Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the
Speaker 1: Studio on iHeart Radio. My name is Jordan Runtog, but
Speaker 1: enough about me. It's difficult not to get hyperbolic when
Speaker 1: discussing my guest today. He first exploded onto the world
Speaker 1: stage with a star making set at a little gig
Speaker 1: called Woodstock in nineteen nine. In the half century since,
Speaker 1: he's redefined the electric guitar with a mix of virtuosity
Speaker 1: and spirituality. Songs like Evil Ways, Oi, Come of a Soul,
Speaker 1: Sacrifice and Europa melded Latin melodies, jazz sensibilities and rock
Speaker 1: soul in the way that no one had before, and
Speaker 1: for my money, no one has since. Has A collective
Speaker 1: career got a boost at the turn of the millennium
Speaker 1: was Supernatural and Shaman, back to back albums that pairt
Speaker 1: him with a diverse blend of contemporary artists. Now he's
Speaker 1: back with a new album that's equally packed with friends.
Speaker 1: On Blessings and Miracles, he joins forces with icons like
Speaker 1: Steve Winwood, Kirk Hammond, and Metallica jazz great Chick corea
Speaker 1: legendary songwriter Diane Warren, as well as fresh faces like
Speaker 1: Ali Brook, g Easy and Chris Stapleton. Among the many
Speaker 1: standout tracks is Move, the album's lead single, which season
Speaker 1: pair with Rob Thomas for the first time on record
Speaker 1: since the ubiquitous and immortal smash Smooth. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: to welcome the great Carlos Santana. I hope you enjoy
Speaker 1: our conversation. Oh my goodness, I have so many things
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about, but first off,
Speaker 1: I gotta kick off with Blessings and Miracles. I am
Speaker 1: such a huge fan. It is such an amazing album.
Speaker 1: Philip was such a cool, diverse group of artists. I
Speaker 1: mean from G Eazy to Chris Stapleton to your old
Speaker 1: friend Rob Thomas. I just wanted to start. How did
Speaker 1: this begin for you? It began? Uh, let's see, probably
Speaker 1: when I did forty nine songs in ten days, Rick Ruben,
Speaker 1: and they were all African songs, and a lot of
Speaker 1: them we did. They went on the album called Africa
Speaker 1: Speaks with Weaka. But then some of them they went
Speaker 1: a limbo and I grabbed three of those, which is
Speaker 1: like America for Sale, uh, Peace, Power and Mother Yes,
Speaker 1: and I put him in here. So but we morphed them.
Speaker 1: You know, we like everything like a tree that keeps expanding,
Speaker 1: you know. I submitted a request to God, the Sweet Baby, Jesus,
Speaker 1: the universe, whatever you want to call it, but call it,
Speaker 1: you know. And so it's a bit of request. I said.
Speaker 1: You know, when we did Africa Speaks, I knew there
Speaker 1: was not a single within ten thousand miles, you know,
Speaker 1: but it was okay. And so I said, well, now
Speaker 1: I want to do something different. I wanted something more
Speaker 1: like what we did supernatural. So I asked, I requested
Speaker 1: in the office I think tank within people who worked
Speaker 1: with me, give me the names of those sisters and
Speaker 1: brothers who have their fings finger and the polls they
Speaker 1: can get in the radio. And they said, oh, they
Speaker 1: mentioned you know some here. They're about twelve of the
Speaker 1: one of them was Chris Stapleton. And I said, oh,
Speaker 1: and they go, but he plays you know, country music.
