1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazier. 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: Before I get to my guests, who has a huge 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: week ahead of him. If you're like many people, you 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: may be surprised to learn that one in five adults 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: in this country experienced mental illness last year, Yet far 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: too many fellow receive the support they need. Charah Lom 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: behavior health is doing something about it. They understand the 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: behavior health is a key part of whole health, delivering 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 2: compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 2: in tandem. Tara Limb behavior health raising the quality of 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: life through empathy and action. So welcome into Unbreakable, a 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: mental health podcast. And the guests I have this week. 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: You think there's twins Rondae and Tiki Barber, there's actually. 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: Three of us. 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: Jay Lazier's part of the family. Well and man, what 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: a huge week it is for my brother ryde Barber 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer ryde Barber going to Can't, Ohio this 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 2: week for that Hall of Fame. 22 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 3: How we doing buddy, uh'd be better at about uh 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: we'll say seven days. What all this is playing? 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: You have nerves? 25 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: You never have nerve, not nerves. It's just a lot, 26 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 3: you know how it is. You've been through some of 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 3: your boys before. Uh, there's a lot going on. Four 28 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: hundred plus people showing up for us, dude, that's Oh, 29 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: thank god. I have a loving and busybody wife that 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: has had no problems taken on all of this, because 31 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: I definitely would have been able to do what she's done, 32 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: uh to get us ready. But I'm excited for her. 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: I'm ready for you know. 34 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: What he's talking about there, Claudia his wife. He has 35 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: four hundred people coming and several of his friends for 36 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: children like me. So I hit her up and I 37 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: was like, hey, Claudia, you know my tickets myself? Like 38 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: what do I do on it? She's like, oh, you 39 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: got everything since in email. I'm like, Claudia, I'm a child. 40 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: I don't know how to do things for myself. So 41 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: she helped my head and made sure everything was set. 42 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: You got four hundred friends. 43 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: Like that, You're like the guy that shows up for 44 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 3: the wedding and is like, oh, we were supposed to 45 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 3: RSVP for that. Sorry, I don't have to see it 46 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: for you. 47 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: And I'm the gifts. 48 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you are the Here's. 49 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: What I want people to know. And I don't know 50 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 2: if Ronde knows this part, but listen. He has the 51 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: record for most consecutive starts ever by dB played sixteen years. 52 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: Three time All throw which means you're the best of 53 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 2: your position, two time second team All Pro, five time 54 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: Pro Bowler, All Decade Team for two thousands. Has Jersey 55 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: retired from college Super Bowl Champion Hall of Famer. But 56 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this. Rende Barber is 57 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: the first person I ever called. I had to get 58 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: joked up here that I ever called ever when I 59 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: was struggling and told them and tell people this man. 60 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: Lean into your friends and your teammates. This is the 61 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: champ of Super Bowl. A couple of years ago, myself 62 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: and him and my friend Brian and Ben asked them 63 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: to go to do dinner and they said, now we're 64 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: all busy, and I said, no, dude, I need to 65 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: have dinner. I'm struggling. 66 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 3: And I d was there for me, always there for you, Jay, 67 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: I mean you were there for me back when I 68 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 3: was a nobody. People don't know that there was a 69 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 3: time when it was Tiki in New York and Ronnie 70 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: was a I don't know what I was back then, 71 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: but we became friends back then, and that was let's 72 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: put twenty five years on that. I think that at 73 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: least twenty five years ago. So one thing that I 74 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: can provide for you and for all my friends, but 75 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: especially you because we've been through so much. I know 76 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: what your life journey has been. I've been through a 77 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: lot of it from afar here recently, but I was 78 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: there at the beginning when you were trying to make it, 79 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: and then you make it. You have such this profound 80 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: influence on the world of sport, and at the end 81 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: of the day, people don't know you're struggling. So if 82 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: you ask me for that, I will absolutely be there. 83 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: And I know that I have a very positive outlook 84 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: on life. I feel like I haven't had many bad days. 85 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: I've had some. I feel like I haven't had many 86 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: bad days. But if I can lighten up your life 87 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: and let you know how much you're loved, rather, you 88 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: can call me anytime. 89 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: And here's the thing, folks, that was the first time 90 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: I ever like I never said anything straight in, I 91 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: ever said to anything that the rock. Really I never 92 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: you know, my best friends, I never said anything had 93 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: Ronde and them said no? And I were busy. Man, 94 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if I would have opened up to 95 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: the world and had this, you know, God for everybody 96 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: else to be able to lean into your friends and 97 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 2: your teammates. But because you said, oh, first, oh I'm busy, 98 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: then oh you're struggling, I'm there, it allowed me to 99 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: teach everybody else this is what happens. When you lean 100 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: into your crew, they respond they're there for you. And 101 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: that just started the most incredible chain reaction for I 102 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: think a lot of us. Brother. 