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Speaker 1: Okay, well, good morning everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Renee Substance Podcast, joined by Kaitlyn Thompson Again, Caitlin,

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Speaker 2: We've got a lot to talk about, my friend a lot,

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Speaker 2: so let's get into it, Madrid.

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Speaker 3: We got to get right into it.

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Speaker 1: What a great week or what do we call it?

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Speaker 1: Ten days? Two weeks?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Do you like these two weeks?

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Speaker 3: Masters? You don't?

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Speaker 2: Do you?

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Speaker 1: No? No, no, I think we can get this done

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Speaker 1: in a week.

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Speaker 2: I understand that they need and want these ten days

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Speaker 2: because they have obviously a lot of matches to play,

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Speaker 2: But I feel like in some regards they might have

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Speaker 2: to cut the draw down.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how to fix it.

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Speaker 2: The back to backs are what are really tough for players,

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Speaker 2: and then if a player loses in the first round,

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Speaker 2: they have to wait like forever in a day just

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Speaker 2: to play another match.

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Speaker 1: It is. It is difficult.

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Speaker 2: Those that win it love it because they get a

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Speaker 2: little bit more, you know, rest in days in between.

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Speaker 2: You know that it's better for their bodies in some regard.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I find that even though we have lots of

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Speaker 4: amazing results to discuss, and we will get right into it.

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Speaker 3: The tournaments tend to drag the end of the second week.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like there's enough matches on you have

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Speaker 4: for your waiting around for you know, the matches to start.

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Speaker 4: I watched, obviously, three of the four finals this weekend,

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Speaker 4: women's doubles, women's singles, and men's singles. I'm excited to

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Speaker 4: talk about them all with you. I have no idea

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Speaker 4: who won in the men's doubles, and I'm happy to learn.

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Speaker 4: But then I ended up watching a lot of Challengers

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Speaker 4: I watched you Sue Bergs, Tabe Low play in I

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Speaker 4: SA on Provence. I watched a couple of random, you know,

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Speaker 4: tidbits from the Challenge of Tour. I just think we

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Speaker 4: need more tennis on TV, especially when it's the massive

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Speaker 4: tennis season again.

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Speaker 3: Another thing for the scheduling gods to figure out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that one of my friends

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Speaker 2: and our friends, Betty Morgan said to me yesterday, she said,

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Speaker 2: I watched the women's doubles final and there was nobody

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Speaker 2: in the crowd. And I said, well, I hate to

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Speaker 2: tell you this, but no one in Madrid is going

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Speaker 2: to watch tennis at noon.

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Speaker 1: It's just not happening.

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Speaker 2: I saw some of the best players in the world

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Speaker 2: first match and there's no one there.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's just the way it is. So it's another.

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Speaker 2: Reason to figure out the scheduling, because we shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: the best players in the world, whether it be singles

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Speaker 2: I saw Janick Sinner a player match. He might have

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Speaker 1: The crowd as well.

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Speaker 2: So it's just and you can't say that it's because

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Speaker 2: of him. It's Madrid. You've been to Madrid. You know

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Speaker 2: what Spanish people are like that I get out of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's frustrating to have incredible product and not very

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Speaker 4: many people watching it, which you know, is again a

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Speaker 4: persistent problem for the tours to figure out, which I

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Speaker 4: feel like they can. There's lots of more people who

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Speaker 4: and for whatever reason, getting great broadcast peer product and

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Speaker 4: getting great in person product doesn't feel like.

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Speaker 3: It should be that hard.

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Speaker 4: I also think the Madrid organization from what I've heard.

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Speaker 4: I haven't been to the Madrid Tournament, although obviously I've

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Speaker 4: the fact that it's owned and run by Endeavor, the

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Speaker 4: who they have buying these things and what their plan

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Speaker 4: match play works really well. You know, it's not necessarily

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Speaker 4: the tournament organizers who are in charge of this. It's

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Speaker 4: a lot of times to meet. That's the ownership.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I know that they make a lot of

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Speaker 2: a lot of money on Miami as well. So put

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Speaker 2: money over those ten days. So you know, there's been

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Speaker 2: a gripe over the last few years about players not

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Speaker 2: over a million dollars for the winner of this tournament.

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Speaker 2: But still, you know, ten days of work for a

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Speaker 2: just need people to understands that's also part of the equation.

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Speaker 2: When the top players in the world are playing seven

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Speaker 2: they're very deservative.