Speaker 1: I says, it's okay, you know, I can learn how
Speaker 1: to play country music. Uh. So, I says, why don't
Speaker 1: we call his manager and ask him if he would
Speaker 1: be so gritious to ask Chris if he would have
Speaker 1: eyes to write a song for us or with us,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's how we started. You can put
Speaker 1: it all this in a package. That divine intelligence was
Speaker 1: orchestrating all of this to happen. Now, the artists I
Speaker 1: have yet to meet in person or shakings in person,
Speaker 1: because we're living in this era now of you know,
Speaker 1: when I started, it was records and then there was
Speaker 1: like eight tracks and casseettes and see these that and
Speaker 1: now we zoom, you know, and we stream. And so
Speaker 1: because of zoom and streaming, where we're able to be
Speaker 1: in London or Kawai or Los Angeles or Sandra Fel
Speaker 1: and do it all and you close your eyes and
Speaker 1: we're you're right there anyway with them, you know when
Speaker 1: you play. That wasn't tough for you not to have
Speaker 1: to have that in person, you know, feeding off each
Speaker 1: other's energy. That wasn't an issue. No, No, because I
Speaker 1: was born with a really highly developed intense imagination, so
Speaker 1: I can imagine them right next to me. I just
Speaker 1: closed my eyes and I did. I hear the music,
Speaker 1: and I know where where to play and where you
Speaker 1: know how much how much passion, intensity and fire to
Speaker 1: put on each note. There was a interview you gave
Speaker 1: recently where you were saying, you're talking about how all
Speaker 1: of your playing, and all of your solo starts with
Speaker 1: your breath, and you're breathing. I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: more about that because that that's so fascinating to me. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, I think if there was, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they do this already at juillior school or any
Speaker 1: school of music. The first lesson should be how to
Speaker 1: breathe correctly? You know, how how to be conscious of
Speaker 1: your next breath, because that's where you find your identity,
Speaker 1: your your uniqueness, your authenticity, and your fingerprints. You know
Speaker 1: it sound wise, h A lot of people sound like
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Very few people sound like themselves,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's because they don't know how to
Speaker 1: breathe correctly? How did you discover this? Who did you have?
Speaker 1: Somebody in part this to you or just from years
Speaker 1: of doing it? My father and my mother taught me
Speaker 1: how to uh feel it, how do how to how
Speaker 1: to own it, how to be present and lucid and
Speaker 1: in the first note in this moment in time, you know,
Speaker 1: I would I would say you know first as God
Speaker 1: always that you know as well. My my mother and father,
Speaker 1: My father and mother, they were supreme instrumental and teaching
Speaker 1: me how to have conviction and charisma and deep awareness
Speaker 1: of confidence. Speaking of music being a family affair, I
Speaker 1: know you have some family on this record. You have
Speaker 1: your your partner Cindy, and your children Stell and Salvador
Speaker 1: both on it as well. Uh. It must be so
Speaker 1: fulfilling to have that kind of bond with with your children.
Speaker 1: I mean, how did they wind up on on this record? Again?
Speaker 1: Devine intelligence, you know, sets up this. I heard his
Speaker 1: song kind of floating up in the ether, you know,
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, this is the second time I
Speaker 1: heard that kind of sort of I'm gonna share Salmon
Speaker 1: and see if I see who that is, you know,
Speaker 1: so I should Salmon in my son's face appears and
Speaker 1: I go, whoa, whoa, and I go, so I call, hey, Salvador,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I found out that this is
Speaker 1: your song. I can't stop playing it for the last
Speaker 1: two days. I wonder if it's okay, if I can
Speaker 1: put my guitar in the rest of the band in
Speaker 1: there and put it on my album. And then I swear,
Speaker 1: I hear the silence allomside, I hear your kidding. I'm
Speaker 1: not kidding, man, Please you know again, Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: that's that we talked about it. You know the same
Speaker 1: thing with my daughter. You know, she's she sent me
Speaker 1: this song. Uh, and and I couldn't stop playing it.
Speaker 1: It just sounded like I've been to Europe since nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy and it's sounded like I was in Switzerland or
Speaker 1: somewhere in Europe six o'clock in the morning, walking the streets,
Speaker 1: and it's just so hunting. So again, I said, sweet,
Speaker 1: I can't stop playing your song. Over and over. I
Speaker 1: looked it, and I want to know if it's all
Speaker 1: right for me to put my guitar in it and
Speaker 1: put it on my album again, deep deep silence, and
Speaker 1: then I here, are you kidding? I'm like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not kidding. I wouldn't kids like that. So you know
Speaker 1: that's how it happened. Uh. There's defund intelligence who orchestrates
Speaker 1: for all of this components, including uh personal family, to
Speaker 1: present themselves in such a way that it's like a
Speaker 1: divine buffet and just have fun gorging you so we
Speaker 1: delight delightfulness. That must be so cool just to be
Speaker 1: able to as a parent, to have the music of
Speaker 1: your child be able to move you in that way.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a parent, and I've never written
Speaker 1: a song in my life, but I just imagine that
Speaker 1: was gosbe such a fulfilling thing to know that that
Speaker 1: that lives on. You've passed that on, You've given that
Speaker 1: that gift to them, and they're paying it back to you,
Speaker 1: and now you're all paying it back to all of us,
Speaker 1: all of us fans listening. Yes, we decided a long
Speaker 1: time ago by recognition that for us, it's not a job,
Speaker 1: a gift, or a profession. It's a way of life,
Speaker 1: you know, from my father took his father's father, you know,
Speaker 1: the same thing with my son, you know, So we
Speaker 1: honor that it's a way of life to kind of
Speaker 1: like a someone who sells faucets, but the water is
Speaker 1: the same. People are thirsty, yeah, just you know, every
Speaker 1: album is different, fast fast facets, you know. But but
Speaker 1: what's got to be pure. It's gotta be good for you,
Speaker 1: fresh and pure. And that's how I see music like
Speaker 1: pretty much like Bruce Lee said, become water. Where is
Speaker 1: the best thing that that someone who hears a song
Speaker 1: of yours can say to you, to to to thank you.