103 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: Well, there's also the fact that you know, my friends 104 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: have always been there for me too. So when Brian 105 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 3: and Ben, nobody in the world knows that those guys 106 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 3: are but we do, right, those guys, Uh, there has 107 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: been as solid for me as I could possibly expect 108 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: from you know, two guys that I met as an adult. 109 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: And granted we met as an adult too, It's not like, 110 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: you know, not as not as if Jay was actually 111 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 3: born Joldine Barber, but the companionship and the uh, you know, 112 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 3: the love that has been fostered through all of our years. 113 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: I got that later with those guys and those guys 114 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: because they love me, love you, I swear. I think 115 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: back to that night sometimes and thankful for you. Know 116 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 3: that family extends itself because not a lot of people 117 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: have families, you know, close enough families that they can 118 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: go to, but everybody should have that extension of family 119 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: that you can always rely on. I've always had that 120 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 3: and I'll always be that for you. Man. 121 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: That's a hall of fame friend, because folks, I was 122 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: struggling right and you and I've always put on this 123 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: face and he's known they and all that stuff. 124 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, your whole hell a lot of fun when 125 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: it's all good, dude. 126 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: But but it's it's rarely good. But through my ears 127 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: and I go overboard for it's. I always created that 128 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: character and the first time I'd be like, hey, man, 129 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: that's just character. This is really what's going on. And 130 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 2: that was a huge moment for my life, man, really 131 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: really big. So yeah, I wanted people to understand the 132 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: mastery of Ronde Barber. And when I say this, there's 133 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: a couple of things. Hey and I always tell my 134 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: tell my fighters and I always tell players, manage your 135 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: honor to play hurt. And one of the guys I 136 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: learned that from is Ronde, And I always tell guys, hey, 137 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: you don't show it. You don't show it. Now in life, 138 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: I want everybody to show where our struggles are and 139 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: open up. But you didn't miss a game. You have 140 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: the record most consecutive games ever started as a defensive back. 141 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: But it's not that you weren't injured. Right, So first 142 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 2: of all, list list off the injuries you play through. 143 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: And I wrote about it in my book, right and Well, 144 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: it started in high school. I can go all the 145 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: way back to high school. And a lot of this 146 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: was to be honest with you, just in an effort 147 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: to keep up with the twin right, because in high 148 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: school I broke my collarbone second game of our senior season. 149 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: Senior season, right, it's last time I'm going to play 150 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 3: high school with all the friends you grew up with. 151 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: Broke my collar bone, and it was probably a month injury. 152 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: I missed like two weeks and came back and played. 153 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: And I think that was the start of the you know, 154 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do this regardless type of thing. Give me 155 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: an opportunity to play, and I'm not ever gonna leave. 156 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: So from there, did they put play it or they 157 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: just they just said it, They didn't even they didn't. 158 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if you ever broke your collarbhone, 159 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 3: anybody out there broke that collar phone. They put that 160 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: thing on your back that pulls your shoulders, set your 161 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: collar phone, and two weeks later I said the hell 162 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: with it, I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna go play. 163 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: But yeah, the list here we go. So this is 164 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: a lot, see if I can remember them all sequentially. 165 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: So So in college, I had a stretch fracture on 166 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: my foot that ended up breaking, but I played through 167 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: it for like the last four or five game games 168 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 3: of my red shirt freshman year. Then before my third 169 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: season playing at Virginia, I dislocated my elbow compound dislocation 170 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: and they had to have surgery and offseason. I played 171 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: with that like three months later to start that next season. 172 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: But then we get to the NFL, and man, besides this, 173 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna even mention the soft tissue injuries pulled 174 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: hamstrings and squads that those mean nothing. But I had 175 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: a highcle spray in ninety eight that I played. 176 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: And never missed a game. Folks, through all this during. 177 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 3: High gol spray. The ninety eight that I played through 178 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: it may have been ninety nine. In two thousand and two, 179 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: I broke my thumb during the game, played through it, 180 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: and then had surgery. Played the next week. That same year, 181 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: I tore my PCL in the back of my right knee, 182 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: also Super Bowl year, so I was not going to 183 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 3: not play. So I played through that at surgery, and 184 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: that bothered me for probably the next four or five 185 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: years of my career. I shattered my form uh in 186 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 3: a in a game in two thousand and eleven. What 187 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: else was the other one? A tor moniscus in my 188 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: left knee the other knee for my PCL that I 189 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: played through probably in two thousand and six or seven, 190 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: and it just couldn't stop. I couldn't stop playing. If 191 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: I was able to walk, I was gonna play. And 192 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: if it was an upper body injury, I was gonna 193 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: definitely play. I think my foot would had to fall 194 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: off for me to actually not not play. 195 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: That's whether you were taught or is it just because 196 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: you said, well, I wanted to keep up. I was 197 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: a twin and I didn't want to fall behind. 