oh oh oh kat David Keith, David loves 1:54:10.720 --> 1:54:14.080 University of Tennessee, likes the balls, and he liked a gossip. 1:54:13.800 --> 1:54:14.680 Too, And I love that. 1:54:15.680 --> 1:54:18.160 We love we love a little bit of gossip. I mean, 1:54:18.840 --> 1:54:20.840 I love our guest telling a story about how a 1:54:20.920 --> 1:54:26.040 woman confessed to him on a plane that her husband 1:54:26.240 --> 1:54:28.280 was a or her friend or so who was eight 1:54:28.479 --> 1:54:31.879 was self sexual or something like. That's a big random 1:54:31.960 --> 1:54:33.920 conversation to start with a man you meet on a plane. 1:54:34.440 --> 1:54:36.320 Well, and let's talk about random. 1:54:36.600 --> 1:54:42.120 So if within the week of recording this episode met 1:54:42.200 --> 1:54:45.280 a young man who met his birth sister the day 1:54:45.560 --> 1:54:49.680 I bumped into this stranger and his dad was a 1:54:49.760 --> 1:54:52.360 sperm donor in the nineties, and they flew in and 1:54:52.440 --> 1:54:55.000 were staying at the same hotel as me, and he 1:54:55.240 --> 1:54:58.160 was like so buzzing from the experience that he didn't 1:54:58.160 --> 1:54:59.640 want to wake up his dad in the hotel, so 1:54:59.720 --> 1:55:01.720 he was like talking to him on to friends on 1:55:01.800 --> 1:55:04.560 the phone and like talking about this experience of meeting 1:55:04.600 --> 1:55:06.800 his birth sister and like loving her so much. 1:55:07.360 --> 1:55:08.160 And we had just. 1:55:08.440 --> 1:55:11.720 Recorded this episode, but hopefully not too much. What do 1:55:11.800 --> 1:55:14.840 you mean, Oh, yeah, of course, what do you mean? 1:55:16.360 --> 1:55:20.520 Genetic sexual attraction? A pseudoscience, a pseudo science. 1:55:20.840 --> 1:55:23.760 That's my This is honestly the most the most I'll 1:55:23.800 --> 1:55:26.480 ever talk about the episode and what I've actually learned, 1:55:26.960 --> 1:55:28.880 And what I've actually learned is that it's fake, that 1:55:28.960 --> 1:55:30.680 it's not real, and it's a pseudoscience and it's just 1:55:30.720 --> 1:55:33.160 something that might occur, but it's not like it's happening. 1:55:33.320 --> 1:55:35.600 I just don't think it's like it's not it can 1:55:35.680 --> 1:55:39.480 still be predators. Yeah, yeah, I guess still, you know, 1:55:39.720 --> 1:55:41.480 like we're like, oh, it just happens, and it's like 1:55:41.720 --> 1:55:44.440 or are you a Pedoh yeah, I don't know. The 1:55:44.560 --> 1:55:47.040 take on this episode is so weird. It's like if 1:55:47.120 --> 1:55:48.080 you're if a guy. 1:55:48.200 --> 1:55:49.800 No, but do you guys want to buy t shirts 1:55:49.840 --> 1:55:52.720 that say someone is raping your donor daughters and doing 1:55:52.760 --> 1:55:54.760 it in your name? Let us know if you want 1:55:54.800 --> 1:55:59.680 a sweatpant with that going down the side. We got 1:56:00.240 --> 1:56:03.920 the tommies. It's just such a weird I mean, Omar 1:56:04.160 --> 1:56:06.680 probably happy when he got that script. He goes, I 1:56:06.720 --> 1:56:08.040 cannot fucking wait to say this. 1:56:08.720 --> 1:56:10.920 It's such a weird plot for revenge to be like, 1:56:11.320 --> 1:56:14.600 you stole my girlfriend, you ruin my medical career, So 1:56:14.680 --> 1:56:18.440 I'm going to track down the girls that you don't 1:56:18.520 --> 1:56:23.480 know exist and have sex with underage girl, assault underage girls, 1:56:24.000 --> 1:56:26.320 impregnate one of them. Gotcha? 