Speaker 1: What what's the best way, What's what's something that somebody
Speaker 1: can say to you that makes it all worthwhile. What
Speaker 1: what you know, their their gratitude, their appreciation. Is there
Speaker 1: one response that you're looking for when you play a
Speaker 1: song for someone, when people say your music touched me
Speaker 1: in the place I've never even touched before. I was
Speaker 1: contemplating with intensity to commit suicide, and the melody of
Speaker 1: your ropo or some ampatit took me into a place
Speaker 1: outside my mystery, and I was able to I was
Speaker 1: able to smile and cry at the same time. And
Speaker 1: I knew that I was meaningful and magnificent, and I
Speaker 1: was worthy of my own grace and my own life.
Speaker 1: And I can, and I too can participate in life
Speaker 1: as a triumph, victory glory, not as a victim. So
Speaker 1: they stopped, they stopped thinking like victims. It's really what
Speaker 1: it is, you know. So the music music pulls people
Speaker 1: out out of there a mental arrangement that you're not
Speaker 1: happy and as you're miserable. That's the best thing that
Speaker 1: people ever said to me, that music. And I hear
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, especially nowadays, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people commuting suit with commutings with specially youngsters, you know,
Speaker 1: So this music, especially this song with Ali Brook. If
Speaker 1: you listened to the lyrics, that's exactly what about This
Speaker 1: is a poster song for anti anti suicide. You know,
Speaker 1: if you get to the other side of the suicide,
Speaker 1: you will see that you are in our change and
Speaker 1: you can create uh, miracles and blessings at a whole
Speaker 1: lot of level beyond your mind's comprehension. What is it
Speaker 1: about music that makes it such an effective medium for
Speaker 1: transmitting energy, positivity, and strength and emotion. Sound residence, vibration
Speaker 1: assaults all your senses and transmogrifies molecular structure. It gives
Speaker 1: you chills, your hair stands up, tears start coming out,
Speaker 1: and you start dancing and you don't even know why,
Speaker 1: you know, and so music is kind of like the
Speaker 1: left and right hand of God, sculpturing you to remember
Speaker 1: who you really really are, not what indoctrination or world
Speaker 1: programmation is, but actually being liberated from all that and
Speaker 1: for you to remember and claim you are light, spirit,
Speaker 1: and soul, those elements that are in you, and you
Speaker 1: are indestructible and immutable. You know, that's why music is
Speaker 1: so powerful, because it reminds you I was making a
Speaker 1: joke about Beethoven, you know, get out of your way,
Speaker 1: let God do it through you. You know that, you
Speaker 1: know that's that's reutely what it is. But you know,
Speaker 1: like what you know, there's something about the inner voice
Speaker 1: when with Claria tells you or invites you, uh to
Speaker 1: stop investing emotionally on stupid stuff that is very limited,
Speaker 1: you know, and and uh accept your totality, your absoluteness
Speaker 1: and in shine and sore. Yeah, that's been a lot
Speaker 1: hard for a lot of people to do in the
Speaker 1: last eighteen months, just with everything going on in the world.