198 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: T Well, a little bit of that, but I think 199 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: mostly to be real honest, I got on the field 200 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 3: in high school in the pros because somebody got hurt. 201 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: Somebody got hurt. It gave me an opportunity to play, 202 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: and I never stopped playing from from then on out. 203 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: And so it was this I've used it this term 204 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: like this fear failure, but really it was like a 205 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: fear of somebody else, you know, getting an opportunity that 206 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: I thought that I that I worked hard to get 207 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: and I didn't want I didn't want to give anybody 208 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: else that opportunity. And that's selfish to a degree, but 209 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: it's not, it's not selfish at all. But it also, Yeah, 210 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: it also helped drive a mentality that allowed me to 211 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: be great, you know, because if I'm not, if I'm 212 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: not one hundred percent and I'm still performing, then when 213 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 3: I am one hundred percent, I'm going to be really 214 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: really good. And I don't know, it just stuck with me, 215 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: and I don't know. I think people doubted me for 216 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: so long earlier in my career that I think there 217 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: was a sense that had I had to prove them wrong, 218 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 3: and it hurt. Didn't give me the opportunity to prove 219 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 3: them wrong, so I just chose not to be hurt. 220 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 2: So I'll tell you a mastery of Randie Barber. He 221 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: and I are sitting in a bar in New York 222 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: were watching one in night football and Washington's play in Dallas, 223 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, Ronde says, oh, this will 224 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: be an eight yard into the Vertius calls. Still remember right? Sure, shit, folks, 225 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: who was an eight yard into la Verti's calls? And 226 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: I said, how'd you know that? He just said, well, 227 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: down in distance, it was, you know, seven yards and 228 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: thirty and seven. But you said, on film, I noticed 229 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: Laverni is when he's going to be the target, he's 230 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 2: let two inches taller or shorter than when he's not 231 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: the target, or so along those lines. And I'm like, 232 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: what the fuck do you see this on film? That 233 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: tiny little thing? Unreal when it comes to watching film, 234 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: seeing those tiny little things. But it's not just you're 235 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: on film. You're just wanted to watching on the game broadcast. 236 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: Right, It's just it's an obsession, is what it was. 237 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: You know, it was an obsession with detail and perfecting 238 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: the details. I mean, we can all go out like 239 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: you're a fire. You know, you can all go out 240 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 3: and perfect the technique and rep rep rep the technique 241 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: that's going to carry you through a competition. But the 242 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 3: middle prep was the same thing. For me. It was 243 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: that little tiny detail. I treated it just like practicing 244 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: my back pedal or practicing my step and kick and 245 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: man the man coverage or whatever and tackling form. My 246 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 3: prep was the exact same. It had to be detail oriented, 247 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: and it just stuck. It just sticks with you. So 248 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 3: if I've seen it on film and I noticed it 249 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 3: and I noted it, then uh, it's going to be 250 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: there forever. So when we were watching that game, just 251 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 3: sitting around having a more than a few cocktails as 252 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 3: we want to do, yeah, it was yeah, okay, this 253 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 3: is this is what's getting ready to happen. Let me, 254 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 3: let me, let me impress Jay with my with my people. 255 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: Hey, clearly you have because I'm still talking about it 256 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: and preaching the book. Did an art to watch in form. 257 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: You know, I sit there and you know, Strand filled 258 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: my social scene because he said there and watching film 259 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 2: Montreal and watch like oh look look at this, Look 260 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: at John running's foot, it's half an inch toild it in, 261 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you looking at? 262 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 3: Nobody else cares about that, right, But also a lot. 263 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: Of guys can't recognize it. They can't see it. Did 264 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: somebody teach you how to watch them? Where it's just 265 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: the repertation over the years, because folks, I mean, I'm 266 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: not exaggerating. I'm not when I say, oh, it's two 267 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: inches or a half an inch and he notices something 268 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: like this in the camera that's way up at the 269 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: top of the stadium. 270 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: It's unreal when you're looking at When you're looking at 271 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: so much film, like the hours of film that really 272 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: good players put into it, you notice the minute details 273 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: like Frank Gore back when he was playing for San Francisco, 274 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 3: and I didn't find this when someone else told me this, 275 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 3: But this is a good when we were studying him, 276 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: somebody else told me this. When he was looking to 277 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: be a pass protector. His head was always moving, he 278 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: was survey in the field when he was going to 279 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 3: get the ball. His eyes were dead straight, and you 280 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 3: could always tell and you know. 281 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: Not every way passed and run and every. 