Speaker 1: Hey, guys.
Speaker 2: I'm Larstup Hippin and I'm Marcus Jordan, and we're back
Speaker 2: with our second episode of Separation and Anxiety.
Speaker 1: We missed you, guys, definitely missed you guys.
Speaker 2: Today we will discuss one aspect of our relationship that
Speaker 2: people have strong opinions about, and that's our age gap.
Speaker 1: Ben, I feel like people are really curious about the
Speaker 1: age gap.
Speaker 2: I definitely feel like people are interested in want to
Speaker 2: learn more, and so I guess, what are your thoughts about? Obviously,
Speaker 2: I don't think it really matters a big deal to
Speaker 2: either one of us, because, like I said, you're a
Speaker 2: young soul. I feel like I'm an old soul. But
Speaker 2: you know, talk through your experience with it, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I in my mind, I always think
Speaker 1: of like, what I date a guy that was sixteen
Speaker 1: years older than me, and I would and I was
Speaker 1: with someone that was, you know, ten years older than me.
Speaker 1: I've been with guys who were fifteen years older than me, right,
Speaker 1: So I feel like for me, if I would date
Speaker 1: someone older, I don't necessarily were prom dating someone younger.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, it really depends on
Speaker 1: your level of maturity for sure that to me is
Speaker 1: like the number one thing. I think it's like your
Speaker 1: level of maturity where you are in your life. And
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of men, my personal opinion,
Speaker 1: once they know who they are, feel good about themselves,
Speaker 1: and then their level of maturity is way more than
Speaker 1: someone that could be older and it's kind of lost
Speaker 1: and doesn't have a sense of who they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's very situational, you know. I think
Speaker 2: it depends on kind of what the person goes through,
Speaker 2: what their experiences are. I guess what their life goals are,
Speaker 2: you know, and so you know, I definitely feel like
Speaker 2: age is just a number and it's more about the
Speaker 2: actual chemistry between you know one another, And so what
Speaker 2: exactly is our age gap? We're sixteen years apart, I know,
Speaker 2: sixteen years. It feels like we're the same age honestly when.
Speaker 1: We're hanging other game, I know, I feel like that.
Speaker 2: I think one of the misconceptions of things people think
Speaker 2: about when they're talking to age gap is like can
Speaker 2: one person keep up with the other?
Speaker 1: And I feel can you keep up with me?
Speaker 2: I feel like can you keep up with me? You know?
Speaker 2: I feel like we both have motors that you know,
Speaker 2: turn in different at different times, but I feel like
Speaker 2: you keep up with me and I keep up with
Speaker 2: you pretty well.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're at the same pace.
Speaker 2: I know, and we're both social. We both have a
Speaker 2: lot going on in our independent lives, but I feel
Speaker 2: like we do a good job of involving each other
Speaker 2: on our day to day you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're a lot alike in so many
Speaker 1: different ways.
Speaker 2: I think so too. I think obviously growing up in Chicago,
Speaker 2: both of us, and having those that is our foundation
Speaker 2: in our roots. I think there's a lot of similarities
Speaker 2: in our personalities.
Speaker 1: I agree, no totally.
Speaker 2: And so, what have been some of the most hurtful
Speaker 2: comments you've seen with regards to our age gap.
Speaker 1: I feel like people think that they're like I feel
Speaker 1: like they've called me your auntie and I'm like, hello,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I didn't even know you. Yeah, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: that's kind of hurtful.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's been the comment, not necessarily you
Speaker 2: being my auntie, but I feel like, more so you
Speaker 2: used to babysit me or you were at my birthday
Speaker 2: parties growing up when I was a kid, and obviously
Speaker 2: we didn't know each other, our families weren't so intertwined
Speaker 2: as people think. Yeah, and so I wouldn't say it's
Speaker 2: necessarily hurtful, but I feel like that the comment that
Speaker 2: I feel that I have to restrain myself from, you know,
Speaker 2: responding to, just because you know, I feel like a
Speaker 2: lot of people have it wrong, and you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: I want to correct them, but I just don't.
Speaker 1: I know, it's kind of crazy how people think they
Speaker 1: know us when in reality they really don't know anything
Speaker 1: about like who we are as a couple or even
Speaker 1: like I feel like I never really defend myself one
Speaker 1: of those I'm not one.
Speaker 2: Of those people like you defend yourself more than I do.
Speaker 1: I feel like, definitely don't defend yourself.
Speaker 2: I feel like every now and then you jump in
Speaker 2: the comment section of an Instagram post and try to
Speaker 2: set the record straight, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like when I've had enough and then I
Speaker 1: feel like, okay, fine, I have to like clear the
Speaker 1: air with this or that. Then I'm more apt to
Speaker 1: like go on social media and like say something. But overall,
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, I was talking to Yami
Speaker 1: about this about how when you are with someone that's
Speaker 1: a celebrity, whoever is like the celebrity that you're with.
Speaker 1: When you leave, people automatically think you are the worst
Speaker 1: person for leaving that person. Yeah, and just because someone
Speaker 1: is like a great athlete, at doctor or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it's not make them a good partner, but doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean they're going to be a good partner for you
Speaker 1: at home. And I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't see it like that. They think that if you
Speaker 1: are a superstar of an artist or whatever, like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, why would they break up? When when you
Speaker 1: live with someone, you forget that they're a celebrity. They
Speaker 1: are just a regular person. They are just a regular person.
Speaker 1: You don't view them as you know, this person is
Speaker 1: you know, God, you don't see it like that anymore.
Speaker 1: You really think they're normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's really easy for people, you know,
Speaker 2: sitting at home or behind a phone to throw stones.
