WEBVTT - This Precarious Moment 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.480 Good morning, keeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:19.680 Meet your Girl. Daniel Moody recording from the home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:27.680 I can't express to you how fucking done I am. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:34.640 Like it is one of those weeks where at just Tuesday, 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.280 but let me be honest with you, I was done 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:44.600 at probably noon on Monday, when Donald Trump once again 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:49.400 skirts the law, gets a get out of jail free 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:53.400 card with the lowering of the bond that he has 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:58.000 to pay in the Tiss James fraud case fraud as 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.200 it pertains to his real estate from four hundred and 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.720 fifty four million to one hundred and seventy five million. 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:10.360 There is no one that skirts the law, that finds 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:16.920 the loopholes that is enabled than Donald Trump. And what 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.840 I will say is what everyone has been saying on 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:25.080 social media, is that like, I'm over it, I'm not 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:29.880 following anymore. Do you know what I'm saying? Because these 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.639 cases are never going to come to fruition. Donald Trump 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:37.120 has been able to do this dirty dealing for the 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:42.760 last what forty fifty years of his life, no accountability, 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:48.240 no nothing. He is rich, he is white, and he 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:54.240 is powerful, and every single system bows to him. And 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.680 you know, for anyone who wants to say, well, oh, 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.120 this is customary in these types of cases, do you 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:05.040 know what's not customary? Donald Trump? Do you know what 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:13.840 is not the norm? Having a fascist, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, transphobic, islamophobic, 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:22.679 confirmed guilty of sexual assault person running for president of 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:27.440 the United States having a fifty to fifty chance of 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.360 becoming president. And at this point there isn't a system 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.400 that you an agency that you can point to that 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:39.680 is not working in lockstep with Donald Trump. So whether 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:45.000 it is just recently Roni McDaniel leaving the RNC as 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:49.280 their head liar in chief and being able to be 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:54.960 welcomed with open arms into mainstream media with a contract 0:02:55.160 --> 0:03:01.120 where three hundred thousand dollars with NBC, Like, it's just 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:08.680 I'm fucking over it because I sit around, I spit facts, 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:15.520 I yell, I'm indignant, and nothing ever changes. And so 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:20.440 at what point do we all just decide, you know what, 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:24.400 fuck it? You want to take this country back, take it, 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.000 you want to run it into the ground, run it. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:31.120 You want to give tax breaks to billionaires and millionaires, great, 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.240 you want to get rid of social safety nets, wonderful. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.720 You wanna you know, lock LGBTQ people up in an 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.600 open air camp. Great, you want to kill all black people? 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:42.040 Okay? 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.120 You know, at what point do we just say fuck 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.640 it and move on and get out because the constant 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:57.320 battle to win nothing on our side. Ever, I'm exhausted, 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.640 and today is yet another one of those days where 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:02.839 I'm just like, I'm exhausted. I'm over it, And you're 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.200 not gonna spin this into something being good or this 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:10.120 is just normal, because you see, systems need to change 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.080 in order to match the people that they are dealing with. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.880 I wish that Donald Trump was treated by the justice 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:24.040 system the way that innocent black people are treated like shit, right. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.120 I wish that there was, you know, no time for appeal, 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.120 no nothing you can do that from jail, even if 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:39.920 you are innocent. Everywhere, white supremacy and wealth reign supreme. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.080 And I just am over it, you know, which is 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:50.000 why in today's show, I took a break from just 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:55.680 straight politics and had a conversation with a friend of mine, 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:01.760 Malia Lazoo, who has a new book out entitled From 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:06.560 Intention to Impact, a Practical Guide to Diversity, Equity and 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:12.120 Inclusion that came out earlier this year. Malia is an 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.960 award winning tenured strategist and diversity and inclusion and a 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:21.480 lecturer in Technological Innovation, Entrepreneurship and Strategic Management Group at 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.960 MIT Sloan School of Management. She is former EVP and 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.560 Regional President of Berkshire Bank and the creator of several 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:35.839 accelerators designed to support minority owned businesses in the Boston area. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:42.320 The conversation with Malia, we get into it about the 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.920 attacks on Dee and I, what it's like to do 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.840 this work in this moment, and whether or not it 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:58.080 will serve vibe Folks. I am very excited, super honored too. 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.560 And I don't know if this is the first time 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.039 or it's just been a very long time, but let's 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:10.000 say to longtime friend Malia Lazoo, welcome to OKF Daily. 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:14.320 Malia is an award winning tenured strategist in diversity and 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:19.320 inclusion and a lecturer in the Technological Innovation, Entrepreneurship and 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:23.760 Strategic Management Group at MIT soul In School of Management. 