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Speaker 2: But first the news Somalia. John Thune said the not
Speaker 2: very quiet part out loud that the farmers need bailouts
Speaker 2: because these stupid fucking tariffs.
Speaker 1: Yes, look, the farmers need bailouts. So does Argentina. We've
Speaker 1: cut cancer funding, we've cut the weather services, we've cut
Speaker 1: basically all you know, nih Greens for medical tests, for
Speaker 1: different trials, for vaccines. We've cut this, we've cut that,
Speaker 1: We've you know, But here's what we're going to do now,
Speaker 1: because none of this makes any sense. We're going to
Speaker 1: bail out the farmers because you know why they need
Speaker 1: a bail out, can you guess? Because of Trump's terrible
Speaker 1: policies because of the tariffs. The tariffs are hurting the farmers,
Speaker 1: but also because of canceling USAID, which was only supposed
Speaker 1: to kill people overseas. But it turns out that USAID
Speaker 1: was set up to use these crops and send them
Speaker 1: overseas to feed starving people. But Elon Musk, the richest
Speaker 1: man in the world, didn't like that one bit. And
Speaker 1: so since he was running our government, because he had
Speaker 1: donated so much money to Trump, and because Trump liked him,
Speaker 1: and because he sucked up to Trump, he decided to
Speaker 1: cancel USAID, And because Marco Rubio is a complete cow,
Speaker 1: he went along with it. And now we are here.
Speaker 2: That sounds about right.
Speaker 1: So farmers are gonna get money. By the way, this
Speaker 1: happened in Trump's first term, and farmers don't actually like
Speaker 1: it because they have these farms and they're doing this.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it undermines everything right to bail
Speaker 1: people out in this way, it's just so fucked.
Speaker 2: Very stupid. So, Molly, my personal TikTok is very a
Speaker 2: buzz because there is much of the left organizing and
Speaker 2: information comes on TikTok. Benjamin net Yahu recently described that
Speaker 2: the new owners of TikTok will be one of their
Speaker 2: great assets and weapons in the war with Palestine. The
Speaker 2: left is not very happy about this, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of fuckery going on since it seems like the
Speaker 2: owners of Fox News will be on the board as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, TikTok, which is basically owned by the Chinese government
Speaker 1: and used to get our locations, maybe poison the brains
Speaker 1: of our youth, including Jesse, no offense or anything.
Speaker 2: It's the evidence is clear on this podcast every day.
Speaker 1: So TikTok was meant to just do that. Our guy
Speaker 1: Joe Biden decided that he was going to ban it.
Speaker 1: Good idea, very nonpartisan, and most people were not for it,
Speaker 1: but both sides of the political aisle thought that banning
Speaker 1: TikTok was a good idea. Why because there was no
Speaker 1: transparency about the algorithm. So there was a question of
Speaker 1: why the algorithm made Americans into psychos and Chinese children
Speaker 1: into readers, right, I mean, there was certainly some difference there.
Speaker 1: And then also there was all this data collection, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, the Chinese government has basically malware on all
Speaker 1: of our phones, which in itself seems kind of bad.
Speaker 1: So there was the thought that they would shut down TikTok.
Speaker 1: Now because Donald Trump then became president and realized he
Speaker 1: could make money on it or whatever, realized like why
Speaker 1: shut something down when there's some way to play it
Speaker 1: for me. He has decided to allow his friends to
Speaker 1: take shares in it. But again, like this, because of
Speaker 1: Trump World, nothing has been thought out really well. So
Speaker 1: America's taitan steaks in different public companies. This is what
Speaker 1: we usually think of as communism, but when Trump does it,
Speaker 1: it's called okay for some reason. So they have.
Speaker 2: We're all crony capitalists now.
Speaker 1: Right, fifteen percent in Navidia trip Shale. And by the way,
Speaker 1: because the law is not a thing anymore, we don't
Speaker 1: even know what's really happening. We just know what they're
Speaker 1: saying is happening. But the investors we think we have
Speaker 1: been told are going to be in this TikTok dealer
Speaker 1: Larry Allison, the Murdochs who you may remember from Fox News,
Speaker 1: and Andreas and Horowitz. That guy has a very funny
Speaker 1: shaped head. So we don't really quite understand what this means.
Speaker 1: China has been really clear that they do not want
Speaker 1: to give America any kind of trans parency on the algorithm.
Speaker 1: Either way, this American government picking winners and losers. Maybe
Speaker 1: Michael Dell's in it. We don't really know what's happening here,
Speaker 1: but we do know one thing, which is that Benjamin Netanyaho,
Speaker 1: she President of Israel, who recently spoke at the UN,
Speaker 1: and many many, many world leaders just ran out because
Speaker 1: they did not want to hear it. Benjamin Netanyaho was
Speaker 1: recorded this week talking about how great it's going to
Speaker 1: be that his allies will own TikTok and how happy
Speaker 1: he is that his allies own X. In my mind,
Speaker 1: that strikes me as probably an indication that this is
Speaker 1: not going to be a free and fair media platform.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm betting on it, but you know what I'm
Speaker 2: not betting on. And you know I say this as
Speaker 2: somebody who we all know is pretty far to the left,
Speaker 2: is my fellow leftists are not going at leaving predatory apps,
Speaker 2: as evidenced by that they are more present on Twitter
Speaker 2: than most Democrats to their right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's very disheartening.
Speaker 1: It's disheartening, but again, I think there is a world
Speaker 1: in which the functionality of TikTok could be on Blue Sky,
Speaker 1: the functionality of X. I mean, there's just the road
Speaker 1: to Rome is paved with social media apps that have
Speaker 1: been abandoned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this could be their MySpace moment for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I will say, despite me being a Debbie downer there,
Speaker 2: we did see that Threads by Many Metrics is now
Speaker 2: performing better at daily use than Twitter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even though it's also terrible, it's fine for me.
Speaker 1: I mean it's owned by again, Like, are we gonna
Speaker 1: have a contest about who's.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean in that context. I wasn't disgusting it
Speaker 2: in that context. I agree with you. There's no argument
Speaker 2: from here. Okay. Trump has announced tariffs on pharmaceuticals, furniture,
Speaker 2: and heavy trucks starting October first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting that he's picked those three things.