Speaker 1: How have you been able to sort of stay ground
Speaker 1: and keep an equilibrium throughout the last year and a half. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like passing through a movie theater and not going
Speaker 1: in it and not watching that movie pretty much. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: You know, it's my choice. I mean, you can turn
Speaker 1: off the TV and only watch basketball and only watch
Speaker 1: you know, excellence, brilliance. You know, read books that remind
Speaker 1: you of you know, uh, divine modum op a random
Speaker 1: code of conduct, you know, and so you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's very trying to true test that the things that
Speaker 1: you can do to not invest emotionally and stupid stuff
Speaker 1: is gonna hurt you and delay you'r date with date
Speaker 1: with divine destiny every day. You know, I read that
Speaker 1: you've been reading Joseph Murphy, the New Thought Minister has
Speaker 1: written positive thinking books like Positive Mental Attitude. Who else
Speaker 1: have you been reading lately? In uh? In Lockdown, it's
Speaker 1: always Course of Miracles, the Auranta. You know. I take
Speaker 1: certain things, certain passages from the Bible that are not
Speaker 1: laced with Godzilla. You know, if there's Godzilla, then you
Speaker 1: can keep that, you know, my Goddess light, love, compassion
Speaker 1: and anything that anything that's promoting selling fear, that's Godzilla.
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't, you know, I respected, but
Speaker 1: I leave it alone because it's not it's not for me. Uh. Well,
Speaker 1: I love when Jesus says, uh, God made you in
Speaker 1: its own image. Uh. And so if you make the effort,
Speaker 1: you know, I love this. Someone said that if you
Speaker 1: takes one step, God takes nine to meet you in
Speaker 1: the middle. I like that. I like that a lot.
Speaker 1: I've never heard that. That's that's what's happening. If people
Speaker 1: would only knew that, they wouldn't suicide as much, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't yield to hurtful things, you know. Uh, And so
Speaker 1: that's what I'm here, man, I'm here to promote blessings
Speaker 1: and miracles from the point of elevating people to recognize
Speaker 1: the value of their own gift, which is uh, light
Speaker 1: and love and the blessings and miracles are within all
Speaker 1: of us. Yeah, exactly. No, I that that title really
Speaker 1: resonated with me. I wanted to ask you more about
Speaker 1: how you landed on that, because it does it that
Speaker 1: that sense really abused the record what you just said.
Speaker 1: I mean, it really sort of kind of shines a
Speaker 1: light on all of us to remind us that, you know,
Speaker 1: we are divine and that we are able to have
Speaker 1: control over our own happiness in our own you know,
Speaker 1: on a day to day basis. But I do want
Speaker 1: to ask you more about where that that those words
Speaker 1: came from for you. Thank you for saying that. I
Speaker 1: say as much as possible that heaven and happiness are
Speaker 1: not at destination or a condition. It's a conscious choice daily,
Speaker 1: you know. So you and the old thing people used
Speaker 1: to say, everybody wants to go to heaven, nobody wants
Speaker 1: to die, you know, at least say that, and we say,
Speaker 1: now I am mora alized than ever and I'm in
Speaker 1: heaven and I'm hired in an instruments. But how about that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you're when you're playing, when you're when you're making
Speaker 1: your music, and when you're sharing your gifts, what do
Speaker 1: you need to do anything special to get to that space?
Speaker 1: Is there are there any kind of practices that you do?
Speaker 1: Are there any kind of almost hesitate to call them superstitions,
Speaker 1: But is there something that you need to do to
Speaker 1: get yourself to that mental space to be able to play?
Speaker 1: Or is is is it really just something that you
Speaker 1: can key in and out of. You're asking all the
Speaker 1: supreme questions. Everyone has a ritual. Every single human being
Speaker 1: has a ritual. Whether you're a housewife taking the kids
Speaker 1: to a soccer practice, or the pope or you know,
Speaker 1: or the basketball players. Everybody has a ritual. And so
Speaker 1: I was telling people, you know, why people need a
Speaker 1: ritual because it is a way to meet up WiFi,
Speaker 1: hook up to absoluteness and to titity, you know. And
Speaker 1: what you're asking about when you take a solo, and
Speaker 1: then after the solo, like what I did was silent pati.
Speaker 1: My headphones were like this, and you know they ended
Speaker 1: happened to my forehead in the background because I was
Speaker 1: moving around, but I didn't stop, and so I had
Speaker 1: because I was more conscious of not having the headphones
Speaker 1: fall off of me. I wasn't thinking about the song,
Speaker 1: and my fingers just did it, you know. So when
Speaker 1: I was when the song was fading out, everybody in
Speaker 1: the everybody in a studio with their mouth was opening.
