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Speaker 1: Hello, my little badasses.

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Speaker 2: I am so fucking intimidated by today's episode.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm nervous, I'm shaking.

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Speaker 2: I'm never nervous about any guests, but today I have

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Speaker 2: the directing staff of Special Forces. Welcome Billy, Welcome Rudy.

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Speaker 2: Holy shit, you guys aren't nervous, like.

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Speaker 4: We are far from nervous.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're very thankful, but yeah, we've toppled regimes and

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Speaker 5: this is not your Well, I've.

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Speaker 2: Read through your backgrounds and your your resume, and I

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Speaker 2: immediately looked at East and I was like, Okay, First

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Speaker 2: of all, I have so many questions, and second of all,

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Speaker 2: I've never been this intimidated by anybody. So I love

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Speaker 2: the show. It is absolutely fantastic. But I really relate

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Speaker 2: to the people who after the first mission say I'm

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Speaker 1: Those are the most relatable to me.

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Speaker 2: And I just immediately went into I have breast implants,

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Speaker 2: so I can't go on the show like that was

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Speaker 2: my excuse. Because my mother is really into it as

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Speaker 2: well and said you should do this, you should test

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Speaker 2: your strength. I was like, let's not because then I

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Speaker 2: can say that I have all the strength in the world.

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Speaker 2: But I don't have to prove anything. And that's the

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Speaker 2: category that I sit well in.

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Speaker 6: Well, la la, you know what, believe it in all

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Speaker 5: It's such an opportunity because we do have recruits that

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Speaker 5: come on for the good reasons, like they want to

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Speaker 5: reconnect to patriotism.

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Speaker 6: Some of them have parents and or grant parents that served.

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Speaker 5: Others want to see what they're made of, maybe looking

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Speaker 5: for a new test or challenge. Everyone is shocked about

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Speaker 5: how difficult it is in different ways, and you'd be surprised.

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Speaker 5: You may think you're weak, or you may think you're afraid.

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Speaker 5: You may think that it's too much, But when the

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Speaker 5: chips are down and you've got other recruits suffering with

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Speaker 5: you, you find something deeper inside. And we've seen it across

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Speaker 5: the board in our program.

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Speaker 6: And it's not a TV show, it's really a course.

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Speaker 6: We run a course.

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Speaker 5: We have an incredible production house called Mental Films that

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Speaker 5: are skilled at capturing it. But we run a course

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Speaker 5: and we're always surprised, aren't we.

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Speaker 4: Bro I think most people come on it because they've

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Speaker 4: lost direction forgot oh they really are okay and they

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Speaker 4: want to be challenged in many many ways, and some

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Speaker 4: like Rudy says, you know, they may have a background

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Speaker 4: of coming from a military family, want to feel what

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Speaker 4: that was really about. But it's very much an individual journey.

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Speaker 4: And I would say ninety percent of the people say

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Speaker 4: exactly what you just said, that I couldn't do it,

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Speaker 4: or I wouldn't want to do it. Maybe you wouldn't

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Speaker 4: want to do it, but you could do it. You'd

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Speaker 4: be surprised what you could do because we will push

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Speaker 4: you physically, mentally, and emotionally through barriers you'd never ever

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Speaker 4: dream of going through or doing things that you couldn't imagine.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I love that you say that, And obviously you both

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Speaker 2: come from a background where this has been your real

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Speaker 1: Billy, what was it that made.

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Speaker 2: You want to enter into this world? Not the television show,

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Speaker 2: but before that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'll tell you, and it's the sas that you

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Speaker 4: It was. But you don't just go straight into Special Forces.

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Speaker 4: You have to go into a military branch and then

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Speaker 4: apply to going to the Special Forces. After a period

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Speaker 4: of time you have used to have to do about

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Speaker 4: five years of experience of being in a normal unit.

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Speaker 4: Then you go to the Special Forces for me. I

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Speaker 4: grew up in UK into a very poor family of five.

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Speaker 4: I was a middle child, which meant I was different,

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Speaker 4: And I was wrongue I was in a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 4: By the age of eleven, I was in county court.

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Speaker 4: By the age of thirteen, I was thrown out of school,

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Speaker 4: and that was the turning part of my life. Where

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Speaker 4: change my life. The military was that change. I knew

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Speaker 4: Parachute Regiment. Seventy seven zero of us started and at

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Speaker 4: and I was one of those seven. And then I

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Speaker 4: spent nine years with a parachute regiment, serving all over

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Speaker 4: And then after nine years I decided where to all

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Speaker 4: this time, there was two hundred and eighty three of

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Speaker 4: again seven of US finished. Wow, And I went to

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Speaker 4: B Squadron two two SES, which is very famous for

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Speaker 4: first time the British Special Forces were ever seen or

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Speaker 4: and yeah, and then I'll spent twenty years with the

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Speaker 4: sas decorated by the Queen on a number of occasions

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Speaker 4: at a wonderful career.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible. Our grandfather served in World War.

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Speaker 3: Two and then the Vietnam War, right.

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Speaker 1: And he had a silver Star. Is that I got

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Speaker 1: a silver star?

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Speaker 6: So is that something that's a big time?

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Speaker 5: That is a high decoration. It's the highest decoration. Underneath

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Speaker 5: the Congressional Medal of Honor, which mostly you receive posthumously

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Speaker 5: mostly you die. You have to sacrifice your life to

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Speaker 5: get the Congressional Medal of Honor right underneath that is

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Speaker 5: the silver Star.

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Speaker 6: Wow, that's not joke.

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Speaker 4: So he's obviously, you know, made a lot of sacrifices,

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Speaker 2: That's incredible because my mom would always talk about that

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Speaker 2: and you just kind of go like, wow, that's amazing,

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Speaker 2: and you don't really carry with you what that actually means.

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Speaker 2: So I'm having an overwhelming feeling right now.

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Speaker 3: Back to like you guys said, it's people who do

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Speaker 3: like that's a thing that I just thought, like for

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Speaker 4: Am I capable of? For sure?

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Speaker 2: So that yeah, and Rudy your your father was in

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Speaker 2: the Marines, Is that correct?

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Speaker 6: Yep? The Marine Corps in Vietnam. And I have two fathers.

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Speaker 5: My biological fathers also a marine in Vietnam and he

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Speaker 5: to my mom. But Rudy Reus who was passed on,

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Speaker 5: they both have pessed on. But my real father is

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Speaker 5: Rudy Rays And I'll tell you what. He has three boys.

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Speaker 5: I am his favorite, and I'm not even as biological.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he just loved me.

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Speaker 6: He called me Dad. He say Dad, I say Dad,

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Speaker 5: Married as a young recomrine. And you know, when we

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Speaker 5: no in the Marine Corps and in British Army. You

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Speaker 5: can't sign up for Special Force. There's no such thing.