Speaker 2: It's that crodi capitalism think of picking winners and losers.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also man in camera remember that from season one?
Speaker 2: Never we'll forget it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, look, I don't fucking know again. Pharmaceuticals, it's
Speaker 1: very stupid because there are some pharmaceuticals that you can't like.
Speaker 1: There will be patented drugs you can only get from
Speaker 1: different countries that you won't be able to get. I
Speaker 1: mean again, with all this stuff, you have to watch
Speaker 1: for the cutouts because that's where a lot of the
Speaker 1: cryptocracy happens. The cutouts are like Trump's little that is
Speaker 1: where he picks the winners and losers. So you'll wait
Speaker 1: and see on this again. I thought we had already
Speaker 1: everything all of these tariffs, So I guess there will
Speaker 1: be more tariffs, right because you know, one hundred percent
Speaker 1: tariff on any branded or patented pharmaceutical product unless a
Speaker 1: company is building their pharmaceutical manufacturing plants in America. Okay,
Speaker 1: that is pretty vague. So we shall see. Are you
Speaker 1: going to have ice arrest the people working in the plant,
Speaker 1: because that's what you did at the Hondai plant in Georgia.
Speaker 1: I mean, who wants to come here on open a
Speaker 1: factory when you know that there's a non zero chance
Speaker 1: that some of the people work in your factory will
Speaker 1: get arrested. And you know, I mean remember that when
Speaker 1: plane filled with South Koreans that was like two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Bia, this one's pretty interesting. Oklahoma State Superintended
Speaker 2: Ryan Walters has resigned. You may remember him from doing
Speaker 2: many psychotic things in that office and bringing Oklahoma all
Speaker 2: the way down to the bottom state in education. Great
Speaker 2: work there, but he's leaving to pursue his passion, which
Speaker 2: is getting rid of unions for teachers.
Speaker 1: Wonder why he's leaving.
Speaker 2: He claims it's Charlie Kirk, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, that doesn't make a ton of sense. A
Speaker 1: lot of times you see stories like this and then
Speaker 1: you see stories that make this story make sense. But
Speaker 1: maybe it's just his love of Turning Point USA. He
Speaker 1: did say that every high school will have a Turning
Speaker 1: Point USA Club America chapter.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's a very funny thing of this.
Speaker 2: Is that maga thing of that. I did a terrible
Speaker 2: job rutting it, so I should be elevated even higher.
Speaker 1: Listen, man, certainly possible.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're ready to go to a circle of hell
Speaker 2: that is very very dark. No, well tough. Clarence Thomas
Speaker 2: says President might not determine cases on upcoming Supreme Court docket.
Speaker 1: The irony here is President hasn't determined cases it. I mean, really,
Speaker 1: you don't say I think my man is whatever you
Speaker 1: think that the Supreme Court can do. That's bad. Clarence
Speaker 1: Thomas is hoping you'll just know that he's playing something worse.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I do give perspective to the president,
Speaker 1: but the president should be respectful of our legal tradition
Speaker 1: and our country. Our laws are based on something not
Speaker 1: just something somebody dreamt up and others went along with,
Speaker 1: like gay marriage. Sorry he doesn't say gay marriage. But look,
Speaker 1: things are gonna have to get worse before they get better,
Speaker 1: and this is part of that. Rick Wilson is the
Speaker 1: founder of the Lincoln Project and the host of the
Speaker 1: Enemy's List.
Speaker 3: Rick Wilson, Hello, comrade, are you reporting from the Antifa
Speaker 3: Command and Control Bunker?
Speaker 1: Okay, So, Republican Donald Trump has decided that the left
Speaker 1: is now illegal the left? How does that work?
Speaker 3: In good It doesn't work. Everybody should look at it
Speaker 3: through two contextual lenses. One it's all Fox bait bullshit, right,
Speaker 3: and two it's anything to stop the fact that people
Speaker 3: are beginning to understand that he's going to shut down
Speaker 3: the government this week to hide the Epstein files.
Speaker 1: We are hurtling towards the government. Shutdown could happen as
Speaker 1: soon as Tuesday night at midnight. Put also not happen.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump had a meeting with Jeffries and Schumer, he
Speaker 1: canceled it. Then in his infinite wisdom, he remade it
Speaker 1: art of the deal. Why cancel it and then say
Speaker 1: they can he supposedly this was reported, he said they
Speaker 1: can fuck off.
Speaker 3: Look my take on it has always been, there's no
Speaker 3: deal to be made with these people. Schumer and Jeffries
Speaker 3: both think that they're going to protect people's healthcare by
Speaker 3: making a deal that keeps the ACA subsidies in place.
Speaker 1: If they have not Republicans also want well, of.
Speaker 3: Course they do, of course they do. But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: If they don't understand that funding the CR continues to
Speaker 3: fund all of Trump's other project twenty twenty five evils,
Speaker 3: and that Trump has consistently violated the law and canceled
Speaker 3: or changed the funding levels or reassign the funding of
Speaker 3: congression right of congressionally appropriated and authorized expenditures over and
Speaker 3: over again. And this is this isn't like Rick Wilson's
Speaker 3: lib TRD opinion. This is in the constitution, however, and the.
Speaker 1: Book pocket recision in August piece in New York Times,
Speaker 1: reading it today, yeah, here's.
Speaker 3: What's gonna what I think what Trump would do. He
Speaker 3: would go into the Jeffries and Schumer say well, fine,
Speaker 3: all right, I'll keep the ACA stuff in and then
Speaker 3: literally decide, oh, well, the Blue states are in rebellion,
Speaker 3: so I'm canceling their part of the ACA preservation. If
Speaker 3: he doesn't think they don't think that this is what
Speaker 3: this guy's gonna do, or some similarly destructive, evil, crappy thing,
Speaker 3: then they should not be in the offices they hold
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: Correct now, let's I want to go back to the
Speaker 1: left being illegal. So this is like another one of
Speaker 1: these Donald Trumpy proclamations that has no legal anything to it. Nope,
Speaker 1: but he desperately wants to investigate George Soros and also
Speaker 1: Reed Hoffmann, who is so afraid of being investigated by
Speaker 1: Donald Trump he no longer even lives in this country.