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Speaker 1: At least at least a million dollars. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So so anyway, let's get into We want to talk

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Speaker 2: about the women first because there's so much to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I said to you yesterday, Let's call

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Speaker 2: this episode the Hunger Games because they feel like the

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Speaker 2: women's tournament or any tournament these days, is like the

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Speaker 2: Hunger Games. We had so many upsets in this tournament,

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Speaker 2: I mean, new faces, new.

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Speaker 1: Women coming through Madrid.

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Speaker 2: Is a little bit interesting because it's slightly at altitude,

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Speaker 2: so it does bring in some interesting sort of possibilities

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Speaker 2: of people that hit the ball big on clay, winning matches,

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Speaker 1: That won didn't don't have huge serves.

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Speaker 2: But I go back to when Petro Kvitevo won the

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Speaker 2: a tier one on clay. Yeah, because it does lend

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Speaker 2: itself to big service, big hitterers. But some really great

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Speaker 2: storylines from Carolina Plishkova almost getting through to a semi

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Speaker 2: you know, knocking off Coco in just a dramatic three

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Speaker 2: set match, Sabaalanca going down to Hailey Baptiste, like it

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Speaker 1: Over for women.

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Speaker 3: I loved it.

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Speaker 4: I think obviously we got to talk about Haley Baptiste,

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Speaker 4: the match of the tournament. And what's going on with Coco,

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Speaker 4: turning up the you know, the dial. And as we

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Speaker 4: Which I don't know that that's the case. We can

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Speaker 4: like the women's tournament just offered so much drama, so

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Speaker 4: much electrifying tennis. Carolina Pluschco is great to see back

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Speaker 4: Obviously we'll talk about that a little bit, but first

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Speaker 4: maybe starting with that sabal Anka Hailey Baptiste match that

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Speaker 4: I think had everybody sort of either becoming a Haley

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Speaker 2: Well, for me, you know, we saw this emergence of Haley,

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Speaker 1: I think she's a.

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Speaker 2: Player that I've always truly thought was should be so

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Speaker 2: much better than she is. She has every shot in

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Speaker 2: And so for me, for the kids at home that

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Speaker 2: and she did it against Aberlenka, and then she came

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Speaker 1: I'm just so excited. She can play on every single surface.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to see your play on grass with the

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Speaker 1: She just has to learn to play the right shots

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Speaker 2: will say, give these players, no matter how good your

438
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Speaker 2: intentions are, give them a few minutes to have their

439
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Speaker 2: moment before you talk to them.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

441
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Speaker 4: Let's brat women by talking about a couple of things

442
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Speaker 4: very quickly, because we've got to keep it moving here.

443
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Speaker 4: Number one, let's just give kudos to Potapova, who is

444
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Speaker 4: now in Austrian Yes, playing qualities today in Rome, as

445
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 4: it were, on a great semi run that was incredibly impressive.

446
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 4: Any anything we want to say about.

447
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Speaker 2: Her, Yeah, I mean, this is a player that's sort

448
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 2: of like just coming into her own this year.

449
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 1: Hitting.

450
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,640
Speaker 2: She hits the ball really well, she has a little

451
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Speaker 2: bit of an emotional up and down, and we saw

452
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Speaker 2: that in the match against Bliskova, for example, she looked

453
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,400
Speaker 2: like she was going to tank in the third set.

454
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Speaker 1: She was ready to go home.

455
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 2: And then she sort of like won one particular point.

456
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Speaker 2: I think Carolina will rue that service game that she

457
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Speaker 2: lost in the third set when she was up a break,

458
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Speaker 2: because she was up forty fifteen in that game. But

459
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Speaker 2: pot to Pova, or as the WTA announcer was calling her, Potapova,

460
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 2: I was driving me crazy. I was like, the umpire

461
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Speaker 2: is literally saying Potapova, and it's on the wtair website Potapova, and.

462
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 1: She was calling a Patapova.

463
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Speaker 2: Anyway, that's a whole different argument of mine, and I

464
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Speaker 2: don't have time to get into. But I just think

465
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 2: she's really feisty, and so the good and the bad

466
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 2: can happen on the court with her, and the good

467
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 2: came out in the end because she was fired up

468
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Speaker 2: to win that match, and that was very impressive. And

469
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Speaker 2: she played a lot of tennis, as did Caroline Plushko

470
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Speaker 2: over that week, and somebody else who you know, came

471
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Speaker 2: to the four a little bit was also Nuskova beating

472
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Speaker 2: Coco was impressive because Coco should have won that match.