282 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 3: Play, not every play did that? You know, was I 283 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: able to see that playing corner. But the few times 284 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: where you're like, oh wait a minute, let me check 285 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: his head and he's like this, You're like, okay, this 286 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 3: is a run and it just gives you information to 287 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: get ready for that play. So you can call it cheating, 288 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: you can call it guessing. Whatever. 289 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 2: At all you're doing your work. 290 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: You're taking advantage of its cheating, cheating preparation, right, it's 291 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: taking advantage of knowledge, is what it is. When and 292 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 3: knowledge and opportunity meet, preparation meet, Like you go make 293 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: plays and I did that pretty well for a long time, 294 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 3: and you know. 295 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: Give me another one that may stand out to me. 296 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: They're like, oh when this guy did that? 297 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 3: Like, let me think, well, I could always tell uh, 298 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: And this was this was a combination of things and 299 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: not that I ever covered this well, but uh it was. 300 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 3: There was a till between Steve Smith and Jake Delane 301 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: when because you know they they obviously they were running team. 302 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 3: They had this too great running back, but they also 303 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: had a damn good wide receiver, really damn good wide receiver, 304 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. In my mind, Uh, that was like 305 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: a running back and if the run play was going 306 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: to be covered up by the call we had on defense. 307 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 3: They would just pick up the ball and throw it 308 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: out there this little now screen. You know, everybody does 309 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: it now they call RPOs now, But back then it 310 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: was just he'd pick it up and throw it instead 311 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: of running into a brick wall in a run game. 312 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 3: And Jake Delom and Steve Smith had this. They had 313 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: this little I could tell because of the way that 314 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: Steve Smith was angling his shoulders towards the quarterbacks. He 315 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: had to get ready to catch it. You could tell 316 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: that the ball was coming, and Jake always had He 317 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: was like Jake would be, would look and if he 318 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: was like that and he came up and throw it. 319 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 3: I mean I missed the tackle a whole bunch of times. 320 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: I guarantee you that I knew every time that that 321 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: play was coming. And I be honest with you, I 322 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: don't even know if he knew that he did it, 323 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: but I knew that he did it because I needed 324 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: a little bit of advantage to get that little fucker 325 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 3: on the ground. 326 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: Would you tell your teammates offensive guys, how often did 327 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: you tell them, hey, man, you're you're chipping this? 328 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: Not very often. I wasn't a share I never know 329 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 3: if that guy is going to get I don't know 330 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 3: if if Keenan McCardell or whoever, was going to leave 331 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: and go play for somebody else. I don't need them 332 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: to number what I know, not not, not really. And 333 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 3: I didn't study our guys like I studied other guys. 334 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: Everybody has, whether you know it or not, they're there 335 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 3: if you look hard enough. 336 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: Was it as you started getting older and it was fine, 337 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: you know around it you'd have this film room kind 338 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: of was named the Rendee Barber Film Room in there? 339 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: How much you know, work you did. 340 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: The funny part about that, Shay, is that it was 341 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: an extra meeting room. It wasn't my room, it was 342 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: an extra meeting room. We went to this new building 343 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: because before I used to just go into the video room. 344 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: I'd sit down in the video room at one old 345 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: one buck the trailers, and they had this little setup 346 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: for me where I could just come in and sit 347 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: down practice, you know, with my pants, practice gear still on, 348 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: to just sit there and watch film. We'd shoot the 349 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: ship whatever. But then we moved into the new building 350 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 3: and they put an extra meeting room down there, and 351 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 3: it was unoccupied, and I commandeered it. I made it 352 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 3: my own and put all my shit in there, all 353 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: my like like it was like an extension of my locker. 354 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 3: I had everything that I needed in there to go 355 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: in there and watch film, and I'd spend hours in there, so. 356 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 2: As guys were coming in and out. You know, I've 357 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 2: been with you where people ask you, hey, you know, 358 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: what did you do here? Would you do some preparation? 359 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: Did you always offer teach these young guys, hey, man, 360 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: come and watch film? Or did it also get to 361 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: the point at one point where like, hey, I didn't 362 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: want to do it something I can offer it anymore? 363 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: Did you always do it? 364 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 3: No? I always did it, And I tell guys all 365 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: the time, Hey, I'm going to be in here. Do 366 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 3: you want to come in and watch it? Let's go 367 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: watch And the one guy that really embraced it, I 368 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 3: mean he didn't do it every day with me was 369 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: a key and I got a keep really early keep yeah, 370 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: early in my in his career. Uh. And I think 371 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: that if you ask him he'll he'll to this day 372 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 3: talk about the influence that I because he was physically 373 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 3: gifted man, and he's long, he's fast, very aggressive, perfect mentality, 374 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 3: for football. That's why he played along and so successful 375 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: on three or maybe four different teams. But at the 376 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: very beginning, he was the one guy that I most 377 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 3: remember saying, I'm going to go and just sit down 378 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 3: with Ronde and figure out what he's