Speaker 2: And I feel like, yeah, you know, when you're involved
Speaker 2: in the situation and it's your day to day, you know,
Speaker 2: then there's a different perspective and there's a different, you know,
Speaker 2: component to it. So you got to live in your truth.
Speaker 2: You've got to be happy and makes that are best.
Speaker 1: For you, and that's you know what does Sophie always say.
Speaker 2: You got to protect your mental You.
Speaker 1: Got to protect your mental. She always says that. I
Speaker 1: feel like, you've got to protect your mental You got
Speaker 1: to do what's right for you. Everyone else to do
Speaker 1: it's right for themselves.
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, And so moving on, I guess you know,
Speaker 2: do you have any friends or know any people that
Speaker 2: are dating and have a similar age gap to us?
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, yeah, I feel like we have
Speaker 1: so many friends.
Speaker 2: But I would say that, like it is more common
Speaker 2: that the age gap the man will be older than
Speaker 2: the woman. Yeah, and I feel like this is a reverse.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously you're older than me, and so do
Speaker 2: you think that there's a double standard with you know
Speaker 2: that times yet or you know, talk to me about it.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like growing up, my uncle Abe was
Speaker 1: twenty five years older than his wife, right, you know,
Speaker 1: Lauren and Jr. They're you know, twenty years apart. Come
Speaker 1: Mall and his girlfriend. We just have so many friends
Speaker 1: where the guy is so much older than the woman.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen that time and time again.
Speaker 1: And when I was twenty one, I liked older men
Speaker 1: right like, I feel like that was very normal. But
Speaker 1: I feel like in today's you know, it's twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: I feel like age is really just a number and
Speaker 1: it's basically how you feel because you know, I have
Speaker 1: friends that are fifteen twenty years younger than me, and
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm younger than them. Yeah, my energy
Speaker 1: level is like more than they are. There. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're so old for being twenty, Like you're so old
Speaker 1: for being thirty.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's why I say it's situational, you know,
Speaker 2: I feel like you're what you go through in your
Speaker 2: life kind of you know, impacts your maturity level.
Speaker 1: I would say, sure, I agree to Marcus. What's the
Speaker 1: best part of me being a little bit older?
Speaker 2: The best part about you being a little bit older,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think your tipperament. I feel like
Speaker 2: you're more knowledgeable about things that go on. Obviously you're
Speaker 2: very compassionate and loving and so, you know, having prior
Speaker 2: to us dated younger women, I feel like that's something
Speaker 2: that's missing. And you know, the dating scene today, I
Speaker 2: feel like not everybody is so you know, loving and
Speaker 2: giving as you are, and I feel like that comes
Speaker 2: with you know, your experiences in life. And so I
Speaker 2: think one of the things that I cherish about our
Speaker 2: age gap is just how you know, delicate and loving
Speaker 2: you are with me.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so cute when I think about like being
Speaker 1: with you and our age differends, and like, what's the
Speaker 1: best part about you being younger than me? Me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like for me, I feel like it's You're
Speaker 1: so much fun. I would say this boy, you you
Speaker 1: have like such a great fun like personality, and it's
Speaker 1: really hard because I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 1: are really serious and you're not.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm definitely serious.
Speaker 1: You're definitely fun.
Speaker 2: I like to have fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I'm a very optimistic person, and I feel
Speaker 2: like you are like the energizer bunny, and you always
Speaker 2: are looking for what's next, what you know type of
Speaker 2: just you know event or something that's going on. And
Speaker 2: so I definitely would say that being younger is a
Speaker 2: benefit to me because I can keep up with you.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I feel like that to each other.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if any of these old dudes can
Speaker 2: keep up with you.
Speaker 1: I don't think so either. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just feel like it's you.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily like I never really like when I
Speaker 1: was single, I never really said, oh I want to
Speaker 1: date a younger guy. That was never on my mind.
Speaker 1: I never cared to date someone younger so old I
Speaker 1: would have dated someone fifteen, sixteen, twenty years older than me,
Speaker 1: or you know, fifteen sixteen years younger than me. I
Speaker 1: don't ever in my mind when I would be, like,
Speaker 1: you know what am I looking for? Age was not
Speaker 1: one of those things that was on my list. It
Speaker 1: was more about character a person, you know, just like
Speaker 1: who they were, you know, as a human being, rather
Speaker 1: than how old are they? Like that was the last
Speaker 1: thing on my mind.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that there's anything that I do
Speaker 2: because I'm younger that maybe somebody that you dated in
Speaker 2: the past wouldn't have done if they were a little
Speaker 2: older than me.
Speaker 1: I really don't know. No, I don't think so that's funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: When I've dated guys younger than you, trust me. I know,
Speaker 1: I don't mean it like that. I just mean I
Speaker 1: have dated guys younger than you, and I don't I
Speaker 1: don't really I just see you for like the things
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, No, I think it's I think it's
Speaker 2: very much situational and so LARSA, would you say you're
Speaker 2: at your sexiest and most confident point in your life
Speaker 2: when it comes to intimacy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what I'm doing. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: I think so, I feel like I'm really confident. I
Speaker 1: feel really good. I feel like I'm in a really
Speaker 1: good place emotionally, like mentally, and I think that kind
Speaker 1: of carries over into your like intimacy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're definitely a very confident person. I
Speaker 2: feel like we both are. You know, we both really
Speaker 2: could care less of what people think of us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we both work out a lot, so we're trying to
Speaker 2: be in our best shape and feel good about our
Speaker 2: bodies and health and wellness, and so, you know, I
Speaker 2: feel like there's times when you might be even overly confident.
Speaker 2: You throw on some outfits that.
Speaker 1: Extra small I get excited.
Speaker 2: I'm like sometimes I'm like, hey, okay, a too confident here.