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Speaker 5: You have to get your basic soldiering skills and there's

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Speaker 5: a culture to learn, and it's the basic soldiering disciplines,

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Speaker 5: If you can imagine, it's not like the movies. Combat

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Speaker 6: They don't have smart bullets. They're going to go wherever

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Speaker 5: And to coordinate and to work fields of fire, to

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Speaker 5: so much that goes into it. But I did my

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Speaker 5: My parents split up when I was very young. But

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Speaker 5: I was an athlete and I believed in fighting a

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Speaker 5: So I excelled in the boy's home. After I got

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Speaker 5: I got them out of the boys home too, so

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Speaker 5: So I said, well, if another young man's got to

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Speaker 5: Another young man's got to go fight. I was already

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Speaker 6: Have to do my part.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know really, not much about the military except

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Speaker 6: It was the United States Marines. No one else could

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Speaker 5: So I joined the infantry. Had no idea what I

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Speaker 6: So I failed. Every day.

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Speaker 5: Somebody messes up. Somebody in seventy freaking Marines is going

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Speaker 5: So I was punished every day. It's called the burden

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Speaker 5: of leadership. So it's punished for about six or eight months.

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Speaker 1: How do you get punished, like, what is the punishment entail?

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Speaker 5: Are you allowed to say, oh, well, they'll humiliate you,

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Speaker 5: bad in horrible ways. It's because it's teaching you that

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Speaker 5: This goes right to our work on the course. We inspect,

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Speaker 5: we do not expect. We do a lot of dangerous

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Speaker 5: work even on this course. The rope work, the helicopter work,

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Speaker 5: the swim escapes. Man, it's all real deal, operational freaking risk.

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Speaker 5: We need to be switched on. We check each other out,

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Speaker 1: Well do you have children?

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Speaker 5: I do, my two little babies. They love the hell

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Speaker 4: Well, my kids are growing up now, so my house

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Speaker 4: I let them be kids. I let them grow up.

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Speaker 4: Dan? Anyway? Dan, he's a deal. Welcome to my family.

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Speaker 4: You are welcome in my family. That's my precious daughter.

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Speaker 4: which means you hurt my family, which means I'll kill you.

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Speaker 4: I says, Did you hear that I will kill you?

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Speaker 4: I went, sorry, Dan, oh, Cayley's boyfriend. Yes, apparently you

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Speaker 4: Now, no, no, Danny's missing in action.

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Speaker 4: Yes he does. Okay, but Monster's hug you like rudey

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Speaker 4: She's like yeah, she goes a new U because I'm Dan. Well, Dan,

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Speaker 4: God bless Danny.

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Speaker 1: And I love that part.

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Speaker 2: But when I hear you guys talk about your kids

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Speaker 4: Buns, don't worry.

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Speaker 5: But he has both My children have Asian mothers and

439
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 5: Asian families.

440
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 6: That are steeped in respect and tradition. Both the mothers

441
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 6: are doctors.

442
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 5: Both their families come here as both are actually both

443
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 5: the mothers are immigrants themselves. They know the value of

444
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 5: a dollar. They are extremely hard working. My son's grandfather

445
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 5: is a martial artist as well and a neurologist.

446
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 6: She's an oral surgeon.

447
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 5: The books have to come first before any fun on

448
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 5: the ice, and if you want to spend time with

449
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 5: Papa Ruti, then the marks need to be high.

450
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 6: A matter of fact, both the kids go to extra school.

451
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 5: You know, their mothers and their families are very disciplined

452
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 5: about really being competitive, and they may not like it

453
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,959
Speaker 5: now when they get older, it will be paying dividends.

454
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 5: Now with me, when somebody's acting out of line or

455
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 5: not showing respect, it just drop the voice and I

456
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 5: look them in the eye and boom, it's squared away.

457
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 5: That's the most important part is that they respect their

458
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 5: fathers because they love them, and I definitely shower them

459
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 5: with love and attention as well. Like when he raised

460
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 5: his kids, he was always on operation. I've been on

461
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 5: operation and gone until really I retire ten years ago. Nowadays,

462
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 5: the time with our loved ones is number one and

463
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 5: they can't.

464
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Speaker 6: Go out and do the awesome stuff that we do.

465
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Speaker 5: So anytime and every time and we're off of work,

466
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 5: we're doing stuff with the kids.

467
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Speaker 1: I love that. I wonder this all the time.

468
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 2: When you guys would go out on missions, right, and

469
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: you had a goal, and I know that you both.

470
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: I saw the word sniper in both of your guys

471
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: as bios. But when you go into a mission and

472
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: you know what you have to do, is there ever

473
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: a thought in your mind because your fine tuned machines, period,

474
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 2: but do you keep the human aspect with you where

475
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 2: you're like, this could go terribly wrong and it could

476
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: be my last day on Earth?

477
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: Time Every time I.

478
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Speaker 6: Do, yeah, I always know that it.

479
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 5: I mean every moment we've been in heavy heavy kinetic warfare.

480
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 5: I've had the bullets just go through my windshield and

481
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 5: the RPGs just miss me and man, I mean hell

482
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 5: fire rockets coming in from the cobras and then skirmishes

483
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 5: pushing on the flank.

484
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 6: I mean, it's been freaking heavy. However, I know.

485
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 5: That this could be it, but I have no barrier

486
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 5: between me and what must be done. And in some

487
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 5: ways I'm not even afraid. I understand the risk. But

488
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 5: if I got afraid, I think I would.

489
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 6: Freeze or slow down. I look back now at.

490
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 5: Some of the heavy stuff I fought Fellujah on Ramadi,

491
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 5: which is just freaking pannemonium in the ring nowadays, I'd

492
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 5: be a little bit scared, or I would slow down

493
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 5: and say, hey, let's just think about this a little

494
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 5: bit more. Hey, let's just wait a second. I wonder

495
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 5: if my aggression and plus your teammates are your best

496
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 5: friends that are just as skilled and just as badass

497
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 5: as you. You will not be killed because somebody stabs

498
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 5: you or shoot you in the back. And you will

499
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 5: not be killed because somebody hits you from the flank,

500
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 5: because that's good. You may get killed going head to head,

501
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 5: and that's all all I'm thinking about.

502
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 6: I think that's why I was successful.

503
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 5: I was so conditioned, and I had such trust in

504
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 5: my team, and we lived it.

505
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 6: It was not a job for us, it was a

506
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 6: way of life, right.

507
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 4: The thing is, I mean every time before we step

508
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 4: out to go and do a mission, that was the

509
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 4: time when you put to bed those sort of emotions

510
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 4: and those things you know, you look the pictures of

511
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 4: my kids and what's important to you and making sure

512
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 4: everything squared away. And that's why I'm a massive, massive

513
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 4: advocate and push a lot about how important time is.

514
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 4: You know, that last phone call, making sure that we

515
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 4: weren't arguing, the kids weren't arguing. We're all happy. Listen.

516
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 4: You know, I wouldn't tell them what I was doing,

517
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 4: but I'd walk out. I'm getting dressed. The last thing

518
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 4: I'd do is I walked out of the room to

519
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 4: get on the helicopter to do whatever we were going

520
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 4: to do is look at those pictures of kids and think,

521
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 4: you know, that might be the last time I'll see them.

522
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 4: But then that's it. That's compartmentalized now and you're learned

523
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 4: to do that. I never went into any any fight,

524
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 4: any battle with that in my mind that I wanted

525
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 4: the kids again, that was already done. Once I've stepped

526
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 4: onto the alicopter.