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.240 And she is Folks, the author of the new book 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:33.120 From Intention to Impact, a Practical Guide to Diversity, Equity 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:38.839 and Inclusion. I could say that Wow, is this timely AF? 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:44.840 This kind of book? Malia? Talk to us about the 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:49.280 journey of the book, because I would argue that when 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:55.520 you started, diversity, equity and inclusion wasn't under attack. We 0:06:55.520 --> 0:07:00.839 were in a place of expansion. How can company be better? 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:05.920 How can schools be better? How can diversity, equity and 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:12.520 inclusion be better integrated into our learnings and our dealings 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:18.200 in different industries and spaces. Fast forward, your book comes 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:23.840 out and every other headline is about Dee and I 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:31.840 C suite folks, leaders, teachers being fired, Let go investigated. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.320 Talk to us about this precarious moment and how your 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:37.680 book fell in it. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.360 Well, you know, you're so right in, Danielle. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.480 It's so great to be on and to see you 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.320 and hello, woke AF folks. I'm a woke AF folks. 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:51.240 So it's fun to be on this side of the microphone. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.440 But you know, when I first started writing this book, 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.400 we had rights to our body that we don't have now. Right, 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:03.320 the attack wasn't as I mean, it was coming. It 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:07.000 was inevitable, right, but it wasn't as vicious and as 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.480 whole as it is now. And so you know, I 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.640 feel like my book came at the right time to 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.920 talk about the importance of D and I and how 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.400 you get there. So even if you have to call 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.040 it something else, you still have to deconstruct the white 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.800 supremacy within your company. And that's really what my book 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.679 aims to do. I was laughing with mit President, the publisher. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.720 I said, could we have like picked a better year 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:37.800 right to have this conversation? And traveling around the country, 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.680 it's been interesting. You know. The people in Florida wanted 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:44.160 to talk politics, right, the people in San Francisco wanted 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.080 to talk models, right. And we are in so many 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.320 different places with this, but the one thing that has 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:55.200 been steadfast is people are still really desperate to find 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.160 ways to be interconnected with one another. You know, I 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:04.319 think with the fascism and racism and sexism that's so overt, most. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.040 People are actually saying, wait, no, that's not me, right. 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.560 I might not want my daughter to marry one, right, 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.040 but this is all too much. And so you know, 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.840 this book and these conversations have really given me a 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.880 chance to intervene right with some people who think, oh, 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.319 we may have to give it up, to be like, no, 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:25.080 you just have to do this, right, You just have 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:25.800 to get curious. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.080 You just have to get empathetic, you know. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.960 And I think that that is that's a really important 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.360 thing to state and say. And I'm really grateful for 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.240 the fact that you are the one who is offering 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.960 up the ways that we need to maneuver and be 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.120 nimble in this moment, because I think that that is 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:50.199 what this political climate requires, is a level of nimbleness, imagination, 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:56.199 and curiosity that is not linear. Right. And so in 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.920 your book you outline what you refer to as seven 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:04.840 stages from intention to impact. Can you walk us through 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:09.800 what those are and how you developed the seven stages 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.080 and why? Because I talk about you know, we can 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:18.199 both understand that people need steps and also understand that 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.080 the work is not linear. So I want you to 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:22.880 have an opportunity to speak to both of that. 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.400 Yes, and that's why I did these seven stages right, 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.800 because I didn't want them to be steps, right. I 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:31.520 wanted to then be stages because at the end of 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.199 the day, you can go from one to seven. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:34.400 You don't have to. 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.840 Do two, three, four, five, six if you just want 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.679 to work on equity, right, And so you know, these 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:45.040 steps were deed and stages were developed watching and working 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.920 with companies and seeing what it actually took to go 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:53.040 from an intention to an outcome, to an impact, to 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.920 a higher to a policy change, right to a higher. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.920 Ring, whatever whatever that goal might be. 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.080 And you know, you see these themes and a lot 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:08.080 of companies stay in the first three four stages right 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.600 in the first three stages are the honeymoon phase, right 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.319 that you realize, you know, first stage, you can do 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:14.320 something about the problem. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.640 We can sign a pledge, right, we can make a donation. Yeah, right, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:19.439 look at us. 