Speaker 2: But I know, I think it's a good trait to have.
Speaker 1: I think it's really important to be confident because I
Speaker 1: feel like the world is so harsh. When I read
Speaker 1: some of the comments, like the negative comments on Instagram, Twitter,
Speaker 1: I'm like, these people are so mean. And if I
Speaker 1: wasn't as confident as I am, if you weren't as
Speaker 1: confident as you are, like it would really affect you,
Speaker 1: It would really affect people's mental And I feel like
Speaker 1: people don't think about that. They don't think about how
Speaker 1: hurtful some of these things are. And you think, just
Speaker 1: because the person is successful or you know they're in
Speaker 1: the public eye, that they should sign up for scrutiny. Well, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work like that. Sometimes you are you know,
Speaker 1: you want to be out there doing X, Y and z,
Speaker 1: but you're not like ready for all the scrutiny. And
Speaker 1: I feel like we're both blessed because we do have
Speaker 1: that confidence and where we have that like, I don't
Speaker 1: care what people say because I'm going to live my
Speaker 1: best life and I am going through separation anxiety with you,
Speaker 1: and I don't care, like life is so good that
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you feel bad, you feel so bad that
Speaker 1: you want to talk bad about me, because honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't feel bad about you. And even people that like
Speaker 1: have said things about us like that are like in
Speaker 1: the NBA, like people that I'm like, I feel bad
Speaker 1: for you because look at you, Like I feel sorry
Speaker 1: for you because I would never talk anything bad about you,
Speaker 1: But like it's fine that you feel like you need
Speaker 1: to comment and say some negative things about us, when
Speaker 1: in reality, like, we don't really care about you.
Speaker 2: By the way, I think people you know, see our name,
Speaker 2: our last names, and the fact that we're in the
Speaker 2: public a lot, and so people feel like they can,
Speaker 2: you know, have an opinion on certain things in our
Speaker 2: personal life. But I feel like, you know, both of
Speaker 2: us being from Chicago, yeah, we're getting growing up tough.
Speaker 2: You know. We don't let words affect us.
Speaker 1: No, we're good. I feel like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I just I wish them. I wish they had a
Speaker 1: quarter of the happiness that we have. That's all I
Speaker 1: could say. I wish them a quarter.
Speaker 2: I just I think it's easy for people to throw
Speaker 2: stones behind the user name, you know, on social media.
Speaker 2: But I feel like when we're in public and when
Speaker 2: we see people out in the world, we rarely get
Speaker 2: any type of negative images.
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone loves.
Speaker 2: Us exactly, so I think it's easy to throw stones
Speaker 2: on social media.
Speaker 1: No, I agree. Do we were discuss having kids?
Speaker 2: I think there's been conversations around it, right, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like other people ask we don't really exactly.
Speaker 2: I feel like when we go, when we meet people,
Speaker 2: I'm introducing you to some of my friends, or you
Speaker 2: introduce me to some of your friends. I feel like
Speaker 2: it gets brought up. But I don't feel like we've
Speaker 2: ever had a one on one private conversation about having children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, not a serious one at least.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where like time will tell
Speaker 1: you know for sure.
Speaker 2: I feel like we've been together how.
Speaker 1: Long, like almost eight years and not a year maybe.
Speaker 2: Closes like nine going on nine months.
Speaker 1: No, it's more than that, I think. So, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We're just living our lives.
Speaker 3: You guys, almost do you feel I do feel like
Speaker 3: I'm happy because I have four kids, and I feel
Speaker 3: like you don't have kids, So basically would be like
Speaker 3: a question for you because I'm really fulfilled with my
Speaker 3: four children.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like well, and I think that's something
Speaker 2: that goes unsaid with dating and you know, having an
Speaker 2: age gap. Sometimes if the man is older, he might
Speaker 2: have kids. If the woman's older, she might have kids.
Speaker 2: And so for me, I don't know. I've always viewed
Speaker 2: Trophy Room, my boutique, as my baby, you know, and
Speaker 2: so I was always I was always of the mindset that,
Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to establish my own name outside
Speaker 2: of being Michael Jordan's son, and so for me, Trophy
Speaker 2: Room gave me that opportunity as my business, and so
Speaker 2: I've always nurtured it and treated it as my child.
Speaker 2: And you know, obviously that's not the same as having
Speaker 2: an actual baby, but it's occupied all of my time
Speaker 2: and energy into exactly, and so having a child was
Speaker 2: always so far out of my mind frame that you know,
Speaker 2: I always like to joke and you've heard me say
Speaker 2: it before. I've I've made it thirty two years. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to keep the streak going. But you know, there's
Speaker 2: definitely thoughts that I'm having around is it a possibility,
Speaker 2: how soon? How you know much?
Speaker 1: Just so you know, like time is clicking, Oh, I know, it's.
Speaker 2: Ticking and clicking, ticking and clicking.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I have four kids,
Speaker 1: but I love being a mom and I feel like
Speaker 1: I would be open to having maybe like one more child. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't know. I feel like I
Speaker 1: would be open to it. I feel like i've my
Speaker 1: sister having her little kids makes me feel like, oh
Speaker 1: I wish our kids were closer in age.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and my sister has a baby. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so my nephew, and so I'm always around,
Speaker 2: you know, my nephew, and sometimes I get baby feeverround.
Speaker 2: Gonna lie. It's something that I think we'll have to
Speaker 2: discuss down the road at some point. And so when
Speaker 2: when do you think that conversation needs to happen. Is
Speaker 2: there a breakpoint where it's like, all right, we haven't
Speaker 2: talked about kids, so it's scrapped that out the window.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's on you. I have a few, but
Speaker 1: if you decide you want to have, you know, Marquiso,
Speaker 1: then we can discuss. I think when you're with someone,
Speaker 1: you kind of like from the beginning, you kind of
Speaker 1: set like you know what you're looking for. And I
Speaker 1: feel like you and I were always like from the
Speaker 1: when we first started dating, I feel like we knew
Speaker 1: that it was going to be like serious based on
Speaker 1: like who we were and where we were in life.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe after like the year mark, then
Speaker 1: you start, like, you know, questioning things.