Speaker 3: Molly, Donald Trump understands one important thing that there is
Speaker 3: no one in DC who is going to stop him.
Speaker 3: No one, Supreme Court is not going to stop him.
Speaker 3: Certainly House aren't going to stop him. John soon that
Speaker 3: wet Mattress isn't going to stop him.
Speaker 1: Well, today on the Sunday Shows, when Wilker said, do
Speaker 1: you think it's okay that Trump sends troops into cities,
Speaker 1: thus violating the Posse Act. Soon says, what.
Speaker 3: Will stop him, and the only thing that's going to
Speaker 3: stop him is losing the House. I don't buy the
Speaker 3: argument that Trump wants to lose the House so he
Speaker 3: can be a martyr again.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: What will stop him is losing the House. Now. The
Speaker 3: reason we're not going to get a cr this week
Speaker 3: is that Mike Johnson cannot have the House in session
Speaker 3: without having since Grialva one in air Zona, he cannot
Speaker 3: have the House in session without the discharge vote to House.
Speaker 1: So he has to he would swear, and there's been
Speaker 1: a new seat, there's been a Democrat elected. Now Democrats
Speaker 1: have the numbers to pass this Epstein bill that would
Speaker 1: in fact make it.
Speaker 3: And by the way, on Friday, I spoke to somebody
Speaker 3: in the Republican political orbit that expressed to me the
Speaker 3: level of investment in the White House of panic in
Speaker 3: this is through the roof. There's been some reporting on it,
Speaker 3: but the way it was described to me of this
Speaker 3: person was, this is an all hands on deck hole
Speaker 3: of government effort to stop this. They're doing everything they
Speaker 3: can and.
Speaker 1: That's why the House is at a session.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was also told he may declare this information
Speaker 3: to be classified to prevent its release next week, So
Speaker 3: we'll see if he does that. I don't think it
Speaker 3: works for him the way he thinks it works. The
Speaker 3: more he does this, the more people go, what is
Speaker 3: in this thing? Is it a dead Is it a
Speaker 3: dead girl? Or a live boy? Or or or a
Speaker 3: bunch of goats? What is it?
Speaker 1: I mean, it is the stri sand effect, right, that
Speaker 1: you're going to hide something by making such a big
Speaker 1: deal that everyone's going to be interested in it. I
Speaker 1: thought Mike Johnson had said he might not seat that Congress.
Speaker 3: He no, he has. Alreay said he won't seat her
Speaker 3: even though she won the race by almost forty points. Right,
Speaker 3: he's always said he won't seat her because of of reasons.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have a reason. He's just saying, you won't
Speaker 3: do it. But he recognizes now that that the government
Speaker 3: will shut down, and no one's going to say, by
Speaker 3: the way that the Republican one is, you're trying to
Speaker 3: give you legals healthcare and free money, nobody's gonna buy it.
Speaker 3: Nobody buys it.
Speaker 1: Is nobody gonna buy it. Because I feel like a
Speaker 1: shutdown is a messaging war.
Speaker 3: Here's the big part of it. If the economy was
Speaker 3: booming and the government shut down, everyone would go damn
Speaker 3: throw things off track. But Trump has already driven the
Speaker 3: economy into the ditch. We're not reporting the inflation statistics
Speaker 3: because do you think it's because they're great or terrible.
Speaker 3: We're not reporting unemployment statistics because because they.
Speaker 1: Shared the head, right, Yes.
Speaker 3: And this weird guy that he replaced him with is like,
Speaker 3: now we're just not gonna report anything. Yeah, we're just
Speaker 3: gonna stop. We're not doing anything.
Speaker 1: Makes sense, you know.
Speaker 3: But the left is illegal game.
Speaker 1: This hour is made. You're gonna meet with Trump also
Speaker 1: does want a bailout for farmers who are being hurt
Speaker 1: by his tariffs.
Speaker 3: You know what, Honest to god, Democrats, they do not
Speaker 3: understand this yet. You notice all these articles these farmers
Speaker 3: are like, our markets have collapsed, We're gonna lose our farms.
Speaker 3: We're in economic calamity. Oh no, what was the reason
Speaker 3: for that? Who caused that? What single individual cause that?
Speaker 3: And I gotta tell you something, if Jeffries and Schumer
Speaker 3: walk in there without a demand to Trump, yeah, we'll
Speaker 3: pass relief for farmers, undo the tariffs, right, now, right now,
Speaker 3: give respect the power to do its tariffs and to
Speaker 3: set tariffs right now. They should not negotiate with a terrorist.
Speaker 3: He is a terrorist. They don't understand this rule. We've
Speaker 3: seen a lot of maga in the last week to
Speaker 3: ten days, like trying to whip up this frenzy and
Speaker 3: Tifa in Portland. We must invade the city, total war.
Speaker 3: You know, I was in Portland, Brenanda were in Portland
Speaker 3: in January, and the charming coffee shops and boutiques downtown
Speaker 3: did not strike me as Mogadishu circa nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 3: And it's but it's a sign of how desperate they
Speaker 3: are and how bad Trump's political standing is right now.
Speaker 3: He needs to shake the tree. He needs to shake
Speaker 3: things up and do something so that people don't every
Speaker 3: day focus on how bad the economy is. And by
Speaker 3: the way, Democrats, if they do end up in this
Speaker 3: messaging war about the shutdown and farmers, there's a very
Speaker 3: simple answer. Have the day you voted for, We tried
Speaker 3: to help you. Donald Trump is the one who did
Speaker 3: this to you. Donald Trump is the one who did
Speaker 3: this to you. Not a single Democrat set a tariff
Speaker 3: that is screwed American farmers an egg. Not a single
Speaker 3: Democrat set those terraffs.
Speaker 1: Not a single Demoran canceled the foreign aid right.
Speaker 3: Not a single Democrats decision killed the USA I D budget,
Speaker 3: which paid American farmers an awful lot of money every
Speaker 3: year to help feed impoverished people around the world. Not
Speaker 3: a single one. So, I mean, I wish we could
Speaker 3: declare stupidity to be illegal, but we clearly cannot in
Speaker 3: this country. And what Trump has done is unbelievably stupid,
Speaker 3: and the harm that is being done to these farmers.
