WEBVTT - Rick Wilson & Tom Frieden 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.440 today's best minds. And New York City Mayor Eric Adams 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.760 has dropped his reelection bid. We have such a great 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:17.800 show for you today and the Lincoln Project's owned with 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:22.919 Wilson joins us to talk about the impending government shutdown. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:27.280 Then we'll talk to former CDC director doctor Tom Frieden 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.680 about his new book, The Formula for Better Health, How 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.000 to save millions of lives, including your own. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:37.320 But first the news Somalia. John Thune said the not 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.600 very quiet part out loud that the farmers need bailouts 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:42.519 because these stupid fucking tariffs. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:47.680 Yes, look, the farmers need bailouts. So does Argentina. We've 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:52.240 cut cancer funding, we've cut the weather services, we've cut 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:59.320 basically all you know, nih Greens for medical tests, for 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:05.000 different trials, for vaccines. We've cut this, we've cut that, 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.720 We've you know, But here's what we're going to do now, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:10.800 because none of this makes any sense. We're going to 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.200 bail out the farmers because you know why they need 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.600 a bail out, can you guess? Because of Trump's terrible 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.800 policies because of the tariffs. The tariffs are hurting the farmers, 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:27.039 but also because of canceling USAID, which was only supposed 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:32.440 to kill people overseas. But it turns out that USAID 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:38.479 was set up to use these crops and send them 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:43.240 overseas to feed starving people. But Elon Musk, the richest 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.520 man in the world, didn't like that one bit. And 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.240 so since he was running our government, because he had 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.200 donated so much money to Trump, and because Trump liked him, 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:56.040 and because he sucked up to Trump, he decided to 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.880 cancel USAID, And because Marco Rubio is a complete cow, 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.200 he went along with it. And now we are here. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:05.240 That sounds about right. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.480 So farmers are gonna get money. By the way, this 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:12.640 happened in Trump's first term, and farmers don't actually like 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:17.040 it because they have these farms and they're doing this. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:21.720 You know, it's just it undermines everything right to bail 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:26.280 people out in this way, it's just so fucked. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:30.639 Very stupid. So, Molly, my personal TikTok is very a 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:35.160 buzz because there is much of the left organizing and 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:40.799 information comes on TikTok. Benjamin net Yahu recently described that 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.119 the new owners of TikTok will be one of their 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.360 great assets and weapons in the war with Palestine. The 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.840 left is not very happy about this, and there's a 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.240 lot of fuckery going on since it seems like the 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.280 owners of Fox News will be on the board as well. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.960 Yeah, TikTok, which is basically owned by the Chinese government 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:03.359 and used to get our locations, maybe poison the brains 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.600 of our youth, including Jesse, no offense or anything. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.959 It's the evidence is clear on this podcast every day. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.440 So TikTok was meant to just do that. Our guy 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.320 Joe Biden decided that he was going to ban it. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.360 Good idea, very nonpartisan, and most people were not for it, 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.799 but both sides of the political aisle thought that banning 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.799 TikTok was a good idea. Why because there was no 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.520 transparency about the algorithm. So there was a question of 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.800 why the algorithm made Americans into psychos and Chinese children 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.800 into readers, right, I mean, there was certainly some difference there. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.640 And then also there was all this data collection, which is, 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.160 you know, the Chinese government has basically malware on all 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.640 of our phones, which in itself seems kind of bad. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.520 So there was the thought that they would shut down TikTok. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.720 Now because Donald Trump then became president and realized he 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.720 could make money on it or whatever, realized like why 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.080 shut something down when there's some way to play it 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.720 for me. He has decided to allow his friends to 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.640 take shares in it. But again, like this, because of 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.440 Trump World, nothing has been thought out really well. So 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.720 America's taitan steaks in different public companies. This is what 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.800 we usually think of as communism, but when Trump does it, 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.680 it's called okay for some reason. So they have. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:26.680 We're all crony capitalists now. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.640 Right, fifteen percent in Navidia trip Shale. And by the way, 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.400 because the law is not a thing anymore, we don't 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.080 even know what's really happening. We just know what they're 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.839 saying is happening. But the investors we think we have 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.400 been told are going to be in this TikTok dealer 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.000 Larry Allison, the Murdochs who you may remember from Fox News, 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.760 and Andreas and Horowitz. That guy has a very funny 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:54.479 shaped head. So we don't really quite understand what this means. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.239 China has been really clear that they do not want 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.719 to give America any kind of trans parency on the algorithm. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:06.640 Either way, this American government picking winners and losers. Maybe 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.360 Michael Dell's in it. We don't really know what's happening here, 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:14.279 but we do know one thing, which is that Benjamin Netanyaho, 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.679 she President of Israel, who recently spoke at the UN, 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:23.440 and many many, many world leaders just ran out because 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.359 they did not want to hear it. Benjamin Netanyaho was 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.520 recorded this week talking about how great it's going to 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:34.400 be that his allies will own TikTok and how happy 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.040 he is that his allies own X. In my mind, 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:42.839 that strikes me as probably an indication that this is 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.600 not going to be a free and fair media platform. 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:48.480 Yeah, I'm betting on it, but you know what I'm 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.240 not betting on. And you know I say this as 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.880 somebody who we all know is pretty far to the left, 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.920 is my fellow leftists are not going at leaving predatory apps, 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.919 as evidenced by that they are more present on Twitter 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.160 than most Democrats to their right. 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:02.760 Yeah, I don't know. 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:04.240 It's very disheartening. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.200 It's disheartening, but again, I think there is a world 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:12.200 in which the functionality of TikTok could be on Blue Sky, 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.559 the functionality of X. I mean, there's just the road 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:20.080 to Rome is paved with social media apps that have 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:20.920 been abandoned. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.919 Yeah, this could be their MySpace moment for sure. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:24.440 Yeah. 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.880 I will say, despite me being a Debbie downer there, 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.560 we did see that Threads by Many Metrics is now 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:31.880 performing better at daily use than Twitter. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.240 Yeah, even though it's also terrible, it's fine for me. 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.360 I mean it's owned by again, Like, are we gonna 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:39.640 have a contest about who's. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.240 I didn't mean in that context. I wasn't disgusting it 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.479 in that context. I agree with you. There's no argument 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.560 from here. Okay. Trump has announced tariffs on pharmaceuticals, furniture, 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.200 and heavy trucks starting October first. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:55.120 Yeah, it's interesting that he's picked those three things. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.240 It's that crodi capitalism think of picking winners and losers. 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:03.800 Well, it's also man in camera remember that from season one? 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:04.760 Never we'll forget it. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.520 Yeah, no, look, I don't fucking know again. Pharmaceuticals, it's 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.600 very stupid because there are some pharmaceuticals that you can't like. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.240 There will be patented drugs you can only get from 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.640 different countries that you won't be able to get. I 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.640 mean again, with all this stuff, you have to watch 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:22.600 for the cutouts because that's where a lot of the 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:27.400 cryptocracy happens. The cutouts are like Trump's little that is 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.280 where he picks the winners and losers. So you'll wait 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.560 and see on this again. I thought we had already 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.400 everything all of these tariffs, So I guess there will 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.040 be more tariffs, right because you know, one hundred percent 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:44.040 tariff on any branded or patented pharmaceutical product unless a 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:49.440 company is building their pharmaceutical manufacturing plants in America. Okay, 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:53.240 that is pretty vague. So we shall see. Are you 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:57.120 going to have ice arrest the people working in the plant, 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.560 because that's what you did at the Hondai plant in Georgia. 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.480 I mean, who wants to come here on open a 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.640 factory when you know that there's a non zero chance 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:08.840 that some of the people work in your factory will 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.760 get arrested. And you know, I mean remember that when 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:15.320 plane filled with South Koreans that was like two weeks ago. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:20.640 Yeah, so Bia, this one's pretty interesting. Oklahoma State Superintended 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.000 Ryan Walters has resigned. You may remember him from doing 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.760 many psychotic things in that office and bringing Oklahoma all 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.080 the way down to the bottom state in education. Great 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.679 work there, but he's leaving to pursue his passion, which 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:35.440 is getting rid of unions for teachers. 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.400 Wonder why he's leaving. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.839 He claims it's Charlie Kirk, right. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.240 I mean, that doesn't make a ton of sense. A 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.439 lot of times you see stories like this and then 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.440 you see stories that make this story make sense. But 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.480 maybe it's just his love of Turning Point USA. He 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.800 did say that every high school will have a Turning 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.199 Point USA Club America chapter. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.319 Yeah. I think there's a very funny thing of this. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.800 Is that maga thing of that. I did a terrible 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.800 job rutting it, so I should be elevated even higher. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.400 Listen, man, certainly possible. 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.840 Okay, you're ready to go to a circle of hell 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.920 that is very very dark. No, well tough. Clarence Thomas 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:20.760 says President might not determine cases on upcoming Supreme Court docket. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:26.840 The irony here is President hasn't determined cases it. I mean, really, 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.720 you don't say I think my man is whatever you 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.960 think that the Supreme Court can do. That's bad. Clarence 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:39.920 Thomas is hoping you'll just know that he's playing something worse. 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.559 I don't know, and I do give perspective to the president, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.760 but the president should be respectful of our legal tradition 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.640 and our country. Our laws are based on something not 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.440 just something somebody dreamt up and others went along with, 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.240 like gay marriage. Sorry he doesn't say gay marriage. But look, 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.959 things are gonna have to get worse before they get better, 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:09.600 and this is part of that. Rick Wilson is the 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.680 founder of the Lincoln Project and the host of the 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:12.640 Enemy's List. 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:17.120 Rick Wilson, Hello, comrade, are you reporting from the Antifa 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:18.720 Command and Control Bunker? 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:23.120 Okay, So, Republican Donald Trump has decided that the left 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.840 is now illegal the left? How does that work? 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.320 In good It doesn't work. Everybody should look at it 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:34.760 through two contextual lenses. One it's all Fox bait bullshit, right, 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:39.400 and two it's anything to stop the fact that people 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.480 are beginning to understand that he's going to shut down 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.679 the government this week to hide the Epstein files. 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:50.000 We are hurtling towards the government. Shutdown could happen as 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:54.840 soon as Tuesday night at midnight. Put also not happen. 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:59.280 Donald Trump had a meeting with Jeffries and Schumer, he 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:04.640 canceled it. Then in his infinite wisdom, he remade it 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.480 art of the deal. Why cancel it and then say 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.600 they can he supposedly this was reported, he said they 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:13.560 can fuck off. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:17.560 Look my take on it has always been, there's no 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:21.440 deal to be made with these people. Schumer and Jeffries 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.200 both think that they're going to protect people's healthcare by 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.520 making a deal that keeps the ACA subsidies in place. 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.800 If they have not Republicans also want well, of. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.439 Course they do, of course they do. But here's the thing. 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.600 If they don't understand that funding the CR continues to 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.360 fund all of Trump's other project twenty twenty five evils, 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:48.559 and that Trump has consistently violated the law and canceled 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:52.080 or changed the funding levels or reassign the funding of 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:58.800 congression right of congressionally appropriated and authorized expenditures over and 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.040 over again. And this is this isn't like Rick Wilson's 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:06.760 lib TRD opinion. This is in the constitution, however, and the. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:11.160 Book pocket recision in August piece in New York Times, 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.200 reading it today, yeah, here's. 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.280 What's gonna what I think what Trump would do. He 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.720 would go into the Jeffries and Schumer say well, fine, 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.319 all right, I'll keep the ACA stuff in and then 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.520 literally decide, oh, well, the Blue states are in rebellion, 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:29.000 so I'm canceling their part of the ACA preservation. If 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.640 he doesn't think they don't think that this is what 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:35.880 this guy's gonna do, or some similarly destructive, evil, crappy thing, 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.760 then they should not be in the offices they hold 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:39.319 right now. 