Speaker 2: I feel like we both have different cultural backgrounds, right, yea,
Speaker 2: And so I feel like in my background, being that
Speaker 2: I played in sports and obviously coming from an a
Speaker 2: fluent family, I never really put as much emphasis on
Speaker 2: starting a family young as I thank god. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: feel like in your culture it might be a little
Speaker 2: bit different with your family history. I feel like my culture,
Speaker 2: I had your first child at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got married at twenty one, but also I
Speaker 1: had like four kids. I had three kids by the
Speaker 1: time I was like thirty. I think I so feel
Speaker 1: like thirty one or thirty two. Yeah, but I do
Speaker 1: feel like culturally, like Middle Eastern women like we do
Speaker 1: kind of like want to get married, have a family
Speaker 1: like that to us is like the number one priority.
Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't ever view like seeing someone
Speaker 1: like dating someone just to date them and like wasting
Speaker 1: my time. And I know it's not like wasting time,
Speaker 1: but for me, culturally, like my mom taught us that
Speaker 1: like if you were going to be with someone, you're
Speaker 1: building a family with them, You're building a life with them,
Speaker 1: and you put all your eggs in that one basket.
Speaker 1: So I feel like for me, that's kind of like
Speaker 1: how I grew up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like I grew up the opposite.
Speaker 2: I feel like my mom and my dad were always like,
Speaker 2: you know, have fun, you're young, you know, go explore,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And so, you know, I'm coming out of
Speaker 2: that mind frame as I'm starting to mature and get
Speaker 2: a little older. So you know, time will tell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we've got You've got a little
Speaker 1: bit of time. I already know you'd be an amazing day.
Speaker 1: But like, what kind of dad would you be? Would
Speaker 1: you be like a strict dad?
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, the apple doesn't fall far
Speaker 2: from the tree, yeah, right, And I had very strict
Speaker 2: parents and my upbringing was, you know, was unique, and
Speaker 2: so I would definitely feel like I would be a
Speaker 2: very hands on parent. You know. I'm overly involved in
Speaker 2: whatever it is that I do, and you really are,
Speaker 2: you know. I just think, I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: do like the you know, relationship that you have with
Speaker 2: your kids where I feel like you guys are each
Speaker 2: other's best friends and you talk every day, and so
Speaker 2: I feel like that, you know, would be a similar
Speaker 2: parenting style that I would like to have.
Speaker 1: I love when you give me advice, like when I'm
Speaker 1: trying to give Sophie advice and you chime in, because
Speaker 1: I feel like I could never be with someone that
Speaker 1: would give me bad advice for my kids. And I
Speaker 1: feel like I really value the advice that you give
Speaker 1: me when we're talking to like my kids or like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if something happens, like Sophia has a problem with someone
Speaker 1: at school or whatever, it is like little girl problems
Speaker 1: that you have at fourteen. Yeah, and I feel like
Speaker 1: your advice is always like on point.
Speaker 2: Well, obviously i'd try to let you, you know, put
Speaker 2: your motherly spin on things first, and then I like
Speaker 2: to chime in from a satellite.
Speaker 1: Now, you're gonna be like a great if you want
Speaker 1: to have kids, you'd be like a great dad.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Baby, you're like a cutie.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I feel like we have so much to talk about today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know we're just getting started.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: So, Larsa, what did you do years ago as an
Speaker 2: insurance policy just in case you met somebody that you
Speaker 2: wanted to have kids with?
Speaker 1: So I think I was like thirty eight years old
Speaker 1: and I was in a relationship where I was kind
Speaker 1: of feeling like it was empty and I was kind
Speaker 1: of thinking that I need an insurance policy.
Speaker 2: Right, and what made you like, just in case, I
Speaker 2: was in.
Speaker 1: LA and I was filming with the Kardashians and they
Speaker 1: were doing this whole egg retrieval thing and so I
Speaker 1: went to the doctor with them while we were filming,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, maybe I should do it too,
Speaker 1: because what happens if I end up with someone that
Speaker 1: doesn't have kids and then they want kids and then
Speaker 1: I'm done having kids. And I felt like I was
Speaker 1: so fertile at that point that I should get a
Speaker 1: little insurance policy and do the egg retrieval thing. And
Speaker 1: so I did it. I did it once, and I
Speaker 1: ended up with eleven eggs.
Speaker 2: Eleven eggs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: You're telling me, yeah, there's eleven little larses, yes, and
Speaker 2: a freezer in LA that are potentially okay, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: pretty strong. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just felt like, I, you know, I just felt like,
Speaker 1: maybe one day I'm going to meet.
Speaker 2: A guide And are you happy that you did that?
Speaker 1: I'm super happy I did it. I do feel like
Speaker 1: if I don't utilize my little Larses in the next
Speaker 1: like two years, I'm going to be okay with not
Speaker 1: ever using them. Yeah, I feel like there's like a
Speaker 1: time for everything, you know, And it's like I started
Speaker 1: really early my mom. It's funny because my brother and
Speaker 1: I Sam were twenty years apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So my mom get married at seventeen, had me super early,
Speaker 1: she had four kids, and then got pregnant with Sam
Speaker 1: when she was like forty two, and had my brother
Speaker 1: who's twenty years younger than me. Yeah, so for me,
Speaker 1: like age is not like, you know, I have a
Speaker 1: brother that's twenty from the same mom and dad.