1:56:26.760 --> 1:56:29.120 Like what it if? 1:56:29.160 --> 1:56:29.200 You? 1:56:29.840 --> 1:56:32.200 Okay, if you thought you were going to do that, 1:56:32.560 --> 1:56:34.920 because it was going to get him in trouble. The 1:56:35.040 --> 1:56:37.560 girls are going to id who they had sex with, 1:56:38.040 --> 1:56:40.200 do you know what I mean? It's like if he 1:56:40.280 --> 1:56:42.920 had killed them, it would have made more sense if 1:56:42.960 --> 1:56:44.640 he had done it and then killed them. It would 1:56:44.640 --> 1:56:46.480 have been like, that's a way you can frame this 1:56:46.640 --> 1:56:49.200 guy that he's no, he wanted to How much time 1:56:49.240 --> 1:56:50.000 do you think he's getting? 1:56:50.040 --> 1:56:50.600 Like, what did he do? 1:56:50.720 --> 1:56:53.000 It's not kidnapping, Like what is it? I go, oh, 1:56:53.040 --> 1:56:57.000 it's sat they're young, they're young, young, they're statute. Yeah, yeah, 1:56:57.360 --> 1:56:58.040 the rape. 1:56:58.240 --> 1:57:01.640 But I mean, like it's like, I don't know how 1:57:01.680 --> 1:57:04.040 you thought this was going to punish this guy except 1:57:04.120 --> 1:57:06.320 for having sex with his own daughter when you got 1:57:06.360 --> 1:57:06.840 to the doctor. 1:57:07.000 --> 1:57:08.960 But then what is the point of the other girls? 1:57:10.680 --> 1:57:12.000 He was trying to bring him down? 1:57:12.160 --> 1:57:15.320 Like the they just he didn't realize the NYPD was 1:57:15.360 --> 1:57:18.160 playing like that, Like he assumed cops are stupid, Like 1:57:18.200 --> 1:57:19.320 he thought he was gonna get away with it. He 1:57:19.320 --> 1:57:21.920 didn't know Olivia Benson was on the case. Yeah, that's 1:57:21.960 --> 1:57:23.360 what happened. Like at the end of the day, they 1:57:23.360 --> 1:57:26.000 would have arrested this man, this doctor, and he would 1:57:26.040 --> 1:57:28.360 have gone to jail. But so but so he was 1:57:28.480 --> 1:57:32.080 but he was engaged, but no one identified him. Yes, yeah, 1:57:32.200 --> 1:57:33.360 like but he was engaging. 1:57:33.440 --> 1:57:37.160 With these relationships with teen girls because because he liked it, right, 1:57:37.400 --> 1:57:39.480 like obviously because he's a little bit of a pedophile, 1:57:39.640 --> 1:57:40.920 or like because. 1:57:40.640 --> 1:57:42.760 It feels like if it's just for revenge, but it's 1:57:42.840 --> 1:57:43.560 done stuff too. 1:57:43.760 --> 1:57:45.920 Maybe him and John Stamos's character can meet up in 1:57:46.000 --> 1:57:48.240 prison and kind of have a support group. Of weird 1:57:48.320 --> 1:57:50.640 breeding breeding problems. 1:57:52.280 --> 1:57:56.160 So weird. Okay, let's get into what would Sister Peg do? 1:57:56.280 --> 1:57:56.600 Shall we? 1:57:56.840 --> 1:57:59.760 This is our weekly segment where we, you know, point 1:57:59.760 --> 1:58:02.800 you to to an organization, an article, a doct something 1:58:03.160 --> 1:58:05.400 that gives you more info on what we talked about today. 