Speaker 3: You know, Look, the Democrats have this this health care,
Speaker 3: health care. Health care is the only thing that matters.
Speaker 3: They think it's the only they think it's the one
Speaker 3: sharp knife in the entire tool of the drawer.
Speaker 1: They are tariffs.
Speaker 3: The people hate it and they feel it and it's
Speaker 3: hurting them every single day. And if you don't put
Speaker 3: the tariffs onto Trump, the White House will say we didn't,
Speaker 3: we didn't, we didn't set those tears, we didn't cause
Speaker 3: China to cancel the.
Speaker 1: Contracts right right now, It's true.
Speaker 3: You're not to win back a lot of MAGA voters
Speaker 3: if you're for the Democrats. By the way, by saying, oh,
Speaker 3: poor babies, we'll we'll fix the problem Donald Trump caused
Speaker 3: for you love us now because you know what they'll
Speaker 3: do the second they do. They're like, well, I didn't
Speaker 3: want to have them pedophiles we bail my farm out,
Speaker 3: but I had to.
Speaker 1: I just wonder how you make a deal with a terrorist, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the question. How do you make a
Speaker 1: deal with someone you know will reap? I mean, this
Speaker 1: is the problem that all of our allies are having too.
Speaker 1: How do you make a deal with the country you
Speaker 1: can't trust?
Speaker 3: Listen Schumer and Jeffreys. Like Schumer had a terrible tweet
Speaker 3: on Sunday, it was like, oh, Donald Trump's any troops
Speaker 3: to Portland. Maybe focus on preserving healthcare instead. It's so
Speaker 3: tone deaf, it's so tone deaf.
Speaker 1: Well, you don't have to choose, right, No.
Speaker 3: You don't. It's not an either or. They should walk
Speaker 3: in that room and say, f you either undo the
Speaker 3: tariffs right now, or you get no aid for your farmers.
Speaker 3: And the Republicans in these red states whose people depend
Speaker 3: on Medica Care, Medicaid, Social Security, and an ACA, they're
Speaker 3: going to be coming to you pal, not us. We
Speaker 3: didn't cut it a for it. You're the one who
Speaker 3: cut those things. You're the one who has had the
Speaker 3: stated desire from the very beginning of your first campaign
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen to burn the ACA to the ground.
Speaker 1: Right us, Right, No, it's true, and there's and you
Speaker 1: know Trump has said as much.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The other thing you mentioned is like, how do
Speaker 3: you negotiate with the terrorists? How do you negotiate with
Speaker 3: a person who's senior aide Stephen Miller, is calling all
Speaker 3: Democrats part of a global terrorist effort to destroy America.
Speaker 3: How do you negotiate with a White House that put
Speaker 3: out a hit list of Democratic leaders now this week,
Speaker 3: a hit list that MAGA has decided is a hit list.
Speaker 3: How do you negotiate with people who say that you
Speaker 3: are terrorists, traders, murderers, pedophiles, criminals, globalist, shills, whatever the
Speaker 3: phrase you want to pick, they're going to use it
Speaker 3: on you. Don't negotiate with those people. There can be
Speaker 3: only one outcome if you negotiate with them is that
Speaker 3: they will betray you, They will screw you over, they
Speaker 3: will put you in the ground, and God forbid. I know,
Speaker 3: I know as an ex Republic and a lot of
Speaker 3: Democrats are like, well, we can win on policy, sir.
Speaker 1: No, No you can't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least Jeffries and Humor are aligned that
Speaker 1: they both want they both which they have that they
Speaker 1: were not in March, so if any we have that.
Speaker 1: But it's more like, I just think they can't explain
Speaker 1: it in a way that you know, if you say tariffs,
Speaker 1: we want you to end the tariffs and we'll give
Speaker 1: you the bailout, that makes a lot of sense versus
Speaker 1: like a twenty five line soliloquy on healthcare and premiums.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure people understand premiums.
Speaker 3: No, they don't, of course, it's a classic Democratic bank
Speaker 3: shot problem. Well, they'll they'll they'll see their bill rise,
Speaker 3: and they'll understand that if we had negotiated a cr
Speaker 3: with these provisions. They will never do that. Voters will
Speaker 3: never do that. In fact, I'm going I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: in trouble for saying this. I want voters to suffer
Speaker 3: right now. I want them to experience the pain of
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's mistakes. Democrats should not relieve Donald Trump of
Speaker 3: the political burden he has placed on the Republican Party,
Speaker 3: they should not save him. They're going to save him.
Speaker 1: And that's why a lot of Republicans want those subsidies.
Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, the problem with the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four cycle was you would say to voters Trump
Speaker 1: wants to take this stuff away, and they'd say, no,
Speaker 1: he didn't last time, right, right, So if he didn't
Speaker 1: do it last time, why would you do it this time?
Speaker 1: And that created a lot of incentive structure for Trump.
Speaker 3: The other thing that Democrats, if they vote for the CR,
Speaker 3: I know it's only a seven week CR, right right,
Speaker 3: if they have this illusion that will fight the fight later.
Speaker 3: That's seven more weeks of Stephen Miller's secret police forces
Speaker 3: being in our streets funded fully. That's seven more weeks
Speaker 3: of Russell Vought running the Project twenty twenty five the gen.
Speaker 3: That's seven more weeks of Brendan Carr trying to shut
Speaker 3: down free speech with broadcast networks. That's seven more weeks
Speaker 3: of Donald Trump deploying Pete Hegseth to drag four hundred
Speaker 3: generals into a room for whatever mysterious goddamn reason. That's
Speaker 3: seven more weeks of Donald Trump burning down the economy.
Speaker 3: They are there. If they relieve him of this, of
Speaker 3: the pain he's going to cause American voters, they are
Speaker 3: fools writ large.
Speaker 1: But if we hurtle into a shutdown, which is very possible,
Speaker 1: then you have a question of who can withstand the
Speaker 1: most pain.
Speaker 3: The Democrats are in the minority. They don't have any
Speaker 3: responsibilities in Washington. The White House is controlled by MAGA.