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.880 Go, so we sign that pledge. Well, now we have 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.080 to do trainings, right, because we're going to make this work. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.760 We're excited. So now we start doing trainings. 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:27.000 Right. 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.360 Then we decide we can take action on low hanging fruit. 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.280 We're making a higher we should make that person diverse, right, 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.079 And then you start taking action on low hanging fruit. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:42.160 And that's when you start seeing substantial pushback, right. And 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:47.240 stage four is what I like to call devil's advocate, right, 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.680 like this idea that I'm pushing back, but it's for 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.079 the good of the company. It's not you know, it's 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.200 not bad. It's not because I disagree with equity. I 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.800 just don't know if we can get this through compliance, 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:02.400 all right, And five is so you get it, you know, 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:07.280 you answer compliance questions, but they're still pushback, right, like, oh, well, 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.160 you know, I'm not sure if this is a real 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:12.520 cultural fit, right, I'm not sure if we have the 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.760 time right. And at that stage is when you have 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:23.480 to start wondering is this pushback legitimate, right, and you 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.200 start seeing it might not be right, this might this 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:30.079 actually might be all deliberate speed right, this actually might be. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.680 Slowing down of the process. And stage six is naming 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:35.760 it and. 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:39.400 Saying, I think that this pushback is actually racist, bias, sexist, 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.720 whatever it might be. And I think there's no problem 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.760 with hanging a sign on a bathroom that says everybody. 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:48.840 I don't actually think we have to go through compliance. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:49.160 I don't. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:50.840 I think I just have to buy a sign, and 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.079 I think I just have to put it on the 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.800 bathroom and then everyone will know they're welcome in this bathroom. Right, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.760 you have to actually name and then get to stage Sepman, 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.720 which is you just buy the sign, right, you just 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.120 make the higher you you know, you just decide that 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.280 you're going to act with integrity, and that's when you 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:11.600 can actually have impact. But often most businesses do one 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.559 through for they get the pushback. They don't want to 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.840 go through the pushback, so they wait until four years later, 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.520 there's another George Floyd, they make another commitment. There's another 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.079 Pulse Nightclub, they make another commitment, right, And and that's 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.240 how the cycle of equity for a lot of companies 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.040 and corporations are. And so I wanted to be able 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.840 to say these stages so that people could see what 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:32.800 they were getting. 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:33.199 Hung up on. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.560 And I also wanted to delegitimize the pushback because what 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:41.040 I have found with these companies is the pushback oftentime 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:45.520 is culture not legal. We make it legal right because 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.400 we you know, we don't actually want to push it 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.160 back right. We don't actually want to maybe get an 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.880 outside council to look at it right. We don't want 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.200 to do those extra steps. So it's just easier to 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.640 cover your ass and just you know, wait till you 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.520 have to go to stage one again and just let 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.080 things down in stage four. 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.800 You know, I think too, where the struggle comes is 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.880 honestly that nobody wants to struggle, right, Because what I 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:17.439 realize about getting woke about reaching a level of consciousness 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.080 is that that requires work. Right, it is much easier 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.440 to just hire within my network of people who look 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.280 like me, pray like me, you know, love like me, 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:30.200 and so on and so forth. Right, and the easier 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.160 that things can be made, that is always going to 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:41.640 be the default that corporations, organizations revert to. So now 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:46.120 basically where we are politically is that the Supreme Court 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:52.280 has made it easier once again to discriminate. Right, they 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.760 have said, oh, you know, all that work you've been 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:58.680 doing over the last forty somemighty years, fuck it. You know, 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.120 you don't really need to to do it, so just 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.400 you know, wash your hands of the whole thing. And 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.640 as a matter of fact, if you even have the 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:11.280 word dee n I together, right, we're coming after you. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.880 This is the plan of the right wing. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:14.240 Right. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:18.840 So, whether it's a black woman's VC company, right, knowing 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:25.640 that black women get zero point one percent of VC funding, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.120 so they come up with a fund that can fund 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.360 black women entrepreneurs, and now they're being sued by white 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:36.760 supremacists for being racist. The cat is out of the bag. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:42.240 So if now it's been now legalized, discrimination is back 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:49.160 in vogue. How do you even begin to incentivize people 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.320 who were already lazy to begin with in their work 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:53.640 around consciousness. 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.960 That's exactly right, Danielle. And you know the worst part 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.880 about everything you said, besides it being true, all right, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.120 is that the Supreme Court case was only about education. 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.160 Right, And we were so we meaning. 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.560 The US, not we as an individuals, but as a country, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.040 we were so ready to cast this into the garbage 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.600 right that we didn't even need to work through the 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.360 nuance because the right was ready, you know, the I 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.920 mean the left, we're reeling off a book ba right 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.400 off of the fifty ways they're doing this right now. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.720 And companies, as you said, a lot of them don't 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.160 want this smooth, right. A lot of them feel as 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.840 straight white men, am I becoming irrelevant? But this is 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:43.480 where you know, I think it's important for us to 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:48.480 sit in facts, science, and even their own data, right, 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.920 because at the end of the day, when we're talking 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.240 about DEI, we're talking about the way I like to 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.520 call it is it's civil rights for corporations, all right, 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.360 Like that's basically. 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:04.200 What DEI is, and what people are understanding is that 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:10.560 it's not about it's nice to do it's about it's profitable, right, 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.080 And in business, none of us show up to business 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.679 to not get paid, right, So I don't need people 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.480 in business to like me to whatever. 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.960 Right. I need to bring in my value and I 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.280 need to get a return on that value that I 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.120 bring into a company. And what we know is that 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.399 diverse teams are thirty four percent more profitable. 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:30.080 Right. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.480 What we know is that women led teams get twenty 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:36.359 one percent more patents in Silicon Valley. And what we 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:40.520 also know and smart CEOs know this, right. And I'm 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.640 not just saying the ones who hire me, but there 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.639 are other ones I talk about in this book. What 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:50.200 they know is that right now, politics, employees and consumers 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.639 are very different groups of people. And if you're going 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.240 to say that, well, our country is fifty to fifty 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:00.119 because you're looking at voting, what you're not understanding And 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:01.680 you and I know this, and you know a lot 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.120 of your listeners know this. Right. We're talking about half 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:08.800 of the half of a half of the American population, yep. Right. 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.560 If you're running a company, you care about who can 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.320 buy and who can work. Yet it's a very different 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.120 demographic then who goes out and votes on the first 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.560 Tuesday of November, and I think the smarter companies and 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.520 what we're going to see just like the smarter states. Right, 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.439 what we see is, you know, countries and states that 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.399 are more progressive have higher GDPs. Right, this is a 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.679 UN study, Right. What we're going to see is these 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.840 companies aren't going to be able to keep up and 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:39.760 they're not going to be able to compete in a 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.000 global economy where a majority of a country is brown 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.600 and non English speaking unless they actually have people who 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.680 don't only come to work black, but be at work 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.840 black and bring that. You know, they don't only come 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.720 to work bround, but they be brown when they're at work. 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.159 That's how you're going to get the products, services, and 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:06.480 top notch talent to maintain. You know, a competitive edge technology. 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.760 AI is not going to save you the people who 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.760 help you know how to use AI so that you 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:16.240 can sell something there. You're cutting edge there, your competitive advantage. 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.879 You know. I want to go down what I often 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:22.080 do here and forgive me a dark path for a moment, 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:29.760 which is that I'm not so sure that the right 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:34.359 wing I'm just staying on politics for a minute, actually 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:40.440 give a damn about anyone being profitable outside of their donors. 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.880 And I wonder if what is appealing to us as 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.359 both consumers and workers, which is to be in a 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:52.520 place of diversity, equity and inclusion, right, Like what do 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:54.919 they say about gen Z right and you know the 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:55.920 numbers that. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.800 You know they take a pay cut, they'll. 