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.040 Correct now, let's I want to go back to the 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.360 left being illegal. So this is like another one of 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:52.640 these Donald Trumpy proclamations that has no legal anything to it. Nope, 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:58.400 but he desperately wants to investigate George Soros and also 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.200 Reed Hoffmann, who is so afraid of being investigated by 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.040 Donald Trump he no longer even lives in this country. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:10.120 Molly, Donald Trump understands one important thing that there is 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.280 no one in DC who is going to stop him. 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.760 No one, Supreme Court is not going to stop him. 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.720 Certainly House aren't going to stop him. John soon that 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.680 wet Mattress isn't going to stop him. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.960 Well, today on the Sunday Shows, when Wilker said, do 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:28.800 you think it's okay that Trump sends troops into cities, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:38.840 thus violating the Posse Act. Soon says, what. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.680 Will stop him, and the only thing that's going to 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.199 stop him is losing the House. I don't buy the 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.080 argument that Trump wants to lose the House so he 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.040 can be a martyr again. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:47.520 No, absolutely not. 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.680 What will stop him is losing the House. Now. The 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:52.800 reason we're not going to get a cr this week 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.600 is that Mike Johnson cannot have the House in session 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:01.480 without having since Grialva one in air Zona, he cannot 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.040 have the House in session without the discharge vote to House. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.040 So he has to he would swear, and there's been 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:12.120 a new seat, there's been a Democrat elected. Now Democrats 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:17.520 have the numbers to pass this Epstein bill that would 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.320 in fact make it. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.880 And by the way, on Friday, I spoke to somebody 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:29.720 in the Republican political orbit that expressed to me the 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:33.800 level of investment in the White House of panic in 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.000 this is through the roof. There's been some reporting on it, 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:38.520 but the way it was described to me of this 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.400 person was, this is an all hands on deck hole 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.960 of government effort to stop this. They're doing everything they 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:46.840 can and. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.640 That's why the House is at a session. 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.400 Yes, I was also told he may declare this information 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:55.360 to be classified to prevent its release next week, So 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.320 we'll see if he does that. I don't think it 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.440 works for him the way he thinks it works. The 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.600 more he does this, the more people go, what is 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.920 in this thing? Is it a dead Is it a 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.440 dead girl? Or a live boy? Or or or a 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:07.840 bunch of goats? What is it? 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.560 I mean, it is the stri sand effect, right, that 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.680 you're going to hide something by making such a big 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.200 deal that everyone's going to be interested in it. I 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.800 thought Mike Johnson had said he might not seat that Congress. 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.880 He no, he has. Alreay said he won't seat her 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.640 even though she won the race by almost forty points. Right, 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:33.240 he's always said he won't seat her because of of reasons. 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:35.840 He doesn't have a reason. He's just saying, you won't 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:41.360 do it. But he recognizes now that that the government 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.160 will shut down, and no one's going to say, by 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.200 the way that the Republican one is, you're trying to 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.920 give you legals healthcare and free money, nobody's gonna buy it. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:49.760 Nobody buys it. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:51.520 Is nobody gonna buy it. Because I feel like a 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.520 shutdown is a messaging war. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.440 Here's the big part of it. If the economy was 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.360 booming and the government shut down, everyone would go damn 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.880 throw things off track. But Trump has already driven the 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.800 economy into the ditch. We're not reporting the inflation statistics 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.920 because do you think it's because they're great or terrible. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.520 We're not reporting unemployment statistics because because they. 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.240 Shared the head, right, Yes. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.680 And this weird guy that he replaced him with is like, 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.120 now we're just not gonna report anything. Yeah, we're just 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:22.320 gonna stop. We're not doing anything. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:23.880 Makes sense, you know. 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.720 But the left is illegal game. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.520 This hour is made. You're gonna meet with Trump also 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.200 does want a bailout for farmers who are being hurt 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:34.119 by his tariffs. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.120 You know what, Honest to god, Democrats, they do not 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.960 understand this yet. You notice all these articles these farmers 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.600 are like, our markets have collapsed, We're gonna lose our farms. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:46.160 We're in economic calamity. Oh no, what was the reason 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.640 for that? Who caused that? What single individual cause that? 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.520 And I gotta tell you something, if Jeffries and Schumer 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:56.120 walk in there without a demand to Trump, yeah, we'll 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.440 pass relief for farmers, undo the tariffs, right, now, right now, 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.760 give respect the power to do its tariffs and to 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.400 set tariffs right now. They should not negotiate with a terrorist. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.600 He is a terrorist. They don't understand this rule. We've 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.240 seen a lot of maga in the last week to 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.520 ten days, like trying to whip up this frenzy and 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.720 Tifa in Portland. We must invade the city, total war. 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.159 You know, I was in Portland, Brenanda were in Portland 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:25.360 in January, and the charming coffee shops and boutiques downtown 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.600 did not strike me as Mogadishu circa nineteen ninety one. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.560 And it's but it's a sign of how desperate they 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.200 are and how bad Trump's political standing is right now. 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.720 He needs to shake the tree. He needs to shake 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:42.040 things up and do something so that people don't every 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.879 day focus on how bad the economy is. And by 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:46.720 the way, Democrats, if they do end up in this 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.960 messaging war about the shutdown and farmers, there's a very 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.720 simple answer. Have the day you voted for, We tried 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:55.800 to help you. Donald Trump is the one who did 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:57.879 this to you. Donald Trump is the one who did 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.320 this to you. Not a single Democrat set a tariff 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.240 that is screwed American farmers an egg. Not a single 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:04.800 Democrat set those terraffs. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.800 Not a single Demoran canceled the foreign aid right. 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.320 Not a single Democrats decision killed the USA I D budget, 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.320 which paid American farmers an awful lot of money every 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.639 year to help feed impoverished people around the world. Not 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.120 a single one. So, I mean, I wish we could 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.359 declare stupidity to be illegal, but we clearly cannot in 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.639 this country. And what Trump has done is unbelievably stupid, 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.480 and the harm that is being done to these farmers. 