looking at, you know, 379 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 3: because I was a bad point. I've been in the 380 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 3: league for ten years, and he was inquisitive, and I 381 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 3: think some of what I did rubbed off on him. 382 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 3: But that was in there every day. I mean, the 383 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 3: guys would come in and out, and I always tell 384 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 3: them to come in, and what I really wanted to 385 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: do Jay was to get them to come in and 386 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: study themselves. Like it's easy to study your opponent, it's 387 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 3: easy to look at other people, but to look at 388 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 3: yourself critically. That's without a coach telling you, hey, you 389 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 3: need to do this. Hey, it would be if you 390 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 3: have you ever thought about doing this, I want you 391 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 3: to do it. I was good because I did it. 392 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 3: I went and looked at my footwork, and you know, 393 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 3: if I stepped wrong on a play in practice, I 394 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: wanted to know why I did it so I could 395 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 3: go out the very next day and correct it. And 396 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 3: that's I talk about all the time. Perfecting your craft. 397 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: That's that's what perfecting your craft is. It just doesn't 398 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: happen like you have to know what you're doing wrong 399 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: to understand what you're doing right. And there was a 400 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: lot of guys that actually fell in mind with that 401 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 3: and got better because of some of my influences. That 402 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 3: regards awesome. 403 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 2: It also led to you to being the only member 404 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: player in NFL history out forty five interceptions in twenty 405 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: five sacks. Yeah, one of one, which gave you the 406 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 2: more more joy the picture of the. 407 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 3: Sacks definitely the interceptions, just because they're so hard to 408 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 3: come by. Interceptions are not easy, and if you're playing. 409 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: You're five to three, like me, satured way harder to 410 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: come back to you that picks. 411 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 3: Actually, I'll tell you this, early in my career, it 412 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 3: was definitely the sacks because that's where I was getting 413 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: my most opportunities because we were blitzing so much. You know, 414 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 3: that zoned doll mentality that Mini Kiffen and the Eagles 415 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 3: defensive coordinator Johnson, Yeah, had. Those type of decordinators were 416 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 3: just coming into vogue then, and so we did it 417 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 3: a lot. And at the time, people didn't really know 418 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 3: how to deal with it, and so I had a 419 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: lot of free runs. But then when they started to 420 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 3: pick them up, I had to figure out how to 421 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: beat the guy that they were signing to block with me. 422 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 3: So it to get the twenty eight sacks is what 423 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 3: I ended up with was a pretty special number. I 424 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 3: wish it would have got. I wish I wanted to 425 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: get the thirty, but Shiano made me a safety my 426 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 3: last year, didn't play me a nickel, so I didn't 427 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 3: get the thirty. That's a that's a different conversation. But 428 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: but but the interceptions, man like the feeling of taking 429 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 3: away a row or concept that they've worked so hard 430 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 3: on and that you overplayed and take took the ball away. 431 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 3: That was pretty awesome. The amount of prep to get 432 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: an interception was ten times what it was to get 433 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 3: a sack. Put it that way, so the interceptions always 434 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: felt like more rewarding. Plus you know, teams trying to 435 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 3: score and you get the ball back. I mean it changed. 436 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 3: Those are game change and tech plays to me. The 437 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: corners in the league in safeties too, But the corners 438 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: in the league to take the ball away, I don't 439 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: care how good you are technically. The ones that take 440 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 3: the ball away? Are the best places in football? 441 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: Would you have freedom to just go in blitz certain 442 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 2: times when you want to? Always called? 443 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 3: Most of them were called. There's a few times where 444 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 3: you know, I had a battle boy kind of sack. 445 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 3: I sacked Tony Romo and we played Dallas at home. 446 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 3: Whatever year that was. It was it was Raheem's years, 447 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 3: and uh, I'm sitting on the end of the line 448 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 3: of scrimmage. They had a formation set away for me, 449 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 3: some a corner on the end of the line of scrimmage, 450 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 3: and I thought it was a run play, and so 451 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 3: I was being aggressive playing supposed to be playing in 452 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 3: the flat or whatever, and I just went. I was like, well, 453 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: I guess I guess wrong. 454 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 2: I get this. 455 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 3: See if I could make myself right, and uh and 456 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 3: I did. He had no idea I was coming. He 457 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 3: turned right round out of this bootleg and I he 458 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 3: had to just went to the ground, got an easy sack. 459 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 3: But yeah, like that, I was supposed to be encoveraged 460 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: and uh uh got a sack out of it. So 461 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 3: it happened every Now give. 462 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: Me equipped one line or a couple of lines for 463 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: the biggest life. Can you learn from these Naps. Tony. 464 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, Tony taught me. He taught us all, but taught 465 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: me humility and patience. You know that you're not always 466 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: going to be the right away guy, because I obviously 467 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 3: told me it was my coach. My first year in 468 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 3: the NFL, and I didn't play. Only played in one game, 469 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: well two games that played in the playoff game, only 470 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 3: one regular season game. And it was humbling from a 471 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 3: guy who for me, came from college three times All ACC, 472 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 3: been All American, three times ACC Rookie of the Year. 473 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 3: All I had known was success coming into the league, 474 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 3: and the next thing you knew, I am like irrelevant 475 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 3: as a first year player, and that was humbling. But 476 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: he always was encouraging and the way that he handled 477 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 3: us as a team, but specifically everybody on the team, 478 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 3: not just the Warren SAPs and the Derrick Brooks and 479 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 3: the guys that were really challenging being the best players 480 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 3: on the team, but the guys that weren't. He helped 481 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 3: me understand that I needed to do more, and when 482 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: I did, I became a really good player. 