Speaker 1: They were going, damn, did you hear what you did? Man?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what was it? Good? You know, because
Speaker 1: to enter the state of grace, you cannot remember it
Speaker 1: after you do it. If you do, probably not that good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so we invite people to learn like you learn scales,
Speaker 1: records and theory, and learn how to get in it,
Speaker 1: how to get into that state of grace. Uh they
Speaker 1: as they say nowadays, in an organic way. Never Dad,
Speaker 1: oh Man, you hear it again and again on this album.
Speaker 1: So many incredible tracks. I mean, I I loved your
Speaker 1: work with Kirk Hammond on America for Sale. That's that's
Speaker 1: such an amazing song. I heard this story. I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is true. Did he bring Greeny? Did
Speaker 1: he bring Pretty Green's guitar? Yeah? You know, Greeny Greeny,
Speaker 1: and you know, we go back to seventy when Peter
Speaker 1: Green used to come over and hang out with us,
Speaker 1: you know, and he let me touch it, you know
Speaker 1: once in a while and he let me excuse you,
Speaker 1: expression you let me smell it and touch it, you know.
Speaker 1: And I knew that that guitar was like Merlin's uh
Speaker 1: what do you call it? Caliber? Yeah, Sally exactly. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he brought it, let me let me play it again,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I miss Peter Green so much
Speaker 1: and Michael Bloomfield so much, and of course the one
Speaker 1: where we all got it from just be the King,
Speaker 1: you know, he said, uh, he's the one that created
Speaker 1: the template, you know, bb King and Auber King and
Speaker 1: Freddie King, you know old kings, you know. Uh So, anyway,
Speaker 1: being with Kirk and we were having fun because I
Speaker 1: said this to air Clapton one time when we did
Speaker 1: a Supernatural. I said, hey man, we're just gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a conversation, all right, We're not gonna do
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do dueling banjo's. And he started cracking
Speaker 1: apt douling banjos because I've never heard that before. Because
Speaker 1: you're right, We're not gonna do doling banjo fain. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have a conversation, you know. So it's the same
Speaker 1: thing with Kirk. And Kirk came out smoking man. He
Speaker 1: came out like a gun slander man. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, you know. So I had to square myself up,
Speaker 1: you know, uh and keep up with his youngster, you know,
Speaker 1: because the stuff that he was putting put putting down
Speaker 1: was very vibrant, very very uh, you know, very fiery.
Speaker 1: So we had a ball, you know, and especially you
Speaker 1: know Mark. Um. I said, well, listen, we're we're gonna
Speaker 1: call this other artist. I won't tell you who because
Speaker 1: I don't want to get any problem. But he couldn't
Speaker 1: do it, or he didn't want to do it or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I said, um, Kurt, do you know anybody who
Speaker 1: can sing this song? Because the one that we called
Speaker 1: he for some reason, he's not calling back. And he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got just the right guy. And he's a it's
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine. So with Marcus, a get up,
Speaker 1: and you know, I wanted something like because I love
Speaker 1: Metall like an ac DC, you know, I like that
Speaker 1: kind of energy, and let's separate you know, uh, you
Speaker 1: know I want that kind of yeah, you know that
Speaker 1: kind of you know. And and so so after Marcus
Speaker 1: to get us sing the first layer, you know, like
Speaker 1: America for sales, So I go, hey, man, can you
Speaker 1: sing it higher and more? Like mean like he goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: no problem, you know. And so when I hear it,
Speaker 1: I go like, man, we you know, I am so
Speaker 1: great that we found the singer who could do the
Speaker 1: two dimensional, the three dimensional thing and four dimensional thing
Speaker 1: um act with actives, you know, and believable because his
Speaker 1: his stuff is believable. Believable. You know. That's a bad.
Speaker 1: So we're not we're talking about doing another album, all
Speaker 1: three of us, you know, but we're about doing an
Speaker 1: album with Eric Clapton Derrek Trucks in the Mexican about
Speaker 1: UFOs and Western music kind of like Good Bad and
Speaker 1: the Ugly No No No singles, just instrumentals. I told
Speaker 1: us to Eric, and he says, I mean I want
Speaker 1: to do that, you know. So so we want to
Speaker 1: enter a place where his Aero Clapton Derrick Trucks in
Speaker 1: Santiana doing soundtrack soundtrack for spaghetti movies and UFOs. How
Speaker 1: have you started on that yet that sounds incredible. So
Speaker 1: you know I gotta no, I gotta submit the moths
Speaker 1: to them, you know, I just want to you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want tell anybody what to do or anything,
Speaker 1: but you know, you you you submit certain places, certain
Speaker 1: ponds that we can spawn. How do you do that
Speaker 1: when you're when you're um setting a mood for somebody
Speaker 1: for what you want? I mean, do you do? You
Speaker 1: send them words, you send them images, you send them
Speaker 1: other sounds or or some combination they're in. I send
Speaker 1: them a mood basically like an eight bar mood. You know,
Speaker 1: you look, you loop apart from something that you love.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of groups that I love,
Speaker 1: for Miles Davids or The Doors, you know, or Eddie Candricks,
Speaker 1: you know, from Marken Gay. You don't take the whole song.