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.640 You know, Look, the Democrats have this this health care, 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.399 health care. Health care is the only thing that matters. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.320 They think it's the only they think it's the one 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.719 sharp knife in the entire tool of the drawer. 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:41.879 They are tariffs. 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.000 The people hate it and they feel it and it's 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:49.080 hurting them every single day. And if you don't put 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:53.040 the tariffs onto Trump, the White House will say we didn't, 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:54.960 we didn't, we didn't set those tears, we didn't cause 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:55.800 China to cancel the. 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.359 Contracts right right now, It's true. 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.520 You're not to win back a lot of MAGA voters 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.600 if you're for the Democrats. By the way, by saying, oh, 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.600 poor babies, we'll we'll fix the problem Donald Trump caused 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.000 for you love us now because you know what they'll 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.040 do the second they do. They're like, well, I didn't 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.360 want to have them pedophiles we bail my farm out, 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:14.840 but I had to. 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.760 I just wonder how you make a deal with a terrorist, right, 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:20.840 I mean, that's the question. How do you make a 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.199 deal with someone you know will reap? I mean, this 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.560 is the problem that all of our allies are having too. 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.760 How do you make a deal with the country you 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:29.520 can't trust? 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:34.520 Listen Schumer and Jeffreys. Like Schumer had a terrible tweet 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.080 on Sunday, it was like, oh, Donald Trump's any troops 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.480 to Portland. Maybe focus on preserving healthcare instead. It's so 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.200 tone deaf, it's so tone deaf. 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:44.960 Well, you don't have to choose, right, No. 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.680 You don't. It's not an either or. They should walk 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:52.240 in that room and say, f you either undo the 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.640 tariffs right now, or you get no aid for your farmers. 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:59.600 And the Republicans in these red states whose people depend 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.520 on Medica Care, Medicaid, Social Security, and an ACA, they're 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.840 going to be coming to you pal, not us. We 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.240 didn't cut it a for it. You're the one who 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.240 cut those things. You're the one who has had the 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.840 stated desire from the very beginning of your first campaign 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.480 in twenty sixteen to burn the ACA to the ground. 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.600 Right us, Right, No, it's true, and there's and you 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.800 know Trump has said as much. 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:25.600 You know. 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:28.600 Yeah. The other thing you mentioned is like, how do 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.080 you negotiate with the terrorists? How do you negotiate with 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:35.000 a person who's senior aide Stephen Miller, is calling all 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:40.000 Democrats part of a global terrorist effort to destroy America. 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.280 How do you negotiate with a White House that put 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.760 out a hit list of Democratic leaders now this week, 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.440 a hit list that MAGA has decided is a hit list. 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.200 How do you negotiate with people who say that you 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:57.200 are terrorists, traders, murderers, pedophiles, criminals, globalist, shills, whatever the 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.080 phrase you want to pick, they're going to use it 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.040 on you. Don't negotiate with those people. There can be 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.119 only one outcome if you negotiate with them is that 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.720 they will betray you, They will screw you over, they 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.639 will put you in the ground, and God forbid. I know, 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:12.200 I know as an ex Republic and a lot of 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:15.200 Democrats are like, well, we can win on policy, sir. 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:16.359 No, No you can't. 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:18.000 Yeah, you can't. 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.359 I mean, at least Jeffries and Humor are aligned that 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.959 they both want they both which they have that they 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.440 were not in March, so if any we have that. 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:32.439 But it's more like, I just think they can't explain 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:37.359 it in a way that you know, if you say tariffs, 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.960 we want you to end the tariffs and we'll give 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.480 you the bailout, that makes a lot of sense versus 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:47.480 like a twenty five line soliloquy on healthcare and premiums. 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.520 I'm not sure people understand premiums. 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:53.359 No, they don't, of course, it's a classic Democratic bank 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.920 shot problem. Well, they'll they'll they'll see their bill rise, 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.919 and they'll understand that if we had negotiated a cr 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.760 with these provisions. They will never do that. Voters will 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.199 never do that. In fact, I'm going I'm gonna get 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.719 in trouble for saying this. I want voters to suffer 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:10.760 right now. I want them to experience the pain of 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:15.000 Donald Trump's mistakes. Democrats should not relieve Donald Trump of 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.840 the political burden he has placed on the Republican Party, 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.640 they should not save him. They're going to save him. 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:24.680 And that's why a lot of Republicans want those subsidies. 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:28.080 And that's why, you know, the problem with the twenty 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.440 twenty four cycle was you would say to voters Trump 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:33.080 wants to take this stuff away, and they'd say, no, 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.160 he didn't last time, right, right, So if he didn't 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:37.840 do it last time, why would you do it this time? 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:41.919 And that created a lot of incentive structure for Trump. 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:46.040 The other thing that Democrats, if they vote for the CR, 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:48.520 I know it's only a seven week CR, right right, 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.120 if they have this illusion that will fight the fight later. 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.440 That's seven more weeks of Stephen Miller's secret police forces 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:57.440 being in our streets funded fully. That's seven more weeks 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.919 of Russell Vought running the Project twenty twenty five the gen. 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:02.960 That's seven more weeks of Brendan Carr trying to shut 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:06.600 down free speech with broadcast networks. That's seven more weeks 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:11.320 of Donald Trump deploying Pete Hegseth to drag four hundred 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:15.280 generals into a room for whatever mysterious goddamn reason. That's 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:20.720 seven more weeks of Donald Trump burning down the economy. 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:24.560 They are there. If they relieve him of this, of 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.800 the pain he's going to cause American voters, they are 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:28.359 fools writ large. 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:37.639 But if we hurtle into a shutdown, which is very possible, 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:42.439 then you have a question of who can withstand the 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:43.080 most pain. 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.240 The Democrats are in the minority. They don't have any 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.879 responsibilities in Washington. The White House is controlled by MAGA. 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.840 The House is controlled by MAGA. The Senate is controlled 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.600 by MAGA. The Supreme Court is controlled by MAGA. Nobody 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.080 thinks the Democrats can do shit about fuck right now, Molly, 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.560 So they might as well just say let it burn. 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:02.880 It's all on you, Donald. 