483 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: Who actually taught me something He taught you also last 484 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: year at the Hall of fam or two years ago, 485 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: he told me he had taught you football is not 486 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: a career. It's an opportunity. 487 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was. That was. That was that. 488 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 3: Herm said that to me first. But yes, okay, that was. 489 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 3: That was one of the first things her told. You 490 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 3: told you got in and he's like, and Herm had 491 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: been there. 492 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 2: All right, you did say her I've been hitting that 493 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: a lot too, so I'm sorry, but you did tell 494 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: me and Peyton Manning's Hall of Fame that part I know. 495 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: Good, Yes, it's exactly right. Yeah. First thing he said 496 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: is like, man, it's not this isn't this isn't a career. 497 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 3: This is an opportunity. There's a lot of men that 498 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 3: want to do what you're doing right now, and there 499 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 3: are a lot that aren't doing it. Are you going 500 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 3: to do what it takes to become the guy that 501 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: can make this, uh, this opportunity last long? And And 502 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: that was. Those weren't powerful words because you get in 503 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: the league you think that, man, this thing is gonna 504 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: last forever, and you start playing and you think this 505 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 3: thing's gonna last forever. But in the back of my 506 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: mind those words always stayed there. It's just an opportunity, man, 507 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 3: And it's not finite. It's gonna end, right, it's not infant. 508 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's finite, it's gonna end. And just always 509 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: knowing that just helps. It helped me probably be the 510 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 3: guy that we were talking about earlier that take your opportunities, 511 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,239 Speaker 3: do chances to play, don't give them up, you know, 512 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: because any one miss game is could be your last. 513 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 3: And I wasn't willing to let that happen. 514 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 2: What's the best lesson you learned from Mike Tomlin, who, 515 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: by the way, folks and her members left. I got 516 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: calls from Ronde and a bunch of people in there going, man, 517 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 2: nobody replaced her. 518 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 3: Nobody. 519 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 2: They got this new guy coming to Mike Tomlin. No shot, 520 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: no shot. They took them all about a day going 521 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 2: this dude's unbelievable. 522 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 3: That's a funny story. We got it. We get in 523 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: and it's the off season, right. But I got a 524 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 3: story about Mike that goes back and forth. He was 525 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: actually our coach. But I remember the first day of 526 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 3: off season work like the OTA's they were much longer 527 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: back then. Now they're like, it's like three weeks of 528 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 3: work in the freaking off season. Don't do anything But 529 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 3: back then, we're out first day doing new drills and 530 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 3: I remember Lynch came up to me and said, Roy, 531 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: what is up with this? Dude? Man, where do you 532 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: want all these drills that we probably didn't colle it 533 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 3: we needed to do this stuff. But after like a week, 534 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 3: literally everybody's like, Okay, I'm getting better. I'm getting better 535 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: by doing this these minute, detailed drills that seemed irrelevant 536 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 3: at the time, but it helped. It helped that perfection thing. 537 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 3: And he was really really good at like convincing you 538 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 3: that it was gonna make you a better player, and 539 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 3: then obviously it did. But yeah, Mike T. Mike T 540 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 3: was the first one. If you're asking for lessons from 541 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 3: these guys, Mike T was the first guy that offered 542 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 3: a mentality adjustment for me because I had been successful, right, 543 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: I was a starter at that point. I wasn't very 544 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 3: production wise, it wasn't very that wasn't great. But he 545 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 3: saw something in me that he said was going to 546 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 3: differentiate me from the crowd, and it was the way 547 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 3: that I played inside played Nickel. He's like, I've watched 548 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 3: all of your tape. Nobody's doing this and you're the 549 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 3: only person I've ever seen do these reps like this, 550 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 3: and he's like, how can we get better? And how 551 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 3: can we get you to twenty sacks? And I'm like, 552 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: I'm not thinking about sack. I only had six interceptions 553 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: at the time in my career. He was like four 554 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 3: years in. I had six interceptions, Like, how can I 555 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 3: get more interceptions? He's like, dude, We're going to make 556 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 3: you a twenty twenty guy. And I'm like, okay, And 557 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 3: we went about to do it, and twelve years later 558 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 3: I was forty five twenty five guy. 559 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: And he got you to have confidence in yourself. 560 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 3: He made me believe. He made me believe that I 561 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 3: was on a level that I didn't think that I 562 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 3: was on. It was refreshing because he was really the 563 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 3: first guy that gave me that. It empowered me to 564 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 3: be the guy that's now about to get a gold jacket. 