527
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 6: That's it.

528
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 4: I'm in a different mindset, and it's it's it's kind

529
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 4: of selfish in many ways. To be fair, I.

530
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: Don't think so. I think that.

531
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: What you're doing is so unselfish that I feel like

532
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: you can't feel selfish doing that.

533
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 4: You had to want to do what you're doing and

534
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 4: believe because.

535
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 5: The glory, I think this is what's interesting by trying

536
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 5: to say, and this is some deeper ship right here.

537
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 6: We loved the edge.

538
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 5: That and the things that we could do because not

539
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 5: everybody could do some of the things. Well there's not

540
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 5: a lot of people that could do those things, and

541
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 5: we felt so freaking rewarded, not really with money, but

542
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 5: with each other, with you know, I.

543
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 4: Believed in what I was doing. I was going on

544
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 4: to make the world a better place. I was going

545
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: out to my sacrifice that I might not come back,

546
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 4: but I feel if I died doing what I'm doing

547
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 4: a good thing. I'm stopping a lot of people suffering.

548
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 4: And that's and I believe that that's what and that's

549
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 4: and that these these are some of these people are

550
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 4: going out to stop the suffering for don't even fucking

551
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 4: like me, right, they don't even know who I am.

552
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 4: But I felt, you know, this is the right thing

553
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 4: to do to go out there. So back to what

554
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 4: your question was, you know, those emotions and those feelings

555
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: we haven't and it was always nice to walk back

556
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: in the door that relief of I can talk to

557
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 4: him again. I'll get to see him again. But there

558
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 4: was always that moment of step off of that threshold.

559
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 4: That's it. I'm now focused on what I need to

560
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 4: be doing, and I believe in what I'm gonna do,

561
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 4: and I may not come back. That's the reality of it.

562
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 4: You know. I didn't let it play on me, And

563
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: there was no way every fight I got into my

564
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 4: Rudy's just saying, there's so many close calls, and there's

565
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 4: many times now I'll have a beer that the airs

566
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 4: on the back of my next dand I'm thinking, how

567
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 4: the fuck did I get out of that? I don't know,

568
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 4: but I think those moments those happen. You just get

569
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 4: on with it and later on you go, hey, not today, Satan,

570
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 4: I'm fucking coming home. And that was my that was

571
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 4: my way of getting you know. It's now when I

572
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: stand around in the bar and talk to my maids

573
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 4: and they go, how the fuck did you get out

574
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 4: of that? And I don't know.

575
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure you got.

576
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: I was supposed to, but I went in there. Sorry totally.

577
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 4: You know, folks, on what I'm doing my RT not

578
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 4: my life back all. And that's why now I was

579
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 4: just saying earlier, I'm my grandfather. I'm now being a father,

580
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 4: really for the first time, because when my kids were

581
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 4: growing up, I was literally from nineteen joining the regiment

582
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 4: in ninety two till when I left twenty ten, I

583
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 4: was on war footing all the time. I was never

584
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 4: on Wow, I never saw them grow up. And I

585
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 4: only really realized how bad that was on my kids

586
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: when my daughter started crying one night and listened to

587
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 4: me telling stories with buddies, and she said, I don't

588
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 4: know you, dad, I don't know anything about you all

589
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 4: those stories, and I realized it. I wasn't there. I was.

590
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 4: I was doing what I believe was right, fighting for

591
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 4: my country and fighting for a better world. So now

592
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 4: I spend every second I can with those grandkids. As

593
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 4: I showed you.

594
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're beautiful.

595
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 4: They just wrapped me around their finger. They fucking terrorized me.

596
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: But but you love it.

597
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: And I want to say before we move on to

598
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: your show, Special Forces, the World's Toughest Test, which if

599
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: you guys have.

600
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: Not watched, is fucking gnarly.

601
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: But I want to thank you both for what you do,

602
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: what you've done for our country.

603
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: And you know I took ocean. She's my four year old.

604
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: And there's this airplane museum in Palm Springs and they

605
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: were part of the military, you know, when there's a

606
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: lot of planes that they're like, if you donate money,

607
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: we can get this this girl back in the air.

608
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: But a lot of big boomed painted women on this side.

609
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, exactly, or keeps your mind right. So I

610
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: don't know that's what I hear from the boys, but

611
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 2: I was trying to teach her that what we just

612
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: saw in the uniforms that we just saw, you know how,

613
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to explain it to a four year

614
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: old that you know, when you go to school and

615
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: you get to play the people that were in those

616
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: planes and wore those uniforms, those are the people that

617
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: allow us to be able to laugh and feel safe.

618
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: So that, you know, was a special thing for me

619
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: because again, my father was one of those people. So

620
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: you're you're both very incredible, and I'm glad that we

621
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: got to talk about your backgrounds Now, let's get into

622
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: this gnarly show. First of all, I want to know

623
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: how it came to be. Did you guys pitch this

624
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: show or did people come to you and say we

625
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: have a concept now.

626
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 4: This show started in around about twenty sixteen in the UK.

627
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 6: Okay, it was called sas.

628
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 4: Hudares Wins, which it still is today. So it started

629
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 4: over there and it was the exact same show as

630
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 4: it is now, but it was with non celebrities initially

631
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 4: and just men. For the first couple of series that

632
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 4: it was non celebrities men plus women. You know, the

633
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 4: audience started to grow. Then it became we did one

634
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 4: series of non celebrities and then one of celebrities, and

635
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 4: all the celebrities that came on, all the money was

636
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 4: donated to charity at the time. So that's where it started,

637
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 4: initiated back in the UK long time ago, and he's

638
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 4: still running today and we are still part of that.

639
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 4: So I was part of it from the very second

640
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 4: series of the shows. I was asked to do the

641
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 4: first one. I said no, and then I joined and

642
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: did the Jungle of Ecuador. I can't remember what year,

643
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen or something whatever, anyway, so that's where it started,

644
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: and he grew and grew and grew, and America came

645
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 4: over and watched the show and said, right, we'll replicate that.

646
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 4: They came back to the States, tried to replicate it.

647
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 4: It didn't really take off, so that died of death.

648
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: And then about three years ago Fox then looked at

649
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 4: the show went well, you know actually because then Rudy

650
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 4: had come on because at the time it was four.

651
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 5: Brits or Brits and they brought my crazy what the

652
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 5: hell is going on?

653
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 6: Yeah? Easy, John Rambo, you know what I mean. However,

654
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 6: the UK brother what a moment.

655
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, dog, I walked the streets in London

656
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 5: and bugs, it's all over you like a cheap suit.

657
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 6: It's awesome. I won him over.

658
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 5: But this same team, this brother has been walking through

659
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 5: and teaching me the ropes from what almost five years

660
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 5: ago when I first came on over there. Fox really

661
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 5: loved what they were seeing. But the real magic is

662
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 5: our team and our production. It is a British production.

663
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 5: They really know how to keep it real. Yeah, and

664
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 5: they really know Yeah it's so it's a course, it's

665
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 5: not a TV show.