473
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Speaker 2: She was up four to one in the third and

474
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Speaker 2: may I just say on a roll. She won the

475
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Speaker 2: second set six to one, was up for one, I believe,

476
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Speaker 2: so basically was winning every.

477
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Speaker 1: Game, it felt like for a while there.

478
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Speaker 2: And then at four to one on her serve, Caitlin

479
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 2: like kind of dropped the ball a little bit, like

480
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 2: just making really not great decisions on her shot selection,

481
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 2: getting upset with herself. Unlike, this was what we talked

482
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Speaker 2: about last week. She's showing her opponents this negativity on

483
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Speaker 2: the court which comes out and you can't do that

484
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 2: against the os Kova because Nskova is going to hit

485
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Speaker 2: the ball through you. And that's the biggest worst opponent

486
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Speaker 2: for Coco, and that's what happened. And even in the

487
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Speaker 2: third set tiebreak, Coco was up in that tie break

488
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Speaker 2: and should have put the match away, and just some

489
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 2: poor decision making from her. And I do again, I

490
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Speaker 2: feel like the coaches have the opportunity to tell their

491
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Speaker 2: player something, whether it's just tactical to get them away

492
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Speaker 2: from the emotional side of it, and I just felt

493
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Speaker 2: like there was a lot of come on you've got

494
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Speaker 2: this come on, you know, even Haley Baptiste was told,

495
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Speaker 2: you've got this big heart, you know, all this sort

496
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Speaker 2: of stuff.

497
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Speaker 1: No, just tell her to play the forehand.

498
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Speaker 2: Like in certain circumsances, you've got to give the player,

499
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Speaker 2: you know, a tactic in those moments, Yes, tell them

500
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Speaker 2: to stay calm, but you've got to have a tactic.

501
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Speaker 2: And I think the Coco got a little bit lost.

502
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: The forehand wasn't firing well, the serve was just sitting

503
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Speaker 2: there for Moskova to go after. So there's a lot

504
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Speaker 2: of question marks of Coco going into clearly into Rome

505
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Speaker 2: and to veendo title in France because the confidence is

506
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: definitely not there. But Naskova another great young player Hunger

507
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Speaker 2: Games Madrid, I'm telling.

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Speaker 3: You, yeah.

509
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Speaker 4: I mean, the women, as they always do, are really

510
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 4: bringing it. I think probably for me, the less set

511
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Speaker 4: about the men the better.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, I don't.

513
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 2: Need to really talk about them, because what was interesting

514
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: about the tournament was pretty much nothing except that Janick

515
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Speaker 2: Sinner has won every Master's one thousand is uyear.

516
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: My only note of sadness was that my guy Arthur Fist,

518
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 4: who went from being you know, France's next hope and

519
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 4: somebody who we all were sort of hoping would be

520
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 4: in the challenger to the hegemony of Sinner and Alcaraz

521
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 4: sort of fell with a whimper there in the semifinals,

522
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Speaker 4: but I remain hopeful nothing. It's not me for rooting

523
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 4: for French parties, even their own, you know.

524
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Speaker 5: Tumultuous emotions.

525
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Speaker 4: One thing that I did think was really funny that

526
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Speaker 4: I touched on earlier is you know, Zverev's insistence that

527
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Speaker 4: he is part of this like elite group and when

528
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: asked about it, he would be like, well, I think

529
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 4: Sinner's ahead of everybody else, and you're like, bye, mile yeah,

530
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Speaker 4: uh huh, and then he'll be like and then me

531
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Speaker 4: and Carlos were hanging in there with Djokovic in that

532
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 4: second team, and it's like, wait, sorry, what.

533
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Speaker 1: This is his quote?

534
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: I think there's a big gap between Cinner and everyone else,

535
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Speaker 2: and I think there's a big gap between Alcaraz, myself,

536
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: maybe Novak, and everyone else.

537
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 5: Which of one of things is not like the other.

538
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: One person has zero gap between Center and Alcaraz and

539
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: the rest of the ranking. Well, zvere well, I think

540
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: there's a big gap between Center and everyone else. Right now,

541
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Speaker 2: it's quite simple. I think there's a big gap between

542
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Speaker 2: center and everyone else. I mean, he just kept saying that,

543
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: but he lumps himself in there with Alcoraz bro.

544
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Speaker 4: And what Also, as Andy Roddick's podcast Served pointed out

545
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 4: last week, Zverev is closer to Bill Ackman in the

546
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Speaker 4: ATP rankings than he.