565 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 2: So many special things about Mike Tollman, and I think 566 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 2: one of the things that's great too. As you said, man, 567 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 2: you guys were all complaining that first week Mike Tomlin 568 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 2: could care less with anybody. Six of them. He does 569 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: not at all. Is such an art form and a gift. 570 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: It's and he does it. It's not premeditated. No, it's 571 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 3: not like playing doesn't sit down and write it out 572 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 3: and plan it out Like, this is what I'm gonna 573 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 3: say to these guys today. You put him in any 574 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 3: situation and ask him a question that he has never 575 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 3: heard before. He's gonna give you the right answer. And 576 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: it's He's the most unbelievable guy I've ever seen it 577 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: being able to do that. Uh. And he obviously you 578 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 3: use my coach for five years. I got a lot 579 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 3: of it and I absorbed it all. I feel like 580 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 3: I gave him some too, but he gave me more. 581 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 3: He gave me much much more. And I appreciate the 582 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 3: hell out of the man he changed. He changed my career, 583 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: changed the trajectory of my career without a doubt. 584 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 2: And obviously we're gonna see him in chatting with the 585 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: whole crew as well. 586 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll be there. 587 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: You've had a lot of huge plays obviously, it plays 588 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: in the super Bowl and plays in playoffs against Philly, 589 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 2: I mean huge plays. Is there one that stands out 590 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 2: more for you that you you lay your head on 591 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: your pillow at night and that just lifts you up 592 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: till today. 593 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's it's actually it was towards the latter 594 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 3: part of my career, be honest with you. Obviously, the 595 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: Philly could play in the NFC Championship game is the 596 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 3: one that everybody knows about. It was biggest. But I 597 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 3: was at my you know, I was at my peak. 598 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 3: It was coming off the year that I led the 599 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 3: league in interceptions. It was that next year, and you know, 600 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 3: I was in I was playing my best ball. Literally 601 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 3: I was at the peak. And I've stated that that 602 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 3: being a plateau for a lot more years. But there 603 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 3: was a time, I think it was eight when you 604 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 3: talk about mental health, when I was kind of down 605 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 3: in the dumps because I think I was thirty. How 606 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 3: old i've been in a thirty three years old. You know, 607 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 3: I'd had a long career already. We just drafted a 608 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 3: key who we were talking about earlier, and the team 609 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 3: wanted to replace me. They wanted to put a keyb 610 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 3: in in a game. And I was devastated. You know, 611 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 3: I'd had and it wasn't They talked thinking about starts, 612 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 3: consecutive starts, all this stuff. But I had had like 613 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: a long career and I was very well valued and 614 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 3: uh and viewed by a team and everybody else in 615 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 3: the middle of the season, they're thinking about starting this 616 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 3: rookie over me, and uh, it didn't end up happening. Uh, 617 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 3: that's a that's another very long story. But it didn't 618 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 3: end up happening. And that next game we played Detroit 619 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 3: and I had a two interception game, one for a touchdown, 620 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: and it was the second one that most stands out 621 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 3: in my mind as the play that sprungboard the latter 622 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: like the last four years of my career, because it 623 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 3: was like, ship, this dude still has it and I'm 624 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 3: not done right, not not even close to being right. 625 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 3: It was a comeback, which is a hard play to intercept, 626 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 3: came off the loop that we called that's a technique, 627 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 3: came off the loop, stuck my foot in the ground, 628 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: came came and undercut this this this receiver Dante Culpepper 629 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 3: kind of laid it out to the sideline. I picked 630 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 3: up a sweet pick too, had to reach up and 631 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 3: go get it, and then scored and it was like, Okay, 632 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 3: that mental health health crisis that I was having, that 633 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: crisis of confidence that I was starting to have again, 634 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: that shit's gone. And Uh. I played four more years 635 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 3: after that, and it was pretty powerful moment for me 636 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 3: still that I like to share with a lot with 637 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 3: people about you know, that perseverance and finding ways, you know, 638 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 3: to force your will on your opponent, right to force 639 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 3: your will on a situation. And it happened right for 640 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 3: me that day. 641 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: It's also it's a gift chart yourself to not label 642 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: yourself what everybody else was labeling. You asked, which your 643 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: whole career has kind of been at right. Everybody is 644 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: always how do you? How are you able to do that? 645 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: Not let people define you? But you've been able to 646 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: define yourself despite how they describe you. 647 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 3: That's exactly. It's actually kind of the message in my 648 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame speech to be honest with Jay uh, 649 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 3: you know, because there's a lot of people out there, 650 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 3: whether they just didn't care to know how what I was, 651 00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 3: or undervalued me or whatever. Those voices you realize aren't 652 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 3: your own, because it's easy to let them be your 653 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 3: own either. If they're doing they're so loud, and there's 654 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 3: so like, let's make a judgment on Jay Lazer, Jay Glazer, 655 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 3: no way, Jay Lader is going to be the most 656 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 3: prominent scoop Brenker. Now, I'm not calling it an insider. 