666
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: So because that's what I was wondering, I was like,

667
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: I wonder if at any point they stop and they're like, hey,

668
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: can we get that again?

669
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 6: Or is it So basically, it.

670
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: Can be anything from ten days to seventeen days, depends

671
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: on how many episodes I want to make. Okay, And

672
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: it's a course, so we are four drill instructures for

673
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 4: an easy word that these celebrities come onto. Our course

674
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 4: that is everything about testing people physically, mentally and emotionally,

675
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 4: just like joining the army or the military. And we

676
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 4: push these people from day one to whatever day they

677
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 4: get to and lift their lookie to the end. We

678
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: put them through every challenge that we've been through or

679
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 4: type of challenge to test them and push them through

680
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 4: their boundaries to scare the life album and but to

681
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 4: show them not to hurt them or not to break them,

682
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 4: to peel them back to their raw self and prove

683
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 4: to them when you say I can't do, we can

684
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 4: prove to you you can. Okay, and we do and

685
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 4: it's gonna hurt, but you can do it. So that's

686
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 4: what it is. That's all. It's a course. It starts,

687
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: it's filmed twenty four hours a day. There is no script,

688
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 4: there's no rehearsal.

689
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: So they're actually sleeping in that area.

690
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 5: They're living in the barracks, so they're shitting in the

691
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 5: freaking ship houses.

692
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 6: We're living in the barracks. We're running in the field.

693
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: It's what kind of food are they eating?

694
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 5: Basics, potatoes, carrots, and some kind of meat and some soup,

695
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 5: all right, And every couple of days that food gets

696
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 5: cut down, it gets less and less because the idea.

697
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 4: That the program is to find out somebody's true character, right,

698
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: And the only way you find someone's true character is

699
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 4: when they're tired, they're hungry, and they're uncomfortable. That shows

700
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: you true character. We can all look good on social media,

701
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 4: we can all look good in front of.

702
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 5: It when you're feeling great and you've had a night

703
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 5: of sleep and you've had plenty of food. When you

704
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 5: take away their sleep and you take away their food,

705
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 5: it's the closest thing we can give them to combat stress.

706
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 5: And you see the real people show up, and no

707
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 5: matter what, it's a positive thing.

708
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what.

709
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 5: If the real person shows up and they're really kind

710
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 5: of a jerk or selfish or lazy, they haven't.

711
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 6: A chance to address it.

712
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 5: And if they don't address it so well, their cohort

713
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 5: and teammates, their platoon helps address it.

714
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 6: It really is.

715
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 5: A format and a culture that we know works because

716
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 5: it worked with.

717
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 4: Us, right, So back to the show. There's no script.

718
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: So they turn up and when we're there in front

719
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 4: of us, that is the only time we see them.

720
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 4: So how you react. What I'm telling you in shell

721
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: it not you, is how I will react to you. And

722
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 4: it's all filmed. Okay. When they go back to their

723
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 4: dormitory accommodations, we have no idea what goes. We're not

724
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 4: allowed to know what they talk about, what they talk about,

725
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 4: what they're doing. There's no narrative when the show starts,

726
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 4: there's no The narrative is built as the show goes on,

727
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 4: because something will happened in front of us, and we

728
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: may rip them apart, you know, get stuck into them.

729
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 4: They go back and they're fucking bitching and I'm gonna

730
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 4: go each of it. And that's when they start to

731
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 4: build a narrative. And then they may come to us

732
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 4: and say, hey, is it could you possibly interview number five?

733
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 4: They won't say why or what their story is. We

734
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 4: have to get that out of them in the mirror room, right,

735
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 4: and then that starts to build and we still don't

736
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 4: see that, you know, when you're in that room, that interview,

737
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 4: I have no idea about what you what's gonna come

738
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: out in your mouth, and we're not allowed to know.

739
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: Those are heartbreaking, by the way, heartbreaking, But that's the

740
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: opportunity for growth that I think is the most important

741
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: part of the show.

742
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 4: That is the show.

743
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 6: That is the real show.

744
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 5: The course and the gas chamber of the hand to

745
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 5: hand fighting, helicopter operations, high ropes. Those are taskers and

746
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 5: we're looking to put you under pressure and observe you.

747
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 5: But what happens in the mirror room is the magic.

748
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: And Billy Billy's very good at that. I've learned a

749
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 5: lot from him. I work normally on the mirror rooms

750
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 5: with him. It's very good at it.

751
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 6: But that's the magic of the show.

752
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: There is no script and they don't give you a

753
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: list of questions to ask.

754
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 6: No, they don't give that.

755
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: That's incredible.

756
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 4: We choose who we want to talk to because we've

757
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 4: watched them through the day, and I'll go right number seven.

758
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 4: She's she's there's something behind her. You know, we've had

759
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 4: such an experience over our twenty thirty years of being

760
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: in the military, you know, being in combat, being a

761
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 4: training people, you get to know people, you get to

762
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 4: beat people, and you could tell something's not right with

763
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 4: that person.

764
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I want to have it.

765
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 4: Let's get her in tonight. Let's have a chat, Let's

766
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 4: see what's going on, and it's you know, we start

767
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 4: a simple process. Just make them feel calm that it's

768
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 4: not a police interview, it's a chat. Although it is

769
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 4: pretty intimidating whence two of us just staring at you. Yeah,

770
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 4: I mean that room is a magic room. Even if

771
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 4: you've come in there. If we had you in that

772
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 4: mirror room and you've got deep secrets you don't talk,

773
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 4: I will go to you. You will be talking about it.

774
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: I think you'd tell me to shut up and you've

775
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: heard it not I'm an oversharer.

776
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 6: Or you know. What's so wild is that we're you're.

777
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 5: The course is going to test to physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually.

778
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 5: The conditions we are in one hundred and twenty one

779
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 5: hundred and thirty degrees in Jordan, we're in one hundred

780
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 5: and ten degrees with one hundred percent humidity in the jungle.

781
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 5: We're in freezing cold, amphibious conditions. The nature of that,

782
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 5: which we kind of tay for granted, it was our

783
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 5: whole life was being pushed into extremity of conditions where

784
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 5: it's just our every day. But for civilians that have

785
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 5: never experienced it, they're freaking taking on so much. By

786
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 5: the time they get bagged and tagged and put down

787
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 5: sat before us and the freaking bag and goggles come off,

788
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 5: they are.

789
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 6: They just release it.

790
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 4: Shoka capture yep, they just release What's what they're really going.

791
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 6: To and they want to Yeah, well the.

792
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 4: Reason they've come exactly, and it's amazing to see it,

793
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 4: you know, and their backstories that most of them are

794
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 4: sad unfortunately, you know, they've been rayed or the lad

795
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 4: children killed or whatever it is. And like I said,

796
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 4: we don't know. Unless I know you personally or followed you,

797
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 4: I might know a bit about you. For me, because

798
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 4: they're American, I have no fucking idea. So whatever's going

799
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 4: to come out of their mouth is going to come

800
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 4: out of their mouth. And I'm like, whoa. Now for us,

801
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 4: you know, we're emotional people as well when somebody's talking

802
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: about their child dying or it's fucking hot, So but

803
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 4: we have to keep the poker face Okay, got it,

804
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: got it, And then we have to listen to that

805
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 4: story go a little bit deeper. Feel we need to

806
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 4: or get what we need out of them to make

807
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 4: them feel better, and it's you know, so we then

808
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: understand where they are any and then we have to

809
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: come out with some way of pick them up, get

810
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 4: them out. Let's get them fucking back on the feet.