Speaker 3: The House is controlled by MAGA. The Senate is controlled
Speaker 3: by MAGA. The Supreme Court is controlled by MAGA. Nobody
Speaker 3: thinks the Democrats can do shit about fuck right now, Molly,
Speaker 3: So they might as well just say let it burn.
Speaker 3: It's all on you, Donald.
Speaker 1: But eventually someone's gonna I mean so Russ Vaughan has
Speaker 1: this memo that he's going to fire everybody in the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so, let him do it. Let him
Speaker 3: do it, let them do it. It will hasten the
Speaker 3: economic collapse into a massive recession. We're already teetering on it.
Speaker 3: It will hasten the economic collapse. That Donald Trump owns
Speaker 3: lock Stock and Beryl. He has done this to us.
Speaker 3: There's been zero democratic voice or role in designing this
Speaker 3: economic calamity. And this is where Trump's own arrogance, it
Speaker 3: will doom him. He's I'm in charge of everything. I
Speaker 3: run everything. No one can do anything without me and
Speaker 3: my and my permission. Okay, you're right, boss, that's what
Speaker 3: you did, has You're right, you burn it all down.
Speaker 3: By the way, the idea that voters will reward Democrats
Speaker 3: for being responsible leaders.
Speaker 1: Right, that's never happened ever, right, I mean.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, never, that never in the history of that, right.
Speaker 1: Right, And that's true. And I do think, yeah, voters
Speaker 1: will never reward that kind of behavior. So you could
Speaker 1: get into a shutdown and you think eventually Trump will cave,
Speaker 1: because he has historically caved.
Speaker 3: The problem is the longer we're shut down the now.
Speaker 3: The one upside for Trump in a shutdown is the
Speaker 3: longer we're in a shutdown, he will just say, can't
Speaker 3: release the Epstein file, So sorry, guys, shutdown. Right, That's
Speaker 3: the only upside for Trump. And it should tell you
Speaker 3: everything about this that they understand this very intimately. They
Speaker 3: get the political delaying factor that this will cause.
Speaker 1: And you have voting in New Jersey, not New Jersey
Speaker 1: yet coming.
Speaker 3: Virginia, voting Virginias and New Jersey. I think his next
Speaker 3: soon Wednesday soon.
Speaker 1: I mean, how does that factor.
Speaker 3: Well look in New Jersey. I think Cheryl's in pretty
Speaker 3: good shape. In Virginia, the Republican candidate is historically bad, Yes,
Speaker 3: and that is causing a lot. Yes, when the Republicans
Speaker 3: picks winsomsters, they weren't sending their best.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is she's she's like, she's really up there
Speaker 1: with the It proves.
Speaker 3: That point that it's really hard for MAGA to scale
Speaker 3: when it's not Donald Trump. We've been talking in a
Speaker 3: deep red state or district.
Speaker 1: We have been talking about MAGA scaling for like we've
Speaker 1: been doing this for a fucking decade. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: so sad, but it is true. We've gotten so much,
Speaker 1: We've gotten so old. As much as trump Ism is
Speaker 1: terrifying at this moment, there have been so many losses
Speaker 1: that I don't think people have. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: want for two seconds, because I was I was on
Speaker 1: TV earlier and the block before me, there was like
Speaker 1: a reporter, a White House reporter who came from the caller,
Speaker 1: who was notching through all of Trump's wins, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe he'll go to Portland, but like
Speaker 1: he didn't go to Chicago. What he did in now
Speaker 1: was considered illegal. I know he doesn't care about illegal,
Speaker 1: but it was. He has He lost on the chemo fight, right,
Speaker 1: lost against Sinclair. If there ever were a group that
Speaker 1: wanted to the best for Donald Trump, who Claire Sinclair? Okay,
Speaker 1: so these are already three big losses then, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean there's been you know, in court again and again,
Speaker 1: except when it comes to the Supreme Court because they're
Speaker 1: his buddies. But I mean he has really this has
Speaker 1: not been the cake walk he plays it to be.
Speaker 3: No, Molly, Look, I think this is really important to understand.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is a historically unpopular president. About a third
Speaker 3: of America loves Donald Trump with the fire of a
Speaker 3: billion suns. The rest of America is on a scale
Speaker 3: somewhere between disappointment, dislike and would not piss on him
Speaker 3: if he was on fire. This is not a popular president.
Speaker 3: His numbers are in the mid thirties, now creeping toward
Speaker 3: the low thirties. His numbers on the most important leadership
Speaker 3: valence right now the economy are insanely underwater. He's twenty
Speaker 3: to twenty seven points underwater on various economic scoring things
Speaker 3: like the tariffs, like inflation, like prices, like jobs. No
Speaker 3: one believes in the economic vision that Donald Trump has created,
Speaker 3: including a majority of Republicans. Yeah, they understand that he
Speaker 3: is an incompetent. The craziness was always excused in the past,
Speaker 3: but now you can't excuse it anymore. You can't pretend
Speaker 3: it doesn't exist anymore. You can't pretend it doesn't have
Speaker 3: a direct and immediate impact anymore, because it does.
Speaker 1: Luke Wilson, Molly John Fast. Tom Freeden is the former
Speaker 1: director of the CDC and the author of the Formula
Speaker 1: for Better Life, How to Save millions of lives, including
Speaker 1: your own. Welcome to Fast Politics, Tom, great to speak
Speaker 1: with you. You are former CDC director. Would be malpractice
Speaker 1: if I did not ask you just quickly about these
Speaker 1: Kennedy hearings. I know you're here to promote a book,
Speaker 1: but talk to me about what is going on here.
Speaker 4: This isn't about democratic versus Republican. There's been plenty of
Speaker 4: Republican and democratic partnership and successes in public health, both
Speaker 4: in the US and globally. This is about fact versus fiction.
Speaker 4: This is about simple, clear, plain truths versus debunked misinformation,
Speaker 4: and what we're seeing is the systematic destruction of the
Speaker 4: vaccine protections that Americans depend on. How far they'll go,
Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's clearly a huge risk to kids, adults,
Speaker 4: and seniors in this country.
Speaker 1: Let's just talk for a minute about this risk we
Speaker 1: live through the pandemic we are in this moment. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you ever think, as a doctor who's specially I
Speaker 1: was in public health and it has led many of
Speaker 1: these agencies that you would live in a time when
Speaker 1: there's such hostility towards science.