1:58:05.640 --> 1:58:08.760 And we were talking about, you know, in the true 1:58:08.840 --> 1:58:13.880 crime part of it, like how sometimes this genetic sexual 1:58:13.880 --> 1:58:18.160 attraction thing happens when people are not like adequately prepared 1:58:18.600 --> 1:58:21.920 for a reunion with a biological parent that they haven't 1:58:21.920 --> 1:58:24.080 seen right or that they've never been connected to. So 1:58:24.920 --> 1:58:26.680 this week we wanted to point you to the organization 1:58:26.800 --> 1:58:30.240 Families Rising. Their mission is to assist adoptive, foster and 1:58:30.320 --> 1:58:33.920 kinship parents, educate child and welfare professionals, and champion the 1:58:33.960 --> 1:58:36.600 well being of children and families. They're committed to helping 1:58:36.680 --> 1:58:40.440 children develop both cultural and personal identity, offering support to 1:58:40.480 --> 1:58:44.080 all children in foster care and adoption experiences, including those 1:58:44.080 --> 1:58:47.280 who identify as LGBTQ. And I know in some of 1:58:47.360 --> 1:58:51.560 these cases there is it's like a sperm donor and 1:58:51.640 --> 1:58:55.200 the other parent is their biological parent, But I think 1:58:55.240 --> 1:58:58.320 this all applies. So for more information or to donate, 1:58:58.360 --> 1:59:01.320 head over to we are Families Rising dot org and 1:59:01.440 --> 1:59:04.320 that will be obviously linked in our show notes and 1:59:05.080 --> 1:59:07.560 in a story the day this episode comes out, and 1:59:07.640 --> 1:59:11.040 then we save those stories forever in our WWSPD highlights 1:59:11.120 --> 1:59:12.560 on our Instagram page, which is that. 1:59:12.640 --> 1:59:16.040 S messed up pod. You really killed it? 1:59:18.040 --> 1:59:18.680 They really did it. 1:59:19.080 --> 1:59:20.480 Thank you. It's so weird. 1:59:20.560 --> 1:59:23.240 It's like, while I'm organizing the stickers to give to people, 1:59:23.600 --> 1:59:25.640 like I think I'm like a generous person, and then 1:59:25.680 --> 1:59:27.480 I look and I'm like, well, what's the ugliest sticker 1:59:27.480 --> 1:59:28.840 I can give them because I'm not giving them the 1:59:28.840 --> 1:59:29.240 good ones? 1:59:29.280 --> 1:59:32.680 And then I feel like a really bad person. I 1:59:32.760 --> 1:59:35.160 feel bad. I'm like looking at them being like I 1:59:35.360 --> 1:59:37.600 just feel bad. Yeah, you don't want to give away 1:59:37.600 --> 1:59:38.080 your faves? 1:59:39.840 --> 1:59:40.280 I get that. 1:59:41.000 --> 1:59:45.000 Yeah. And there's stickers right, yeah, Like those stickers are fleeting. No, 1:59:45.040 --> 1:59:45.280 they're not. 1:59:45.320 --> 1:59:47.560 I have a sticker book. We talked about this last week. 1:59:47.560 --> 1:59:50.080 I can't believe this is happening to me. And for 1:59:50.160 --> 1:59:51.600 those of you who don't know, it's actually back to 1:59:51.680 --> 1:59:56.040 back recordings. It was less than an hour ago I 1:59:56.200 --> 1:59:58.400 showed I did a full display of the sticker book. 1:59:58.520 --> 2:00:01.200 I know we're going to live on ever, that's forever. 2:00:01.360 --> 2:00:04.160 They don't eventually curl up off the page and fuck off. 2:00:05.120 --> 2:00:06.960 No, that's the whole point. I think. I can't know. 2:00:07.240 --> 2:00:10.200 I just think stickers like after a few years, I. 2:00:10.320 --> 2:00:13.520 Know you clearly are uneducated. Like you, clearly, I did 2:00:13.600 --> 2:00:14.960 not experience this ignorant. 