811
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: I think that would be the hardest thing is once

812
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: they tell you such, I'm horrendered really to be like,

813
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: now go jump out of a helicopter and to freeze.

814
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 4: No, no, because now listen, you have just spilled your

815
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 4: whole life out and everything that's bothered you. Yeah, you

816
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: can't get any low on it. They come out, So

817
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 4: they walk out of that room, honestly, and yeah, you'll

818
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 4: see a total different person when they the next time,

819
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 4: seeing because they've got they felt good about. You know,

820
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 4: when you're in a situation in a relationship and you've

821
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 4: got something you really want to get up in the

822
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: chest and you don't, then it comes out, Genn, it

823
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: comes out with a fight and an argument, but it's

824
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 4: gone and then you think, I wish I'd have just

825
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: sorted that out earlier. Right, that's what that situation is

826
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 4: for them. So they come out and right, there's only

827
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 4: one answer to anything when you're in darkness, right, and

828
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 4: this is how we get through how I get through

829
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 4: it anyway, most of the situations have been in we've

830
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: been in as well. You know, you see them there

831
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 4: for bad, bad situations been there before, so we've got

832
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 4: some experience. Now, if you're start in front of me

833
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 4: spilling out your heart, your sadness, you're firstly in my head.

834
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 4: I'm going right, it's because something has happened. It's already happened.

835
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 4: That's the key. It's already history. It's happened. You can't

836
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 4: change it. Your child's died, or this has happened. It's done.

837
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 4: You can't change it. Okay, Now, of course it's hard,

838
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 4: it's difficult. Now. The only thing you can do now

839
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 4: is accept it is painful. But you've got to move

840
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: forward because time is all we've got. You've got to

841
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: pick yourself up and go. You know, I can't change it.

842
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 4: What can I do? I can make a better version

843
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 4: of myself and enjoy what I've got left, because we

844
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 4: don't know what we've got left. And that is the answer.

845
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: History already happened. Time is the most important. Pick yourself up,

846
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: move forward, and the easiest way or the best way

847
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 4: I always find to get people is all of a sudden,

848
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 4: turn it off as if it doesn't really matter. Of

849
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 4: course it does, but make them feel ship. Okay, I've

850
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: said it. Now let's go distract them from that sadness

851
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 4: into let's go it almost like breaking the reassurance, almost breaking.

852
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 5: That negative loop in there, and you know one of

853
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 5: us will end up and it's it's a it's a

854
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 5: fine line. When people start going so deep in the dark,

855
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 5: we know we're gonna freaking stop it right there, and

856
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 5: it's time to get serious because we still got a

857
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 5: lot of training to do, right or you see someone

858
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 5: actually being unburdened and they start to feel even a

859
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 5: little happy than one of us.

860
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 6: God, I mean, no matter what, we get them in

861
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 6: the now, it's the history.

862
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 5: We've we've all got scars, everybody in this room, we've

863
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 5: all been through things, we all got regrets.

864
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 6: But that's then we.

865
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 5: Need you here now now, Yeah, not just you, not

866
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 5: just you, but your team as well.

867
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: Let's go, how how do you guys pick the missions

868
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: that they do? And like, are there any that they

869
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: that you guys think of? And then go that is

870
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: way too dangerous.

871
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 6: No, no, we never say it's way to every production.

872
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 4: Sometimes everything they do we will do before and we've done.

873
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 4: Everything they do is based on something real that we've

874
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: done in the military. Well, you get production, the director

875
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 4: who's got this great idea and actually fucking stupid he

876
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 4: thinks is a great idea in terms of right, Billy, rudy,

877
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 4: what we're going to do today is this and we'll listen. No,

878
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 4: we fucking ain't. This is what we're gonna do, okay,

879
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 4: because I'll give you an example. You know, a lot

880
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 4: of my friends say to me, a billy, when in

881
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 4: the Special Forces, did you run up a hill carrying

882
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 4: tires and a log? Well we fucking didn't, did we.

883
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 4: But we run up there carrying amminition. That represents ammunition and.

884
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 5: Crew served weapons and massive machine Right, So when you

885
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 5: see carrying a big log across a big open field

886
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 5: and being shot at, that represents taking a body.

887
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 4: Off the battlefield, which we've done. You know, ab sailing

888
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 4: into the water, it's because it's covert. It's a sneaky

889
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 4: way of getting into the target. So everything they do

890
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: is based on something that we have done. And you know,

891
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 4: we don't know the time to explain every situation. But

892
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: it's it's all there to test people, you know, physically,

893
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 4: mentally and emotionally. You even scared of, you know, open spaces,

894
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 4: cold water heights or can find spaces, will test you

895
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 4: on every one of them. Find But we monitor everything

896
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 4: every single night. We have which never gets shown on

897
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 4: the show, when they go to bed after eighteen nineteen

898
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 4: hours of working, because that's every day what they do.

899
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 4: We've still got an hour and a half where we

900
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 4: sit and we'll talk about you. Right, where was she today? Yeah,

901
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: physically she's good. We don't need to push it any more.

902
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 4: Let's look at her mental side. What was she like?

903
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 4: She's petrified the fights. Okay, let's get on this task

904
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 4: tomorrow and make her do you know, and we'll but

905
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 4: we might not to hurt you, ought to break you,

906
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 4: push you to the point, and we might watch him

907
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 4: very very closely. Okay, she's give her a hundred percent.

908
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 4: She's past that barrier. That's we don't need to go

909
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 4: any further. She's done and that's and that's every single person.

910
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 4: That's why when they go, wow, how is this show? Fair? Affair? Show?

911
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 4: You've got you know, a six stone one hundred pound

912
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 4: young lady, You've got a fucking two hundred pound muscle

913
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 4: mud who can run all day. How is it fair

914
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: that they're both Well, it is because a muscle mode,

915
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: we'll expect him to run at fucking speed that we dictate.

916
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 4: The lady could just finish it. That's hundred percent. So

917
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 4: it's all balanced up. Okay, there's no concessions. Everybody does

918
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 4: the same stuff. But we do know where your hundred

919
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: percent point is. We know what yours is. And is

920
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 4: this different to mine?

921
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 5: Well, we all have strengths, and we all have strengths

922
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 5: and challenges. And what we find which is so magnificent

923
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 5: is the beautiful production and the shooters and the cinematographer.

924
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 5: As directors, they see the grandiose, gorgeous tasks from the bridge,

925
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 5: from the helicopter, these amazing underwater escapes and so on

926
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 5: and so forth.

927
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 6: What you see bring.

928
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 5: Out the best as a team and as an individual

929
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 5: is no tech at all. We simply have them carrying

930
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 5: boats and carrying equipment for long periods of time, and

931
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 5: the strongest people almost always burn out. The weak people

932
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 5: have to step up.