657 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 3: That's not you. You're not an insider. All those other 658 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: fuckers are insiders. You're a scoopage king. Right, How am 659 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 3: I going to define myself Jay Lazer as being a 660 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 3: scoopage king? It was the same thing. How can I 661 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 3: let what other people's voices are saying define me? And 662 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 3: you just choose not. If you choose not to, you 663 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 3: open up yourself the possibility to be whatever you want 664 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 3: to be. I don't know where that came from, largely 665 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 3: because I knew that I wasn't going to be a failure. 666 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 3: I wasn't going to allow myself to be that. I 667 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 3: destined in my mind to be something better than that 668 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 3: than what they expected of me. And at the end 669 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 3: of the day, that was That was all I needed. 670 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 3: And it helps being good at your craft and you know, 671 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 3: having a mentality that allows you to get through it 672 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 3: where those opinions don't bear you. But over a course 673 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 3: of a sixteen year career, I proved a lot of 674 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 3: people wrong and that was at the end of the day. Now, 675 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: that's very rewarding, right. 676 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: And this is the first time, but it's worth it's 677 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: one of the best talents or skills or everyon want 678 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 2: to say, one of the best qualities that you've had 679 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: over the years is just not ever let anybody tell 680 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 2: you who you are and you decide I'm gonna make 681 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: up who laugh. 682 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 3: It's just been. 683 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: Incredible, and it's been incredible for me to have a 684 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: front row seat to it all. My last question I 685 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: asked all my guest, this, give me a moment in 686 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: your life that should have broken you but didn't, and 687 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: as a result, you came through the other side of 688 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: that tunnel much stronger, hence unbreakable, and you can use 689 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 2: that for the rest of your life. 690 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good one. I have to think about 691 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 3: that because there's probably been a couple. I know one 692 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 3: very early in life. I'm not even sure what age 693 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 3: I was now, probably about thirteen, and we were close 694 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: knit family. You know this, you know about my mom 695 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 3: and my aunts and and uh. I remember waking up 696 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 3: one morning my mom told me that her oldest sister, 697 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 3: the one just below my mom, my mom's the oldest, 698 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: was killed murder. And that moment was the first time 699 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 3: my life that I had had felt lost like that. 700 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 3: You know, old people die, You know, you around enough 701 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 3: old people, you know they're going to pass away. You 702 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 3: expect it. This was unexpected and I don't know that 703 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 3: it's so much changed me, but it jaded me, and 704 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 3: it gave me this realization that, you know, life is. 705 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 3: We were young, Tea and I were very young. I 706 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 3: want to say we were twelve, and I should know 707 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 3: this this year, but it's blanket on me right now. 708 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 3: But the reality was, it easily could have broke us, 709 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 3: It could have broke our family, but it didn't. We 710 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 3: persevered through it. We found a way to make ourselves 711 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 3: adjust to the grief and just the loss. And I 712 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 3: use that word jaded because nothing else could be more 713 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 3: important than losing a loved one. And at the end 714 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 3: of the day, whatever happened, we made it through that, 715 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 3: so we can make it me thin. 716 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: That was your first real sign of grief. 717 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 3: Right and not knowing how to deal with it too. 718 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 3: I mean, I'll watched my mom deal with it, and 719 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 3: my grandmother deal with it, and my other two aunts 720 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 3: deal with it. And the struggle that that really is, 721 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 3: that is it's unmarkable. You can't say how it affects 722 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 3: any one person. A grief is real it's tough, man, 723 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 3: and if you can get through the other side of it, 724 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 3: there can be joy and revelations of that life is 725 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 3: precious and you just have to love it when you 726 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 3: have it. 727 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 2: Well, brother, I cannot wait to see you this week. 728 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to see you this week, Ben, and listen. 729 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 2: I love when things happened to me that are really cool. 730 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 2: But life is amazing when it happened people you love, 731 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: and nobody deserves just more than you. Man. The hard 732 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 2: work you put in, the hours and hours and hours 733 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 2: and hours that I have witnessed, the injuries you've played 734 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 2: through just a grunt and man, the tiers that you've 735 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 2: built that no one else ever saw. I'm proud of you. 736 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 3: Thanks man, I love you, dude, you too. For me, 737 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 3: It's going to be a party, will be fun afterwards too. 738 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,479 Speaker 2: Oh it'll be great man. Hey, and once again, thank 739 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 2: you for and for my call that day and clearing 740 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 2: your schedule telling me you'll be there for me, Because 741 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 2: I think that change the trajectory of a lot of 742 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 2: people's lives. I was able to talk about what happens 743 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 2: when you call a friend saying I'm struggling. You're the 744 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,479 Speaker 2: first man, and definitely not the last. 745 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 3: Now. 746 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: I love you, man. 747 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 3: I'll always be there for your brother. Always. 748 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 2: Ronde Barber Hall of Famer, Thank you, brother,