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.920 But eventually someone's gonna I mean so Russ Vaughan has 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:10.199 this memo that he's going to fire everybody in the world. 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.919 Yeah, I mean so, let him do it. Let him 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.240 do it, let them do it. It will hasten the 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:21.240 economic collapse into a massive recession. We're already teetering on it. 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.960 It will hasten the economic collapse. That Donald Trump owns 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:28.040 lock Stock and Beryl. He has done this to us. 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:33.679 There's been zero democratic voice or role in designing this 0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:37.760 economic calamity. And this is where Trump's own arrogance, it 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:41.119 will doom him. He's I'm in charge of everything. I 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.840 run everything. No one can do anything without me and 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:47.159 my and my permission. Okay, you're right, boss, that's what 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.119 you did, has You're right, you burn it all down. 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:55.199 By the way, the idea that voters will reward Democrats 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.240 for being responsible leaders. 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.760 Right, that's never happened ever, right, I mean. 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:03.359 That's yeah, never, that never in the history of that, right. 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:07.840 Right, And that's true. And I do think, yeah, voters 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:11.240 will never reward that kind of behavior. So you could 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:15.240 get into a shutdown and you think eventually Trump will cave, 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.320 because he has historically caved. 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:20.760 The problem is the longer we're shut down the now. 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:22.960 The one upside for Trump in a shutdown is the 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:24.800 longer we're in a shutdown, he will just say, can't 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:28.160 release the Epstein file, So sorry, guys, shutdown. Right, That's 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.240 the only upside for Trump. And it should tell you 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:33.760 everything about this that they understand this very intimately. They 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:37.840 get the political delaying factor that this will cause. 0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:41.720 And you have voting in New Jersey, not New Jersey 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:43.080 yet coming. 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:46.760 Virginia, voting Virginias and New Jersey. I think his next 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:49.119 soon Wednesday soon. 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:51.160 I mean, how does that factor. 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.760 Well look in New Jersey. I think Cheryl's in pretty 0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:59.679 good shape. In Virginia, the Republican candidate is historically bad, Yes, 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:04.200 and that is causing a lot. Yes, when the Republicans 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:06.160 picks winsomsters, they weren't sending their best. 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:10.240 Yes, that is she's she's like, she's really up there 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.639 with the It proves. 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:15.399 That point that it's really hard for MAGA to scale 0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:18.080 when it's not Donald Trump. We've been talking in a 0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:19.280 deep red state or district. 0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:23.200 We have been talking about MAGA scaling for like we've 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:26.600 been doing this for a fucking decade. Yeah, and it's 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:30.440 so sad, but it is true. We've gotten so much, 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:33.320 We've gotten so old. As much as trump Ism is 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:37.600 terrifying at this moment, there have been so many losses 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:40.000 that I don't think people have. I mean, I just 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.639 want for two seconds, because I was I was on 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:46.359 TV earlier and the block before me, there was like 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:50.520 a reporter, a White House reporter who came from the caller, 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:55.080 who was notching through all of Trump's wins, and I, 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:57.119 you know, and maybe he'll go to Portland, but like 0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.919 he didn't go to Chicago. What he did in now 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.600 was considered illegal. I know he doesn't care about illegal, 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:07.680 but it was. He has He lost on the chemo fight, right, 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:11.720 lost against Sinclair. If there ever were a group that 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:16.240 wanted to the best for Donald Trump, who Claire Sinclair? Okay, 0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:20.159 so these are already three big losses then, you know, 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:24.160 I mean there's been you know, in court again and again, 0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:26.240 except when it comes to the Supreme Court because they're 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:29.840 his buddies. But I mean he has really this has 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.840 not been the cake walk he plays it to be. 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:35.760 No, Molly, Look, I think this is really important to understand. 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:41.480 Donald Trump is a historically unpopular president. About a third 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:43.480 of America loves Donald Trump with the fire of a 0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:47.600 billion suns. The rest of America is on a scale 0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:51.479 somewhere between disappointment, dislike and would not piss on him 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.520 if he was on fire. This is not a popular president. 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:57.680 His numbers are in the mid thirties, now creeping toward 0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:01.000 the low thirties. His numbers on the most important leadership 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:07.720 valence right now the economy are insanely underwater. He's twenty 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.200 to twenty seven points underwater on various economic scoring things 0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:16.600 like the tariffs, like inflation, like prices, like jobs. No 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:19.760 one believes in the economic vision that Donald Trump has created, 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:24.800 including a majority of Republicans. Yeah, they understand that he 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.919 is an incompetent. The craziness was always excused in the past, 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.040 but now you can't excuse it anymore. You can't pretend 0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.760 it doesn't exist anymore. You can't pretend it doesn't have 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:38.200 a direct and immediate impact anymore, because it does. 0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:45.280 Luke Wilson, Molly John Fast. Tom Freeden is the former 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.720 director of the CDC and the author of the Formula 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.800 for Better Life, How to Save millions of lives, including 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:56.800 your own. Welcome to Fast Politics, Tom, great to speak 0:28:56.800 --> 0:29:01.600 with you. You are former CDC director. Would be malpractice 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.000 if I did not ask you just quickly about these 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.640 Kennedy hearings. I know you're here to promote a book, 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:10.280 but talk to me about what is going on here. 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:16.000 This isn't about democratic versus Republican. There's been plenty of 0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:20.680 Republican and democratic partnership and successes in public health, both 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:24.719 in the US and globally. This is about fact versus fiction. 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:31.520 This is about simple, clear, plain truths versus debunked misinformation, 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:36.400 and what we're seeing is the systematic destruction of the 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:41.680 vaccine protections that Americans depend on. How far they'll go, 0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:47.560 I don't know, but it's clearly a huge risk to kids, adults, 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:49.040 and seniors in this country. 0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:53.600 Let's just talk for a minute about this risk we 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:57.400 live through the pandemic we are in this moment. I mean, 0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:00.120 do you ever think, as a doctor who's specially I 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:02.080 was in public health and it has led many of 0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:05.440 these agencies that you would live in a time when 0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.800 there's such hostility towards science. 0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:11.160 I could never have believed that a day would come 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:14.840 when I can't trust what's on the CDC website. What 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:18.560 we see is really a hijacking of the CDC brand. 