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.800 Take a pay cut to work and a place that 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:06.440 is mission aligned, right that they will they'll make less 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.560 because they already know they're not buying the house like 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.760 their like their parents did, because they can't afford it, right, 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:17.640 So their their values are very different than what gen X, 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:22.800 the boomers and up you know, were I wonder, however, 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.679 with the policy decisions that we're seeing rolled out in 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:30.520 these red right wing states and the attacks that we're seeing, 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.720 if they are still all about money even though that 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.920 they're white supremact Like, it doesn't make sense. So help 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:40.280 me make it make sense. Because what I have been 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:44.360 talking about here on this show and others is America 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:48.879 is about to experience a brain drain, that's right. And 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.680 I want you to be able to talk about hip 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:57.679 us to why this doesn't seem to necessarily register with 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:02.639 the people who are on the attack, who require workers 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.520 in order to make the wealth that allows them to 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:07.640 fly high. 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:09.199 Well, that's exactly right. 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.919 Right. So I have a section in my book that 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.080 asked the question, are we greedy or are we racist? 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.960 Right? Because we're told as capital isn't in both the 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:20.320 d right. 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.679 Because we're told right, Well, the thing about capitalism is 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.520 just about greed. It's about the almighty dollar, right, da 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:29.080 da da da da. Well, if that's the case, then 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.959 you should want women led teams. Right. If that's the case, 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.120 If it is just about your greed, because that's what 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:36.520 you do. 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.200 You don't worry about race, sex or whatever. 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.080 Men, you should start worrying about race or sex because 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:43.160 that actually helps your greed. 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.520 Right now, is greed good? We can have that conversation 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:47.720 on another time. Right. 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:53.000 But what we're seeing right is this break with the 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.639 right and business. Right, Bob Iger never thought in a 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.399 million years that he was going to have the governor 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:01.280 of Florida come for him. 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:03.240 Right, he bought that man. 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.240 Probably right, I'm sure we could go back and look 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:08.760 at the checks and right. These are politicians that had 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:14.320 already been bought and sold, and now they're pushing back 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:18.200 on things that are bad for business. Disney can't become homophobic. 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.879 Bob Iger knows that, right. And what Bob Bieger also 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.720 knows is that Ron DeSantis can't afford to build a 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.359 jail next to the most magical spot on Earth. 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.000 Right. And so folks CEOs. 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:34.119 Like Bob Iger right, who are who are getting attacked. 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:37.640 The ones who come out most successfully are the ones 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:38.880 who are standing up. 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:40.480 To those right wing politicians. Right. 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:44.960 You know, you look at Budweiser, right, they decided to capitulate, 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:47.439 and what happened They got all of us mad. Right. 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:49.320 At first you just had the homophobe was mad, but 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.120 then you decided to capitulate, So then we all had 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.119 to get mad at you and backup Dylan right, and 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:59.720 again this separation. You know a lot of CEOs that 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:02.920 I know, yeah, they're you know, they like to say 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:09.639 they're fiscally conservative, right, they're not fascist, right, and they 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:12.280 don't want to be. They don't want their daughters out 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:15.560 or sons asking them why they're fascist. 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:19.120 And those are the CEOs. 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:20.880 That are going to succeed, right, Those are the CEOs 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:22.879 that are going to keep running their companies. And so, 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:25.520 you know, your point is such an important one because 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:28.760 we remember in the civil rights movement, right, rather than integrating, 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:29.760 they burnt down. 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:30.560 The place, yep. 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.280 And that's what they're doing with the country now, right, 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:36.160 Yah got elected and they're like burned down the whole thing. 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:40.400 But I don't know if everyone's going to let them 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:44.199 do that, right, And I don't know if business is 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.320 going to business has a lot invested in America as 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:47.880 a country. 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:51.200 And I don't know if they're going to. 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:55.800 Allow our economy to become a pivotal economy, to become 0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.320 a regional economy like Russia. Right. 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:00.760 You know, they're already calling us a pivotal power. 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:05.320 Right. Businesses don't like that, right, And so now finding 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:06.840 that journey is going to be hard because they're not 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:07.760 well practiced. 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:10.240 Right, What do they know of liberation? 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:10.840 Right? 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:13.640 They don't right, right, But what they know is. 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.320 That there's more Spanish and French speaking people in this 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:20.280 world than there are straight white men, and that those 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:23.760 people need to wear sneakers and need you know, and 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:27.480