Speaker 1: You just say certain eight bars and you say, okay,
Speaker 1: jump on top of this and make it north southeast
Speaker 1: and west and this eight bars. Man, you know, like
Speaker 1: what I meant to say this earlier, I loved what
Speaker 1: you did with Wider Shade of Pale. Compotally reinvented that song.
Speaker 1: I mean, you and Steve Win, what I mean, see
Speaker 1: Win was one of my favorite vocalists ever. I love
Speaker 1: what you did with that track. It's was such It's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite tracks on the album. It sounds
Speaker 1: so great. Thank you for saying that, you know it's
Speaker 1: it's really impressive to me that that I requested him. Uh, specifically,
Speaker 1: I said, Stevie, I hear you singing why do shade
Speaker 1: of Pale and Daniel Oregon? But when I want us
Speaker 1: to do it like African Cuban and Puerto Rican wahita
Speaker 1: really sexy, sexy, sexy, but do do do do sex?
Speaker 1: You know what? I And he was like, first he
Speaker 1: wouldn't look at me, just kept looking at Gary Clark.
Speaker 1: We were on stage hide Part front of ninety thousand
Speaker 1: people with Eric and you wouldn't look at me. And
Speaker 1: finally when he did here, he was like, Carlos, I
Speaker 1: hear it. Are here exactly what you're saying. Yes, So
Speaker 1: we call our brother and I are Michael World and
Speaker 1: and you helpe is make the bed. You know. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's a very sexy sexy song and making them really
Speaker 1: happy is amazing. I mean it totally reinvented it. It's
Speaker 1: like here and for the first time, it's so great Oh,
Speaker 1: I love what you did with that. I mean, so
Speaker 1: many amazing tracks on the album. I mean to you.
Speaker 1: I guess here's a broader, uh metaphysical question. Uh, do
Speaker 1: you find yourself making better music with people that you
Speaker 1: have a personal connection with or does that not really
Speaker 1: have anything to do with it? Can you just you
Speaker 1: can you bond bond musically even though you've never met
Speaker 1: them before, and it's just something that happens chemically in
Speaker 1: that in the moment when you have your instruments. You know,
Speaker 1: this this very important question because I am not wrestling
Speaker 1: with that, but I'm crystallizing it. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: knowing now that I'm entering without leaving the body, the
Speaker 1: fifth dimension and the way I pursue everything. Then so
Speaker 1: then I'm aware that we are really are we really are,
Speaker 1: we really are all one. However, I'm still having a
Speaker 1: difficulty sharing music with someone who's deepest spool and self absorbed, egotistical,
Speaker 1: and there's no room in the room for both of
Speaker 1: us or in this planet. So people like that, I
Speaker 1: can't I can't share because I can tell you know,
Speaker 1: if somebody, uh, if somebody is um not not feeling
Speaker 1: absoluteness he's just feeling me me me me me. It
Speaker 1: was like music. So see though music eagle me me
Speaker 1: me me me. I can't play with them, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Any anything like that, then I respect it,
Speaker 1: but I will not be in the room with that
Speaker 1: kind of frequency. Oh, I mean that makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense to me. What was it like being back
Speaker 1: with with Rob Thomas? I know you have a relationship
Speaker 1: that goes back quite a while. Is that like, you know,
Speaker 1: the old expression, just like riding the bike again? How
Speaker 1: that feel? We're writing something. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: a bike. Uh, but it's fun, you know. He uh,
Speaker 1: I got a call I was telling you listen, I'm supernatural.