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:23.560 You have twelve or so political appointees and no career 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:27.280 officials running the agency at this point. So it's really 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:30.880 concerning what we're seeing, and of course it does reflect 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:34.280 a lot of suspicion, a lot of hostility, a lot 0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:38.320 of lack of understanding, and real mistakes that public health 0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:41.160 made at state, city, and national levels. 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:45.040 Your book focuses on sort of the macro the micro 0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.560 of public health. Talk to me about the micro or 0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:49.320 the macro with. 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:53.640 This, well, what the Formula for Better Health outlines is 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:57.200 an approach that has been proven to save millions of 0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:01.280 lives that can save millions more. Actually, is also quite 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:06.520 relevant for individual health decisions. It's to see, believe, and create, 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.400 to see things that are not obvious, that are not apparent, 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:15.320 whether it's trends in society, or whether programs are working 0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:19.080 or failing, or what The real pathway to progress is 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:23.760 to believe we can make progress by recognizing past progress 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:28.640 and making phased progress now and maintaining optimism, which sounds 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:32.440 delusional today, but actually there are ways to do it 0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:35.840 and it's evidence based. And finally, to create a healthier future, 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:42.960 which requires simplifying, organizing, communicating, and overcoming the inevitable barriers 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.120 that are in the way of public health progress. 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:47.240 What are some of those barriers. 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:51.000 Here's a conceptual thing that you may be interested in, Molly, 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:54.000 maybe not. There's something called the Cassandra curse, and the 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.720 Cassandra curse. Cassandra from Greek mythology could see the future, 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.560 but she was cursed. Nobody believed her, and so the 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:04.360 tragedies that she could foresee came to pass because people 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:08.440 didn't change their behavior to prevent them. Public health, individuals, 0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:11.440 and society in general have had a Cassandrickers. We can 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.840 predict what's going to happen, but we can't stop it. 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:16.080 There are a lot of reasons for that curse, but 0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:20.000 one of them is something called the prevention paradox. And 0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:23.800 the prevention paradox basically says that the things that make 0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.520 the biggest difference to the health of society only make 0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:31.640 a very little difference to each individual. That might be 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.320 putting folid in your food, or iodine in the food, 0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:40.080 or reducing transpat which we've done at my organization with 0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:42.760 the World Health Organization that is going to prevent something 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:47.280 like nine million deaths. But those changes, because the benefits 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:51.920 are diffuse but the costs are concentrated, create a structural 0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:56.480 challenge that most things that advance public health are good 0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:59.600 for everyone a little bit and bad for a few 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:04.200 groups like tobacco executives a lot, and so in our 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.760 political system and in most political systems around the world, 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.560 there is a lot of opposition to things that are 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.400 good for everyone somewhat and can make a huge difference 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:15.000 to health. 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.480 I would love you to talk about herd immunity because 0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:23.479 this seems like a very important point in this Cassandra paradox. Right, 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:27.480 we know this is bad. We know something real bad's 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:31.200 coming on herd immunity. Talk us through what this. 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:35.280 Is and what this looks like for any one child. 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.480 You know, there are a lot of benefits to not 0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:40.760 being vaccinated. It hurts, you have to take time out 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:44.080 of your schedule. It may cost some money or travel. 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:46.880 There's a one in a million chance that something bad 0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:50.160 will happen, but only if all the other parents don't 0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:53.440 say that and everyone else gets vaccinated. I started my 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:57.080 public health career in New York City on huge measles 0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.880 outbreaks that were happening at the time. Thousands of cases, 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:04.080 hundreds of kids hospitalized, dozens of kids severely ill or dying. 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.320 And the only way we can stop measles is by 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:10.920 getting a very high immunity. We really all are connected. 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.360 Your health doesn't just depend on you, It also depends 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:15.200 on your community. 0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.160 I assume that this must be the same as it 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:21.400 was with the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic. Is there something 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.719 we can learn from history about how to win back 0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:26.000 hearts and minds with this. 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.640 One thing that's very consistent? If you look back at 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:34.200 the historical record, people just stop talking about the pandemic 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:36.960 right after it. They just didn't want to deal with it. 0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:38.759 They didn't want to talk about it. And I think 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:43.040 that's what we're seeing with the current period and COVID. 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:47.800 The way public health succeeds is by communicating better, listening 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:51.560 to what people have to say, by making consistent winds, 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:56.680 small wins to rebuild a trust, progress on things that 0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:01.840 people care about, and avoiding require anything unless it's really 0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:03.040 essential to require. 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:07.920 So what does that mean? Avoiding requiring anything unless it's essential. 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.600 That seems like could cover a lot. 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:11.480 It could. 0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:14.799 I think when we look back on COVID, many of 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.880 the mandates really were bad ideas. When it came to vaccination, 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:23.600 Initially it looked like vaccination prevented you from getting and 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:27.240 spreading COVID. As more data came out, it became clear 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.600 that the primary benefit of COVID vaccination is to the 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:34.600 person vaccinated, and so it's more like a motorcycle helmet 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.520 law than it is like a school entry requirement to 0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.000 get vaccinated so we don't have outbreaks in the schools. 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:44.720 That kind of mandate really alienated people and didn't actually 0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.280 help us to reduce deaths in the longer term. 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:49.960 I'm sort of surprised to hear you say this. You know, 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.439 it strikes me that you were just learning in real 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:56.480 time and you didn't know what you didn't know, So 0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.399 I just wonder how you came to this. 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:05.480 There's a lot of nuance, right the pandemic changed, vaccines 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:10.759 became available, immunity increased, our knowledge of the virus, and 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:15.279 the illness increased. But there's a big difference between requiring 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:20.360 individuals to do something and requiring harmful companies to do something. 0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:24.959 So it's one thing to require the tobacco industry to 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:29.560 stop spiking cigarettes with the things that make it more addictive, 0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:34.240 or stop food companies from adding a toxin called trans 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.680 that that was killing half a million people before. That 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:42.120 kind of requirement protects people, and the only real opposition 0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.520 is the self interested companies that want to block it. 