Speaker 2: I think that's what's unique about it too, is that
Speaker 2: it's from the same parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like most often you'll see where somebody gets
Speaker 2: remarried and then they have another child, and that's where
Speaker 2: you'll see like a significant sibling age gap. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's admirable that your parents are still going strong,
Speaker 2: going strong. And so what was the process like for
Speaker 2: the egg retrieval? Was it like multiple sessions? Was it
Speaker 2: just toop down all eleven?
Speaker 1: Like, no, do you so you basically shoot yourself with
Speaker 1: all these like hormones. I don't know what is I
Speaker 1: don't even remember it was so long ago. But then
Speaker 1: then they put you under and they take out the eggs,
Speaker 1: and then that's it, and it's basically your little insurance policy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not suggesting we have e loving kids
Speaker 1: or anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, so you're saying we could have a whole roster.
Speaker 1: Basketball roster, I mean possibly, Yes, I'm joking.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm teasing. How I felt when I found out
Speaker 2: that you had eggs stored. I just feel like it's great,
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like I'm.
Speaker 1: Talking about the little Larses, Little Larses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's great that you had the
Speaker 2: four sight to see that you might end up in
Speaker 2: another situation and just in case, you know, to have
Speaker 2: those there as an insurance polcy. I feel like that's
Speaker 2: you know, that's awesome. And so one of these days,
Speaker 2: I think we'll sit down and have a serious conversation
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: I know. I mean, we're good, We're great right now.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like too, Yeah, do your
Speaker 1: siblings ever talk to you guys like you or your brother,
Speaker 1: because I know your brother doesn't have any kids about
Speaker 1: like having grandkids.
Speaker 2: So my sister has her son, so that's officially my parents'
Speaker 2: first grandkid.
Speaker 1: He's so cute.
Speaker 2: He's so cute raccom which speaking of shout out to
Speaker 2: my mom. Yeah, her birthday today, she turned twenty one,
Speaker 2: so happy birthday. But yeah, I think you know, my
Speaker 2: brother is married, he's happily married. He's you know, I
Speaker 2: think they're working on, you know, having their first child.
Speaker 2: And so again, you know, he's two years older than me.
Speaker 2: My sister's two years younger than me, and so it's
Speaker 2: just there was I guess not as much emphasis put
Speaker 2: on having a family young in our in our family.
Speaker 2: But I know my brother's trying. He'll probably have his
Speaker 2: first before my sister has another one. But you know,
Speaker 2: only time will tell, you know, I'm I'm bringing up
Speaker 2: the rear. I guess in the no, it's good in
Speaker 2: the American situation. You know, it's funny because I think
Speaker 2: my dad, being the competitive soul that he is, never
Speaker 2: really viewed himself as a grandfather, and so I know
Speaker 2: he's up against you know, the inevitable father time. My
Speaker 2: brother and I we like to rub it in his
Speaker 2: face every chance we get, like we call him grandpa
Speaker 2: and you know, all of that stuff. And so I
Speaker 2: just think it's kind of funny that he's a grandfather.
Speaker 1: Now, that's so funny. Do you feel like there's anything
Speaker 1: that we don't have in common because of our age difference?
Speaker 2: I don't think. I mean, I think we have a
Speaker 2: lot in common. I think the only thing that we
Speaker 2: wouldn't have in common would be the fact that you
Speaker 2: have children, you know. And again, I think I view
Speaker 2: that as like an age gap thing, maybe just because
Speaker 2: of the difference in societal norms today versus you know,
Speaker 2: when you had kids. But I know you think differently.
Speaker 2: You think, yeah, exactly, I think I should have five kids.
Speaker 2: But I do think that's one of the things that
Speaker 2: makes my situation unique is that it's very rare that
Speaker 2: you find the thirty two year old man that doesn't
Speaker 2: have kids or no one.
Speaker 1: I don't know one. Actually you're the first. I don't
Speaker 1: know very many men that are thirty two that don't
Speaker 1: have kids. I feel like before you wouldn't trust them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just.
Speaker 1: Like there's something wrong with them. He's never been married,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have kids. What's to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I just like I said, I
Speaker 2: was always focused on my business and establishing myself outside
Speaker 2: of being Michael Jordan's son. And now you know, my
Speaker 2: dad has blessed us with all these different tools that
Speaker 2: you know, my siblings and I are starting to land
Speaker 2: on our own feet. But I think I'm warming up
Speaker 2: to the idea of slowing down because I do feel
Speaker 2: like when you have young children, you have to slow
Speaker 2: down to a degree. And I feel like, right now,
Speaker 2: our life is so fast paced, and yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: we're doing a lot of different things that you know,
Speaker 2: little children kind of slow things down. And so I like,
Speaker 2: you know, I like to drive fast. I like to
Speaker 2: move fast.
Speaker 1: So could you get rid of your Lamborghini?
Speaker 2: No, so you're I definitely care and we could fit
Speaker 2: a baby seat in the vaccinate. Okay, you know that's
Speaker 2: not a hurt conor evo and nothing like that. So Larsa,
Speaker 2: let me ask you this because we did talk about
Speaker 2: it a little bit earlier about there being a double
Speaker 2: standard with ye you know, older men having new relationships
Speaker 2: and then having a child. Obviously, what's been in the
Speaker 2: news lately is you know, men like Robert de Niro
Speaker 2: and Al Pacino having kids in their eighties, and so
Speaker 2: what do you think is that like a little too
Speaker 2: far do you not care? What's your opinion?
Speaker 1: No, I feel I feel like as long as the
Speaker 1: women understand that it's going to be their responsibility, Like
Speaker 1: these guys are going to be their financial support. But
Speaker 1: I don't know how much energy you have at eighty
Speaker 1: years old to run around and chase a two year old.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's possible. But I'm not hating on it.