Speaker 4: I could never have believed that a day would come
Speaker 4: when I can't trust what's on the CDC website. What
Speaker 4: we see is really a hijacking of the CDC brand.
Speaker 4: You have twelve or so political appointees and no career
Speaker 4: officials running the agency at this point. So it's really
Speaker 4: concerning what we're seeing, and of course it does reflect
Speaker 4: a lot of suspicion, a lot of hostility, a lot
Speaker 4: of lack of understanding, and real mistakes that public health
Speaker 4: made at state, city, and national levels.
Speaker 1: Your book focuses on sort of the macro the micro
Speaker 1: of public health. Talk to me about the micro or
Speaker 1: the macro with.
Speaker 4: This, well, what the Formula for Better Health outlines is
Speaker 4: an approach that has been proven to save millions of
Speaker 4: lives that can save millions more. Actually, is also quite
Speaker 4: relevant for individual health decisions. It's to see, believe, and create,
Speaker 4: to see things that are not obvious, that are not apparent,
Speaker 4: whether it's trends in society, or whether programs are working
Speaker 4: or failing, or what The real pathway to progress is
Speaker 4: to believe we can make progress by recognizing past progress
Speaker 4: and making phased progress now and maintaining optimism, which sounds
Speaker 4: delusional today, but actually there are ways to do it
Speaker 4: and it's evidence based. And finally, to create a healthier future,
Speaker 4: which requires simplifying, organizing, communicating, and overcoming the inevitable barriers
Speaker 4: that are in the way of public health progress.
Speaker 1: What are some of those barriers.
Speaker 4: Here's a conceptual thing that you may be interested in, Molly,
Speaker 4: maybe not. There's something called the Cassandra curse, and the
Speaker 4: Cassandra curse. Cassandra from Greek mythology could see the future,
Speaker 4: but she was cursed. Nobody believed her, and so the
Speaker 4: tragedies that she could foresee came to pass because people
Speaker 4: didn't change their behavior to prevent them. Public health, individuals,
Speaker 4: and society in general have had a Cassandrickers. We can
Speaker 4: predict what's going to happen, but we can't stop it.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of reasons for that curse, but
Speaker 4: one of them is something called the prevention paradox. And
Speaker 4: the prevention paradox basically says that the things that make
Speaker 4: the biggest difference to the health of society only make
Speaker 4: a very little difference to each individual. That might be
Speaker 4: putting folid in your food, or iodine in the food,
Speaker 4: or reducing transpat which we've done at my organization with
Speaker 4: the World Health Organization that is going to prevent something
Speaker 4: like nine million deaths. But those changes, because the benefits
Speaker 4: are diffuse but the costs are concentrated, create a structural
Speaker 4: challenge that most things that advance public health are good
Speaker 4: for everyone a little bit and bad for a few
Speaker 4: groups like tobacco executives a lot, and so in our
Speaker 4: political system and in most political systems around the world,
Speaker 4: there is a lot of opposition to things that are
Speaker 4: good for everyone somewhat and can make a huge difference
Speaker 4: to health.
Speaker 1: I would love you to talk about herd immunity because
Speaker 1: this seems like a very important point in this Cassandra paradox. Right,
Speaker 1: we know this is bad. We know something real bad's
Speaker 1: coming on herd immunity. Talk us through what this.
Speaker 4: Is and what this looks like for any one child.
Speaker 4: You know, there are a lot of benefits to not
Speaker 4: being vaccinated. It hurts, you have to take time out
Speaker 4: of your schedule. It may cost some money or travel.
Speaker 4: There's a one in a million chance that something bad
Speaker 4: will happen, but only if all the other parents don't
Speaker 4: say that and everyone else gets vaccinated. I started my
Speaker 4: public health career in New York City on huge measles
Speaker 4: outbreaks that were happening at the time. Thousands of cases,
Speaker 4: hundreds of kids hospitalized, dozens of kids severely ill or dying.
Speaker 4: And the only way we can stop measles is by
Speaker 4: getting a very high immunity. We really all are connected.
Speaker 4: Your health doesn't just depend on you, It also depends
Speaker 4: on your community.
Speaker 1: I assume that this must be the same as it
Speaker 1: was with the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic. Is there something
Speaker 1: we can learn from history about how to win back
Speaker 1: hearts and minds with this.
Speaker 4: One thing that's very consistent? If you look back at
Speaker 4: the historical record, people just stop talking about the pandemic
Speaker 4: right after it. They just didn't want to deal with it.
Speaker 4: They didn't want to talk about it. And I think
Speaker 4: that's what we're seeing with the current period and COVID.
Speaker 4: The way public health succeeds is by communicating better, listening
Speaker 4: to what people have to say, by making consistent winds,
Speaker 4: small wins to rebuild a trust, progress on things that
Speaker 4: people care about, and avoiding require anything unless it's really
Speaker 4: essential to require.
Speaker 1: So what does that mean? Avoiding requiring anything unless it's essential.
Speaker 1: That seems like could cover a lot.
Speaker 3: It could.
Speaker 4: I think when we look back on COVID, many of
Speaker 4: the mandates really were bad ideas. When it came to vaccination,
Speaker 4: Initially it looked like vaccination prevented you from getting and
Speaker 4: spreading COVID. As more data came out, it became clear
Speaker 4: that the primary benefit of COVID vaccination is to the
Speaker 4: person vaccinated, and so it's more like a motorcycle helmet
Speaker 4: law than it is like a school entry requirement to
Speaker 4: get vaccinated so we don't have outbreaks in the schools.
Speaker 4: That kind of mandate really alienated people and didn't actually
Speaker 4: help us to reduce deaths in the longer term.
Speaker 1: I'm sort of surprised to hear you say this. You know,
Speaker 1: it strikes me that you were just learning in real
Speaker 1: time and you didn't know what you didn't know, So
Speaker 1: I just wonder how you came to this.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of nuance, right the pandemic changed, vaccines
Speaker 4: became available, immunity increased, our knowledge of the virus, and
Speaker 4: the illness increased. But there's a big difference between requiring
Speaker 4: individuals to do something and requiring harmful companies to do something.