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:49.760 Whereas even all other industries will benefit because their workers 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:53.399 will be healthier, healthcare costs will be lower, productivity will 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:58.480 be higher. But when it comes to requiring things of individuals, 0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:01.920 the key is that we just with time, there's a 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:05.080 lot of nuance, and to understand if we look back 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:09.440 at COVID, I'd divide the pandemic into three phases. In 0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:13.480 the first there was no vaccine. In that phase, things 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:20.160 like closures of indoor spaces, masking requirements, distancing really did 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:23.640 make a big difference. In the second phase, when vaccine 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:29.000 became available, the quicker seniors were vaccinated, the better communities 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:32.640 did because the vast majority of deaths were in seniors. 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:36.000 And in the third phase, when the omicron wave hit, 0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:40.360 it became impossible to really stop the spread through things 0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:44.520 like contact tracing and quarantine and masks were less effective. 0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:47.560 It was really going to spread through society. In that phase, 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:53.160 How effective communities were reaching everyone really made a huge difference. 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:57.920 But fundamentally, public health succeeds when it can see the 0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:01.840 problems and path forward, telling people together to believe that 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:08.239 it's stoppable, and then systematically organize, simplify, communicate and overcome 0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:09.120 the challenges. 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:12.040 If you were CDC director right now, what would you 0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:14.359 do to restore public face in public health? 0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.160 I would always be clear about what we know, what 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:20.160 we don't know, how we know it, what we recommended. 0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:24.120 I would start every recommendation based on based on what 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.200 we know. Now here's what we're saying and what we 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.560 know now is if you're over sixty five or you 0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:34.040 have an immune problem or rather vulnerability, the evidence from 0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.600 the past few years is very clear that getting a 0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:41.360 booster with the COVID vaccine will reduce your chances of 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:45.320 being seriously ill or dying. We're not recommending that anyone 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:49.040 be required to get a COVID booster, but we want 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.680 to make sure that everyone can get one. For people 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.520 who are younger, you're not likely to die from COVID. 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:58.160 You are likely to have less severe illness if you 0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:01.279 get vaccinated, So I think that you should have the 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.560 availability of that vaccine. 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:08.360 Yeah. How worried are you about having someone who's heading 0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:13.200 this huge public health organization who's sort of antathetical to 0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:15.839 medicine the way we've known it. 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:19.200 I think what you have to do with the current 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:23.440 leadership of HHS is to always look at what they're 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:26.880 doing versus what they're saying. I mean, a lot of 0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:30.759 the things they say I agree with, they're really important. Right. 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:35.720 They're saying they want to restore confidence, but they're undermined confidence. 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:39.000 They're saying they want to restore gold standard science, but 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:42.680 they're actually undermining gold standard science. They're saying they want 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:46.600 to eliminate conflicts of interest, but they're actually inserting huge 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:51.440 conflicts of interest. They say they want to address chronic disease. Great, 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:56.040 except they just eliminated the entire tobacco control, cardiovascular health, 0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:59.000 and cancer programs at CDC. They say they want to 0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:03.640 reduce environmental contamination, but they've rolled back laws and regulations 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:08.439 on forever chemicals like pfas on deadly soot, particulate matter 0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:13.000 two point five on mercury and arsenic poisoning. They say 0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:16.160 they want to make America healthier, but they're undermining our 0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:21.000 protections against measles, influenza, COVID and other threats. 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:24.200 Do you have a sense for the food safety stuff, 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.080 because that seems like a big deal too. 0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:30.799 It is amazing. They are defunding something called food net. 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:35.640 It's a national network that tracks if there are contaminants 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:39.160 in your food, and therefore we won't be able to 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:43.120 track things like campelobacter and listeria, which happened to be 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:47.080 two bacterial infections which are spread by guess what raw 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:52.120 milk and what are they cause? They cause miscarriages, meningitis, weakness, 0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:55.640 big problems with people who get infections, and a lot 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:59.959 of minor illnesses of people who misswork, school, economic cost. 0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.880 The thing that does give me hope is that facts 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:08.279 are stubborn things. Even if you deny them, misuse them, 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:12.920 suppress them, ignore them, try to prevent people from finding 0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:17.680 them out, they remain facts. And also people want to 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:21.239 be healthy. A lot of the concerns we're hearing from 0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:25.640 the MAHA movement they're valid concerns. A lot of the 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:29.759 concerns about money in medicine, those are valid concerns. And 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:32.879 what I would say to the general public is if 0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:36.840 anyone is trying to tell you anything, don't believe anything 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:37.840 they say about. 0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:41.840 Health right And that is a big part of MAHA. 0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:45.480 There's a lot of financial incentives. 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:49.439 Huge, but I think the concerns are real. People don't 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.720 know who to trust. One out of three Americans doesn't 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:56.680 have a primary care clinician, no doctor who they can trust, 0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:58.919 they can choose, they can trust, who can interpret what's 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.799 happening for them. And one of the things I get 0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:06.280 to in the book is thinking about what does public 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:10.279 health tell us about individual health? If you want to 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:14.200 live a longer, healthier life with a lower risk of dementia. 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.320 There are proven ways to do that, and they're not 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:21.400 that complicated, and most of them are pretty inexpensive and 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:24.799 can be done either on your own or with the 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.000 help of a good primary care doctor, a family physician. 0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:30.160 I mean, are they doing anything to get the food 0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.799 dies out to work on that, which seems like an 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:34.920 important issue. 0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:38.879 This is really performative. You look at the switch from 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:44.600 high fruct corn syrup to regular sugar, essentially zero difference 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:46.960 in terms of health. I don't know if it tastes differently. 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.799 That's not my area of expertise, but these are things 0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:54.719 that sound good. One thing that we know absolutely from 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:59.400 our work in food policy is that anything that's voluntary 0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:03.040 with industry will fail. We've tried over and over again. 