547
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 5: Is to act to Alcarez like.

548
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 4: Zverev is closer to zero than he is Carlo's Alcaraz like.

549
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 4: That's what Also, like, hey, if you want to include Novak, who,

550
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 4: like everyone would agree, is not in his like best

551
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 4: form because he's a billion years old and still.

552
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: But he's not.

553
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 5: And he's not playing very much. They still have all

554
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Speaker 5: the slams. Where's yours?

555
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 4: Bro, Like the Master's one thousands and everyone giving him

556
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Speaker 4: this credit like he's the best player to never want

557
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 4: a slam. Yeah, and he's going to be a player

558
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Speaker 4: who never wins a slams. Best is subjective and seems

559
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 4: like but nobody else is.

560
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Speaker 2: It's like, it's like, and he's the thing. If he

561
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Speaker 2: didn't say any of you said look, I have. If

562
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Speaker 2: he had said this, my respect level for him would

563
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Speaker 2: go up. If he said look, bottom line is I'm

564
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Speaker 2: a really good player. I get to a lot of finals,

565
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Speaker 2: I get to a lot of semis. I usually be

566
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: every play, which is not the case because who did

567
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Speaker 2: he lose to.

568
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Speaker 1: The week before.

569
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Speaker 2: It's like I usually win X and Y matches, but

570
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: i've you know, the standard between Yannick and Carlos is

571
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: clearly as you can see by the points category, heads

572
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: and shoulders above me. I need to improve and figure

573
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Speaker 2: out a way to even remotely push these two guys

574
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: that I would be like, respect right, but to lump

575
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Speaker 2: himself in with Carlos al Karez, who's literally won every

576
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Speaker 2: major title all of them, or four by the age

577
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: of like twenty one, is insanity, okay, And yet this

578
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Speaker 2: guy who's not even won a Grand Slam is saying

579
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Speaker 2: that he's in that same category. Dude, what weed are

580
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: you smoking? Because I need some of it to make

581
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: me this like cocking and delusional. And on top of it, Caitlin,

582
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Speaker 2: can I add the final was so bad and not

583
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Speaker 2: he looked like a petulant child. And I know apparently

584
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Speaker 2: from what Jim Courier said, he didn't think he was

585
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent whether he was injured or what was

586
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Speaker 2: going on, But he looked like a petulant child who

587
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: was in the sandbox and had thrown all these toys

588
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: out and did not even think to dig his way

589
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: out of anything. He tanked the last few.

590
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 4: Games, and maybe he was injured, maybe he wasn't. But

591
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: the point is, this guy is courageous enough to lump

592
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Speaker 4: himself into this category of player that is baffling, but

593
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 4: he's not courageous enough to go out and try his

594
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 4: hardest in these matches that he already feels defeated in.

595
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, he's it's just like.

596
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Speaker 5: Can we get this guy? Like moving on?

597
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: Like enough with this guy.

598
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 4: If he wasn't in finals, then we would have absolutely

599
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 4: no reason to talk about him instead of making fun

600
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Speaker 4: of him, which he also obviously deserves.

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Speaker 5: I want to take a quick break.

602
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Speaker 4: We need to hear from our many many sponsors, and

603
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Speaker 4: then I want to come back because we only have

604
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Speaker 4: about fifteen minutes left and we got to get to

605
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: some really burning reader questions, So coming right back to you,

606
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 4: and then Renee, I want to come back to you

607
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Speaker 4: with some questions. All right, reader questions, let's get into it.

608
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Speaker 4: This to me was such a one sided affair. On

609
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Speaker 4: the men's side, We're gonna start with Dale's question, who

610
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Speaker 4: has what has to be one of the easiest yes,

611
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Speaker 4: is that I suspect you're ever gonna say, Dale Kerr

612
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Speaker 4: brit In from Australia.

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Speaker 5: Will Yanick win Room, will he win Llaneros? Will he

614
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Speaker 5: lose again this year?

615
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Speaker 1: I mean it's really possible he might not lose.

616
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Speaker 2: I mean, if Yanick, if Carlos Alchariz is not playing,

617
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Speaker 2: chances are Yannick might not lose a match this year.

618
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Speaker 1: And and and.

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Speaker 2: Looking at that final, he looked like he was playing

620
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Speaker 2: you know when you when you're a really great player

621
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Speaker 2: and you're going and play juniors and you know, no

622
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: matter what, you know, you're gonna not gonna lose.