2:00:15.040 --> 2:00:17.720 You can actually say ignorant ignor Your friends were just 2:00:17.840 --> 2:00:19.240 ruining their stickers in a book. 2:00:19.320 --> 2:00:20.080 Of course they were. 2:00:20.400 --> 2:00:22.480 I think I thought they were keeping them on the 2:00:22.600 --> 2:00:25.400 sheet and then putting the sheet in a book. No, 2:00:25.520 --> 2:00:27.400 because I think I'm about to like I was poor. 2:00:27.600 --> 2:00:30.160 I couldn't do all this right, like I'm about to. 2:00:30.400 --> 2:00:32.560 I'm about to go to back into my childhood in 2:00:32.600 --> 2:00:35.440 a way, like I don't. I can't wait to open 2:00:35.560 --> 2:00:37.400 up a sticker and put it in this book, Like I'm. 2:00:37.240 --> 2:00:39.760 Like, I can't. I'm so excited because usually it is fleeting. 2:00:40.000 --> 2:00:41.840 I use them for gift cards or like when I 2:00:42.160 --> 2:00:44.600 send a card or you know that kind of stuff. 2:00:45.200 --> 2:00:47.160 Now you've got the sticker book. You're not giving good 2:00:47.200 --> 2:00:47.880 ones to friends? 2:00:48.160 --> 2:00:48.880 Just you got it. 2:00:49.240 --> 2:00:51.440 This is gonna be great. I get the good one well, 2:00:51.440 --> 2:00:54.760 because like you're hoarding the good ones. I think it's fine. 2:00:55.520 --> 2:00:57.960 It's like which ones? You know you got more than one? 2:00:58.200 --> 2:01:00.240 Yeah, I know, but like so then I'm gonna give 2:01:00.280 --> 2:01:02.120 this and it's like, so I'm giving the worst one, 2:01:02.480 --> 2:01:06.400 like this one's the best one. I'm gonna tell you 2:01:06.480 --> 2:01:10.000 what we're doing next week. Everyone wants to go home. Okay, sorry, okay, 2:01:10.320 --> 2:01:11.480 did were you gonna say something? 2:01:11.840 --> 2:01:11.880 No? 2:01:13.200 --> 2:01:14.080 Were you gonna help me out? 2:01:14.720 --> 2:01:14.760 No? 2:01:15.040 --> 2:01:15.160 Uh? 2:01:15.160 --> 2:01:18.320 Oh yeah, it's Deadly Ambitions. He's in fourteen, episode fifteen. 2:01:18.640 --> 2:01:20.600 Oh no, with the stick. 2:01:21.040 --> 2:01:23.000 I was just saying, I wouldn't think that that one 2:01:23.040 --> 2:01:24.320 would be the best one. I thought it would be 2:01:24.320 --> 2:01:27.360 the one where they're facing forward. Oh that Yeah, they 2:01:27.480 --> 2:01:30.720 just don't look like themselves. Yeah, bad illustrations, but it's 2:01:30.760 --> 2:01:33.600 really cute. But it's cute, like I like it. Next 2:01:33.640 --> 2:01:37.360 week's next week, Deadly Ambition. That's like such a good name. 2:01:37.800 --> 2:01:42.800 From season fourteen, episode fifteen. We're thrilled you you listen 2:01:42.880 --> 2:01:45.240 to us, We love all of you. It sounds like 2:01:45.240 --> 2:01:46.920 a lifetime movie Deadly Ambition. 2:01:47.560 --> 2:01:49.400 It sounds like something I want tattooed on my body. 2:01:49.480 --> 2:01:49.880 I love it. 2:01:51.800 --> 2:01:53.320 So ambitious, I'll fucking kill you. 2:01:53.760 --> 2:01:55.840 All right, Thank you guys, We'll see you next week. 2:01:56.440 --> 2:01:56.680 Bye. 2:02:05.240 --> 2:02:07.400 That's Messed Up as an Exactly Right production. 2:02:07.840 --> 2:02:09.880 If you have compliments you'd like to give us or 2:02:10.000 --> 2:02:12.240 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 2:02:12.280 --> 2:02:15.560 it That's Messed uppod at gmail dot com. 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