Speaker 1: I feel like, if they're happy and they have the
Speaker 1: means to take care of these children, then why not.
Speaker 2: I feel like if you had a childidating, not saying,
Speaker 2: not suggesting that you will, but I feel like if
Speaker 2: you had one of eighty, you'd still be running around.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, no, I have you were twenty eight, No,
Speaker 1: I have crazy energy. But that's like that's kind of
Speaker 1: pushing it. At some point we kind of have to say,
Speaker 1: that's like the time has passed. But I do feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, most of these men were so busy with
Speaker 1: their careers that they probably were not the most amazing parents.
Speaker 1: So now it's like, as you get older, you make
Speaker 1: more time for your kids, you make more you know,
Speaker 1: more er, you have more time, more emphasis on family time.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think you know again, I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of the stuff we talk about is
Speaker 2: very situational.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know so many guys that had kids when
Speaker 1: they were like twenty five, like a lot of guys
Speaker 1: in the NBA, and I feel like they were not
Speaker 1: great parents, and then they end up getting married or
Speaker 1: having kids as they're older in their thirties, and I
Speaker 1: feel like when I see the difference of how they
Speaker 1: were as a parent when they were younger and verse.
Speaker 2: Thirty, I think that's an over generalization because I feel
Speaker 2: like if you look at like NBA players today, like
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum or oh yeah, no, Jason Tatum's always having
Speaker 2: his son with him. Steph Curry back in the day
Speaker 2: always had his kid. Not back in the day, but
Speaker 2: like two years ago. I always had his kids with him.
Speaker 2: I mean even my dad when we were young, you know,
Speaker 2: we went to all the Chicago Bouls home games. I
Speaker 2: think when he retired both times he had us there
Speaker 2: with him raising the banner. And so you know, I
Speaker 2: feel like it varies, and you know, it's very situational.
Speaker 1: So no, we were talking about the age gap with
Speaker 1: like the al Pacino Robert de Niro thing. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I feel like recently they had. Jana Jackson was seen
Speaker 1: kissing her backup dancer. Oh yeah, I heard about that,
Speaker 1: and I think there's like a thirty plus year age
Speaker 1: gap with Jana Jackson, the backup dancer. And I don't listen.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: She's fifty seven, he's twenty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that was a thirty four year age gap.
Speaker 2: And I think the thing was people were giving her
Speaker 2: praise like, oh, okay, go ahead, Janet. You know, we
Speaker 2: see you live your best life type of vibe.
Speaker 1: I mean, thank god that they're like trying to you know,
Speaker 1: people are not really looking at the age difference of
Speaker 1: women versus men dating you know, younger people. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's twenty twenty three. People want to be happy.
Speaker 1: If a person makes them happy, who cares about their age?
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I feel like if people are happy,
Speaker 1: be happy. Like I said, I grew up. When I
Speaker 1: was a kid, my uncle had a wife that was
Speaker 1: twenty five years younger than him and they were great.
Speaker 1: My parents are ten years apart, they're great. You know.
Speaker 1: Like I said, so many of our friends are dating
Speaker 1: people that are like up or down, and I feel
Speaker 1: like it's it's basically about who you are as a person.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, babe, if you were let's say we
Speaker 2: were to tap into the little larso bang, Okay, if
Speaker 2: you became a parent again, would you do anything differently? No.
Speaker 2: I feel like I hate to cut you off, but
Speaker 2: I do feel like your children are older now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I said, you're confident about your you know body
Speaker 2: and your where you are today, and so I do
Speaker 2: feel like you're a little out there in terms of
Speaker 2: you know, posting and doing your thing, which is a
Speaker 2: great thing. I love it. I don't feel like, but
Speaker 2: would you do anything differently as a parent. No.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm really happy with the way like
Speaker 1: my kids turned out. I feel like it's you know,
Speaker 1: I'm all about the stats, right, and I feel like
Speaker 1: my kids turned out pretty well. I feel like they're great.
Speaker 1: They're super successful, super independent, loving kids, and I feel
Speaker 1: like that was my job to make sure they were independent, loving, smart.
Speaker 2: What about it? I know you've essentially raised your children
Speaker 2: in two different states Florida, I mean, Chicago, Florida, La.
Speaker 2: Other cities also, But so which you know, if you
Speaker 2: had to have kids today, which city would you pick
Speaker 2: to raise them?
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like it's not based on the city.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like your kids learn the most
Speaker 1: at home and they learn everything and they learn from you,
Speaker 1: and they learn everything from you. So I feel like
Speaker 1: it's schools at home really, that's really where that's really
Speaker 1: where your kids are learning everything, good, bad, or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. And you know what's funny, I feel like
Speaker 1: I've had friends in the past that would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to wear that skimpy bikini all my kids,
Speaker 1: and I never felt like that. I never viewed wearing
Speaker 1: a skimpy bikini. You know, it doesn't determine what type
Speaker 1: of pearance you are, Yeah, because I feel like for me,
Speaker 1: I always wore skimpy bikinis and I have three boys,
Speaker 1: and they don't even care about girls. They're not even
Speaker 1: like girl crazy. Yeah, it's not like that. I think
Speaker 1: one thing has nothing to do with the other. And
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like some of these women are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like when I have my kids,
Speaker 1: I should wear this, and from me, I don't. My
Speaker 1: kids don't even look at it like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that I get that. Anything to
Speaker 2: not have tan lines, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I'm trying to get a good tan.
Speaker 2: And so, Babe, where do you see us or yourself
Speaker 2: even individually with your business and career in the next
Speaker 2: ten years.