623
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Speaker 1: That's what he looks like.

624
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: And he is every shot in the book now Serve

625
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: volley's are great. His touch around the net, his forehand,

626
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Speaker 2: his back, he moves, his mentality. The guy is unbelievable.

627
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Speaker 2: Person that's going to beat him this year for the

628
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: rest of the year is a guy that's not playing

629
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Speaker 2: right now, and that's Kallis auk Rez unbelievable.

630
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Speaker 4: I'm sort of hoping against hope that we get like

631
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Speaker 4: a Jack Draper back in the mix, although he's going

632
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: to be out for the next couple of weeks. Still,

633
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Speaker 4: I'm sort of hoping against hope. Like I referred to

634
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 4: earlier that my current Frenchman of du jour is, you know,

635
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: going to be able to get to the next level.

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Speaker 5: There's always Medvedev who's kind of lurking. But this feels

637
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 5: like a.

638
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Speaker 4: Little bit like throwing spaghetti at the wall. To be honest,

639
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 4: I mean, it's feels like it's the Onyx Center's game

640
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 4: to lose as opposed to you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how how pissed is Yonick that he didn't

642
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: when these stry an open because this could have been

643
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: the year that he could win all four in one year.

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Speaker 2: But but I digress doesn't matter because.

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Speaker 4: I have a question for you.

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Speaker 3: You.

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Speaker 5: I have a question for you.

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00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: Uh you refer to how much coaching, especially with regards

649
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 4: to Haley Baptiste, especially with regards to Coco. It was

650
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 4: really great to see and I know you share this

651
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 4: viewpoint that two female coaches were present for the women's final.

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Speaker 3: Men, get on it.

653
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: You know, if you want to compete with the ANC Center,

654
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Speaker 4: maybe the trick is getting a woman coach. There's a

655
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Speaker 4: little bit of a coaching change for Emma Rada Kanu.

656
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Speaker 4: As you know, I'm a big Rata Khanu fan stan.

657
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Speaker 4: I liked her form last year. This year she's obviously

658
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Speaker 4: struggle a little bit with injuries. She is back with

659
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Speaker 4: her US Open winning coach. What do you make of that?

660
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see, as I think the most difficult job

661
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Speaker 2: in the world is coaching Emma Radikanu because she has

662
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Speaker 2: a very short rope, So we'll see. I clearly think

663
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Speaker 2: it's a good idea. He did wonders for her to

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Speaker 2: win the US Open. He seems like a very chill guy.

665
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Speaker 2: Maybe he gets her better than most because he's known

666
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Speaker 2: her so long, known since a young age. And listen,

667
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Speaker 2: I know Emma personally. She's a great young woman, like

668
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Speaker 2: she's fantastically educated, great to talk to, very smart. I

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Speaker 2: think that's sometimes half the problem is that she's so smart.

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Speaker 2: She realizes half these coaches that are telling her stuff

671
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: are so stupid, and she just goes, well, that doesn't

672
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Speaker 2: make sense. But at the same time she has to

673
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Speaker 2: give someone time. But I think she knows this guy

674
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Speaker 2: so well from such a young age that I think

675
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Speaker 2: it might work for her because she'll settle into it

676
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Speaker 2: a little bit more and stop trying to pretend to

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Speaker 2: be a player that she's not. But Mark Petchi didn't

678
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Speaker 2: last long so but Mark is so busy with his

679
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Speaker 2: TV so I just think that was untenable in a

680
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Speaker 2: lot of ways. And maybe he's still sort of helping

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Speaker 2: from the side.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I haven't spoken to Patch about it, but I think

684
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Speaker 2: this is a good move from Emma, and we'll see.

685
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Speaker 2: But yes, may I just add the two women in

686
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Speaker 2: the final had two female coaches, and both of those

687
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Speaker 2: players are very dramatic, very We've seen it, We've seen Costuk,

688
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 2: we've seen Mirror. They're both very drama filled. You know,

689
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Speaker 2: they're not Rebarkina. And they have female coaches, and I

690
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: think it's because they understand how to talk to them better.

691
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Speaker 2: And you know, I think that more women should. I

692
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Speaker 2: wrote about it, I put it out on Twitter. I

693
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Speaker 2: was like, please, like, consider female coaches a little bit

694
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Speaker 2: more and give them a chance, give them a chance

695
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Speaker 2: to do it. I mean, as I've told you, Caitlin,

696
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Speaker 2: you know how many calls I've had since working with

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Speaker 2: Serena at the US Open.