Speaker 1: Smooth was the last song. I'm blessing in miracles. Move
Speaker 1: was the last song that was submitted. Again, you know,
Speaker 1: it just came out of the ether and Rob Thomas, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, American authors and I were writing the song
Speaker 1: together and and we pretty much completed and we won't
Speaker 1: know if you want to play guitar on it, I go, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful and honored. Thanks for keeping being in mind.
Speaker 1: Send it, let me check it out. So sure enough,
Speaker 1: here comes that seventh wave again, you know, and we
Speaker 1: both get to right. I love the metaphor of being
Speaker 1: a surface that rights the way past the beach, all
Speaker 1: the way to the lobby, all the way to the
Speaker 1: parking lot, you know, and it feels like we did
Speaker 1: it again, or something did it again through us. Oh. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean it's such an incredible track. Are you guys
Speaker 1: close outside of the studio. Do you guys talk a
Speaker 1: lot when uh, you know, when you're not working on
Speaker 1: music together. Yes, we we do, uh, Madissol and my
Speaker 1: wife send it. They're very close, and and and so
Speaker 1: Rob and I we constantly, um, you know it just
Speaker 1: exchange uh exchange ideas, ideals, and you know, we have
Speaker 1: fun uh discovering the things that uh uplifted and motivations
Speaker 1: and inspiring sis. Do you feel that being curious is
Speaker 1: a is a crucial part of being a musician. I
Speaker 1: feel like there's so much emphasis somewhere to put your
Speaker 1: hands on the instrument, and I feel like being curious
Speaker 1: isn't something that's that's discussed enough. Yes. What you what
Speaker 1: you call curious? I call it thirsty for adventure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thirst thirst thirst per adventure to dive into the unknown
Speaker 1: and unpredictability. With enthusiasm that keeps you young. Really really
Speaker 1: enthusiasm that word people should teach in schools, music, music schools,
Speaker 1: you know, or any school, any school, university, or institution.
Speaker 1: Without enthusiasm, you're just sucking up there, like my teacher
Speaker 1: used to say, you know, usually by space and sucking
Speaker 1: their man. So enthusiasm is something that we need, not
Speaker 1: only a church, but in the streets. Enthusiasm. Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a beautiful sentiment. I know this. This
Speaker 1: last year and a half, actually coming up on two
Speaker 1: years now, has been a really transformative time for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. Uh has it taught you anything new
Speaker 1: about yourself? The last year and a half of kind
Speaker 1: of being more? Still, I suppose it taught me that
Speaker 1: with discipline again in devotion, I can acquire balance, equilibrium,
Speaker 1: and confidence to a whole other level, will be beyond
Speaker 1: being seventy four years. So I don't have to walk
Speaker 1: like I'm seventy four years, So I don't have to
Speaker 1: think like I'm seventy four you so, and so what
Speaker 1: I learned is that I have within me light, spirit, soul.
Speaker 1: It is very very uh I abrant with divinity and
Speaker 1: I'm able to do the impossible. Uh, what's the impossible?
Speaker 1: You know? Jesus apparently, Lord Jesus um created alchemy, like
Speaker 1: from out to wine, you know, the greatest alchemy, and
Speaker 1: one of the most impossible things to do is to
Speaker 1: go from fear to joy, from miserable mystery to victory,
Speaker 1: you know. And so that's that's what I learned when
Speaker 1: when people were an incubation. I learned to master my
Speaker 1: thoughts to work for me, not for me to work
Speaker 1: for them. I got a lot, I've gotten a lot
Speaker 1: closer to my subconscious than my predictable monkey don't key,
Speaker 1: Uh monkey and donkey they're they're really very predictable and
Speaker 1: pathetic pretty pretty much, you know, because they they always
Speaker 1: get in trouble because they insist on, uh going towards
Speaker 1: a misery ditch and thinking like a victim. And I
Speaker 1: find that boring, you know. I want the saving year
Speaker 1: old child that is still uh accessing, retaining purity and innocence.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I think we're at a place
Speaker 1: where we want to just say that I'm very very
Speaker 1: grateful for you, you taking the time to invite me
Speaker 1: to be in your show, and we do invite people
Speaker 1: to how do they say, Maybe the heavens open up
Speaker 1: and the angels blessed each and everyone with the deep
Speaker 1: awareness of your own life. There it is the deep
Speaker 1: awareness of your own life. There, it is thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Sirrier inspiration to us all. It
Speaker 1: has been such a joy and honor speaking. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much, bless you. We hope you enjoyed this episode
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