Speaker 4: So it's one thing to require the tobacco industry to
Speaker 4: stop spiking cigarettes with the things that make it more addictive,
Speaker 4: or stop food companies from adding a toxin called trans
Speaker 4: that that was killing half a million people before. That
Speaker 4: kind of requirement protects people, and the only real opposition
Speaker 4: is the self interested companies that want to block it.
Speaker 4: Whereas even all other industries will benefit because their workers
Speaker 4: will be healthier, healthcare costs will be lower, productivity will
Speaker 4: be higher. But when it comes to requiring things of individuals,
Speaker 4: the key is that we just with time, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of nuance, and to understand if we look back
Speaker 4: at COVID, I'd divide the pandemic into three phases. In
Speaker 4: the first there was no vaccine. In that phase, things
Speaker 4: like closures of indoor spaces, masking requirements, distancing really did
Speaker 4: make a big difference. In the second phase, when vaccine
Speaker 4: became available, the quicker seniors were vaccinated, the better communities
Speaker 4: did because the vast majority of deaths were in seniors.
Speaker 4: And in the third phase, when the omicron wave hit,
Speaker 4: it became impossible to really stop the spread through things
Speaker 4: like contact tracing and quarantine and masks were less effective.
Speaker 4: It was really going to spread through society. In that phase,
Speaker 4: How effective communities were reaching everyone really made a huge difference.
Speaker 4: But fundamentally, public health succeeds when it can see the
Speaker 4: problems and path forward, telling people together to believe that
Speaker 4: it's stoppable, and then systematically organize, simplify, communicate and overcome
Speaker 4: the challenges.
Speaker 1: If you were CDC director right now, what would you
Speaker 1: do to restore public face in public health?
Speaker 4: I would always be clear about what we know, what
Speaker 4: we don't know, how we know it, what we recommended.
Speaker 4: I would start every recommendation based on based on what
Speaker 4: we know. Now here's what we're saying and what we
Speaker 4: know now is if you're over sixty five or you
Speaker 4: have an immune problem or rather vulnerability, the evidence from
Speaker 4: the past few years is very clear that getting a
Speaker 4: booster with the COVID vaccine will reduce your chances of
Speaker 4: being seriously ill or dying. We're not recommending that anyone
Speaker 4: be required to get a COVID booster, but we want
Speaker 4: to make sure that everyone can get one. For people
Speaker 4: who are younger, you're not likely to die from COVID.
Speaker 4: You are likely to have less severe illness if you
Speaker 4: get vaccinated, So I think that you should have the
Speaker 4: availability of that vaccine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. How worried are you about having someone who's heading
Speaker 1: this huge public health organization who's sort of antathetical to
Speaker 1: medicine the way we've known it.
Speaker 4: I think what you have to do with the current
Speaker 4: leadership of HHS is to always look at what they're
Speaker 4: doing versus what they're saying. I mean, a lot of
Speaker 4: the things they say I agree with, they're really important. Right.
Speaker 4: They're saying they want to restore confidence, but they're undermined confidence.
Speaker 4: They're saying they want to restore gold standard science, but
Speaker 4: they're actually undermining gold standard science. They're saying they want
Speaker 4: to eliminate conflicts of interest, but they're actually inserting huge
Speaker 4: conflicts of interest. They say they want to address chronic disease. Great,
Speaker 4: except they just eliminated the entire tobacco control, cardiovascular health,
Speaker 4: and cancer programs at CDC. They say they want to
Speaker 4: reduce environmental contamination, but they've rolled back laws and regulations
Speaker 4: on forever chemicals like pfas on deadly soot, particulate matter
Speaker 4: two point five on mercury and arsenic poisoning. They say
Speaker 4: they want to make America healthier, but they're undermining our
Speaker 4: protections against measles, influenza, COVID and other threats.
Speaker 1: Do you have a sense for the food safety stuff,
Speaker 1: because that seems like a big deal too.
Speaker 4: It is amazing. They are defunding something called food net.
Speaker 4: It's a national network that tracks if there are contaminants
Speaker 4: in your food, and therefore we won't be able to
Speaker 4: track things like campelobacter and listeria, which happened to be
Speaker 4: two bacterial infections which are spread by guess what raw
Speaker 4: milk and what are they cause? They cause miscarriages, meningitis, weakness,
Speaker 4: big problems with people who get infections, and a lot
Speaker 4: of minor illnesses of people who misswork, school, economic cost.
Speaker 4: The thing that does give me hope is that facts
Speaker 4: are stubborn things. Even if you deny them, misuse them,
Speaker 4: suppress them, ignore them, try to prevent people from finding
Speaker 4: them out, they remain facts. And also people want to
Speaker 4: be healthy. A lot of the concerns we're hearing from
Speaker 4: the MAHA movement they're valid concerns. A lot of the
Speaker 4: concerns about money in medicine, those are valid concerns. And
Speaker 4: what I would say to the general public is if
Speaker 4: anyone is trying to tell you anything, don't believe anything
Speaker 4: they say about.
Speaker 1: Health right And that is a big part of MAHA.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of financial incentives.
Speaker 4: Huge, but I think the concerns are real. People don't
Speaker 4: know who to trust. One out of three Americans doesn't
Speaker 4: have a primary care clinician, no doctor who they can trust,
Speaker 4: they can choose, they can trust, who can interpret what's
Speaker 4: happening for them. And one of the things I get
Speaker 4: to in the book is thinking about what does public
Speaker 4: health tell us about individual health? If you want to
Speaker 4: live a longer, healthier life with a lower risk of dementia.
Speaker 4: There are proven ways to do that, and they're not
Speaker 4: that complicated, and most of them are pretty inexpensive and
Speaker 4: can be done either on your own or with the
Speaker 4: help of a good primary care doctor, a family physician.
Speaker 1: I mean, are they doing anything to get the food
Speaker 1: dies out to work on that, which seems like an
Speaker 1: important issue.
Speaker 4: This is really performative. You look at the switch from
Speaker 4: high fruct corn syrup to regular sugar, essentially zero difference
Speaker 4: in terms of health. I don't know if it tastes differently.