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Speaker 1: One from one player.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't mind that my last coach it

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Speaker 2: was not whole Garuna, but I would definitely take that up.

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Speaker 2: But you know, when you think about it, I mean,

702
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Speaker 2: I've coached some really good players, and I feel like

703
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Speaker 2: I've done a pretty good job with all of them.

704
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Speaker 2: But it's like I've had one call from an agent

705
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Speaker 2: for one other player, and that player decided to go

706
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Speaker 2: with a man who had been fired by somebody else,

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Speaker 2: and then two months later they fired her.

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Speaker 1: It fired him. So it's like, you know, it's interesting.

709
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Speaker 2: That when you've done well as a coach and then

710
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Speaker 2: you don't get other opportunities, whereas men get opportunity after

711
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Speaker 2: opportunity opportunity. I mean, look at whim for said, I mean,

712
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: the dudes had like five different opportunities.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I just.

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Speaker 2: Think, you know, girls out there, women out there that

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Speaker 2: are playing on the tour, maybe consider a female coach

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Speaker 2: sometimes because they definitely understand you a lot better than

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Speaker 2: a man.

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Speaker 4: Okay, next question, this is from Jet Struven Stabba, Thank you,

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Speaker 4: oh God, Lena Rebaccna end her year's number one.

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Speaker 3: That's part one, and then I.

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Speaker 5: Have a follow up.

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Speaker 3: So come back to this.

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Speaker 2: I certainly think that Wimbledon will be the tell. I

724
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Speaker 2: think if she wins Wimbledon, which is my favorite to

725
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Speaker 2: win Wimbledon, I think she can end the year number one.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of times it's because she didn't quite

727
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Speaker 2: have the same points to defend as Sabolenka does throughout

728
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Speaker 2: the rest of the year. Right Sabolanka won the US Open,

729
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Speaker 2: so that's a big thing. That's two thousand points right there.

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Speaker 2: If Sabolenka doesn't win the US Open again, Sabolenka can

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Speaker 2: make up the points at Wimbledon, but so can Rebeccna.

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Speaker 2: So do I think she can end number year number one? Absolutely,

733
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Speaker 2: no doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: And what your fame seems likely, especially as we get

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Speaker 4: into the part of the year that she feels much

736
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Speaker 4: more comfortable with your views on rising stars. Zenepisomez, the

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Speaker 4: young player from Turkey, which is very fun to talk about,

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Speaker 4: Everalys from Germany, and alex Yala from the Philippines.

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Speaker 5: These are three of the.

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Speaker 4: Players that Abu jadd has identified as rising stars.

741
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Speaker 3: He'd like you discuss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, Yalla has a little bit of limitations.

743
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Speaker 2: I think all these players, the ones that you just mentioned,

744
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Speaker 2: have a little bit of limitations.

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Speaker 1: They don't.

746
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Speaker 5: They're all kind of wei.

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Speaker 3: They're not the biggest, they're teeny tiny.

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Speaker 1: They're teeny tiny.

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Speaker 2: They just I mean, and look, you know, Jasmine Paullini

750
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Speaker 2: made two Grand Slam finals and she's teeny tiny as well.

751
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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with her right now,

752
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: but she certainly has lost her way as well, Jasmine.

753
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Speaker 2: But I think they just have some limitations. They don't

754
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Speaker 2: have huge serves, they don't have big games. They look

755
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: the way that players play now, you have to have weapons.

756
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: So if they can produce winners against players that move

757
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Speaker 2: really well and then turn defense into offense a little

758
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Speaker 2: bit easier, that's where it gets a little bit harder.

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Speaker 2: You look at someone like Victoria Emboco. Now that's a

760
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Speaker 2: different story. She has huge weapons and she moves great.

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Speaker 2: So I would side on someone like Emboco to win

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Speaker 2: a Grand over those three that we just talked about.

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Speaker 4: I want to sort of speak to the idea that

764
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Speaker 4: the thing that I like about all three of those

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Speaker 4: rising stars is that they are engaging. They are great

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Speaker 4: at communicating what is fun about tennis. They are fun

767
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Speaker 4: to watch, and they are all bringing along markets. You know,

768
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Speaker 4: maybe less so in the case of Aelis, who's already

769
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Speaker 4: speaking to a German market that's fairly sophisticated about tennis

770
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Speaker 4: having had so many amazing players the Philippines and Turkey.