933
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: Do you think that's because mentally, maybe they feel like

934
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: they've got an upper hand, Like, for example, you've got

935
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 2: two ex football players this season. You've got Cam Newton,

936
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: who I know from he played for the Panthers, and

937
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 2: then Golden Tate, who I cannot remember, but I always

938
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: remember that fine looking face. I was always with his

939
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: helmet on. I was like, that's a fine looking motherfucker.

940
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: But I always wonder like, did they go in thinking

941
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: I've got this because I'm yes, I knew that Cam

942
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: was going to be an issue the moment you got

943
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: onto the boat and you go what's your name?

944
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 5: And he goes, Cam, I don't like your attitude.

945
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 6: Stop drop the attitude. Drop the attitude. Wamp No.

946
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 5: The football players have a rude fucking awakening on this course.

947
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 6: They always do.

948
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of It is a month thing,

949
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 4: it's a it's an evil thing. It's it's masculine. I

950
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 4: ain't I'm gonna be the tough guy instead of just

951
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 4: go with it, learn from it, get an experience, which

952
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 4: the women do. Everybody initially guarded and you've got it

953
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 4: because you think about I was I'm going to be

954
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 4: portrayed on TV. How are people thinking about me? After

955
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 4: the first day where we've stripped them naked and they're

956
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 4: all bare. They're covered up. By day two, I ain't

957
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 4: worried about No, they.

958
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: Don't care about taking a ship in front of everybot anything.

959
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 4: So those barriers are coming down. But yeah, some of

960
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 4: the men, it's still They've still gonna have these arms,

961
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 4: fucking tough and on this. But it's just a man thing.

962
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 4: I think it's the big ones. And then comes the excuses, Yeah,

963
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 4: oh my pants are two times a boot are too tight.

964
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 4: He's got high tuded with me.

965
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: I would have a really hard time complaining, knowing what

966
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: the two of you have been through.

967
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 5: What's so interesting is that the females are female recruits.

968
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 5: And you know, for the longest time, I didn't think

969
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 5: women had a place in Special Force. We've been fighting

970
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 5: with women in combat first long as I've been fighting,

971
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 5: and we have them as great helicopter pilots and fast

972
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 5: mover pilots, intel officers, females fantastic asset in the military.

973
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 5: But as far as tip of the spear, grindhouse, kick

974
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 5: the doors in, kill the bad guys, and do it

975
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 5: day in, day out for as long as it takes,

976
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 5: I didn't think women had the physical robustness. Not the mind,

977
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 5: but the physical robustness. I'll tell you what this course

978
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 5: has taught me so much. The women continue to surprise

979
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 5: me at what an asset they are because they are

980
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 5: flexible mentally. They do not take humiliation. Humiliation just shut

981
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 5: runs off of their back. They get up and go again.

982
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 5: They get their ass knocked in the dirt, get up

983
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 5: and go again. And we never hear the women make

984
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 5: excuses to We never hear an excuse from a woman.

985
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: Wow.

986
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 6: But the men we love to complain.

987
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: I've never felt prouder to be a woman.

988
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 4: That's not all the men. It's the same thing. It's

989
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 4: never he's fucking tough and I wasn't ready for it.

990
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 4: They'll never say that. It's always it's a personality clash

991
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: with one of us, or that's right. There's always an excuse,

992
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 4: and we always listen. We don't want fucking excuses. We've

993
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 4: heard them all.

994
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: Oh, we know, we've watched the show.

995
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, if there's one thing y'all hate, it's an excuse.

996
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just because there is no there is no excuse,

997
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 5: you know what. We put them under duress and they're

998
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 5: they're little burgins. They're rucks thirty five to forty pounds.

999
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 5: Our combat kit meaning slick, like we feel like Ballerina's

1000
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 5: out there running a gun in is like eighty pounds

1001
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 5: body armor, ammunition, batteries, grenades, weapon, sometimes a second weapon,

1002
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 5: sometimes a third weapon.

1003
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 6: Water, And that's slick.

1004
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 5: And then we rock up with one hundred and fifty

1005
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 5: pounds on our back of batteries, water, explosives, ammunition, and

1006
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 5: we've got to patrol when there's enemy out there looking

1007
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 5: to kill us.

1008
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 6: So we know what.

1009
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 5: The body in the mind is capable of, right, and

1010
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 5: so that's why there's no any you don't get sympathy

1011
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 5: from us. We know what you can do. Holy smokes.

1012
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 5: We didn't know how long our selection would be, Like

1013
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 5: it feels like it's going to go on forever because

1014
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 5: sometimes you're making it just hour by hour.

1015
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 6: And we know that.

1016
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 5: These these recruits only got two weeks at the most

1017
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 5: with us. Anybody can get through two weeks of hardness anybody.

1018
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 6: But to be fair, if you switch it on, I

1019
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 6: don't doubt because we.

1020
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 4: Do what we do, that's what we want to do.

1021
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 4: We chose that life. We you know, we were tried

1022
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: and tested and and sort of conditioned to do what

1023
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 4: we do. That's that's our life, you know, to us,

1024
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 4: the second nature. What's a big deal for these people

1025
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 4: to step into our ring. It's a fucking big deal.

1026
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 5: We do a lot of respect for that because they

1027
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 5: are civilians coming into our brutal world.

1028
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 4: But but it's you know, whenever someone that's a fairly

1029
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 4: easy life and fucking happy to say that when if

1030
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 4: if they can find one way out, easy way, they'll

1031
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 4: take it. And that's that's what we were there to

1032
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 4: stop that easy option ain't fucking there. You will be

1033
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 4: here to the end, or you let it's too fucking

1034
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 4: armfy and in your own band, and that's hard for

1035
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 4: them to take that out.

1036
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: And once they hand in the armband, that's like I'm done,

1037
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 2: I'm out of here.

1038
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 5: Everyone is exposed there everyone, And that's our job is

1039
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 5: to expose you.

1040
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 6: And it's because we want the best of you.

1041
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 5: You cannot grow until you're stripped down to your honest,

1042
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 5: authentic self.

1043
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 6: And that's what we do.

1044
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 5: And we're giving them an opportunity, really and we love

1045
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 5: when they take it and they run with it.

1046
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 6: We love it.

1047
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, And whether they leave on day one or day ten.

1048
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 4: Everybody leaves a better version of this I can imagine,

1049
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 4: you know. So it's not it's not a win lose competition.

1050
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 4: It's about you becoming a better version of you. And

1051
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 4: now whether that takes one ten part it doesn't matter.

1052
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 4: You know, we'd like everybody to get to the.

1053
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: End, right.

1054
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 5: But Kyla Pratt, she was on the chopping block in

1055
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 5: the first seven hours of the first day. I will

1056
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 5: tell you what, that little freaking pocket rocket. It just

1057
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 5: does not hot no how to give up. It's like

1058
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 5: day seven or eight and she's still there.

1059
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: You know what I love about her?

1060
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 6: I love we love her.