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be really happy.
Speaker 2: No, I like that.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to be super successful financially.
Speaker 1: I feel like my kids are going to be super
Speaker 1: happy and independent.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like we are going to be really happy
Speaker 1: in our personal life. I feel like we're going to
Speaker 1: be together.
Speaker 2: Howl is the Scotty junior Again.
Speaker 1: He's twenty two, so in the.
Speaker 2: Next ten years he'll be thirty two. You think you're
Speaker 2: your grandparent?
Speaker 1: Hell no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1: I said, I don't think that the city matters where
Speaker 1: your kids are raised, because basically it's you know where
Speaker 1: your home is and how you train your kids at
Speaker 1: home that basically, you know, determines what type of kids
Speaker 1: you're going to have. I feel like, or do you
Speaker 1: think it's more about the city environment.
Speaker 2: I do think where you raise your children hasn't impact
Speaker 2: on them. That's obviously I'm I'm speaking from no experience
Speaker 2: in this. Obviously I don't have kids, but I do
Speaker 2: feel like growing up as a kid. You know, if
Speaker 2: I was in different environments than I kind of somewhat
Speaker 2: you know, adapted to that environment. And I think we
Speaker 2: would both agree that, like the La social scene, especially
Speaker 2: for children is different than like the Florida social scene
Speaker 2: in Chicago, And so I do feel like you are
Speaker 2: somewhat a product of your environment, and especially being like
Speaker 2: a young teenager, I didn't tell my parents everything I
Speaker 2: was up to, you know, and so you know, it's
Speaker 2: some there are moments where you learn by doing or
Speaker 2: learn from experience, and so, you know, I think the
Speaker 2: cities that you're in could play a factor in that.
Speaker 1: No, for sure. But I also feel like for my kids,
Speaker 1: they were always like Sofia was a dancer and acting school,
Speaker 1: the busy, so busy. My boys were like athletes seven
Speaker 1: days a week.
Speaker 2: I was playing basketball too, but I still found some
Speaker 2: trouble to get into.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, my boys don't have any time.
Speaker 1: You you I could see you doing that, but my
Speaker 1: kids literally had like no, they literally have no time.
Speaker 1: They're so busy with their sports, training, rehabbing, like doing
Speaker 1: all this stuff to their body that it's like they
Speaker 1: don't real have time to like even go out, you know,
Speaker 1: but I definitely feel like, you know, maybe maybe a
Speaker 1: city does have a little bit, but I think the
Speaker 1: moral of the stories. I mean, you can live in
Speaker 1: LA and live in Calabasas and like you're away from everything,
Speaker 1: You're in the middle of nowhere. You know. I do
Speaker 1: feel like how you train your kids at home and
Speaker 1: how you, you know, discipline your kids has a lot
Speaker 1: to do with the way your kids turn out at
Speaker 1: the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do feel like, look, this is probably
Speaker 2: the first time we've had this conversation.
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like we never really talk about, like, yeah, kids, where.
Speaker 2: We would raise them. But I definitely I think I'm
Speaker 2: on record saying that I would love if if I
Speaker 2: had a son, if he played golf, you know, just
Speaker 2: because I love golf and I'd love to spend time
Speaker 2: with my kids on the golf course. And so I
Speaker 2: do feel like, you know, Florida would be a great
Speaker 2: spot for that. I love that, Okay, And now we
Speaker 2: know a lot of people people feel some type of
Speaker 2: way about us in our relationship, and so we wanted
Speaker 2: to shine a light on the shade. And so we
Speaker 2: both love Jimmy Kimmel in the mean tweet segment on
Speaker 2: his show. So we want to read some of the
Speaker 2: shadiest comments that we receive on our social media in
Speaker 2: a segment that we're calling block party.
Speaker 1: Who's invited to our block party today?
Speaker 2: Let's find out this comment came from a user on Instagram.
Speaker 1: When you have money, you never have to look for
Speaker 1: hawk girl. They'll find you. So does that mean I
Speaker 1: found you? What does that mean?
Speaker 2: I think what he's trying to say is that, you
Speaker 2: know there are times where you know, women gravitate towards
Speaker 2: guys with money, and you know, you see that most prevalent.
Speaker 2: I feel like these days and social media, and so
Speaker 2: I don't think you've necessarily searched me out because of
Speaker 2: our status. I feel like we casually ran into each
Speaker 2: other at a party and it kind of happened over time,
Speaker 2: you know, our relationship. And so I will say in
Speaker 2: between that, you know, there were some girls I had
Speaker 2: to like stiff arm and keep it at a distance,
Speaker 2: you know, but it was off. It was off for
Speaker 2: the greater, It was off for the.
Speaker 1: Great Okay, we need to talk more about that. I know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have my own money, so I
Speaker 1: don't know where that comes from I feel like I
Speaker 1: don't need, Like I feel like I'm I work, I
Speaker 1: make you know, I make great money. I am super independent.
Speaker 1: So I don't feel like that like whateverever come to question.
Speaker 1: But I do feel like people write that all the time,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like an Instagram they'll always pull like
Speaker 1: the money bag under like some of more stuff, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have my own money, by the way.
Speaker 2: So I don't know where I think people just assume
Speaker 2: and yeah, put their own opinions on us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of funny. Wait, what do you mean
Speaker 1: by stiff arm?
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, obviously when we met, I
Speaker 2: was dating, I was doing my thing, you know, and
Speaker 2: so there were some girls that, oh yeah, there were
Speaker 2: some girls that I felt like were opportunists, are looking
Speaker 2: to get close to me only because of my you know,
Speaker 2: family situation or status.
Speaker 1: And so can you tell when girls are about like
Speaker 1: that stuff?