771
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Speaker 4: Not so much in the case of Xenopsomes and Alex Yala,

772
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Speaker 4: but they're all really great ambassadors for the game. And

773
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Speaker 4: just thinking as you were talking about answering Dale's question

774
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Speaker 4: about Janick Sinner winning the rest of the matches, if

775
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: that's true, good for him, but terrible for tennis, actually

776
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 4: absolutely horrific for the game that is supposed to be

777
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Speaker 4: about delivering a product to an audience who wants to

778
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Speaker 4: walk into a match knowing the outcome. Not me, not

779
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 4: anybody who watches tennis, And so what you're going to

780
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 4: get is a real dearth of interesting stories unless you

781
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Speaker 4: get people engaged in the many things about tennis that

782
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Speaker 4: are not outcome driven. I have said forever and why

783
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 4: I started racket ten years ago is nobody cares about

784
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 4: the discussion, or actually too many people care about the

785
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 4: discussion of how many trophies you win, how many how

786
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Speaker 4: many masters one thousands, what your ranking is, what your

787
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Speaker 4: Wikipedia stats show. I mean, I think that's a very

788
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Speaker 4: well saturated conversation. You know what else is interesting? Everything else,

789
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 4: the style, the flair, the grinders going at it on

790
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Speaker 4: court seventeen, the perspective and the viewpoint that recreational players

791
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: bring to the game. All this stuff is wide open,

792
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 4: and there's so much opportunity to talk about it, especially

793
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Speaker 4: when we're not talking only about outcomes. And so to me,

794
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Speaker 4: what I want to say about those rising stars is

795
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Speaker 4: will we see that holding a Grand Slam trophy? Maybe not,

796
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 4: But they are all, in their own ways, very excellent

797
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 4: about communicating what's fun and exciting about the tour, about

798
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 4: tennis life, and I think, frankly, the men could use

799
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Speaker 4: a whole lot more of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know me, men aren't really that interested

801
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: in that sort of stuff, are they. I mean, it's

802
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: just a fact.

803
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I you know, they just they just I

804
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just it's different, different courses for horses.

805
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: I guess women are sort of more interested in and

806
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: they feel like they have to promote themselves a little

807
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 2: bit more than the guys.

808
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: The guys just go, I don't care about that sort

809
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: of stuff.

810
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: So I don't know, but yes, I agree, I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's why Hunger Games is way more interesting than you know,

812
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: knowing that the lion is going in to the arena

813
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: against a kitten, and that's what it feels like with Sinner,

814
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: with all these other players, it's just like, well, I

815
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: wonder who's going to win this battle?

816
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I just.

817
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 4: Want to again sort of say, like the kinds of

818
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: things we do at Racket are telling stories like these,

819
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: so tours, you guys need to get very very very good,

820
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 4: much better than you are about the style, the culture,

821
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 4: the experience, all of the stuff that's around the game,

822
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Speaker 4: and not necessarily about who's at the end of the

823
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 4: two week long journament holding the trophy, because that is

824
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: really truly what the product is.

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Speaker 3: It's all of the above. It's not just the end game.

826
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Speaker 2: Because yes, did you see this atp Palms tap into

827
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Speaker 2: Tennis cultural Crossover.

828
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Speaker 1: Did you see this recently? Yeah?

829
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Speaker 4: And Nico from Palms is a good friend of mine.

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Speaker 4: He's from Copenhagen. We've played a number of times. I'm

831
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Speaker 4: not sure that's enough. And you know, releasing some ringer

832
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: tees on the tour stop is cute, but like, is

833
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 4: that meaningful? Does that address like some of the larger

834
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 4: things like not really so for me, it's it's more

835
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Speaker 4: of a holistic kind of thing rather than doing like

836
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 4: a collab here or there. But you know that's that's

837
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 4: not a bad thing. We like to see it.

838
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Speaker 5: But you need much much, much much more of it,

839
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Speaker 5: you know, which.

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Speaker 3: Is obviously what we're we're in the market to do.

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Speaker 1: Yes, any other questions from our loyal listeners.

842
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 4: I my question for you to end is the one

843
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 4: player that we are usually talking a lot about right

844
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Speaker 4: now and we haven't talked about, but she's at the

845
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Speaker 4: drast ceremony today in Rome.

846
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Speaker 5: Let's end on an Eager What is the update? What

847
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 5: can you say?

848
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 3: What do you think is going to happen?

849
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 4: And obviously if the French Open is not hers to win,

850
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 4: which who doves to say it isn't, then who's who's

851
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 4: looking good ahead of ahead of those very very important

852
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 4: kind of weeks that are ahead of us right.