1061
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: I grew up watching Kyla Pratt, Like I watched she

1062
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: was a voice of Proud Family. Like the moment she

1063
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: was on, I was like, wow, how nostalgic, Like I

1064
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: just remember loving her.

1065
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: She's so funny.

1066
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: But I loved what she said, she said, I'm doing

1067
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: this because I think it was when she did the

1068
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: in her you guys call it a mirror room, the

1069
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: mirror room when she said her whole life, you know,

1070
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: she's been a child actor and everyone has made decisions

1071
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: for her. I never had to say yeah, And I

1072
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 2: was like Damn, I cannot even imagine. Like that's when

1073
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: I realized, Okay, this show is is well beyond what

1074
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: you're capable of physically, but what you've been through in

1075
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: your past and the little moments that really shaped who

1076
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: you are that you want to shake the fuck off.

1077
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: And like you said, Billy, it's history.

1078
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: We got to let it go. We have to be

1079
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: in the now.

1080
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: In all three seasons, has surprised you the most in

1081
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: the sense of I didn't expect you to get this far?

1082
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: And who's the one that surprised you? Damn, I thought

1083
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 2: you'd get further.

1084
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 6: I'm with Billy on this.

1085
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 4: There's a few for different reasons, and not all got

1086
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 4: to the end. But I mean, Anna Brown was we

1087
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 4: ever think called in the Special Forces? Try to be

1088
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: the gray Man, mat gray man, gray one. What that

1089
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 4: means is don't be seen, you know, at the front,

1090
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 4: don't be seen at the back, stay in the middle,

1091
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 4: just float along. She was the ultimate gray Man because

1092
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 4: by about Dave threoever was looking and where the fuck

1093
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 4: did she come from? I don't remember seeing her. She

1094
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 4: was the classic.

1095
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 6: We didn't even know she was there until day three.

1096
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 4: She was kind of bimbled along and then all of

1097
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: a sudden she started to rise but great gain confidence,

1098
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 4: and she was kicking ass by the end of it,

1099
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 4: really fucking good. But high Claster as the drunk on

1100
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 4: the Titanic. So the Titanic's fucking sinking. Everybody's running for

1101
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 4: the lifeboat and panicking. She's crashed around. We have a

1102
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 4: fucking eder bros. Wondering why the boss closed. That was

1103
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 4: on the broad and I'm like fuck. Then all of

1104
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 4: a sudden she was like, bang, she's on it. She's

1105
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 4: you know, smashing away, and ohh she was. So she

1106
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 4: was one of those surprises.

1107
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, who were you shocked? Didn't go for it?

1108
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: Like you didn't think they'd give up so soon, or

1109
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: you thought that they would be capable of more.

1110
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 5: Do you feel comfortable only because he let his anger

1111
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 5: get a hold of him.

1112
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 6: We were right there.

1113
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 5: I was running this dang thing, and Billy and I,

1114
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 5: I mean, we're very good teammates. I mean we're always

1115
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 5: backing each other up because remember there's only four of

1116
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 5: us and we're running, especially in the early days of

1117
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 5: each season, it's twelve to fifteen recruits. It's a lot

1118
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 5: going on, and and we were doing app sail Or

1119
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 5: Aussie repelled down this massive bridge and it's scary and

1120
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 5: it's stressful, what have you? And there's water below. Daz

1121
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 5: started acting out on my stunt safe.

1122
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 6: These who are.

1123
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 5: Royal Marines and British Army, our brothers that helped set

1124
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 5: up systems and rigs, our brothers on this thing, started

1125
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 5: acting out. And he's a big, strong unit and he

1126
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 5: pushed one of the camera people off there at the

1127
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 5: bottom because he was in pain.

1128
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 6: You don't think we've been in pain before? You up?

1129
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 5: How about when we've been in the just in the

1130
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 5: shoot house when the freaking hot brass goes right in

1131
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 5: here and.

1132
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 6: The brass is burning freaking blisters through you. Does that

1133
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 6: mean that you take your head out of your rifle you,

1134
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 6: or that you don't dig your corner? No, we go man.

1135
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 5: We've been through a lot, man, and we know this

1136
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 5: is just a passage and time. But he endangered some

1137
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 5: of my crew with no hesitation.

1138
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 6: I said, you know you you're not in control. We're

1139
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 6: in control. And then I said throw him in the

1140
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 6: fucking water.

1141
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 5: Also, because I was thinking of safety, I did not

1142
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 5: want him to hit or hurt anybody, and we've got

1143
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 5: a safety boat out there, and I'm we're all rescue swimmers.

1144
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 6: We can always rescue him, throw him in the water.

1145
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 6: And then he's then he's f ash and harder. There's

1146
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 6: fuck you, And then Billy smiles at me. Billy's like, mate,

1147
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 6: are you ready?

1148
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm fucking ready, I guess, and mate,

1149
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 5: he gets because it's going down, but he's like and

1150
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 5: so Billy goes.

1151
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: Billy likes when things like that happen, and you get

1152
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: that exactly smile on your face.

1153
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: I just can pictures.

1154
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 6: So you know what, I took off my fucking top,

1155
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 6: little raidcat.

1156
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 4: You know what.

1157
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 6: I'm like, all right here, I'm a fucking here, I'm

1158
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 6: ready to go. I'm a fighter, you know.

1159
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 5: But Billy smartly moved to the flank because if it's

1160
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 5: going down, he's gonna hit him from the flank too.

1161
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 6: No, it's really fucking going down. And he takes fucking out.

1162
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 5: No, he comes walking over to me right and I

1163
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 5: think it here, it is here, it is. And I'm like,

1164
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 5: all right, all right, and Billy's right over here on

1165
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 5: the flank, over the side, and then Das gets right

1166
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 5: up to me and then he grabs his helmet and

1167
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 5: throws it down and walks off, and we both have

1168
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 5: to were.

1169
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 2: Like kicked in towards that end where he was like,

1170
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna throw my home.

1171
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 6: Yes, and we love the guy. He regretted it the

1172
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 6: moment it happened. No, we love the guy, but it

1173
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 6: just goes to show the shows.

1174
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 4: It's no, there's no retakes. You've had your fucking moment,

1175
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 4: and unfortunately blew it. And it was a shame because

1176
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 4: he is a real nice won difference.

1177
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: It's also very sexy.

1178
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: But that's how it it exposes.

1179
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 5: And he says he needs to work on his anger,

1180
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 5: and that he's even in therapy working on anger, and

1181
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 5: that he's had issues even professionally with it and at home.

1182
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: Could he could he get another shot on the show,

1183
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: maybe round Tail.

1184
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 6: I'd love to have him back.

1185
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: And I petition that right now on this show.

1186
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 2: You guys got to bring him back season four. Yeah,

1187
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 2: let's see if he got control of it. Yeah, I mean,

1188
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: I think if he's if his biggest thing was anger,

1189
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 2: let's you know, throw him back on see if he

1190
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 2: got any control of it. That would be very interesting. Yes,

1191
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: but I you know again all I do is podcast.

1192
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: We'll let the professionals handle it.

1193
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 4: The program follows the ethos of the proper Special Forces.