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:06.560 It just doesn't work. And if you look at the 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:10.360 things that really work on nutrition policy, they're things like 0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:16.120 soda taxes very effective. They're like front of pack warnings 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.400 that many countries in Latin America have done very effective. 0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:25.120 There are things like limiting sodium in processed food or 0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:29.960 strengthening healthy food requirements for grocery stores that participate in 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:34.320 the SNAP program. None of those things are even mentioned, 0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:37.759 let alone done, And when they talk about things like 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:41.319 getting junk food out of our school meals, they talk 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.400 about working to improve it, not about a timeline or 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:49.120 a focus. So I think the diagnosis is not bad, 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:53.120 the intent is not bad, or the stated intent is 0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:57.560 not bad, but the actions don't meet the words right. 0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:00.719 And that sounds like a lot of what we know 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:03.640 in Trump world. If there's one thing if you're listening 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:05.479 to this, because a lot of the people who listen 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.799 this podcasts are like me, they're just trying to keep 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.919 their own family safe, what would you say are sort 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.120 of the most important things if you're listening to this 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:16.760 just to keep your family safe. 0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:21.279 Well? For personal health, there are really six keys to 0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:25.120 personal health. The first is under emphasized. It's blood pressure, 0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:28.800 keeping your blood pressure in control ideally under one twenty 0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:34.080 over eighty. The second is healthy cholesterol. Lots more people 0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:37.320 should frankly be honest that than are well. I'm on 0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:42.440 a stat okay, getting regular physical activity, which doesn't have 0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:45.479 to mean go to the gym. You know, only five 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:47.320 percent of people are ever going to go to the gym, 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:51.480 But if you take four thirty minute risk walks a week, 0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:55.800 it's a miracle. Drug you do more good than most 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:59.239 of medicines that you can take. There's also importance of 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:04.759 getting enough sleep seven hours of sleep, avoiding toxins, including tobacco, alcohol, 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.960 and some of the newer things that are real concerns. Well, 0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:13.120 the big three I think of as endocrine disruptors, nanoparticles, 0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:17.279 and microplastics. They are all over our environment, and we 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:20.600 really don't know how severe the harms are. We know 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.319 that they can cause hans, but we don't know how 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:25.960 big a problem it is. And there are so many 0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:28.000 of them. How do you focus? How do you be 0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:32.040 getting them out? We need to have a lot of research, 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:33.879 We need to have a lot of action. We need 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:37.360 to work with industry to understand what's in there, because 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:40.600 it's everywhere and you can't turn our backs on all 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:42.720 of this stuff. But you do want to make sure 0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:45.520 that the things that are actually harming people you get 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:47.880 out of the environment so we don't have the next 0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:51.399 asbestos or the next trans fat, because those two things 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.920 were introduced because they were thought to be more convenient 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:58.239 and healthier. And the last thing, and maybe the most complicated, 0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:02.399 is nutrition. Healthy nutrition. On an individual basis, people can 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:06.600 do a few things. One is have more potassium than sodium. 0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:10.719 We actually have a potassium deficiency. It's our most important 0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:14.040 dietary deficiency. Most people only consume a half to two 0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.720 thirds the amount of potassium they need. If you consume 0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:21.800 more potassium than sodium, your heart will be much healthier 0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:25.440 and you'll have more energy. So reducing sodium increasing potassium 0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:30.480 is important. Limiting free sugars and limiting processed meat. All 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.960 three of those things are really proven to improve. There 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:36.840 are lots of other things, like increasing fiber that probably 0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:40.680 can help your health significantly. And there's another whole set 0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.520 of things in addition to those six that can reduce 0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:44.799 your risk of dementia. 0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:47.160 Diet coke, yes or now that's. 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:49.920 A yellow lage, right, We really don't know. This is 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:51.760 one of the areas where we have to be frank 0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:54.200 about what we know and what we don't know. It's 0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:59.640 probably not as bad as regular coke. It's definitely worse 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:00.000 than one. 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.200 Oh wait, it's not as bad as regular kroke. But 0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:04.920 what about the artificial sweetener. 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:09.200 It's probably not as bad. I wouldn't say definitely. There's 0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:11.440 really just not that much evidence. And one of the 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:13.759 things that we have to do clearly, And what I 0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:17.160 outline in the book is be clear about how certain 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.600 we are. There's certain things that we're essentially certain of. 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:22.080 There are other things that are likely correct, but we 0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:24.720 should be humble because in the future we may find 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.920 something different out There are other things that are maybes, 0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:30.800 but there's some evidence, and then there are wild guesses 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:33.520 where we really don't know what the reality is. And 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:37.319 when it comes to artificial sweeteners, they're not healthy. They 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.480 may be better for you than sugar because they have 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:43.000 fewer calories, and calories are a big problem, but it's 0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:45.560 a lot better not to have them to have them. 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.920 Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Tom. I feel pretty 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:50.279 good that I can go off a die coke. 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:54.160 Now that's a hard question, not simple. You would find 0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:58.200 a pretty vigorous debate among the people who really study 0:47:58.239 --> 0:47:58.760 this stuff. 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:01.640 Oh, I believe it. Thank you, Tom, Thank you, thank you. 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:02.640 I hope you'll come back. 0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:03.520 I would love to. 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:11.480 No moment, Rick Wilson, Molly dug Fast, what is your 0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:12.360 moment of huckery? 0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:15.719 My moment of fuckery is Stephen Miller this week whining 0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:18.799 like a stuck hog because he got his feefees hurt 0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:21.319 to grab a Newsome called him a fascist. He got 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:24.839 very angry about it, right so much, and it's just mean. 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:28.400 It's so funny because it's like this guy says stuff 0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:31.280 that we're like, you know, he's up there like doing 0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:35.160 his best gurbls and then someone calls him he's a fascist, 0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:36.440 and he's so offended. 0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:39.839 You know what if the jack boot fits, wear it, motherfucker. 0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:42.640 Ooh, luckily you're allowed to curse here. 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:44.600 Thank goodness, Thank. 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:45.319 You for joining us. 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:46.000 See you soon. 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:51.320 That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:56.880 every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:01.279 minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. 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