853
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Speaker 1: Now on what tours.

854
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 4: I want to talk about Eager Shipiantek and the women

855
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 4: because I think we know what's going to happen on

856
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 4: the men's side.

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00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, listen, Eager has got some questions to answer,

858
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 2: that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: She loves Rome.

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Speaker 2: She has won a final there against a very good

861
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Speaker 2: player by the name of Carolina Plishkova six love, six love,

862
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: once upon a Time. And I think this is going

863
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: to be a massive emotional test for her because if

864
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: she she does not do well at this tournament, you

865
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Speaker 2: start to think how much can she handle this disappointment

866
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: of not winning and doing well on her best surface,

867
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Speaker 2: and you know, the coaching changes and the mentality and

868
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: the you know, people Daria wasn't in Madrid, how she

869
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: going to react if Daria's in Rome, and then people

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Speaker 2: are going to wonder about this and about that, and

871
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: how the new coaching is working out. And maybe it's

872
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: not the coach, maybe it's maybe it's eager, Maybe she's

873
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Speaker 2: just lost her There's so many that I feel in

874
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: some ways this week is going to be incredibly tough

875
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Speaker 2: for her because if she does not win the tournament

876
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Speaker 2: or at least make the finals and play well, I

877
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 2: think she's going to really be really stressed going into

878
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Speaker 2: the French Open. And look, we know what she did

879
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: at Wimbledon. She knows she's capable of doing that now.

880
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: But this is only going to get harder because she's

881
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: not sort of the player that goes ah. It's not

882
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Speaker 2: like a Rebukener who can have like two or three

883
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: bad weeks and just come back and just bomb, just blow.

884
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Speaker 1: Everybody out of the court.

885
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: So I think there's a lot of question marks when

886
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: it comes to Eager, certainly with Coco Saba Lenka hasn't

887
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: proven herself on the clay yet. So there's a lot

888
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: of questions to be answered going into the French Open,

889
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: the second Slam of the year, And I think the

890
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Speaker 2: biggest question is how, as you said, how is Eager

891
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: going to do going into the French Open. There's it's

892
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: a big it's a big ask. This is very different

893
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: surface than in Madrid. Madrid is a bit of altitude.

894
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: It does support big hitters like a Maskova, like a

895
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: plishkov in though Pilshkov made the finals of Rome, but

896
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: like big hitters, although sabal Anka really should have maybe

897
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: done better as well, but came into the buzz or

898
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: of Hailey Baptiste.

899
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Speaker 1: But I don't know.

900
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Speaker 2: I'm again, Hunger Games in Rome, is it going to

901
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Speaker 2: be the same? I'm I'm if they're a better place

902
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: to have the Hunger Games than Rome.

903
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Speaker 4: No, it's good it's gonna have it's going to be

904
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Speaker 4: very uh you know, bread and bread and wine for

905
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Speaker 4: the masses kind of thing. And I'm headed there this afternoon.

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Speaker 4: All right, Renee, we're.

907
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Speaker 5: Wrapping it up. Thank you. Well, look at you, look

908
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Speaker 5: at me.

909
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Speaker 2: I'll have questions that I didn't answer, But just so

910
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 2: you know, all the questions that I didn't get to answer,

911
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: will answer them on the socials.

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Speaker 1: I will write you all back. But I do appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I just want to give a quick shout out Kaitlyn

914
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Speaker 2: because I know you've got to go to Sherry Devot,

915
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Speaker 2: the first female trainer to win the Kentucky Derby.

916
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Speaker 1: I was so excited.

917
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Speaker 2: I'm a big horse fan and horse racing fan, and

918
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: I know you hate when I do this and add

919
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Speaker 2: stuff like this to the pod. But way to go, Sherry,

920
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Speaker 2: Way to go, Shari Devot, Way to go. All right, everyone,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining this week. We've got so much more

922
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Speaker 2: clay court, tennis. Caitlin will be over in Rome. Do

923
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Speaker 2: I get to talk to you over there?

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Speaker 1: Is that the plant? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

926
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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 1: Cool?

928
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Speaker 5: All right, you know how to reach we.

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Speaker 2: Well listen, mate, have a great a bunch of gelados.

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Speaker 2: Have a, have a pizza, have the best part Star.

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Speaker 1: It's the greatest place. I love giving you so much,

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Speaker 1: so enjoy it for me. Okay, jaol everybody by