Speaker 4: That's not my area of expertise, but these are things
Speaker 4: that sound good. One thing that we know absolutely from
Speaker 4: our work in food policy is that anything that's voluntary
Speaker 4: with industry will fail. We've tried over and over again.
Speaker 4: It just doesn't work. And if you look at the
Speaker 4: things that really work on nutrition policy, they're things like
Speaker 4: soda taxes very effective. They're like front of pack warnings
Speaker 4: that many countries in Latin America have done very effective.
Speaker 4: There are things like limiting sodium in processed food or
Speaker 4: strengthening healthy food requirements for grocery stores that participate in
Speaker 4: the SNAP program. None of those things are even mentioned,
Speaker 4: let alone done, And when they talk about things like
Speaker 4: getting junk food out of our school meals, they talk
Speaker 4: about working to improve it, not about a timeline or
Speaker 4: a focus. So I think the diagnosis is not bad,
Speaker 4: the intent is not bad, or the stated intent is
Speaker 4: not bad, but the actions don't meet the words right.
Speaker 1: And that sounds like a lot of what we know
Speaker 1: in Trump world. If there's one thing if you're listening
Speaker 1: to this, because a lot of the people who listen
Speaker 1: this podcasts are like me, they're just trying to keep
Speaker 1: their own family safe, what would you say are sort
Speaker 1: of the most important things if you're listening to this
Speaker 1: just to keep your family safe.
Speaker 4: Well? For personal health, there are really six keys to
Speaker 4: personal health. The first is under emphasized. It's blood pressure,
Speaker 4: keeping your blood pressure in control ideally under one twenty
Speaker 4: over eighty. The second is healthy cholesterol. Lots more people
Speaker 4: should frankly be honest that than are well. I'm on
Speaker 4: a stat okay, getting regular physical activity, which doesn't have
Speaker 4: to mean go to the gym. You know, only five
Speaker 4: percent of people are ever going to go to the gym,
Speaker 4: But if you take four thirty minute risk walks a week,
Speaker 4: it's a miracle. Drug you do more good than most
Speaker 4: of medicines that you can take. There's also importance of
Speaker 4: getting enough sleep seven hours of sleep, avoiding toxins, including tobacco, alcohol,
Speaker 4: and some of the newer things that are real concerns. Well,
Speaker 4: the big three I think of as endocrine disruptors, nanoparticles,
Speaker 4: and microplastics. They are all over our environment, and we
Speaker 4: really don't know how severe the harms are. We know
Speaker 4: that they can cause hans, but we don't know how
Speaker 4: big a problem it is. And there are so many
Speaker 4: of them. How do you focus? How do you be
Speaker 4: getting them out? We need to have a lot of research,
Speaker 4: We need to have a lot of action. We need
Speaker 4: to work with industry to understand what's in there, because
Speaker 4: it's everywhere and you can't turn our backs on all
Speaker 4: of this stuff. But you do want to make sure
Speaker 4: that the things that are actually harming people you get
Speaker 4: out of the environment so we don't have the next
Speaker 4: asbestos or the next trans fat, because those two things
Speaker 4: were introduced because they were thought to be more convenient
Speaker 4: and healthier. And the last thing, and maybe the most complicated,
Speaker 4: is nutrition. Healthy nutrition. On an individual basis, people can
Speaker 4: do a few things. One is have more potassium than sodium.
Speaker 4: We actually have a potassium deficiency. It's our most important
Speaker 4: dietary deficiency. Most people only consume a half to two
Speaker 4: thirds the amount of potassium they need. If you consume
Speaker 4: more potassium than sodium, your heart will be much healthier
Speaker 4: and you'll have more energy. So reducing sodium increasing potassium
Speaker 4: is important. Limiting free sugars and limiting processed meat. All
Speaker 4: three of those things are really proven to improve. There
Speaker 4: are lots of other things, like increasing fiber that probably
Speaker 4: can help your health significantly. And there's another whole set
Speaker 4: of things in addition to those six that can reduce
Speaker 4: your risk of dementia.
Speaker 1: Diet coke, yes or now that's.
Speaker 4: A yellow lage, right, We really don't know. This is
Speaker 4: one of the areas where we have to be frank
Speaker 4: about what we know and what we don't know. It's
Speaker 4: probably not as bad as regular coke. It's definitely worse
Speaker 4: than one.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, it's not as bad as regular kroke. But
Speaker 1: what about the artificial sweetener.
Speaker 4: It's probably not as bad. I wouldn't say definitely. There's
Speaker 4: really just not that much evidence. And one of the
Speaker 4: things that we have to do clearly, And what I
Speaker 4: outline in the book is be clear about how certain
Speaker 4: we are. There's certain things that we're essentially certain of.
Speaker 4: There are other things that are likely correct, but we
Speaker 4: should be humble because in the future we may find
Speaker 4: something different out There are other things that are maybes,
Speaker 4: but there's some evidence, and then there are wild guesses
Speaker 4: where we really don't know what the reality is. And
Speaker 4: when it comes to artificial sweeteners, they're not healthy. They
Speaker 4: may be better for you than sugar because they have
Speaker 4: fewer calories, and calories are a big problem, but it's
Speaker 4: a lot better not to have them to have them.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Tom. I feel pretty
Speaker 1: good that I can go off a die coke.
Speaker 4: Now that's a hard question, not simple. You would find
Speaker 4: a pretty vigorous debate among the people who really study
Speaker 4: this stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh, I believe it. Thank you, Tom, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back.
Speaker 4: I would love to.
Speaker 1: No moment, Rick Wilson, Molly dug Fast, what is your
Speaker 1: moment of huckery?
Speaker 3: My moment of fuckery is Stephen Miller this week whining
Speaker 3: like a stuck hog because he got his feefees hurt
Speaker 3: to grab a Newsome called him a fascist. He got
Speaker 3: very angry about it, right so much, and it's just mean.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because it's like this guy says stuff
Speaker 1: that we're like, you know, he's up there like doing
Speaker 1: his best gurbls and then someone calls him he's a fascist,
Speaker 1: and he's so offended.
Speaker 3: You know what if the jack boot fits, wear it, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Ooh, luckily you're allowed to curse here.
Speaker 3: Thank goodness, Thank.
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