Speaker 2: I can, because you know, for me, it's always like
Speaker 2: about chemistry and can we get along, can we have
Speaker 2: a conversation, Like obviously there's beautiful women everywhere, but if
Speaker 2: I can't hold a conversation with you or catch a
Speaker 2: vibe or do something with you, then it's not going
Speaker 2: to go anywhere, at least for me. And so, you know,
Speaker 2: I just think that it's very easy to kind of
Speaker 2: weed through, you know, the real in the fake.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, did you like grow
Speaker 1: up feeling like people wanted to be with you for
Speaker 1: all the wrong reasons?
Speaker 2: Yes, to a degree. I mean, it's just kind of
Speaker 2: inherently been how I'm maneuvered. You know. I feel like
Speaker 2: I have a very tight knit group of friends and family,
Speaker 2: and so that's kind of you know, who I kick
Speaker 2: it with and anybody else, even friends like I do
Speaker 2: feel like every now and then come along and are
Speaker 2: always interested in, oh, can you get me this shoe
Speaker 2: or that shoe? Or can you do this for me?
Speaker 2: That for me, and I think the same is true
Speaker 2: for relationships, you know, I feel like, and we've talked
Speaker 2: about this before, I feel like in today's age, a
Speaker 2: lot of relationships become transactional and what can you do
Speaker 2: for me? Or what have you done for me? And
Speaker 2: I feel like that might be partly why I've always
Speaker 2: liked to date older than me, because I do feel
Speaker 2: like sometimes people pressure on you to, you know, move
Speaker 2: faster than you're willing to if you know you're around
Speaker 2: the same age, and so I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: feel like, WHOA, Okay, I feel like that's my experience
Speaker 2: at least.
Speaker 1: Well, I do feel like I got you your first present.
Speaker 1: Before you got me anything, I got you something. Do
Speaker 1: you remember what I got you? This is years ago
Speaker 1: when we were just friends.
Speaker 2: Yes, you got me a tonal. Yep, I remember, I remember,
Speaker 2: and that's a great present. I still use that to
Speaker 2: this day.
Speaker 1: I know it's a great present. Yeah, But I was like,
Speaker 1: it's funny when people think I'm after you for your money.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, but that was slick though. That was slick.
Speaker 2: You send me a tone. You wanted me to get
Speaker 2: in shape, so that by the time we started dating
Speaker 2: exactly in shape.
Speaker 1: Right, because I was feeling you were going out a lot,
Speaker 1: you were seeing up late, eating a lot of junk.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, before we get together, I want to
Speaker 1: send him a tonal to get him in the best
Speaker 1: shape possible, and then I'm going.
Speaker 3: To be there.
Speaker 2: That is so funny, Big, I've picked up on what
Speaker 2: you putting down there. Comment number two says Jordan and
Speaker 2: Pip and may get a seventh ring after.
Speaker 1: All, I mean, I feel like that's.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily a mean tweet. I kind of like that tweet.
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe, Okay, somebody on ig said, why do
Speaker 1: I keep my same last name?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I feel like this.
Speaker 1: I feel like that comes up a lot, by the way,
Speaker 1: I want people want to know why when I changed
Speaker 1: my last name. Well, first of all, I've been Pippen
Speaker 1: longer than I was Yoning, and I feel like my
Speaker 1: kids are Pippen, And even if my last name was
Speaker 1: like Smith or Jones, I would have just kept it.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the actual last name
Speaker 1: that I have right now. I just feel like, why
Speaker 1: would I change my last name when it's my kid's
Speaker 1: last name. But if I was to get remarried, then
Speaker 1: obviously I would change my last name. I wouldn't hyphen it.
Speaker 1: I would just drop it and pick up my husband's name.
Speaker 1: But I feel like for me, I don't know why
Speaker 1: people think they think I'm holding on to this specific
Speaker 1: last name. And it has nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: name Pippen. It has everything to do with like, it's
Speaker 1: my kid's name. I don't want to be under a
Speaker 1: different last name right now while my kids are younger,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I've done a good job. My
Speaker 1: kids are doing great, they're getting older. Sophia's fourteen. So
Speaker 1: if I was to change my last name, I feel
Speaker 1: like I would feel okay with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair, And I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: that's your own personal decision to make, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like people people view things differently. I feel like
Speaker 1: when I left my last situation, I never wanted to
Speaker 1: have anything to do with that situation. I never put
Speaker 1: myself in those situations to turn into anyone that I
Speaker 1: spent time with. I avoid, you know, that whole situation.
Speaker 1: If if I ever dated or was with someone, when
Speaker 1: I leave that situation, like, I don't want to be
Speaker 1: in the same situation, like the same room, same anything.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, wherey to move on?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I feel that I feel that.
Speaker 1: We got this from a user on Instagram. Is the
Speaker 1: gap too big to overcome? Is our gap too big
Speaker 1: to overcome? What are we overcoming?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly, I don't feel like there's anything to overcome.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, we don't even pay attention
Speaker 2: to the game.
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like it's not really a factor.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be a factor when I'm like, when I'm
Speaker 1: like eighty five and you're like sixty five or whatever,
Speaker 1: when you're seventy and I'm eighty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean at that point, I feel.
Speaker 1: Like, are you leaving me that?
Speaker 2: No, we're to travel the world. I'm trying to see
Speaker 2: some stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at that point, you're not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: No. Well that was fun. You know, I appreciate talking
Speaker 2: about the age gap and episode two of Separation Anxiety.
Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with a new episode of
Speaker 2: Separation Anxiety. Make sure you follow us on Instagram at
Speaker 2: Separation Underscore Anxiety Underscore podcast And until then, Hie.
Speaker 1: We really enjoyed spending time with you.
Speaker 2: Peace,