1194
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 4: You know. That's why you'll see a one tone of

1195
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 4: the film in the desert next all move in the

1196
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 4: jungle would be it's exactly like the Special Forces is.

1197
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 4: And so to that degree you talked about there when

1198
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 4: I says selection, you allowed to two chances. So if

1199
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 4: you failed, we go away for a period of time

1200
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 4: and you then come back. But that's it. You'll only

1201
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 4: get two chances.

1202
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: Okay, So the three strikes here are no.

1203
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 5: And in our selection, how many of ours A lot

1204
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 5: of our bros get hurt. How many of our bros

1205
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 5: during selection get freaking really hurt, break their legs, break

1206
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 5: their own whatever, God, but you know what, they always

1207
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 5: want to come back.

1208
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 6: So we understand that.

1209
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 5: And people do get hurt a lot in courses and

1210
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 5: in selection and in courses because the nature of the

1211
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 5: work that we do is dangerous. And then sometimes some

1212
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 5: cats make it to the end. But the instructors, the

1213
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 5: ds say they're just not quite either mature enough or

1214
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 5: maybe a little too aggressive and not systematic and pragmatic enough.

1215
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 5: Because we work in very small teams. We may be

1216
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 5: hidden in a van for a direct action mission or

1217
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 5: doing a sniper mission, and I'm pissing on top of

1218
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 5: my freaking spotter and he's pissing on me for three

1219
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 5: or four days and it's freezing cold, and nobody can

1220
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 5: get mad, and nobody can get mad. We can't get mad, right,

1221
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 5: you're fighting an enemy. We can't get mad about things

1222
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 5: like that. So sometimes people make it to the end

1223
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 5: and then they say you're not exactly.

1224
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 6: What we want.

1225
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 5: But then they come back again, Wow, I mean it's

1226
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 5: only you know, two shots, And some people after the

1227
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 5: first time they say, I don't think this is for me.

1228
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I.

1229
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: Mean it is intense.

1230
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: And as we talk, I keep thinking, I'm like, do

1231
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: I fucking like put it out there that I want

1232
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: to do this show just to test myself.

1233
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I need to sleep on it.

1234
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: Guys, before we sign off, I want to know, if

1235
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: you could pick anybody to be on season four, who

1236
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 2: would you like to see?

1237
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 4: Gordon Ramsey.

1238
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 6: Oh my god, that is a great one, great one.

1239
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 5: There's word on the street, this wonderful man with a

1240
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 5: great attitude.

1241
00:58:58,840 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 6: He's very successful.

1242
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 5: He's a football player, Okay, tom Brady wants to come.

1243
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 4: Oh he does.

1244
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 5: Tom Brady wants to come. I think it'd be fantas.

1245
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 5: Of course, the ratings will be through the roof. We're

1246
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 5: gonna do ten seasons dog after.

1247
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: That, but that he would be speculata.

1248
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 5: Well, I know, he just want to test himself and

1249
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 5: he's a team player and he will be challenged. Nobody

1250
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 5: handles cold water very well. Nobody handles skins.

1251
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: He played like his mental toughness is what would get

1252
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: and his care for team.

1253
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it would be wonderful.

1254
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 4: But that would be interested to see if it is.

1255
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 4: Because has he really been tested at that level.

1256
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 6: We don't know.

1257
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: I doubt know because I immediately go to, okay, well,

1258
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: if you throw him in really cold waters, I mean

1259
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: he played in uh New England, that.

1260
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: Place is pretty freezy. But again they're like that's nothing.

1261
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, like submerging or just like getting hit with snow.

1262
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 4: You know.

1263
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: Gordon Ramsey would be iconic, and then having Tom Brady

1264
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: would be.

1265
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 6: Maybe Mike Tyson as well, that would be Tyson.

1266
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, oh my god.

1267
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 6: I want to lay him for his heart, for his soul.

1268
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially going out the way he went out with

1269
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: that Paul brother he.

1270
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: Finished, that's all that matters.

1271
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 7: Well, no, that's what I was gonna say. I think

1272
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 7: one of the Paul brothers would be interesting on this

1273
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 7: show to the ego guys.

1274
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then maybe both of them.

1275
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then Billy. I would love to see you

1276
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 7: and Gordon Ramsey face off man after watching you with

1277
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 7: Steven Baldwin and just saying who's your brother? Oh you're

1278
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 7: you're you're brosn actor. Oh yeah, Alex Balden, Oh he's

1279
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 7: mid just shoves him right on the I would love

1280
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 7: to see you do that to one of the Paul brothers. Oh,

1281
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 7: Tom Brady, He've won seven or eight Super Bowls, Get the.

1282
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 4: Fuck off my phone.

1283
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: That so good.

1284
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 7: That would that's the reaction. I want to see Tom

1285
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 7: Brady under just him getting criticized, shoved little, and see

1286
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 7: how he responds.

1287
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 2: I feel like he would take it like a champ.

1288
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 2: I feel like he would be humbled, but.

1289
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 6: I don't really, I don't know.

1290
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 4: I think I would.

1291
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 3: Find get him on the show because I think you

1292
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 3: would break him mentally.

1293
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 4: Everybody would expect him to do so well, and when

1294
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 4: he finds you fucking cold, wet and tough.

1295
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: It might be oh fuck, I think you force him

1296
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: to ship in a hole.

1297
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 6: Or you know how many times? How many times Billy

1298
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 6: have our recruits like.

1299
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 5: Hemmed and hawed and pitched the biggest freaking fit and

1300
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 5: try to get contact agents about the food for their

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01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 5: special dietary needs. Holy shit, you know, I slaughtered goats

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Speaker 5: when we were fighting in Iraq because we were so

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Speaker 5: far ahead of everything. There was no food, so we

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Speaker 5: had to freaking kill and goats taste like shit.

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Speaker 6: You got to eat them, but you're hungry.

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Speaker 1: What is this like?

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Speaker 2: Are we talking you like sushi style goat or would

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Speaker 2: you make a fire?

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Speaker 6: We'd make a fire.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, I mean if Iraqi goats are not

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Speaker 5: exactly known as cuisine for you know, it didn't matter.

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Speaker 6: We have to go out to eat.

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Speaker 5: But these recruits, and they come from good backgrounds and

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Speaker 5: and maybe some wealth.

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Speaker 6: They're used to they're just used to.

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Speaker 5: Have much more polished, much more I don't know, manicured.

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Speaker 5: You nothing manicured about what we do.

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Speaker 2: Not at all, not in any sense of the word.

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Speaker 2: I had the bust.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm really really grateful that you guys made time to

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Speaker 2: come out and talk with us on the Give Them

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Speaker 2: Lalla podcast. Special Forces World's Toughest Test Season three is

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Speaker 2: airing right now. It's on Fox Wednesday nights at eight pm.

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Speaker 2: The season finale is going.

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Speaker 1: To air on February fifth.

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Speaker 2: I watch on Hulu as well, so just know that

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Speaker 2: that is an option, dude.

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Speaker 1: I feel inspired as fuck today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys, and thank you guys for listening to

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Speaker 2: another episode of the Give Them Lala Podcast.

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Speaker 1: We will catch you next week. Byye